I also use a small toddler kiddy pool from the hardware store and I cut one side for entry much cleaner. I've never used pellets, sounds like a great idea to keep smell down ! Just which alfalfa pellets for small animals or horses?
Hi, we have a litter of 10, 4 week old pups. We aren't blessed with a huge space. Momma is starting to push them away, so we have puppy food w/ puppy formula. So potty time is more "fun". The last few days I've been keeping an eagle eye on them and did the pick up puppy and put on pee pads. They do seem to be catching on, kind of. I'm getting this is literally a 24/7 thing awhile?:I'm going to try your suggestion. What is a reasonable amount of time before I can take a potty break of my own?
In reading your question I'm not sure if you are using alfalfa as well or just starting with potty pads. Let me explain how I use the potty pads and then I'll get to the time commitment. I do not train them to potty pads first, so I'm not putting them on them to get them to go on them as step one and then alfalfa step 2. Instead, I'm using potty pads strategically placed where I know they will pee on them - for example, right outside the crate where they sleep. They wake, climb out and pee. I use those slightly soiled pee pads and place them on alfalfa as a way to transfer the smell of where they should be going. (while still placing fresh potty pads outside crate). If you are not using a crate, you can still do what you are doing by collecting scent on potty pads, but with the reason being to then place those atop alfalfa. As far as time commitment. Here's my method: I am not in there consistently either, but I know that the second they wake up, 100% of the time they will pee within a minute. Knowing that, I try to be there for each possible wake up session and intervene by physically placing them in litter tray. Consistently being there is extremely helpful, but I don't "camp out" there. As far as poopies: They are going to poop after eating, typically within 30 minutes. I just hang out and play with them and watch for tell tale signs of it coming - they generally lumber around or away from the others to take a dump. When I see this I know they are "looking" for a place. I intervene and place them in the tray. It's just a matter of catching them at opportune moments and presenting the idea "oh, THIS is where I go." Soon enough, they'll seek it out themselves. They won't be 100%, but they'll be 100% better than puppies allowed to go anywhere or on newspaper. I hope that wasn't overwhelming. Good luck. Thank you for reaching out and for watching.
Hey Guys! Just wanted to thank you all again for your videos. 8 weeks has come to and end and our pups leave tomorrow. The alfalfa pellets saved us countless hours. They were definitely 90+ %. Most importantly it gave us the opportunity to really enjoy the experience and be present with our pups. We now have our puppy owners watch the weekly development videos. Your the best! Kelly’s Colorado Goldens
That is awesome! This is fantastic to hear, such great feedback. I'm so glad you were able to enjoy the process, it is so rewarding, isn't it? You did a great job for your puppies and new homes. I feel for you on goodbye day. It's a roller coaster of emotions. Just think how many decades of love you are handing over. 💕🐾🐾 Thank you so much for watching!
I tried this and it was amazing!! The first morning I woke up and all the pees and poops were in or near the pans I almost cried! Slight adjustments I made for mine was to put the “backsplash in the bin. I used a cardboard box so the flaps were under the pellets and still taped at one corner to give it stability. Downfall: they started to enjoy chewing the cardboard. We also found after cleaning it completely out for the first time that loads of pee had crept underneath the pan. We are currently trying to use folded pee pads at the edges to absorb and highlight areas where the pee missed the target.
It is amazing how those little creatures at just weeks old catch on, isn't it? I understand what you are saying about the dripping down the seam. I wonder if laying a strip of vinyl flooring under the area would work? Regarding the cardboard, as I read it, right away I thought they'd be chewing, but then you found that out yourself over time. Just when we think we've outsmarted them they outsmart us! Little stinkers. It's definitely a process of figuring out what works and what doesn't, but just not seeing poop and pee all over is a huge win! And their transition to outdoor potty training will be a breeze for their new owners. Way to go!!!!!
There's nothing better than puppies and the free endorphins they give. Good luck in the upcoming weeks - enjoy it, it goes fast! And thank you for watching!
Thank you for all the info. Update: Im trying this with our mature min pin Louie. I gave him a four ounce bowl of watered down bone broth. I lured him over to the box with a treat, he went in, examined it quickly & ate some alfalfa tablets Ha!. I heard you say they go right thru so that’s no biggee but i hope he will actually use it. I know he’s full. Wish him luck. I put it across from his heated nest. & salted it with some of his fresh urine & a small t roll on a paper towel.
