YEEEEAAAAAH, more UA-camrs jumping on the Retrogaming hype train with 2nd Edition. I wasn't even born when 2ed 40k was released, but recently I delved into the rules and they gripped me like no modern GW system ever has. The 2nd Edition Eldar and Chaos codices in particular are absolute gems that no modern codex can compete with.
@Naught to break but Our chains Well, there is, but it pretty much only includes that one gal who hung out with Ciaphus Cain, Hero of the Imperium. :) The whole rest of the organization is just a bunch of nutters.
I remember buying this with my first pay packet, still have it all in a box in the attic somewhere. I would say though, the marketing things were either added later or this is a later printing as it shows the expansions inside which were not available at first and the art on the front is for Warhammer 3rd edition. Hope you enjoy the retro play and would love to see other blast from the past going forward (tyrands pretty please).
Memories! Glorious time for Games Workshop with the bright colours and goblin green bases. Joy! One of the things I loved about 2nd edition was the cover system with hard and soft cover. Glad they tried to bring that back in 9th. More terrain the better. Also games seemed to be more than 2 turns of absolute carnage and then mopping up/objective securing. 7th/8th/9th are all too brutal with alpha strikes. Back in the day the games seemed to be more balanced with first 2 turns about tactical movement and shooting and then from turn 3 onwards you meet in combat and it descends into a melee across the board. I guess it helped that there were no flyers and super fast moving units plus the movement and charging dynamic was different. Maybe I've got rose tinted glasses on here or there could just be some truth to the matter.
Wow, what a blast from the past. Impressive amount of material on the table @22:00. Thanks for the shout out, Luka. Captain Sandorio and Gregorio are still feeling your Death Guard's Disgustingly Resilience from our battle! I love that you painted these "old school" marines as Crimson Fists. Their color scheme and lore is what got me hooked on them back in the day and the reason I continue to play them today. I'm looking forward to this series and will be rooting for Sons of Dorn! Thanks again. ~heavybolterjoe
This brings back soooo many awesome memories. Started in Rouge Trader, but 2nd was really where I cut my teeth in high school! This is putting a huge smile on my face!
Brings back memories. Rogue trader was great fun (as was fantasy). I think Dark Millenium was the expansion for 2nd edition, with all the physic rules and stuff. Awesome! Back when the pewter character models were a couple of £’s.
I hope to see more games played with the 2nd Edition 40K rules set on your channel. I've recently 'regressed' back to 2nd Edition, and I am loving it. Built an entire 1500-point army of Orks just for the occasion. I started playing 40K during the Rogue Trader era, but cut my teeth using 2nd Edition. It's fantastic.
There are several 40K 2nd Edition groups on Facebook which have some wonderful resources in their Files sections to assist players who have never played the edition or old-schoolers who might need a refresher.
PLEASE do more 2nd ed content! It's so rare to see anything on youtube about it at all and it's what got many of us into the game :) Also for anyone interested, theres is a very active Warhammer 40,000 2nd edition community on Facebook - it's super friendly and very inclusive and so if you're like minded and curious please come and say hi!
I remember a 2nd edition game in which my opponent, a Space Wolves player, managed to blow up 3 Assault Cannons in 1 turn. As a reminder, an assault cannon would blow up if all its rapid fire dice came up with the jam symbol. We had fun - well, except for the SW player ^^
I started playing in 1992 and am going to love this series. Although it would be awesome if you guys could do a short series in Warhammer Epic 40K with the 6mm models. Thats my first experience with the universe.
@@jamestaylor3805 agreed. Where else can you see 5 warlord Titans face 5 Eldar Revenant Titans all the while having hundreds of troops and vehicles battling it out at their feet.
i found that exact starter box under the stairs in my house a few weeks back, had not seen it since i painted them up as a 8 or 9 year old. have been stripping and repainting the majority of the minis and a few extras i dont remember buying at the time. Have left a few as they were tho as a nice reminder of how they used to be.
2nd edition 40k was my jam. 3rd was so horrible my friends and I just ignored it completely and continued to play 2nd and '95 Munda. Now almost 20 years after we stopped playing the pandemic has brought our gaming group back together in preparation for the end of lockdown so we can game again.
Great God. I remember picking that up when I came back from Korea. Even have photos of a game or two we played at a shop in Junction City, KS in 93 or 94...
This was my first boxed set. I bought my first minis ( Ragnar Blackmane, Ulrik the Slayer and Niall Stormcaller ) from Andy Chambers via my Grandads credit card over the the phone while on holiday in the UK in 1992. Possibly the best day of my life, looking back........ 😁😁😁😁 Btw I literally have 2 entire squads of Squat infantry including shoulder mounted heavy bolters........ I’m almost drowning in nostalgia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣t The conjoined templates were fastened with a split pin and were used for Thud Guns and other barrage weapons to represent multi shot templates......... 🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁... I’m dying here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁🤣🤣🤣
I started towards the middle-end on 8th but I remember my dads huge Space Wolf army as a kid which was I believe during 3rd edition and I just remember it being the coolest thing ever.
