Honestly, the crew of a Japanese light cruiser sticking to their guns and fighting to the last shell even after the entire task force is gone and their ship is dead in the water sounds exactly like something the Imperial Japanese Navy would do. Really cool to see things like that (Even if it was just a AI being kind of unrealistic)
Litterally if you look at almost all major engagements after Midway. The IJN ran away and disengaged once they started taking damage, and squandered a lot of possible victories. It's exactly the opposite of what they would do.
It sounds exactly like something the IJN would _claim_ to do. WWII Japanese propaganda was big into playing up their ethnic "warrior spirit" or whatever, contrasted with the soft, lazy Americans and their (checks notes) overwhelming economic, technological, and numerical superiority.
@@imjashingyou3461 You still get the leadership coming up with and ordering those kinds of mindless suicide missions. But the people carrying them out go "oh shit, we're getting wrecked, run" instead of "fight to the death for the emperor" when the latter actually becomes an option.
@@dylandarnell3657 This wasn't the case with the first night attack at Guadalcanal. The Japanese task force could have caused major damage to the transports unloading supplies. But, I guess they used most of their ammunition on the surface units. They also weren't aware that most of the US airpower had left the area.
That and never overestimate the armour of a CA with 8 main guns built to fit a 10,000 ton limitation. Those 14cm guns on the Nagara were more than enough to punch through that paper-thin armour of hers.
For the next time you have enemy vessels dead in the water, take in mind British CA also have torpedo armament, so if, like in this battle Exeter, you have a British CA in close position, just have them launch their fish to finish the crippled Japs.
I have noticed that the enemy commander in ship battles always targets the closest ship. Always. Therefore, what one must do is place one or two destroyers in front of the battle line, at full speed and with evasive maneuvers and smoke. When the first destroyer takes damage, have it peel off and the second destroyer then takes the lead, with smoke and maneuvers. All this while the main battle line comes within range and begins to zero in their firing arcs. While it may result in some losses, this is the most effective way to deal with larger enemy ships without placing your own important damage dealers in jeopardy.
I agree with this tactic. You have to remember destroyers have battleship destroying torpedoes so they can't be ignored. The thing is also a destroyer gets seen off pretty easily as all it takes is receiving a salvo from a larger ship and it is severely damaged and is on life support.
"Mogami's kinda scary." Only time in history that phrase has ever been said... I would also mention that Exeter performed about a well in this battle as she did at the Java sea historically. For what was meant to be perhaps the most capable ship that ABDACOM had, She ended up being crippled right at the start, retreating and being sunk a couple of days later. The story of De Ruyter, Java, Houston and Perth is one of the saddest naval stories of the war IMO. Some really nice ships with good wartime careers all lost in a matter of days...
You might wanna micro you DCs some. A few times where your DC parties were repairing a compartment that was just damage but wasn't flooded, on fire, or disabled while other compartments were burning or flooding but had no DC there. May be good to manually assign those parties to the hire priorities of stopping fires or flooding before those can spread
Man Wolfpack this was a movie worthy episode! the tension in this campaign is thick enough to sail on. every ship is critical to the outcome. it feels so much different than the Guadalcanal experience on War on the Sea.
NOT FOR PUBLIC USE. Material losses in Dutch East Indies Theater February 1st -8th 1942. Allied: 11 Hudson bombers 2 Buffalo Fighters 9 Hurricane Fighters 2 Curtiss H75A7 fighters 3 Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers 13 M139W1 level bombers 5 FK.T4/FK.T4A torpedo bomber float planes FK.C11W float plane Japanese: 21 Mitsubishi A6M "Zero" fighters claimed 4 Nakajima Ki-27 "Nate" fighters claimed 18 Mitsubishi G4M "Betty" medium bomber claimed (+4) 2 Submarines of unknown type 1 Kamikaze class Destroyer (New) 1 Minekaze class Destroyer (New) 1 Nagara class Light Cruiser (New) 1 Tone class Heavy Cruiser 1 Mogami Class Heavy Cruiser (New) 1 troop/cargo carrier Route to War Office London, US Department of War Washington DC. Any mistakes are to be reported please. Also please do not identify the submarines.
LOVE this - Thank you for the excellent (and realistically-written) casualty list! Is there any way to get more info on which particular ships were sunk, like is sometimes possible in Cold Waters with hull numbers and such?
The London class cruiser of which Exeter was one of, were an attempt by the Brits to get long range, 203mm armament and high speed all under the tonnage allowed by the Washington Naval Treaty. To do this they skimped on armor. London's barely had 3 inches of armor over their machinery and magazine spaces, they aren't unique in this aspect most of the 'treaty cruisers' had thin armor belts, the Pensacola class in particular were originally classified as light cruisers due to their thin skin. The Nagara class of light cruiser was around 6,000 tons and had a belt of around 2 inches over its machinery and magazines. Those magazines fed 7x1 140mm guns (about 5.5 inch). They had a rather high rate of fire as you found out the hard way. The bigger punch from the Nagara were the type 93 torpedoes they carried, 8 launchers in total in four twin mountings. So, my advice? Sling HE at light cruisers from your big guns, at the ranges you generally engage at it can do some nasty work. AP for 6" and smaller.
