Yh his complaints seem like he doesn’t like the way tekken 8 gameplay is reduced to 50/50 brain dead gameplay which is pretty much every char in this game now
Just to clarify. It was hard to tell while live but I understand his complaints are about the tekken 8 way of playing Lee with brain dead 50/50’s only (b33) and no actual game knowledge, sadly this seems like the case with almost all the characters in this game
Thanks for clarifying. I was about to ask if anyone actually bothered listening to TMM's video because it seems like a lot of people really think he was complaining about the character. They just read the title and make assumptions with their 2 collective braincells.
If you are a Lee player with no style you should be banished to the shadow realm. Lee is a character of class so toxicity should be out of the picture.
"You wanna poke with Jack? man shut yo dumbass up here have a stance with no lows in it so you cant even mix nobody. better yet go play Zafina or some shit, damn"
I'm glad he made the distinction between T8 Lee players and the rest of us, because it feels like everyone learned the matchup because of people just using him for unga bunga, so now to beat people we as loyalists have to try *extra* hard to use obscure tactics and moves in a game that doesn't like us playing defensively yet
Tbf, every character in this game is cheap af and all those people defending their characters that they are honest are delusional liars. (Even kaz has super cheap stuff that carries them)
"Lee B+3,3 is just a worse version of Hwoarang D+3,4" That's actually exactly how I describe it too. It's valid to bitch about it sure and it is annoying to deal with in this game but people need to remember that Lee literally dies if you block it lmao because he doesn't have a Hwoarang panic option after it that makes it so inconsistent to punsh. And it being natural kinda justifies the slide nerf. In the end though I feel like his criticism is more towards Tekken 8 playstyle and newer players who over-rely on Lee's dumb new tools in general rather than a criticism of the character as a whole. He feels like Lee lost a little bit of his identity cause he was never a rushdown character but people play him like that now a bit as opposed to having good timing and mastering his neutral and keep-out. At least that's what I gathered from his Tekken 7 Lee vs Tekken 8 Lee comparison which I think was pretty valid. It's just easy to misconstrue what he's saying as an attack on the character just cause he was venting
I honestly didn’t know 1+2 was plus on block if you go into hitman because how little it changes when it comes to lee I mean yeah Lee is good and there’s players who cheese with him but that’s with every character especially the Mishimas 😡
Love that Miirio is secure enough to listen to TMMs critique for what it is and not over-react or take it personally. Takes a big man to identify when they are being attacked and when not. Love the reaction vid and the correct identification that TMM was talking about a particular type of players that obviously does not extend to Miirio!
Don't think MainMan was saying ws2,3 was part of the brain rot, that sounded like "You block/duck, you punish with a 14-frame launcher*" I kinda agree with him tho, because I've experienced it. Braindead mashing and rushdown gets you past blue easy, but if you keep playing like that after, you're rolling the dice. My first lose streak in T8, was when I got lazy when fighting Tekken King and above and went for the rushdown. After calming down and focusing more on pokes and timing, I started doing well again. Also the guy who said Hwoarang's d3,4 is honest is either a clown practicing his new routine, or a war criminal. If you block Lee's b3,3, you stay ducking, and you launch him. You block Hwo's d3, you can still stand up and get hit or block by the 4, and if you're late on the punish you get hit by a follow up
It's crazy how TMM at no point said Lee is OP or Braindead, but because you guys are so defensive of your character you literally invent arguments that no one made...
You’re doing the invented argument thing? Start of the video TMM says most Lees have brain rot, Miirio even agrees afterward? There’s no OP claim in the video as I recall
“But because you guys are so defensive of your character u literally invent arguments no one made” man foh😂😂 u mention even the slightest negative thing about kazuya to TMM he’ll start meat riding him harder than jun ever did
It would be good to 1.: fix ws 2,3 into heat, 2.: when b33's first hit connects, make the second guaranteed, sometimes that second hit can whiff, depends on range. Imo Lee is still an op character with his own unique style. Loved T7 Lee as well, his defensive playstyle. Another thing: If you don't go in, you'll be in big trouble defending always. Somewhat sadly the game emphasizes aggressive gameplay, so you gotta be, if only a bit, more aggressive yourself.