I remember the vortex grenade, I remember my Solitaire crossing the board over 3 turns and tossing it at the feet of the Ork Warboss whereupon it promptly scattered back and consumed my Solitaire. Came very close to a rage quit.
You missed Rogue Trader, where there was always That Guy who'd take a support vortex missile as off-table artillery with the radius expanded to cover most of the table surface. So many rage quits from that sort of crap. The traditional way to delivery the more normal vortex grenade was a Squat riding a flying surfboard, of course. :)
24:20 Armor penetration for HtH weapons was D6 + variable die based on strength + strength of weapon. So a powerfist's armor penetration dice were D6 + D20 + 8. It was never strength x2.
Strength of weapon + die based on strength of weapon(might be melee only, ranged weapon didn't add anything) + 1d6 + any damage die(dice) the weapons does.(example: Krak missile did 1d10 damage) Thunder hammers auto penetrated(No to wound rolls)
@@beldonjustbeldon952 I’m pretty sure you could use pistol/basic/special weapons in melee against vehicles that didn’t have a weapon skill and they would get the bonus depends-on-strength die. It was super complicated.
@@lordravenblade I don't think you can use a special weapon, basic weapon, or heavy weapon in close combat(other than as a club(strength user). But a pistol... really a plasma pistol could be quite useful since it is strength 6. The -1 on armour saves isn't really useful, unless you have a strength of 3 or less. Base strength of 4 will get you -1 amour save anyways. And at the point "I think" you get the close combat bonuses... that one I am not sure of. It has been awhile.
@@lordravenblade Yeah, I think you auto hit the base number of attacks. Probably extra attacks for charging and multiweapon fighting. I think you are right about the basic weapons and special weapons... although outside of meltaguns, you are not doing much.
@@haffdanthorfinnson2413 personally i think 3rd edition was the most fun to play. it was a lot more technical with turning, missile scattering etc and i preferred templates for flamers than the "stats" method.
21:48 Twin assault cannons were introduced in 3rd edition but at that time they were just Heavy 3 with re-roll to hit. No sustained fire in that edition. But they could jam on a roll of 3 x 1 :) As for consolidating into another unit - you could do that in 3rd and it would mean that you were in combat with that unit but you would fight in the next turn. That's because at that time close combat was based on Initiative and you could only ever fight once in your turn.
Oh, the nostalgia. I feel so old now... If you’re gonna play some games, you must, MUST have at least one with infantry heavy imperial guard vs a dude with a virus grenade 😂😂
Yes, rules came from the model and the things it Carrie's. The story came from how you played them, not how many special rules you can cram on to a data sheet.
You've never heard of the Mentors? They are one of the coolest Space Marine Chapters! They go to various Imperial Guard regiments and teach them how to fight, while gathering information on the Imperium at large at the same time.
boyz were 12 pts apiece, 13 if you went with Goff skarboyz, so 240 points for all 20 of them, and another 200 for the 40 gretchin (5 apiece). Meanwhile, the marines were 712 points minimum (356 points per squad), and you could bump it up by 30 points each for making them veterans, or giving them krak grenades (120 points total), or even more if you made one of the squads into Legion of the Damned (390 points base plus weapons), so a vet squad with krak grenades, and a LotD squad with krak grenades added 180 points to those 712, so 892 - just enough to get a captain, give him a weapon, and you have a 1000 point army. Meanwhile, 3rd edition starter came with 10 plastic marines, and a land speeder, adding up to less than 300 points total, all while the "standard" game size went up from 1000-1500 points to 2000-3000 points. You literally had to tripple your model count to play 3rd edition, especially now that the rules were forcing you to take the most basic units (the only available troops choices) before taking elites/fast attack/heavy support (2e just had squads, and support stuff like dreadnoughts).
To hit modifiers, armor save modifiers, terrain reducing speed, models with their own unique movement speeds... it's almost like GW realized everything since 3rd edition was a mistake! I was so happy to see 2nd edition essentially return in 8th. I like 9th so far too!
This is where I started and stopped with 40k. Tried 3rd, 4th and 6th edition and it never came close to this for me. Very excited to hear their impressions.
Hey Luka, if you get a chance to do a deep dive on the mentor legion fluff then do so, you won’t regret it. It’s super weird for those of us who started post 3rd edition because it doesn’t fit with the way the universe developed later. From memory the mentors were the scientist-y R and D legion who tried out all the new tech the imperium came up with before that idea was heresy. They had for example a cool target link that let them all fire at the exact same spot of the opponents armour in unison and turn 5 Bolter shots into a lascannon impact.