The way HMS Exeter was hammered reminds me of the battle of river plate movie, I kept hearing in my head the captain bell line "request permission revised list of spares".
I love the difficulty on this campaign. You make such fun videos to watch. Thank you so much for making this series im going to watch it then move on to your new Japanese campaign .Great work
2 important things to keep in mind... -Your capital ship secondary guns, and your destroyer main guns (if dual-purpose) will automatically engage enemy planes, even if they are only spotter planes, and once that plane is gone, your guns reset and don`t fire, even if they were originally designated to fire at ships. At start of engagement, you need to turn AA off...your machine guns will still fire at planes. You need to have weight-of-fire at ships. - If your ship has a fire on board, you need to monitor the damage teams, as they don`t always go to where the fires are, and fire is probably the biggest threat. Your burning ship at the end, I noticed your damage teams working on non-critical areas, but you had fires in critical sections not being attended to.
Lieutenant(j.g.) Farris Lee onboard USS Houston (CA-30) February 8th 1942 1128: USS Paul Rones and USS Whipple were attacked by a formation of 6 Betty Bombers, they managed to evade the Torpedoes and shoot down 4 of them. I fail to comprehend the reason the Japanese decided to attack 2 lone escort vessels with bombers when we have a much bigger and more potent task force in the area... 1522: Task Force A engaged the enemy cruiser squadron covered by Air Combat. This was the first Sea Battle since the start of the war. Enemy planes tried to level bomb some of our ships but they all missed and we continued on. The enemy had a Mogami class Heavy Cruiser, a Nagara class Light Cruiser and 2 Destroyers. Exeter lost both magazines and stopped firing by 1526. By 1529 Exeter left our formation because whe was on Fire and Hobart and Houston managed to cross the T. By 1531 I noticed Exeter started firing again and our 3 Cruisers engaged the Mogami. Continuing the fight, at 1537 we noticed Torpedos and turned to avoid with Hobart and Electra narrowly missing a collision. Vampire took multiple hits and had to retire with heavy damage. Hobart took hits from the Nagara. Kamikaze sank at 1540. Mogami in her death throes launched torpedoes but 3 minutes later she went down. Houston and Exeter Obliterated a Minekaze which charged us and Hobart while on fire still supported Exeter and Houston by firing on the Destroyer. Exeter took a suprising amount of a beating from the crippled Nagara developing a noticable list. We cut in front of her to take damage from the Nagara... By 1557, the Valiant Nagara finally went down. We were forced to stay in the area as Exeter, Hobart, Electa, Thanet and Encounter had taken substantial damage with only Houston and Electa capable of fighting. While we managed to sink the entire enemy task force, it seemed like a phyrric victory. We have long days ahead of us as I anticipate that USS Houston will be the sole capital combatant in the Dutch East Indies for quite a while...
Professor Eric Michaels United States Naval History Museum, Honolulu Hawaii September 4th 2023 This is perhaps the first account recorded of the suicidal fanaticism for Wich Japanese forces would quickly be known. The Mikuma's final attempt to attack the fleet with her last remaining weapon, her torpedoes instead of having her crew abandon the rapidly sinking ship shows just the shear level of effectiveness the Japanese indoctrination had on it's crews. However most glaring of all is the shear level of damage the Isazu and her crew were able to sustain while still fighting, famously her deck was entirely engulfed in a conflagration, a massive Firestorm that would consume all and yet her gun crews keep loading their guns and firing as they burned to death, they never stopped, and the Exeter and Hobart paid the price.
Damn Battlestations Midway soundtrack this time - really fun game (altho quite arcade'ish) remember playing it as a kid, quite good ost. And obviously a great and exciting episode! Quite a cliffhanger tho :)
Wolfpack, love the series. I’m reasonably sure fires are way harder to get under control if you’re flying through the water. When I’ve got fires I disengage if I can , lay smoke, and pull way back on the throttle. That may help.
I am glad that it became more difficult to fight the enemy. When you played the larger campaigns, it was almost too easy to wipe out enemy battle groups.
