I've been studying this topic for years. I've noticed something stark. Those who lay out the case against the adoption of the Roman festivals of Christmas and Easter have presentations an hour long, two hours, sometimes 3 hours long... they lay it out point by point, and document things pretty thoroughly, with references. The conclusion is nearly always, "we need to do what the scriptures say." Those who support (or save) the Roman traditions in modern culture rely on short, emotionally related points, usually making 10 to 15 minute presentations, and the final conclusion is usually some variation of "to me, it doesn't mean anything pagan, and we are doing it for Jesus, so it's great!" In my mind, I have a choice. My family's traditions and my feelings, OR the way of life God told us to live, with His feasts and holy days, which have distinct meanings. I can live like my neighbors, or I can live like Jesus did. He DID say to follow Him, and told us to live as He did, after all. I encourage everyone to do real research on this topic. Ignore your feelings. Follow what the evidence says. If you decide to follow the ways of God, you will not be alone! Don't be afraid! There are millions of us that have made the decision to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.
Jesus was conceived six months after John the Baptist, who was conceived after his father finished Temple duties in the order of Abijah. Whether it was regular duty or one of the high holidays thst requires all priests, Scripture does not say. Whether one or both of those babies was born a little sooner or a little later than the nine month mark, Scripture doesn't say. There are probably six or eight months of the year Jesus could have been born. People who picknone specific day and insist He was not born then, but need to build a case and explain it, don't seem to know any better than anybody else. The main thing is, we pick a day and agree on it, and on that day celebrate Jesus the Christ entering the world in order to serve as our substitute in punishment. Like so many other minutae in history, God has obfuscated the detail of which day is truly Christmas. The lesson to take is that we need to recognize the concept.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan I think the Feast of Tabernacles is the day we were given in Scripture and history to celebrate both our Father and His Son coming down and being among us. Why should we take up or make up some other cultural or religious day other than what we were already given. Most people who reject the feasts take on at least some holidays and people who observe the Feast tend to reject the holidays.
This is a great example of how hard it is for Christians to give up the traditions of the heathen even when faced with overwhelming evidence of its pagan roots. This is the same issue the Jews had in the Old Testament. Mixing worship of false gods with worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There is nothing new under the Sun.
@@pilgrimwings1295 if you are using the computer as an idol to worship God then yes don't use the computer. does santa replace God? does all the pegan practices used at Christmas have anything to do with the his birth on dec 25th? if no then why are are they being used for his birthday. by the way we dont know when his birth is other than evidence that proves its not in the winter.
my opinion, you can sugar coat it any way you want but in the end christmas and easter are pagan rirituals adopted by the early church in an attempt to convert pagans into Christianity. the tree, the yule log, mistletoe, gifts, cute furry little bunnies and eggs, no matter what twist you want to put on them, they all come back to a pagan origin.
Do a quick search in your Bible software for "green tree" and you'll find the tree is symbolic for a reason... Here's just a few: Deut 12:2 "Completely destroy all the places where the nations which you are dispossessing served their mighty ones, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree." 1Kings 14:23 "For they also built for themselves high places, and pillars, and Ashěrim on every high hill and under every green tree." Isa 57:5 "...being inflamed with mighty ones under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys, under the clefts of the rocks?" Jer 2:20 “For of old I have broken your yoke and torn off your chastisements. And you said, ‘I am not serving You,’ when on every high hill and under every green tree you lay down, a whore." Jer 3:13 "Only, acknowledge your crookedness, because you have transgressed against יהוה your Elohim, and have scattered your ways to strangers under every green tree, and you have not obeyed My voice,’ declares יהוה." Eze_6:13 "And you shall know that I am יהוה, when their slain are among their idols all around their slaughter-places, on every high hill, on all the mountaintops, under every green tree, and under every thick oak, wherever they offered sweet incense to all their idols."
The shifting of the dates was not only a foolish attempt to "Christianize" pagan rituals, but was also a form of anti-semitism on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church. Passover, Tabernacles, Trumpets, Pentecost, etc.. all were meant for Christians and Jews alike.
@@dave1370 - If you can find a Scripture that tells you to do so, then go for it, but be warned what happened to Jeroboam when he made a "festival" which he "devised in his OWN heart." (see 1Ki 12:33)
I don't need a tree, lights, garlands, ornaments, santa clause magical lies, reindeer, yule logs, candy canes, egg nog, and tons of other material junk to celebrate Christ. The pagans do as much of these things and revere Him not! I'll take Truth over "traditions " Jesus told me how to celebrate Him and remember Him in His word. I will take the sacraments as often as I remember Him, and give Thanksgiving, Honor, Glory, and Praise to God daily through the reading and compliance of His word and prayer ❤
Mark 7:7. Jesus said, “In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…. All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.” (This includes the Catholic Church) Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. False Asceticism - regarding Bishops, Deacons, Elders 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid MARRIAGE and enjoin ABSTINENCE from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
@@ronnihatcher295 All those passages can help one learn what is being taught or preached by others, so a believer will know if they are being misled (having discernment). Roman Catholicism, which calls their priests "Father", they teach doctrines of men, (praying the rosary, to Mary, Saints), Mass, Confessing sins to men instead of to God, kneeling and praying to statues (2nd Commandment) no meat on Fridays - all these traditions are created by MEN and are found NO PLACE in the Word and will not lead you to salvation or eternal life - its not by WORKS its by the grace of God. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born [b]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me. If eternal life and salvation was about works, then why would we need a Savior, why did He die? Why is it called a gift if its about works? Then grace means nothing. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; NOT as a result of works, so that NO ONE may BOAST. I hope you soon start reading the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke and especially John, which teaches about salvation) and the rest of the New Testament.
@@ConcernedONETOO I believe that the one verse in the Bible that mentions a tree being brought in the house was actually talking about a carved idol figure. Most people don't take their trees for "service". But I also don't participate in most of the various holiday traditions to start with because of Jesus.
Guys... it was a pagan holiday that when the catholic church came to reach pagan England... it was druid, they slapped Jesus on Dec 25th. We should have nothing to do with idolatry but we should honor the holidays of the Lord. He gives way better festivals in His good book. When Christ returns that is what we will be celebrating. Not these pagan Jesus ified holidays
Before the Roman empire reached the British, the Donatist Christians of North Africa were celebrating His birth on December 25, as early as the 200's. And Augustine gave the fact that the Donatists celebrated Christmas, instead of the official RCC holiday about Mary, in early January, as another reason that he was right to persecute and kill them. If I could be convinced not to celebrate Christmas, I would make December 25, "Donatist Day", for the first Christians put to death by the supposed "church". Jesus said such things would happen: people would persecute and kill us, and think they were serving God when they did, but they would do it, because they had not known the Father, nor Him.
Agree, we need to look at scripture to see what God says how we should worship Him not men’s way. He tells us how. I think Moses and the 10 commandments is an excellent story portraying when humans decide how to worship.
Sadly, these guys are speaking of their own opinions- NOT the authority of Scripture. YHWH gave us His appointed times (holidays) to show us His plan of salvation. Yeshua was likely born during the Feast of Tabernacles (and He tabernacled with us). Creating your own holiday, deciding when and how you will choose to worship The Almighty is both arrogant and foolish. Read the Scriptures for yourself and learn the truth. Don’t follow blind guides into a ditch.
Amen, wise words. This is my first year doing away with all pagan holidays, and it’s very reassuring to hear someone who understands. No “redeeming” Christmas, no “Christianizing it.” Just. Don’t. Touch it.
Paganism in the church is a real problem. Regardless of what its origins were I find myself less and less inclined to actually celebrate Christmas every year. Like the Holy Spirit is just slowly drifting me away from it. I honestly really don't want anything to do with the world anymore and it's becoming less and less appealing by the day. If you guys want to celebrate it that's on you but for me? Not interested. I'm still going to pray on Christmas day like I pray every single day of the year. 365 days a year.
@@stefann975 Depends on if you celebrate it the way that the world has taken over it, or the way that it was originally celebrated. We celebrate Christmas by focusing on Christ and on giving mostly with purpose - to meet needs, although there is nothing wrong with giving frivolous gifts as well, if you can afford it. I think it's sad that so many people believe that Christmas is about paganism.
@@annep.1905 I m thankful everyday. Not just on thanksgiving day it is a life style. I am thankful To God that He demonstated His love by sending His Son to save us from the justice of God and having such a great atonement and propitiation for all believers in Christ. Salvation , Santification, Forgiveness , Faithfulness, imputed Righteousness all through Christ alone and Faith alone. What great eternal gift that never stops giving! Thank you Lord God that Christ glorified the Father and the Father justified the Son and the Son justifies and adopts us into His glorious kingdom . Amen That is Christmas!
@@stefann975 There is no evidence in the Bible, true, but there is evidence in early letters written by Christians one to another that Christmas was celebrated as early as 202 A.D., long before any pagan festival was declared on that day. Here is what Hippolytus of Rome wrote about it. "For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, eight days before the kalends of January [December 25th], the 4th day of the week [Wednesday], while Augustus was in his forty-second year, [2 or 3 BC] but from Adam five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty third year, 8 days before the kalends of April [March 25th], the Day of Preparation, the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar [29 or 30 AD], while Rufus and Roubellion and Gaius Caesar, for the 4th time, and Gaius Cestius Saturninus were consuls." Now if my understanding of the calendars is correct, what was at that time December 25th now falls on January 6th, which is why the Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas on January 6th, and not December 25th. Furthermore, it actually makes sense that Jesus would have been born during December, or January as the part about Shepherds watching their flocks by night makes sense at that time, for the grass is very lush in December because it is one of the rainiest months of the year in Israel.
To everyone that has commented on this video saying that we should not participate in christmas.... I take my hat off to you ,I was so surprised to see almost all comments condemning this. The Holy spirit is working through you ,please keep on spreading the truth in boldness and without fear.
MercifulServant on UA-cam explains the whole subject. You're being biaised. Quran mentions the birth of Jesus which is in Summer when there's actually dates in the palm tree. The mosques are full but the Doms are somehow empty. why? Cause people know what's right and what's wrong. Christmas is pegan, stop manipulating this subject. The actual reward for this is hellfire, remember. Birthday celebrations are "Bidaa-بدعة" in Islamic teachings. Holydays? Holidays? who made them holy? God? Allah? or the bible ? or you? if it's you then you're polytheistic already, if it is God? Jesus is not a God but a prophet. If it is Allah, bring a statement from the Quran or The Bible to defend that! A couple of manipulators using a manipulated (proven to be) book to push their false arguments forward. Do you feel certain that The bible is more authentic than The Quran? everyone is free to believe whatever he wants but let's put more efforts and research The Bible next to The Holy Quran.
@@Yazuofficial no I do not accept the quran nor your 'prophet' the Holy Word of God has been preserved in the KJV bible for us Christians. You see this is what happens when you steer away from the truth of God(Jehovah) and fall for doctrines of devils. You start thinking that we all serve the same God. When it comes to all different believes out there only one stands apart and that is not islam my friend but Christianity true Christianity states that salvation is a gift from God and Of grace and not of works, the rest of the worlds believe systems sais by some sort of work done by man. And this is the most important statement of Christianity the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord God without this their is no need for Christianity and the bilble has no place. And then the most important claim of the bible is in john14:6 , Jesus is the way the truth and the life NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM. If you have not christ you have no salvation
The December 22nd argument is not a good one as the Gregorian Calendar is out by 3 days, because Pope Gregory (where the calendar gets its name from) only corrected it to the time of the Nicene Creed - dated 325AD. So he fell short 300 years of correcting the date which amounts to 3 days. So to say that the Winter Solstice and Saturnalia feast was not during the same time as 'Christmas' is not true. If the calendar was corrected properly the winter solstice would be December 25th!
MercifulServant on UA-cam explains the whole subject. You're being biaised. Quran mentions the birth of Jesus which is in Summer when there's actually dates in the palm tree. The mosques are full but the Doms are somehow empty. why? Cause people know what's right and what's wrong. Christmas is pegan, stop manipulating this subject. The actual reward for this is hellfire, remember. Birthday celebrations are "Bidaa-بدعة" in Islamic teachings. Holydays? Holidays? who made them holy? God? Allah? or the bible ? or you? if it's you then you're polytheistic already, if it is God? Jesus is not a God but a prophet. If it is Allah, bring a statement from the Quran or The Bible to defend that! A couple of manipulators using a manipulated (proven to be) book to push their false arguments forward. Do you feel certain that The bible is more authentic than The Quran? everyone is free to believe whatever he wants but let's put more efforts and research The Bible next to The Holy Quran.
@Yazu Quaran is not Scripture It is an ancient version of the Book of Mormon, a heresy, and a trick of the Devil to deny Christ's divinity and drag people to Hell.
@@Yazuofficial the unholy Quran is more like it, but what does the Muslim book have anything to do with this topic? They don't even celebrate Christmas or Jesus.
I was surprised to find at a place that I had gained some confidence in truth, the complete disregard thereof. You demonstrated awareness of the tradition not being biblical and the commands with regard to the tree, and then dismissed them. I chose to separate from the world, but I condemn no one who does not. However, our teachers are held to a higher standard (James 3:1). Remember when you hear the words "come out of her my people" and don't think that they don't apply to you.
I sure hope these characters who are wearing their silly costume hats honoring some dead dude from Turkey instead of our Father in Heaven and who esteem their own days rather than those laid out in Scripture, read the comment sections!
@@sliglusamelius8578 I'm sorry that you don't know how to have fun without the elves on shelves, magical flying reindeer, and retelling lies of some fat old man delivering presents to all the "nice" children of the world.
So. It's okay to celebrate pagan gods as long as you call it Christian??? Remember the Isrealites made. cow and worshipped that and said it was in God's name. He didn't go for it then. He's not going for it now.
To what god? It would be one thing to have a "likeness" of moloch or baal in my home... but a tree? a tree of the evergreen sort? My wife wants one; we'll get it and not worship it. We'll worship God and His Son. God made trees, He didn't make moloch. A phone can be an idol but we all are using something like that. The pro Christmas or no Christmas thing seems to be a good situation for 1 Corinthians 8
@Markus E God the Father cannot be seen by men. Jesus obviously was seen by many, many men. Isaiah's prophecy tells us the Messiah will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, Mighty God. Jesus never once prohibited men from worshipping Him, even though many clearly did it. A blameless and holy man of God, Jesus would never allow a human to worship anything but God without rebuking them. There's plenty of other evidence too, like how in the Old Testament, pretty much every time it tells us the Angel of the Lord appeared to so-and-so, it was Jesus. Look at Gideon and the sacrifice he set on the rocks. Don't forget in Deuteronomy, when God creates latrines, He tslls the Israelites He walks among them. If your reading were strictly accurate, then every time He did so, there would be swathes of dead Hebrews, and that certainly would have been recorded. Jesus is God. The entire Bible proclaims it. Anyway, we still do well to celebrate Christmas. It's the second most important holiday. The first of course is Easter, and that one is so important we celebrate it every Sunday. Christmas is a celebration of when God became a man, in order to die for our sins so we could escape Hell.
What is happening at Christmas is “mixing.” Many well meaning Christians love Jesus and delight to celebrate a day for His birth, even though none will deny He was not born this day. The problem is the heart and the selfishness that usually comes. It turns out not to be about Him and a renewed effort to walk as He did, denying self. Instead it is all about them, their decorations, their celebrations. This is idolatry. Even if we don’t shape our trees into idols and worship as in Jeremiah 10, are we not in some way worshipping these things? With our time talents money and adoration? Think about it.
I would totally disagree. I just left a church in Jan 2022 because they were corrupt. I found a new one in 2 weeks, one that preaches the Word of God HOT. I'm not throwing away a day of celebrating the coming of salvation to the world because "some people" have become luke warm in their dedication to God. I will be that bright and shining light that points to Jesus (not Santa). I won't let other Christians (displaying their egos and Google intellects) ruin that day that was prophesied from Gen to Malachi. We were commanded to love each other by Christ. Feed, clothe, visit the least of these. It's a big deal to Jesus. I'm following Him. The commercial world cannot dilute that, taint it, darken it. Christians need to start following Jesus and quit fighting over a calendar date no one can validate.
Also, to compare the christmas tree and give it attribute of Christ, is simply not right. God does not share Hfdis glory with anyone. Nor do we need images of a tree to explain to kids how Jesus is the light!
@@jaysarie - The Bible says Jesus was hung on a tree. I don't worship a tree any more than I do a flower pot. You are allowed to teach your children anything you want. But to accuse other believers of sin because they have an electric tree is wrong. It's like saying a fancy refrigerator is a sin. It's immature. Electricity is not wrong. Lights on a tree is not evil. Idols are evil. Do you believe only vegetarians go to heaven or just meat eaters? It doesn't have to be either. I don't have to choose only one. I'm not limited to that God. Whether we eat.... we eat to God. Or whether we don't eat.... we don't eat to God. Let us be mature and love our fellow believers. There is no sin in celebrating the coming of salvation into the world. I reject Santa and the Easter Bunny but the Devil cannot take away Christ or Christmas. He doesn't have that power.
@@redfaux74 I love my brothers and sister that do celebrate christmas. I don t love what they do. This topic is so controversial to many Christians that we truly need to pray for one another. Have peace.
The early church assumed December 25 because they reasoned that God would have arranged to have Him conceived on the same day He would later be resurrected. December 25 was nine months after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
technically it wasn't that's from a book in the 1800s but regardless i think Mashiach was born in the spring or fall. but the problem with Christmas is the way people celebrate it with Santa and all that. but people are more likely to hear the gospel at this time of year which can be a blessing.
Do you have primary sources to show that Nimrod was born on December 25th. Please don't quote Alexander Hislop "The Two Babylons " book. It has been debunked
@@yeshuaislord3058 But you don't have to celebrate Santa Claus, to use the season and the Christmas carols to tell people that Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Sure, there are elements of sinful covetousness, and things like drunkenness and fornication are glorified by some people. I remember the liquor ads at Christmas, and how they were called "a little Christmas spirit", which was always really ugly. But would you be so "pure" that you'd be against putting a tract on a windowsill of that liquor store, while you're passing by? Or where other unsaved people might hear a message about the gospel? They might learn that Jesus was born a baby, into this world, to save us from our sin? You'd rather condemn the Christmas carols as "unclean", by a very tenuous association?
Seven...seven Feasts are what we are allowed and NONE of them have ANYTHING to do with ANY of our human holidays. If it's not ok in the Bible, then it's not allowed. Period. Every single one of our so called "Christian" holidays are pagan in origin. OUR human sensibilities don't change that FACT!
What about teaching your kids a lie about a mythical being called Santa clause? Flat out lieing to them? That's what thus scripture says? Don't think so. Read the context.
There is a real agenda to drive the world into the one world religion. Paganizing our God through evil theology, is part of it. They get rid of the character of God, making him more like a pagan God. It is very likely part of the same agenda. And the self-righteousness of all this accusation, they don't see as the problem that it is.
That and paganism is creeping into the churches themselves. If Christmas really is a pagan holiday that's the least of our concerns when churches invite yoga classes into their buildings and new age teachings into the pulpits. Some of you guys are going crazy about Christmas but there are some way bigger problems right now plaguing the church.
But look between the lines.. it was presented as pagan, but it seems like these woke leftists are telling us now, is that we're "selfish" for spending large amounts of money on these holidays and things of this nature. I'm getting a feeling that they would rather us not have any joy or celebration in our world and I can't for the life of me, figure out WHY..why is it selfish and morally wrong (in THEIR opinion)..Jesus first miracle was at a big, noisy celebration at a wedding. People joyously celebrating a marriage. Lots of money was probably spent. He was enjoying and celebrating.. Then he got the host and the host's servants out of a jam when the wine ran out. The Bible never says or even implies that celebrations are wrong.. The woke needs to go away.
It’s discussions like this that keep divisions among believers. There are more important things to be concerned about. Souls are at stake. Our children are under attack. Pastors are abandoning biblical integrity and truth to appeal to popular opinion and itchy ears. We are at war.
@@RivaZA1 When "The Great Tribulation" starts (just look around the world or maybe even locally), and it's coming sooner that later, you will without fail regret your decision. Those days will be severely testing for everyone, except True worshipers of Jehovah.
