High Gain MESA RECTIFIER shoot out! Road King vs REV F!
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2021
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German producer Kristian Kohle (Aborted, Powerwolf, Hämatom, Van Canto, Eskimo Callboy, Sinister) pulls out his two Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifiers to find out which one sounds more brootal!
The legendary 2 channel REV F from the 90s or the ROAD KING 2! Let's find out!
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Which Rectifier is your favorite for high gain tones? Let me know!
Rev F of course
My vote def goes to the Rev F for metal.
I also like and other recto flavor the Mesa boogie roadster
Single recto!
In your opinion, which amp sim gets the closest to your REV F? BTW your IRs are the best in the market \m/
You know shit's about to get real when he pulls his beanie up
I was expecting that comment, haha!
Ha, I thought that too!
As a general Mesa fan and a Rectifier lover...this video is awesome! Thanks for the comparison man. Great content as always!!
You got them sounding pretty close. They just nailed it with the Rev F and those Dual rectifiers in general.
Thanks so much for making this! I never thought my little comment would inspire such an incredible video like this! You’ve definitely got my sub man!
I've always preferred the sound of the Mark series amps. I also really love the Roadking. Great amp.
Anything a Rectifier can do, a Mark can do better. (Mark IIC+ and newer)
Awesome video once again! Thanks Kohle!
King surprised me really. It sounds great 👍 I really like watching /listening your videos, cheers!
Excellent comparison! Both sound great, but I am more than happy with my Roadster for when I want that type of tone, which also has an amazing clean channel, and does respectable Plexi and tweed tones too.
Oh man. This is gold.
First, I like the pure no BS of the RevF. Dry, grinding and dynamic. Very tight but no djent kitty mid quacking. Just metal. All metal.
The Roadking is more flexible but not as dry. I love how saturated vintage mode gets though. It has the recto DNA but not a copy of the RevF. Very cool.
Glad you talk about gain structure and lows and how all that effects the end tone. I could go on and on about gain structure, how simply copying an EQ curve will not work when trying to make two different amps sound alike. It really requires a knowledge of the character of gain and how adding and removing freqs pre-gain changes the sound. It's great science for sure.
I'd probably graba a RoadKing just because they're more available. In sim land I'm not the biggest recto fan. My ultimate goal when mixing is the sound, which means I avoid the Recto sims for some reason. But I love playing through them. Both sim and real life. There' something about the control of distortion when playing through a good recto sim. Strum gently and things are almost rock land. Try and gut the guitar via its strings and everything is beyond heavy. Can feel the thump of the amp in my chest which just eggs me on more to try and write something truly evil.
More of this kinda thing please. It's instructional and super fun. All my guitar friends agree. :)
Cheers!
Very informative. Thanks!
Roadking can also sound with 4 6l6 + 2el 34. So having 6 power tubes like a triple rectifier. This guarantees a devastating sound. I honestly like the sound of Roadking better, perhaps because I have recently had a multiwatt and my ears have not been used to hearing the same sound over and over for 20 years. I find the roadking sound to be fuller with more harmonics.
Agreed, after I fiddled with my road king when I owned one, it sounded better than any rectifier I ever owned by a mile. My second fav is the multiwatt, then the tremoverb and roadster.
That "Well that was fast" gave me a good laugh. I think they both sound pretty cool. I find that in general, over time Mesa amps started getting voiced darker and darker. which I think is why so many people like the earlier Mesa's cause they just have a more ballsy tone.
Same here 😂 he was like “they sound TOTALLY different” then twists one knob and 3 seconds later is like “well that was fast”. Probably more accurate to say something like a Top Hat Emplexador and a Road King sound totally different but a Recto and ch 3 & 4 on a Road King are more or less the same amp apart from features and voice tweaking. Either way, killer video. Never owned a Rev F myself but my RKII gets me as far as I want to go down that path. Also, ridiculously sick playing. Stealing some of those drop D riffs for myself :)
Great video! That's exactly the differences that I could make out between my Roadster and the old Rev F Triple (apart from the volume). Many people think the Roadster/Road King sound dull, but the sweetspots of treble/presence are just in a different spot, I usually run them at noon for the Rev F and at ~2 o'clock on the Roadster to get a similar sound.
