Has to be said Moto Guzzi has never been about engines delivering silly amounts of power and top notch advanced electronic gadgets. It's more about the joy of a relaxed ride.
I currently own both the Ducati Multistrada V4s, and the Stelvio. Hands down I prefer the Stelvio, the Duc will be going up for sale soon. Bravo Moto Guzzi!!
@tigdurrant8939 The bikes are very different, the Ducati is smooth and powerful, but it is a big bike, I don't like how the engine is tuned, low end grunt is lacking, flywheels are to light. Gearing is extremely close and requires working the gears constantly. Front end feel can be vague at times. Guzzi, on the other hand, has good power, a wider more usable power band, better front end feel, and stability. The Guzzi is effortless to ride, while not as refined as the Duc, it is also 10k less expensive. Every individual is different, and we have to sync with the bike we ride, I just have not been able to sync 100% with the Duc. Guzzi has a couple of niggles, I have synced with it much better.
@@Motomack1042 I feel the same about my Multistrada 950 S. I love the bike, but I've been to to the Alps several times now, and I'm constantly changing between 1st and 2nd in the tight stuff. And on uphill hairpins, I even have to feather the clutch to keep it smooth.
Your reviews are so thorough and 'real world'. I have the standard V100 Mandello. I agree Guzzi should provide a 6.5" display on such a premium model. I'm very happy with the forks on the Mandello but I will swap out the rear shock as it is unnecessarily harsh. As for the sound the engine makes - it is absolutely glorious with the stock pipe, but almost impossible to reproduce in a UA-cam video.
Fantastic review. Just bought a v85TT last week and breakin the motorcycle. First time moto Guzzi owner based on your review. Loving it after owning Japanese bikes for the last years. Thanks for bringing in the emotions
Great review, for the price point I think it's a winner all day, I priced the GS and this fully loaded PFF version with panniers, top box , heated grips. It was way cheaper. BMW are over priced??? Engine size on the Stelvio is perfect for me. Its my next bike 😊
Saving up so I can upgrade my beloved 2016 Stelvio in 2025/26. I think they are on the right track. I just hope they dont completely lose the Guzziness in efforts to modernize their offerings.
Thanks for another interesting bike review. I would love to see you testing the new Africa Twin 2024 Adventure Sports (manual) with the 19 inches front wheel; best regards from Montreal.
I was very impressed by the V100 I rode last summer (brief test ride), everything from the fit/finish to the handling was a pleasure. The size of the TFT didn't even occur to me. Maybe it's because I don't ride every bike in a particular category, so I'm unable to compare, but I just go by what's in front of me, so if the screen works for me, I'm good to go. Thanks for the review!
Yes, agreed, I have to compare to what the other bikes are doing in the same category, that is the only reason I mentioned the "smaller" 5"TFT. It looks good and does everything one needs it to do 👍👍 Take care, Scott
"They just weren't selling..." Well, I suppose you could say that about all Moto Guzzi's😉, but the real reason the old Stelvio was discontinued was because the 4 valve 1200 couldn't meet new euro emissions standards. It's why the Griso and Norge were all discontinued as well...same engines, same problem. Throw in the ABS requirements, and Guzzi said, "We're done here!"
If that were the reason, they would have done what all the other OEMs do, (Honda/BMW/KTM/Triumph/Ducati/Yamaha) put the money into it and bring it up to current emission standards. Simple business case. Plus the 3 dealers I talked to said that they were "not selling". Also, every moto mag article I've read said the same thing, "not selling" enough. This is why I used the term "not selling", I didn't make it up, I got it from them. Take care, Scott
They all had or developed liquid cooled engines that could meet the standard. The Guzzi bikes weren’t great sellers so at the time it wasn’t worth developing a new powerplant.
Looks great to me love them guzzi v twins , they should be landing In Ireland mid march, so I’ll be getting a test ride on one 🫡👏👍🕺 Really enjoyed that vid , thanks Tony
Started riding in 1969 , without all the electronics. Never broke down because of all the gadgets. And never would have thought about extended warranty ever if it was available. Like I did on my 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES. But i would still love to own a MG. GREAT REVIEW THANKS
Good review. I like that you didn’t say anything thing patently stupid, like some of your UA-cam competitors. To make your videos even better, try not to say, “shall we”. I guess I have a pet pet about it, but I counted at least 5 uses in this video! Looking forward to the Tracer video.
Given its engine size, power & price, I reckon the Stelvio is more of a competitor for the Vstrom 1050, the Africa Twin, F900GS & Multistrada V2 than the boxer GS, Multistrada V4 & Super Adventure S...
This is why I started out the video with the V85TT in the background, a 850cc and that competes with the V2/900GS and this is according to Moto Guzzi the replacement for the 1200 Stelvio and they "say" competes with the V4/1300GS and this weights more than those...so...logic. 👍😊 Take care, Scott
@@NothingToProveFair enough but it does seem the V85 sits more in Vstrom 800, Transalp & F800GS territory. All this makes me wonder why Guzzi didn't make the new unit a 1200 to start with...
