The Best Arguments against Religion on Morality
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- In this video we explore the razor-sharp reasoning of some of the most intellectual heavyweights of atheism and free-thought, challenging the conventional narratives surrounding the relationship between faith and ethical principles.
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Morality is doing what's right no matter what you're told.
Religion is doing what you're told no matter what's right.
I imagine two different people here. One, a man standing up for homosexual rights. Another man, fighting against homosexual rights.
One man has discussed, reasoned and made his own conclusions for what is morally right. The other is just blindly fighting against homosexuals because a book told him to.
@@mbell9995 ....? ..... this analogy isnt supposed to be referencing christianity I hope.
....bc If it is, it's not even close.
What rights exactly do you think christianity is trying to take from homosecuals?
There isn't anything in christianity, it's doctrinal beliefs or its theology that would ever perscribe or condone attacking homosexusls or refusing them any of their rights or dignity. They are human & made in God's image same as everybody else, and thus christianity believes they have inherent human rights, and intrinsic value that entiles them to dignity. That's what christianity believes. The church doesn't have a problem with homosexuals, it's not a sin to be gay. The church has a problem with butts3×. That's what's prohibited bc they believe that butts3× is the sin. It would be just as sinful for me to have butts3× with my wife, as it would be for 2 dudes to do it. A subtle but critical distinction that's often overlooked bc being gay & butts3×, go together like rods & pistons.
Butt regardless, its just another sin like any other. I don't know why ppl would think this particular sin warrants excommunication and being ostracized or discriminated by community, when that doesn't happen for any other sins ppl constantly commit all the time. Pornography, gluttony, envy, parking in handicapped spaces, whatever. Etc. Unless your murdering or raping ppl, it's not such big a deal, nobody expects anybody to never sin, that's an impossible expectation.
@@gregsanich5183Except that the bible does speak against it, and the vast majority of churches blatantly and fervently speak and act out against it.
But as always, individuals cherry pick what they want and ignore the rest when it comes to the bible, and Christianity as a whole. So perhaps you've found one of the hippy-dippy "nice" ones. ...but that doesn't make all the other churches and Christians disappear.
@@LastBastian Idk what you're responding to bc my comment seems to have disappeared. .... ? ....
That's weird right?
.....wtf happened to my comment?
.... does it register on your phone? Can you still see the comment I made that you are responding to? ....I can't, it appears to be gone.
@@gregsanich5183 Nope, it's gone now. It was there when I responded.
UA-cam does love to censor and delete comments. Often with seemingly no rhyme or reason.
Can't have people sharing differing information and opinions y'know.
"Death penalty for adultry... I mean there goes half of congress" 🤣
Love this channel and the perspective it provides!
Well Listen up you notice this 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
Which is interesting bc athiesm isn't suposed to have any perspective on anything beyond a single position on a specific question.
None of those values he advocates for or acknowledged , are athiest values and have nothing to do with athiesm. Where ever they got their beliefs, it cant have been from athiesm bc athiesm offers no moral guidance or direction at all. There is no action or behavior, no matter how vile, that isn't fine with athiesm and is completely compatable with it.
So, because Congress is immoral, that's an argument against morality? And you think I'm the stupid one? Sheesh.
@@jamesedwards.1069 if you think adultery or sex before marriage deserves death then yes you are the stupid one.
In fact you are stupid for taking this and conflating it as an argument against morality.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf it's clear that you don't understand what is at the heart of this point of contention.
The question of morality isn't about "what" is right or wrong. It's about "why" is it right or wrong.
The theist claim usualy argues for the existence of an absolute moral truth, and an absolute moral authority. And secular models try to justify and rationalize the validity of which arbitrary standard should qualify as the proposed standard for our morality.
But the truth is that if there is no absolute objective moral truth or authority, then morality doesnt actualy really matter, and is then just an imaginary fantasy made up to control and manipulate ppls behavior but isn't truly real or really true.
Morality is every bit as much of a faith based belief as any religion ever was.
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
Baron Harkonnen, er, I mean, Christopher Hitchens, was obviously too stupid to realize that the real problem is human nature.
that’s for them to figure it out tho
they can’t perceive it that way
us actually spiritual ppl know no organized religion
unfortunately those who practice spirituality from within the confines of the Bible can’t be told no so…
here we are
we’ve been grieving out with the Void of space how it makes us feel to be so disrespected arbitrarily by them
and their cultural erasure karma makes us appear to be entitled and arrogant for not conforming when that’s kinda our gender
nothing we can do about it but try and get ourselves to a point where it doesn’t bother us anymore
one day…
gotta accept that they can not see what they are and therefore you have to do the grieving instead unfortunately
that’s just reality and psychology
#2Spirit #indigenous #philosophy #audhd #autism
It doesn't poison everything according to social science tho....
When one is looking for truth, leave it to religion to confuse and misdirect someone. Smoke and mirriors.
"Man is not great" Peter Hitchens.
Religion makes good people justify doing evil things.
Makes “good people”?
Good people don't do evil things.They fight to change such evil for good.