@MzParka Amen! The truth and salvation are in the Gospel. When a man acknowledges his sin and understands the penalty is eternity in Hell, then recognizes Jesus is God, and repents and asks Jesus to forgive his sins, he is born of the spirit, baptized in the Holy Spirit and made a new creation in Christ. This man is now a member of the church. The church is the body of Christ. There are seven flames on seven golden lampstands in Heaven, the seven spirits of the church. Looking at the types of denominations, I would say there is one with a long memory, one with deep reverence, one with the ability to abandon itself completely to the joy of worship, and so on. The several denominations of the church are inflenced by these seven spirits, and they perform different functions in service to Jesus. If Catholics are the long memory, the Baptists are the reverent imagination, the Pentecostals are the receptive heart, and so on, who are any of us to reject ine part of the body? Of course this explanatiin doesn't comport directly, but spiritually. Nobody is completely reverent without memory, completely given to praise without reverence, and so on. Spiritual matters do not like to be divided into discrete categories. The point is, the church is the church, regardless of denomination. We have no business as the eye or the hand, rejecting the foot or the ear. These petty, antidenominational battles are demonic and satanic. The devil knows a house divided against itself cannot stand. He is uing that fact to weaken the church and to stir hate up among people who are all loved by God. If a man accepts the true Gospel, then he is a Christian. If a Christian, then he is one with the rest. What God has put together, let no man put apart, and that meand His bride as much as your own.
Believers are already divided- wheat and tares. Judgement begins at the house of God. Not everyone who says Lord, Lord. Many are called but few are chosen. The great falling away will soon come and men like these are not grounded in Christ. They are so called christians seeking to marry the world with Christ
Idk I get the feeling of a lukewarm Christian in this video. Making excuses to participate in worldly traditions instead of realizing it has nothing to do with the messiah.
Forget needing to look back on the origin of Christmas, look at it right now. It is just gross... most people are putting up Santa and other figures, decorating some stupid tree and placing gifts under it, gorging themselves on food, overspending on "gifts" (usually just garbage the other person doesn't even need and many times doesn't even want). Honestly. It's barely any better than Halloween in its glorification of Christ. The whole holiday season feels like a bad Hallmark episode.
Christmas is a great time to spread the Gospel. Pointing out the Christian meanings of the symbols can be edifying. Santa is, of course, a representation of a Turk named Nikolas, whose life's work was to enrich the lives of those around him. He would do things like secretly provide dowries for poor virgins who had found men to marry them, but whose fathers couldn't afford to make the deal. The star of course, is the King Star, which shone over the resting place of the Holy Family, and led the Magi to the Savior. Gifts represent our imitatikn of God giving the greatest gift mankind had ever received, unearned and entirely out of love. The tree can have plenty of meaning, too. I don't remember all of them, but the lights were originally candles, and people would top it with an angel or a star. Some people put up Nativity sets, and so allow people to have a 3D image to help explain the Gospel to children and to spiritual children. I don't like the decorations at all, but my wife loves them. These things are only pagan if you deny God His glory in them. Remember, God is everywhere, in and through everything, and all creation declares His might.
I'm one of the ones defending the selective use of Christmas, and I hate everything you have described. But, because I defend Christmas carols, I am condemned with the ugly, worldly, godless parts of Christmas. Why is that?
@@joshuamelton9148 prayer is a good primary source. Pray and ask the Lord what he thinks of the holiday. He’ll show you what you need to know. And most of the time the guidance will be in His word.
@@BelovedofYah Yes, however believers need to operate in truth. If you make a claim that Christmas is of pagan origin and you did absolutely no research in proving your claim, then you are not operating in truth.
Your arguments are not very solid. First of all, the current calendar is not the same as the Julian calendar that was used in the Roman Empire. The winter solstice fell on around Dec. 25 in the Roman calendar. Also, bringing an object of pagan worship into your home and making it a Christian symbol "in your heart" does not justify it. Practicing things that pagans do but somehow associating it with something Christian or biblical does not sanctify a pagan practice. Many of the things people do at Christmas have their roots in pagan practices, especially Saturnalia. These traditions have no obvious connection to Christ or the celebration of His birth. Things like Christmas trees, and holly and mistletoe and drinking alcohol and Santa Claus and gift giving are among such things. Santa Claus is an obvious false god, which Christians really have no business embracing, but probably most Christians tell their kids about Santa Claus. He is a magical being with supernatural powers. This makes him a false god. I think it is wonderful for Christians to celebrate the birth of Christ, but holly and trees and Santa Claus, etc., have nothing to do with the birth of Christ.
I got bored of the tirade and skipped to the end. The lighted Christmas tree represents the beauty of the night sky, whose stars are set for us, for signs and seasons. That's why they get a star on top, representing the King Star the Magi followed. Nikolas was a Turk who dedicated his life to helping people. How accurate his protrayal is in the Christmas poem "The Night Before Christmas" is debatable, but irrelevant. It was a piece of entertainment for children before cartoons or radio, something to put them to sleep so their parents could do late night grownup stuff.
@@user-qm8nu5kg1i I guess people just get too attached to their traditions. Sometimes I think some Christians would find it easier to forsake their faith than to stop celebrating Christmas with all the non-Christian idolatry.
Just because people say it's NOT PAGAN, does not make it not pagan. When the Hebrews made the golden calf, they had a feast to God, even calling the calf "the God who brought them out of Egypt." God has already told us HOW to worship Him, Jesus and His disciples OBEYED God, and we should follow.
It is not wrong to make statues, as long as you don't worship them. Remember, there are 2 cherubim statues on the ark of covenant placed inside the Temple.
The origins of every man made holiday are pagan. Come on Christian’s. We should be celebrating the biblical holidays. Of those holidays are holidays to celebrate what Jesus did on the cross. Give me a break. Making excuses for celebrating pagan holidays is getting old.
Yess I agree. We stopped celebrating 3 yrs ago. I prayed and seeked the Lord's will and I felt like what he laid on My heart ❤ we should be celebrating the feasts and festivals that are in the Bible!!
@Hope Found I hear you! My husband and I are struggling with the same reality. But, I think it wouldn’t hurt to learn more about the feasts and festivals and just put them in place of the man made holidays, but not worship them of course.
@Hope Found Contrary to what Catholics and Protestants think, Christianity is not a Gentile religion. The covenants and promises were given to _Israelites_ (Rom. 9:4). You should also read Eph. 4:17-18 where Paul clearly says Gentiles are alienated from God due to rejecting His laws.
See Jim Staley's Truth or Tradition on UA-cam for better teaching. My eyes have been opened to culture. God called Abraham out of Babylon. He is calling his real church out now. I pray people will wake from thier sleep and Dry bones awake to God's ways.
Reject Santa, not Christ. There is nothing wrong with celebrating the coming of salvation into the world. Christ fulfilled the Old Testament. From Gen to Malachi. Our service to Him should brightly point to that. Our love should prove it.
@Kelly - I'm not celebrating anything except Jesus Christ coming into the world to give us salvation. I celebrate every book of the Bible. Not just Deut. I deeply love Deut. But the prophecy began in Gen 3 and continued thru Malachi. Every book in the Old Testament SCREAMS the Christ is coming to save mankind from sin and death. I'm not hostile, not hateful. But tell me what part of feeding the hungry, clothing the cold and visiting the lonely during the month of Dec is worshiping the Devil or any pagan belief? Jesus commanded us to do so. I take that seriously ALL year, not just in Dec. Just because a few Christians see similarities between some cults and some true Christian doctrines doesn't make Christmas bad. Many cults have stories of the dead rising. Does that negate Easter? No. The Devil has thousands of counterfeits. But thank God there is an authentic Christ, the way, the truth and the life. The Devil cannot steal that. He cannot take away my victory in serving the Savior. The Devil is powerless. We cannot let him cause division among us without consequences. I certainly reject Santa and the Easter Bunny but the Devil cannot take away the coming of Jesus into the world in the form of the Messiah. I won't let him do it with me.
Shalom Just to let you know christman was illegal in America for the first 200 years from its foundation. And where in the bible does it to keep this day holy. What is so wrong with Hanukkah? Yeshua celebrated it. This year it is from the 18th of December to the 26th.
If the Bible is our only source of truth, then there's no justification for the celebration of Christmas. I think y'all are forgetting that Christ exists eternally, Him being born is just Him taking up human form, and the whole point of Him coming to earth is to save us by dying on that cross for our sins, defeat death and come back to life which is where our focus should be at everyday.
You're right. The angels didn't celebrate or proclaim his birth and tell the shepherds to go worship him, so why should we? Oh wait, they did. Why shouldn't we? Yes, His death, burial and resurrection is the main focus, but that would not have happened had he not been born!
Show me the scriptures where the disciples celebrated Christmas years after his birth. Oh wait, you can’t. Yes, people did celebrate at the time of his birth because of the prophetic word of God was being fulfilled. Christmas is just tradition of men, and if you read scriptures you know what God says about that.
It is a sad time for a lot of people too. A lot of people are on their own, & they don't know the Lord, Jesus/yeshua(His Hebrew name) either. God bless those who are lost, lonely, grieving, or unwell. God loves you! Jesus/Yeshua, Loves you!!
Guys, you are making excuses to keep your traditions of man. It is not Biblical. There is a reason why it was outlawed for the first two hundred years of our country. They are pagan, there is a reason why pagans celebrate it. And Christmas mean dismiss Christ. Easter is a pagan holiday as well.
This pagan holiday stems from Babylon. Books to read: The two Babylons or the papal worship proved to be the worship of Nimrod and his wife by Alexander Hislop. And Babylon, Religious Mistery by Ralph Woodrow.
@john the vulcano Catholics are a part of the church, yes. Christmas is far from pagan though, considering it celebrates the birth of the one true God in human form. I can understand your confusion, since myriad pagans worship countless things, and one of them is the weather. Weather worshipping pagans who deify the change in the seasons have no bearing on the actual reason for the seasons, any more than eating a light bulb has anything to do with the reason God created electricity.
With all respect, knowing the source of Western Christianity (formal religion through 'Catholicism' or 'The Church of Rome'), we KNOW that many things we blindly accept at first are traditions borrowed from a hodge-podge of pagan beliefs, bound together by the melting pot that was Rome. From the time that The Church of Rome was given centralised prominence by the other Early Churches (because of it's physical position, it's nearness of "learned men" and favourable travelling routes), it was soon after co-opted by Ceasar who added Christ, blasphemously, to his alter filled with idols. From here, things changed gradually further and further from the Roots of Faith through Israel to Christ, into an empty, imperfect mirror image of The Gospel. Mary became THE prominent figure, despite being a Servant of Christ and was instead made the idol of the Catholic Church. 'The Feminine Divine" is central to almost ALL pagan idols/fallen angels and worship of a woman above man was (and is again becoming!) the heart of every pagan society (Please see the MANY names of ashera throughout the ages!). Red robes are also key in pagan worship, as is burning incense and "anointing" others with "holy incense". The Church of Rome distorted, chased down, murdered and oppressed those who safe-guarded The Word of God (please see Waldenses/Abegenses and Jesuitism) and persecuted all followers of 'The Way' until they ruled supreme, changing and withholding the very Word of God until the Reformation. It would not be surprising that they co-opted the date of a worshipped fallen angel to become the Birthday of Christ so that they might better force the people under their authority (which they ruled over thousands of miles) to accept the new 'god' of Rome. That all being said, should we still revere the 25th December to Worship Christ? For me personally, everyday is a good day to worship Christ so I have no problem with all the Christians of the world, coming together to Worship Him communally on this day. Do I believe that December 25th is Christ's Birthday - I have no idea! What I do know is that He is Alpha and Omega, beginning and end. Worshipping the day He physically was born through Mary would be idolatrous, as would worshipping the day He was crucified! Worshipping Him on those days is not in the least Idolatrous, neither is incorrectly congregating on a Sunday and calling it 'The Sabbath' - all these things point to Christ! I DO have a problem with the "Father Christmas" cult today, where Christ has been utterly removed in schools and wider society to be replaced by a larger than life bearded, score-keeping octogenarian in a red suit (those pagan robes again!), flying around and "magically" breaking into homes to leave gifts for children who he seems to know omniciently exactly how to provide for?! It sounds a lot like God, only completely without God. This is repulsive to me and is why I was convicted to remove it from all Christmas decor, gifting, etc, etc. Ask The LORD to show you the way, He certainly did for me and gave me His Peace over the situation. God Bless you all today xx
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the word Christmas originates from the phrase “Cristes Maesse”, first recorded in 1038, which means the Mass of Christ or Christ's Mass.
There were similar days for myriad celebrated figures. Michaelmas was a real thing. Christmas has survived, and its anachronistic name confuses people who don't bother with any type of history.
Of course, "the Catholic Encyclopedia" is going to emphasize the resemblance of "mas" to "mass", and they are probably etymologically related, although distinct in their meaning. They also insist that Jesus established the RCC, and made Peter the first pope, and they ignore that Jesus said Simon was _"petros",_ masculine, little stone or pebble, and on this _petra,_ feminine, big, "mama" rock, "I will build my church". But as someone here pointed out, it is not a "Mass" without a Eucharist.
0:43 this is a fallacy. Just because something has Lord Jesus Christ name on it, doesn't mean it's actually okay with God. For example Catholics call themselves Christians but they worship Mary and worship statues and other false idols. Look at the prosperity gospel folks, their god is Mammon, money. Also calling themselves Christian but actually aren't. Lord Jesus Christ is not a tree. That's literally the same thing Catholics do when they kneel before graven images of Lord Jesus Christ or His earthly mother. It's IDOLATRY. Second Commandment guys. 5:45 Lord Jesus Christ is ETERNAL. THE BEGINNING AND THE END. THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. He has no birthday because He is LITERALLY God.
If you were worshipping the tree, it would be idolatry. If it takes the place of God in your heart, that's idolatry. But literally next to no one in the world worships a Christmas tree, although the devil has probably got someone, somewhere, doing it, maybe just to defy God. And the idolatry of putting something in our hearts where God should be, is everywhere in our lives, and to be repented of on a case by case basis. Our homes can become that kind of idol to us; we don't abandon our homes, but repent from idolizing them. Even our families can become an idol to us. We don't abandon our families, but repent from idolizing them.
@@lindajohnson4204 This argument is weak, because the mere act of giving the tree a status of sacredness violates God's commandments. That is what inherently makes Christmas wrong. Trees are always placed in an area where it is given a maximum amount of importance, and therefore makes it an idol.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Is a 65" TV an idol? Us a painting an.idol? Both could be, but placing the where they can be easily seen does not make them an idol. How about pictures of your family? Are there pictures of your family or friends where they can be easily seen? Does that make them idols? How about a stop light in an intersection? Is it an idol? I see that you always obey it, "idolater". All of those things, a human being could turn into an idol, but their presence in a prominent place does not make them idols. These are hypocritical, false accusations, to make yourselves look more righteous because you condemn us. And, by the way, a Christmas tree is not a necessary part of using Christmas to tell people about Jesus. But it can be a thing of beauty, in a dark time. The lights help people with seasonal depression, and they are, after all, lights that are at least sometimes dedicated to Jesus, the Light of the world. Darkness does a number on some people, and physically cal lights help. To accuse everyone of idolatry, who wants to see something living and beautiful in their home, or who do well when there are lights, is pretty unloving. You're condemning the innocent, but I'm pretty used to it by now. It does not come from Jesus. It is not inspired by the Holy Spirit. But "feel good about yourself", as the world is always saying.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Does God call everything beautiful, evil? Why, when the beauty is His creation? Is it always Druid tree worship, when we admire the beauty and fragrance of a tree? Could anything natural ever glorify God? Isaiah 60:13 *The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.*
Jeremiah 10:1-5 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. 3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. 5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.” I have no problem with Christmas, however I have a big problem with the pagan decorations such as Christmas Trees, Wreaths, and Missletoe. Everything else is pure if Christ centered.
But remember God himself said he wpuld decorate His Temple and even say that He's like a tree w FRUITS! Christmas Tree ; Hosea 14:8 (WEBM) "...I am like a green fir tree; from me your fruit is found." _ Isaiah 60:13 (WEBM) “The glory of Lebanon shall come to you, the fir tree, the pine, and the box tree together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious."
Well said; and the one day that Jesus celebrated and kept, even stating He is Lord of it, is God's holy seventh day sabbath (Genesis 2, Exodus 20, Isaiah 58, Matthew 12).
@@Project144K Needless to say I'm a fan of th3e consistency of God's Word since the immutability of God is what allows us to find solace and everlasting comfort in Him.
I'm one of the ones so torn on this issue. I've researched plenty of pagan practice related to Christmas. In my personal opinion, "celebrating the birth of Jesus" just isn't enough reason for me to celebrate the "holiday" because Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. No one knows when he was born but you can get a good idea when reading scripture that it was most likely between September and October because the shepherds were out in the pastures attending their flocks and they would have no reason to be out there during the late part of the year or after the harvest season. I appreciate Answers in Genesis for their argument but I still believe it's unbiblical and if you're celebrating a birth on December 25th then you're celebrating the wrong Jesus.
I think most Christians know December 25 is a traditional date, not a historical one, but we choose to celebrate one of the most amazing events in history on that date so that we can all celebrate it together. Isn't the fact millions of Christians are gathering to reflect on the birth of our savior on that particular day a really good reason to celebrate Christmas?
@@BrianJohnson-lx3zd absolutely not. The blind follow the blind and they all fall in ditches. God gave use Holy days to celebrate. Christians may not be the "house of Israel" but if we were "grafted in" through Jesus then, in my opinion, we need to still establish and uphold the laws, and celebrate God's Feast days and Holy days. I'd rather christians fellowship with our Messiah's people, the Jews, and celebrate with them since we were made part of those people through the work of Jesus our Lord.
@@XxOHKOxX You don't sound particularly torn, lol. Nevertheless, as long as in celebrating the Holy Days and observing the Law you don't fall into the trap of the Galatians "observing days, and months, and seasons, and years," and "submitting to the yoke of the Law" then our differences come down to Colossians 2:16-23 and Romans 14 "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God."
Amen and well said. May God and Christ continue to bless you mightily. According to Scripture, there is only one "holy day" that God has required mankind to honor and keep in reverence and love to Him; and that is the seventh day sabbath (Genesis 2, Exodus 20, John 14).
Some think He may have been born on the Feast of Trumpets or the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. In any case, keep God's Holy days. They are commanded and have meaning, that's what Paul meant when he said they are a shadow of things to come. Yahshua was crucified on Passover, that was no accident, and even Paul said to keep that feast. The Apostles received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, that was no accident. The next feast after Pentecost is the Feast of Trumpets and Yahshua will return with the blowing of seven trumpets, that's no accident. There are disagreements about the meanings of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles, but they have meaning and that's why we keep them.
For the poor, Christmas is a living nightmare. You get left out. If you do have somewhere to go, you are always empty-handed. It's embarrassing. Those who do manage to have something to give at that time, end up going without for months. There is so much shame put on the less/unfortunate at this time of year.
Which is why we ought to turn from the emphasis on affluence and sinful greed, but still keep the testimony of Jesus, the part the world is trying to get rid of.
This is why we feed them in abundance, clothe them, invite them in, love them. We point them to Christ on this great day, the coming of salvation, the greatest day ever. Jesus said "You didn't feed me, clothe me, visit me. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." And they said "When did we see you hungry, naked and lonely?" And Jesus replied "When you did it not to the least of these you did it not unto me." We are called to be lights in this world. Reject Santa, not Christ. Be bright and burning lights on this day for Christ. Every day of the year but especially The Day of the Coming of Salvation to the World. Point to Jesus. Love people BIG. It has nothing to do with Dec. It has to do with YOUR last day in judgment. Follow Christ.
I guess the question is: what do you do to help? Do you lift a finger to provide relief to the poor? To spread goodwill and cheer? Or do you simply fold your arms and declare the world an ugly place? Newsflash: the poor remain just as miserable when you do that. Maybe you should focus instead on the original intention of gift-giving: that of charity, goodwill and cheer. P.S. And God help you if you simply use it as an excuse not to do anything.
