How A Passenger Jet Crashed Just Short Of The Runway In Boston | The Crash Of Delta 723

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  • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
    @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  Рік тому +18

    Thank You To My VIP Patreon Supporters!
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  • @r.bennettmoreland4924
    @r.bennettmoreland4924 Рік тому +71

    My mother was doing temporary duty in BTV (she was a BOS based ticket agent for Executive Airlines). Two of the passengers on this flight were Executive Airlines passengers that had missed an earlier BTV-MPV-BOS that she worked with the ex-Northeast/Delta station agents to rebook on this flight. To this day she remembers their faces. She had also listed herself as a non-rev on this flight to go home but was bumped, she called the station manager in Boston and told him she would be coming home on this flight, but never called when she got bumped.
    Queue the station manager calling her father when the plane crashed and saying that unfortunately your daughter was on the flight and it doesn't look good. Mom has been haunted by this accident for years, she apparently knew the ex-Northeast Captain well, and still feels survivors guilt about getting bumped and the couple that she booked onto the flight. At the time she was taking flying lessons, having been in aviation for a few years, but this coming back to back with her pilot mother being killed in a private plane crash has made her terrified of flight since... although she is still in the industry, being Vice President / Chief Marketing Officer for multiple airlines and airports since (this year marks her 54th year in aviation, with no intention of retiring).

    • @terriestapley5475
      @terriestapley5475 Рік тому +15

      Thank you for sharing her story~

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 Рік тому +10

      I am seriously impressed.

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 Рік тому +1

      She was have some awesome momentos of those old airlines.

    • @JasonFlorida
      @JasonFlorida Рік тому +1

      I hope she has gotten any negative feelings behind her. It seems like she is a great woman that should be very proud of her career

    • @flyguyry1
      @flyguyry1 Рік тому

      @@JasonFlorida shes hasnt. Thats why he said she struggles with it

  • @irenetorkel2186
    @irenetorkel2186 Рік тому +45

    Even though these videos are short they always include everything. I learn something and appreciate the visuals included. Great job.

  • @mbryson2899
    @mbryson2899 Рік тому +46

    Muscle memory (such as "one clockwise rotation needed") is a powerful thing.
    My daily driver is a little five-speed pickup. My better half has a six-speed family car. Whenever I drive hers I have to practice to remember that I have one more (highway) gear. Worse, when she takes mine she has to remember to NOT grab for sixth, because that's Reverse and would break the gears.
    Training, decision trees, and confirmation. I think the industry sometimes glosses over that aspect.

    • @jameswyatt1304
      @jameswyatt1304 Рік тому +5

      6sp Jetta and 5sp Mazda, so I know that painful "chirp" when you find 6th gear on a 5sp!

    • @dianesheldon2591
      @dianesheldon2591 Рік тому +2

      Mine is moving from my aveo5 to my husbands grand caravan! The shifter is in the wrong spot, the wipers come on when I try to turn the lights on. I take a moment when I drive it to reorient myself to the van from my car

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 Рік тому +4

      @@dianesheldon2591 If you want a good laugh, think about me when I was first working with forklifts... They have a shifter that only handles "forward/reverse" where normal cars have the blinker and brights control... I don't know how many times I've either signaled for a right turn or turned on the brights, and promptly ran over the curb or a parking lot stopper looking out the rear window in those couple weeks... ;o)

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 Рік тому +2

      I normally drive a Santa Fe but because the insurance company is dragging their feet, I’ve been in a Grand Cherokee for the past two months. Can’t wait to get back into my normal ride

    • @waterbird91
      @waterbird91 Рік тому +1

      I truly believe that planes are still too complicated to fly, leading to so many crashes, so many losing their lives over it. No more flying for me.

  • @sct913
    @sct913 Рік тому +13

    One important detail. The plane in question was originally owned by Northeast Airlines, which merged with Delta in 1972. The crew was an ex-Northeast crew. After acquiring Northeast's fleet of DC-9s, Delta replaced the flight directors on these planes with the model used on other Delta DC-9s to standardize the fleet. Given this background, and in the high workload environment of the landing, this could explain why the crew inadvertently set the newer flight director to the wrong mode.