@@lorenzobianchini4415and if they are good, they wouldn’t be in the Christian cult!
@@Ex_christian Christianity is not a cult.And 2 if they were genuine Christians they wouldn't judge other people they would love unconditionally.Quite simple really sir!!!
@@lorenzobianchini4415 Christianity IS a cult! Definition of a cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. Christianity fits it perfectly because you devote your life to make believe objects with ZERO Demonstrable Evidence! The Christian cult loves to spread its Lies and Hate! There is no love!
There is NO HATE like Christian love!
There is direct correlation between the level of education and religiousness. Happy to say Australia about 70% non-religious.
"Out of the illogical comes much good. It is so firmly rooted in the passions, in language, in art, in religion, and generally in everything which gives value to life. It is only the naive people who can believe that the nature of man can be changed into a purely logical one."
~ Nietzsche
Absolute morality as a concept in itself is nonsensical. Morality is about what a person or a subject values and therefore deems good or bad. It is by definition a subjective concept.
Nah, makes perfect sense mate, you're just overthinking it
(which IS possible!)
If it comes from God, it's still subjective
@@Reece-Mincher3601 "It makes sense if you don't think about it"... Solid argument
@@wadegarbutt9758 Argument? It's a fact; it gets to a point in which your answer is genuinely so contrived that you're practically clutching at straws, e.g. OVERthinking it, often intentionally, to misconstrue the point ☝️🤓
@@Reece-Mincher3601 it amazes me how oblivious you are to the stupidity of what you are saying. And the irony of the nerd emoji to top it off.
How do you know your religion is the right one of 3000 to choose from? Why do you almost always end up with the religion you parents got or what is normal in your country? Should not the one real god make sure most come to him?
"Always let your conscience be your guide." - Jiminy Cricket
My favorite Bible story is the one where the apostles take a dump on a guy named Thomas. Doubting Thomas they called him. He earned that offensive nickname because he was skeptical about a dude rising from the dead. They harassed and bullied him. He should be known as Reasonable Thomas. Maybe start his own Church, the Church of Rational Thinking.
Thomas doubted...no one harassed him.When he came to believe he went to India to spread the gospel message..he was at no time harassed to do so.Argue but don't talk rubbish
@@lorenzobianchini4415well, we know that any in the Christian cult speak rubbish all the time!
@@Ex_christian That is simply not so.Christianity is not a cult and to say you disagree with someone is one thing but to say all Christians speak rubbish is simply arrogant ignorance and false. One only insults another when they haven't an argument.
@lorenzobianchini4415 the alleged Thomas character is reported as seeing the risen jesus , the book actually highlights unless you have evidence it's unreasonable to believe , so until we see jesus it's reasonable to doubt , why does jesus not show others like he allegidly did Thomas, this story is typical of the literature of the time basically post hoc adding a new character to bolster a claim , but to be rational you cannot take the alleged testimony of unnamed writers written decades later reporting about someone they never met
@@Steve0272. I am not arguing with you.I take the position to respect everyone s point of view.To respect and couldn't care enough to argue.Take care and don't insult people.Full stop!
There is no one more immoral, more ruthless, more wholly evil than someone who believes that they're doing Gods Will.
Obviously.
...if there was no God than nothing would actualy be immorral.
@@gregsanich5183 wrong is wrong regardless. Have you no moral conscious of your own as a decent human being?
@@briobarb8525 i thought we were supposed to be embracing objective rationality and not let our emotions compromise our objectivity.
And no, wrong isn't nessessarily wrong if morality truly is subjective.
Life is simpler when you're just have one book to read! Learning philosophy, sciences, history's needs hard work and diversity knowledge, but it's the best route to have ethics and freedom minded!
That's one of the silliest arguments Christians use, and even when I was a Christian it seemed silly to me, "Without God there is no objective morality". Even if that were true, whether or not a god is needed for objective morality to exist does nothing to prove that a god exists. And what's more is that the god of the Bible condones slavery, infanticide, misogyny, and the death penalty for the most trivial things imaginable. If that is the morality that atheists miss out on then I'd say that's a good thing.
I'm an ex-Christian too. At a certain point, the hypocrisy and circular-logic and nonsensical "answers" and my scientific education / awakening (which I attribute to Carl Sagan, love the guy ❤) accumulated to a degree that I simply could no longer honestly promote Christianity to another human.
It took a while to get out. Mostly self-preservation, imo. It's difficult to admit you fell for it for so long. And it's a little sad realizing you now several dear friends who are systematically being lied to and prompting conservative politics with real potential to harm people based on archaic principles, outdated logic, and a full-on delusion about there being an invisible skyman who hates gays and approves slavery and infanticide
@@MeganVictoriaKearns I'm glad that you got out. When you described your experience it felt like you were talking about me the whole time. I read through the entire Bible multiple times when I was growing up, but I always tried my best to ignore all of the questionable morals and contradictions in it. I think that I was afraid of losing my friends and family and going to hell if I left the faith. But I finally realized that no matter how much I told myself that I still believed the Bible, the truth was that I stopped believing it years before I left the faith. And you can't force yourself to believe something that you simply don't believe.