Thanks for another great and consistent review! I went straight to the 9 minute mark to learn about the wind noise on the bike :) (Looks like the RT is the only option here especially since we don't get the NT1100 in the US. Even the K1600 seems to be hit or miss)
Thanks for yet another great review. The price of the stelvio is great even in the Netherlands so much bang for the buck. It is a nice looking motor and has all the options I want/need when they at more stuff and electric suspension than the price is too close to the competition. Maybe I will trade in my 5 year old full option gs 1250 for a brand new stelvio and pay almost nothing for this swap.
Muy buen video y una moto preciosa. Estoy esperando a que la traigan a Zaragoza (España) para verla e incluso probarla. Acabo de comprar una piaggio beverly 400 S nueva y es la tercera beverly que tengo. Así que muy contento con el grupo piaggio. Muchas gracias por los subtitulos en español. Un saludo enorme desde España 👍🏻✌🏻🙋🏻
Acheter un 1300 gs, et aller ensuite faire l’essai de la STELVIO , et les comparer n’est pas fair play. Il y a un tel écart de prix qu’elles ne sont pas dans le même combat. Mais la guzzi gagne haut la main , en rapport qualité /prix.
I had the old Stelvio for a couple of years and it turned into love/hate relationship. Fabulous bike to ride and a beautiful layout. But parts are stupidly expensive and hard to get hold of. It's Piaggio owned, so serviced at scooter shops by scooter mechanics. The camshafts turned into chocolate in literally one day and gave me a £2500 bill. And MG are notorious for their bad warranty. This new one looks gorgeous and I would be in the market for one if it wasn't for the issues I had with the old one.
Great Review.. I’m getting closer to my first Guzzi purchase, the Mandello or this….. ah choices. One thing. Kinda wish moto guzzi on the afore mentioned would integrate their cables into the handlebars, thus cleaning up the look.. Keep on the Great work. T
PS: A few years ago I bought the Aprilia Caponord Rally for the sound! Aprilia/Guzzi sound like heaven...there is NO comparison. When you accelerate all your body is laughing like a kid on the rollercoaster 🎢
Not sure what Ducati you're mentioning in the video. I have a Moto Guzzi V7. Fantastic charismatic bike. Then I bought a new Ducati 950 Multistrada. Couldn't sell it back to the dealer fast enough! No soul, top heavy, sounds like a bag full of rusty nails, uncomfortable for me( for passenger ok), no bottom torque. Disappointed as I had one back in 1982 and liked it. Bought a BMW R1250R. The bike brought back my love for riding! Never again Ducati! Not sure if I'll ever get another bike again, but if I do, it would be a Moto Guzzi for sure!
Rode a Multistrada V2 last autumn. Didn´t like it. Too cramped for my length and top heavy, like you mentioned. Pretty underwhelming. Looking too buy a KTM 1290SAS this spring.
@@AndersPetersson79 I'm pretty tall too. Couldn't take more than 20minutes in that saddle! Extremely uncomfortable. And that sound - or rather the absence of the sound.. Lost a big chunk of money selling it back to the dealer but good riddance!
Thanks. You present very well. I was really hoping to be a Guzzi owner for the 1st time. I personally didn't have a good manufacturer and dealer experience so decided to go for the GS (1250) which I love. A shame in a way as the Stelvio looks good and that engine is certainly proving itself.
Scott, the more heavy bikes you test, the less kilo‘s YOU have. Don‘t forget the sweet s(l)ides of life! Very informative and entertaining video as always, well done!
I love this Stelvio, but I haven’t tested it yet... can’t wait 😀I think Guzzi comes with a very good alternative to the other big European Adventure bikes that are really getting way to expensive to my opinion. Congratulation Guzzi, I’m really very hot to trade my KTM 1290 SuperAdventure R for this one... 🤗 ,
Wonderful review!! My only complain is that (at least in the video) you didn't rev the bike more than 4-5000 rpms. And the power in this bike is above the rpms you rode it. I believe you would love the engine even more. Also i believe that in comparison to Mandello , Stelvio has different gears in transmission ... 1st and 2nd gears look much longer than in Mandello.
Thank you. Umm...I went past 7k several times even in the video, sometimes it's hard to see the tachometer. Also, 90% of torque is at 3,500 RPM. So from 3500 = 90% to 6500 = 100%. That is the sweet spot and I didn't want to rev the snot out of an engine that is not broke in yet. Take care, Scott
Great video Scott, It seems the Stelvio even being a new bike with new motor and suspension still needs some refinement to catch up with the other boys..AT, VStrom, GS, Explorer etc...
Less electronics the better in my opinion. Less stuff to go wrong. The stelvio looks fantastic. If the Moto Guzzi dealer in my area had good customer service I would consider one.
I have had about gobs of bikes in my life. I LOVE that they resisted keyless. I am glad that they went with a manually adjustable suspension. I prefer that over electronic. I would have liked to have seen the 3 point "star" adjustment petals, though. A 7 gallon tank would be sweet for the extra range and wind protection a bigger tank provides. I guess I am old because I never use a quick-shifter even if it is equipped. So the lack of one here doesn't bother me personally. The worst thing about this bike IMO is the lack of range on the windscreen adjustment. I love BMW power windscreens and their wide range of adjustability. Guzzi seemed to have designed theirs as an afterthought.
Scott, you are the second reviewer I watched who giggles like a kid at every twist of the throttle. That alone is motivation to check out the Stelvio. I had the same impression about the small display on the V100. I hope a bigger one doesn't come tied with expensive version. I am wondering what you think of the radar equipped Stelvio.