None of you understood the point of the video or what he was saying: The reason why he even started talking about Lee was because one of his viewers asked about help on Lee, because he felt stuck. Tmm then tries to explain how a player should improve and learn Lee, when he talks about 1+2 he is not complaining he says that a player should learn to feel enemy players timing, when he talks about ws2,3 he is not complaining he says a player should learn what he can punish with 14f launcher, and even he clarifies that it is inconsistent, same with magic 4 and any other lee tool he talks about. The only move that is not highlighted in that way is b3,3 but overall TMM likes Lee, he said multiple times that he is one his favorite characters in Tekken.
He is completely right btw, if you are learning Lee and try to play him with b3,3 wr3,4 f2,1 d4,4 you wont learn the character and will be stuck, if you do want to learn lee properly you actually do have to learn how to do timing, keep out, correct punishment etc
@@blahblahgdpBecause those tools are cheesy at lower levels and net you easy wins. New Lee players will overly rely on these tools to the detriment of the rest of his kit, and will find themselves lacking critical knowledge.
Tmm was not saying he hates lee or he is op or somthing he was saying to lee players learn lee and master the true lee . do not just do stupid T8 BS . he is not saying that lee is a bad or op charecter . tmm shows big respect for lee and his real players since T7
@@blahblahgdpTMM is saying that you should learn lee fundamentals first before using his gimmicks, as if you start with his gimmicks you're shooting yourself in the foot later on
@@blahblahgdpCause you'd rather be a samurai in a garden than a gardener in a battle field. Even if you win off of your t8 cheese tools the moment you make it to high rank you're gonna meet people who know your cheese and you just lose game after game. It's better to lose a lot while learning the fundamentals rather than win alot while learning nothing
Honestly with his jab and df1 range, f4 easy pickup or into powercrush on block, dumb heat smash, 214 and ff2, jin would still be better than lee if even his slide and m4 never got nerfed. So many busted characters that b3,3 is the only thing keeping him relevant
He never ever said the character was OP - he only said that people who play him lack defensive skills due to doubling down purely on offense. And he's not wrong, these type of Lee players are super easy to beat because theyre predictable
agreed b33 need some slightly nerf but other than that lee is pretty balance for the ammout of execution that he is required...in terms of execution for me he is harder than bryan...
why would it need a nerf? people say everything needs a nerf, if they nerf b33 then they should nerf all of hwoarangs mix up strings too, if they nerf everything, people are just going to tier whore even more because these side characters that aren't even problematic are going to be nerfed into being less viable
Kazuya has: a 16f hellsweep that does 33 dmg with crazy oki and knocks down and has ff3, db4 whichis 20f with good range and plus 4 on hit, and d1+2 which is a meaty high evasive ch launching low that's also plus on hit. Then for his mids you have: f4 which is 20f and plus 4 on block, devil fist, df2 which is 14f ch launcher, ff3 which launches on hit and can come out of wave dash, ff4 which is ch launching and used as steel pedal, wr2 which is 16f launcher, 13f twin pistons which launch on hit, wr1+2 that knocks down on ch for guaranteed steel pedal. Then Kaz also has electric, better strings and better punishment overall. Kaz has always been strong even in t7, just complete bias nothing more.
Yeah you wrote all of that essay just for multiple pro, top 8 on average players to say that Kaz isn't viable for tournaments. Keisuke got to Grand Finals with Kaz and everyone praised him for it, i don't see any of that reaction to characters like Drag or Feng or Shaheen making it to top 2 😮💨
This is honestly one of the many reasons why I don't really like TMM like that. It just seems that he whines and complains about everything without ever trying to counter stuff and just begging for things to be nerfed or claiming things that inherently aren't that bad to deal with are just these super broken uncounterable messes in the game. Plus that guy spams a lot, never liked his content in the first place.
Relax brother!! Mainmaswede is just saying that the average tekken 8 lee players are toxic and spam b33 and running 34.. where they seem to forget the legacy lee gameplay which was a defensive keep out character..
@@noidsuper do you understand that tekken is all about unga bunga right now? lol. anyway you'd want to learn by just playing and learning yourself.. listening to anybody is just gonna limit yourself
@@michaeljakeem5009 play the game bro. play ranked match. with the new introduction to heat burst and better power crush & grab mechanic, it's so easy to get away with everything. u can just spam with it. seeing new players just mashing button and not learn about matchup it's just so dissapointing. for example a ranked match against Law, you always duck the second string of Law's 3+4, 4 right? in higher ranked people will always duck that but in lower ranked not all players will duck that cuz they are new to the game and not know matchup. but based on my experience playing on Tekken 8, nobody in the lower ranked ever duck that string. it's so disappointing cuz even in lower ranked in tekken 7 people duck that but not in tekken 8. heck you seen 3ddy with his 33333, so dissapointing to see new players aren't ducking that 3ddy strings. if that 3ddy strings exist in tekken 7, i bet people even in lower ranked can duck that. and not to mention about not punishing properly. is just disappointing on the way tekken 8 teaches you to play the game because of how easy to win match without proper fundamentals.