For me, the chunky/low-mid focussed/not overly tight sound of the Road- series will always be connected to the "Train of Thought" Album by Dream Theater. It has this extremely chunky, growling but not overly aggressive rhythm sound, combined with the low tunings that JP used there.
Well done. I’m sure this will help many!!
As a rectifier lover that video was awesome! You've got them to sound pretty close. In a mix I think I wouldn't be able to hear the difference between them. But 25min is not enough... WE NEED MORE RECTIFIER! lol maybe if you get other revisions/versions like the mini recto, multiwatt etc in the studio you can shootout. Would love to get one myself but here in Brazil they cost as much as a car.
It is making me come back to my Mesa B again. 🙏 thanks
I finally got my Eminence DV-77 in the mail today. Long wait by i got it. I have your IR pack as well.
When you had the road king in Vintage mode, it had an Orange Rockerverb kind of vibe.
Not as nice sounding but still a useable. I'd be turning the gain down and use that sound for some classic rock riffs, definitely a thing for me.
Funny thing is, as I've gotten older I appreciate the Rectifier more, love the bright bitey sound it does....
"They really massage your guts" 😂😂😂😂 🙌🏻 this is really my favorite UA-cam channel 😝😝
ID LOVE TO SEE the DUAL ROADSTER 4 channel VS 2 channel. i owned both and loved them both
It's incredible how much tighter the Rev F sounds. Although the final settings on the road king sound good! Sadly I don't own any of those and they are expensive
Awesome as usual, what do you think about the Triple rectifier pretty recent compare to Rev F?
As someone who's a mesa fanboy I've found that a lot of people expect and try to use the amps knobs like they would any other amp which can cause them to sound like shit. it took me a solid 7 months to learn my own rectos sweet spot and about the same for my mark v. it has to all be done by ear(like you seem to!) and not by sight like so many demos have and ruined the sound. the EQ works like a eq band pedal does instead of a more traditional type. presence knob becomes the main controller and filter for the other knobs which adds even more tricky things to getting a good tone dialed up. love you vids as always!
Nailed it. And thank you for the quick demo of the speaker difference. Even on my phone speaker's, can hear the harmonic difference between the 2.
For me, one of the most brutal and evil tones I have ever heard was Destruction Release from Agony. How many bands in the last 35 years have been bold enough to get near that? Not many. Really goes to show what a little imagination and stepping away from convention can do.
Wow I love that Vintage mode
Both are great dude!
First thing that crossed my mind is that roadking might actually benefit from a v30 speaker. But both can sound fucking epic. But what every video on yt fails to show is the "feel" of the Amp. You know... Some make you bash the shit out of your guitar, others just want you to be precise otherwise all sort of crap is flying out of it....thats a big deal in my book. I can kind of work on tone but that "feel" thing I either like or I don't. I was surprised a couple times with some amps that sounded great but just didn't sit well with my style of playing. Or maby I am just a picky ass guitar player. Who the fuck knows😁
I agree. I love the sound of Orange Rockerverb Mk3 amps, but only when others play it. I can't bond with it while playing. It is probabily me being a crappy guitarist, though :D
@@frankscassi4960 nah bro. I am sure you are a fine guitarist. 😊 We just don't click with every Amp out there. I had the same expirience with Victory Kraken. I like how the thing sounds, I just don't like playing trough it. 🤷♂️
I would have loved to see the RK with ALL of the tubes going - four 6L6s and two EL34s... THAT is a wicked sound. I know that it's not totally fair, on one hand, as the Rev F can't do that, but on the other it is fair to compare one amp vs. another heads up, each with their strengths and weaknesses.