Ye have no descriptor for what is true, no justification for truth none whatever! Ex Christian, ppffftt. Where have ye gone to now only into the wilderness. Sam Harris has been caught lying about the content of the bible on numerous occasions to his own congregation who just believe him and do absolutely no research of their own. And they call us sheep!
What’s even worse is that if they ground their morality in a god, then it is by definition _subjective_ morality, not objective. They are subconsciously just trying to elevate the authority of their moral views and the need for a god to the same standard as science or mathematics, when their own definition makes it more akin to etiquette.
The Bible doesn't condone anything, it warns of judgement. Obviously you're deficient in reading comprehension.
Great video....but flowery voice music is very distracting .
So many amazing points in one short video, awesome.
Amen!!!
My favorite argument against religion on morality is the bible....you would have to be really depraved to follow the moral concepts prescribed in it
Which one do you find to be the most offensive?
Ro:13:5-10:
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
@@waynegabler6570 Hard to narrow it down to just one but we could start with these:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Leviticus 25:44-45, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Deuteronomy 21:10-14,
Leviticus 20:13, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Leviticus 21:9, Numbers 31:17-18
@@waynegabler6570 What was your point with that?
@@waynegabler6570Leviticus chapter 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
I can quote as well, you don't want to try this game because I can keep going
@@isdrakon9802 no response.
Another great video !
It would have been great if the not-so-background music had been omitted.
There is NO rational or sane argument FOR religion.
Do you know why that is? Are you familiar with f.e. the Pascal's wager? It's really cool, what you're saying people knew for a centuries now
There is NO rational or sane argument FOR religion.@@ukaszszczyt4912
Religious sheeps are easier to heard. Not an argument at all?
I rather someone do something nice and because it was the right thing to do then someone only doing it because it will help then go to heaven.
@TheWonderfulTruth
Hello, I loved this video!
Would it be possible for you to link where you got the music you used in this video, please?
Thanks
Great vid =)
I think the best thing to admit is that whatever system you use, morality fundamentally _isn't_ "absolute" period because dictation by a God doesn't make it "absolute" in the sense you can just observe moral questions themselves and directly just "see" the morals right inside the question without some subjectively honed sense coming in. And in atheism, cultural values will inherently shape it. But culturally-shaped morality isn't _useless_ either so long as it's open to adjustment and refinement. And moreover, even if we replace "absolute" with "dictated" or "delivered from outside humanity", nobody can agree on what "God" said that is. That is, that a "God sense of morality" is not absolute either because it's shaped, just as atheistic morality by cultural value, by one's choice of religion. Which the atheist can, of course, interpret as evidencing that God doesn't exist. That isn't a necessary conclusion, though not an unreasonable one either, so _A_ legitimate answer, and I won't argue someone shouldn't take it. But, I think what would be even _better_ to get people to agree on _broadly_ is that what we can _really tightly_ disprove is a God _forcing_ a morality, because if God really wanted to do that, It would not have made 2000 religions with different moralities all seem equally convincing to someone somewhere only then to punish all those who didn't roll the 1 in 2000 jackpot roll. This would mean all of the following: that atheists can be tolerated, _AND_ that religions can stop warring over each other with blood spilled, _AND_ that maybe their _hierarchical institutions_ can have their _power_ axed, which'd be an uber win for all.
how quaint, attempting to dissect the intricacies of morality and divine dictations. Your notion of an "absolute" morality dictated by a deity is as elusive as a cat chasing its own tail. The idea that we should all agree on some universal moral truth is adorable, but have you seen the track record of those 2000 religions? It's like a cosmic game of telephone gone horribly wrong, with each sect claiming to hold the one true line.
And let's not forget the divine jackpot roll you mentioned. If a higher power was playing dice with morality, they've created a chaotic mess, leaving us mere mortals to sort through the wreckage. Tolerating atheists, ending religious blood feuds, and trimming the power-hungry hierarchies? Sounds like a utopian dream that even a celestial being would struggle to bring about.
So, by all means, continue your philosophical quest for absolute morality, but good luck finding it in the cacophony of contradictory doctrines and human interpretations. I'll be here, enjoying the irony of it all from my godless corner of reason. Cheers to cultural-shaped morality - at least it comes without the celestial headache.
What is the piano piece in the first seconds? It is very beautiful!
Gnossienne No 1
Eric Satie
@@Xanderbelle Thank you very much!
I call it the book of scandals. Every chapter of Genesis has a scandal except the first two. It is the book of what not to do. It is helpful to know the 36 decans and the 20 days, and the trecenas, to see what Genesis was actually intended for. Knowledge of the archetypes.
Its simple really. religion was created when the first con man met the first fool.
Christian religion claims all humans are sinful even before birth ... Psalm 51.5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me". Many passages confirm this doctrine.
At the hands of those who believed this and other similarly harmful doctrines, I was abused and even terrorized for many years. The damaged caused then is just now becoming known and is named Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). The stress-related mental health disorder ruins entire lives of so many like me. That is my argument against Religion.