I have seen this adventure. And although a heavy cruiser, light cruiser, and two destroyers have been sunk. You only have, at best - perhaps 19 command points and Hobart and Exeter have taken a pounding. - your main gun line has been diminished. Even if Exeter remains afloat - she will have to undertake the long voyage back to Australia, to the nearest dockyard to undergo repairs. And thus release her points for another, replacement heavy hitter in the Heavy Cruiser category. You might consider HMS Dorsetshire. She has 10 inch guns in three turrets. And sister ship to HMS Devonshire. Failing that, HMS Birmingham, another 8" Heavy Cruiser - might be a good idea. HMAS Hobart was also badly damaged and will have to return to Australia. With those points released from the Light cruiser. You might consider HMNZS Achilles. A second veteran ship of the River Plate Incident in the hunt of the German Pocket Battleship Graf Spee! With whatever is left - you might be able to afford a frieghter to convey supplies and another US four stacker destroyer of the Paul Jones and Whipple class. You will have to support the remaining ports after Panang and Singapore. Your strategy of withdrawal of the troops back to one of the other islands in the DEI is sound. Troops on the replacement light cruiser and the Destroyer and supplies on the frieghter is logical. Either way! If Exeter sinks - or returns to Australia for repairs ! You are still going to lose her. In reality, in this same area. HMS Exeter was sunk. You were lucky up until now, to retain these ships - Hobart as well. Was badly knocked about. And similarly requires major dockyard repairs. As said. You will have to replace these ships and possibly two destroyers will also have to go back. The more points released you have. You can replace some of the fighting warships. But you will have to also supply the bases and that means it's time for getting some merchant vessels as well. Whipple and Paul Jones will replace the two destroyers damaged badly in this chapter of the story. I suspect that you'll tip just over 40 command points. You've four holes in Task Force A. These holes will have to be filled. And urgently so. And so do your plan for building up supplies with a frieghter. One of the C3 might be a good idea. So slightly better than 40 points released might just achieve both objective.
@@smc1942 I stand corrected. I thought that it had a better punch than that. Still - aside from that gaffe - I'm generally not incorrect.. there must have been some cruisers with 10" guns. Few in number those would be! I would have thought those did exist.
@@stephenfarthing3819; No. There are _none_ with 10" guns. The Scharnhorst had 11" (280mm). The Alaskas had 12" (305mm). As did Arkansas. But these were battleships, in fact if not name. (The Navy called the Alaska a "large cruiser". But her designation was "CB", which would suggest Cruiser, Battle. None saw action until 1945.) The Naval Treaties of the time limited Cruisers guns to 8" for heavy cruisers, and 6.1" (155mm) for light cruisers. Most had 6" (152mm), and the Atlantas had 5" (127mm). Several Japanese light cruisers, like the Nagara class in this video, had 5.5" (140mm) guns. Also, _Birmingham_ was a Town class cruiser with twelve 6" (152mm) guns in 4 triple gun turrets. Do a Google search to confirm, if you wish. I'm in my mid-50's, and a History major. WW2 is of special interest/importance to me. I had family in every theater of the war. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, just keeping the record strait.
@@smc1942 I have a single word for that. Disappointed. I guess that the two cruisers were reconfigured with 8" due to those stipulations after all. Oh well I will have to accept this interpretation after all - no harm to being somewhat disappointed. A pity, if these Cruisers with 10 Inch had existed. They would have been very useful. Saddened that 8' was the limit.
@@stephenfarthing3819 " They were _not_ "reconfigured". They were _never built._ This is _not_ an "interpretation", it's fact. I don't understand why you cannot admit you were wrong, learn from it, and move on. Don't twist words and definitions. Learning is how we grow, and we learn more from our mistakes than our successes. History is what it is, not what you want it to be. So is life. _Accept, Learn and Grow._ To hold on to misguided notions is nothing more than stubborn Pride; which is the first of the Seven Deadly Sins for good reason. I would be glad to recommend some books on the subject, if you're interested. I believe you are. Let me know. For starters, James Hornfischer's book "Ship of Ghosts". It's a history of the USS HOUSTON (CA-30). Her loss in this Campaign, and the story of her survivors. It's excellent.
not sure if wolfpack added the music in himself or if its part of the mod but its from battlestations pacific nice nostalgic touch used to play that game all day on my xbox 360
Hey Wolf, just a thought. When you have an enemy ship that goes dead in the water, immediately switch to narrow patterns and manually fire directly on top of it. Massive direct damage as long as it stays still, just need to remember to turn it off when the ship starts moving again or is dead.
Exeter, being British, appears to have suffered from cutting costs on armor. Despite being a CA, 5.5" guns could make work of her with only 3" belt and 1" turrets.
I just finished a mod for Abdacom that re-adds all the vanilla WotS ships plus the British ships from TTE (QE-class battleship, Town-class cruiser, etc) if you're interested.
I’ve been keeping up with this series, and have watched the Cold Waters US 1984 campaign, US War On The Sea Campaign, and am watching the Cold Waters Soviet campaign. It is now I noticed that I wasn’t subscribed. I’ll fix that, keep up with the great and interesting content!
The two Clemson Class Destroyers are likely to replace two of your damaged Destroyers which will have to return back to Australia for repairs with the two damaged Cruisers.
Always enjoy your videos. You do know you can reprioritize damage control to focus on fires instead of minor damage yes? I always try to put out fires first, then flooding, then structure damage.
Damn those balls on that Minekaze trying to do a desperate torpedo run, and that Nagara keeping afloat and fighting on pure spite alone. Also, on the use of subs on your part, I think we can forgive it if you limit yourself to dutch subs (as historically they were VERY agressive, and sunk more ships on the first two weeks than the US and british fleets combined), and the Surcouf of course, you cant just not use the Surcouf and do some surface engagements for the LULZs.