My first experience with Warhammer was my buddy pulling this outta the basement. I guess it was an old "toy" his older sibling had. He got kinda miffed cause I wasn't good enough at painting and wouldn't let me help him paint any of the models after that. In his defense I was not, and in my defense he's an artist so his standards were kinda high. We used to xerox the models out of the catalogs and play with paper cut outs on cardboard bases. I miss those catalogs.
Since they are doing some old stuff now and then can we get a 40k/fantasy through the editions. They play a few game with different editions going from the earliest to the newest so we can see how it used to be and how it changed to now.?
What are you talking about, there was no 1st war, and unless you want to live a life on the run, I'd recommend you never bring it up in public again. :p
The Vortex Grenade. So hype. So grimdark. A blast weapon that would move randomly and destroy anything it touched on a 4+ with no saves allowed. What kind of madlad would deploy such a thing as their primary tactic. Squad LAZARUS commanded by 10 year old me, that's who.
this was the edition i started with. in fact i use to play with people who used squats from 1st edition. i dont remember Vortex grenades being a problem, except everyone took one lol. the virus effect however was totally unbalanced. some armies like orks and IG would be totally decimated while space marines and eldar would be immune.
I just landed this mint in box - like MINT Dark Millennium - ditto All the published Codex books It is so self contained and manageable. So refreshing!
At the time I had an interview with gw, for a possible italian studio. They give me as a gift a box of 40k second edition. I was the last of six interviewed, two of them did not attended so I received also their copies. I still should have one unboxed set, somewhere in my garage
Mentor legion used to be the chaptor that field test all new weapons technology before it was given to other chaptors, they also dispatched marines to other chaptor to train them in it's use hence the name mentor. Templete thing was thudd gun.
I know a Facebook page full of 2nd ed enthusiasts that'll likely like this. I'd love to see some proper 2nd ed Nids too. I can't be the only collector of 2nd ed Nids out there.
I really wish I got 30 hormagaunts and 30 termagaunts before 3rd edition, wasnt a big fan of the carnifxes and zoanthropes as the 3rd edition models were alot better imo, or the first weird tyranid warriors they did, or the biovores really skinny front arms, tho it's nice to see gen 4 tyrants were more sculpted towards gen 2.
@@smegintheheads822 I like all of them to be honest. They're a constantly evolving race after all so it feels right to have some very different looking forms for the same creatures. Whilst I enjoy the Tyranid Warriors in their two weird second ed glory versions, I definitely prefer the look of the 3rd onward (although I'm definitely glad all options are on one sprue now). That said I definitely agree I wish I had full complements of Screamer Hunters and the metal Termagants. They're expensive nowadays.
@@thomassaxon8254 I think my biggest problem was I didnt get into tyranids until the very end of gen 2 so I missed out, the 3rd edition models just made some older models look worse I guess? Not as in bad I wouldnt use them, the zoanthropes were the most interesting look I'll give them that, but the 3rd edition carnifexs looked amazing back then (again still wish I had them models) tho the tyrants I wasnt a fan of and being metal so I ended up buying both the forge world tyrants that looked more from aliens, still love those models.
Oh good dog this takes me back! I was 13 (so around 95 - 96) when I first discovered 40k, via WHFB and then Epic, so this hits me right in the nostalgia sac. I seriously miss the 2nd Ed vehicle damage tables and armour values as well as the pen values on anti armour weapons, a lascannon was very different to a multimelta for example and you could take melta and plasma missiles (and antiplant and all sorts of weird and wonderful grenades. I _loved_ hallucinogen grenades but virus and vortex grenades where banned) for your launchers as well as frag and super krak which is why I will always take them over anything but plasma. Ramble ramble ramble... So are you going to do Dark Millenium too? I miss my big box of half the Amazon in dead trees.
2nd Edition was the last time Tyranids felt like Tyranids. They didn't get those strategy cards, but they might have a barbed strangler pod burst from your chest on turn 1 because Tyranids are supposed to make a planet's ecology turn against you.
They still had zoats and mind slaves back then too. You could crib other armies' troops because they'd been parasitized by a head crab, and this years before Halflife. :)
I think it’s more that there have actually been 4 different games called 40k now. While 3-7th were evolutions of the same system 2nd was a totally different experience to play. As is 8/9th. Rouge trader is more of an RPG.
So the Brets and Lizardmen were (re) introduced to WHFB in 1995 with the release of WHFB 5th edition, which means this particular 40k box set came from the middle to end of 2nd edition’s run (given the marketing insert features Brets and Lizardmen on its cover). 40k third I believe came out in 1998, so my guess would be 1996-98.