Great review, a little bigger tank for me, electronic suspension, + some improvements on the wind protection and MG should be a winner ! Italians always do right with exhaust notes.
Locally the Stelvio sells for 15.5k and the 1300 GS sells for 26k. You'll never find a base price and equipped GS here in New England. I see the Stelvio as a bargain; especially if you're like me and consider 115hp and 77ftlbs of torque to be plenty.
That's why I'd buy the Stelvio. It's too heavy to take down some busted arzz road. But would make a great touring platform. Overall, as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing.
Loving when a bike makes you laugh! 👍👍 Indeed a tempting bike this Stelvio (not sure it's fair to compare it with the GS though) - Scott what's your view drawing a parallel with a Multi V2S? I'm with you on two things for sure: lower weight and active suspensions...A deal breaker? Maybe not, all considered based on your review, but when you're used to both, you kinda want it on all the bikes you think you'll buy 😂❤
Great review, thanks - nice to see one that's not from the recent launch in Spain! I have a '22 V85TT and love it - traded up from a V7iii with no regrets. I have no issues with the smaller display, I think it's 4.3"? All the info I need, very readable and I like the layout - I have pretty bad presbyopia and have no problem reading it without glasses. The only reason I'd like a larger display would be to integrate the warning lights around the small one, but that's really a nitpick. In response to another comment, the '24 V85 has some major changes: the new display and variable valve timing to name just 2.
Thank you. Yes, your 22 V85TT has a 4.3"TFT, the new 24 V85TT & Stelvio have a 5"TFT. Yea, I'm looking forward to doing a review of the new 24 V85! Take care, Scott
Great review Scott - thank you. Does Guzzi have the km and time based ECU maintenance alerts that have to be reset by the dealer? This is an infuriating thing for me, as someone who does not take the bike to the dealer for service, but it is getting more and more popular with the euro brands in particular. This is something that should be covered in new bike reviews as it is becoming more and more engrained as time goes on.
Great review, but I think buying the Stelvio is as much about taste and brand and less about the numbers, by the way have you ever tested the Yamaha Super Tenere ? The buyers of the Stelvio and the Super Tenere are more about the feel and reliability than speed, also remember that those bikes you seam to prefer are much more expensive, also the few kg difference you really don’t feel when they are rolling.
The design, especially from the side is wicked! Love it! So happy now that MG is making the effort to be at least a little more competitive and up to date in their own way. Their brand and history is a big seller for me. Now they need to work on making their V7 a little bigger. Dislike the spindly front suspension and tire they have on that thing. That said Im a sucker for a transverse twin. Just get a real kick out of being able to see the motor like you do when youre sitting on one.
Very good review! I would NEVER buy a bike with radar controlled cruise control--why in the world would anyone want to base their bike speed on the car in front of them? Have it on my car (Honda--all all models have this) and I hate it with a passion! I will not keep that Honda for that very reason--motorcycles do not need electronics controlling their movements--very dangerous in my opinion.
Amen to what you said. This absolute garbage tech is ruining new vehicles. Fortunately with bikes they don't need to try for ANCAP. Our safety rating system pushing car makers to put more and more of this nonsense on cars. It's why I absolutely will not by a car newer that what is currently 5 years old. New cars are about as appealing as drinking a cold glass of sick.
Good video I’ve got to agree with you on the wind protection. I also will agree with you on the premium motorcycle. Stelvio is down on horsepower. Also, it’s only a little bit more than the Suzuki V Strom 1050 on horsepower. it would be nice if it had a quick shifter even the Suzuki V Strom has that now that is the 1050. Enjoying your Sensi humor made me laugh.
Great looking bike but strange that my ride the Multi V2S was not included in your spec sheet, similar power and road biased but a lot lighter and a v twin even if it is in line with the frame. Certainly trying one of these next change…
Well, I've been on many trips (loaded down with luggage) to the Alps and been on many harsh roads with my non-adjustable front suspension BMW 900XR to where I wished I could soften the compression and rebound and change the pre-preload. Sure one or two days of it was ok but after that it just really sucked, bad enough to where it was my number one driver for me to get ride of the 900XR after the second summer and second long trip to the Alps. Never again will I own a non-adjustable suspension. Manual is the minimum, electronic is better cause then I can change on the fly as the road surface changes. Having the suspension match the road surface, more tire patch contact, is a good thing. Take care, Scott
@@NothingToProveI agree 100%! I have a Tiger GT Explorer and the electronic suspension is so comfortable, you can set it to corner like it's on rails or be as comfortable as a lazy boy recliner. It really makes a difference after a long multi-day trip when everything hurts and you can set it to be nice and plush to get home in comfort!
Hi Scott, Thanks for the Stelvio review. I think the V100 Mandello S, has the same power train, so it sounds similar or equal to this Stelvio, or is it different? I think, if I’d go for a Guzzi, between this two, my choice would be for the Mandello which by the way is equipped with electronic suspension, I believe. Cheers and hope the weather cooperates!
I don't consider a manual adjustable suspension a negative. Simpler is more reliable in my opinion. I wouldn't call it a fair contest to compare a 1041cc v-twin to a 1300cc boxer or a v4. More expensive bikes will have a more sophisticated package. To me it's a clean, compelling design.