It's kinda of funny because it sounds like he's not upset just disappointed like a brother. Which is kinda accurate because Lee is Kazuya’s Brother-in-Law.
you cant play T7 lee and expect to win in T8 he's not the same characters anymore and this is a vastly different(and fucked up BS) game T8 is brain rot. Lee is low tier in this game also so he cant be complaining about strong moves etc. Lee has so many issues in this game from movement to range and tracking he's missing a lot compared to other characters. he mentions Lee's back 4 its severely nerfed now he's tripping and doesn't no Lee isn't the same anymore and playing legacy Lee you will get washed. Lee is no where near top 10. Feng,jin,nina,xioyou,dj,draonov,alisa,lili,yoshimitsu,steve,law,jack all better than Lee
You can step Kazuya's sweep and his 50/50 in general, you have options even after knockdowns in T8.. Nothing wrong with kazuya at all you lee mains are brain root
Someone got hellsweep'd 4 times LOL. The thing is Kazuya doesn't have rush down he only has his 50/50. If you get hit by vortex thats your fault. You can literally side roll and stay on the ground to counter 2/3 out of his usual Okizeme (FF3 and hell sweep, even FF4 if he rushes the input when your oll) 😂
Yeah I told tmm on his chat that heat engagers with Lee are good, he told me every lee main saves their heat for ws+2,3 heat burst (well maybe at high ranks they do) But then you actually start doing it online and it whiffs every single time you duck a move & I'm like... Yeah, heat engagers it is.
The hurt inside those fake laughs are cringy amazing😂😂😂.. Truth is TMM talks trash about every character but his own... that's how he got big really.. chill bro..
Its really interesting. Everyone who plays Kazuya gets mad at TMM because he keeps saying Kazuya is strong. Everyone who doesn't play Kazuya says he downplays the character. Very interesting. Makes sense.
I think mr mario is not understanding the mail man here. The mail man is becoming senile and disliking how lee can be pseudo rush down, while players dont even try to use his keep out...that s his gripe, however it is still a shit opinion, of a lee wins by rushing down the problem is not lee but the opponent..
It’s an r-worded opinion because he’s crying about playing Tekken 8. It’s not Tekken 7 anymore, backdashing and keep out for full rounds doesn’t work anymore. You’re literally FORCED into rush down, landing a ff3 or df4/4 puts you in uncanceable heat dash (and the opponent has one too). I don’t remember TMM being this dogbrained
@@TruthAndReconciliationthat’s the crazy part y’all only take a piece of what he says out of context and run with it lol. He said master tekken 7 lee and then apply the offensive tekken8 bullshit on top of it to get maximum efficiency. Some of y’all either have comprehension problems or are just too defensive when someone calls you out. It’s actually sad.
@@biggestman123 the crazy part is it’s bad advice. Tekken 7 lee does not work in a game where heat dashes exist. Why would you spend 100+ hours mastering the wrong playstyle? The only remotely relevant thing he said was “land your just frames and pickups”, which every lee above red ranks knows.
@@biggestman123 Tekken 7 Lee was a defensive keep out character. That doesn’t work in Tekken 8. It makes about as much sense as saying “Learn Tekken 7 Steve before Tekken 8 Steve”. I sympathize with him that Tekken 7 Lee required much more finesse and timing, but it is not optimal in T8.
As a Lee player, I was so upset when I heard TMM thinks he's a braindead character it made me spit out the crayons I was eating! ;¬)
He was talking about new players and tekken 8 style Lee, he sucks off Lee players as much as Bryan and Kazuya players.
Yh his complaints seem like he doesn’t like the way tekken 8 gameplay is reduced to 50/50 brain dead gameplay which is pretty much every char in this game now
@@Miirioyou hypocrite its all characters now ay? 😂
@@larevolution13 hypocrite???
hes says that about bear players too. So untrue in that aspect. Bear players have to learn the match up in order to get wins.