No, Exeter is part of the "cheaper alternative" CA class. Also, the only thing separating the classes "light cruiser" and "heavy cruiser" is their main guns, according the Washington Naval Treaty.
@@adamtruong1759 To add to this, she's basically 3/4 of a County class heavy cruiser, except she actually has belt armour (the Counties were fitted 'for but not with' belt armour to stay within the treaty limits on displacement, some of them were retrofitted with it later).
@@lancsladgaming7146 ; Some light cruisers had more armor than some heavy cruisers... The Brooklyn class had more armor than the Pensacola, Northampton and Portland classes!
When I used to play this game I loved it...except for the fact I would get 104 ship kills to the enemies two. Then a buddy pointed out a cruiser is the same size as the carrier next to it... maybe Task Force Adm. will avoid these mistakes?
Nooooo....how could you end it there??? This feels like an episode of Batman! To see the fate of the Exeter, tune in next week! Same bat-time, same bat-channel!
It was still a good trade. You lost 1 cruiser for 1 heavy 1 light 4 Betty bombers and a pair of DDs. Point is you crippled them far worse then they gave you. My suggestion would be send Exeter back to Australia for repairs and see if you can’t get another Pensacola class light cruiser. The Pensacola class has 8 inch guns and a better radar then the IJN. Try to outrange them and pick the big boys off ( those big cruisers will be very tough to replace)
I don't get the point of counter-flooding in this game. I experimented with it early on, and only discovered that I would make the flooding worse and end up sinking an otherwise salvageable ship. From then on, I only used the counter-flooding system to scuttle ships.
Maybe not but a Mogami class heavy cruiser will be a tough blow to the IJN and will be tough to replace. Sure loosing the Exeter hurts but I would replace her with another Pensacola class USN cruiser for those big 8 inch guns
I'd like to point out, Two Clemson Class shot down 4 Betties with .50 cal HMGs, those guys need medals!
One thing the game can’t factor in is the mind-set of “veterans” in “flying cigars” versus desperate “newbies” on rusty tin cans with peashooters…
@@nostrildamusmctavish5542 Yeah. Given the generally lackluster AI torpedo usage I'd rather see it programmed to load the betties up with bombs.
I agree with medals, Bronze stars at least.
"That's for Cavite you SOBs"!
You really gotta appreciate the Betties coming by to provide free gunnery training for them
very generous
Honestly, the crew of a Japanese light cruiser sticking to their guns and fighting to the last shell even after the entire task force is gone and their ship is dead in the water sounds exactly like something the Imperial Japanese Navy would do. Really cool to see things like that (Even if it was just a AI being kind of unrealistic)
Litterally if you look at almost all major engagements after Midway. The IJN ran away and disengaged once they started taking damage, and squandered a lot of possible victories.
It's exactly the opposite of what they would do.
Magazine won't blow up if it's empty lol
It sounds exactly like something the IJN would _claim_ to do. WWII Japanese propaganda was big into playing up their ethnic "warrior spirit" or whatever, contrasted with the soft, lazy Americans and their (checks notes) overwhelming economic, technological, and numerical superiority.
@@imjashingyou3461 You still get the leadership coming up with and ordering those kinds of mindless suicide missions. But the people carrying them out go "oh shit, we're getting wrecked, run" instead of "fight to the death for the emperor" when the latter actually becomes an option.
@@dylandarnell3657 This wasn't the case with the first night attack at Guadalcanal. The Japanese task force could have caused major damage to the transports unloading supplies. But, I guess they used most of their ammunition on the surface units. They also weren't aware that most of the US airpower had left the area.
Damn, that Battlestations Midway soundtrack does bring a tear to my eye
I think it’s actually Battlestations Pacific but I’m not completely sure. Either way I’m quite glad to see a fellow enthusiast here!
Got I was just watching this and I recognized the music but I couldn’t put my finger on it
@@Johno-1340 yeah it’s both games
Played midway yesterday lol. 😂
Dude I was thinking about that, I miss that game so much😭😭😭, we need a revival
That Nagara taught you a valuable lesson;
A cornered animal will fight the hardest.
When your enemy thinks you weakest, strike swiftly. - Sun Tzu.
That and never overestimate the armour of a CA with 8 main guns built to fit a 10,000 ton limitation. Those 14cm guns on the Nagara were more than enough to punch through that paper-thin armour of hers.
For the next time you have enemy vessels dead in the water, take in mind British CA also have torpedo armament, so if, like in this battle Exeter, you have a British CA in close position, just have them launch their fish to finish the crippled Japs.
I have noticed that the enemy commander in ship battles always targets the closest ship. Always. Therefore, what one must do is place one or two destroyers in front of the battle line, at full speed and with evasive maneuvers and smoke. When the first destroyer takes damage, have it peel off and the second destroyer then takes the lead, with smoke and maneuvers. All this while the main battle line comes within range and begins to zero in their firing arcs. While it may result in some losses, this is the most effective way to deal with larger enemy ships without placing your own important damage dealers in jeopardy.