I am glad you made this video, I used to own the rev F in 1995. I played it with my Ibanez Destroyer w/ EMG pickups. Best sounding combination for high sustain for shredding leads. I didn't have to plug any overdrive pedals since the gain & sustain in that Rev F was already easy to shred fast licks on.Real liquidy feel under my fingers. I heard Reb Beach w/ Dokken in 97 live, same amp set up Ibanez Voyager guitar w/ EMGs. IT was WICKED SOUNDING, both rhythm and lead. I had to sell my 1995 Mesa Black Diamond face so I could buy the Road King 2 back in 2014. John Petrucci recorded with the Mesa Roadking 1 on the "Train of Thought" album and toured with it for a while. That is one of the reasons why I wanted a Road king 2 really bad.I regret selling the Rev F. I totally agree that the Rev F modern gain sounds more wicked than my Road King 2. I wanted the versatility of both progressive linkage, since I was always switching between El 34 & 6L6s. The Road King 2 doesn't seen too have the sustain like my old Rev F. I usually end up using a Tube screamer or Keely red dirt O.D. for the liquid sustain gain for the RK 2. Hopefully some day I'll buy that 2. channel Rev F version. I know Ola Englund is big fan of Mesa Rectifiers. Both Tremonti & Ola Englund mentioned their love/hate relationship with rectos as well. Thanks for the tone tips on this video, I'll do some tweaking on my Road King 2 soon!! Cheers!!
To add to that, the name shown on those recto models (SOLO HEAD) rev version meant for the 80s shredders could be a reason why that amp was meant for the mid 80s guitar solo shredders to easily play legato. That is why even Allan Holdsworth and Neal Schon owned those versions too. There are pictures of them posing with those SOLO head model recto rev. versions.
Nice video Kohle.
Would love to see Rev F vs the common rev for dual rectifier on the market. Is it rev G?
Or the Mesa triple crown for metal
Love It Chug Comparison Mesa Dual Rec Nice And Tripe Rec
Damn that Rev F is the hi gain tone I picture in my head as the tone I want. The old rectifiers are unmatched in ballsiness IMO
Really interesting Video! Would love a similar comparison between a dual and a single rectifier with typical Kohle-Qualität!
I owned a Roadster and a Road King, I bought them knowing they were voiced less aggressively than a standard Dual. They can do metal, but the sweet spot is different. The difference is by design,
Cool video !!! It would be really interesting to compare the most common 3 channel dual recro with your old one …. To see if they can sounds close …see you soon Man 😃
would've been interesting to see how much of a difference there was between the 2 in a mix....i preferred the Road King once you dialed it in, i prefer a smoother distortion & obviously more bells & whistles make it more usable for me in a live setting...another great video once again!
After going back and forth between monitors and headphones there is a clear winner for me: the DV 77.
Seriously great speaker. Even sounds great with presence all the way cranked.
I told you so! Haha!
Only the Rev F! I'm also waiting for the "I've never used the Clean channel" t-shirt too. lol
That should be Kristians' brand!
I really enjoyed the comparison Kristian - thanks. I'd be very curious to know how the 2 channel lunchbox stacks up to the Rev F. For a lot less money (and WAY less kg), can it hold it's own against either?
It's kind of amazing how much the black album production gave to the world
The Tube screamer just deletes the lower frequencies so you loose the bottom end. If you use the Gibson MIII pickups and electronics you don't need a POS stomp box and you get tight low definition at high gain. F pedals.
Great video as ussual ))) Love this channel.
Have you ever tried (sure you have) such amps as Randall Satan and Mesa Mark
What's your opinion?
Never tried the Satan.
Mark IV is a great amp. Haven't used it for a while though. Maybe it's time to find one again.
That Satan is 1 of the most ballsy amps ever made. It was originally the Fortin Satan. You should check it out 🤘 metal af.
You’ve come back pretty quickly Kohle. Well done 👍 did not watch it til the end yet but I’m sure it will be proper done 😋
Alright.
I see/ hear what’s going on I think. There is nothing magic in Rev f that couldn’t be easily replicated closely enough by the monster as rkII is. No gummy berries juice.