I saw the fruits of the Christmas holiday spirit ….greed , envy , lust , gluttony . There is only one spirit I want the fruits of and that’s the Holy Spirit and I found them in Gods Holy days ( Passover , unleavened bread, first fruits , Pentecost, trumpets atonement and tabernacles ) the story starts with a sacrifice and ends with eternity . Praise Yah! His word gives us life , mans traditions won’t last forever but his word will . By grace we are saved but by obedience he will know us , the wheat from the tares for his people bow down to his commands . If we call ourselves his we ought to walk as he walked . There is nothing new under the sun , we learn what was and what is so we can prepare for what is to come and we all must come out of Egypt. Christmas never prepared me for anything , it just left me physically, mentally , spiritually and financially drained. That’s not what God wants for us , it’s clear from the fruits which way is Yah’s way .
@@Detroitstarlight- You're not required to honor it. But don't condemn others because of your lack of judgment in previous years. There is so much joy we can bring others in Christ's coming. Whatever you do, do it wholly unto the Lord. Let Jesus be seen in you no matter what you're doing.
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. Sabbaths are weekly and Monthly and Feasts. Given to us for very specific reasons. The rest are man made. As for me and my house.... Truth in love💕
Therefore let no one judge you with regard to what you eat or drink.... THE SUBSTANCE IS CHRIST. We are not required to keep the Old Testament feasts and Holy Days. We are free in Christ. Another verse says "One man observes days, another considers every day alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind." Finally: Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God." The point of keeping Christmas, for me, is threefold. It is to help teach the next generation. It is to show outwardly the joy that we have because of Christ coming to earth, and it is a time for giving, and reflecting on giving.
Jeremiah 10:2-4 [2]THUS SAITH THE LORD, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be NOT dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. [3]FOR THE CUSTOMS OF THE PEOPLE ARE VAIN: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. [4]They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Yes I would have been nice if they quoted the entirety of the verse set. The ones who are led by a spirt of deception are the ones who always butcher, manipulate, or only use pieces of verse of scripture. They also make the assumption that that they will be viewed as the authority so not checked by the masses. Is despicable.
Do you mean politics? How to program computers? How to cook "pagan" food (which is basically all of it)? How to bandage a wound, or do surgery? How to be an airline pilot? I don't believe God was saying don't learn their ways in anything, but don't learn their ways of worship or religion.
@soldier7332 You should read Jeremiah chapter 10 and let it speak to your heart without commentary. It is definitely not about a wooden statue, it is about a tree taken from the forest and decorated. The chapter NEVER says that they bowed down to it, worshipped it, or did anything in modern times we would consider to be an idolatrous practice. Yet, it still clearly states DO NOT learn the way of the gentiles or heathen and states that the custom is FUTILE. We have God's word speaking clearly then we have a commentator who loves modern day Christmas and cannot bear to let it go.....me and my house will serve the Lord choose who you will.
No - you must TEACH others not to follow Christmas also - this is your duty as a Christian. Jesus said, "Feed My Sheep." Do not have an "I don't care" attitude - because you must care - and do not be lukewarm - Jesus hates lukewarm Christians. Get in there are start preaching and teaching.
In theory that is very true. Each person will be judged By God. I really don't celebrate it either, and don't believe it to be Jesus' b-day either! I don't judge the people who do because He said that is not my job!! But I also would not argue with the ones who choose that. I would give them my opinion if they asked. And most of the adults are aware of it's origins etc. We need to preach the Gospel and no where in the Bible does it say to teach others to not follow Christmas. I don't believe Christmas is even mentioned in the Bible.
Why would Satan want to usurp the birth, death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior with fables and myths (Hum can't think of a single reason) Today most people will not endure sound doctrine, having become "masters' of mythology and ignorant of scripture. If they spent as much time studying the original as they do the fakes they would grasp more quickly who it is that is deceived...
The Almighty Himself led me out. In the begging of my exodus it began as a "nudging and deep sorrow beyond description," I percieved it as breaking/aching of His heart". [Even despite my genuine efforts to make this practice/celebration to be about Him] Though I pulled out respectfully, xtended family was ignited with me..... that was a bit telling I thought. I cannot play along,even with the purest intentions, to the easter, xmas, flag worship, president worship, pledges of any sort, etc. Not condemn anyone else but I am unable and cannot do any longer. I cannot unknow what I know. I cannot ask Almighty God to show me that I no longer be deceived and then still participate. I have and continue to ask Almighty to please give me eyes to see, ears to heart, and to be my discernment as I do not want to be deceived any longer, on any front as to what is going on and coming..... He has, continuously. My heart prayer for us all; Let all who are Yours and all who will be yours, be not deceived, in any way, on any front any longer,.... Let our hearts, faith, and love not grow cold. Let us not fear, whom, what, all that we ought not to. Let us not bend the knee to evil, beast system, sin and darkness. May every weapon formed against yours, fail and fall back on the evil ones. May you lead many out of darkness to faith, deliverance,hope and life through Jesus THE Christ. Be our peace, comfort, assurance, confidence, hope, portion and the love of our lives. Bless us to be faithful even unto death. And to You be all glory, power and praise!
@@dellaswanson9837 Yes, dear one. That was a hard one. I considered my self a patriot, a constitutionalist and a respecter of those who do and have given thier lives for us. BUT,.... It was shown to me as idolatry, so for ME, it would be a sin now to partake. It is heartbreaking that many Christians wouldn't understand and be offended or angry with me for such. Think we need to humbly and prayerfully share but allow The Holy Spirit to lead them. My heart hurts so much for the "falling away of many" which is to come.
Amen and well said. May God and Christ continue to bless you mightily. For just as the papacy took that "December 25" pagan fertility ritual and "Christianized" to society, likewise they took that pagan fertility ritual of the "day of the Sun" and "Christianized" and blasphemously stated it was also for Christ.
Sad to think that two intelligent men with strong Biblical knowledge can sit down and completely ignore the Scriptures. Not only that but speak a blatant LIE: Bodie Hodge (039): "Christmas - Christ, mas. It doesn't mean Mass, what it means is Christ's celebration." Christmas (n.) "Church festival observed annually in memory of the birth of Christ," late Old English Cristes mæsse, from Christ (and retaining the original vowel sound) + mass (n.2). mass (n.2) "eucharistic service," Middle English messe, masse, from Old English mæsse, from Vulgar Latin *messa "eucharistic service," literally "dismissal," from Late Latin missa "dismissal," fem. past participle of mittere "to let go, send" (see mission). Some suggest that we ought to celebrate our Messiah, so it's okay to just pull a date out of thin air and celebrate... Look what happened to King Jeroboam when he decided to do the same: "So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had DEVISED OF HIS OWN HEART; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense." (1Kings 12:33)
One leads to the other because that's what blending worship of God with pagan traditions inevitably leads to: seduction into idolatry. This is why the Bible is full of warnings against mixing worship of God with the practices of neighboring cultures: it would eventually change and pervert the true meaning.
Sol Invictus's birthday is 25 th December Egytian God Ra's birthday is 25 th December Baal's birthday is 25 th December Tammuz's birthday is 25 th December
Spot on. Thank you and God blesses you mightily. For Luke 2 notes that there were shepherds keeping watch over the flocks by night. No shepherds would be doing that in December (and not Dec 25) because that's the winter rainy season in Bethlehem.
Hey AIG crew! In your teaser it is mentioned that you would tell when Christmas was first celebrated, but I didn't hear that. When did people start observing Christmas?
Probably really quickly. They mention Saturnalia in the video, but the fact is that EVERYONE had winter solstice celebrations. So here's a time of year when pretty much all religions have some sort of feast, but Christians didn't. So someone just said "Let's just celebrate Jesus' birthday, then, since we don't actually know when it was anyway, that's a day as good as any other". There are mentions of Christians remembering and celebrating the birth of Jesus from the 2nd century, but they don't say which day, but there is no reason to believe that it was not December 25th. So likely this was a widespread practice by then. Later this has become embarrassing for Christians for some reason, don't ask me why. The Gregorian calendar was introduced because the Julian calendar goes one day wrong every 100 years. And they decided to fix that. But did they fix that so that midwinter was moved back to December 25th, as it originally was? Nope, they decided that the "correct" date was at the Council of Nicea 325, making the winter solstice the 21st or 22nd. Why? I think it was because having the winter solstice on Christmas would have made it blatantly obvious that Christmas isn't actually Jesus' Birthday, but a solstice celebration. So that's it. Christians made up Christmas early so they would have something to celebrate too.
@@RegebroRepairs From my research, Saturnalia was celebrated at the end of summer AND Messiah's day of conception (Chanukah) was always celebrated by Christians on the NOT winter solstice day December 25th. Just as the rainbow has been hijacked, someone in the 2nd or 3rd century noticed Christianity rising and got the idea to move Saturnalia to December 25th as a method of sabotage. How long will it be until Christians start canceling GOD'S rainbow just like Christians have cancelled Christmas?
God said " you shall not do so unto me ". He didn't say " take it back and use it to the glory of God ". God gave us days to commemorate/celebrate. If you glorify God, then do what He said instead of following pagan traditions that God condemns very plainly in the Bible. You can't " take back " something that was never biblical in the first place.
Unfortunately they didn’t answer the question on where Christmas originated. They gave plenty of explanations on where it didn’t come from. Why do Christians celebrate it on December 25? Was Jesus born in the winter? If it were not pagan, then why did the first settlers in America ban Christmas? Lots of unanswered questions to protect that which you don’t want to give up.
I've noticed the merchants have now led the way for the greatest majority of people to jump from one pagan celebration to the other-halloween to christmas. Aside from closing and taking the day off - no attention is placed on giving thanks at all. The one day of observance we professing believers celebrated in honor of our God gets completely overlooked for its original purpose. It has become all about gluttony football and shopping. I don't see too many talking to family because they are on their devices. Few even pray before eating and if/ when they do it's a flippant empty ungrateful duty of just saying a mantra with no heartfelt meaning.
Few seek God before condemning, either. They flippantly go by their own biases and inclinations, with little concern for what they remove from the world by so doing. The _Book of Enoch_ and the _Gospel of Zeitgeist_ ...
It's getting that way with Thanksgiving, too. Thanksgiving USED to be recognized as the 2nd most important American religious holiday next to Independence Day. Now neither are recognized as religious.
@@mattk6719 People can use it for thanks-giving, to highlight and uphold giving thanks to God, and it will help other people remember to give thanks to God. That may not spawn a mass movement of Thanks-giving, but it will enrich the spiritual lives of the people who let it. But it is not like it's only now getting away from thanks-giving. It was proclaimed "Turkey Day" for at least two decades, the 70s and the 80s, a practice reinforced and upheld by the whole media, before it began to be treated like Thanksgiving Day, again. It was called "Turkey Day" in the media, almost exclusively, for many, many years.
In the 60s movie, "Lilies of the Field", the protagonist ends the story by being angry and grieved, that the nuns thanked God, and not the human who built the stairs, himself. That was definitely represented as the correct, humanistic way to approach all gifts, as coming from the hand of man, not God. We should thank God, and also thank any humans who come to our aid.
Don't be so in love with the things of this world (like Christmas time) you forget your first love. It's not a time to celebrate Christmas it's just another day to spread the gospel with out the guise of man's worldly traditions better known as Christmas. Matthew 24:5 comes to mind. It's not just people but things of people that come in his name. CHRIST-mas. It bears his name but it is not of him.
I'm sure that every day of the year, some pagan group somewhere around the world celebrates something. Every day belongs to God. Christ was born; God kept His promise to mankind! The angels celebrated, and so do I!
I was thinking along those same lines... that if a lot of Christmas naysayers knew what was celebrated by pagans on their own birthdays, they wouldn't know how to handle this argument. Aside from the pagan's evil practices and idolatry, not everything the pagans did was wrong. Just like some unbelievers today, they contributed to advancements through inventions that benefit the people around them.
I'm so glad that God will not only judge our actions, but also our hearts as well. We can squander the opportunities that God has given us to display HIS love (not ours) to the world by going too far on EITHER side of this issue. I believe that both sides of the argument can learn from the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30 & Luke 19:11-37). Who was the rich man/king angry with? The one who did nothing with what was given to him. To those who don't want to celebrate Christmas 'as the world' does - fine, don't do any of that. But what ARE you doing leading up to that day? I just caution those of you who don't participate that doing so does NOT make you more 'holy' than your brothers and sisters. Let's take our cues from Matthew 25:31-40. Sure we can do parts of that list every day, but Christmas is a time when we can do ALL of them at once. Why are we wasting this time just because people believe that the devil touched it with his 'pagan-making' hands? Name something that the devil HASN'T touched? Do we just give up on marriage because the devil touched it? Do we give up on our schools because the devil touched them? Do we give up on music because the devil touched it? Cut out the bad part and fill it up with what should be there. Cut out the pride and put humility there. Cut out the greed and put charity. Cut out the selfishness and put selflessness. Let God change our hearts first and fill it with His love, and we'll find that we will eventually come around to celebrating not only Christmas, but all the other holidays a bit differently.
@ Matthew Collins ummm NO. Celebrate Christ daily. Worship Him in Spirit and Truth. It’s just a tradition and we know what Jesus said about traditions. He’s worthy daily of our worship and praise. Most of the time in churches, people only come at Christmas and Easter. So, there you have it. The opportunity to display God‘s love is not just set aside for one day.
@M O The Scriptures don't give a whole lot of clues for us to figure out when Jesus was born, but you seem pretty confident you've found an answer. The Hebrew religious calendar was very different from ours. Twice per year, the father of John the Baptist would be on duty at the Temple. There were also high holidays, wherein _all_ the priests would have had work to do, whether it was their cycle week or not. Humans gestate for a range of weeks, depending on how long the baby takes to get ready. A couple weeks one way or another, for two babies, easily adds up to a month morenor a month less. So, fifteen months, plus or minus a month, from two points in the year, or from the high holidays, leaves something like six or eight months Jesus could have been born. How can you be so sure none of those months were December?
The fact that they do not know the WHOLE history if how christmas came to be. This is wrong in so many levels. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing. Christmas is a Godless and pagan practice no two ways about it and these two men need to study their word and push the death of Christ and not this faux celebration of his birth. The devil is a liar!!!!!
Because the lsraelites decided to do things their own way, instead of God’s way, they made themselves out to be their own gods. Though they fully and sincerely wanted to follow God, they followed themselves and their own heart instead. This is what we do for Christmas and Easter, Thanksgiving we take the ways of man and days of false gods and then offer it all to God and except Him to smile while we pleases ourselves in the process it’s hard but it’s the truth. 😢 We can’t take back what was not ours in the beginning.
That's right. We must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, there is nothing truthful about the practice of Christmas. Taking pagan practices and calling it worship of God is dragging His good name through the mud. Would we put up statues of Baal in our living rooms and call that worship of God? No. So why would it be ok to erect a pagan-decorated tree and call that worship? Just have to shake my head.
Thank you. Amen. These men are keeping themselves comfortable in their practices. And they’re so called leaders in the faith. Sad. Sadly we can’t trust any man, only God. All of these men turn out to be wolves in sheeps clothing.
Celebrating the birth of Christ is not a sin. If God celebrated it with His Angels and showed us how important it was for man then surely we can listen to God. Satan wants people not to think Christ's coming is not important. It was prophesied in the entire Old Testament, over and over and over..... Satan has definitely infiltrated the church in the form of hate.
@@Baconator9k Are you suggesting that pagan practices are ok if they don't involve death? You might want to rethink your position and focus on what God says.
The conception that Christmas had pagan foundations started to be viral in the 17th century with the English Puritans and Scottish Presbyterians, who abhorred all Catholic things. They detested the feast days, specifically the Christmas feast with its joyous observances, celebrations and customs. Given that the Bible did not provide specific date of Jesus’ birth, the Puritans contended that it was a sinful device of the Roman Catholic Church that should be eliminated. Subsequently, Protestant preachers like the German Paul Ernst Jablonski attempted to establish unverifiable works that December 25 was actually a pagan Roman feast, and dissuaded that Christmas was yet another example of how the medieval Catholic Church ‘paganized’ and corrupted ‘pure’ early Christianity. About the same time, the Jesuit Jean Hardouin with his odd theory of widespread counterfeit that positioned in disbelief every historical source known, supported the Puritans. However, his research was largely questioned given his illogical assertions. For example, he claimed that all the Church Councils that transpired before Trent were fabricated and almost all the classical texts of ancient Greece and Rome incorrect, developed by monks in the 13th century. These contentions are obviously ridiculous, given the innumerable source documents reversing his “opinion”. These two primary personalities claims for Christmas having pagan origins fantasize that the early Church chose December 25 so as to divert Catholics from Roman pagan festival days. The first claim pretends that it replaced the ancient Roman holiday of Saturnalia, a time of feasting and raucous merry-making held in December in honor of the pagan god Saturn. It’s interesting to note that the Saturnalia festival always ended on December 23 at the latest. It is baloney for the Catholic Church to move away the attention of her faithful from a pagan celebration, and choose a date two days after that party which had already ended and anyone who desired had already made much of it. Christmas established before the pagan Sun festival The second assertion is that the Catholic Church allrgrdly instituted Christmas on December 25 to replace a solar feast made up by Emperor Aurelian in 274 AD, the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birth of the Unconquered Sun). The piece of evidence that Christmas penetrated the world calendar (the instituted Roman calendar) in 354 - which was after the establishment of the pagan feast - does not essentially mean the Church preferred that day to substitute the pagan holiday. There are two major grounds which harmonize with this conclusion: 1.) The detractors must not simply presuppose that the early Christians only started to celebrate Christmas in the 4th century. Until the Edict of Milan (a proclamation that permanently established religious toleration for Christianity within the Roman Empire), Catholics were persecuted and convened in catacombs (where the most important pontiffs of the third century would be buried), Therefore, there was no public festivity. But they celebrated Christmas among themselves prior to that Edict, as hymns and prayers of the first Christians corroborate. 2.) Emperor Aurelian launched the festival of the Birth of the Unconquered Sun in an attempt for a rebirth of a dying Roman Empire. In all probability, the Emperor’s action was a reaction to the growing attractiveness and strength of the Catholic religion, which was celebrating Jesus’ birth on December 25, rather than the other way around. There is no substantiation that Aurelian’s celebration preceded the feast of Christmas. Aside from which, the establishing of this festival day (which never won popular support and soon died out) was an effort to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Catholics. Dates derived from the Scriptures Albeit the Christmas date was not made official until 354, undoubtedly it was established long before Aurelian established his pagan feast day.🤔🤔
Anyone who celebrates Christmas needs to remember our sinful nature and our need for him. Not worry about how many gifts we can give or receive. The best gift we had ever received has been turned into a joke. A money grab. And we should be ashamed of ourselves for buying into it at all. I’m not proud of any of it. Going to the store makes me sick!
I am disgusted at all the years, all the money, the stress of running around trying to please man when all I needed to do was to accept Jesus and care only what HE thought. I have not celebrated Christmas in years and it doesn't bother me any. It does not make Him love me any less or more or me love Him any less.
@@anneshirley95How does the astronomers giving gifts to celebrate the king of glory coming into the world, translate to giving vain gifts to other people? The Magi didn’t even give gifts to the him *on* the day he was born.
@@NANA-fh6we Not everyone gives gifts in vain. You don't know everyone's hearts. If that's what you do, then by all means, don't. Some people love cooking and giving gifts to their family and love to make them happy. Big shocker. 🤷♀️ yeah, it didn't happen on the day he was born, but that why it's called symbolism. If you can't celebrate Christmas by honoring Jesus and giving to family, friends and strangers without thinking you're somehow worshipping pagan idols, then again, don't.
Sol Invictus's birthday is 25 th December Egytian God Ra's birthday is 25 th December Baal's birthday is 25 th December Tammuz's birthday is 25 th December
@Bayam you clearly didn't even watch the video. Sol invictus was started many years after it was already documented that Christians were celebrating the birth of Christ.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Really It is also a fact that ancient God Ra, Baal, Mithra, Dagon has the same birth day which is 25 Dec.. Do you know how old is this belief?? Is like maybe 3000 years old if I am not wrong?? Maybe more old than that
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Really It is also a fact that ancient God Ra, Baal, Mithra, Dagon had the same birth day which was 25 Dec.. Do you know how old are these belief?? These are like maybe 3000 years old if I am not wrong?? Maybe more old than that
It seems to be the trend when it comes to the controversial holidays to say “that’s not what it means to me.” I have been looking for an example in the scriptures of God asking someone what something means to them and I have yet to find anything even resembling that i n some way. I have found in my searching plenty of examples of God punishing harshly his people for not adhering to his laws. I would then say that I will fear my God above all others and I will obey my God above all others and I will Love my God above all others.