  • @tallymedic
    @tallymedic Рік тому +19

    Thank you! Love it when you upload a new accident I’ve not heard of before!

  • @cschis
    @cschis Рік тому +3

    Sir, I've been subscribed to you for a very long time I think I was one of your first subscribers. The quality of your videos has improved soooo much. Not that the earlier today ones were bad it is how you have grown with personal confidence. I am happy with you and your approach. I wish the best of luck and continued personal growth. Have fun my friend.

  • @mattwilliams3456
    @mattwilliams3456 Рік тому +8

    Excellent as always. It’s amazing seeing this channel grow from a point of sending in donations to get you a decent mic to now you closing in on 200k subscribers. You’ve earned every one of them!

  • @nevillec5252
    @nevillec5252 Рік тому +7

    As students, we are taught to always intercept the glideslope from below. That makes a stabilized approach much easier to attain, and avoids latching onto any false glideslopes (which are always above the true GS).
    Tragic accident.

    • @alexanderyoung7313
      @alexanderyoung7313 Рік тому +4

      I think he accidentally said they intercepted the localizer above. The localizer is the horizontal guidance. He probably meant glide slope. Definitely easier when you are below

  • @bobtaylor170
    @bobtaylor170 Рік тому +2

    Thank you for this. In March, 1973, I sat across the aisle from flight attendant Anna Moore on an airport bus. She was the most striking looking young woman. I forgot about her until I saw her photo in the August 1, 1973 Houston Chronicle. It was unmistakably her. I've been haunted by this tragedy ever since.

  • @Glen.Danielsen
    @Glen.Danielsen Рік тому +9

    Adam, Alex, Simon, and Simon: my gosh your graphics are marvelous! Cheers, brothers! 💛🙏🏽

    • @KaitlynnUK
      @KaitlynnUK Рік тому +5

      It's Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 with a very dodgy modded aircraft.... it all looks great though, doesn't it :)

    • @Glen.Danielsen
      @Glen.Danielsen Рік тому +2

      @@KaitlynnUK It sure does. Cheers and Merry Christmas Kaitlynn. 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧

  • @DMA3918
    @DMA3918 Рік тому +17

    Sounds like go-around should be the motto for approach into an airport. Landing is optional subject to clearance, stabilized approach, fuel remaining, among others!

    • @pibbles-a-plenty1105
      @pibbles-a-plenty1105 Рік тому +4

      Yes, a successful landing is a "go around cancelled."

    • @briant7265
      @briant7265 Рік тому +3

      I was thinking go around when weird stuff started happening late in the landing process. Maybe the fog bank coming added pressure to get on the ground.

  • @robrindt980
    @robrindt980 Рік тому +7

    As someone who lost loved ones on this flight, and the very reason I am alive today, could you at the very least, show it as it really happened? It was N975NE, a DC-9-32, operated by Delta Air Lines, originally owned by Northeast Airlines. Not an MD-80 as you clearly depict here. in 1973, if depicted correctly, the DC-9-32, would be in full Delta colours. In loving memory of Robert and Liza Metz. Rip.

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar2137 Рік тому +34

    Or they should have gone around - the flight director was already ready

  • @emilypaullacheson7821
    @emilypaullacheson7821 Рік тому +3

    I lost my grandparents on this flight. I never knew them. Hard to believe this will be 50 years this summer.

    • @laurat1129
      @laurat1129 Рік тому +1

      Since I was just a baby when this happened, I only learned of it in today’s Boston Globe. So sorry for the loss of your grandparents, and my sincere condolences to you.

    • @emilypaullacheson7821
      @emilypaullacheson7821 Рік тому +2

      @@laurat1129 Thank you, I appreciate that!

  • @dianeellis3925
    @dianeellis3925 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for great reporting on this crash. It doesn’t get much coverage but your report was right on. I knew people who died in this crash. I remember the day very well. Again thank you.

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 Рік тому +3

    Amazing video!