Just to clarify. It was hard to tell while live but I understand his complaints are about the tekken 8 way of playing Lee with brain dead 50/50’s only (b33) and no actual game knowledge, sadly this seems like the case with almost all the characters in this game
how is it that tekken 8 became worse balance wise than t7
@swagmoney850 they didn't have a year's worth of arcade testing before they put the game out on ever other platform
Thanks for clarifying. I was about to ask if anyone actually bothered listening to TMM's video because it seems like a lot of people really think he was complaining about the character. They just read the title and make assumptions with their 2 collective braincells.
They didn't listen to the player base and have no idea what they're doing@@swagmoney850
T8 Lee had me quitting Tekken 8 its so sad
If you are a Lee player with no style you should be banished to the shadow realm. Lee is a character of class so toxicity should be out of the picture.
Spittin 🌹🗿
Funny for a JoJo fan to be talking about style when getting glazed by another STYLELESS JoJo fanbaby.
@@InfiniteStyler you have a Kurama pfp and that ain't any better
Edit: That ratio made me bust lol
@@InfiniteStyler of course a furry ninja would say something like this
Lmaooo every lee player I’ve come across qi charges
Lee players went from eating scraps, to feasting on lobster lmfao
Wouldn’t say lobster but we are fead well 😂
@@justin200310068y’all gon be eating lobster the next patch tho
@@seanbrown7083 that’s the plan man lol
Get fed on a bottom feeder😂
Looks like our meal wasn’t as good as I thought lol
Tmm video seems applicable to most characters, fuck their originally designed playstyle, we rushdown 50/50 now. Welcome to T8
That’s the problem I kinda have with this game it enforces too many 50/50s but there are some ways to reduce this
"You wanna poke with Jack? man shut yo dumbass up here have a stance with no lows in it so you cant even mix nobody. better yet go play Zafina or some shit, damn"
Hey he was not complaining when he started talking about Tekken7 Lee gameplay and showing off moves.
tbh tmm video is more a lee beguiner guid quick tip than him complaining
I was waiting for someone to respond to this, didn't think you would but I'm glad you did
lol bro was ready to fight tooth & nail for his character😂
I'm glad he made the distinction between T8 Lee players and the rest of us, because it feels like everyone learned the matchup because of people just using him for unga bunga, so now to beat people we as loyalists have to try *extra* hard to use obscure tactics and moves in a game that doesn't like us playing defensively yet
Tbf, every character in this game is cheap af and all those people defending their characters that they are honest are delusional liars. (Even kaz has super cheap stuff that carries them)
Idk I main Jin and I mostly get wiped by lee his keepout and high crushing moves are a lot to deal with
Yeah that’s Lee’s OG game plan, to lame you out using acid storm and b4 while timing CH D3’s, ff4, etc.
"Lee B+3,3 is just a worse version of Hwoarang D+3,4" That's actually exactly how I describe it too. It's valid to bitch about it sure and it is annoying to deal with in this game but people need to remember that Lee literally dies if you block it lmao because he doesn't have a Hwoarang panic option after it that makes it so inconsistent to punsh. And it being natural kinda justifies the slide nerf. In the end though I feel like his criticism is more towards Tekken 8 playstyle and newer players who over-rely on Lee's dumb new tools in general rather than a criticism of the character as a whole. He feels like Lee lost a little bit of his identity cause he was never a rushdown character but people play him like that now a bit as opposed to having good timing and mastering his neutral and keep-out. At least that's what I gathered from his Tekken 7 Lee vs Tekken 8 Lee comparison which I think was pretty valid. It's just easy to misconstrue what he's saying as an attack on the character just cause he was venting
lee shouldnt have b+3,3 in the first place its against the identity the character once had
@@Nico-tz7ut Same shit can be said about tons of other characters, so your point is literally invalidated by the game we are in.
@@IzNebula no its not, they ruined like 80% of characters in that game, lee is one of them
It's annoying to deal with lows that are +4, chunky and track both ways.. if it would track to one side then I wouldn't say a word against it
I honestly didn’t know 1+2 was plus on block if you go into hitman because how little it changes when it comes to lee
I mean yeah Lee is good and there’s players who cheese with him but that’s with every character especially the Mishimas 😡
I was waiting for this video once I saw what TMM posted
That "stunlock", I could smell the brain fart😂
Lee is definitely one of the hardest characters to play as. But once you figure him out, he is so much fun.