True thing!
I can understand why some might do that. It just feels too gamey to me. Like Sticking your army in a corner in an RTS so you can't get flanked.
Cheese
I agree with this tactic. You have to remember destroyers have battleship destroying torpedoes so they can't be ignored. The thing is also a destroyer gets seen off pretty easily as all it takes is receiving a salvo from a larger ship and it is severely damaged and is on life support.
@@robertmastrud8124 Ugh yeah that's super gamey. They need to tweek that AI.
"Mogami's kinda scary."
Only time in history that phrase has ever been said...
I would also mention that Exeter performed about a well in this battle as she did at the Java sea historically. For what was meant to be perhaps the most capable ship that ABDACOM had, She ended up being crippled right at the start, retreating and being sunk a couple of days later.
The story of De Ruyter, Java, Houston and Perth is one of the saddest naval stories of the war IMO. Some really nice ships with good wartime careers all lost in a matter of days...
You might wanna micro you DCs some. A few times where your DC parties were repairing a compartment that was just damage but wasn't flooded, on fire, or disabled while other compartments were burning or flooding but had no DC there. May be good to manually assign those parties to the hire priorities of stopping fires or flooding before those can spread
I always manually assign DCs while there are fires then flooding on board. Anything else can wait. If you have to, extend the range and come back.
Also sailing at flank speed whilst on fire is how you get bigger fires.
Damn. That Nagara did the most damage to your task force!💥💥🔥🔥🔥
Man Wolfpack this was a movie worthy episode!
the tension in this campaign is thick enough to sail on. every ship is critical to the outcome. it feels so much different than the Guadalcanal experience on War on the Sea.
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Material losses in Dutch East Indies Theater February 1st -8th 1942.
Allied:
11 Hudson bombers
2 Buffalo Fighters
9 Hurricane Fighters
2 Curtiss H75A7 fighters
3 Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers
13 M139W1 level bombers
5 FK.T4/FK.T4A torpedo bomber float planes
FK.C11W float plane
Japanese:
21 Mitsubishi A6M "Zero" fighters claimed
4 Nakajima Ki-27 "Nate" fighters claimed
18 Mitsubishi G4M "Betty" medium bomber claimed (+4)
2 Submarines of unknown type
1 Kamikaze class Destroyer (New)
1 Minekaze class Destroyer (New)
1 Nagara class Light Cruiser (New)
1 Tone class Heavy Cruiser
1 Mogami Class Heavy Cruiser (New)
1 troop/cargo carrier
Route to War Office London, US Department of War Washington DC.
Any mistakes are to be reported please. Also please do not identify the submarines.
LOVE this - Thank you for the excellent (and realistically-written) casualty list! Is there any way to get more info on which particular ships were sunk, like is sometimes possible in Cold Waters with hull numbers and such?
@@thisherehandleIdospout There's an Enemy Losses tab that will allow you to see exactly which ships were sunk.
@@thisherehandleIdospout I would have to wait for the code breakers to figure that out
The London class cruiser of which Exeter was one of, were an attempt by the Brits to get long range, 203mm armament and high speed all under the tonnage allowed by the Washington Naval Treaty. To do this they skimped on armor. London's barely had 3 inches of armor over their machinery and magazine spaces, they aren't unique in this aspect most of the 'treaty cruisers' had thin armor belts, the Pensacola class in particular were originally classified as light cruisers due to their thin skin.
The Nagara class of light cruiser was around 6,000 tons and had a belt of around 2 inches over its machinery and magazines. Those magazines fed 7x1 140mm guns (about 5.5 inch). They had a rather high rate of fire as you found out the hard way. The bigger punch from the Nagara were the type 93 torpedoes they carried, 8 launchers in total in four twin mountings.
So, my advice? Sling HE at light cruisers from your big guns, at the ranges you generally engage at it can do some nasty work. AP for 6" and smaller.
The way HMS Exeter was hammered reminds me of the battle of river plate movie, I kept hearing in my head the captain bell line "request permission revised list of spares".
Mug of tea with my favorite tea brew bag - check, homemade choc banana cake - check, and now for the main action - check ;)
Yes more War on the Seas!!
I love the difficulty on this campaign. You make such fun videos to watch. Thank you so much for making this series im going to watch it then move on to your new Japanese campaign .Great work
Has anyone noticed Battlestations Pacific music in this episode. It feels so nice to hear it again.
Glad you liked it!
Great campaign, so far. Really like the David vs. Goliath aspect of the East Indies theater.
12:30
That song brings back childhood memories.
Really loving your War on The Sea content, motivated me to start playing it again.
2 important things to keep in mind...
-Your capital ship secondary guns, and your destroyer main guns (if dual-purpose) will automatically engage enemy planes, even if they are only spotter planes, and once that plane is gone, your guns reset and don`t fire, even if they were originally designated to fire at ships. At start of engagement, you need to turn AA off...your machine guns will still fire at planes. You need to have weight-of-fire at ships.