James 1:27, Isaiah 1:11-15, God detests our feasts, new moons, and celebrations, but he gave us 7 feasts to be observed for all time. Why did we stop observing something he prescribed? Also, if you want to pick a birthday go 9-11. Genesis 1:14 Rev 12:1-9 these constellation and celestial alignments happen only 1 time in history for 81 minutes.
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. How can you be holy which means (set apart) if you are a part of the world keeping their traditions. Mark 7:8-9 For laying aside the commandments of Elohim, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of Elohim, that ye may keep your own traditions. You can't serve two masters.
Christmas IS the Feast of Saturnalia. It doesn’t matter of the day is a little off (it’s not way off) and it doesn’t matter if people who CLAIMED to be Christians observed it in the old times. It doesn’t matter if there’s been some tweaks. The bottom line is Christmas plants it’s roots in idol worship. It violates the 1st and 2nd commandments, and so nobody who observes Christmas will enter The Kingdom of God.
Right you are ! Matthew 2: 11 shows the Nativity scene is incorrect. King Herod himself didn't know when Jesus was born that is why he had all boys age two and under murdered in attempt to kill the Christ child .
Some of the “logic” behind why I don't celebrate “Christmas” which you are free to take or leave... I think the biggest reason people celebrate and defend "Christmas" simply comes down to the deeply entrenched warm gooey feelings they got from it as children (primarily from the excitement from getting presents), and they just don't want to give that up. There is no command or even suggestion that we should celebrate Jesus’ birthday every year in the Bible. If the Apostles and other early believers were doing it, do you not think they would have mentioned it once in the Bible, seeing as how important it would be?… Nothing, not even one hint they were celebrating “Christmas”. Using non-biblical sources is not good enough for me, there was corruption in the Church even when the NT was being written, only the Bible can be trusted to be accurate. The first mention of it is 354 AD?.. Which points to it being a man-made invention. Men decided they were going to invent “Christmas”, they decided the date; I have no idea who these people were, or even if they were true believers. If they were believers I still think they were very misguided to do it. God never said the date Jesus was born; again, if He wanted us to celebrate Jesus’ birthday He would have given us the date; He managed just fine to tell the Jews when to celebrate His feasts - but when it comes to Jesus birthday He just “forgot” to tell us, or He wanted to make it all mysterious, like a treasure hunt?.. I think not. He was capable of giving the date if He wanted. No birth-dates are given for the Patriarchs either, I think that is to avoid idolatrous ancestor worship of them on such days, and because God doesn’t like birthday celebrations at all, because they exalt and celebrate self. There are 2 or 3 mentions of birthdays in the Bible and people die in each case, (it's not clear if, "His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day", in Job 1:4 refers to his sons birthdays, but Job's sons do end up dead anyway, maybe not on their potential birthdays though)… I took that as hint that God doesn't like birthdays; but I could be wrong. He could have had ONE nice birthday in the bible, but nope, there’s none. I really believe the Holy Sprit lead me, and has evidently lead many others, to steer well clear of “Christmas”. But people are free to do as they please. I know there are true believers who do celebrate it; the only sense I can make of that is, it’s those gooey feelings and the “magic of Christmas” getting them, or maybe just a lack of care what God thinks about it, or they’ve never even asked Him what He thinks about it, but I could be wrong, there could be some better reason. Someone made a comment that if God was against Christmas, why are so many in the world are against it too?... How can they not see that the world hates God and the gospel, but billions of people love “Christmas”?… Why would the world love something that glorified God?.. That’s a red flag right there. It annoys me that people love “baby Jesus”, because they think He is “harmless”, and because he didn't speak at that age; but then they hate Him and everything He stood for when He grew up and started talking, about their sin, and need to repent for it… I’m sick of the arguments about it though, if the Holy Spirit is not leading some Christians out of it, that’s none of my business.
Agree completely. Because we have been entrenched in this man-made day, co-opting pagan celebrations. And if other family members aren't believers they cannot understand your distancing from it or even believers because its tradition. Santa, the tree and songs that have no relation to Christ are starting to make me despise it - not to mention the commercialization (which includes Santa! He's a BIG money maker!) I will always cherish memories with family and some of those old Rankin Bass shows, even though we have all been lied to about Santa, Rudolph, Easter Bunny etc....which in hindsight was wrong to do to children, because at a later time they learn that none of it was real. Instead we should have been told to celebrate Christ and God Our Father and that all gifts come from Him.
People please remember this. This is possibly the one and only time of year that an atheist and non believers hear about Jesus Christ in our true Christmas songs about a savior being born to take away the sins of humanity. Ponder that please 🙏🙏🙏
I heard that Xians were possibly the first ones to use X-mas, because they weren't saying (the English letter) X, they were using the first letter in the Greek word Christos to stand for Christ. A comparison would be us writing it C-mas, but saying it "Christmas" not "See-Mas".
I truly hope Answers in Genesis takes time to read this through. I’m not pointing fingers here, I’ve celebrated Christmas all of my life, but that was because I was following tradition and had no understanding. Given the state of the world, I’ve been on a truth quest, digging deeper than ever before to understand just how corrupted our world has become. And it starts waaaay back. Consider these scriptures: Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. - Jeremiah 10:3 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. - 2:8 With all thy getting get understanding - Proverbs 3:5 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. Hosea 4:6 Why do you think Jesus refers to us as sheep? Well, one of the reasons is we’re dumb, we won’t stop too long to give much thought to anything. Jesus says that my sheep hear my voice and the stranger’s they will not follow. The problem is that the voice of the enemy is not a stranger to us any longer. We’ve listened and been drawn away by it for far too long. It is Tamuz, the child of Nimrod and Simiramis who’s birth is dated on December 25th. Nimrod, the grandson of Ham, son of Cannan whom Noah cursed. Nimrod who is responsible for the beginning of the original false religion in ancient Assyria, who is responsible for the building of the tower of Babel, and who would later acquire god status in form ame of Marduk of Babylon and Baal of Cannan, and Saturn of Roman antiquities. So yes Saturnalia was then “Christianized” by the Roman catholic church which began during the reign of Constantine who adopted the religion no doubt due to political gain, ease and acceptance. Rather than adhere to scripture and to come out from among the world, be set apart, the church compromised and allowed pagan tradition to commingle with Christian faith. This compromise spreads much further than Christmas. In 1620 Christmas was not a holiday in America because the pilgrims who came here to begin with did not celebrate it due to their rigorous adhearance to God’s word.. They were puritan in their beliefs. It was illegal in Boston in fact. 1659-1681. Understand that the further we are removed from the origins of the holiday the more indoctrinated we have become, the looser we have become with God’s Word, leading us to “progressive christianity” which has a wide spectrum of what is acceptable for the body of Christ. We have come to celebrate things that began as false religions and occult practices and we have no idea what we’re doing and what we’re bringing into our lives. I believe it’s time to reevaluate our traditions and my advice would be to know where the symbols and decorations get their origins, it may make you think twice about hanging a reef, putting a reef on the door or candle in the window.
Thank you for sharing. Very well said. Today, we have no reason to not know the truth about such matters, with all resources available. People find it hard to stop family traditions. Most, just do things without any thought. Certainly they will think about it in January when they are trying to play catch up with their monthly bills. Not only is Christmas resting on a pagan festival with satanic rituals, it brings a lot of hurt to people. Frantic parents trying to buy presents for kids bringing debt into the family. Memories of past Christmas’ usually someone had bad words/feelings hurt. Or plain loneliness….
Regarding Jeremiah 10.... Isn't that verse talking about using tree for wood for carving/sculpting material? To shape into an "idol" a "god"? They carve it into a shape? (which reminds me more of those chainsaw carvings people make of bears and such), then 'paint' it with gold and silver? I don't think they are talking about bringing in an intact tree to decorate as we do the Christmas tree. (And I like the concept of creating that image of being outside in the wilderness, as the shepherds were -albeit not with pine trees 🌲, and placing the Star 🌟 at the top 🎄, representing the Star of Bethlehem guiding them to the place and time of Jesus's birth.) 🙏
They covered that. It was carving idols. Watch the video. It was adorning idols with worship. Having a tree with lights and decorations is not an idol. Reject Santa, not Christ. I choose to be that weird Jesus freak in my neighborhood. The coming of salvation to the world is to be celebrated unless you're a devil.
Jer. 10:3 plainly says ppl cut down a literal tree out of a forest, exactly like ppl do today: "For the customs of the peoples are futile; _for one cuts a tree from the forest_ , the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax."
The star at the top, represents the star of Bethlehem. I remember when, at Christmas, they put a star on a hillside, in a community I lived in. The star was supposed to represent the star of Bethlehem, and remind us about Jesus being born into the world.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Maybe you shouldn't bring firewood into your home, just in case. The Bible says that a man cuts down a tree, cooks his dinner on half of it, and creates his god from the other half! Firewood is analogous to cooking-over-woodfire wood. I see no ordinance permitting us to bring un-carved idols into our houses!
Luke 2:7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. 8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. This would have had to be sometime in the summer to late summer months for the shepherds to be out at night with their flocks, and make the trip to see Jesus in the manger that same night. It would have been too cold in the fall for any of that.
Yes... but the Romans had to work in the Dec. 25th celebration somehow! So, we'll just take the old celebration, change a few things, give it a shiny new name, and BAM! God is glorified! Did anyone else ever notice that when Aaron made the golden calf at the base of Mt. Sinai that he proclaimed, "Tomorrow is a feast to YHWH!" Did anyone catch that? They THOUGHT they were creating a way to worship God! Sure, it was an image the Egyptians worshiped--- but "that's not what it meant to US!" For some reason, God wasn't pleased. He wanted to kill the whole nation, and start over with Moses. YHWH makes it very clear, over and over, that we are to forget EVERYTHING the pagan nations did to worship their idols, and do things his way. Only His way! The only way this is unclear is if one hasn't bothered to read the front 2/3 of their Bible. Bless you, Jeff. You are following YHWH!
But it's not Jesus's "birthday party". It really doesn't matter if He was born that day. The celebration is that He was born to us at all. God with us.
Yes, that was the cause of much rejoicing in heaven and on the earth. But he was born to be our Lord and Savior, which was accomplished by his death, burial and resurrection. 1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
@@judyshives2405 That one, too. Especially, because as someone here said, people are more likely to be listening then. That's something we should want to use, not just fastidiously wash our hands, and turn a cold heart to them, as we self-righteously turn our backs on them, to celebrate our own illusion of self-purity.
That's what every mass is. A celebration. You don't even try to use the Bible to justify and simply because you know can't. God's Holy days cover everything we need to celebrate Crist. And, so, if you're Catholic (which most dominations are to an extent) then bow your one. The only light to my feet is the Bible. And it says He doesn't want us looking or acting like the world. He'll rules my life. Hallelujah!
When I was a kid, I knew that Jesus and Santa Claus were two different kinds of things, on two different levels of existence. Even when I was a year and a half, I could tell by the music that the part of Christmas about Jesus and God were not the same as the part about Santa. I had a Golden Book about the Disney cartoon, with Mickey and Pluto, and the chipmunks looking at their reflections in Christmas ornaments, their tree home suddenly indoors, and lit by beautiful Christmas lights. I loved it, but I knew that the things about Jesus were holy, and not on the same level as that kind of merely fun things. I could tell by the difference in the music, the solemnity of the carols, pointing to the spiritual reality of God, and the cartoons and other diversions pointing to lesser desires. At three, I knew that my mama and daddy bought the presents and wrapped them, but I later "believed in" Santa for a few years, because I could tell that they wanted me to. At no time did I ever have Santa Claus and Jesus mixed up. Jesus was Holy, of God's truth, and Santa was imaginary, fantasy things. Anyway, I reserve the right to use my freedom in Christ to share the gospel truths in Christmas carols with people who would perhaps benefit from them, although the opportunity to do so is very small, and disappearing more each year. Still, I won't be bullied out of the conviction that it can be helpful to some people, since I knew from experience that they can be.. And no, I will not knuckle under to the railers against Christmas, because, like me, not one of them is God, or will ever be God. I won't let them run my conscience, although they seem willing enough to run roughshod over it. That's ungodly by itself, and to knuckle under to it, would be to neglect to protect the faith we are given. It would be to settle for mere, Pharisee-style legalism. Christmas is not this package deal, that to practice one part of it is to embrace all of it. It's more like Chicago. There are ungodly things in it, but here and there, a godly person or thing that points to Jesus. It's not Christmas you're asking anyone to believe in; it's Jesus..
@@yupok318 I'm sure Satan is trying to turn poor Nicholas of Myra into a god, but he has long been trying to paganized the churches. So that makes church "mixed" and we should not be part of a church?
There is nothing in the Bible that mandates a celebration of The Lord’s birth. Or, even Easter. Communion is the remembrance of what God had done on The Cross. Holidays are man made constructs that do not represent Biblical Christianity.
Whether you celebrate Christmas or not its your choice but those who do shouldnt be judge. Celebrating Christ is what i focus on. Thank you for this video.
God is judging those who celebrate Christmas, just like He's judging the ppl who violate His other commandments. A person would have to be extremely arrogant to have the gall to say that nobody who sins against the Maker should ever be judged for it. He judged Israelites for their idolatry, and He doesn't change or lower His standards.
Yep they forget Romans 14 or even Colossians 2. Apparently like the eternal believers condemnation of celebrating a holiday which none of us a Christian’s celebrate it for its pagan intent. It’s fun nothing more nothing less. I won’t let another legalistic Christian judge me for something that I don’t think others I use it for. I’ll put the tree up put up the decorations sing the songs and buy gifts for my children. And we always teach why we celebrate it which is christs birth and why he came. All the other stuff is just for fun.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 There is no "commandment", your words, against celebrating Christmas. And keeping Christmas doesn't mean embracing everything that is called Christmas. Calvin used to go through houses, and punish people whom he thought had too many dishes, or the wrong decor. I don't want to obey a false, harsh, loveless, political, _so-called_ "Christianity", like Calvin used to oppress, and sometimes kill, the people of Geneva. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, but a lot to do with a wicked lust for power. It gives Jesus a bad name that He does not deserve.
@the eternal’s believer God struck Uzza dead for touching the ark of the covenant too. He said, don’t touch it, even though it was falling and Uzza reached up to protect it. God said, don’t touch it & He meant it……, and it cost Uzza his life.
Nimrod’s birthday was December 25th, not Christ’s. The evergreen tree was first used by Nimrod’s mother as an everlasting memorial to Nimrod. If it has to do with Christ why are you wearing Santa hats? It’s pagan
First read Deuteronomy ch.12 vs.20-32. Then you must go to Matthew ch 5 vs. 17-19. I believe those with eyes to see and ears to hear will make the connection! Shalom
I've been studying this topic for years. I've noticed something stark.
Those who lay out the case against the adoption of the Roman festivals of Christmas and Easter have presentations an hour long, two hours, sometimes 3 hours long... they lay it out point by point, and document things pretty thoroughly, with references. The conclusion is nearly always, "we need to do what the scriptures say."
Those who support (or save) the Roman traditions in modern culture rely on short, emotionally related points, usually making 10 to 15 minute presentations, and the final conclusion is usually some variation of "to me, it doesn't mean anything pagan, and we are doing it for Jesus, so it's great!"
In my mind, I have a choice. My family's traditions and my feelings, OR the way of life God told us to live, with His feasts and holy days, which have distinct meanings. I can live like my neighbors, or I can live like Jesus did. He DID say to follow Him, and told us to live as He did, after all.
I encourage everyone to do real research on this topic. Ignore your feelings. Follow what the evidence says. If you decide to follow the ways of God, you will not be alone! Don't be afraid! There are millions of us that have made the decision to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.
correctamundo
Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Jesus was conceived six months after John the Baptist, who was conceived after his father finished Temple duties in the order of Abijah.
Whether it was regular duty or one of the high holidays thst requires all priests, Scripture does not say.
Whether one or both of those babies was born a little sooner or a little later than the nine month mark, Scripture doesn't say.
There are probably six or eight months of the year Jesus could have been born.
People who picknone specific day and insist He was not born then, but need to build a case and explain it, don't seem to know any better than anybody else.
The main thing is, we pick a day and agree on it, and on that day celebrate Jesus the Christ entering the world in order to serve as our substitute in punishment.
Like so many other minutae in history, God has obfuscated the detail of which day is truly Christmas.
The lesson to take is that we need to recognize the concept.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan I think the Feast of Tabernacles is the day we were given in Scripture and history to celebrate both our Father and His Son coming down and being among us. Why should we take up or make up some other cultural or religious day other than what we were already given. Most people who reject the feasts take on at least some holidays and people who observe the Feast tend to reject the holidays.
+
This is a great example of how hard it is for Christians to give up the traditions of the heathen even when faced with overwhelming evidence of its pagan roots. This is the same issue the Jews had in the Old Testament. Mixing worship of false gods with worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There is nothing new under the Sun.
Which traditions specifically are pagan?
@@EvanG. the tree, Santa, mistletoe, anything that is not in the Bible
@@sizamaweni computers are not in the Bible. Why are you using one ?
@@pilgrimwings1295 if you are using the computer as an idol to worship God then yes don't use the computer. does santa replace God? does all the pegan practices used at Christmas have anything to do with the his birth on dec 25th? if no then why are are they being used for his birthday. by the way we dont know when his birth is other than evidence that proves its not in the winter.
@@danielh4621 Not everything the pagans did was necessarily idolatrous. We have to remember what the word 'pagan' means.
my opinion, you can sugar coat it any way you want but in the end christmas and easter are pagan rirituals adopted by the early church in an attempt to convert pagans into Christianity. the tree, the yule log, mistletoe, gifts, cute furry little bunnies and eggs, no matter what twist you want to put on them, they all come back to a pagan origin.
Do a quick search in your Bible software for "green tree" and you'll find the tree is symbolic for a reason...
Here's just a few:
Deut 12:2 "Completely destroy all the places where the nations which you are dispossessing served their mighty ones, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree."
1Kings 14:23 "For they also built for themselves high places, and pillars, and Ashěrim on every high hill and under every green tree."
Isa 57:5 "...being inflamed with mighty ones under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys, under the clefts of the rocks?"
Jer 2:20 “For of old I have broken your yoke and torn off your chastisements. And you said, ‘I am not serving You,’ when on every high hill and under every green tree you lay down, a whore."
Jer 3:13 "Only, acknowledge your crookedness, because you have transgressed against יהוה your Elohim, and have scattered your ways to strangers under every green tree, and you have not obeyed My voice,’ declares יהוה."
Eze_6:13 "And you shall know that I am יהוה, when their slain are among their idols all around their slaughter-places, on every high hill, on all the mountaintops, under every green tree, and under every thick oak, wherever they offered sweet incense to all their idols."
The shifting of the dates was not only a foolish attempt to "Christianize" pagan rituals, but was also a form of anti-semitism on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church.
Passover, Tabernacles, Trumpets, Pentecost, etc.. all were meant for Christians and Jews alike.
So celebrating the birth of Christ and also celebrating His Resurrection is pagan? Go figure.
@@dave1370 that's a strawman
@@dave1370 - If you can find a Scripture that tells you to do so, then go for it, but be warned what happened to Jeroboam when he made a "festival" which he "devised in his OWN heart." (see 1Ki 12:33)
I don't need a tree, lights, garlands, ornaments, santa clause magical lies, reindeer, yule logs, candy canes, egg nog, and tons of other material junk to celebrate Christ. The pagans do as much of these things and revere Him not!
I'll take Truth over "traditions "
Jesus told me how to celebrate Him and remember Him in His word. I will take the sacraments as often as I remember Him, and give Thanksgiving, Honor, Glory, and Praise to God daily through the reading and compliance of His word and prayer ❤
Mark 7:7. Jesus said, “In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…. All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.” (This includes the Catholic Church)
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
False Asceticism - regarding Bishops, Deacons, Elders
1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid MARRIAGE and enjoin ABSTINENCE from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
@@ronnihatcher295 All those passages can help one learn what is being taught or preached by others, so a believer will know if they are being misled (having discernment). Roman Catholicism, which calls their priests "Father", they teach doctrines of men, (praying the rosary, to Mary, Saints), Mass, Confessing sins to men instead of to God, kneeling and praying to statues (2nd Commandment) no meat on Fridays - all these traditions are created by MEN and are found NO PLACE in the Word and will not lead you to salvation or eternal life - its not by WORKS its by the grace of God.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born [b]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
If eternal life and salvation was about works, then why would we need a Savior, why did He die? Why is it called a gift if its about works? Then grace means nothing.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; NOT as a result of works, so that NO ONE may BOAST.