Yes, it's a smaller engine, 1042cc, but it's also heavier and physically bigger then the two you mentioned. So, it's a draw...well really not the Guzzi should be in a bigger class, more with the Versys 1000/V-Strom 1050/Super Tenere 1200. Those 3 are more in line with less tech, less power and more weight but hey it's unfair to compare a European brand with other European brands, should stick to comparing to the Japanese brands 🤣 But if you are buying a Guzzi, numbers really don't matter and I'd take this over almost all the others but I love Guzzi's, probably buy one next year. Take care, Scott
Just FYI: I know that official KTM 1290 price is kinda high, but it feels like noone actually paying it. Cause they have discounts almost always, especially on previous year model (which are 100% same, except color) Last year, i got my 2022 SAS for 17500€ base price (from KTM Berlin). And with that info it became very competitive with Stelvio, cause KTM have adaptive cruise and electro suspension in base spec.
The face and general lines of the new Stelvio remind me of the Caponord ETV1000, a great great bike. Hopefully the Stelvio will get the same ‘Rally Raid’ treatment as the Aprilia did so it can comfortably compete with the more off-road oriented offerings from other brands. The Ohlins suspension on the Mandello is redundant, to put it politely. Don’t really see it adding much value to the Stelvio either.
I've always said, don't compare a Moto Guzzi with any other bike, it's a Moto Guzzi. Plus ,I wouldn't want to pay extra for something I can easily do by hand, if you know how to set suspension electronic is just a lazy unnecessary expense, bike are already getting ridiculously expensive without the added costs of 'trick bling'.
It is for me, my eye sight is not what it used to be and I wear reading glasses but reading glasses under a helmet just don't work that well and the distance that a display is from the rider is in that zone to where it's not close enough to use them. Take care, Scott
Well i am kind of small (176 cm) and i am searching for a bike for traveling with cardan shaft (Hopefully said that right in English :D) and this bike seems to be like THE bike.
Aggressively priced in Canada at $19k but I must have ESA like my BMW for me to I consider it. But would but this over the Honda AT Love the 19/17 wheel Some reviewers have mentioned that it is a bit too heavy so not ideal for me. Can add the quick shifter
Has to be said Moto Guzzi has never been about engines delivering silly amounts of power and top notch advanced electronic gadgets. It's more about the joy of a relaxed ride.
I currently own both the Ducati Multistrada V4s, and the Stelvio. Hands down I prefer the Stelvio, the Duc will be going up for sale soon. Bravo Moto Guzzi!!
Can you explain your reasoning please. Im very interested to know how it compares 😎
@tigdurrant8939 The bikes are very different, the Ducati is smooth and powerful, but it is a big bike, I don't like how the engine is tuned, low end grunt is lacking, flywheels are to light. Gearing is extremely close and requires working the gears constantly. Front end feel can be vague at times. Guzzi, on the other hand, has good power, a wider more usable power band, better front end feel, and stability. The Guzzi is effortless to ride, while not as refined as the Duc, it is also 10k less expensive. Every individual is different, and we have to sync with the bike we ride, I just have not been able to sync 100% with the Duc. Guzzi has a couple of niggles, I have synced with it much better.
@@Motomack1042 I feel the same about my Multistrada 950 S. I love the bike, but I've been to to the Alps several times now, and I'm constantly changing between 1st and 2nd in the tight stuff. And on uphill hairpins, I even have to feather the clutch to keep it smooth.
I think BMW & KTM would need some Italian designers.
The Ducati and this one are really nice.
It doesn't have a beak. I'm sold!
one of if not the best looking in the segment
I would have the Stelvio over the GS. One because it's a Guzzi and two because it's not a BMW. It has character and that equals fun.
Couldn't agree more!
No and most people must be agreeing since these are already discounted here and te BMW is out of stock and far more populiar
I think the exhaust swap to the left on the BMW was before the liquid cooled boxer. A year or two before im sure.
Considering that a Multistrada 1200S weight was 224K fully loaded, this engine is a pig.
This is my #1 choice. I am not so big on needing electronic suspension. Drives the price point up and it is not necessary
Has its pluses. No f$&king around with spanners when you load up your bike, to set the preload.
@@martyn_g I thought it had dialed adjustable preload
Guzzi is pure emotions. ❤ And now ppl starts to recognize it in masses..
Your reviews are so thorough and 'real world'. I have the standard V100 Mandello. I agree Guzzi should provide a 6.5" display on such a premium model. I'm very happy with the forks on the Mandello but I will swap out the rear shock as it is unnecessarily harsh.
As for the sound the engine makes - it is absolutely glorious with the stock pipe, but almost impossible to reproduce in a UA-cam video.
Fantastic review. Just bought a v85TT last week and breakin the motorcycle. First time moto Guzzi owner based on your review. Loving it after owning Japanese bikes for the last years. Thanks for bringing in the emotions
I doubt you'll ever look back.
Guzzi is real emotions!
Great review, for the price point I think it's a winner all day, I priced the GS and this fully loaded PFF version with panniers, top box , heated grips. It was way cheaper. BMW are over priced??? Engine size on the Stelvio is perfect for me. Its my next bike 😊
Thanks, great review as always. Two thumbs up.