Thanks 👍
So, with the 6L6s on the RK you can get the rev F sound with the necessary tweaking. It's not really a case of which one is better (cause both are great) but what sits better in the mix.
the Dual have that metallic and percussive bite the roadking don't seem to do as well, I'd still be happy with with a Roadking though! Very close!
I'm probably a minority here in that I love the 2nd channel of the 3-channel Recto set to "vintage" with tube rectification and bold setting.
Vintage allows you to dial in the midrange while the tube rectification provides a heavier feel. That's not to say that the earlier revisions don't sound great.
I play metal primarily and use a Mark III or IV if I need something tighter than a recto.
Cool comparison. You got some great tones out of the amps. Personally, I still prefer my multi-watt Triple Rec. Just wondering - do you use the older 70 or newer 60 Watt Mesa Vintage30s' ?
I'm using a DV-77 in the video.
When I switch to the V30s that's a cab from 2002.
thanks for posting. Just wondering how would RK2 sound with V30 or Black Shadow 8:56. Wouldn't that be fairer comparison
I think that the dual rectifier multiwatt reborn sounds the same or very close to the rev F.......I think that the multiwatt is the best choice.
Maybe interesting to pan them 1 left and 1 right.
Is the guitar sound corresponding to the room sound, or the mic from the amp ?
To be honest I had a rev f but found I like the new triple with multi watt over the F so I sold it. I do have a roadster which I tend to use even more than the triple.
If my memory serves me right, the raw mode on the 3 channel and RK models is basically the same as the "clean" mode on the old rev f and g models. Also the V30 makes it sound like more gain from the extra high end, or at least to me it does.
The road king sounds like a modern version of rev F with more saturate distortion and tone, but the rev F sounds like more bark for the rhythm
Please do with Tremoverb next. Rarely seen it on the youtube
Or rev F vs whatever rev which is common on the new market lol
i actually like the road king but i gravitate to darker tones cause im not playing metal all the time but both amps sound great
I would like to hear the V 30 and the DV 77 mixed together with the Rectifier.
A cool addition for your Rectifier series would be to test the new Amped Dual plugin by ML Sound Lab against the real thing!
I have a rev C+ 3 channel solo head that I would love to A/B with a rev F. I'm interested to see the gradations between the 2 and 3 channel heads.
I want them both
Have you compared Helix simulation of Rectifier? I've heard it's revision E, but I want to see your opinion about how good is their model of rectifier?
"Massage your guts" 😂😂😂
Excellent video 😁
In your opinion, which amp sim gets the closest to your REV F? BTW your IRs are the best in the market \m/
Consider trying the vintage mode in your rev f.
I love this Rectifier focus series. The Rev F IMO, was a clear winner. It felt like the RK was trying to catch up to the F’s balls. Interested to see a shootout between the F and a modern 3-Channel Triple Rec!
Multi Watt Dual and Triple Recs nail the Rev F sound spot on. The Multi Watts are probably the best rectos Mesa has made since the old 2 channel ones.
@@bucknasty69 I’d like to think so. I purchased a Triple Rec last year, for the studio I run. Love listening to it with a Fortin 33 in front.
@@georgepelekoudis Multi Watt Triple Recs are gnarly. I'm gonna get one whenever Mesa catches up on production. I've never tried the Fortin 33 but I've heard good things about it. I bet it sounds killer with your Triple!
@@bucknasty69 I believe it was the last Pre-Gibson Rectifier in Montreal. They’ve been back ordered since. It’s a bit of a drag because the music store had the head paired with a Mesa Traditional OS 4x12. It still sounds amazing, but I would’ve preferred a Standard Oversized, which is the one to have. We’ll both have to wait ‘till Mesa catches up with production :)
REV-F ALL DAY!!! Great video Kohle! Thank you!
Another Awesome Video! Pleeeease review/talk about the forgotten underrated TREMOVERB!
sure...if I can get my hands on one!
@@KohleAudioKult Jeez, If I could send my from Japan I would lend you in a heart-beat! (I wonder if it's possible)I truly appreciate all your work.