If there is a god he is definitely a mischievous internet style troll, giving opposing messages to different people, doing that whole natural disaster thing, and crippling populations
As Lenny Bruce said in one of his great routines, where do laws come from ? He said that back in cave-man days someone said I don't like him doing that, therefore I'm making it bad and illegal!!! Think about it, before any concepts of religion, that must have been where laws came from, does it make them valid?
Mortality pre-dates religion.
Could do without the annoying music
Yesss😂
Gee, maybe next time you could use Kenny G as background music. lol
Who makes these videos?
Atheist A.I. bot?
Amazing vid. Thank you.
I must have missed the rational discussion. Wish I had been part of it. Can someone point me to a video of that happening?
Do you need the term "rational discussion" defined for you? Or is something else bothering you little bro?
@@blackhat5434 You can start by pointing me to where this rational discussion is happening. Or you can insult me. Or both. Whatever you find rational.
No but I can find a mental asylum for you.
We could do without the music.
If there is a god, then when i die, he will understand why i didn't believe in him, because he gave no physical proof of existencing.thats on him not me.
Morality has grown & expanded over time as people have explored their own humanity, gradually pushing religions away. Most religions place morality alongside punishment whereby love should be a standard to living a moral life, not a threat of punishment by some invisible god to be moral. Anyway, who decides what the standards of morals are? An invisible god, leaders of religious institutions or the people themselves according to how they live their lives? As we continually evolve we constantly push the boundaries, reevaluating where we stand in a constant changing world and what is important to us. Some so call moralistic beliefs I held when I was young no longer matter to me for life’s experiences have caused shifts, helping me change my views in how I see my world.
Religion has become the 'God Of The Gaps'... in every sense. Ever-shrinking gaps.
Great video. Why aren't there more clips from Sam Harris?
Atheism itself is nothing else but argument against morality as such. I mean they're so sincere if they lied they'd admit it 🙂
you would know a thing or two about atheism, you are an atheist to thousands of gods, just the most demographically dominant one stuck.
you can walk in the shadow,and hide.
you can walk in the light,and be blinded by it.
better to stand in the middle,and just enjoy life.
"Religion is an IQ test by definition"- Aaron Kuntze
If you want to find morality, look in the Dictionary, not the Bible.
Everyone knows simple right from wrong!
That's a dangerous hill to choose to die on . If you're correct you'll have all of eternity to hang out and congratulate yourself. If , on the other hand , you're not correct you won't have the opportunity to change your mind . Forget religion . Accept and develop FAITH . That's what the message is about...FAITH in more than ourselves . Jesus saves . Peace.
provide any evidence
@@digitalscale76 The books that became the Bible were written over a period of 1000 to 1500 years by more than a dozen writers that lived in many different places . They didn't get together for a conference and produce a screenplay . These books told of people of different tribes and nations living at the time and also of figures yet to come . ( and they did ) Historical events are written about as well as events that were yet to come . ( and they did ) These writers were eyewitnesses in time and real places . Archeologists are finding ancient writings , real estate and artifacts all the time that show the existence of peoples spoken of in the books of the Bible . More valuable than looking for evidence as " exhibit A " and fingerprint ID cards , each of us are made to become the evidence to truly see what's true, real and lasting . There's a bit of personal involvement required. For example, asking a question about the topic of God is showing interest. That's a tiny bit of involvement. That's an important thing bc NO ONE SEEKS AFTER GOD . That's a common misconception. GOD SEEKS AFTER EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY. We can try to ignore Him or not . Sooner or later everyone settles on their position once and for all . Peace.
Simple minds want Simple answers.....god did it!
so the greatest moral argument agains religin (chrisitianity) is having no real understaning of the teachings of the bible, but still base all your moral on a deeply christian foundation... yeah you realy showed us :D
Most atheists have a very good understanding of the bible. Atheist morals are not based on Christianity, thankfully. Christian morals based on the bible is terrible and cruel.
What Christian foundation? Just cause your religion claims ownership of morality it doesn't mean it originated or predated it. The golden rule present in every human culture and our ability to empathize gave us the morals we have today, not your dusty old book.
◄ 2 Kings 2:24 ►
love me some Sam Harris
All of humanity has been trapped for thousands of years in old stories made up by a few shepherds and fishermen...when can humanity be freed from this.😖
"Freed" The *irony.*
A little bit of straw-manning here, but not too bad.
At the time the concept of "absolute morality" came along, civilization was still in its infancy. But now that humans have embraced being civilized, that term becomes passe. Any time a person with strong religious affiliations now attempts to assert an absolute from a text in a world where everything is relative, they just sound silly. Many of the religious views in the Bible stemmed from evolutionary origins dating back to viewing forces of nature as gods. People are a bit superstitious by nature, and we attempted to control those forces by offering sacrifices as a sort of bargain. "Here, take one of our most valued possessions (e.g., a virgin) in exchange for sparing the rest of us"... sort of thing. And those mindsets ended up in the Bible and other works.