- If your ship has a fire on board, you need to monitor the damage teams, as they don`t always go to where the fires are, and fire is probably the biggest threat. Your burning ship at the end, I noticed your damage teams working on non-critical areas, but you had fires in critical sections not being attended to.
Lieutenant(j.g.) Farris Lee onboard USS Houston (CA-30)
February 8th 1942
1128: USS Paul Rones and USS Whipple were attacked by a formation of 6 Betty Bombers, they managed to evade the Torpedoes and shoot down 4 of them. I fail to comprehend the reason the Japanese decided to attack 2 lone escort vessels with bombers when we have a much bigger and more potent task force in the area...
1522: Task Force A engaged the enemy cruiser squadron covered by Air Combat. This was the first Sea Battle since the start of the war. Enemy planes tried to level bomb some of our ships but they all missed and we continued on. The enemy had a Mogami class Heavy Cruiser, a Nagara class Light Cruiser and 2 Destroyers. Exeter lost both magazines and stopped firing by 1526. By 1529 Exeter left our formation because whe was on Fire and Hobart and Houston managed to cross the T. By 1531 I noticed Exeter started firing again and our 3 Cruisers engaged the Mogami. Continuing the fight, at 1537 we noticed Torpedos and turned to avoid with Hobart and Electra narrowly missing a collision. Vampire took multiple hits and had to retire with heavy damage. Hobart took hits from the Nagara. Kamikaze sank at 1540. Mogami in her death throes launched torpedoes but 3 minutes later she went down. Houston and Exeter Obliterated a Minekaze which charged us and Hobart while on fire still supported Exeter and Houston by firing on the Destroyer. Exeter took a suprising amount of a beating from the crippled Nagara developing a noticable list. We cut in front of her to take damage from the Nagara... By 1557, the Valiant Nagara finally went down. We were forced to stay in the area as Exeter, Hobart, Electa, Thanet and Encounter had taken substantial damage with only Houston and Electa capable of fighting. While we managed to sink the entire enemy task force, it seemed like a phyrric victory. We have long days ahead of us as I anticipate that USS Houston will be the sole capital combatant in the Dutch East Indies for quite a while...
Professor Eric Michaels United States Naval History Museum, Honolulu Hawaii September 4th 2023
This is perhaps the first account recorded of the suicidal fanaticism for Wich Japanese forces would quickly be known.
The Mikuma's final attempt to attack the fleet with her last remaining weapon, her torpedoes instead of having her crew abandon the rapidly sinking ship shows just the shear level of effectiveness the Japanese indoctrination had on it's crews.
However most glaring of all is the shear level of damage the Isazu and her crew were able to sustain while still fighting, famously her deck was entirely engulfed in a conflagration, a massive Firestorm that would consume all and yet her gun crews keep loading their guns and firing as they burned to death, they never stopped, and the Exeter and Hobart paid the price.
Love the series ! Great content
This is one of the more engaging weekly releases on UA-cam I wait for.
I'm happy to hear that :)
@@Wolfpack345 Keep them coming! I'm emotionally attached to your defence of Indian ocean lol.
I was the one who sent you a DM earlier saying I love the series and here we are! Can’t wait!
Damn Battlestations Midway soundtrack this time - really fun game (altho quite arcade'ish) remember playing it as a kid, quite good ost. And obviously a great and exciting episode! Quite a cliffhanger tho :)
2 FKCIN WEEKS WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE YEEEEESSS
Wolfpack, love the series. I’m reasonably sure fires are way harder to get under control if you’re flying through the water. When I’ve got fires I disengage if I can , lay smoke, and pull way back on the throttle. That may help.
"We have two blacked out compartments. Not great, not terrible." - Commodore Wolfpack Dyatlov
Love it! I've been looking forward to this upload.
I am glad that it became more difficult to fight the enemy. When you played the larger campaigns, it was almost too easy to wipe out enemy battle groups.
I have seen this adventure. And although a heavy cruiser, light cruiser, and two destroyers have been sunk. You only have, at best - perhaps 19 command points and Hobart and Exeter have taken a pounding. - your main gun line has been diminished. Even if Exeter remains afloat - she will have to undertake the long voyage back to Australia, to the nearest dockyard to undergo repairs. And thus release her points for another, replacement heavy hitter in the Heavy Cruiser category. You might consider HMS Dorsetshire. She has 10 inch guns in three turrets. And sister ship to HMS Devonshire. Failing that, HMS Birmingham, another 8" Heavy Cruiser - might be a good idea. HMAS Hobart was also badly damaged and will have to return to Australia. With those points released from the Light cruiser. You might consider HMNZS Achilles. A second veteran ship of the River Plate Incident in the hunt of the German Pocket Battleship Graf Spee! With whatever is left - you might be able to afford a frieghter to convey supplies and another US four stacker destroyer of the Paul Jones and Whipple class. You will have to support the remaining ports after Panang and Singapore. Your strategy of withdrawal of the troops back to one of the other islands in the DEI is sound. Troops on the replacement light cruiser and the Destroyer and supplies on the frieghter is logical.