  • @Pro4TLZZ
    @Pro4TLZZ Рік тому +5

    Thanks as always

  • @christopherpericolosi-king4979

    I love how thorough your investigations are! You cover ever minute detail, which is pretty exhaustive research! Well done!

  • @More-right-rudder
    @More-right-rudder Рік тому +11

    The more and more crash videos I watch, I love going around more and more. Pretty much did multiple go around yesterday when I was behind the plane and didn’t feel safe or prepared to land. Landing is an option but a go around is a must.

    • @waterbird91
      @waterbird91 Рік тому +2

      Better to be safe than SORRY. Too many crash landings and too many crashes on take offs as well. I used to love flying to different destinations, I don't fly anymore, it's just gotten out of hand scary. Passengers depend on the pilots, they have to trust them w/ their very lives. I did so in the past, won't do so in the future.

    • @flyguyry1
      @flyguyry1 Рік тому

      Landing is a must. A go around is an option

  • @asteverino8569
    @asteverino8569 Рік тому +3

    Terrible for everyone on the flight.
    If someone had said "unstable approach, go around."
    Distraction is a slippery slope.
    Thanks.

  • @ronlicc5390
    @ronlicc5390 Рік тому +1

    i am 59 years old , lived in Winthrop ma all my life was with three child hood friends that morning 150 yards from the runway on the beach at the bottom of court road and circuit road , FOG SO THICK YOU COULD CUT IT WITH A KNIFE , you could not see the control tower , barely see the airport , all i remember was an earth shattering low boom and saw an orange ball of light rolling thru the fog , and it just kept rolling down the runway for what seemed a minute , we knew a plane had crashed and knew it had hit where the sea wall was ,
    latter we found out a family on court road their husband was a officer on the plane , i remember my friends mother saying as we ran into his house up the street from the beach she thought it was a car crash , took twenty minutes to an hour for the news to alert the tv media , a friend of my father owned a house on the water a cross from the winthrop hospital , we wher the hours after watching amphibious duck boats from the state and MDC police bring bodies up his ramp and deliver them to the hospital ,its funny i never think about it if a fly , only when is see a plane on approach , RON

  • @charlesschneiter
    @charlesschneiter Рік тому +5

    As the pilot flying the captain is the one to blame here...
    As you correctly state, he did not do any callouts - but the pilot flying (teh FO) omitted vital cross checks as well, namely the altitude check when passing the outer marker - plus the minimum.
    Bad CRM all around...

    • @schlollepop
      @schlollepop Рік тому

      CRM was not even invented, let alone established at that time.

    • @charlesschneiter
      @charlesschneiter Рік тому

      @@schlollepop Well... lollepop... the acronym wasn't perhaps coined then but, believe me, acting as a crew (and therefore apply it's resources) was! Been there done that, btw...

  • @tonysimma2288
    @tonysimma2288 5 місяців тому

    I'm born and raised in East Boston, I was about 7 years old but I remember that Chelsea, city next to Logan Airport, was at a stand still with traffic. My father asked a police officer who was doing traffic detail why all this traffic. He then told us about plane crashing. I still for some reason remember the song on the radio...

  • @iMAXsProductions
    @iMAXsProductions 7 місяців тому

    I found this quite handy because I’m currently looking up Delta airline crashes for upcoming video on my channel so this really helped :)

  • @someonee3186
    @someonee3186 Рік тому +6

    Suggestion: Korean Air 858

  • @connollynick2003
    @connollynick2003 Рік тому +1

    I actually live near Manchester airport in NH so fasincating to hear about an accident that departed from the airport to far from me. Anyways keep up the good work. Your videos are very informative and give good details.

  • @LordSStorm
    @LordSStorm Рік тому +7

    My questions, why didnt ATC notice they were in trouble on radar, and why didnt the pilots call for a holding point to troubleshoot the FD.

    • @Bartaaron04
      @Bartaaron04 Рік тому +4

      This is 1973, radar technology wasn’t as perfect and transponders weren’t sending as much date for ATC as nowadays, hence why the pilot had to report turning onto the final approach

  • @NHMasons
    @NHMasons Рік тому +1

    My Uncle was on this aircraft. I remember it well.