Soooooooo much fun def top in drip and fun😤😤
@@eoStormy excellent!
i immediately thought about you when he posted this i knew you weren’t gonna just stay silent 😂
was waiting for this
damn to not understand he was not complaining in the first part of the video living as you must be tough brotherman
you can do a very small micro dash after using ws 2,3 into heat burst and make it slightly more consistent
Lee players ain't sugarcoating with b33, that's why
:)
Nothing better than watching Myrow vid on a rainy day after spending all your funds in the parking lot
The thumbnail I love it😭😭😭😂😂
Thanks for reacting to tmm vid bro
wdym Lars f3 has no counterplay, you can jab float it smile
🙂
Love that Miirio is secure enough to listen to TMMs critique for what it is and not over-react or take it personally. Takes a big man to identify when they are being attacked and when not. Love the reaction vid and the correct identification that TMM was talking about a particular type of players that obviously does not extend to Miirio!
6:37 XD the mic cut off
Don't think MainMan was saying ws2,3 was part of the brain rot, that sounded like "You block/duck, you punish with a 14-frame launcher*"
I kinda agree with him tho, because I've experienced it. Braindead mashing and rushdown gets you past blue easy, but if you keep playing like that after, you're rolling the dice. My first lose streak in T8, was when I got lazy when fighting Tekken King and above and went for the rushdown. After calming down and focusing more on pokes and timing, I started doing well again.
Also the guy who said Hwoarang's d3,4 is honest is either a clown practicing his new routine, or a war criminal. If you block Lee's b3,3, you stay ducking, and you launch him. You block Hwo's d3, you can still stand up and get hit or block by the 4, and if you're late on the punish you get hit by a follow up
I think he just likes the character, and he finds it sad when seeing him falling the abism of 50/50 that most characters are falling into in this game
B33 can also be SSR so idk what's so broken😭
WAAAAAAAH MY 14f LAUNCHER IS NOT CONSISTENT WAAAAAAAAAAAAH, holy shit oreo you’re so loud man
ws2,3 into heat burst is not reliable in some matchups. It almost never hits reina no matter the situation
same with jin, a character with an average male body that you can't punish almost all of his lows with ws23 burst
It’s inconsistency is consistent. Generally, if heat burst whiffs on a low, it’ll whiff on that low everytime.
in the tekken 7 section he is not complaining man
The main man dropping “meet the lees “ and “not like kaz “ like he Kendrick lol
It's crazy how TMM at no point said Lee is OP or Braindead, but because you guys are so defensive of your character you literally invent arguments that no one made...
Mfs often start yelling before even watching the vids
You’re doing the invented argument thing? Start of the video TMM says most Lees have brain rot, Miirio even agrees afterward?
There’s no OP claim in the video as I recall
😭😭😭that's what i'm saying
"There’s no OP claim in the video as I recall" = " TMM at no point said Lee is OP or Braindead" bruh
“But because you guys are so defensive of your character u literally invent arguments no one made” man foh😂😂 u mention even the slightest negative thing about kazuya to TMM he’ll start meat riding him harder than jun ever did
bro lee is literally one of his favorite characters. we aren’t hating on TMM are we?
Thanks for the response myrow 🌹
It would be good to 1.: fix ws 2,3 into heat, 2.: when b33's first hit connects, make the second guaranteed, sometimes that second hit can whiff, depends on range. Imo Lee is still an op character with his own unique style. Loved T7 Lee as well, his defensive playstyle.
Another thing: If you don't go in, you'll be in big trouble defending always. Somewhat sadly the game emphasizes aggressive gameplay, so you gotta be, if only a bit, more aggressive yourself.
Bro i picked up feng 3 days ago bro purp now I had too put him down 😂
It’s is funny when characters are simplified the people who play them on average get worse. Modern lee and jin players are so lazy it’s actually crazy
I see why everyone flames TMM now😂 same with Rip and the 'Law is S tier' video
@ 7:19 ! Facts
You have to admit. B33 makes him pretty dumb. Same reason people hate Leroy and Hwo
I felt targeted 😂😂 I had to do some brain rot stuff but even then I thought I was pretty honest when I beat TMM Bryan on ranked
What was ur character and rank when U fought tmm?