@@TheRetrieverNation unfortunately will not longer be able to get him as I was in a car accident yesterday and also my dad was admitted to hospital so we can’t afford the adoption fee 😞
Im going to try this for the senior min pin we adopted. Hes a gem & Id like him to be comfortable thru the night. He’s house trained completely but maybe in his unknown past or maybe this will be new. I’ll try to collect his scent on a potty pad to get him started. Thanks this is a wonderful method for your puppies We’ll see if Louie will like it🤞.
This video has been so helpful and I just want to start off by saying Thank you! I’ve subscribed to your channel because you have been the only person to throughly explain a method that WORKS! We just brought our 6 week old pit bull puppy home who is not yet vaccinated and we were limited to potty pads that were not working. I started having puppy blues after a few days of no success with getting her to go on the pads and constant biting and nipping. This lead to me feeling like we’ve made the wrong decision to get a puppy 😢. Last night we created a pen for her, using an exercise pen, and her crate in side the exercise pen, and the litter pan adjacent to the crate as you suggested. It’s a lot smaller than yours because we live in an apartment, but she used the litter pan last night to poop and pee! The alfalfa must work wonders ❤. I do have a concern for potty training outside once she is fully vaccinated, because we live in an apartment on the second floor. Do you have a video explaining how to switch to outside from the litter pan once she can be out there? Or can you please tell me how I should go about this? I am completely clueless and my husband and I are both first time dog owners. And I’m the only one with her 90% of the time due to him working. I work remotely and want her to be able to use the potty outside so I can work and not have to helicopter over her 100% of the day. Im so afraid that she will get used to going on the alfalfa and we won’t be able to take her out in time when she is signaling because we have to walk down a flight of stairs. This video is this only thing that gave me hope about keeping our new puppy because she is so sweet and seems to be a quick learner, but the fear of not being able to get her to go outside after the litter pan is causing me a lot of anxiety. Please help 😢❤
Gem was THE superstar potty trainee - it took her one day to figure it out and she was consistent from then on. It's just so amazing they can figure it out when they are so young and tiny. Thanks for sharing her continued success potty training at home. Her name fits her well and will continue to, I'm sure. :)
Trying your tips as a first time dog 👵🏻. My pups are almost 4 weeks. Started at a little over 3 weeks with the alfalfa pellets just up against the crate door. (Our house doesn’t have a lot of tile floor space). Do you suggest starting to move it further away from the crate door at this point? I’m waiting for a 5’x 10’ pet flooring to expand my space. Loved your video. Although I feel like I’m not doing the best at executing 😂
Hi Susie, thanks for the question. It's fine where you started, but I would suggest moving it a bit further as/when space allows. In the beginning it always feels like the execution of this plan isn't the best, but stick with it and you'll see improvement every single day. Keep it up! And thank you for watching.
Love this video and content. Thank you for sharing. On another topic, do you start crate training your litter? If so, do you do individual crates or have a few puppies share a crate?
No, this is just a head start program. There is enough going on in their lives for the first seven weeks. Crate/potty training is left to the new owners and is significantly easier because of this program. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I can't wait to try this! Our second litter is two weeks old and last time what I did didn't work too well! What size of crate did you use for your 10 pups?
We did too, and just had to keep her. She is an outstanding dog and made it to the National Derby Championship at 17 months old. Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/ENTCqmdhjn8/v-deo.html
They’re so adorable and cute I wish they would stay puppies!! Lol. This is the first few times I’ve seen these trays and alfalfa pellets used but it’s a genus idea and makes since that it would be a pretty easy transition to go outside in the grays. Since it prob smells the same to them and is familiar. I can’t believe how fast you’re able to get them potty trained.
Hello!! I have been doing this for about a week with my 5 week old puppies and it have WORKED sooo well!! Thank you!! Just today I got really scared when one of the puppies was chewing on a pellet and for a moment a piece got caught on her throat. Se passed the piece and is fine now, but many of the puppies are chewing on the pellets and im wondering for safety reasons if there is another way to do this 🙏🏻
Honestly I never had any puppies I any litter have that problem. Recheck how much/often you are feeding them and consider modifying this. They shouldn't be turning to alfalfa as food. That is the only thing I can come up with. Sorry that is happening.
@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you for your response!! They are more into pellets as chewing toys I guess... (although they have PLENTY of toys) they are still on milk from their mother, and also always have access to food, which makes me think they are not using the pellets as food. they love to play with them, and to jump all over the tray with pellets playfully. I guess I got a really playful litter!
@@TheRetrieverNation hello! I love this very informative video. I’m currently working with our litter of 4week old goldendoodles. Can you please advise exactly what type and brand of the pellets you use please? I’ve seen so many different types. I’ve also seen the Alfalfa wood pellets but read that those can cause problems if ingested by a small puppy. Thank you!