Drink every time Kristian says "raw and punishing"! :D
Seems like Fluff really stirred things up when he sd the newer Multiwatt Rectifiers can sound like the Rev F. Are you able to snag a multi watt Recto?
Sooner or later someone will bring one to the studio!
What’s your opinions on the Mesa Mark II, III, IV, and V?
God damn it you got me over here wanting to buy another roadster head again. It was the best amp I ever had and I always maintained that opinion….
nice vid .. would you review pickup next time ?? thx
I'd love to. It's just not so easy to A/B pickups.
The RK sounds darker but more versatile, more EQ range. Curious for a comparison between old 2ch rectos and new multi watt rectos or badlander
On the roadking, which channel and mode were you using? Channel 3 and channel 4 are voiced differently and also eq differently. There's a good bit of info in the manual about the differences between the two. I own the roadking 2 and couldn't be happier with it. Incredibly versatile amp. All 4 channels are totally usable just depends on what your going for.
It was channel 4 which was the closest
I demoed a Road King (probably a 1, not a 2) in a Mesa Boogie store; and decided I liked the sound better with EL34's AND 6L6's active best. I think it'd be really helpful to compare the Road King in a mix with drums and bass (maybe even a vocalist that doesn't do the demon voice the whole time), with EL34's, 6L6's and especially with both active. Otherwise, it's hard to tell how well it cuts through. Great comparison, tho. Oddly enough, it seemed the Road King with 6L6's sounded most like the Dual Rec with EL34's!
Rev F all the way. I had one for years until I blew it up and sold it. A friend of mine still owns it I believe. Just discovered your channel recently, I dig it 🤟🏻.
Also, for the Road King II, try moving the tone knob on the tube screamer all the way to the right, turn the gain on the amp down by one or two, and turn the gain on the tube screamer up to 9 or 10 o'clock. Normally, I put the tone at somewhere between 1 and 3 o'clock for a 6505 or 6534+ or Soldano, or whatever have you. For a JCM 900, for an Orange amp, or for anything that tends to be overly dark and loose on the bottom, I crank the tone knob, lower the gain on the amp, and then raise the gain slightly on the OD pedal. In my experience, this helps with amps that have a flubby low end, or sound too dark, especially if you like to retain the lower frequency information in the signal like the Road King II has, and not have to turn the bass all the way down.
You have to be careful with the tone lob.
Anything above 9 o’clock usually adds a lot of hiss.
@@KohleAudioKult especially with brighter amps, or ones prone to getting hissy or fizzy, yeah. there are other tube screamer equivalent od pedals. I generally prefer 4558 chip types, blues driver, dumble drive, or clon type over the other ibanez or boss od-1. also, noise gates help, l lot lol.
Hey there Kristian. Will you consider releasing a Kemper Profiler tone pack? That Dual Rectifier Rev F sounds killer. Couldn't find anywhere profiles of that amp to sound like yours. Cheers!!
One day for sure! Not planned right now! Many other cool things coming though.
Honestly the Roadking is easily the best rectifier. It sounds much better than any revision in my opinion. Owning just about every version, it takes a bit to dial in the road king when you're used to the reg dual recs as they are darker and have more midrange. But once you do it's incredible and they sound better through a roadking cab as well. The reason they never got popular is because they weigh a hundred dam pounds.
I feel like road king would sound really good for bass guitar on the settings with more lower mids if you use a 15" speaker
How would older non-multiwatt Road King II compare to Rev-F?
I would choose the "Rect-O-Verb" from 2004. With the big 4x12".
I had a friend who owned a recording studio. He kept a Road King 2 as one of his House Amps. There were a lot of guys who came in with various Rectifiers, the Reborn, Rev-G, modern 3 channel ones etc, and we were always able to dial in the Road King 2 to sound close to identical within 99%. Obviously not 100%. But if I ever got another Recto, it would be a Road King 2. Cover all my bases.