Swooping hawks grenades were in Eldar 2nd Edition book... and LR Crusader came out in 3rd when Black Templars got rules. (well actually the armageddon book like steve said between 2nd and 3rd, was like 2.85 lol) I started my Black Templars back from choosing them from the sucessors out of the 2nd Edition Ultramarine book. Lol.
The gen I started 40k, still got some gen 3 and 4 models but I dont think I have any really old models anymore, and gen 2 was when I got heavily into my nids.
Hahaha! Play space wolves wolf guard terminators with cyclone missile launcer (launching all missiles at once) and assault cannon! Lose all your friends in a single shooting phase ;D
Actually our local game stores carried 40K and its predecessors. I do not think I mail ordered anything till after 2000 when the metals could not be gotten in the stores anymore. I started playing 1st edition RT, and switched to 2nd when it came out the same time I graduated high school.
QUESTION! Steve wants more old Orks, but before I trundle into the garage to see what I've got out there ... does Luka need some old marine stuff as well? Be a bit of a shame to get one without the other. Help keep the campaign fair!
This is my era of 40k. Loved reading white dwarf and being excited about this game. Now it just feels meh, models look like anime stuff and the space marines or chaos space marines is 90% of all the armies played.
I couldn’t wait to get my hands on the newest WD to read the battle reports. They used to write them so well during second and third edition. Kinda fell apart after that.
@Luka - necrons have always been 'around' - they were released by GW in 1990 with 'Space Crusade' if memory serves - they were called various things including 'Chaos Androids' - - - I'd love to see you pick up a box of the original epic 40k 'Space Marine' box set too :)
The "Squat" in the picture is a StormBoy with jump pack!
It certainly is. No respect, no respect at all for the beardos. :)
@@richmcgee434 Also, it is Commissar Yarrick in that picture
They don't make starters like this anymore!
This edition was so good, all those informational books released within the starter and so characterful. 😍
YEEEEAAAAAH, more UA-camrs jumping on the Retrogaming hype train with 2nd Edition. I wasn't even born when 2ed 40k was released, but recently I delved into the rules and they gripped me like no modern GW system ever has. The 2nd Edition Eldar and Chaos codices in particular are absolute gems that no modern codex can compete with.
Yup
which is why the change to 3rd was seen as bland AF, though 3rd was cool in its own way
2nd War for Armageddon, the 1st was against Chaos!
@Naught to break but Our chains Fenris, The Great Wolf sends his regards
@Naught to break but Our chains If it doesn't already know their location, it's not the Inquisition. Or at least not the competent part of it. :)
@Naught to break but Our chains Well, there is, but it pretty much only includes that one gal who hung out with Ciaphus Cain, Hero of the Imperium. :) The whole rest of the organization is just a bunch of nutters.
@@richmcgee434 meh, we only need to know which planet they're on. Cyclonic torpedo will sort out the rest.
@@Didierpelupessy "Close" only counts with horseshoes, hand grenades, and Exterminatus, right?
I remember buying this with my first pay packet, still have it all in a box in the attic somewhere. I would say though, the marketing things were either added later or this is a later printing as it shows the expansions inside which were not available at first and the art on the front is for Warhammer 3rd edition. Hope you enjoy the retro play and would love to see other blast from the past going forward (tyrands pretty please).
Memories! Glorious time for Games Workshop with the bright colours and goblin green bases. Joy! One of the things I loved about 2nd edition was the cover system with hard and soft cover. Glad they tried to bring that back in 9th. More terrain the better. Also games seemed to be more than 2 turns of absolute carnage and then mopping up/objective securing. 7th/8th/9th are all too brutal with alpha strikes. Back in the day the games seemed to be more balanced with first 2 turns about tactical movement and shooting and then from turn 3 onwards you meet in combat and it descends into a melee across the board. I guess it helped that there were no flyers and super fast moving units plus the movement and charging dynamic was different. Maybe I've got rose tinted glasses on here or there could just be some truth to the matter.
Nope think you’ve got it
Our group still plays 2nd edition. I'll know what's going on for a change.
We need a second edition battle report! Those retro marines looks badass! 🧨🥏
Wow, what a blast from the past. Impressive amount of material on the table @22:00. Thanks for the shout out, Luka. Captain Sandorio and Gregorio are still feeling your Death Guard's Disgustingly Resilience from our battle! I love that you painted these "old school" marines as Crimson Fists. Their color scheme and lore is what got me hooked on them back in the day and the reason I continue to play them today. I'm looking forward to this series and will be rooting for Sons of Dorn! Thanks again.
~heavybolterjoe
I love the effort that went into theming this. Well done guys
This brings back soooo many awesome memories. Started in Rouge Trader, but 2nd was really where I cut my teeth in high school! This is putting a huge smile on my face!
Brings back memories. Rogue trader was great fun (as was fantasy). I think Dark Millenium was the expansion for 2nd edition, with all the physic rules and stuff. Awesome! Back when the pewter character models were a couple of £’s.