I hope you soon start reading the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke and especially John, which teaches about salvation) and the rest of the New Testament.
excellent! this had me laugh ; thanks
AMEN and AMEN!!
@@ConcernedONETOO I believe that the one verse in the Bible that mentions a tree being brought in the house was actually talking about a carved idol figure. Most people don't take their trees for "service". But I also don't participate in most of the various holiday traditions to start with because of Jesus.
Guys... it was a pagan holiday that when the catholic church came to reach pagan England... it was druid, they slapped Jesus on Dec 25th. We should have nothing to do with idolatry but we should honor the holidays of the Lord. He gives way better festivals in His good book. When Christ returns that is what we will be celebrating. Not these pagan Jesus ified holidays
Before the Roman empire reached the British, the Donatist Christians of North Africa were celebrating His birth on December 25, as early as the 200's.
And Augustine gave the fact that the Donatists celebrated Christmas, instead of the official RCC holiday about Mary, in early January, as another reason that he was right to persecute and kill them. If I could be convinced not to celebrate Christmas, I would make December 25, "Donatist Day", for the first Christians put to death by the supposed "church". Jesus said such things would happen: people would persecute and kill us, and think they were serving God when they did, but they would do it, because they had not known the Father, nor Him.
I agree
Nimrods birthday
Exactly!!
Somebody didn't watch the video ...
God has told us how to worship Him. I'm not convinced the traditional Christmas falls acceptably into that category.
Agree, we need to look at scripture to see what God says how we should worship Him not men’s way. He tells us how. I think Moses and the 10 commandments is an excellent story portraying when humans decide how to worship.
Sadly, these guys are speaking of their own opinions- NOT the authority of Scripture. YHWH gave us His appointed times (holidays) to show us His plan of salvation. Yeshua was likely born during the Feast of Tabernacles (and He tabernacled with us). Creating your own holiday, deciding when and how you will choose to worship The Almighty is both arrogant and foolish. Read the Scriptures for yourself and learn the truth. Don’t follow blind guides into a ditch.
Amen, wise words. This is my first year doing away with all pagan holidays, and it’s very reassuring to hear someone who understands. No “redeeming” Christmas, no “Christianizing it.” Just. Don’t. Touch it.
Amen!
@@RivaZA1 You are not real
Paganism in the church is a real problem.
Regardless of what its origins were I find myself less and less inclined to actually celebrate Christmas every year. Like the Holy Spirit is just slowly drifting me away from it. I honestly really don't want anything to do with the world anymore and it's becoming less and less appealing by the day. If you guys want to celebrate it that's on you but for me? Not interested. I'm still going to pray on Christmas day like I pray every single day of the year. 365 days a year.
bite the bullet and forego this charade immediately.
Besides that, you save a lot of money 😄
@@stefann975 Depends on if you celebrate it the way that the world has taken over it, or the way that it was originally celebrated. We celebrate Christmas by focusing on Christ and on giving mostly with purpose - to meet needs, although there is nothing wrong with giving frivolous gifts as well, if you can afford it. I think it's sad that so many people believe that Christmas is about paganism.
@@annep.1905 I m thankful everyday. Not just on thanksgiving day it is a life style.
I am thankful To God that He demonstated His love by sending His Son to save us from the justice of God and having such a great atonement and propitiation for all believers in Christ. Salvation , Santification, Forgiveness , Faithfulness, imputed Righteousness all through Christ alone and Faith alone.
What great eternal gift that never stops giving!
Thank you Lord God that Christ glorified the Father and the Father justified the Son and the Son justifies and adopts us into His glorious kingdom . Amen
That is Christmas!
@@stefann975 There is no evidence in the Bible, true, but there is evidence in early letters written by Christians one to another that Christmas was celebrated as early as 202 A.D., long before any pagan festival was declared on that day. Here is what Hippolytus of Rome wrote about it.
"For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, eight days before the kalends of January [December 25th], the 4th day of the week [Wednesday], while Augustus was in his forty-second year, [2 or 3 BC] but from Adam five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty third year, 8 days before the kalends of April [March 25th], the Day of Preparation, the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar [29 or 30 AD], while Rufus and Roubellion and Gaius Caesar, for the 4th time, and Gaius Cestius Saturninus were consuls."
Now if my understanding of the calendars is correct, what was at that time December 25th now falls on January 6th, which is why the Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas on January 6th, and not December 25th. Furthermore, it actually makes sense that Jesus would have been born during December, or January as the part about Shepherds watching their flocks by night makes sense at that time, for the grass is very lush in December because it is one of the rainiest months of the year in Israel.
Worship of Santa for many.
@@Deb.-. 🤔
They prayed to santa on jimmy kimmel
@@joltsofdeath I don't watch that cesspool of a loosely called talk show.
@@denisethomson7685 But this is what the masses consume. it shows where media is to lead us, reclaim the day, have you not seen the times?
@@joltsofdeath media is toxic to us emotionally physically financially and most importantly spiritually.
To everyone that has commented on this video saying that we should not participate in christmas....
I take my hat off to you ,I was so surprised to see almost all comments condemning this.
The Holy spirit is working through you ,please keep on spreading the truth in boldness and without fear.
MercifulServant on UA-cam explains the whole subject. You're being biaised. Quran mentions the birth of Jesus which is in Summer when there's actually dates in the palm tree. The mosques are full but the Doms are somehow empty. why? Cause people know what's right and what's wrong.
Christmas is pegan, stop manipulating this subject. The actual reward for this is hellfire, remember.
Birthday celebrations are "Bidaa-بدعة" in Islamic teachings. Holydays? Holidays? who made them holy? God? Allah? or the bible ? or you? if it's you then you're polytheistic already, if it is God? Jesus is not a God but a prophet. If it is Allah, bring a statement from the Quran or The Bible to defend that!
A couple of manipulators using a manipulated (proven to be) book to push their false arguments forward.
Do you feel certain that The bible is more authentic than The Quran? everyone is free to believe whatever he wants but let's put more efforts and research The Bible next to The Holy Quran.
@@Yazuofficial no I do not accept the quran nor your 'prophet' the Holy Word of God has been preserved in the KJV bible for us Christians.
You see this is what happens when you steer away from the truth of God(Jehovah) and fall for doctrines of devils. You start thinking that we all serve the same God.
When it comes to all different believes out there only one stands apart and that is not islam my friend but Christianity true Christianity states that salvation is a gift from God and Of grace and not of works, the rest of the worlds believe systems sais by some sort of work done by man.
And this is the most important statement of Christianity the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord God without this their is no need for Christianity and the bilble has no place.
And then the most important claim of the bible is in john14:6 , Jesus is the way the truth and the life NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM.
If you have not christ you have no salvation
I'm pleasantly surprised too. People's eyes are opening.
People are beginning to wake up.
No, the Devil is working through them.
The December 22nd argument is not a good one as the Gregorian Calendar is out by 3 days, because Pope Gregory (where the calendar gets its name from) only corrected it to the time of the Nicene Creed - dated 325AD. So he fell short 300 years of correcting the date which amounts to 3 days. So to say that the Winter Solstice and Saturnalia feast was not during the same time as 'Christmas' is not true. If the calendar was corrected properly the winter solstice would be December 25th!
Fact
MercifulServant on UA-cam explains the whole subject. You're being biaised. Quran mentions the birth of Jesus which is in Summer when there's actually dates in the palm tree. The mosques are full but the Doms are somehow empty. why? Cause people know what's right and what's wrong.
Christmas is pegan, stop manipulating this subject. The actual reward for this is hellfire, remember.
Birthday celebrations are "Bidaa-بدعة" in Islamic teachings. Holydays? Holidays? who made them holy? God? Allah? or the bible ? or you? if it's you then you're polytheistic already, if it is God? Jesus is not a God but a prophet. If it is Allah, bring a statement from the Quran or The Bible to defend that!
A couple of manipulators using a manipulated (proven to be) book to push their false arguments forward.
Do you feel certain that The bible is more authentic than The Quran? everyone is free to believe whatever he wants but let's put more efforts and research The Bible next to The Holy Quran.
@Yazu
Quaran is not Scripture
It is an ancient version of the Book of Mormon, a heresy, and a trick of the Devil to deny Christ's divinity and drag people to Hell.
@@Yazuofficial the unholy Quran is more like it, but what does the Muslim book have anything to do with this topic? They don't even celebrate Christmas or Jesus.
Even IF the date was off by a day or two, who cares? It's still the same thing. Halloween used to span 3 days and was combined into 1.
I was surprised to find at a place that I had gained some confidence in truth, the complete disregard thereof. You demonstrated awareness of the tradition not being biblical and the commands with regard to the tree, and then dismissed them. I chose to separate from the world, but I condemn no one who does not. However, our teachers are held to a higher standard (James 3:1). Remember when you hear the words "come out of her my people" and don't think that they don't apply to you.
☝️THIS.
THANK YOU!!
I'm grateful to see more people calling out the heresy from these two individuals.
Seek Truth and you will find it. Seek what you want to hear and you will find that.
I sure hope these characters who are wearing their silly costume hats honoring some dead dude from Turkey instead of our Father in Heaven and who esteem their own days rather than those laid out in Scripture, read the comment sections!
It’s Christians like you who make Pharisees look like fun people. Pathetic.
@@sliglusamelius8578 I'm sorry that you don't know how to have fun without the elves on shelves, magical flying reindeer, and retelling lies of some fat old man delivering presents to all the "nice" children of the world.
@@lluuiiss3344
I don’t do Santa Claus. We do Jesus’ birthday. It’s fun!
@@sliglusamelius8578 well the people making the video sure do the 🎅 thing ... have you ever considered the Feast Days?
@@lluuiiss3344
No, I haven’t. It sounds interesting.
So. It's okay to celebrate pagan gods as long as you call it Christian??? Remember the Isrealites made. cow and worshipped that and said it was in God's name. He didn't go for it then. He's not going for it now.
THANK YOU!!!!!!. Amen
To what god? It would be one thing to have a "likeness" of moloch or baal in my home... but a tree? a tree of the evergreen sort? My wife wants one; we'll get it and not worship it. We'll worship God and His Son.
God made trees, He didn't make moloch. A phone can be an idol but we all are using something like that.
The pro Christmas or no Christmas thing seems to be a good situation for 1 Corinthians 8
@@emanueljimenez6572 Jeremiah 10 1-25
Amen.
Exactly!
“We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.” Dave Ramsey
Exactly!
Yes, many see Christmas that way. Then celebrate Christmas, not things and money is the answer. GOD became man to save us.
@@cosmic4037 God sent his "only begotten son" as a ransom sacrifice. God all mighty can not be seen by men and live.
@Markus E
God the Father cannot be seen by men.
Jesus obviously was seen by many, many men.
Isaiah's prophecy tells us the Messiah will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, Mighty God.
Jesus never once prohibited men from worshipping Him, even though many clearly did it.
A blameless and holy man of God, Jesus would never allow a human to worship anything but God without rebuking them.
There's plenty of other evidence too, like how in the Old Testament, pretty much every time it tells us the Angel of the Lord appeared to so-and-so, it was Jesus. Look at Gideon and the sacrifice he set on the rocks.
Don't forget in Deuteronomy, when God creates latrines, He tslls the Israelites He walks among them.
If your reading were strictly accurate, then every time He did so, there would be swathes of dead Hebrews, and that certainly would have been recorded.
Jesus is God.
The entire Bible proclaims it.
Anyway, we still do well to celebrate Christmas.
It's the second most important holiday.
The first of course is Easter, and that one is so important we celebrate it every Sunday.
Christmas is a celebration of when God became a man, in order to die for our sins so we could escape Hell.
@@markuse3472 Jesus is truly man and truly GOD., if you deny his divinitu then you are of the antichrist.
What is happening at Christmas is “mixing.” Many well meaning Christians love Jesus and delight to celebrate a day for His birth, even though none will deny He was not born this day. The problem is the heart and the selfishness that usually comes. It turns out not to be about Him and a renewed effort to walk as He did, denying self. Instead it is all about them, their decorations, their celebrations. This is idolatry.
Even if we don’t shape our trees into idols and worship as in Jeremiah 10, are we not in some way worshipping these things? With our time talents money and adoration? Think about it.
I would totally disagree.
I just left a church in Jan 2022 because they were corrupt. I found a new one in 2 weeks, one that preaches the Word of God HOT. I'm not throwing away a day of celebrating the coming of salvation to the world because "some people" have become luke warm in their dedication to God. I will be that bright and shining light that points to Jesus (not Santa). I won't let other Christians (displaying their egos and Google intellects) ruin that day that was prophesied from Gen to Malachi.
We were commanded to love each other by Christ. Feed, clothe, visit the least of these. It's a big deal to Jesus. I'm following Him. The commercial world cannot dilute that, taint it, darken it. Christians need to start following Jesus and quit fighting over a calendar date no one can validate.
Also, to compare the christmas tree and give it attribute of Christ, is simply not right. God does not share Hfdis glory with anyone. Nor do we need images of a tree to explain to kids how Jesus is the light!
@@jaysarie - The Bible says Jesus was hung on a tree. I don't worship a tree any more than I do a flower pot. You are allowed to teach your children anything you want. But to accuse other believers of sin because they have an electric tree is wrong. It's like saying a fancy refrigerator is a sin. It's immature. Electricity is not wrong. Lights on a tree is not evil. Idols are evil.
Do you believe only vegetarians go to heaven or just meat eaters? It doesn't have to be either. I don't have to choose only one. I'm not limited to that God. Whether we eat.... we eat to God. Or whether we don't eat.... we don't eat to God. Let us be mature and love our fellow believers. There is no sin in celebrating the coming of salvation into the world. I reject Santa and the Easter Bunny but the Devil cannot take away Christ or Christmas. He doesn't have that power.
Lord Jesus was not born on Christmas look at your scripture
@@redfaux74 I love my brothers and sister that do celebrate christmas. I don t love what they do. This topic is so controversial to many Christians that we truly need to pray for one another. Have peace.
We are "in the world, not OF it".
Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was Nimrod's birthday.
The early church assumed December 25 because they reasoned that God would have arranged to have Him conceived on the same day He would later be resurrected. December 25 was nine months after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Need to be a church filled of spirit and truth.
technically it wasn't that's from a book in the 1800s but regardless i think Mashiach was born in the spring or fall. but the problem with Christmas is the way people celebrate it with Santa and all that. but people are more likely to hear the gospel at this time of year which can be a blessing.
Do you have primary sources to show that Nimrod was born on December 25th. Please don't quote Alexander Hislop "The Two Babylons " book. It has been debunked
@@yeshuaislord3058 But you don't have to celebrate Santa Claus, to use the season and the Christmas carols to tell people that Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Sure, there are elements of sinful covetousness, and things like drunkenness and fornication are glorified by some people. I remember the liquor ads at Christmas, and how they were called "a little Christmas spirit", which was always really ugly. But would you be so "pure" that you'd be against putting a tract on a windowsill of that liquor store, while you're passing by? Or where other unsaved people might hear a message about the gospel? They might learn that Jesus was born a baby, into this world, to save us from our sin? You'd rather condemn the Christmas carols as "unclean", by a very tenuous association?
Seven...seven Feasts are what we are allowed and NONE of them have ANYTHING to do with ANY of our human holidays. If it's not ok in the Bible, then it's not allowed. Period. Every single one of our so called "Christian" holidays are pagan in origin. OUR human sensibilities don't change that FACT!
Amen.
It’s interesting how mainstream Christianity calls themselves Christian’s but don’t acknowledge a single holy day that God appointed for us.
What about teaching your kids a lie about a mythical being called Santa clause? Flat out lieing to them? That's what thus scripture says? Don't think so. Read the context.
It’s not a pagan celebration as the video just taught you. Just celebrate Christ’s birth. As if God would be mad about that. Come on.
@Sliglus Amelius you don't read the Bible do you? If you did you would understand.
It seems that not just Christmas but every major holiday in the United States is becoming paganized more and more every year.
There is a real agenda to drive the world into the one world religion. Paganizing our God through evil theology, is part of it. They get rid of the character of God, making him more like a pagan God. It is very likely part of the same agenda. And the self-righteousness of all this accusation, they don't see as the problem that it is.
Reject Santa, not Christ.
We must be lights for Him. Shine bright in the darkness. Don't allow evil to dim you.
Is because was pagan all along. Time for pagan to claim their own days.
That and paganism is creeping into the churches themselves. If Christmas really is a pagan holiday that's the least of our concerns when churches invite yoga classes into their buildings and new age teachings into the pulpits. Some of you guys are going crazy about Christmas but there are some way bigger problems right now plaguing the church.
But look between the lines.. it was presented as pagan, but it seems like these woke leftists are telling us now, is that we're "selfish" for spending large amounts of money on these holidays and things of this nature. I'm getting a feeling that they would rather us not have any joy or celebration in our world and I can't for the life of me, figure out WHY..why is it selfish and morally wrong (in THEIR opinion)..Jesus first miracle was at a big, noisy celebration at a wedding. People joyously celebrating a marriage. Lots of money was probably spent.
He was enjoying and celebrating..
Then he got the host and the host's servants out of a jam when the wine ran out.
The Bible never says or even implies that celebrations are wrong..
The woke needs to go away.
It’s discussions like this that keep divisions among believers. There are more important things to be concerned about. Souls are at stake. Our children are under attack. Pastors are abandoning biblical integrity and truth to appeal to popular opinion and itchy ears. We are at war.
We are definitely at war. We need our full armour on EVERY DAY.
@@RivaZA1 When "The Great Tribulation" starts (just look around the world or maybe even locally), and it's coming sooner that later, you will without fail regret your decision. Those days will be severely testing for everyone, except True worshipers of Jehovah.
God himself and his name and the making known of his name and his kingdom good news ARE The most important.
@MzParka
Amen!
The truth and salvation are in the Gospel.
When a man acknowledges his sin and understands the penalty is eternity in Hell, then recognizes Jesus is God, and repents and asks Jesus to forgive his sins, he is born of the spirit, baptized in the Holy Spirit and made a new creation in Christ.
This man is now a member of the church.
The church is the body of Christ.
There are seven flames on seven golden lampstands in Heaven, the seven spirits of the church.
Looking at the types of denominations, I would say there is one with a long memory, one with deep reverence, one with the ability to abandon itself completely to the joy of worship, and so on.
The several denominations of the church are inflenced by these seven spirits, and they perform different functions in service to Jesus.
If Catholics are the long memory, the Baptists are the reverent imagination, the Pentecostals are the receptive heart, and so on, who are any of us to reject ine part of the body?
Of course this explanatiin doesn't comport directly, but spiritually. Nobody is completely reverent without memory, completely given to praise without reverence, and so on. Spiritual matters do not like to be divided into discrete categories.
The point is, the church is the church, regardless of denomination.
We have no business as the eye or the hand, rejecting the foot or the ear.
These petty, antidenominational battles are demonic and satanic. The devil knows a house divided against itself cannot stand. He is uing that fact to weaken the church and to stir hate up among people who are all loved by God.
If a man accepts the true Gospel, then he is a Christian.
If a Christian, then he is one with the rest.
What God has put together, let no man put apart, and that meand His bride as much as your own.
Believers are already divided- wheat and tares. Judgement begins at the house of God. Not everyone who says Lord, Lord. Many are called but few are chosen. The great falling away will soon come and men like these are not grounded in Christ. They are so called christians seeking to marry the world with Christ
Idk I get the feeling of a lukewarm Christian in this video. Making excuses to participate in worldly traditions instead of realizing it has nothing to do with the messiah.
Yes, trying to force the Messiah to conform with cozy pagan practices. 😮
Forget needing to look back on the origin of Christmas, look at it right now. It is just gross... most people are putting up Santa and other figures, decorating some stupid tree and placing gifts under it, gorging themselves on food, overspending on "gifts" (usually just garbage the other person doesn't even need and many times doesn't even want). Honestly. It's barely any better than Halloween in its glorification of Christ. The whole holiday season feels like a bad Hallmark episode.