@@saadlakho5888sorry late reply, i think i was either TKing, TEmperor or TGod, pretty sure Emperor and Lee vs his Bryan
dunno what tmm on about
i play rush down Lee in t7 for years lmao😂😂😂
and as fightingGm said, u gotta play t8 Lee like ur playing dragunov
None of you understood the point of the video or what he was saying:
The reason why he even started talking about Lee was because one of his viewers asked about help on Lee, because he felt stuck. Tmm then tries to explain how a player should improve and learn Lee, when he talks about 1+2 he is not complaining he says that a player should learn to feel enemy players timing, when he talks about ws2,3 he is not complaining he says a player should learn what he can punish with 14f launcher, and even he clarifies that it is inconsistent, same with magic 4 and any other lee tool he talks about.
The only move that is not highlighted in that way is b3,3 but overall TMM likes Lee, he said multiple times that he is one his favorite characters in Tekken.
He is completely right btw, if you are learning Lee and try to play him with b3,3 wr3,4 f2,1 d4,4 you wont learn the character and will be stuck, if you do want to learn lee properly you actually do have to learn how to do timing, keep out, correct punishment etc
I don't get how those are mutually exclusive. Why not just learn his entire kit and his timings. Then again most players don't think.
@blahblahgdp He said learn old Lee "FIRST" Dude. He even said in the end to put T8 Lee on top of your T7 Lee foundation to have a dangerous Lee.
@@blahblahgdpBecause those tools are cheesy at lower levels and net you easy wins. New Lee players will overly rely on these tools to the detriment of the rest of his kit, and will find themselves lacking critical knowledge.
TMM has said in the past that Lee is one of the most dumbed down characters in T8, so I don't really agree with this
Tmm was not saying he hates lee or he is op or somthing he was saying to lee players learn lee and master the true lee . do not just do stupid T8 BS . he is not saying that lee is a bad or op charecter . tmm shows big respect for lee and his real players since T7
?? So don't use your tools given and shoot yourself in the foot for... mainman coins?
@@blahblahgdpTMM is saying that you should learn lee fundamentals first before using his gimmicks, as if you start with his gimmicks you're shooting yourself in the foot later on
@@blahblahgdpCause you'd rather be a samurai in a garden than a gardener in a battle field. Even if you win off of your t8 cheese tools the moment you make it to high rank you're gonna meet people who know your cheese and you just lose game after game. It's better to lose a lot while learning the fundamentals rather than win alot while learning nothing
hella scrupman is the ben shapiro of Tekken and nobody can convince me otherwise
Honestly with his jab and df1 range, f4 easy pickup or into powercrush on block, dumb heat smash, 214 and ff2, jin would still be better than lee if even his slide and m4 never got nerfed. So many busted characters that b3,3 is the only thing keeping him relevant
Listen...we're just playing the game the way Harada intended :)
I'd get b33 if I misinputted :smile:
Miirio
He never ever said the character was OP - he only said that people who play him lack defensive skills due to doubling down purely on offense. And he's not wrong, these type of Lee players are super easy to beat because theyre predictable
Hello my fellow b3,3 enjoyers
agreed b33 need some slightly nerf but other than that lee is pretty balance for the ammout of execution that he is required...in terms of execution for me he is harder than bryan...
+5 low with good range that doesn’t do much damage and is launch punishable. Is that really nerf worthy considering what some other characters have?
it doesnt need a nerf, slide is terrible in this game
why would it need a nerf? people say everything needs a nerf, if they nerf b33 then they should nerf all of hwoarangs mix up strings too, if they nerf everything, people are just going to tier whore even more because these side characters that aren't even problematic are going to be nerfed into being less viable
Kazuya has: a 16f hellsweep that does 33 dmg with crazy oki and knocks down and has ff3, db4 whichis 20f with good range and plus 4 on hit, and d1+2 which is a meaty high evasive ch launching low that's also plus on hit. Then for his mids you have: f4 which is 20f and plus 4 on block, devil fist, df2 which is 14f ch launcher, ff3 which launches on hit and can come out of wave dash, ff4 which is ch launching and used as steel pedal, wr2 which is 16f launcher, 13f twin pistons which launch on hit, wr1+2 that knocks down on ch for guaranteed steel pedal. Then Kaz also has electric, better strings and better punishment overall. Kaz has always been strong even in t7, just complete bias nothing more.