I only use the pads to transfer scent and establish it in the tray. After about 2 weeks I don't use them at all. So it's short lived. I do feel it helps for the reason I stated. Thanks for watching!
I use a small plastic kiddy pool from the hardware store and I cut a door in the middle always works for my litters! I've never used pellets sounds like a great idea to keep smell down so I'm going to give it a try! Can u please tell me small animal alfalfa pellets or horse pellets? Thx in advance!
Pools work great too. We live in MN and the basement floors are very cold in winter so opted for the whelping box with warming basin, but, yes, I've seen pools used with success as well. Horse alfalfa pellets. I guess I've never looked in the small animal section to see if they are same size but definitely you'll want the amount the equine section provides.
This video was wonderful and very informative. We will be getting our 8 week old cavapoo in a few weeks and I'm wondering if using a litter pan indoors during the day while I'm at work and maybe at night but also using potty outdoors would work? Or should I stick with just having him use the outdoors. I love in a 2nd floor apartment and I'm putting sod squares on my balcony which will be his "yard" (until he's fully vaccinated and also when he needs to go at night) and was just wondering about the litter pan as a daytime alternative. Your thoughts? Thank you so much.
Thank you and how exciting...the anticipation of getting a new puppy is thrilling. I do think you could have success with what you want to do. We did something similar, but not long term and I'll share our process: We kept one pup from our litter, but also 'puppy-sat' another from our litter for a week. To help transition the puppies to going outside, as well as teaching them which door I want them to go to when they eventually signal on their own that the need to go outside, I placed an alfalfa container in front of the patio door. I switched from the square tray shown in the video to a clear plastic storage tote, that was more rectangular in shape and had higher sides, just to take up less floor space. The taller edges are not a problem at this point, as they can climb in and out easily, and it holds the alfalfa better. The puppies both knew to go in this box because of the previous litter pan training. Sometimes in the middle of the night, I could hear one of them walking in the alfalfa (the light crunch crunch it makes) and I would smile knowing they were good little puppies doing the right thing. After a week the one puppy left, and we transitioned the puppy we kept to strictly outdoors (we have 3 other Labs, and so we need them to all go outside). Your new little puppy will have to learn to go to alfalfa to begin with. IDK what the breeder has been doing, so there will be a learning curve to the alfalfa tray method to begin with. But I do believe it can be done, puppies are really super smart. I also think you can then train to go outdoors as well which will offer you a sort of hybrid potty system. Brilliant. Good luck!!!
Thank you so much for that information! And it's great because my breeder is also using the litter pan and alfalfa! I love your method of transitioning to the outdoors. I think I may give my "hybrid" method a try just until he's gotten his vaccinations and can hold his bladder throughout the night, then we'll go 100% solely outdoors! Thanks again and many blessings to you, your fur babies, and your awesome channel! Keep providing such excellent content!
Thanks. LOL "Living on the Edge" I love that you have named each "oops" or funny try. What is the height of your plastic pen that goes all around? I have Standard Poodles and I am struggling with what height to use.
The height of our pen was just under 27". This height allowed us to easily climb into the pen. I am not sure what height would work best for you, but if it is for poodle puppies I would think so. I'll attach what brand we used. We never used the little puppy door they show. If you watch my "raising a litter" videos weeks 1-7 I believe the set up of the pen is during week three. I''ll attach that playlist as well. Weeks 1-7: ua-cam.com/play/PLbobEvPJETl42h9Vh8leSwIzVeJt2fnSq.html Pen: www.petsmart.com/dog/crates-gates-and-containment/houses-and-pens/north-statesandtrade-petyard-8-panel-pet-pen-32438.html
What do you feed your puppies? Mine do not have nearly as solid poops so it’s been harder to scoop the pellets without making a mess. Works great though! More successful with poops than pees
Cedar shavings have been used by people but the concern there is if a puppy eats some it will not pass well and can cause problems. Although it's not ideal for puppies to eat the alfalfa either, if they did it would break down easily, digest, and pass. Also the alfalfa is the best option in that it is the closest organic material to grass which is the next step in potty training - getting them to go outdoors. Literally the transition is almost effortless and we've heard from many we send our puppies to that they've done so with zero accidents. Thank you so much for watching!
Do you not see a need for a grate over the tops of the pans? We have four lab pups almost two weeks old now and I want to stay ahead of the game on this!
There is no need for grates. You want the pups to be able to walk around and find "their spot" to go. This is an important aspect of their development. Thanks for watching!