Don't put up Santa
@@Deb.-. true no one is forcing anyone. But why do believers celebrate a holiday that isn't even biblical. And do as the pagans do?
Honor God hate Santa
Christmas is a great time to spread the Gospel.
Pointing out the Christian meanings of the symbols can be edifying.
Santa is, of course, a representation of a Turk named Nikolas, whose life's work was to enrich the lives of those around him.
He would do things like secretly provide dowries for poor virgins who had found men to marry them, but whose fathers couldn't afford to make the deal.
The star of course, is the King Star, which shone over the resting place of the Holy Family, and led the Magi to the Savior.
Gifts represent our imitatikn of God giving the greatest gift mankind had ever received, unearned and entirely out of love.
The tree can have plenty of meaning, too.
I don't remember all of them, but the lights were originally candles, and people would top it with an angel or a star.
Some people put up Nativity sets, and so allow people to have a 3D image to help explain the Gospel to children and to spiritual children.
I don't like the decorations at all, but my wife loves them.
These things are only pagan if you deny God His glory in them.
Remember, God is everywhere, in and through everything, and all creation declares His might.
I'm one of the ones defending the selective use of Christmas, and I hate everything you have described. But, because I defend Christmas carols, I am condemned with the ugly, worldly, godless parts of Christmas. Why is that?
I think it is pagan
Can you provide evidence using primary sources?
@@joshuamelton9148 i will after my work. Thanks
Agreed. I stopped celebrating it for this reason.
@@joshuamelton9148 prayer is a good primary source. Pray and ask the Lord what he thinks of the holiday. He’ll show you what you need to know. And most of the time the guidance will be in His word.
@@BelovedofYah Yes, however believers need to operate in truth. If you make a claim that Christmas is of pagan origin and you did absolutely no research in proving your claim, then you are not operating in truth.
Your arguments are not very solid. First of all, the current calendar is not the same as the Julian calendar that was used in the Roman Empire. The winter solstice fell on around Dec. 25 in the Roman calendar. Also, bringing an object of pagan worship into your home and making it a Christian symbol "in your heart" does not justify it. Practicing things that pagans do but somehow associating it with something Christian or biblical does not sanctify a pagan practice. Many of the things people do at Christmas have their roots in pagan practices, especially Saturnalia. These traditions have no obvious connection to Christ or the celebration of His birth. Things like Christmas trees, and holly and mistletoe and drinking alcohol and Santa Claus and gift giving are among such things. Santa Claus is an obvious false god, which Christians really have no business embracing, but probably most Christians tell their kids about Santa Claus. He is a magical being with supernatural powers. This makes him a false god.
I think it is wonderful for Christians to celebrate the birth of Christ, but holly and trees and Santa Claus, etc., have nothing to do with the birth of Christ.
I got bored of the tirade and skipped to the end.
The lighted Christmas tree represents the beauty of the night sky, whose stars are set for us, for signs and seasons.
That's why they get a star on top, representing the King Star the Magi followed.
Nikolas was a Turk who dedicated his life to helping people. How accurate his protrayal is in the Christmas poem "The Night Before Christmas" is debatable, but irrelevant. It was a piece of entertainment for children before cartoons or radio, something to put them to sleep so their parents could do late night grownup stuff.
@@user-qm8nu5kg1i I guess people just get too attached to their traditions. Sometimes I think some Christians would find it easier to forsake their faith than to stop celebrating Christmas with all the non-Christian idolatry.
Just because people say it's NOT PAGAN, does not make it not pagan. When the Hebrews made the golden calf, they had a feast to God, even calling the calf "the God who brought them out of Egypt." God has already told us HOW to worship Him, Jesus and His disciples OBEYED God, and we should follow.
100%
It is not wrong to make statues, as long as you don't worship them. Remember, there are 2 cherubim statues on the ark of covenant placed inside the Temple.
The origins of every man made holiday are pagan. Come on Christian’s. We should be celebrating the biblical holidays. Of those holidays are holidays to celebrate what Jesus did on the cross. Give me a break. Making excuses for celebrating pagan holidays is getting old.
Yess I agree. We stopped celebrating 3 yrs ago. I prayed and seeked the Lord's will and I felt like what he laid on My heart ❤ we should be celebrating the feasts and festivals that are in the Bible!!
@@tipsnip7368 praise the Lord!
@Hope Found I hear you! My husband and I are struggling with the same reality. But, I think it wouldn’t hurt to learn more about the feasts and festivals and just put them in place of the man made holidays, but not worship them of course.
@Hope Found Contrary to what Catholics and Protestants think, Christianity is not a Gentile religion. The covenants and promises were given to _Israelites_ (Rom. 9:4). You should also read Eph. 4:17-18 where Paul clearly says Gentiles are alienated from God due to rejecting His laws.
See Jim Staley's Truth or Tradition on UA-cam for better teaching. My eyes have been opened to culture. God called Abraham out of Babylon. He is calling his real church out now. I pray people will wake from thier sleep and Dry bones awake to God's ways.
Reject Santa, not Christ. There is nothing wrong with celebrating the coming of salvation into the world. Christ fulfilled the Old Testament. From Gen to Malachi. Our service to Him should brightly point to that. Our love should prove it.
@Kelly - I'm not celebrating anything except Jesus Christ coming into the world to give us salvation. I celebrate every book of the Bible. Not just Deut. I deeply love Deut. But the prophecy began in Gen 3 and continued thru Malachi. Every book in the Old Testament SCREAMS the Christ is coming to save mankind from sin and death.
I'm not hostile, not hateful. But tell me what part of feeding the hungry, clothing the cold and visiting the lonely during the month of Dec is worshiping the Devil or any pagan belief? Jesus commanded us to do so. I take that seriously ALL year, not just in Dec. Just because a few Christians see similarities between some cults and some true Christian doctrines doesn't make Christmas bad.
Many cults have stories of the dead rising. Does that negate Easter? No. The Devil has thousands of counterfeits. But thank God there is an authentic Christ, the way, the truth and the life. The Devil cannot steal that. He cannot take away my victory in serving the Savior. The Devil is powerless. We cannot let him cause division among us without consequences. I certainly reject Santa and the Easter Bunny but the Devil cannot take away the coming of Jesus into the world in the form of the Messiah. I won't let him do it with me.
Amen
I am in tears... The presence of God fills my heart ❤ Thank you! Glory to God in the highest! Merry Christmas 🎄♥️
Shalom Just to let you know christman was illegal in America for the first 200 years from its foundation. And where in the bible does it to keep this day holy. What is so wrong with Hanukkah? Yeshua celebrated it. This year it is from the 18th of December to the 26th.
If the Bible is our only source of truth, then there's no justification for the celebration of Christmas. I think y'all are forgetting that Christ exists eternally, Him being born is just Him taking up human form, and the whole point of Him coming to earth is to save us by dying on that cross for our sins, defeat death and come back to life which is where our focus should be at everyday.
You're right. The angels didn't celebrate or proclaim his birth and tell the shepherds to go worship him, so why should we? Oh wait, they did. Why shouldn't we? Yes, His death, burial and resurrection is the main focus, but that would not have happened had he not been born!
Show me the scriptures where the disciples celebrated Christmas years after his birth. Oh wait, you can’t. Yes, people did celebrate at the time of his birth because of the prophetic word of God was being fulfilled. Christmas is just tradition of men, and if you read scriptures you know what God says about that.
Matthew 2:11 shows the Nativity scene is biblically inaccurate,for me Christ's resurrection is paramount.
It is a sad time for a lot of people too. A lot of people are on their own, & they don't know the Lord, Jesus/yeshua(His Hebrew name) either. God bless those who are lost, lonely, grieving, or unwell. God loves you! Jesus/Yeshua, Loves you!!
‘ Become doers of the Word and not hearers only, DECEIVING YOURSELVES WITH FALSE REASONING! James 1.22
Amen.
Guys, you are making excuses to keep your traditions of man. It is not Biblical. There is a reason why it was outlawed for the first two hundred years of our country. They are pagan, there is a reason why pagans celebrate it. And Christmas mean dismiss Christ. Easter is a pagan holiday as well.
Exactly, well said.
Agreed, even it it was originally Christian it isn’t now, it has become a commercial holiday that props up Santa
Only God,himself can restore true lasting peace in this world.
This pagan holiday stems from Babylon. Books to read: The two Babylons or the papal worship proved to be the worship of Nimrod and his wife by Alexander Hislop. And Babylon, Religious Mistery by Ralph Woodrow.
Thank you! 💯
Exactly
Yes the catholic church made pagan festivals christenised
@john the vulcano
Catholics are a part of the church, yes.
Christmas is far from pagan though, considering it celebrates the birth of the one true God in human form.
I can understand your confusion, since myriad pagans worship countless things, and one of them is the weather.
Weather worshipping pagans who deify the change in the seasons have no bearing on the actual reason for the seasons, any more than eating a light bulb has anything to do with the reason God created electricity.
Truth
With all respect, knowing the source of Western Christianity (formal religion through 'Catholicism' or 'The Church of Rome'), we KNOW that many things we blindly accept at first are traditions borrowed from a hodge-podge of pagan beliefs, bound together by the melting pot that was Rome. From the time that The Church of Rome was given centralised prominence by the other Early Churches (because of it's physical position, it's nearness of "learned men" and favourable travelling routes), it was soon after co-opted by Ceasar who added Christ, blasphemously, to his alter filled with idols. From here, things changed gradually further and further from the Roots of Faith through Israel to Christ, into an empty, imperfect mirror image of The Gospel. Mary became THE prominent figure, despite being a Servant of Christ and was instead made the idol of the Catholic Church. 'The Feminine Divine" is central to almost ALL pagan idols/fallen angels and worship of a woman above man was (and is again becoming!) the heart of every pagan society (Please see the MANY names of ashera throughout the ages!). Red robes are also key in pagan worship, as is burning incense and "anointing" others with "holy incense". The Church of Rome distorted, chased down, murdered and oppressed those who safe-guarded The Word of God (please see Waldenses/Abegenses and Jesuitism) and persecuted all followers of 'The Way' until they ruled supreme, changing and withholding the very Word of God until the Reformation. It would not be surprising that they co-opted the date of a worshipped fallen angel to become the Birthday of Christ so that they might better force the people under their authority (which they ruled over thousands of miles) to accept the new 'god' of Rome. That all being said, should we still revere the 25th December to Worship Christ? For me personally, everyday is a good day to worship Christ so I have no problem with all the Christians of the world, coming together to Worship Him communally on this day. Do I believe that December 25th is Christ's Birthday - I have no idea! What I do know is that He is Alpha and Omega, beginning and end. Worshipping the day He physically was born through Mary would be idolatrous, as would worshipping the day He was crucified! Worshipping Him on those days is not in the least Idolatrous, neither is incorrectly congregating on a Sunday and calling it 'The Sabbath' - all these things point to Christ! I DO have a problem with the "Father Christmas" cult today, where Christ has been utterly removed in schools and wider society to be replaced by a larger than life bearded, score-keeping octogenarian in a red suit (those pagan robes again!), flying around and "magically" breaking into homes to leave gifts for children who he seems to know omniciently exactly how to provide for?! It sounds a lot like God, only completely without God. This is repulsive to me and is why I was convicted to remove it from all Christmas decor, gifting, etc, etc. Ask The LORD to show you the way, He certainly did for me and gave me His Peace over the situation. God Bless you all today xx
Amen! I totally agree
Amen! Preach it!
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the word Christmas originates from the phrase “Cristes Maesse”, first recorded in 1038, which means the Mass of Christ or Christ's Mass.
There were similar days for myriad celebrated figures.
Michaelmas was a real thing.
Christmas has survived, and its anachronistic name confuses people who don't bother with any type of history.
Of course, "the Catholic Encyclopedia" is going to emphasize the resemblance of "mas" to "mass", and they are probably etymologically related, although distinct in their meaning. They also insist that Jesus established the RCC, and made Peter the first pope, and they ignore that Jesus said Simon was _"petros",_ masculine, little stone or pebble, and on this _petra,_ feminine, big, "mama" rock, "I will build my church". But as someone here pointed out, it is not a "Mass" without a Eucharist.
@@hopefound1457 I checked its just old english and the oldest historical use of the word. So i concede to the Catholics on that one.
It means "More Christ" in Spanish.
Celebrating the coming of Christ is not a sin. Remove Santa, not Jesus. Remove the bunny, not Easter.
@@redfaux74 Thats intresting
0:43 this is a fallacy. Just because something has Lord Jesus Christ name on it, doesn't mean it's actually okay with God. For example Catholics call themselves Christians but they worship Mary and worship statues and other false idols. Look at the prosperity gospel folks, their god is Mammon, money. Also calling themselves Christian but actually aren't.
Lord Jesus Christ is not a tree. That's literally the same thing Catholics do when they kneel before graven images of Lord Jesus Christ or His earthly mother. It's IDOLATRY. Second Commandment guys.
5:45 Lord Jesus Christ is ETERNAL. THE BEGINNING AND THE END. THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. He has no birthday because He is LITERALLY God.
If you were worshipping the tree, it would be idolatry. If it takes the place of God in your heart, that's idolatry. But literally next to no one in the world worships a Christmas tree, although the devil has probably got someone, somewhere, doing it, maybe just to defy God.
And the idolatry of putting something in our hearts where God should be, is everywhere in our lives, and to be repented of on a case by case basis. Our homes can become that kind of idol to us; we don't abandon our homes, but repent from idolizing them. Even our families can become an idol to us. We don't abandon our families, but repent from idolizing them.
@@lindajohnson4204 This argument is weak, because the mere act of giving the tree a status of sacredness violates God's commandments. That is what inherently makes Christmas wrong. Trees are always placed in an area where it is given a maximum amount of importance, and therefore makes it an idol.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Who gave it the status of sacredness? You guys, for the purpose of false accusation.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Is a 65" TV an idol? Us a painting an.idol? Both could be, but placing the where they can be easily seen does not make them an idol. How about pictures of your family? Are there pictures of your family or friends where they can be easily seen? Does that make them idols? How about a stop light in an intersection? Is it an idol? I see that you always obey it, "idolater". All of those things, a human being could turn into an idol, but their presence in a prominent place does not make them idols. These are hypocritical, false accusations, to make yourselves look more righteous because you condemn us.
And, by the way, a Christmas tree is not a necessary part of using Christmas to tell people about Jesus. But it can be a thing of beauty, in a dark time. The lights help people with seasonal depression, and they are, after all, lights that are at least sometimes dedicated to Jesus, the Light of the world. Darkness does a number on some people, and physically cal lights help. To accuse everyone of idolatry, who wants to see something living and beautiful in their home, or who do well when there are lights, is pretty unloving. You're condemning the innocent, but I'm pretty used to it by now. It does not come from Jesus. It is not inspired by the Holy Spirit. But "feel good about yourself", as the world is always saying.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Does God call everything beautiful, evil? Why, when the beauty is His creation? Is it always Druid tree worship, when we admire the beauty and fragrance of a tree? Could anything natural ever glorify God?
Isaiah 60:13
*The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.*
Jeremiah 10:1-5
Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”
I have no problem with Christmas, however I have a big problem with the pagan decorations such as Christmas Trees, Wreaths, and Missletoe. Everything else is pure if Christ centered.
So you wrote this idiocy without actually watching and being educated by the video.
But remember God himself said he wpuld decorate His Temple and even say that He's like a tree w FRUITS! Christmas Tree ; Hosea 14:8 (WEBM) "...I am like a green fir tree; from me your fruit is found." _ Isaiah 60:13 (WEBM) “The glory of Lebanon shall come to you, the fir tree, the pine, and the box tree together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious."
You did not watched the video
@Hope Found Nope its obviously a christmas tree you liar
Yes but the very date of Christmas has pagan origins. Jesus was born in September.
Why not celebrate the same Holidays Jesus celebrated instead? After all, He did say if you believe in Him you will do exactly what He does....
Well said; and the one day that Jesus celebrated and kept, even stating He is Lord of it, is God's holy seventh day sabbath (Genesis 2, Exodus 20, Isaiah 58, Matthew 12).
@@Project144K Needless to say I'm a fan of th3e consistency of God's Word since the immutability of God is what allows us to find solace and everlasting comfort in Him.
The bottom line is that there isn't a single Biblical verse that substantiates the celebration of "Christmas." End of debate.
I'm one of the ones so torn on this issue. I've researched plenty of pagan practice related to Christmas. In my personal opinion, "celebrating the birth of Jesus" just isn't enough reason for me to celebrate the "holiday" because Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. No one knows when he was born but you can get a good idea when reading scripture that it was most likely between September and October because the shepherds were out in the pastures attending their flocks and they would have no reason to be out there during the late part of the year or after the harvest season. I appreciate Answers in Genesis for their argument but I still believe it's unbiblical and if you're celebrating a birth on December 25th then you're celebrating the wrong Jesus.
I think most Christians know December 25 is a traditional date, not a historical one, but we choose to celebrate one of the most amazing events in history on that date so that we can all celebrate it together. Isn't the fact millions of Christians are gathering to reflect on the birth of our savior on that particular day a really good reason to celebrate Christmas?
@@BrianJohnson-lx3zd absolutely not. The blind follow the blind and they all fall in ditches. God gave use Holy days to celebrate. Christians may not be the "house of Israel" but if we were "grafted in" through Jesus then, in my opinion, we need to still establish and uphold the laws, and celebrate God's Feast days and Holy days. I'd rather christians fellowship with our Messiah's people, the Jews, and celebrate with them since we were made part of those people through the work of Jesus our Lord.
@@XxOHKOxX You don't sound particularly torn, lol.
Nevertheless, as long as in celebrating the Holy Days and observing the Law you don't fall into the trap of the Galatians "observing days, and months, and seasons, and years," and "submitting to the yoke of the Law" then our differences come down to Colossians 2:16-23 and Romans 14
"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God."
Amen and well said. May God and Christ continue to bless you mightily. According to Scripture, there is only one "holy day" that God has required mankind to honor and keep in reverence and love to Him; and that is the seventh day sabbath (Genesis 2, Exodus 20, John 14).
Some think He may have been born on the Feast of Trumpets or the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
In any case, keep God's Holy days.
They are commanded and have meaning, that's what Paul meant when he said they are a shadow of things to come.
Yahshua was crucified on Passover, that was no accident, and even Paul said to keep that feast.
The Apostles received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, that was no accident.
The next feast after Pentecost is the Feast of Trumpets and Yahshua will return with the blowing of seven trumpets, that's no accident.
There are disagreements about the meanings of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles, but they have meaning and that's why we keep them.
For the poor, Christmas is a living nightmare. You get left out. If you do have somewhere to go, you are always empty-handed. It's embarrassing. Those who do manage to have something to give at that time, end up going without for months.
There is so much shame put on the less/unfortunate at this time of year.
Which is why we ought to turn from the emphasis on affluence and sinful greed, but still keep the testimony of Jesus, the part the world is trying to get rid of.
This is why we feed them in abundance, clothe them, invite them in, love them. We point them to Christ on this great day, the coming of salvation, the greatest day ever.
Jesus said "You didn't feed me, clothe me, visit me. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." And they said "When did we see you hungry, naked and lonely?" And Jesus replied "When you did it not to the least of these you did it not unto me."
We are called to be lights in this world. Reject Santa, not Christ. Be bright and burning lights on this day for Christ. Every day of the year but especially The Day of the Coming of Salvation to the World. Point to Jesus. Love people BIG. It has nothing to do with Dec. It has to do with YOUR last day in judgment. Follow Christ.
I guess the question is: what do you do to help? Do you lift a finger to provide relief to the poor? To spread goodwill and cheer? Or do you simply fold your arms and declare the world an ugly place? Newsflash: the poor remain just as miserable when you do that. Maybe you should focus instead on the original intention of gift-giving: that of charity, goodwill and cheer.
P.S. And God help you if you simply use it as an excuse not to do anything.