Yeah you wrote all of that essay just for multiple pro, top 8 on average players to say that Kaz isn't viable for tournaments. Keisuke got to Grand Finals with Kaz and everyone praised him for it, i don't see any of that reaction to characters like Drag or Feng or Shaheen making it to top 2 😮💨
This is honestly one of the many reasons why I don't really like TMM like that. It just seems that he whines and complains about everything without ever trying to counter stuff and just begging for things to be nerfed or claiming things that inherently aren't that bad to deal with are just these super broken uncounterable messes in the game. Plus that guy spams a lot, never liked his content in the first place.
That's why i main Bryan
Miirio saying tmm is clearly just venting so don't take it too seriously because he's tilted... That's how TMM is almost 100% of the time
Relax brother!! Mainmaswede is just saying that the average tekken 8 lee players are toxic and spam b33 and running 34.. where they seem to forget the legacy lee gameplay which was a defensive keep out character..
Fakest laugh in the fgc
When i heard him say "spacing timing", i knew it had to be rage bait.
Every character plays with spacing and timing.. like bruh
Do you understand nuance?
@@noidsuper do you understand that tekken is all about unga bunga right now? lol. anyway you'd want to learn by just playing and learning yourself.. listening to anybody is just gonna limit yourself
he wasn't calling anything about Lee broken idk why you keep acting like he was
I mean...in some ways he's not wrong...
Mainman really talking the weirdest trash on lee
he wasn't talking trash on Lee, he was talking trash to people that play a rushdown tekken 8 with Lee
@syaredzaashrafi1101 Rushdown tekken is the name of the game now, the hell do you mean?
@@michaeljakeem5009it’s gon be the next of the game but this upcoming patch is changing things
@@michaeljakeem5009 play the game bro. play ranked match. with the new introduction to heat burst and better power crush & grab mechanic, it's so easy to get away with everything. u can just spam with it.
seeing new players just mashing button and not learn about matchup it's just so dissapointing. for example a ranked match against Law, you always duck the second string of Law's 3+4, 4 right? in higher ranked people will always duck that but in lower ranked not all players will duck that cuz they are new to the game and not know matchup.
but based on my experience playing on Tekken 8, nobody in the lower ranked ever duck that string. it's so disappointing cuz even in lower ranked in tekken 7 people duck that but not in tekken 8. heck you seen 3ddy with his 33333, so dissapointing to see new players aren't ducking that 3ddy strings. if that 3ddy strings exist in tekken 7, i bet people even in lower ranked can duck that. and not to mention about not punishing properly. is just disappointing on the way tekken 8 teaches you to play the game because of how easy to win match without proper fundamentals.
Miirio instantly responding to rage bait. MainMan revels in engagement.
nah this nga actually acoustic, he's talking bout how lee mains play
(HOW) lee mains play, you get it now?
@@roppapalmu789 But roppapalamu789! You can talk shit about (HOW) anyone fuckin plays in Tekken 8
He is just saying that people don’t know how the character is supposed to be played genuinely which is keep out, spacing, and CH timings
@@satsu3098 that's not the point right now..
This title is very clickbaity. He literally just wants lees to use more utility.
All Murray needs to do is give us the old slide back and nerf b3,3. Then we won’t spam it in the neutral
Started practicing lee today and its probably the most difficult char i have played till now
This guy themainman also picked up jin in ranked and said I actually like him now, has the AUDACITY to call Lee brain rotten
Are you stupid. Tmm is the king of calling Jin broken
I mean… lees not even the easiest character in the game
I do agree with TMM tho!
It's kinda of funny because it sounds like he's not upset just disappointed like a brother.
Which is kinda accurate because Lee is Kazuya’s Brother-in-Law.
Adoptive brother***
Miiro brainrot 100% confirmed :)
i will say lee is annoying af with slide in this game but he isnt brain dead
No way you haven't seen any Shaheen or Law?
didn't TMM have a play date with LTG? That's pretty braindead to me
I HATE LEE LOL… I’m subbed cause I play with law 😂 and hate playing him lol
lee is still tougher than reina
TMM is now up the list among the goats for this
Ain’t you got 2k VC points to be grinding
vrvr pepsi
He is fixed
This video was great lmao
well.. the reason he says that, is that he cant fight those ungabunga lee's. The only lee's he can fight are those legacy lee's.