I have the v100 and I’m with you, the moment they’ll put an electric suspension I’ll get the Stelvio
I was waiting for this eagerly. Amazing review and thank you Scott.
That's a great looking bike. Always had a soft spot for Guzzi's since I heard that Daytona 1000 roar by all those years ago.
That drivetrain is such a gem
I genuinely learned something new today. That bit of exhaust trivia was interesting, and makes total sense!
Saving up so I can upgrade my beloved 2016 Stelvio in 2025/26. I think they are on the right track. I just hope they dont completely lose the Guzziness in efforts to modernize their offerings.
Great review Scott. As always. Thank you.
Definition of a maniac: Someone who doesn't buy engine guards for the Stelvio. I love Guzzis. They can run on industrial candle wax
Today I’m picking up my GS1300 719ed and selling my V85TT. I loved the Guzzi for what it was but now happy I didn’t wait for the Stelvio
Thanks for another interesting bike review. I would love to see you testing the new Africa Twin 2024 Adventure Sports (manual) with the 19 inches front wheel; best regards from Montreal.
Lovely bike with two advantages over the GS, character and value for money.
I was very impressed by the V100 I rode last summer (brief test ride), everything from the fit/finish to the handling was a pleasure. The size of the TFT didn't even occur to me. Maybe it's because I don't ride every bike in a particular category, so I'm unable to compare, but I just go by what's in front of me, so if the screen works for me, I'm good to go. Thanks for the review!
Well said sir 👏
Yes, agreed, I have to compare to what the other bikes are doing in the same category, that is the only reason I mentioned the "smaller" 5"TFT. It looks good and does everything one needs it to do 👍👍
Take care,
Scott
"They just weren't selling..." Well, I suppose you could say that about all Moto Guzzi's😉, but the real reason the old Stelvio was discontinued was because the 4 valve 1200 couldn't meet new euro emissions standards. It's why the Griso and Norge were all discontinued as well...same engines, same problem. Throw in the ABS requirements, and Guzzi said, "We're done here!"
If that were the reason, they would have done what all the other OEMs do, (Honda/BMW/KTM/Triumph/Ducati/Yamaha) put the money into it and bring it up to current emission standards. Simple business case. Plus the 3 dealers I talked to said that they were "not selling". Also, every moto mag article I've read said the same thing, "not selling" enough. This is why I used the term "not selling", I didn't make it up, I got it from them.
Take care,
Scott
They had ABS.
They all had or developed liquid cooled engines that could meet the standard.
The Guzzi bikes weren’t great sellers so at the time it wasn’t worth developing a new powerplant.
I've been waiting for this review from you. Nicely done!
100HP is more than enough power 💪
Looks great to me love them guzzi v twins , they should be landing In Ireland mid march, so I’ll be getting a test ride on one 🫡👏👍🕺
Really enjoyed that vid , thanks Tony
Great presentation Scott! Your excitement always verifies a competent motorcycle worthy of thumbs way up high 🤙🤙
Thanks! 👍
Fantastic to see you again. Looking forward to many reviews.Love them. Greetings from Switzerland.Tomaso de Grosso
Hey, thanks!
Scott
Gorgeus bike! Looks like no other and that's in a good way.
Electronic suspension and quick shifter. Not worried about the big screen. This is the best looking adv bike out there.
Started riding in 1969 , without all the electronics. Never broke down because of all the gadgets. And never would have thought about extended warranty ever if it was available. Like I did on my 22 AT DCT ADVENTURE ES. But i would still love to own a MG.
GREAT REVIEW
THANKS
I was waiting for this .......not disappointed.
Great video as usual
The Stelvio looks really nice. I’ve never ridden a guzzi but I’d love to give it a test ride..
Good review. I like that you didn’t say anything thing patently stupid, like some of your UA-cam competitors.
To make your videos even better, try not to say, “shall we”. I guess I have a pet pet about it, but I counted at least 5 uses in this video!
Looking forward to the Tracer video.
Thank you, I try to not say stupid things...just don't talk to my wife 😂🤣
Given its engine size, power & price, I reckon the Stelvio is more of a competitor for the Vstrom 1050, the Africa Twin, F900GS & Multistrada V2 than the boxer GS, Multistrada V4 & Super Adventure S...
This is why I started out the video with the V85TT in the background, a 850cc and that competes with the V2/900GS and this is according to Moto Guzzi the replacement for the 1200 Stelvio and they "say" competes with the V4/1300GS and this weights more than those...so...logic. 👍😊
Take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProveFair enough but it does seem the V85 sits more in Vstrom 800, Transalp & F800GS territory. All this makes me wonder why Guzzi didn't make the new unit a 1200 to start with...
@@TheLudojay Yea, I wished they had made it a 1200 😒😒
Very informative as always ! Cool, after my 900XR probably my next bike.
BMW GS seems grotesque and absurdly large. Stelvio is just right and a great value. The right bike for independent thinkers. Guzzi has soul.
Thanks for another great and consistent review! I went straight to the 9 minute mark to learn about the wind noise on the bike :) (Looks like the RT is the only option here especially since we don't get the NT1100 in the US. Even the K1600 seems to be hit or miss)
Thanks for yet another great review. The price of the stelvio is great even in the Netherlands so much bang for the buck. It is a nice looking motor and has all the options I want/need when they at more stuff and electric suspension than the price is too close to the competition.