I saw the fruits of the Christmas holiday spirit ….greed , envy , lust , gluttony . There is only one spirit I want the fruits of and that’s the Holy Spirit and I found them in Gods Holy days ( Passover , unleavened bread, first fruits , Pentecost, trumpets atonement and tabernacles ) the story starts with a sacrifice and ends with eternity . Praise Yah! His word gives us life , mans traditions won’t last forever but his word will . By grace we are saved but by obedience he will know us , the wheat from the tares for his people bow down to his commands . If we call ourselves his we ought to walk as he walked . There is nothing new under the sun , we learn what was and what is so we can prepare for what is to come and we all must come out of Egypt. Christmas never prepared me for anything , it just left me physically, mentally , spiritually and financially drained. That’s not what God wants for us , it’s clear from the fruits which way is Yah’s way .
@@Detroitstarlight- You're not required to honor it. But don't condemn others because of your lack of judgment in previous years. There is so much joy we can bring others in Christ's coming. Whatever you do, do it wholly unto the Lord. Let Jesus be seen in you no matter what you're doing.
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. Sabbaths are weekly and Monthly and Feasts. Given to us for very specific reasons. The rest are man made. As for me and my house....
Truth in love💕
You practice the ceremonial feasts of the pre crucifixion jews, who were led out of captivity under Moses?
No shepherds in the fields on Dec 25th
Actually, temperatures in Bethlehem on Dec. 25th are quite mild and shepherds would very likely be in the field.
@Pamela K
Bethlehem is in the Middle East, not the Midwest.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan duh
But there were wise men in Bethlehem
@@lovelightshine2329 shepherds in the field at night when the ewes are giving birth,in the springtime
Therefore let no one judge you with regard to what you eat or drink.... THE SUBSTANCE IS CHRIST.
We are not required to keep the Old Testament feasts and Holy Days. We are free in Christ. Another verse says "One man observes days, another considers every day alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind."
Finally: Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God." The point of keeping Christmas, for me, is threefold. It is to help teach the next generation. It is to show outwardly the joy that we have because of Christ coming to earth, and it is a time for giving, and reflecting on giving.
Jeremiah 10:2-4
[2]THUS SAITH THE LORD, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be NOT dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
[3]FOR THE CUSTOMS OF THE PEOPLE ARE VAIN: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
[4]They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Yes I would have been nice if they quoted the entirety of the verse set. The ones who are led by a spirt of deception are the ones who always butcher, manipulate, or only use pieces of verse of scripture. They also make the assumption that that they will be viewed as the authority so not checked by the masses. Is despicable.
Do you mean politics? How to program computers? How to cook "pagan" food (which is basically all of it)? How to bandage a wound, or do surgery? How to be an airline pilot? I don't believe God was saying don't learn their ways in anything, but don't learn their ways of worship or religion.
None of this is about a Christmas tree! It is about making an actual idol..
Jeremiah chapter 10 does it for me.
Amen. May God and Christ continue to bless you mightily.
@soldier7332 You should read Jeremiah chapter 10 and let it speak to your heart without commentary. It is definitely not about a wooden statue, it is about a tree taken from the forest and decorated. The chapter NEVER says that they bowed down to it, worshipped it, or did anything in modern times we would consider to be an idolatrous practice. Yet, it still clearly states DO NOT learn the way of the gentiles or heathen and states that the custom is FUTILE. We have God's word speaking clearly then we have a commentator who loves modern day Christmas and cannot bear to let it go.....me and my house will serve the Lord choose who you will.
You can't take back what never belonged to God. Jesus was not born Dec 25
Everyday belongs to God
I chose not to celebrate christmas. What others may do is between them and God.
No - you must TEACH others not to follow Christmas also - this is your duty as a Christian. Jesus said, "Feed My Sheep." Do not have an "I don't care" attitude - because you must care - and do not be lukewarm - Jesus hates lukewarm Christians. Get in there are start preaching and teaching.
In theory that is very true. Each person will be judged By God. I really don't celebrate it either, and don't believe it to be Jesus' b-day either! I don't judge the people who do because He said that is not my job!! But I also would not argue with the ones who choose that. I would give them my opinion if they asked. And most of the adults are aware of it's origins etc. We need to preach the Gospel and no where in the Bible does it say to teach others to not follow Christmas. I don't believe Christmas is even mentioned in the Bible.
Why would Satan want to usurp the birth, death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior with fables and myths (Hum can't think of a single reason)
Today most people will not endure sound doctrine, having become "masters' of mythology and ignorant of scripture.
If they spent as much time studying the original as they do the fakes they would grasp more quickly who it is that is deceived...
CHRISTmas.
Jesus Christ. 🙌
Merry Christmas Everyone. 🎀
Yule.
The Almighty Himself led me out.
In the begging of my exodus it began as a "nudging and deep sorrow beyond description," I percieved it as breaking/aching of His heart".
[Even despite my genuine efforts to make this practice/celebration to be about Him]
Though I pulled out respectfully, xtended family was ignited with me..... that was a bit telling I thought.
I cannot play along,even with the purest intentions, to the easter, xmas, flag worship, president worship, pledges of any sort, etc.
Not condemn anyone else but I am unable and cannot do any longer.
I cannot unknow what I know.
I cannot ask Almighty God to show me that I no longer be deceived and then still participate.
I have and continue to ask Almighty to please give me eyes to see, ears to heart, and to be my discernment as I do not want to be deceived any longer, on any front as to what is going on and coming..... He has, continuously.
My heart prayer for us all;
Let all who are Yours and all who will be yours, be not deceived, in any way, on any front any longer,....
Let our hearts, faith, and love not grow cold.
Let us not fear, whom, what, all that we ought not to.
Let us not bend the knee to evil, beast system, sin and darkness.
May every weapon formed against yours, fail and fall back on the evil ones.
May you lead many out of darkness to faith, deliverance,hope and life through Jesus THE Christ.
Be our peace, comfort, assurance, confidence, hope, portion and the love of our lives.
Bless us to be faithful even unto death.
And to You be all glory, power and praise!
I too felt it wrong to stand for the pledge of allegiance
@@dellaswanson9837
Yes, dear one.
That was a hard one.
I considered my self a patriot, a constitutionalist and a respecter of those who do and have given thier lives for us.
BUT,....
It was shown to me as idolatry, so for ME, it would be a sin now to partake.
It is heartbreaking that many Christians wouldn't understand and be offended or angry with me for such.
Think we need to humbly and prayerfully share but allow The Holy Spirit to lead them.
My heart hurts so much for the "falling away of many" which is to come.
Amen. Well said
That is an awesome story, Granny! Praise YHWH!!! 🥰
Glory and honor and blessings and power to Yahuah forever and ever! Amen . I have seen the truth and I can’t go back either .
Christmas is pagan even Sunday is pagan , but people wil not even accept that . They wil find out when they are standing for the great mighty judge.
Amen and well said. May God and Christ continue to bless you mightily. For just as the papacy took that "December 25" pagan fertility ritual and "Christianized" to society, likewise they took that pagan fertility ritual of the "day of the Sun" and "Christianized" and blasphemously stated it was also for Christ.
Is santa trynna replace God?
No the world is.
Satan always has tried to be worshiped before God
Watch "Santa Pause" by Justin Peters. I highly recommend it. You don't have to ve Reformed or Calvinist to appreciate it. Grace and Peace.
Sad to think that two intelligent men with strong Biblical knowledge can sit down and completely ignore the Scriptures.
Not only that but speak a blatant LIE:
Bodie Hodge (039): "Christmas - Christ, mas. It doesn't mean Mass, what it means is Christ's celebration."
Christmas (n.)
"Church festival observed annually in memory of the birth of Christ," late Old English Cristes mæsse, from Christ (and retaining the original vowel sound) + mass (n.2).
mass (n.2)
"eucharistic service," Middle English messe, masse, from Old English mæsse, from Vulgar Latin *messa "eucharistic service," literally "dismissal," from Late Latin missa "dismissal," fem. past participle of mittere "to let go, send" (see mission).
Some suggest that we ought to celebrate our Messiah, so it's okay to just pull a date out of thin air and celebrate...
Look what happened to King Jeroboam when he decided to do the same:
"So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had DEVISED OF HIS OWN HEART; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense." (1Kings 12:33)
Christmas is one thing, commercial Christmas is an entirely different thing.
One leads to the other because that's what blending worship of God with pagan traditions inevitably leads to: seduction into idolatry. This is why the Bible is full of warnings against mixing worship of God with the practices of neighboring cultures: it would eventually change and pervert the true meaning.
But only you decide for you and your home rather to make it about Christ and the greatest gift God gave to us, or about what you give.
Sol Invictus's birthday is 25 th December
Egytian God Ra's birthday is 25 th December
Baal's birthday is 25 th December
Tammuz's birthday is 25 th December
@@bayam9050 Does sound a bit suspicious!!
@@bayam9050 and? That's not what we're celebrating. Pagans did other things on other dates too.
I never heard the name Mithra in this.. wonder why.. these guys seem initiated. When was Yeshuah born? Not in December.
Spot on. Thank you and God blesses you mightily. For Luke 2 notes that there were shepherds keeping watch over the flocks by night. No shepherds would be doing that in December (and not Dec 25) because that's the winter rainy season in Bethlehem.
Hey AIG crew! In your teaser it is mentioned that you would tell when Christmas was first celebrated, but I didn't hear that. When did people start observing Christmas?
Probably really quickly. They mention Saturnalia in the video, but the fact is that EVERYONE had winter solstice celebrations. So here's a time of year when pretty much all religions have some sort of feast, but Christians didn't.
So someone just said "Let's just celebrate Jesus' birthday, then, since we don't actually know when it was anyway, that's a day as good as any other". There are mentions of Christians remembering and celebrating the birth of Jesus from the 2nd century, but they don't say which day, but there is no reason to believe that it was not December 25th. So likely this was a widespread practice by then.
Later this has become embarrassing for Christians for some reason, don't ask me why. The Gregorian calendar was introduced because the Julian calendar goes one day wrong every 100 years. And they decided to fix that. But did they fix that so that midwinter was moved back to December 25th, as it originally was? Nope, they decided that the "correct" date was at the Council of Nicea 325, making the winter solstice the 21st or 22nd. Why? I think it was because having the winter solstice on Christmas would have made it blatantly obvious that Christmas isn't actually Jesus' Birthday, but a solstice celebration.
So that's it. Christians made up Christmas early so they would have something to celebrate too.
That happens often. Intentional? Maybe.
@@RegebroRepairs From my research, Saturnalia was celebrated at the end of summer AND Messiah's day of conception (Chanukah) was always celebrated by Christians on the NOT winter solstice day December 25th.
Just as the rainbow has been hijacked, someone in the 2nd or 3rd century noticed Christianity rising and got the idea to move Saturnalia to December 25th as a method of sabotage.
How long will it be until Christians start canceling GOD'S rainbow just like Christians have cancelled Christmas?
@@jonuvark2385 You have a great imagination.
God said " you shall not do so unto me ".
He didn't say " take it back and use it to the glory of God ".
God gave us days to commemorate/celebrate.
If you glorify God, then do what He said instead of following pagan traditions that God condemns very plainly in the Bible.
You can't " take back " something that was never biblical in the first place.
Unfortunately they didn’t answer the question on where Christmas originated. They gave plenty of explanations on where it didn’t come from. Why do Christians celebrate it on December 25? Was Jesus born in the winter? If it were not pagan, then why did the first settlers in America ban Christmas? Lots of unanswered questions to protect that which you don’t want to give up.
Nothing u have said makes the Biblical connection of Christ to Christmas at all
I've noticed the merchants have now led the way for the greatest majority of people to jump from one pagan celebration to the other-halloween to christmas. Aside from closing and taking the day off - no attention is placed on giving thanks at all. The one day of observance we professing believers celebrated in honor of our God gets completely overlooked for its original purpose. It has become all about gluttony football and shopping. I don't see too many talking to family because they are on their devices. Few even pray before eating and if/ when they do it's a flippant empty ungrateful duty of just saying a mantra with no heartfelt meaning.
@ return to thy first Love
And selfish kids gimme gimme gimme more & more. Worldly pleasures!
Few seek God before condemning, either. They flippantly go by their own biases and inclinations, with little concern for what they remove from the world by so doing. The _Book of Enoch_ and the _Gospel of Zeitgeist_ ...
It's getting that way with Thanksgiving, too. Thanksgiving USED to be recognized as the 2nd most important American religious holiday next to Independence Day. Now neither are recognized as religious.
@@mattk6719 People can use it for thanks-giving, to highlight and uphold giving thanks to God, and it will help other people remember to give thanks to God. That may not spawn a mass movement of Thanks-giving, but it will enrich the spiritual lives of the people who let it.
But it is not like it's only now getting away from thanks-giving. It was proclaimed "Turkey Day" for at least two decades, the 70s and the 80s, a practice reinforced and upheld by the whole media, before it began to be treated like Thanksgiving Day, again. It was called "Turkey Day" in the media, almost exclusively, for many, many years.
In the 60s movie, "Lilies of the Field", the protagonist ends the story by being angry and grieved, that the nuns thanked God, and not the human who built the stairs, himself. That was definitely represented as the correct, humanistic way to approach all gifts, as coming from the hand of man, not God.
We should thank God, and also thank any humans who come to our aid.
Don't be so in love with the things of this world (like Christmas time) you forget your first love. It's not a time to celebrate Christmas it's just another day to spread the gospel with out the guise of man's worldly traditions better known as Christmas. Matthew 24:5 comes to mind. It's not just people but things of people that come in his name. CHRIST-mas. It bears his name but it is not of him.
I'm sure that every day of the year, some pagan group somewhere around the world celebrates something. Every day belongs to God. Christ was born; God kept His promise to mankind! The angels celebrated, and so do I!
Exactly
I was thinking along those same lines... that if a lot of Christmas naysayers knew what was celebrated by pagans on their own birthdays, they wouldn't know how to handle this argument. Aside from the pagan's
evil practices and idolatry, not everything the pagans did was wrong. Just like some unbelievers today, they contributed to advancements through inventions that benefit the people around them.
2,000 years of Christianity, no-one has asked God for the year of his Son's birth, neither has God offered it, I wonder why?
I'm so glad that God will not only judge our actions, but also our hearts as well. We can squander the opportunities that God has given us to display HIS love (not ours) to the world by going too far on EITHER side of this issue.
I believe that both sides of the argument can learn from the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30 & Luke 19:11-37). Who was the rich man/king angry with? The one who did nothing with what was given to him.
To those who don't want to celebrate Christmas 'as the world' does - fine, don't do any of that. But what ARE you doing leading up to that day? I just caution those of you who don't participate that doing so does NOT make you more 'holy' than your brothers and sisters. Let's take our cues from Matthew 25:31-40. Sure we can do parts of that list every day, but Christmas is a time when we can do ALL of them at once. Why are we wasting this time just because people believe that the devil touched it with his 'pagan-making' hands? Name something that the devil HASN'T touched? Do we just give up on marriage because the devil touched it? Do we give up on our schools because the devil touched them? Do we give up on music because the devil touched it? Cut out the bad part and fill it up with what should be there. Cut out the pride and put humility there. Cut out the greed and put charity. Cut out the selfishness and put selflessness.
Let God change our hearts first and fill it with His love, and we'll find that we will eventually come around to celebrating not only Christmas, but all the other holidays a bit differently.
@ Matthew Collins ummm NO. Celebrate Christ daily. Worship Him in Spirit and Truth. It’s just a tradition and we know what Jesus said about traditions. He’s worthy daily of our worship and praise. Most of the time in churches, people only come at Christmas and Easter. So, there you have it. The opportunity to display God‘s love is not just set aside for one day.
@@judyshives2405 Ummm yes. He was exactly right about everything.
@@ronnihatcher295 Christmas carols are not darkness. False accusations are darkness!
Nice try, guys, but I’m not buyin’ your sales attempt. The world LOVES Christmas. ‘Nuf said.
The world loves UA-cam too and here we are
@@mr.cucumber6662 Hmmm. I don’t think that’s really a like comparison.
The "world" hates Christ and doesn't want you to celebrate Him, either.
@@fairwhether1 precisely. Light has no fellowship with darkness. Be faithful to Jesus Christ. The world will do what the world will do.
Funny to see them trying to defend the indefensible XD
My thoughts to...ahmein Ahmein. Unsubscribed
these guy look like and sound like fools
This was sooooo stupid I cannot believe it. Awful use of scripture. Shame on you little elfs!
You guys shouldn’t use toilet paper, it’s not biblical. 😂
@M O
The Scriptures don't give a whole lot of clues for us to figure out when Jesus was born, but you seem pretty confident you've found an answer.
The Hebrew religious calendar was very different from ours.
Twice per year, the father of John the Baptist would be on duty at the Temple.
There were also high holidays, wherein _all_ the priests would have had work to do, whether it was their cycle week or not.
Humans gestate for a range of weeks, depending on how long the baby takes to get ready. A couple weeks one way or another, for two babies, easily adds up to a month morenor a month less.
So, fifteen months, plus or minus a month, from two points in the year, or from the high holidays, leaves something like six or eight months Jesus could have been born.
How can you be so sure none of those months were December?
The fact that they do not know the WHOLE history if how christmas came to be. This is wrong in so many levels. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing. Christmas is a Godless and pagan practice no two ways about it and these two men need to study their word and push the death of Christ and not this faux celebration of his birth. The devil is a liar!!!!!
Because the lsraelites decided to do things their own way, instead of God’s way, they made themselves out to be their own gods. Though they fully and sincerely wanted to follow God, they followed themselves and their own heart instead.
This is what we do for Christmas and Easter, Thanksgiving we take the ways of man and days of false gods and then offer it all to God and except Him to smile while we pleases ourselves in the process it’s hard but it’s the truth. 😢 We can’t take back what was not ours in the beginning.
That's right. We must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, there is nothing truthful about the practice of Christmas. Taking pagan practices and calling it worship of God is dragging His good name through the mud. Would we put up statues of Baal in our living rooms and call that worship of God? No. So why would it be ok to erect a pagan-decorated tree and call that worship? Just have to shake my head.
Thank you. Amen. These men are keeping themselves comfortable in their practices. And they’re so called leaders in the faith. Sad. Sadly we can’t trust any man, only God. All of these men turn out to be wolves in sheeps clothing.
@@look4truth is anyone sacrificing children to their Christmas tree?
Celebrating the birth of Christ is not a sin. If God celebrated it with His Angels and showed us how important it was for man then surely we can listen to God.
Satan wants people not to think Christ's coming is not important. It was prophesied in the entire Old Testament, over and over and over..... Satan has definitely infiltrated the church in the form of hate.
@@Baconator9k Are you suggesting that pagan practices are ok if they don't involve death? You might want to rethink your position and focus on what God says.
After Covid, I don’t view the world the same any longer. When I was an atheist I loved celebrating Christmas and so did the world.
The conception that Christmas had pagan foundations started to be viral in the 17th century with the English Puritans and Scottish Presbyterians, who abhorred all Catholic things.
They detested the feast days, specifically the Christmas feast with its joyous observances, celebrations and customs. Given that the Bible did not provide specific date of Jesus’ birth, the Puritans contended that it was a sinful device of the Roman Catholic Church that should be eliminated.
Subsequently, Protestant preachers like the German Paul Ernst Jablonski attempted to establish unverifiable works that December 25 was actually a pagan Roman feast, and dissuaded that Christmas was yet another example of how the medieval Catholic Church ‘paganized’ and corrupted ‘pure’ early Christianity.
About the same time, the Jesuit Jean Hardouin with his odd theory of widespread counterfeit that positioned in disbelief every historical source known, supported the Puritans. However, his research was largely questioned given his illogical assertions. For example, he claimed that all the Church Councils that transpired before Trent were fabricated and almost all the classical texts of ancient Greece and Rome incorrect, developed by monks in the 13th century. These contentions are obviously ridiculous, given the innumerable source documents reversing his “opinion”.
These two primary personalities claims for Christmas having pagan origins fantasize that the early Church chose December 25 so as to divert Catholics from Roman pagan festival days. The first claim pretends that it replaced the ancient Roman holiday of Saturnalia, a time of feasting and raucous merry-making held in December in honor of the pagan god Saturn.
It’s interesting to note that the Saturnalia festival always ended on December 23 at the latest. It is baloney for the Catholic Church to move away the attention of her faithful from a pagan celebration, and choose a date two days after that party which had already ended and anyone who desired had already made much of it.