  • @6th_Army
    @6th_Army Рік тому +1

    Sounds like most of these crashes can be attributed to instruments being changed across models of the planes.

  • @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311

    What an horrendous confabulation of events...OK, it was the 70s but there's ALWAYS a new set of unknowns that aren't even thought of and have certainly never happened. Someone will be writing the same thing in the 2070s. And what's worse is that in this case there were NO unknowns - just a very unfortunate sequence of knowns.

  • @AdrianColley
    @AdrianColley Рік тому +1

    This is a sad one, because all the causes are that someone was busy with too much work.

  • @em1osmurf
    @em1osmurf Рік тому +1

    strongly recommend you research "begs the question"...i don't think it means what you think it does. good vid.

  • @BoBandits
    @BoBandits Рік тому +3

    ah yes, the notorious "outer marker"... ;)

  • @jalapeno-official
    @jalapeno-official 3 місяці тому

    I just got back from Boston airport im from Boston and I just saw this

  • @nacerdjaafri9919
    @nacerdjaafri9919 Рік тому +4

    The road to hell is paved with "good intentions"

  • @surferdude4487
    @surferdude4487 Рік тому +1

    Your videos stopped coming up in my feed. I have selected "all" for notifications. I hope this corrects the problem.

  • @timelwell7002
    @timelwell7002 Рік тому +1

    This tragic event is far from the only crash - and numerous 'near misses' - where there have been issues with getting onto the glide slope at the correct altitude and at the correct speed and rate of descent. I can't help but think that if some kind of sensors were installed on the ground, well outside the area of the airport itself, which would show ATC not only the position of each approaching aircraft, but also its' altitude, then horrific events such as this could be avoided. I know there would be extra initial expense involved, but wouldn't it be worthwhile?

  • @George_M_
    @George_M_ Рік тому +3

    Oh hey it's SFO a few years ago. Only much worse. Go around, dangit!

  • @sjarlestrand
    @sjarlestrand Рік тому +1

    You mention "going below" the localizer. I guess you meant "below the glideslope".

  • @jtveg
    @jtveg Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻

  • @paradoox02459
    @paradoox02459 Рік тому +1

    I thought it was common practice for airlines not to reuse the flight numbers of fatal crashes. Yet, Delta currently seems to have a flight 723.

    • @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549
      @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Рік тому

      It’s not common practice

    • @emilypaullacheson7821
      @emilypaullacheson7821 Рік тому +1

      I lost my grandparents on this flight. Delta announced to the surviving families today that they will no longer use this flight number after 11 May 2023. Should not have been used for nearly 50 years.

  • @TheNewAccount2008
    @TheNewAccount2008 Рік тому +4

    It is really weird hearing such reports... I did a lot of ILS approaches in my time as a sports pilot, and they are about the simplest approaches you can possibly get. (Not saying that they are simple, just saying that there is nothing better than it...) When you fly ILS, you basically have one point of information that gives you all the critical data combined. Hearing that pilots did not monitor this one vital data point is awkward to me...

    • @SS-ce1py
      @SS-ce1py Рік тому

      IFR as a sports pilot? are you sure? anyways this accident was back in the 80s, the instrumentation was different then.

    • @TheNewAccount2008
      @TheNewAccount2008 Рік тому +1

      @@SS-ce1py Yes, I am. Fairly costly training to get there, but necessary if you want to do multi-day trips.
      And I do agree that instruments were way different back then, but the VOR and ILS systems have already been the same. And especially the ILS "crosshairs" have not changed at all since then. (Except for getting into a "glass" format and maybe you can consider an HSI an improvement, but thats minor...)

  • @stevewilson5546
    @stevewilson5546 Рік тому +4

    Don't they use the radio altimeter as a cross check?

    • @Primus54
      @Primus54 Рік тому +3

      1973… I don’t believe automated radio altimeter callouts were yet available.

  • @GeofreySanders
    @GeofreySanders Рік тому

    1:21 plane is staring at us. Engine eyes, manic grin on the nose. [COGNITOHAZARD WARNING] You cannot unsee this, rewatch at your own risk.