I love those old newsprint books with the classic b&w art. Not sure why everyone is on this retrohammer train but I'm here for it.
Midwinterminis unboxing of 2nd Ed earlier this year was great too, looking forward the games.
Thanks for digging out those oldies. Sure brings back a lot of memories!
I hope to see more games played with the 2nd Edition 40K rules set on your channel.
I've recently 'regressed' back to 2nd Edition, and I am loving it. Built an entire 1500-point army of Orks just for the occasion.
I started playing 40K during the Rogue Trader era, but cut my teeth using 2nd Edition. It's fantastic.
There are several 40K 2nd Edition groups on Facebook which have some wonderful resources in their Files sections to assist players who have never played the edition or old-schoolers who might need a refresher.
@@cavemanbum There are many 2nd edition groups and clubs. What I can guarantee you there are not, is 3rd edition anything.
I have all the nostalgia. This was the first tabletop game I played. It was beautiful.
I'm having a proper wave of nostalgia here. This was my very first set. Such happy memories.
PLEASE do more 2nd ed content! It's so rare to see anything on youtube about it at all and it's what got many of us into the game :)
Also for anyone interested, theres is a very active Warhammer 40,000 2nd edition community on Facebook - it's super friendly and very inclusive and so if you're like minded and curious please come and say hi!
This is when I started playing, Orks where so chaotic, I loved the Pulsa Rockets and Shock Attack guns.
I remember a 2nd edition game in which my opponent, a Space Wolves player, managed to blow up 3 Assault Cannons in 1 turn. As a reminder, an assault cannon would blow up if all its rapid fire dice came up with the jam symbol. We had fun - well, except for the SW player ^^
I started playing in 1992 and am going to love this series. Although it would be awesome if you guys could do a short series in Warhammer Epic 40K with the 6mm models. Thats my first experience with the universe.
Epic scale was the best game ever... the diversity of what I saw fielded was so fun.
@@jamestaylor3805 agreed. Where else can you see 5 warlord Titans face 5 Eldar Revenant Titans all the while having hundreds of troops and vehicles battling it out at their feet.
@@jamestaylor3805 or see a battalion of squats pop out of termites, or mole mortars in action, or Bassilisk firing all the way across a large table.
I played orks... soooooo many wagons. Every kind of bike and mount in multiple. Stompa stompa stompa stompa...
@@jamestaylor3805 i played orcs as well. Had two orc titans with the ole gut buster cannons. What was that blast template? Like 8 inches diameter? Lol
Absolutely awesome. I have wanted something like this for a long time. 2nd was my first introduction to the 40k universe.
Damn that box was my gate way in to 40k many years ago. Miss the art style of those days and also feel pretty old, thinking about that box .
I played with that paper terrain for a decade.
I still use it, hell I still use my Necromunda terrain for 40k.
i found that exact starter box under the stairs in my house a few weeks back, had not seen it since i painted them up as a 8 or 9 year old. have been stripping and repainting the majority of the minis and a few extras i dont remember buying at the time. Have left a few as they were tho as a nice reminder of how they used to be.
2nd edition 40k was my jam. 3rd was so horrible my friends and I just ignored it completely and continued to play 2nd and '95 Munda. Now almost 20 years after we stopped playing the pandemic has brought our gaming group back together in preparation for the end of lockdown so we can game again.
Brings me back to my childhood! What a time for 40k
Great God. I remember picking that up when I came back from Korea. Even have photos of a game or two we played at a shop in Junction City, KS in 93 or 94...
Ooooh, first time in a long time I am very exited about a campaign here! Nostalgia is a strong feeling.
This was my first boxed set. I bought my first minis ( Ragnar Blackmane, Ulrik the Slayer and Niall Stormcaller ) from Andy Chambers via my Grandads credit card over the the phone while on holiday in the UK in 1992. Possibly the best day of my life, looking back........ 😁😁😁😁
Btw I literally have 2 entire squads of Squat infantry including shoulder mounted heavy bolters........ I’m almost drowning in nostalgia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣t
The conjoined templates were fastened with a split pin and were used for Thud Guns and other barrage weapons to represent multi shot templates......... 🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁... I’m dying here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁🤣🤣🤣
Would love to see some 2E batreps. 2E games are so much fun.
Btw the scenarios in the 2E starter box all favor the Marines.
I started towards the middle-end on 8th but I remember my dads huge Space Wolf army as a kid which was I believe during 3rd edition and I just remember it being the coolest thing ever.
I remember the vortex grenade, I remember my Solitaire crossing the board over 3 turns and tossing it at the feet of the Ork Warboss whereupon it promptly scattered back and consumed my Solitaire. Came very close to a rage quit.