Maybe I will trade in my 5 year old full option gs 1250 for a brand new stelvio and pay almost nothing for this swap.
Muy buen video y una moto preciosa.
Estoy esperando a que la traigan a Zaragoza (España) para verla e incluso probarla.
Acabo de comprar una piaggio beverly 400 S nueva y es la tercera beverly que tengo. Así que muy contento con el grupo piaggio.
Muchas gracias por los subtitulos en español.
Un saludo enorme desde España 👍🏻✌🏻🙋🏻
Love love the styling
Acheter un 1300 gs, et aller ensuite faire l’essai de la STELVIO , et les comparer n’est pas fair play. Il y a un tel écart de prix qu’elles ne sont pas dans le même combat. Mais la guzzi gagne haut la main , en rapport qualité /prix.
I had the old Stelvio for a couple of years and it turned into love/hate relationship. Fabulous bike to ride and a beautiful layout. But parts are stupidly expensive and hard to get hold of. It's Piaggio owned, so serviced at scooter shops by scooter mechanics. The camshafts turned into chocolate in literally one day and gave me a £2500 bill. And MG are notorious for their bad warranty. This new one looks gorgeous and I would be in the market for one if it wasn't for the issues I had with the old one.
Great Review.. I’m getting closer to my first Guzzi purchase, the Mandello or this….. ah choices.
One thing. Kinda wish moto guzzi on the afore mentioned would integrate their cables into the handlebars, thus cleaning up the look..
Keep on the Great work.
T
On the flipside they will be easier to replace.
best reviewer on this bike. thank you. 🎉
Fantastic review, as always..!,
Looks GREAT!
PS: A few years ago I bought the Aprilia Caponord Rally for the sound! Aprilia/Guzzi sound like heaven...there is NO comparison. When you accelerate all your body is laughing like a kid on the rollercoaster 🎢
Not sure what Ducati you're mentioning in the video. I have a Moto Guzzi V7. Fantastic charismatic bike. Then I bought a new Ducati 950 Multistrada. Couldn't sell it back to the dealer fast enough! No soul, top heavy, sounds like a bag full of rusty nails, uncomfortable for me( for passenger ok), no bottom torque. Disappointed as I had one back in 1982 and liked it. Bought a BMW R1250R. The bike brought back my love for riding! Never again Ducati! Not sure if I'll ever get another bike again, but if I do, it would be a Moto Guzzi for sure!
Rode a Multistrada V2 last autumn. Didn´t like it. Too cramped for my length and top heavy, like you mentioned. Pretty underwhelming. Looking too buy a KTM 1290SAS this spring.
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@@NothingToProve Ok, thanks! Makes sense.
@@AndersPetersson79 I'm pretty tall too. Couldn't take more than 20minutes in that saddle! Extremely uncomfortable. And that sound - or rather the absence of the sound.. Lost a big chunk of money selling it back to the dealer but good riddance!
Thanks. You present very well. I was really hoping to be a Guzzi owner for the 1st time. I personally didn't have a good manufacturer and dealer experience so decided to go for the GS (1250) which I love. A shame in a way as the Stelvio looks good and that engine is certainly proving itself.
Scott, the more heavy bikes you test, the less kilo‘s YOU have. Don‘t forget the sweet s(l)ides of life! Very informative and entertaining video as always, well done!
Danke Marcel! I like this bike! Once I sell the 1300GS, I think I'll consider this to be my next NTP Project bike 😊👍
I love this Stelvio, but I haven’t tested it yet... can’t wait 😀I think Guzzi comes with a very good alternative to the other big European Adventure bikes that are really getting way to expensive to my opinion. Congratulation Guzzi, I’m really very hot to trade my KTM 1290 SuperAdventure R for this one... 🤗 ,
Wonderful review!! My only complain is that (at least in the video) you didn't rev the bike more than 4-5000 rpms. And the power in this bike is above the rpms you rode it. I believe you would love the engine even more. Also i believe that in comparison to Mandello , Stelvio has different gears in transmission ... 1st and 2nd gears look much longer than in Mandello.
Thank you.
Umm...I went past 7k several times even in the video, sometimes it's hard to see the tachometer.
Also, 90% of torque is at 3,500 RPM. So from 3500 = 90% to 6500 = 100%. That is the sweet spot and I didn't want to rev the snot out of an engine that is not broke in yet.
Take care,
Scott
Great video Scott,
It seems the Stelvio even being a new bike with new motor and suspension still needs some refinement to catch up with the other boys..AT, VStrom, GS, Explorer etc...
the windshield that would me hold up, nice video
Less electronics the better in my opinion. Less stuff to go wrong. The stelvio looks fantastic. If the Moto Guzzi dealer in my area had good customer service I would consider one.
Moto Guzzi makes the pacchetto completo. They don't try and compete with others, they do their own thing.
Thats why we keep buying them.
I have had about gobs of bikes in my life. I LOVE that they resisted keyless. I am glad that they went with a manually adjustable suspension. I prefer that over electronic. I would have liked to have seen the 3 point "star" adjustment petals, though. A 7 gallon tank would be sweet for the extra range and wind protection a bigger tank provides. I guess I am old because I never use a quick-shifter even if it is equipped. So the lack of one here doesn't bother me personally. The worst thing about this bike IMO is the lack of range on the windscreen adjustment. I love BMW power windscreens and their wide range of adjustability. Guzzi seemed to have designed theirs as an afterthought.