Christmas established before the pagan Sun festival
The second assertion is that the Catholic Church allrgrdly instituted Christmas on December 25 to replace a solar feast made up by Emperor Aurelian in 274 AD, the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birth of the Unconquered Sun).
The piece of evidence that Christmas penetrated the world calendar (the instituted Roman calendar) in 354 - which was after the establishment of the pagan feast - does not essentially mean the Church preferred that day to substitute the pagan holiday. There are two major grounds which harmonize with this conclusion:
1.) The detractors must not simply presuppose that the early Christians only started to celebrate Christmas in the 4th century. Until the Edict of Milan (a proclamation that permanently established religious toleration for Christianity within the Roman Empire), Catholics were persecuted and convened in catacombs (where the most important pontiffs of the third century would be buried), Therefore, there was no public festivity. But they celebrated Christmas among themselves prior to that Edict, as hymns and prayers of the first Christians corroborate.
2.) Emperor Aurelian launched the festival of the Birth of the Unconquered Sun in an attempt for a rebirth of a dying Roman Empire. In all probability, the Emperor’s action was a reaction to the growing attractiveness and strength of the Catholic religion, which was celebrating Jesus’ birth on December 25, rather than the other way around.
There is no substantiation that Aurelian’s celebration preceded the feast of Christmas. Aside from which, the establishing of this festival day (which never won popular support and soon died out) was an effort to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Catholics.
Dates derived from the Scriptures
Albeit the Christmas date was not made official until 354, undoubtedly it was established long before Aurelian established his pagan feast day.🤔🤔
Anyone who celebrates Christmas needs to remember our sinful nature and our need for him. Not worry about how many gifts we can give or receive. The best gift we had ever received has been turned into a joke. A money grab. And we should be ashamed of ourselves for buying into it at all. I’m not proud of any of it. Going to the store makes me sick!
Stop celebrating original sin.
Didn't the kings give gift to Jesus? 🤔
I am disgusted at all the years, all the money, the stress of running around trying to please man when all I needed to do was to accept Jesus and care only what HE thought. I have not celebrated Christmas in years and it doesn't bother me any. It does not make Him love me any less or more or me love Him any less.
@@anneshirley95How does the astronomers giving gifts to celebrate the king of glory coming into the world, translate to giving vain gifts to other people? The Magi didn’t even give gifts to the him *on* the day he was born.
@@NANA-fh6we Not everyone gives gifts in vain. You don't know everyone's hearts. If that's what you do, then by all means, don't. Some people love cooking and giving gifts to their family and love to make them happy. Big shocker. 🤷♀️ yeah, it didn't happen on the day he was born, but that why it's called symbolism. If you can't celebrate Christmas by honoring Jesus and giving to family, friends and strangers without thinking you're somehow worshipping pagan idols, then again, don't.
The church has given up so much ground on these things .
Sol Invictus's birthday is 25 th December
Egytian God Ra's birthday is 25 th December
Baal's birthday is 25 th December
Tammuz's birthday is 25 th December
@Bayam you clearly didn't even watch the video. Sol invictus was started many years after it was already documented that Christians were celebrating the birth of Christ.
@@MeltingRubberZ28
Really
It is also a fact that ancient God Ra, Baal, Mithra, Dagon has the same birth day which is 25 Dec..
Do you know how old is this belief??
Is like maybe 3000 years old if I am not wrong?? Maybe more old than that
@@MeltingRubberZ28
Really
It is also a fact that ancient God Ra, Baal, Mithra, Dagon had the same birth day which was 25 Dec..
Do you know how old are these belief??
These are like maybe 3000 years old if I am not wrong?? Maybe more old than that
@@bayam9050 maybe you should tell your one bot your other bot already responded
It seems to be the trend when it comes to the controversial holidays to say “that’s not what it means to me.” I have been looking for an example in the scriptures of God asking someone what something means to them and I have yet to find anything even resembling that i n some way.
I have found in my searching plenty of examples of God punishing harshly his people for not adhering to his laws.
I would then say that I will fear my God above all others and I will obey my God above all others and I will Love my God above all others.
Mt 16:13-17
James 1:27, Isaiah 1:11-15, God detests our feasts, new moons, and celebrations, but he gave us 7 feasts to be observed for all time. Why did we stop observing something he prescribed? Also, if you want to pick a birthday go 9-11. Genesis 1:14 Rev 12:1-9 these constellation and celestial alignments happen only 1 time in history for 81 minutes.
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
How can you be holy which means (set apart) if you are a part of the world keeping their traditions.
Mark 7:8-9 For laying aside the commandments of Elohim, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of Elohim, that ye may keep your own traditions.
You can't serve two masters.
Christmas IS the Feast of Saturnalia. It doesn’t matter of the day is a little off (it’s not way off) and it doesn’t matter if people who CLAIMED to be Christians observed it in the old times. It doesn’t matter if there’s been some tweaks. The bottom line is Christmas plants it’s roots in idol worship. It violates the 1st and 2nd commandments, and so nobody who observes Christmas will enter The Kingdom of God.
We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. I’m so thankful for Jesus who is my Lord and Savior.
@@thartwig26
"What, then, shall we say? Shall we continue in sin, to let favour increase?" (Rom 6:1)
Read the rest...
Amen
Jesus wasn't born in December!
jesus wasn't born
What??? How do you make that out?
He never told anyone to celebrate birthdays either
@@madddog7 The virgin Mary had to give birth in the physical even though Our Lord Jesus was conceived in her womb by the Holy Spirit.
Right you are !
Matthew 2: 11 shows the Nativity scene is incorrect.
King Herod himself didn't know when Jesus was born that is why he had all boys age two and under murdered in attempt to kill the Christ child .
Some of the “logic” behind why I don't celebrate “Christmas” which you are free to take or leave...
I think the biggest reason people celebrate and defend "Christmas" simply comes down to the deeply entrenched warm gooey feelings they got from it as children (primarily from the excitement from getting presents), and they just don't want to give that up.
There is no command or even suggestion that we should celebrate Jesus’ birthday every year in the Bible. If the Apostles and other early believers were doing it, do you not think they would have mentioned it once in the Bible, seeing as how important it would be?… Nothing, not even one hint they were celebrating “Christmas”. Using non-biblical sources is not good enough for me, there was corruption in the Church even when the NT was being written, only the Bible can be trusted to be accurate. The first mention of it is 354 AD?.. Which points to it being a man-made invention.
Men decided they were going to invent “Christmas”, they decided the date; I have no idea who these people were, or even if they were true believers. If they were believers I still think they were very misguided to do it. God never said the date Jesus was born; again, if He wanted us to celebrate Jesus’ birthday He would have given us the date; He managed just fine to tell the Jews when to celebrate His feasts - but when it comes to Jesus birthday He just “forgot” to tell us, or He wanted to make it all mysterious, like a treasure hunt?.. I think not. He was capable of giving the date if He wanted. No birth-dates are given for the Patriarchs either, I think that is to avoid idolatrous ancestor worship of them on such days, and because God doesn’t like birthday celebrations at all, because they exalt and celebrate self. There are 2 or 3 mentions of birthdays in the Bible and people die in each case, (it's not clear if, "His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day", in Job 1:4 refers to his sons birthdays, but Job's sons do end up dead anyway, maybe not on their potential birthdays though)… I took that as hint that God doesn't like birthdays; but I could be wrong. He could have had ONE nice birthday in the bible, but nope, there’s none.
I really believe the Holy Sprit lead me, and has evidently lead many others, to steer well clear of “Christmas”.
But people are free to do as they please. I know there are true believers who do celebrate it; the only sense I can make of that is, it’s those gooey feelings and the “magic of Christmas” getting them, or maybe just a lack of care what God thinks about it, or they’ve never even asked Him what He thinks about it, but I could be wrong, there could be some better reason.
Someone made a comment that if God was against Christmas, why are so many in the world are against it too?... How can they not see that the world hates God and the gospel, but billions of people love “Christmas”?… Why would the world love something that glorified God?.. That’s a red flag right there. It annoys me that people love “baby Jesus”, because they think He is “harmless”, and because he didn't speak at that age; but then they hate Him and everything He stood for when He grew up and started talking, about their sin, and need to repent for it…
I’m sick of the arguments about it though, if the Holy Spirit is not leading some Christians out of it, that’s none of my business.
Agree completely. Because we have been entrenched in this man-made day, co-opting pagan celebrations. And if other family members aren't believers they cannot understand your distancing from it or even believers because its tradition.
Santa, the tree and songs that have no relation to Christ are starting to make me despise it - not to mention the commercialization (which includes Santa! He's a BIG money maker!) I will always cherish memories with family and some of those old Rankin Bass shows, even though we have all been lied to about Santa, Rudolph, Easter Bunny etc....which in hindsight was wrong to do to children, because at a later time they learn that none of it was real. Instead we should have been told to celebrate Christ and God Our Father and that all gifts come from Him.
People please remember this. This is possibly the one and only time of year that an atheist and non believers hear about Jesus Christ in our true Christmas songs about a savior being born to take away the sins of humanity. Ponder that please 🙏🙏🙏
I heard that Xians were possibly the first ones to use X-mas, because they weren't saying (the English letter) X, they were using the first letter in the Greek word Christos to stand for Christ. A comparison would be us writing it C-mas, but saying it "Christmas" not "See-Mas".
I'm no defender of Christmas, but accusations of heresy over a mere abbreviation is misunderstood and overzealous.
I truly hope Answers in Genesis takes time to read this through. I’m not pointing fingers here, I’ve celebrated Christmas all of my life, but that was because I was following tradition and had no understanding. Given the state of the world, I’ve been on a truth quest, digging deeper than ever before to understand just how corrupted our world has become. And it starts waaaay back.
Consider these scriptures:
Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. - Jeremiah 10:3
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. - 2:8
With all thy getting get understanding - Proverbs 3:5
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. Hosea 4:6
Why do you think Jesus refers to us as sheep? Well, one of the reasons is we’re dumb, we won’t stop too long to give much thought to anything. Jesus says that my sheep hear my voice and the stranger’s they will not follow.
The problem is that the voice of the enemy is not a stranger to us any longer. We’ve listened and been drawn away by it for far too long.
It is Tamuz, the child of Nimrod and Simiramis who’s birth is dated on December 25th. Nimrod, the grandson of Ham, son of Cannan whom Noah cursed. Nimrod who is responsible for the beginning of the original false religion in ancient Assyria, who is responsible for the building of the tower of Babel, and who would later acquire god status in form
ame of Marduk of Babylon and Baal of Cannan, and Saturn of Roman antiquities.
So yes Saturnalia was then “Christianized” by the Roman catholic church which began during the reign of Constantine who adopted the religion no doubt due to political gain, ease and acceptance. Rather than adhere to scripture and to come out from among the world, be set apart, the church compromised and allowed pagan tradition to commingle with Christian faith. This compromise spreads much further than Christmas.
In 1620 Christmas was not a holiday in America because the pilgrims who came here to begin with did not celebrate it due to their rigorous adhearance to God’s word.. They were puritan in their beliefs. It was illegal in Boston in fact. 1659-1681. Understand that the further we are removed from the origins of the holiday the more indoctrinated we have become, the looser we have become with God’s Word, leading us to “progressive christianity” which has a wide spectrum of what is acceptable for the body of Christ.
We have come to celebrate things that began as false religions and occult practices and we have no idea what we’re doing and what we’re bringing into our lives. I believe it’s time to reevaluate our traditions and my advice would be to know where the symbols and decorations get their origins, it may make you think twice about hanging a reef, putting a reef on the door or candle in the window.
It's a wreath, not a reef.
Thank you for sharing. Very well said. Today, we have no reason to not know the truth about such matters, with all resources available. People find it hard to stop family traditions. Most, just do things without any thought. Certainly they will think about it in January when they are trying to play catch up with their monthly bills. Not only is Christmas resting on a pagan festival with satanic rituals, it brings a lot of hurt to people. Frantic parents trying to buy presents for kids bringing debt into the family. Memories of past Christmas’ usually someone had bad words/feelings hurt. Or plain loneliness….
@@lauriegermaine6506 thank you for the correction 🙏 we where able to determine what was meant. God Bless you and keep you.
Regarding Jeremiah 10....
Isn't that verse talking about using tree for wood for carving/sculpting material? To shape into an "idol" a "god"? They carve it into a shape? (which reminds me more of those chainsaw carvings people make of bears and such), then 'paint' it with gold and silver?
I don't think they are talking about bringing in an intact tree to decorate as we do the Christmas tree.
(And I like the concept of creating that image of being outside in the wilderness, as the shepherds were -albeit not with pine trees 🌲, and placing the Star 🌟 at the top 🎄, representing the Star of Bethlehem guiding them to the place and time of Jesus's birth.) 🙏
They covered that. It was carving idols. Watch the video. It was adorning idols with worship. Having a tree with lights and decorations is not an idol. Reject Santa, not Christ. I choose to be that weird Jesus freak in my neighborhood. The coming of salvation to the world is to be celebrated unless you're a devil.
Jer. 10:3 plainly says ppl cut down a literal tree out of a forest, exactly like ppl do today: "For the customs of the peoples are futile; _for one cuts a tree from the forest_ , the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax."
The star at the top, represents the star of Bethlehem. I remember when, at Christmas, they put a star on a hillside, in a community I lived in. The star was supposed to represent the star of Bethlehem, and remind us about Jesus being born into the world.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Maybe you shouldn't bring firewood into your home, just in case. The Bible says that a man cuts down a tree, cooks his dinner on half of it, and creates his god from the other half! Firewood is analogous to cooking-over-woodfire wood. I see no ordinance permitting us to bring un-carved idols into our houses!
Or to build our houses out of un-carved idols!
Look at the hats. That tells the whole story.
Spot on.
💯
1:30 Christmas can't be an appropriation of saturnalia! That ends on December 23rd "it's not even close!"
... What do you define as "close?"
Luke 2:7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
This would have had to be sometime in the summer to late summer months for the shepherds to be out at night with their flocks, and make the trip to see Jesus in the manger that same night. It would have been too cold in the fall for any of that.
Yes... but the Romans had to work in the Dec. 25th celebration somehow! So, we'll just take the old celebration, change a few things, give it a shiny new name, and BAM! God is glorified!
Did anyone else ever notice that when Aaron made the golden calf at the base of Mt. Sinai that he proclaimed, "Tomorrow is a feast to YHWH!" Did anyone catch that? They THOUGHT they were creating a way to worship God! Sure, it was an image the Egyptians worshiped--- but "that's not what it meant to US!" For some reason, God wasn't pleased. He wanted to kill the whole nation, and start over with Moses.
YHWH makes it very clear, over and over, that we are to forget EVERYTHING the pagan nations did to worship their idols, and do things his way. Only His way!
The only way this is unclear is if one hasn't bothered to read the front 2/3 of their Bible.
Bless you, Jeff. You are following YHWH!
But it's not Jesus's "birthday party". It really doesn't matter if He was born that day. The celebration is that He was born to us at all. God with us.
Yes, that was the cause of much rejoicing in heaven and on the earth. But he was born to be our Lord and Savior, which was accomplished by his death, burial and resurrection.
1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
@ Linda Johnson. So, you answered your own comment , we celebrate Him every day of our lives not just on one set aside day.
@@judyshives2405 That one, too. Especially, because as someone here said, people are more likely to be listening then. That's something we should want to use, not just fastidiously wash our hands, and turn a cold heart to them, as we self-righteously turn our backs on them, to celebrate our own illusion of self-purity.
That's what every mass is. A celebration. You don't even try to use the Bible to justify and simply because you know can't. God's Holy days cover everything we need to celebrate Crist. And, so, if you're Catholic (which most dominations are to an extent) then bow your one. The only light to my feet is the Bible. And it says He doesn't want us looking or acting like the world. He'll rules my life. Hallelujah!
When I was a kid, I knew that Jesus and Santa Claus were two different kinds of things, on two different levels of existence. Even when I was a year and a half, I could tell by the music that the part of Christmas about Jesus and God were not the same as the part about Santa. I had a Golden Book about the Disney cartoon, with Mickey and Pluto, and the chipmunks looking at their reflections in Christmas ornaments, their tree home suddenly indoors, and lit by beautiful Christmas lights. I loved it, but I knew that the things about Jesus were holy, and not on the same level as that kind of merely fun things. I could tell by the difference in the music, the solemnity of the carols, pointing to the spiritual reality of God, and the cartoons and other diversions pointing to lesser desires. At three, I knew that my mama and daddy bought the presents and wrapped them, but I later "believed in" Santa for a few years, because I could tell that they wanted me to. At no time did I ever have Santa Claus and Jesus mixed up. Jesus was Holy, of God's truth, and Santa was imaginary, fantasy things.
Anyway, I reserve the right to use my freedom in Christ to share the gospel truths in Christmas carols with people who would perhaps benefit from them, although the opportunity to do so is very small, and disappearing more each year. Still, I won't be bullied out of the conviction that it can be helpful to some people, since I knew from experience that they can be.. And no, I will not knuckle under to the railers against Christmas, because, like me, not one of them is God, or will ever be God. I won't let them run my conscience, although they seem willing enough to run roughshod over it. That's ungodly by itself, and to knuckle under to it, would be to neglect to protect the faith we are given. It would be to settle for mere, Pharisee-style legalism.
Christmas is not this package deal, that to practice one part of it is to embrace all of it. It's more like Chicago. There are ungodly things in it, but here and there, a godly person or thing that points to Jesus. It's not Christmas you're asking anyone to believe in; it's Jesus..
Santa's characteristics:
Supernatural
Moral judge,
magical powers.
all seeing
infallible.
all knowing...
immortal
sounds like a god to me....
@@yupok318 I'm sure Satan is trying to turn poor Nicholas of Myra into a god, but he has long been trying to paganized the churches. So that makes church "mixed" and we should not be part of a church?
Doesn't really bother me either way. I try to celebrate Jesus everyday of the year.
There is nothing in the Bible that mandates a celebration of The Lord’s birth. Or, even Easter. Communion is the remembrance of what God had done on The Cross. Holidays are man made constructs that do not represent Biblical Christianity.
You did not watched the video
@@forthebestresultsonalldevices I did watch the video and I don’t agree.
Please address Deuteronomy 12 where Yahuah said not to worship Him in the same manner as other gods were worshipped.
Thank you.
Whether you celebrate Christmas or not its your choice but those who do shouldnt be judge. Celebrating Christ is what i focus on. Thank you for this video.
God is judging those who celebrate Christmas, just like He's judging the ppl who violate His other commandments. A person would have to be extremely arrogant to have the gall to say that nobody who sins against the Maker should ever be judged for it. He judged Israelites for their idolatry, and He doesn't change or lower His standards.
Yep they forget Romans 14 or even Colossians 2. Apparently like the eternal believers condemnation of celebrating a holiday which none of us a Christian’s celebrate it for its pagan intent. It’s fun nothing more nothing less. I won’t let another legalistic Christian judge me for something that I don’t think others I use it for. I’ll put the tree up put up the decorations sing the songs and buy gifts for my children. And we always teach why we celebrate it which is christs birth and why he came. All the other stuff is just for fun.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 There is no "commandment", your words, against celebrating Christmas. And keeping Christmas doesn't mean embracing everything that is called Christmas. Calvin used to go through houses, and punish people whom he thought had too many dishes, or the wrong decor. I don't want to obey a false, harsh, loveless, political, _so-called_ "Christianity", like Calvin used to oppress, and sometimes kill, the people of Geneva. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, but a lot to do with a wicked lust for power. It gives Jesus a bad name that He does not deserve.
@the eternal’s believer
God struck Uzza dead for touching the ark of the covenant too. He said, don’t touch it, even though it was falling and Uzza reached up to protect it. God said, don’t touch it & He meant it……, and it cost Uzza his life.
@ Kerry Bella The Bible says we are to judge with righteous judgment.
Nimrod’s birthday was December 25th, not Christ’s. The evergreen tree was first used by Nimrod’s mother as an everlasting memorial to Nimrod. If it has to do with Christ why are you wearing Santa hats? It’s pagan
Look up Nimrod (Tammuz) birthday.
Amen. God blesses you.
Amen!! And the laptop fireplace 😂😂
First read Deuteronomy ch.12 vs.20-32. Then you must go to Matthew ch 5 vs. 17-19. I believe those with eyes to see and ears to hear will make the connection! Shalom