Either way! If Exeter sinks - or returns to Australia for repairs ! You are still going to lose her. In reality, in this same area. HMS Exeter was sunk. You were lucky up until now, to retain these ships - Hobart as well. Was badly knocked about. And similarly requires major dockyard repairs. As said. You will have to replace these ships and possibly two destroyers will also have to go back. The more points released you have. You can replace some of the fighting warships. But you will have to also supply the bases and that means it's time for getting some merchant vessels as well. Whipple and Paul Jones will replace the two destroyers damaged badly in this chapter of the story. I suspect that you'll tip just over 40 command points. You've four holes in Task Force A. These holes will have to be filled. And urgently so. And so do your plan for building up supplies with a frieghter. One of the C3 might be a good idea. So slightly better than 40 points released might just achieve both objective.
_Dorsetshire_ was a County class cruiser. Eight 8" guns in four twin turrets, not 10". Two quad torpedo tubes, one on each side.
@@smc1942 I stand corrected. I thought that it had a better punch than that. Still - aside from that gaffe - I'm generally not incorrect.. there must have been some cruisers with 10" guns. Few in number those would be! I would have thought those did exist.
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No. There are _none_ with 10" guns.
The Scharnhorst had 11" (280mm).
The Alaskas had 12" (305mm). As did Arkansas.
But these were battleships, in fact if not name. (The Navy called the Alaska a "large cruiser". But her designation was "CB", which would suggest Cruiser, Battle. None saw action until 1945.)
The Naval Treaties of the time limited Cruisers guns to 8" for heavy cruisers, and 6.1" (155mm) for light cruisers. Most had 6" (152mm), and the Atlantas had 5" (127mm).
Several Japanese light cruisers, like the Nagara class in this video, had 5.5" (140mm) guns.
Also, _Birmingham_ was a Town class cruiser with twelve 6" (152mm) guns in 4 triple gun turrets.
Do a Google search to confirm, if you wish. I'm in my mid-50's, and a History major. WW2 is of special interest/importance to me. I had family in every theater of the war. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, just keeping the record strait.
@@smc1942 I have a single word for that. Disappointed.
I guess that the two cruisers were reconfigured with 8" due to those stipulations after all. Oh well I will have to accept this interpretation after all - no harm to being somewhat disappointed. A pity, if these Cruisers with 10 Inch had existed. They would have been very useful. Saddened that 8' was the limit.
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They were _not_ "reconfigured". They were _never built._ This is _not_ an "interpretation", it's fact. I don't understand why you cannot admit you were wrong, learn from it, and move on. Don't twist words and definitions. Learning is how we grow, and we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
History is what it is, not what you want it to be. So is life. _Accept, Learn and Grow._ To hold on to misguided notions is nothing more than stubborn Pride; which is the first of the Seven Deadly Sins for good reason.
I would be glad to recommend some books on the subject, if you're interested. I believe you are. Let me know. For starters, James Hornfischer's book "Ship of Ghosts". It's a history of the USS HOUSTON (CA-30). Her loss in this Campaign, and the story of her survivors. It's excellent.
not sure if wolfpack added the music in himself or if its part of the mod but its from battlestations pacific nice nostalgic touch used to play that game all day on my xbox 360
Yeaaaahhhhh boyyyyy making my Friday night!
Another good one loved it.
Thanks man!
Top 10 YT - series' cliffhangers
"Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer"
Bit late to the party but an excellent series!
Hey Wolf, just a thought. When you have an enemy ship that goes dead in the water, immediately switch to narrow patterns and manually fire directly on top of it. Massive direct damage as long as it stays still, just need to remember to turn it off when the ship starts moving again or is dead.
That was a brutal engagement!
I enjoy ur content TY... I love there is a different map and or mission
Hohohooo, this is going to be a treat!
Damn the Battlestation Pacific ost gave me the haviest throw back ever 11:59
Exeter, being British, appears to have suffered from cutting costs on armor. Despite being a CA, 5.5" guns could make work of her with only 3" belt and 1" turrets.
A and B turrets and the aft turrets are X - and in most circumstances, Y turret. At least in RN parlance.
No, I didn't! No, didn't leave us hanging like that!
I just finished a mod for Abdacom that re-adds all the vanilla WotS ships plus the British ships from TTE (QE-class battleship, Town-class cruiser, etc) if you're interested.
I’m interested, maybe put it on Steam under the modding discussions for anyone else who’s interested?
I wanna see Wolfpack play carrier command 2 the dynamic replay ability in that game is insane!
We burn or we put up a smokescreen ? Yes
I’ve been keeping up with this series, and have watched the Cold Waters US 1984 campaign, US War On The Sea Campaign, and am watching the Cold Waters Soviet campaign. It is now I noticed that I wasn’t subscribed. I’ll fix that, keep up with the great and interesting content!
that BSP music brings back memories :,)
Love war on the seas, well done
This was exciting.
great fight keep up the great videos
The two Clemson Class Destroyers are likely to replace two of your damaged Destroyers which will have to return back to Australia for repairs with the two damaged Cruisers.