Fast forward to today, where we already know what causes storms and earthquakes and volcanoes, and those bargaining practices become obsolete, but the mindset of needing to sacrifice something in order to have a good life, lingers on. The morality of the Bible suffers from the advances of civilization. Practices in Leviticus have long since become obsolete. But texts, being static, remain unchanged, in part due to various statements in the text threatening dire consequences to anyone who attempts to change them.
In a way, the Bible has become a victim of its own success. It's a tricycle in a world of Harleys and Maseratis. The fact that there are flood stories around the world, in no way proves any of them happened all at once. But the weird thing is, both theists and atheists treat the Bible as an authoritative word, even though the atheists say they no longer believe it.
I'll leave you with this:
2:7.9 (43.2) The great mistake of the Hebrew religion was its failure to associate the goodness of God with the factual truths of science and the appealing beauty of art. As civilization progressed, and since religion continued to pursue the same unwise course of overemphasizing the goodness of God to the relative exclusion of truth and neglect of beauty, there developed an increasing tendency for certain types of men to turn away from the abstract and dissociated concept of isolated goodness. The overstressed and isolated morality of modern religion, which fails to hold the devotion and loyalty of many twentieth-century men, would rehabilitate itself if, in addition to its moral mandates, it would give equal consideration to the truths of science, philosophy, and spiritual experience, and to the beauties of the physical creation, the charm of intellectual art, and the grandeur of genuine character achievement.
16:7.1 (192.8) Intelligence alone cannot explain the moral nature. Morality, virtue, is indigenous to human personality. Moral intuition, the realization of duty, is a component of human mind endowment and is associated with the other inalienables of human nature: scientific curiosity and spiritual insight. Man’s mentality far transcends that of his animal cousins, but it is his moral and religious natures that especially distinguish him from the animal world.
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As a person that is definitely Christian and definitely not an atheist, I must confess that I wore two different types of fabric at the same time
Quick question: 'Have the Swiss guards on duty at the Vatican for the last 500 years been prison guards or bodyguards?'.
@@waynegabler6570they’ve been swiss cheese
The mind had rather amuse itself than heal itself thus making philosophy a diversion rather than a cure ... Seneca
But people don't join or eschew religions because of argument, it's irrelevant. 🤦🏻
My friend asked me for evidence of god. That conversation specifically is what led (two years later) to me abandoning belief. (And obviously people telling me it's true before that had led to my belief in the first place.)
You're acting like you think education doesn't work, but it does. In fact the most dangerous thing to do is to pretend it doesn't work, fail to educate people, and now you just have extra-irrational people running around and that's horrible for everyone.
@@majmage I repeat you can't educate people either to believe or not to believe in God - by definition. You 'believed' because somebody taught you, you 'disbelieved' because somebody taught you. Case in point. What's missing here is personal experience. And I feel for you in that respect. 🥺
@@majmage And I never said anything about education not working. I'm an educator so why would I do myself out if a job?
@@Closminding What are you even saying?
* your first sentence: you can't educate (teach) people to believe or not
* your second sentence: you believed or not because you were taught (same word: teach)
@@majmage PREEECISELY! - the education failed didn't it??? Somebody might come along and 'educate' you again to 'believe' (note the inverted commas) ... of not. And then the cycle repeats itself. So I repeat myself (ad infinitum). YOU CAN'T EDUCATE SOMEBODY TO BELIEVE ..... OR NOT TO BELIEVE.
Belief and faith are not contingent on education. They arise from personal experience and existential conviction (sometimes out of terrible suffering or danger or personal revelation).
Any other form of belief (like somebody trying to reason logically with uou - as you are attempting to do) is bogus and will dissolve like the morning dew under the heat of the rising sun (as yours has done 😪).
Exodus 13 God wants you to sacrifice your first son.
We could really do without the background "music"
You're lost in minutia...wake up
@@deevnn I am not asleep. Just tried to offer some constructive criticism, these guys are geniuses and their voice don't need this new age shaman guru bs music, let alone so loud.
This is why I believed in gods, gods that shared good cores values with Christianity but better than Yahweh. Ultimately I can only accept good parts of Christianity but rejected the bad and evils parts.
Civilization runs on religion. No way out of that. Like wanting to run an economic system without money. Marx proposed it as communism - didn't seem to work🙂
thats debatable at best but even If it was correct, it would not make all ten thousand religions any less of BS. Thats literally saying Civilization is not clever and runs on superstitious fairy tales = stupidity and fairy tales are good and true.
@@digitalscale76 there are two kinds of religion that can run a civilization: theism and pantheism. The first teaches truth the second enlightenment. Atheism is but a feeble tool of pantheistic entities. As Erich Fromm said "I do not think in terms of a theistic concept."
@chiefwhitenoise5227 ERRRR, wrong. Provide just a single piece of evidence supporting the existence of your favorite dictator and that he is the right one, not the other 9999. You would change the world. Spoiler: there's no magic, no hulk and no sky papa.