Hi Kelly, Great question. We placed a low entry plastic rectangle tote filled with alfalfa in the kitchen by the door. At night it will save you from accidents, you'll hear the crunch crunch and know they are doing the right thing. During the day, do you best to potty train as normal, by taking them out frequently (every 2 hours or so, and after they eat) and use positive affirmation of any success outdoors. They will be drawn to the organic outdoor grass. You can even remove the tote during the day and just use it at night once you are having mostly success. It works like a charm. Good luck!
Thanks for this video. Can you offer any advice for the pups that are trying to eat the pellets? They are turning 4 weeks tomorrow and I'm terrified of the ones trying to eat them choking on them!
Pellets break down and easily pass. I would not be concerned with a puppy that consumes some, although it is not ideal. Redirecting the behavior of the puppy and offering more frequent feedings sounds like a simplistic solution but is probably the one that will work the best. If they aren't in the tray to do business (you can tell by the sniffing for location) relocate them. Soiling by others I'm the litter pan will also reinforce this.
Hello! Yes, the puppies are left on there own overnight. They have free roam of their pen and access the litter pan trays during the night as well. In the morning I find little tootsies all over in the trays right where they should be. There's the occasional accident but it's typically still nearby the trays. Truly, there is so much satisfaction finding a clean pen in the morning and realizing that these little 4-7 week fur balls are doing the right thing. It's precious! Thanks for the great question and thank you for watching!
@@TheRetrieverNation No thank you thanks for reply my Girl Sheba will be over the moon hearing such news 😀 day 18 today another week to go or so , God Bless 🙏
I've got a senior Chihuahua mix that loathes going on dirt or grass. We lost our oldest pup last year who'd become incontinent during her last few months. Unfortunately we discovered that it is nigh on impossible to completely clean laminate floors; the urine quickly seeps through the cracks and soaks into the under layers so even a year later our picky pup still makes use of the places our old dog most often soiled. She will use puppy pads but it's hard to keep the mess from leaking over the edges. Do you think we might have more success using this method? Are there any adaptations you would recommend? Thank you for the wonderful ideas!
That sounds like a tricky situation, and I can't say if this method would work, but comparatively it would be better than the present situation, so worth a try. It may require some "sent" training. In the video I explain moving lightly soiled pads from outside the crate to the litter pan in an effort to transfer where the scent is and instead to where it should be. You might try that on some of the areas you are referring to. Also, I've not dealt with cleaning areas like you have, but have you tried chlorhexidine? (I'll attach where I get chlorhexidine below.) Good luck! www.revivalanimal.com/product/chlorhexidine-solution?sku=27180-801
Well, on the positive, the alfalfa will break down and just pass through. But still not ideal. I've heard of some using wood chips, but those would not pass through. I'm sure you've tried redirecting their play to other toys and items. I wonder if introducing new toys would help? I hope this situation is temporary for you.
Sure! I'll attach the link below. We were very happy with it. www.petsmart.com/dog/crates-gates-and-containment/houses-and-pens/north-statesandtrade-petyard-8-panel-pet-pen-32438.html
This is a great video but I am in trouble here. I have 9 puppies that are almost 2 weeks old. The only room I have available is a very small spare room with not a lot of space for these pans plus sleeping and play area, it's tiny. I am also on my own so it's going to be a bit of a mess. Not sure what to do other than perhaps move all my furniture to the basement and set up the livingroom for their area
Don't worry! I'm sure you can come up with some creative solution! It can be done with just one litter pan tray to train, just know that with 9 puppies the area will get "used" more quickly. Just scoop it more. Best of luck!
@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you so much for your reply and vote of confidence and showing me it can be done. 😊. I have been listening to too much from others like those who used newspaper and mopped the floor 3 times a day. If you can get the pups trained early you should be able to avoid the poop storm. Thanks again
I see you pick up poo as they go but what about urine? Do the pellets clump do you spot clean or how often do you completely replace the litter? Thanks so much for this video it’s so helpful!!
Thank you! To answer your question: The urine just soaks in to the pellets and ends up breaking them down. I do not spot clean pellets, but about once a day or so will move the top layer pellets aside with the scooper and shovel out some of the broken down matter beneath. As far as completely replacing the litter, the timing depends. When you first begin this, you can go almost a week or even more before replacing. As they grow, you will recognize when you need to do this, as it will be more often. Their poops get bigger, but so does the size of their potty stream. It's almost cute, you'll hear it as well as it grows in 'force' ;) Hope this helps!