Kohlekeller Studio, I just purchased a Fernandes Ravelle with a Spalted maple top and Emg pickups as well just because I saw your videos playing them. Never even knew these guitars existed but I'm glad I own one now and hopefully it sounds and feels great. The guitar needs a great setup coming from 🇬🇧 to 🇺🇸. Cheers 🍻
Great guitar! Good choice!
Most of the time I play the black baritone version though.
@@KohleAudioKult I've noticed in one your videos you're playing a fernandes ravelle spalted maple top guitar. The same guitar I have 👍🏿. My man if you don't mind me asking you this question. What are your measurements height on your emg pickups from the low E and high E on the bridge pickup and the same for your neck pickup as well? I'm so sorry for the inconvenience but I love the tone of your guitar and I've never played a guitar with emg pickups before. Thanks so much.
Best way to get my 3 channel dual to sound like the rev F?
what cables compagny you used ?
Can you compare the multiwatt to rev f?
Try a Boss EQ 200, I cut the lows before the pre amp and cut highs to taste after the pre amp, also I can clean boost either or both ends and I don't color the sound as much as with the screamer. This pedal is incredibly versatile.
I agree that EQs can be cleaner. A Tube Screamer is perfect for a Recto though.
I used one of those with my road king, great pedal and gave me a lot of variety in tone
@@ChaddSullivan I don't think most realize what this one pedal is capable of! It never leaves my pedal board.
I feel like the road king probably plays a lot better with the v30 than the dv77. That high-end rattle as you call it might do better with the darker amp.
what r the differences between road king version one verses version 2?
can i just say, maybe the v30's would get the road king a little closer. add some brightness and mids shift. cool video to be able to hear the different speakers and amps
The presence knob is a power amp section thing, no preamp. Along with resonance, they function by adding negative feedback from the output transformer into the phase inverter. They alter the treble and bass response of the power amp, I suppose you could say. By adding presence, you're reducing the negative feedback in the power amp and 'fooling' the power amp into thinking there is too little treble in the output so the treble response increases. Negative feedback is to make the power amp operate more linear, reducing it by bleeding off high or low frequencies being injected back into the phase inverter alters this :)
Dual recs in modern mode don't use NFB. The presence controll is actually different (RC filter hooked up to the wiper of the treble pot) and wired in the preamp for this mode. Vintage mode has NFB and a traditional presence controll.
Please share booster pedal settings.
@Kohlekeller Studios How important is post production for you? Like, do you try and get the guitars as eq'd as perfectly as possible before you start recording, or do you rely more on the post-production eq'ing of them afterwards?
I’m trying to get the tones right at the source.
I did a full course about that.
Check the video description!
I have a RK2 and never knew how badly I needed a TS until I watched your demo. Is there a particular screamer you like?
Any TS will do the job more or less.
What I use is the standard TS9.
Now do the Mini. It's a cool little amp that I've read a lot of people are making use of in the studio. Also, I remain in the TS hater column. There are a lot of pedals that do the job better than the awful, nasal TS thing. This past couple of weeks I've been combining a pretty raw Mark tone (or slight boost with no EQ) with a Strymon Compadre in the Treble mode (no clipping) into a Recto for a nice balanced tone between the low thump of the Mark and the bite of the treble driven Recto.
I love you man
Christian, there is some high pitched resonance happening after the palm mutes. Really interesting as I remember a quite similar resonance on the heavy guitars in one of the alt. metal demo songs for Samplitude ("Pick and Choose" by Okda). At the beginning and then again at 12:25 min. and on.
Sounds like the strings ringing behind the nut to me
@@drmoshie Oh, yeah, could be. Sometimes I find (hear) such ringing in many pro-records as well.
@@drmoshie But your suggestion may not be the main reason, as Christian definitely mutes the strings with his left hand. Who knows...
Let's hope he will notice and take note. Maybe find the reason and give some explanation and maybe solution to solve such artefacts.
I prefer the sound of a Rectifier with EL34 power tubes, but any Recto is a good Recto. Very brutal tone.
I like dark sound though. I find the sag make it easier to get soft lead tone. YMVV
Would love to hear a multi watt recto vs rev f
Me too, haha!