  • @MeMe-gm9di
    @MeMe-gm9di Рік тому

    What a case of "get-there-itis" that caught the pilots. If you lose awareness of your plane in dense fog, it's probably better to go around.

  • @marksmith8079
    @marksmith8079 Рік тому +1

    Gotta get there-itis strikes- the cause of the disaster was pilots couldn't accept that the approach was going wrong and to go around- high and fast on approach is alone a reason to go around- pilots have gone around for much more minor reasons . Short of the Runway is pretty rediculous tag line- really pilot crash way now near the runway.

  • @Veer3hassan
    @Veer3hassan Рік тому +1

    Excellent 👍🌹🙏

  • @3az3oz
    @3az3oz Рік тому +1

    Can you do a video on Northwest Airlines Flight 255 ? Thank you.

  • @quasarsavage
    @quasarsavage Рік тому +6

    confusing displays on older planes vs modern ones. an a320 display could be read better than a dc9 lol

    • @Hellsong89
      @Hellsong89 Рік тому

      Kinda, but new planes have way more extra systems in place, where malfunction of one can lead to disaster just as well, when pilots relay on automation too much. After all its the pilots job fly the plane, not the computers.

  • @FameyFamous
    @FameyFamous Рік тому +5

    Manchester NH to Boston is a 1-hour drive. Nobody should have been scheduled for such a short flight! Didn’t they have busses in 1973??

    • @RedwingInNH
      @RedwingInNH Рік тому +1

      Right? I would be so annoyed at myself if, for some reason, I decided to fly to Boston from here, and this happened again. X_x

    • @opusmax1
      @opusmax1 Рік тому +1

      It was a different world 50 years ago. The airlines busted their butts to please the customers. Flying was so expensive for the general public that the very thought of being put on a bus would have been taken by many as an insult and complaints to the government in that then highly regulated industry were feared by the airlines.

  • @lukethomas.125
    @lukethomas.125 Рік тому +15

    That’s tragic. The pilots were good and competent. It’s one of those incidents where the pilots were blameless

    • @3chords490
      @3chords490 Рік тому

      Not quite. They didn't do a call out for altitude 9:30

    • @lukethomas.125
      @lukethomas.125 Рік тому +5

      @@3chords490 Indeed. They slipped up briefly, with fatal consequences

    • @loganamnosiss
      @loganamnosiss Рік тому +4

      46 knots at the OM didn’t help either

    • @MothaLuva
      @MothaLuva Рік тому +3

      Above the glide slope, 46 knots too fast over the OM, wrong modes on the FMA, no callouts, losing situational awareness…this doesn’t really meet the “blameless” criteria.

    • @lukethomas.125
      @lukethomas.125 Рік тому +3

      @@MothaLuva Indeed. But in a recent reply to a comment, I correct myeslf by saying that the pilots slipped up briefly during the approach.

  • @vickrantgurung7
    @vickrantgurung7 Рік тому +1

    Did anyone notice landing gear not down

  • @edwardrichardson5567
    @edwardrichardson5567 Рік тому

    Sounds like a false glide scope situaton as well.

  • @hksp
    @hksp Рік тому

    so the radio altimeter didnt do its automated voice callout

  • @PatrickRyan147
    @PatrickRyan147 Рік тому +5

    I don't love any of your videos 😯
    I find them informative.. but the loss of life saddens and sometimes angers me 😐

    • @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
      @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 Рік тому +2

      Quite.... in fact I kind of dread the ones with death, even though it's already happened. The ones where, thanks to superb airmanship, they have the closest of close shaves where everyone survives are the best ones....

    • @PatrickRyan147
      @PatrickRyan147 Рік тому +1

      @@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 I couldn't agree more 👍👍

  • @battyjoe
    @battyjoe Рік тому +2

    Your term at the beginning “ with the First Officer in charge and the Captain in charge of radios” is a bit misleading. The correct terms would be the FO was Pilot Flying (PF) and the Pilot Monitoring or Pilot Non Flying (PNF) The Captain is always in charge. Just a technical term for other videos.
    Good video though :)

    • @richardservance8709
      @richardservance8709 Рік тому

      I don't believe the PF and PM/PNF terminology existed at the time of this crash. The video was likely using terminology from the investigation.

