Stop Buying CHEAP Coilovers!
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2023
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I installed a set of $800 entry level coilovers on my GR86 last year and now I'm regretting it so we need to try something different. This time around, we're opting for some $2300 Racecome Engineering Super Street II coilovers made by KW Suspension! Are they worth the upgrade though?
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I agree
I personally don’t mind the “that’s my dog” part.
I watched the $800 coilover video this morning, where you talked yourself into liking the decision. You look and sound much happier in this video.
It's like getting out of a bad relationship 😅
Love the quality product videos and your honest feedback on them 👍
Love the energy you bring to your videos bro!
Glad you're enjoying them, tha KS for watching!
Bought my FactionFab FL Spec V2 mainly because of your video in regards to how happy you were with your set of F series at the time! I don't think they're horrible by any means for the money, but I can't lie and say I wouldn't love a set of RCE's myself!
Favorite UA-camr frfr, those coil overs look amazing! I’m grateful you make videos that help me more than you think!
Thanks for the love! I'm always happy to help!
Your talk of settling for parts is literally most of what I've done to my FRS for my almost 4 years of ownership and now I'm trying to undo it all and get it right this time 😂
Relatable af lol
I personally wen KW v3s last year and it's night and day compared to other cheaper entry level to even cheaper mid level coilovers. I tell people nowadays to SPEND THE EXTRA on a quality set of coilovers like the KW. You're going to be MUCH happier every time you hop in your car and drive. Even drove mine in the winter and when it came time to replace the springs with stiffer rates, the collars moved very easy.
Never heard of race comp and now I want these. Sound really good, I was planing on fortune autos cause kw was too pricey but kw helped make this and you plus so many other people say it’s a great daily driving coilover. So now I gotta sink my money into this. And thanks for making a coilover review like this, I’ve seen so many that just say the coilover is great and they don’t compare. Like so many people say teins are great but I don’t trust that. Glad you experienced both worlds of good and bad, this is what I’ve been looking for.
If you're looking for something cheaper, check out ST Suspension. It's owned by KW Suspension so all their technology is also found on ST coilovers. They use cheaper materials to build ST coilovers (like galvanized steel bodies instead of stainless bodies like KWs) but the quality will be the same.
This car will be mine soon. Trying to soak in so much information and gathering some ideas to see what I want to put on mine when I get it!
Very useful comparison
Im considering getting a used 2006/2007 Caymen but I blv it will cost a lot to maintain an old car
youre spot on the RCE dampers. im on ohlins and rode on my buddies RCE T2 and they feel very similar and comfortable and handle bumps super good on track!
I've always loved Ohlins, their dampers do so well at absorbing bumps in the road!
I'm on the same RCE coilovers that Kevin is now running and love them. I do like Öhlins though! When did they release a set for the twins?
Nice review man! Im still currently on $500 Racelands on the GR86, but I do plan on RCE or HKS coilovers in the future. Surprisingly the Racelands do offer camber adjustment, but dont have dampening adjustment 😅
Night and day difference, I'm telling you!
@@KevinVo Oh I trust you. Your reaction got me shopping for coilovers 😂
If cars have taught me one thing it’s you ALWAYS get you pay for, it’s sad but the honest truth of life. Thank you Kev for teaching the masses. I always preach waiting and saving instead of wasting
I tried a couple sets of lowering springs. Looked good. Handled worse. Then bought some KWs. They are awesome.
Did you try the brz STI springs ? Thinking of trying them
I was in between these and the bc racing, and the price was really attractive. But I'm glad i went with bc, especially after watching this. Thanks for the honesty bro.
Heard good things about Race Comp Tarmac 2 s with Vorshlag Front Camber Plates for track and street. Ordered😏
Been very happy with my kwv2 on my rsx type s. Though i wish the top mount had adjustability.
I want to go coilovers with my car but I don't deal with the maintenance during the wintertime here in the Northeast. Had to go springs
Great video Kevin. How are these Racecomp Engineering Superstreet 2 compared to KW V3? or even Ohlins Road and track? I know the Ohlins you have to paid for the top hats.
Im running tein flex Z and im honestly really happy with them!😊
That reminds me that I have the same coilovers that I need to install on my BRZ for the season.
I have a 2019 Wrx and it’s a daily but I want to take it to the track occasionally during the year. I’m looking for a good set of coilovers that can do street and track duties well. I’m deciding between RCE SS1 or SS2, FA500, Ohlins R&T and KW V1. I’d like some help deciding between them. I don’t mind paying a bit extra for better performance but not too much.