I thought u were a Law user
ur new here? his intro is literally Lee
@@shafir2 I coulda sworn he was a law user
@@Dragoncannon4 he does play law
you cant play T7 lee and expect to win in T8 he's not the same characters anymore and this is a vastly different(and fucked up BS) game T8 is brain rot. Lee is low tier in this game also so he cant be complaining about strong moves etc. Lee has so many issues in this game from movement to range and tracking he's missing a lot compared to other characters. he mentions Lee's back 4 its severely nerfed now he's tripping and doesn't no Lee isn't the same anymore and playing legacy Lee you will get washed. Lee is no where near top 10. Feng,jin,nina,xioyou,dj,draonov,alisa,lili,yoshimitsu,steve,law,jack all better than Lee
Kazuya abuser complaining about Lee is insane not gonna lie 💀 Braindead 50/50s is the last thing HE gets to complain about playing that shit 🤣
You can step Kazuya's sweep and his 50/50 in general, you have options even after knockdowns in T8..
Nothing wrong with kazuya at all you lee mains are brain root
Someone got hellsweep'd 4 times LOL. The thing is Kazuya doesn't have rush down he only has his 50/50. If you get hit by vortex thats your fault. You can literally side roll and stay on the ground to counter 2/3 out of his usual Okizeme (FF3 and hell sweep, even FF4 if he rushes the input when your oll) 😂
TMM not complaining challenge (impossible)
TMM is a miserable person. I just can't take him seriously and I don't play Lee.
The fuck is he mad for
Mad? Who’s mad?? lol
@@biggestman123 him!! he is mad. ffs can't you see how mad he is? he is really mad.
@@syaredzaashrafi1101 😂😂 he big mad right
@@syaredzaashrafi1101No, you seem mad though
Yeah I told tmm on his chat that heat engagers with Lee are good, he told me every lee main saves their heat for ws+2,3 heat burst (well maybe at high ranks they do)
But then you actually start doing it online and it whiffs every single time you duck a move & I'm like... Yeah, heat engagers it is.
The hurt inside those fake laughs are cringy amazing😂😂😂.. Truth is TMM talks trash about every character but his own... that's how he got big really.. chill bro..
Its really interesting. Everyone who plays Kazuya gets mad at TMM because he keeps saying Kazuya is strong. Everyone who doesn't play Kazuya says he downplays the character. Very interesting. Makes sense.
Mainmain you cant support T8 and then complain about the brainrot characters(cause thats all of them now). Cant have your cake and eat it too..
Bro tmm hate is real.
Wait til he finds out Victor exists.
With more recovery frame while whiff in t8, tmm's suggestion is trap for Lee players.
didnt know lee players are this toxic , lost all respect for them
All players* fixed for ya
I think mr mario is not understanding the mail man here. The mail man is becoming senile and disliking how lee can be pseudo rush down, while players dont even try to use his keep out...that s his gripe, however it is still a shit opinion, of a lee wins by rushing down the problem is not lee but the opponent..
It’s an r-worded opinion because he’s crying about playing Tekken 8. It’s not Tekken 7 anymore, backdashing and keep out for full rounds doesn’t work anymore. You’re literally FORCED into rush down, landing a ff3 or df4/4 puts you in uncanceable heat dash (and the opponent has one too). I don’t remember TMM being this dogbrained
@@TruthAndReconciliationthat’s the crazy part y’all only take a piece of what he says out of context and run with it lol. He said master tekken 7 lee and then apply the offensive tekken8 bullshit on top of it to get maximum efficiency. Some of y’all either have comprehension problems or are just too defensive when someone calls you out. It’s actually sad.
@@biggestman123 the crazy part is it’s bad advice. Tekken 7 lee does not work in a game where heat dashes exist. Why would you spend 100+ hours mastering the wrong playstyle? The only remotely relevant thing he said was “land your just frames and pickups”, which every lee above red ranks knows.
@@TruthAndReconciliation I dont see how fundemental Lee play dont work in combination with the new stuff. There is nothing wrong with what he said.
@@biggestman123 Tekken 7 Lee was a defensive keep out character. That doesn’t work in Tekken 8. It makes about as much sense as saying “Learn Tekken 7 Steve before Tekken 8 Steve”. I sympathize with him that Tekken 7 Lee required much more finesse and timing, but it is not optimal in T8.
i see way too many lee players these days using the character's good moves to win matches
Feng profile Pic lmfao hypocrite
Any character that is not my own is trash and for scrubs regardless of execution barrier.