    • @battyjoe
      @battyjoe Рік тому

      @@richardservance8709 Possibly not but this is an explanation to UA-cam, mostly non aircrew, who might not understand the differences. It wouldn’t be accurate to say the FO was in charge and confusing. I have never heard the term FO in charge, and been in aviation many many years, it comes over as the video authors terminology as opposed to the accident reports.

  • @FameyFamous
    @FameyFamous Рік тому +3

    The controller who was not paying enough attention to this flight deserves a small fraction of the blame, right?

    • @pibbles-a-plenty1105
      @pibbles-a-plenty1105 Рік тому +7

      The controller had his hands full. The captain is in charge of the margins, not the controller.

  • @agrofindastation
    @agrofindastation Рік тому +1

    Your voice sounds slightly off. Do you have a cold, or just recorded differently?

  • @patshes1951
    @patshes1951 Рік тому +1

    Oops, not good.

  • @8bitorgy
    @8bitorgy Рік тому +2

    Tip: You should visually display the details like time and location names.

  • @jamesflores6889
    @jamesflores6889 Рік тому

    4:22 looks like asiana 214

  • @slagarcrue85
    @slagarcrue85 Рік тому

    Get me usually inspectors get me Fiff and the others who this fox names I don’t currently remember.

  • @nadvga6650
    @nadvga6650 Рік тому +3

    Errors after Errors after Errors. and all having quick fixes. as the show must go on !! right !?

    • @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
      @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 Рік тому +1

      Not sure if confirmation bias or gethomeitis were to blame either, which makes it even more upsetting....

  • @mauricedavis2160
    @mauricedavis2160 Рік тому +2

    🙏😢🛬⚖️🤔❣️

    • @jean-bastienjoly5962
      @jean-bastienjoly5962 Рік тому +1

      Happy to meet you, Praytear "Landjust" Questlove
      Ill be htting my head on a wall for the next half-hour

  • @PavlosPapageorgiou
    @PavlosPapageorgiou Рік тому

    Modes are bad!

  • @waterbird91
    @waterbird91 Рік тому +1

    ATC is at fault, non working instruments at fault, pilots incorrect flying. Yeah. I'll take a ship to Europe this year. I don't trust flying anymore.😱😱😱😱😠😠

  • @estbiker
    @estbiker Рік тому +2

    1st

  • @SKF358
    @SKF358 Рік тому +1

    All your viewers aren't "guys." I'm sure there is a "gal" also.

  • @patriciaramsey5294
    @patriciaramsey5294 Рік тому

    Sub par video. Only first one I did not like.

  • @hj8272
    @hj8272 4 місяці тому

    Horrible animation, zero original recordings, horrible accent, no closed caption..

  • @Speakerman583
    @Speakerman583 Рік тому

    Which boston

  • @hustlernaturalrocks292
    @hustlernaturalrocks292 Рік тому

    Poor Simulation

  • @rajnaik5787
    @rajnaik5787 Рік тому

    Silly question, maybe - why don't they make the runways a bit longer so out-of-control planes are still on concrete and can use brakes.

  • @stephencaparelli7733
    @stephencaparelli7733 Рік тому +4

    look up the words succinct and verbose. your videos are very hard to watch.

  • @williamsalvaggio4621
    @williamsalvaggio4621 Рік тому

    Great job on this video. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
    Stabilized Approach Criteria is very important. If not stable by 1000' AGL, go-around.

  • @youthinkyouknowme5551
    @youthinkyouknowme5551 Рік тому +1

    I'm too stupid to know what this guy is even talking about

  • @lewiskelly14
    @lewiskelly14 Рік тому

    This Was UA-cams Worst Thumbnail

  • @txblly1055
    @txblly1055 Рік тому +1

    now Mark Wahlberg should have been on THIS flight