Im trying to have a very similar fitment with a 18x9.5 +43 TE37s and 255/35s. So far I have the exact same set of coils and Cusco RUCA. Do you think I'll need RLCA too?
Can you do a video making a comparison to the RSR super down lowering springs?
Went mid tier w/ BC Racing coils. Looked great. Drove much worse than stock. This was on a 2016 BRZ. Have not installed them on my GR86.
KW!!! Me wants
I just ordered an axle back exhaust too keep cost low. … I wonder if I will cave for a full exhaust down the road 🤦🏻♂️
I have the same feeling with my kw clubsport 2 ways, there is no possible comparison with other economical coilovers
The difference is insane!
Are you going to run the TWS T66-F wheels, because there's not a lot of options that are that light and look that good.
Running HKS hipermax SPs on my STI might change them out soon!
Should you put anti-seize compound on the threads of the coilovers? Or would that be dangerous?
Hey kevin i'm late to this video what endlinks do you have on the front and back?
Hey Kevin, enjoying all the content . I am thinking of putting the STI lowering springs on my brz with the stock coils just for a while until I save money.
As long as I install aftermarket rear lower control arms and camber bolts in the front, do you think I should be able to get a few degrees of camber adjustment front and rear ?
I had sti springs and Bilstein dampers on a Gen 1 BRZ. I loved them, but they’re def stiff. I would say, save your money and get a quality set of coilovers
Love your content bro, you’re a natural!
Thanks for watching!
Kevin, hoping you see this. Are you also running camber bolts along with the camber plates ??
I went with rce yellow springs intially then paired them with bilstein B6s.
If not for buying springs first the SS1 were next on ky list.
RCE yellows are the go to spring!
putting on my KW V3 this weekend so this is promising
They won't disappoint!
Facts! Don’t cheap out on suspension.
Yeah I did faction fab on my 2015 sti and it ruined the drive for me, I ended up selling the car and the coil overs were a big part of the reason why
Thank you for the advice…keep making videos like this.. appreciate all the hard work..
What would the labor be on installing these? Any rough guesses?
You got yourself a nice birthday present Kevin.👍
Gotta treat yourself!
Its a little annoying bc i bought BCs bc car youtubers raved about them. But the ride quality is not there. Hopefully these will be mich better.
For $2,400 I can afford these for my E46 M3. Huge bang for buck
T XTA plus 3 COILOVERS
The ST XTA plus 3 coilover kit gives your car maximum performance for the road and the tools you need for any challenge.
From the factory, the ST XTA plus 3 coilover kit is equipped with KW dampers that are adjustable in HIGH AND LOW-speed compression!!!!
... as well as adjustable rebound damping. With 24 clicks of adjustment for each, high speed and low speed compression damping and 18 clicks of rebound adjustment, your suspension knows no limits. It doesn’t matter if you bolt in an aftermarket roll cage, weld in a cage, upgrade to spherical bushings or changed wheel loads - the ST XTA plus 3 coilover has what it takes to keep your car dialed! Of course, the ST XTA plus 3 also includes a parts approval certificate, race springs and solid aluminum uniball top mounts (with adjustment when necessary).
I first got stance coilovers and they were so harsh. Eventually got cheaper used ones, BC coilovers and it felt way better.
What are the lifts you used in the video?
What kind of jacks are you using?
I know this would be expensive but it would be cool to see a head-to-head comparison between the best budget quail-overs
Bottom line if you are looking into Suspension for your ZN6/8 Most bang for your buck will be rear control arms and camber bolts,
so, Cygnus X-1 Performance coilovers over the Fortune Auto 500s they are based on. check. and just think, 6 months from "now", Koni is going to give you their new coilover...amazing.
What brand are the lifts? Thank you
Straight to the point
How does RCE compare to Fortune Autos?
Had KW V1's on the e92 that was traded in on my neptune 86. Once hit a pot hole so bad that I snapped a half axel, but the KW didn't blow. Their stuff is bomb proof, I'm convinced. Thanks for turning me on to these
They are the truth!!!
My Faction Fab F-spec were good for a solid year and now I feel like I’m riding on Racelands😂
Getting the Cusco Sport Street Zero A Twin-Tube 40Way for a little over $1300 with top hat camber adustability. Trusted Japanese quality for a decent price.
Faction fabs FL CO are pretty good, great for city, and I can stiff them up when I go to the tracks
Riding on higher end coilovers will make you realize they're sub par.