You missed Rogue Trader, where there was always That Guy who'd take a support vortex missile as off-table artillery with the radius expanded to cover most of the table surface. So many rage quits from that sort of crap.
The traditional way to delivery the more normal vortex grenade was a Squat riding a flying surfboard, of course. :)
Good ol' days, i have both the english and spanish edition. My first armies were orks and space wolves.
24:20
Armor penetration for HtH weapons was D6 + variable die based on strength + strength of weapon.
So a powerfist's armor penetration dice were D6 + D20 + 8.
It was never strength x2.
Strength of weapon + die based on strength of weapon(might be melee only, ranged weapon didn't add anything) + 1d6 + any damage die(dice) the weapons does.(example: Krak missile did 1d10 damage)
Thunder hammers auto penetrated(No to wound rolls)
@@beldonjustbeldon952 I’m pretty sure you could use pistol/basic/special weapons in melee against vehicles that didn’t have a weapon skill and they would get the bonus depends-on-strength die. It was super complicated.
@@lordravenblade I don't think you can use a special weapon, basic weapon, or heavy weapon in close combat(other than as a club(strength user). But a pistol... really a plasma pistol could be quite useful since it is strength 6. The -1 on armour saves isn't really useful, unless you have a strength of 3 or less. Base strength of 4 will get you -1 amour save anyways. And at the point "I think" you get the close combat bonuses... that one I am not sure of. It has been awhile.
@@beldonjustbeldon952 melee against vehicles with no weapon skill had different rules. I’ll have to pull out my rule book and check.
@@lordravenblade Yeah, I think you auto hit the base number of attacks. Probably extra attacks for charging and multiweapon fighting. I think you are right about the basic weapons and special weapons... although outside of meltaguns, you are not doing much.
I've been looking forward to this. I didn't start till 8th but 2nd and 3rd ed is so interesting
I miss a lot of aspects of 3rd.
@@haffdanthorfinnson2413 personally i think 3rd edition was the most fun to play. it was a lot more technical with turning, missile scattering etc and i preferred templates for flamers than the "stats" method.
3rd was great
2nd was a day at least with friends... never to finish a game. Great times with great friends. Memories :)
Same here dood started 8th and watched Snipe and Wib's coverage of the old editions stuff.
This is the box I started with. I was in college at the time. This brings back so many memories.
21:48 Twin assault cannons were introduced in 3rd edition but at that time they were just Heavy 3 with re-roll to hit. No sustained fire in that edition. But they could jam on a roll of 3 x 1 :) As for consolidating into another unit - you could do that in 3rd and it would mean that you were in combat with that unit but you would fight in the next turn. That's because at that time close combat was based on Initiative and you could only ever fight once in your turn.
My first set... that generation of Orks was so much fun.
Oh, the nostalgia. I feel so old now...
If you’re gonna play some games, you must, MUST have at least one with infantry heavy imperial guard vs a dude with a virus grenade 😂😂
Awesome. This was my first edition. Vortex grenades were amazing. Loved them. 50pts if my memory serves me well.
Awesome unboxing I have my brothers unopened box I will probably never open it so it was great to see what is in it.
Yes, rules came from the model and the things it Carrie's. The story came from how you played them, not how many special rules you can cram on to a data sheet.
You've never heard of the Mentors? They are one of the coolest Space Marine Chapters! They go to various Imperial Guard regiments and teach them how to fight, while gathering information on the Imperium at large at the same time.
I got this box one Xmas in the mid 90s. I remember almost nothing from second edition, so very interested to watch some battle reports
boyz were 12 pts apiece, 13 if you went with Goff skarboyz, so 240 points for all 20 of them, and another 200 for the 40 gretchin (5 apiece). Meanwhile, the marines were 712 points minimum (356 points per squad), and you could bump it up by 30 points each for making them veterans, or giving them krak grenades (120 points total), or even more if you made one of the squads into Legion of the Damned (390 points base plus weapons), so a vet squad with krak grenades, and a LotD squad with krak grenades added 180 points to those 712, so 892 - just enough to get a captain, give him a weapon, and you have a 1000 point army.
Meanwhile, 3rd edition starter came with 10 plastic marines, and a land speeder, adding up to less than 300 points total, all while the "standard" game size went up from 1000-1500 points to 2000-3000 points. You literally had to tripple your model count to play 3rd edition, especially now that the rules were forcing you to take the most basic units (the only available troops choices) before taking elites/fast attack/heavy support (2e just had squads, and support stuff like dreadnoughts).
To hit modifiers, armor save modifiers, terrain reducing speed, models with their own unique movement speeds... it's almost like GW realized everything since 3rd edition was a mistake! I was so happy to see 2nd edition essentially return in 8th. I like 9th so far too!
Luka, the free-hand painted banner is awesome, good job!
Got this box for Christmas when I was about 11 and still have it!!