Scott, you are the second reviewer I watched who giggles like a kid at every twist of the throttle. That alone is motivation to check out the Stelvio.
I had the same impression about the small display on the V100. I hope a bigger one doesn't come tied with expensive version.
I am wondering what you think of the radar equipped Stelvio.
Great review, a little bigger tank for me, electronic suspension, + some improvements on the wind protection and MG should be a winner ! Italians always do right with exhaust notes.
Locally the Stelvio sells for 15.5k and the 1300 GS sells for 26k. You'll never find a base price and equipped GS here in New England. I see the Stelvio as a bargain; especially if you're like me and consider 115hp and 77ftlbs of torque to be plenty.
The GS is not an adventurebike anymore 😞 , it is a touringsportbike now .
That's why I'd buy the Stelvio. It's too heavy to take down some busted arzz road. But would make a great touring platform. Overall, as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing.
Up there with the Africa Twin for great looks.
i am a guzzi fan i love it❤
TDM headlight (which is good) but a little bit...short bike. Don't you think?
But overall a nice looking machine (100 times better than the 1300GS)
Loving when a bike makes you laugh! 👍👍 Indeed a tempting bike this Stelvio (not sure it's fair to compare it with the GS though) - Scott what's your view drawing a parallel with a Multi V2S? I'm with you on two things for sure: lower weight and active suspensions...A deal breaker? Maybe not, all considered based on your review, but when you're used to both, you kinda want it on all the bikes you think you'll buy 😂❤
Great review, thanks - nice to see one that's not from the recent launch in Spain! I have a '22 V85TT and love it - traded up from a V7iii with no regrets. I have no issues with the smaller display, I think it's 4.3"? All the info I need, very readable and I like the layout - I have pretty bad presbyopia and have no problem reading it without glasses. The only reason I'd like a larger display would be to integrate the warning lights around the small one, but that's really a nitpick. In response to another comment, the '24 V85 has some major changes: the new display and variable valve timing to name just 2.
Thank you.
Yes, your 22 V85TT has a 4.3"TFT, the new 24 V85TT & Stelvio have a 5"TFT. Yea, I'm looking forward to doing a review of the new 24 V85!
Take care,
Scott
Great review Scott - thank you. Does Guzzi have the km and time based ECU maintenance alerts that have to be reset by the dealer? This is an infuriating thing for me, as someone who does not take the bike to the dealer for service, but it is getting more and more popular with the euro brands in particular. This is something that should be covered in new bike reviews as it is becoming more and more engrained as time goes on.
Great review, but I think buying the Stelvio is as much about taste and brand and less about the numbers, by the way have you ever tested the Yamaha Super Tenere ? The buyers of the Stelvio and the Super Tenere are more about the feel and reliability than speed, also remember that those bikes you seam to prefer are much more expensive, also the few kg difference you really don’t feel when they are rolling.
The design, especially from the side is wicked! Love it! So happy now that MG is making the effort to be at least a little more competitive and up to date in their own way. Their brand and history is a big seller for me. Now they need to work on making their V7 a little bigger. Dislike the spindly front suspension and tire they have on that thing. That said Im a sucker for a transverse twin. Just get a real kick out of being able to see the motor like you do when youre sitting on one.
Very good review! I would NEVER buy a bike with radar controlled cruise control--why in the world would anyone want to base their bike speed on the car in front of them? Have it on my car (Honda--all all models have this) and I hate it with a passion! I will not keep that Honda for that very reason--motorcycles do not need electronics controlling their movements--very dangerous in my opinion.
Amen to what you said. This absolute garbage tech is ruining new vehicles. Fortunately with bikes they don't need to try for ANCAP. Our safety rating system pushing car makers to put more and more of this nonsense on cars. It's why I absolutely will not by a car newer that what is currently 5 years old. New cars are about as appealing as drinking a cold glass of sick.
Really nice machine, well done moto guzzi...
Good video I’ve got to agree with you on the wind protection. I also will agree with you on the premium motorcycle. Stelvio is down on horsepower. Also, it’s only a little bit more than the Suzuki V Strom 1050 on horsepower. it would be nice if it had a quick shifter even the Suzuki V Strom has that now that is the 1050. Enjoying your Sensi humor made me laugh.
Great looking bike but strange that my ride the Multi V2S was not included in your spec sheet, similar power and road biased but a lot lighter and a v twin even if it is in line with the frame. Certainly trying one of these next change…
The V2S is on the middleweight ADV chart, right next to the V85TT.
A carefully designed fork by good engineers does not even need the possibility to adjust it! Electronic suspension is just an expensive gimmick.
and something else to go wrong! Tried the Tiger and 1300GS and too much tech for me.
Well, I've been on many trips (loaded down with luggage) to the Alps and been on many harsh roads with my non-adjustable front suspension BMW 900XR to where I wished I could soften the compression and rebound and change the pre-preload. Sure one or two days of it was ok but after that it just really sucked, bad enough to where it was my number one driver for me to get ride of the 900XR after the second summer and second long trip to the Alps. Never again will I own a non-adjustable suspension. Manual is the minimum, electronic is better cause then I can change on the fly as the road surface changes. Having the suspension match the road surface, more tire patch contact, is a good thing.