I really don't understand why anyone thinks they can spend substantially less than factory for suspension and think they're improving performance. I wouldn't buy coilovers cheaper than $1,500 if they were non-adjustable let alone spending less than that for adjustable coilovers. I got the RCE Tarmac Zero coilovers on my STI which were $1,800 at the time. They're fantastic. If I wanted something adjustable, I'd step up to the Tarmac 2 for $2,700, and then I'd get them shock dyno'd so I know which settings on each actually match.
Better than stock?
What is cheap Under 1000 basically?
With the new setup, do you still need the spacers to fix the rubbing issues? I’m in the process of figuring out my wheel fitment on my GR86. I want to run 18x9.5 +45 Advan RG-4’s with a 255 tire. I’ll probably need to get RLCA or RUCA like yours.
Keep up the great content! You’ve been a great resource for a fellow Track bRed GR owner!
I think I still have a tiny bit of rubbing on the inside at full lock.
Bro that's such a fat fitment. Good luck.
@Patrick Sawyer that's the fitment on my car haha
As you said, quality hardware is super important!
How can I know that I have adjusted the right camber?
And thanks for saving $800 on our behalf 🙏🏼
Get it aligned. Imo a great camber angle is -2 fronts to -2.5 degrees rear.
The "right" alignment specs comes down to what you're using the car for. For most people that are just daily driving the car you won't want anything too aggressive, -1.5 to -2.5 degrees, but if you're tracking the car you'll want even more to activate more grip. Thanks for watching!
I got ISC coilovers but I wish I bought Beilstien and lowering springs
There are definitely great lowering spring and shock options out there that most people don't look at.
I’ve had fortune auto 500s on my turbo brz for about 3 years now and they’ve been decent. they were $1400 back then which was def a step up but they’re not perfect, definitely stiffer and bouncier than the stock performance pack Sachs dampers (those felt fantastic) but the fortune autos definitely feel super confident when you’re driving. Overall though you lose out on comfort getting rid of wheel gap and im not sure getting KW coils at the same ride height would be more comfy?
If you are dumping to max low then yes, but RCE usually has a recommended range around 1.5".
Dampers are what make or break coils. You would likely notice a big difference jumping up to a higher quality coil.
The other thing to remember is a lot of aftermarket coilover manufacturers use a two piece design in which height is adjusted by shortening or lengthening the shock body. When you do this you lose suspension travel and droop which also affects how the car reacts to the road surface. You might be surprised how much going from a 2 piece strut design to a proper one-piece can change the way the suspension feels.
So what’s best for daily driving? I’ll spend what ever it takes. I want a lower stance but not sacrifice too much comfort for daily driving.
@DarkPhysicx RCE SS1 is a great choice for the price imo. My SS2 are very comfortable compared to the two piece designs offered by a lot of the popular brands.
Blitz strut bar and Remark midpipe kit…..got a link or a recommendation on who to buy from?
Check out Subimods
“Too low” !?! That’s perfect height
Man, I have their FL-v2 spec hope I don’t run into those issues as well
I hope you don't have to deal with it either!
Tein should be the entry point for every buyer, they are amazing coilover for how very little the cost in comparison. I guess its that cheap packaging they do lol
I've definitely seen some beat up Tein boxes haha
I figured those were a mistake the day you posted the install video
I do it for the people 😅
Link to These Please 🙏
Who do you recommend SS 1 and SS 2 for? Is the 2 more track focused?
Yes the 2 is track focues. 1 is more street focused but can be used one track.
Installing the Ohlins on my gr86 made me incredibly sad and the adjustment knobs are finky and feel cheap that’s all I’m gonna say. Would’ve rather gotten the hks hipermax r’s😔
Does the exhaust is original, Kevin? Sound so good
This is the Tomei exhaust
Rce ss1, and csg fla are the best "budget" dampers for the platform,i wouldnt use anything less honestly
What are your thoughts on the CSG FLA’s?
@@joshfetty same level of excellent customer service, slightly different pros and cons, spring rates are the same, internal bump stops are nicer, having rear mounts is nice, multi peice shock body is obviously a con, but all and all cant go wrong with either imo
Kevin, what are your thoughts on the Tein Flex Z? I have them on my 2013 BRZ and while they feel comfortable I can’t seem to nail down the source of clunking noises.
Did you buy them used? If they’re used then I wouldn’t blame the coilover I’d blame the previous owner. If they’re new then the only issue I’ve seen is maybe your ride height is too low?