@@digitalscale76 in high school - for some reason - they emphasized for us how advanced ancient Egypt was. Somebody said "if they were so advanced how come they didn't make automobiles".🙂
@chiefwhitenoise5227 again nothing really relevant, your favorite magical clumsy evil dictator is not real, he's not hiding in the ever smaller gaps. Please prove me wrong. If your following words won't be direct evidence then then I rest my case and you can shave with Hitchens razor.
The sappy music is distracting, unnecessary, and made me quit the video early.
The background music is terrible. I stopped listeniing. Get rid of it.
This man truly sounds like true One nation 2:00 people. This is what my ancestors preached before get massacred over and over. It wasn’t a religion, it was honor. The US constitution was based on the One Nation document. 🙏🏽
"Without God there is no absolute morality".
This is a convolution of
A) God is required for absolute morality to exist"
B) Absolute morality exists.
There is no evidence to support the claim (B) that that absolute morality exists.
It would be a logical fallacy to conclude from this that ¬A, and also ¬ God, but if that's one of best arguments of god-botherers they should abandon any attempt to convince rational folk.
Stupid music is unnecessary
Can we please stop adding the silly acoustic guitar backing to these? It’s the sort of silly emotive stuff theists do. The words of Dawkins, Harris et al by themselves is more than sufficient on their own.
For those who are seeking if it might all be just imagined encounters or if God actually exists, do this: Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me and find me when ye shall search for me with all your heart. James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God. Jeremiah 29:12 ye shall go and pray unto me; and I will hearken unto you.
If all rational and evidence points to no God and you still believe, you are no longer worth having any conversations with cause you don't care about what's true, you only care about what you already believe.
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So to make that claim, you've obviously asked of God in all humility when you were in need, and He didn't come to your aid, right?
Or have you never asked and you just want to argue?
@@theriveroffaith852 I was a Christian for the first 22 years of my life so don't preach to me about prayer, while I was deconstructing I always prayed for God to show himself to me and I did so with only the goal to find out what was true. Yet here I am a few years later an atheist through and through.
@@bjk8794
I became a Cristian when I was 24, not because I asked God to show Himself to me, but because I saw it was important first to put all my trust and reliance upon Him. Only then after this service to Him, He showed Himself to me.
So, if you really want to know the truth, you would put God to the test in this way. Otherwise you don't truly want the truth.
@@bjk8794
I was an Atheist and became a Christian when I was 24, but not because I prayed God would show Himself. Instead, I humbled myself and put God first to truly put Him to the test.
Then He revealed Himself to me.
I invite you to do the same!
Also you cant argue against that which does not exist outside the minds of the ignorant and superstitious.
As long as their is one person on earth who believes in a god, their will be conflict.
You can’t even get a minute in before Richard Dawkins begins spewing untruths about “religious morality” and then starts naming things he thinks are “good” that “religion” (primarily Judeo-Christian) brought about. I’ve often thought that you must have immeasurable faith to be an atheist; it’s no surprise that the absence of truth also pervades that worldview.
If your god dictated that rape of children was a good thing, would it then be a good thing? You can choose, "yes", in which case, you dont really have morals, you just have dictates, which in that case makes morality completely meaningless. Or you can choose "no", in which case morality is something that we dont necessarily need your god for. So which is it?
@@Korkzorz There is no “my” god, there is only one God. An atheist asking hypothetical questions about good/morality is actually quite amusing, since your worldview provides no basis for the question. The ONLY basis you have to ask a question about morality derives from THE God. Which means you aren’t a very good atheist.
@@kevinparrish5379Your insecure deflection and unsupported assertion only shows how weak your position is. I feel bad for you.
@@kevinparrish5379What’s that? Someone asked you a question to justify your position??? Quick you must use your Christian powers and dodge because addressing it would show how you are wrong!
Seriously your reaction is typically of 99% of Christians. All refuse to have the conversation in fear they may see their faults.
It takes no faith to not believe in a proposition that has no evidence to support it. Whenever someone talks about how their faith or even the made up Judeo-Christian thing is the pill/backbone/foundation of the morals western society it amuses me. Those people always quickly run away or just do the ‘Nuh-uh’ when you show how their morals are preceded by other cultures that influenced their religion.
That background music is so annoying!
I'm not so superficial to care...
This music is cringey and unneeded Jesus can’t even finish the video
These are just arguments against Abrahamic religions.
It's completely untrue that believing in equality of women, freedom and being kind to animals are "entirely new", that's an extremely eurocentric viewpoint. In fact It could be argued that those values were the norm during +99% of human history.
How do believers know their god is good, without devolving into a claim that amounts to “he says he is”?
Either they have a separate assessment of good/bad, or they don’t care what their behavior is and causes to happen, as long as they follow the letter of the rule, as they interpret it.
Western atheists, I've noticed, have a very Christian perspective on religion, and divinity in general. Unsurprising, given the cultural context in which they live... It's a bias you don't notice until you see the other ways of thinking about divinity.
There are other conceptualizations of religion that they seem unaware of, yet they throw it all out because they don't like Christianity/ the Abrahamic religions. It's a shame.
Basically, Western atheists are less atheists and more like... anti-Christians. That is, the opposite of Christians. Yet they share the same conceptualization of divinity as the Christian.