Always enjoy your videos. You do know you can reprioritize damage control to focus on fires instead of minor damage yes? I always try to put out fires first, then flooding, then structure damage.
I find your channel very entertaining.
Holy cow a cliffhanger!
I think the captain jettisoned the torpedoes so they would not explode on board. common thing to do in the ijn ?
I wouldn't have accepted that Nagara taking that long to sink. I'd have just left the battle or assumed it was bugged.
Hey wolf, did you ever play battlestations pacific? I noticed you had the music mod downloaded. If not should absolutely try it out
More War on the Sea PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Damn those balls on that Minekaze trying to do a desperate torpedo run, and that Nagara keeping afloat and fighting on pure spite alone.
Also, on the use of subs on your part, I think we can forgive it if you limit yourself to dutch subs (as historically they were VERY agressive, and sunk more ships on the first two weeks than the US and british fleets combined), and the Surcouf of course, you cant just not use the Surcouf and do some surface engagements for the LULZs.
I wish my light cruisers could deal and take damage like this Nagara when I'm playing as the Japanese.
Yeeesssss I've been waiting for this to drop, come in wolf pack
ty for the episode :)
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You have such luck within the first few minutes of the vid my destroyers would have been toast!!! I’ve been working on it but you have the best luck
His last episode made me feel the opposite. Love this mod really makes you "try".
Battlestations Pacific is a good soundtrack pick, keep using it.
Great video as usual 👌 👍
By this point, you've sunk or seriously damaged the entire Mogami class.
drinking game: Drink one shot each time the Nagami is being hit.
Just Kidding, you may suffer alcohol poisoning if you do this.
*Nagara.
Good stuff Wolf!
If you had left the Nagara, and broken off the engagement, and she later sank, would you still get command points?
Wasn't Exeter one of this british hybrids with light cruiser armor und heavy cruiser guns? That might be why it gets hit so hard by small calibers.
No, Exeter is part of the "cheaper alternative" CA class. Also, the only thing separating the classes "light cruiser" and "heavy cruiser" is their main guns, according the Washington Naval Treaty.
You do realise that heavy and light cruisers had the same armour for the most part right? The difference was arnament not armour.
@@adamtruong1759 To add to this, she's basically 3/4 of a County class heavy cruiser, except she actually has belt armour (the Counties were fitted 'for but not with' belt armour to stay within the treaty limits on displacement, some of them were retrofitted with it later).
@@lancsladgaming7146 ;
Some light cruisers had more armor than some heavy cruisers...
The Brooklyn class had more armor than the Pensacola, Northampton and Portland classes!
Hoping you remember this Nagara incident
When I used to play this game I loved it...except for the fact I would get 104 ship kills to the enemies two. Then a buddy pointed out a cruiser is the same size as the carrier next to it... maybe Task Force Adm. will avoid these mistakes?
Nooooo....how could you end it there??? This feels like an episode of Batman! To see the fate of the Exeter, tune in next week! Same bat-time, same bat-channel!
The 12 dislikes were crew aboard the Exeter
Good video.
Hope Exeter pulls though.
Thanks!!
W game u should post this everyday if u have a chance I would love to see more👍🏾
The best part of valour is discretion! Only to fight when there's a better chance of coming out on top.
Yikes! Exeter! Will she still be afloat the next episode!? I hope so.
It was still a good trade. You lost 1 cruiser for 1 heavy 1 light 4 Betty bombers and a pair of DDs. Point is you crippled them far worse then they gave you. My suggestion would be send Exeter back to Australia for repairs and see if you can’t get another Pensacola class light cruiser. The Pensacola class has 8 inch guns and a better radar then the IJN. Try to outrange them and pick the big boys off ( those big cruisers will be very tough to replace)
@@Nighthunter6666 except Houston
My name is Hanger, Cliff, Hanger.....
Hahaha
Mr. Wolff, now with the autumn steam sale, should we all go for Cold Waters or War on the Sea?
I hope Exciter makes it. Is there a way that you can use the nearby ships to help on your critical ship repairs?
*Exeter.
Did they fix the scaling problem where a cruiser is as big as a carrier?
What is that I hear.. the Battlestations Midway soundtrack? Props for the great music!
Can you bring Exeter back to Australia for repairs.
I don't get the point of counter-flooding in this game. I experimented with it early on, and only discovered that I would make the flooding worse and end up sinking an otherwise salvageable ship. From then on, I only used the counter-flooding system to scuttle ships.
As Jeremy Clarkson would put it "Thats not gone well" but still this game is great!
Maybe not but a Mogami class heavy cruiser will be a tough blow to the IJN and will be tough to replace. Sure loosing the Exeter hurts but I would replace her with another Pensacola class USN cruiser for those big 8 inch guns
Brutal.
I loved the Battle stations Midway / Pacific music
Attack
i think you exposed your ship much more than the japaneese did, giving your full broadside to get shot at 90 degrees
What’s with the Battlestations Pacific music? Was it added in editing?
love your vids
Finally!
Love the video