@@joshfetty I bought them new and stayed close to out of the box height. I’ve gone through everything I can think of as far as ensuring things are torqued go spec, including the sway bar end links
So you are telling me not to get the factionfabs. Damn it!
Looks like you went with Super Street 2. Are they based on KW 2 or KW 3?
They are made and designed by KW with spec input on the platform from Racecomp engineering.
Where's a good price point on a more budget friendly build? I'm not cheaping out cuz I don't wanna break my car before warranty is up. So any recommendations on coilovers n a good price range? And yes. I would like it more track friendly. I don't go often nowadays, but I'd like to in the near future and I want to be set up for when I do.
Fortune Auto 500s are a good place to start. Racecomp SS1s are also very good.
😐😐😐😐 I just had some Factionfab FL specs put on my WRX. Now I'm not sure if I want to feel how more expensive coilovers feel because these definitely aren't bad, better than stock lol
Yup you get what you pay for… and yeah white wheels would look good on the car though.
@Kevinvo be real with me, are ISC coilovers entry level? I have the N1 street sports and they are bouncy and stiff and tbh after a year I hate them. I really wished I bought B6 Beilstiens and got 1-1.5 inch lowering springs.
I have the same ones and have realized they are pretty stiff and bouncy aswell. I have found that 14 clicks is a good spot to be
I haven't personally tried them, but anything around that $1000 usually will give you mediocre results. That's the point where I'd say just spend a few hundred bucks more.
@Kevin Vo how about BC racing coilover? I've heard really good things and a lot of people run them with this platform. Is the ride quality good?
30k on my Superstreet 1 now. RCE is the best!
I’m guessing you got some 57DR’s for new wheels
Hmmm good guess!
dont underestimate a good shock and lowering spring. Idk I set it and forget it so I got Koni STR.T and Eibach Sportlines on a 323 and they were the tits.
Can definitely put together a good package if you pickup the right parts. Most people don't want to deal with the process of piecing everything together though.
I have sport lines and after sitting for the winter one has dropped about an inch, nearly sitting on tire
Any recommendations for staying really close to stock height? I let someone drive my car and they broke my front lip and nearly ripped off my bumper lol. Big pothole in a parking lot. I was thinking fortune auto.
Cop Beilstiens B6 struts and get lowering springs
@B wouldn't that still drop it 20mm or so like these do? I hate the gap but I hate texas roads even more.
@MarioK4rt well it will only lower your vehicle depending on the lowering springs you buy. You could also just run your oem springs for oem hight but get the extra comfort and performance of the upgraded struts.
@B thanks for the good info. I'll look into them.
stock coilovers will keep you closest to stock height
Future BIG video content: Cut open a cheap coilover and let the internet finally see what's going on inside, and why they suck.
I’m eyeing Counterspace Garage’s tuned Tein Flex As
I've heard good things.
@@KevinVo yeah same here and Mike from CSG is great at answering all things track related
welp shit watched you build up this car for long enough just ordered some parts for the N wish me luck
Love to hear that! What did you order?
Race Comps! It's like you read my mind 😂
It's amazing stuff!!
My guess on wheels is Apex VS-5RS - can't wait to see em regardless 👍
How are Godspeed coilovers??
Never tried them, but haven't heard good things.
If you arent going to track and just want cosmetics, just get lowering springs. They will look just as good and handle better than cheap junk coils. If you actually intend to do some real performance driving, coils are well worth it.
Also, Tein makes really great stuff for really great prices. Just sayin
Also need to keep in mind that if you stick with the OEM struts you won't be able to fit some of the wider more aggressive wheel setups due to clearance issues.
POV: you’re watching this with factionfab coilovers on your car 😭😂
currently experiencing something similar....switching from airlift to coilovers :)
Does any body know if I can fit 18 X 9.5 +35 wheels with 245s on the brz/86?
Yes it will
@@Metalhorse1123 on stuck suspension without rubbing?
I will buy myself a KW V4 Clubsport for my GR86
Great choice!
KW is the answer
Or ohlins
@@holyjellyx7758 to expensive and complicated for the normal person
Or HKS R
Godspeeds better than kw. Used both before
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Ok cool, now do a pov track video
This is a sign for whoever is watching this video and is running tein flex z that it is time to upgrade including myself 😂
hahaha do ittttt!!!!
I don’t have any coil overs, because I cannot afford them. Therefore , if you can’t afford good coil overs, don’t buy cheap ones. Just leave it stock.
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