Even though they may reject non-Abrahamic religions as well, they do so from the perspective that those religions have gods, etc. in the same way that the Abrahamic religions have their god. But this is a (massive) error.
But that is the whole part of religion they are challenging. Religions like Buddhism don't have a supernatural diety of which it's followers claim it's God plays an active part in the universe.
I think all these "popular" atheists don't deny the importance and value of spirituality. Especially Sam Harris!
its because the abrahamic religions are the only relative religions in the west. and the other religions tend to keep to themselves. they dont try to push it onto people and dont try to change laws to match the religious laws. and they dont try to put their beliefs into our education system.
God: Listen, you can't have your Ying if you don't eat your Yang; that's just the way it is, aww yeah 🎶
Look at the world today. So I can’t care about your argument
Morality is internalized in the individal. God allows 9 million children a year to die of horrible diseases, that is immoral behavior.
This is why there are hundred of diffrent christian sects, picking and choosing which parts of the religion they like. If one doesnt fit your internal code, switch to on that does. The church meets what you say morality is, not the other wayaround.
The Wonderful Strawman Arguments Against The Moral Argument for God.
Ten minutes long.
Seriously, these are the _best_ arguments you’ve got??
YGTBKM.
The excerpts from Sam Harris where he is responding to Dr. Craig are from a debate which Craig was widely seen to be the winner, and even Harris admitted that he (Harris) had lost!
To wit: not only did Craig win the debate, adequately grounding objective (not “absolute”) moral values and duties in God, but he also destroyed the entire premise of Harris’ book _The Moral Landscape!_
That doesn’t happen very often….
Lol. In athiesm, there is no right or wrong, just opinions. All these arguments are stolen from God and Jesus’s teachings. These guys are such sad hacks.
Just like in religion. It's all opinions and personal interpretations.
why don't you own slaves and beat them?
why did your societies abolish slavery?
thats exactly opposite to what Bible tells
@@LastBastian Nope. We have the truth in our hands, corroborated by 60,000 transcripts over thousands of years and eyewitnesses. They all tell the same story and same truth. You live in God’s world under His design. All the evidence is right in front of youZ
@@LaughwithBeo Not true at all. You have thousands of differing denominations just within your particular religion, all disagreeing on how things work. All cherry picking or interpreting things there own individual way. Making up their own individual rules based on their own individual thoughts and feelings.
And that's not even getting into all the thousands of *other* religions. All with *their* own claims, stories, "truths," and "eye witnesses".
All the evidence that It's made up superstition is right there in front of you.
The greatest confusion in the Bible is the existence of two versions of God. One version is a man-like being who walks and talks with the patriarch Abraham. He is so powerful that he can wipe out a city from the face of the earth. The other version is a supernatural evil force. According to the Bible, the disaster like Noah's Flood is deliberately caused by that vindictive supernatural God because HE wants to punish the people for their sins. But supernatural powers simply do not exist. When we ignore the words god, lord, holy, sins and sacred and study the bible again with an open mind we will see that this book gives us many details about a recurring, thus predictable but inescapable natural disaster that wipes out mankind according to a fixed timetable. The end of days, the creation, the exodus, the sun stood still, and the change of the day into night are all referring to this natural disaster that is often mentioned an act of god in the English language but it is no more or less than a recurring natural disaster. This disaster is caused by the ninth planet in our solar system that is mentioned "the great red dragon" or the beast with many heads that fights with the army of gods angels. Years after this disaster people from planet 9, best known as heaven, descend on our planet and they help the survivors to build a new civilization. These people have a bond with mankind because their planet causes the extinctions and they made humans "in his image". We have abundant and convincing evidence in texts and pictures to support this story. All is written and depicted in the e-book: "what I know about Nibiru". search: know nibiru
1John 4:7-21 "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love."
lol you did what religious people do and you’re putting one of the good bits front and center while leaving out the bits you don’t like.
Well no, you are doing that. I could just as easily have quoted "the golden rule" and I suspect you would blow that off too, though atheists regularly use it as the basis for their own morality, which is ironic.
@@prestonbacchus4204 The first known mention of the golden rule is ancient Egypt.
The original origin is evolution.
The nuanced full version is everyone had a hand in the modern version of the golden rule (evolution, Egyptians, Christians, all through every other moral thinker that's contributed along similar lines, including atheists).
So if your intent was to present the idea as fully owned or authored by Christianity, you'd have justifiably been blown off.
And if you weren't intending that, only to explain that Christianity was one of many stair-step improvements, then what are you even really saying? Not much.
Yes, the notion has been passed on from a long time before the Jews incorporated it. But if this saying is morally important to atheists, why would they not credit Judeo/Christians for teaching it to like a billion people over the last few thousand years?
@@prestonbacchus4204 if the golden rule was the only thing that Judeo Christian religions taught, then maybe they would receive more praise from atheists, but that’s definitely not the only thing they teach.
Yeh, but Jesus still can’t deny himself.
Of course it's your channel (and a very good one, too) but - with respect - I think that adding music behind the speakers isn't a good idea.