Take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProveI agree 100%! I have a Tiger GT Explorer and the electronic suspension is so comfortable, you can set it to corner like it's on rails or be as comfortable as a lazy boy recliner. It really makes a difference after a long multi-day trip when everything hurts and you can set it to be nice and plush to get home in comfort!
Hi Scott,
Thanks for the Stelvio review.
I think the V100 Mandello S, has the same power train, so it sounds similar or equal to this Stelvio, or is it different?
I think, if I’d go for a Guzzi, between this two, my choice would be for the Mandello which by the way is equipped with electronic suspension, I believe.
Cheers and hope the weather cooperates!
Thank you! Yes, same powertrain and yes, the Mandello S has the electronic suspension, so they'll just put that suspension on this 👍👍
Take care,
Scott
Thanks for the video. To me, I would buy it if they have provided electronic suspensions. So let’s wait the next version !
Next year...at least that's what Moto Guzzi is saying 👍👍
I don't consider a manual adjustable suspension a negative. Simpler is more reliable in my opinion. I wouldn't call it a fair contest to compare a 1041cc v-twin to a 1300cc boxer or a v4. More expensive bikes will have a more sophisticated package. To me it's a clean, compelling design.
Yes, it's a smaller engine, 1042cc, but it's also heavier and physically bigger then the two you mentioned. So, it's a draw...well really not the Guzzi should be in a bigger class, more with the Versys 1000/V-Strom 1050/Super Tenere 1200. Those 3 are more in line with less tech, less power and more weight but hey it's unfair to compare a European brand with other European brands, should stick to comparing to the Japanese brands 🤣
But if you are buying a Guzzi, numbers really don't matter and I'd take this over almost all the others but I love Guzzi's, probably buy one next year.
Take care,
Scott
I prefer to have fewer electronics. So thumb up.
Great review & great looking bike, it's a shame it's got no real off road capabilities.
I'd take the BMW GS any day if money wasn't an issue... lol
Even if they were the same price, I would still take the Guzzi. I am not a fan of the waterboxers, still love my airhead GS though.
I own a 2022 V85TT and 2018 V7III. I find the Stelvio interesting, but my closest dealer is dropping the entire Paggio line.
Just FYI:
I know that official KTM 1290 price is kinda high, but it feels like noone actually paying it. Cause they have discounts almost always, especially on previous year model (which are 100% same, except color)
Last year, i got my 2022 SAS for 17500€ base price (from KTM Berlin).
And with that info it became very competitive with Stelvio, cause KTM have adaptive cruise and electro suspension in base spec.
The face and general lines of the new Stelvio remind me of the Caponord ETV1000, a great great bike. Hopefully the Stelvio will get the same ‘Rally Raid’ treatment as the Aprilia did so it can comfortably compete with the more off-road oriented offerings from other brands.
The Ohlins suspension on the Mandello is redundant, to put it politely. Don’t really see it adding much value to the Stelvio either.
Excellent review!! You are so lucky to have had the opportunity to test drive!! Will the electronic suspension make so much difference? Why?
Yes, it does! I used to think that it does not matter but then I started riding bikes with it. I'll never go back to manual.
Nice review and I have always liked Guzzi but I would never buy an Italian ADV bike even for light weight ADV duties every now and then
I've always said, don't compare a Moto Guzzi with any other bike, it's a Moto Guzzi.
Plus ,I wouldn't want to pay extra for something I can easily do by hand, if you know how to set suspension electronic is just a lazy unnecessary expense, bike are already getting ridiculously expensive without the added costs of 'trick bling'.
Hello Scott , where do you have more emotions. Stelvio or 85 tt ? ✌️
Stelvio 👍👍👍👍
Exhaust is on the other to the swingarm to balance the weight
Some integrated crash bars would also be welcomed
I'm old school. Why is a big screen so important?
It is for me, my eye sight is not what it used to be and I wear reading glasses but reading glasses under a helmet just don't work that well and the distance that a display is from the rider is in that zone to where it's not close enough to use them.
Take care,
Scott
My 2023 1250 R/T has rattles up front too I can hear them the saddle bag left side is also loose in the mount.
Dash screen size should be diopter-dependent, I guess? 5in +/- 1in per D.
Or just wear glasses/lenses/lasic, as per the road rules.
Well i am kind of small (176 cm) and i am searching for a bike for traveling with cardan shaft (Hopefully said that right in English :D) and this bike seems to be like THE bike.
Why you have Super Tenere on the list since it's not offered for the last couple years....
Woooow!❤
Man that looks raked out. I read the GS is 261KG with all the add ons. Not including luggage and bars
Lovely bike but why didnt you rev it more? Guzzis love to rev and there was a lot of short shifting going on. Great review though thanks.
The bike was not broke-in yet. I was the second person on it, the head mechanic was the first, so I was being nice to the dealership 😊
it's good that they expect you to drive a stelvio into the mud so you have to push it out
Aggressively priced in Canada at $19k but I must have ESA like my BMW for me to I consider it. But would but this over the Honda AT
Love the 19/17 wheel Some reviewers have mentioned that it is a bit too heavy so not ideal for me.
Can add the quick shifter