Me too!
Had this box. Good times, when it still had such potential.
This is where I started and stopped with 40k. Tried 3rd, 4th and 6th edition and it never came close to this for me. Very excited to hear their impressions.
Flashbacks to middle school, and a tank exploding, and its turret blowing off and landing on my eversor assassin. He did not dodge it.
This is the best edition of the game. So much fun, so many memories.
Hey Luka, if you get a chance to do a deep dive on the mentor legion fluff then do so, you won’t regret it. It’s super weird for those of us who started post 3rd edition because it doesn’t fit with the way the universe developed later.
From memory the mentors were the scientist-y R and D legion who tried out all the new tech the imperium came up with before that idea was heresy. They had for example a cool target link that let them all fire at the exact same spot of the opponents armour in unison and turn 5 Bolter shots into a lascannon impact.
U really should have green flocked those bases!! Woulda brought back memories ☺️
My first experience with Warhammer was my buddy pulling this outta the basement. I guess it was an old "toy" his older sibling had. He got kinda miffed cause I wasn't good enough at painting and wouldn't let me help him paint any of the models after that. In his defense I was not, and in my defense he's an artist so his standards were kinda high. We used to xerox the models out of the catalogs and play with paper cut outs on cardboard bases. I miss those catalogs.
Since they are doing some old stuff now and then can we get a 40k/fantasy through the editions. They play a few game with different editions going from the earliest to the newest so we can see how it used to be and how it changed to now.?
This is awesome! I’m trying to build something with all my legend out models. Current bases, what I have. I ❤️2nd edition
The Mentor Legion are the Mentors now. They are on the Successor Chapter pages in the new SM codex.
The 2nd Edition boxed set covered the 2nd War for Armageddon not the 1st...
What are you talking about, there was no 1st war, and unless you want to live a life on the run, I'd recommend you never bring it up in public again. :p
Back then, Eldar Guardians were armed with Lasguns. I still have a 10 man metal squad of them and a ranger that has twin las pistols.
Armor and gun facing were cool rules. That's what justifies vehicles having sponson weapons.
The Vortex Grenade. So hype. So grimdark. A blast weapon that would move randomly and destroy anything it touched on a 4+ with no saves allowed. What kind of madlad would deploy such a thing as their primary tactic. Squad LAZARUS commanded by 10 year old me, that's who.
The Mentor Legion got a good amount of discussion in the recent ADB book Spear of the Emperor!
That terrain would work today. I would buy that right now.
I got mine for Christmas 1994. It was awesome. Much more value in comparison to today. Different time...
One of the main characters in the ADB novel Spear of the Emperor is from the Mentor Legion. They are an Ultramarine successor chapter.
this was the edition i started with. in fact i use to play with people who used squats from 1st edition. i dont remember Vortex grenades being a problem, except everyone took one lol. the virus effect however was totally unbalanced. some armies like orks and IG would be totally decimated while space marines and eldar would be immune.
I just landed this mint in box - like MINT
Dark Millennium - ditto
All the published Codex books
It is so self contained and manageable. So refreshing!
21:33 The rolling combats was 5th edition. Me and a buddy won a Warhammer World doubles tournament by abusing the heck out of that!
I still have mine and currently repainting my marines for my 2nd edition army. Green basses and all!
At the time I had an interview with gw, for a possible italian studio.
They give me as a gift a box of 40k second edition.
I was the last of six interviewed, two of them did not attended so I received also their copies. I still should have one unboxed set, somewhere in my garage
Mentor legion used to be the chaptor that field test all new weapons technology before it was given to other chaptors, they also dispatched marines to other chaptor to train them in it's use hence the name mentor.
Templete thing was thudd gun.
You guys make me feel old, I was 19 when W40K 2nd Ed came out. I have unpainted miniatures older than you :)
I know a Facebook page full of 2nd ed enthusiasts that'll likely like this.
I'd love to see some proper 2nd ed Nids too. I can't be the only collector of 2nd ed Nids out there.
I really wish I got 30 hormagaunts and 30 termagaunts before 3rd edition, wasnt a big fan of the carnifxes and zoanthropes as the 3rd edition models were alot better imo, or the first weird tyranid warriors they did, or the biovores really skinny front arms, tho it's nice to see gen 4 tyrants were more sculpted towards gen 2.
@@smegintheheads822 I like all of them to be honest. They're a constantly evolving race after all so it feels right to have some very different looking forms for the same creatures.
Whilst I enjoy the Tyranid Warriors in their two weird second ed glory versions, I definitely prefer the look of the 3rd onward (although I'm definitely glad all options are on one sprue now).
That said I definitely agree I wish I had full complements of Screamer Hunters and the metal Termagants. They're expensive nowadays.