Mood music is a cynical ploy designed to engender an emotional response to what's being said, when what's being said lacks substance.
Just like canned laughter or the modern equivalent of the so-called 'live studio audience' on TV - which is no less orchestrated and controlled - it's not necessary when the message itself is what matters.
The beauty of the truth is that it doesn't need to rely on emotion to make its point.
So I think it's more effective to let the words speak for themselves. Take away the music and let the cold, hard truth chip away at the wall of indoctrination that surrounds the religious mind.
hypocritical "christians" love this kind of music...we aren't trying to preach to the choir on this channel.
there are no "best" arguments against religion. all conversations reguarding are ego based non-sense.
Religion is garbage.
Well, aren't you just a beacon of open-mindedness and intellectual humility? I suppose dismissing any conversation about religion as "ego-based nonsense" is the epitome of rational discourse. I mean, who needs thoughtful discussions when you can just categorize everything that challenges your views as irrelevant? It's not like people have been grappling with questions of existence, purpose, and morality for centuries. Nope, it's all just a big ego trip. Clearly, you've transcended such trivial matters. Kudos to you~
@@UncleBuZ thanks for helping me make my point.
@@crashoppe is that what you believe you have how cute
@@crashoppe He is not helping you make your point. He is being sarcastic and is suggesting that your attitude is not conducive to open-minded and rational discourse. He is using humour and irony to highlight the perceived lack of intellectual humility in your statement. Reading comprehension is important.
Abraham and Isaac (not a mere boy) had the faith that if Abraham showed obedience that he did kill Isaac that God would resurrect Isaac. They also had faith that if God didn't really want Abraham to kill Isaac he would provide something else for the sacrifice. Again that is all due obedience based on faith (trust). I am sure that atheists have shown implicit trust in something or someone. Something or someone that they trust with their very lives.
I am sure that even most atheist teach their children the right from the wrong. Sure it is without God, but it is based on their conscience. Then you have a lot of law abiding theists that do the same thing based on their conscience that is proven to be good and bad based on their faith in God.
The problem is those that there are many theists and atheists that don't want to live according to high moral standards. They feel those moral laws don't apply to them personally nor any other laws.
You would have to tell me of actual experiments that I could preform if I had all of the tools and knowledge to do so that would prove that natural selection through random evolution is what created the conscience that we have along with telling me why there are so many animals and insects that don't have it at all or not to the high degree that mankind has it. Why are they still surviving without having it to the same degree that we need in order to survive, survival of the fittest.
I am pretty sure that if you really knew what the people that God told his own people to slaughter all of them and not let your eye feel sorry you would understand why. These ones to slaughter weren't law abiding citizens like Israel was during the times she obeyed her God. I am sure that if you had a lot of people living during the time of ones like the Aztecs that were into human sacrifice. Then you had some in the neighboring cities and towns of the Aztecs that had their people disappear. Then later one they find out that the Aztecs killed them in their ritual sacrifice, yes even young children. I am sure those towns would be so furious that they would abandon the normal rule of law and get together for the purposes of eliminating them so that their culture and religion won't survive. Their eyes will not feel sorry either even though some there would be women and children.
God bless the Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 Mother Mary and all the saints. God bless the Catholic Church
Why would you bless a Criminal Organisation that covers up child abuse?
science does not give morality so read THEOLOGY BOOKS
Neither does god. Only people define morality, and even then is changes often.
“Theology books” ? - like the christian genocide manual, aka the bible?
wow..this video went completely over your head. 🤣
The Father you spring from is the Devil. The God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbeliever. The ruler of the world, whever man may dwell, is the Morning Star. David is the Morning Star, your king who will be raised up for you. David has an everlasting covenenat with the Lord working for all his salvation and every desire.
The Ancient Serpent of Old will be utterly destroyed when he has his senses resotred, his kingdom returned and he becomes much greater than before, as the Ancient One of Days seated upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly. His people will be a kingdom of priests, the Assembly on the Mount... in hope that creation itself would be set free from slavery to corruption (Rom 8:20-21 NABO) The Son of David is presented to him and, in a final gesture in his work of salvation, washes his feet.
Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (Joh 12:31 NABO) ...in an intergalactic cruiser to Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO)
The Best Arguments against Religion on Any Topic: Every one of the thousands of gods asserted by human beings over the span of our existence has been invisible.
What about the most primitive religions with animals as their gods? Or even items.
@@digitalscale76 There's no meaningful difference.
God does not exist !
I'm certainly no Christian but the opening of this vid 0.22-0.42 is all of the old testament,so it is a bit dishonest to frame that as an argument against those who do believe in christianity ,which for those that don't know,do not espouse that archaic sentiment of the old testament.
Sam Harris the next Pope
Arguing against religion
LOLOLOLOL
Lets all pay
OHHH
I am sorry I mean meditate
amen
Such a comment is ridiculous and a great piece of stupid nonsense
I can't even watch these anymore. The stupid music is insufferable.
The first apologist conflates ideas of morality. That’s lying. Pretty sure that’s against his morality.