@@thomassaxon8254 I think my biggest problem was I didnt get into tyranids until the very end of gen 2 so I missed out, the 3rd edition models just made some older models look worse I guess? Not as in bad I wouldnt use them, the zoanthropes were the most interesting look I'll give them that, but the 3rd edition carnifexs looked amazing back then (again still wish I had them models) tho the tyrants I wasnt a fan of and being metal so I ended up buying both the forge world tyrants that looked more from aliens, still love those models.
The FW Tyrants remain my favourite rendition of the Tyrant by far. I wish mine was in better shape.
I didn't get into Tyranids until 7th, despite doing Eldar from 3rd (missed most of 5th and 6th though, still dislike 5th especially).
Oh good dog this takes me back! I was 13 (so around 95 - 96) when I first discovered 40k, via WHFB and then Epic, so this hits me right in the nostalgia sac. I seriously miss the 2nd Ed vehicle damage tables and armour values as well as the pen values on anti armour weapons, a lascannon was very different to a multimelta for example and you could take melta and plasma missiles (and antiplant and all sorts of weird and wonderful grenades. I _loved_ hallucinogen grenades but virus and vortex grenades where banned) for your launchers as well as frag and super krak which is why I will always take them over anything but plasma. Ramble ramble ramble...
So are you going to do Dark Millenium too? I miss my big box of half the Amazon in dead trees.
Luca and i are the same age you learn something new every day
What a good guy dad. A lifelong hobby :)
2nd Edition was the last time Tyranids felt like Tyranids. They didn't get those strategy cards, but they might have a barbed strangler pod burst from your chest on turn 1 because Tyranids are supposed to make a planet's ecology turn against you.
They still had zoats and mind slaves back then too. You could crib other armies' troops because they'd been parasitized by a head crab, and this years before Halflife. :)
I still occasionally play with the 2nd edition card building ruins.
also do we!
They're good terrain pieces
you know that there is an abundance of editions when people are going back to earlier ones
I think it’s more that there have actually been 4 different games called 40k now. While 3-7th were evolutions of the same system 2nd was a totally different experience to play. As is 8/9th. Rouge trader is more of an RPG.
Web spinner was in between the Flamer/Heavy Flamer and was thinner. It had its own template.
So the Brets and Lizardmen were (re) introduced to WHFB in 1995 with the release of WHFB 5th edition, which means this particular 40k box set came from the middle to end of 2nd edition’s run (given the marketing insert features Brets and Lizardmen on its cover). 40k third I believe came out in 1998, so my guess would be 1996-98.
Swooping hawks grenades were in Eldar 2nd Edition book... and LR Crusader came out in 3rd when Black Templars got rules. (well actually the armageddon book like steve said between 2nd and 3rd, was like 2.85 lol) I started my Black Templars back from choosing them from the sucessors out of the 2nd Edition Ultramarine book. Lol.
I started with first, but you can’t imagine the excitement of buying this box. £20 for all of this.
It was 40 here in Sweden. This was a rough hobby to have as a kid
For 10 seconds I thought Luka did the sickest freehand I've ever seen
Yeah! I got that in about '96 '97! I lost so many parts right away
The gen I started 40k, still got some gen 3 and 4 models but I dont think I have any really old models anymore, and gen 2 was when I got heavily into my nids.
Also. The day when a tactical squad was a straight 300 points
Hahaha! Play space wolves wolf guard terminators with cyclone missile launcer (launching all missiles at once) and assault cannon! Lose all your friends in a single shooting phase ;D
Old school
A trip down memory lane
Actually our local game stores carried 40K and its predecessors. I do not think I mail ordered anything till after 2000 when the metals could not be gotten in the stores anymore. I started playing 1st edition RT, and switched to 2nd when it came out the same time I graduated high school.
QUESTION!
Steve wants more old Orks, but before I trundle into the garage to see what I've got out there ... does Luka need some old marine stuff as well? Be a bit of a shame to get one without the other. Help keep the campaign fair!
I remember that box. I read The stuff like a fanatic. I was young aswell. Like 12. It was a religion to me haha.
This is my era of 40k. Loved reading white dwarf and being excited about this game.
Now it just feels meh, models look like anime stuff and the space marines or chaos space marines is 90% of all the armies played.
I couldn’t wait to get my hands on the newest WD to read the battle reports. They used to write them so well during second and third edition. Kinda fell apart after that.
I had this box set years ago back in the 90’s lol 😂 I was 14 years old lol..
The linked templete was for a Thudd Gun. In addition, you are missing 1 sustained fire die.
Only missing the glorious Goblin Green bases rims!
@Luka - necrons have always been 'around' - they were released by GW in 1990 with 'Space Crusade' if memory serves - they were called various things including 'Chaos Androids' - - - I'd love to see you pick up a box of the original epic 40k 'Space Marine' box set too :)