@@TheRetrieverNation I started 2 days ago and omg it is so cute to hear them pee as weird as that sounds lol 😂 they HATE how the pellets feel they on their paws, but they seemed to take to it pretty well. They’re struggling with poo more than anything. And see now what you mean as far as cleaning and replacing. I don’t know if I’m nose blind but there is not awful urine smell!!! I was previously training them to go on a fake grassy patch inside but OMG that thing smelled horrid! Which is why I looked for alternatives and thank goodness came across your vid! Would have never thought litter training was a possibility for pups! I just hope they will fully understand it only ok to go inside the house in the litter and not all over!
LOL, it IS cute to hear them pee, I agree!!! -- They'll get used to the feel of the pellets. Introducing different textures through their paws is actually very beneficial to them, as they learn so much through that sense of touch. I, too, appreciate the way the alfalfa takes care of the odor. I think you will have luck having them go 'only' in the litter pan, as they are naturally drawn to organic material. Best of luck in the upcoming weeks!
This type of litter with 1 dog should last approximately 3 weeks to 1 mo before you need to completely change it but you sometimes need to add a little as pee turns pellets to sawdust.
Great question. This video is for rearing a litter if puppies. I don't think the "real grass trays" could keep up with a litter of 8-10 puppies as you will be cleaning and replacing "litter" several times a day to maintain cleanliness. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this. We have our puppies inside the house since it's very hot outside and there are adult dogs there. would it be okay to use alfalfa pellets for bunnies? We don't have one for horses and I want to make sure it's okay. Also how much do you I would need for a litter of 8? I'm not sure because this is the first time I would be using this.
I would think the bunny alfalfa pellets would work, as the main point is teaching them to go in organic material that is similar to the outdoors. We had 8 in our last litter and used two trays that seemed enormous to begin with, but boy did we need them as they grew each week (poopy sizes too!). As far as the amount, we went through several bags. I'm wondering if the amount of the bunny pellets will cover the surface area needed towards the end weeks. You'll just have to see. I'll attach what we used. I purchased it at Fleet Farm, but I see this is an item that doesn't ship from that store, but maybe will from another supplier. Good luck! And thank you so much for watching!!! www.standleeforage.com/products/premium-alfalfa-pellets/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0eOPBhCGARIsAFIwTs7zjo_PtpzF_lc759UcX7YLuCJ1Ot8nl2qIWyKEJecC3lqKpXyBKb4aAitxEALw_wcB
My problem is I have an 8 year old dog that is sick and haves trouble walking and we moved from a house to a high raised building her heart is beating out her chest and today it took me to put her in a grocery cart to get her back upstairs to our apartment. If you can help I would appreciate it. With a reply much appreciated
I'm thinking you are wondering if an 8 year old dog can transition to litter pan training to eliminate having to take her outside to go due to living in a high rise.... I can't say for certain one way or another. My experience is mostly with young puppies. I'm sorry you are experiencing this, it sounds like a difficult situation for both you and your dog. I've heard of people using wagons for their not-so-mobile dogs to help get them outside when living in an apartment. If you want to try the alfalfa trays I would suggest bagging some of your dogs poops and placing them in there to help suggest to her that that is where she can poop/pee. I can't say for certain it would work, but it's probably too much to try to get your dog, at 8 years old, to learn this without some helpful hints from you. Good luck, and I'm really sorry about your situation.
@@TheRetrieverNation thanks that very good advice, but yesterday she took her last breath, I found her on the floor in front of where I sit on the couch,
Hi, thanks for the question. Yes, the alfalfa itself is enough eventually. By laying lightly soiled pads on top during the introduction the scent teaches them where to go. Clean potty pads are placed just outside their crate, and as those become lightly soiled, I transfer them to the litter pans and new pads outside crate. So the scent is always being moved into the litter pan, teaching them that THAT is where they should go. By about 5 weeks of age the potty pads are not used at all.
Hi everybody. I’m looking for feedback from whoever… I will adopt a dog soon as a first time dog owner. I don’t like the idea of creating a dog. I much rather have a play pen with a dog pan filled with cedar pellets or pee pads. Or if I were to get a crate, I would leave the door open. I am looking to adopt a dog that is already housebroken, not a pup. What are your thoughts? The rescue agency are all about crates, crates crates and it would be nice to hear another perspective.
I understand your feelings about crates, but one reason it is brought up often is that for many dogs it provides a sense of security and for some a feeling of safety. That you want to give open space such as a pen with litter box is wonderful. Maybe consider having a crated area along with it that the dog may retreat to? Check out this video for an idea of what that could look like: ua-cam.com/video/vCYzc2M3NZk/v-deo.html Good luck!
Thanks for the question. It is not necessary to place the pellets outside. The smell of the great outdoors (grass) will be enough. There are a couple of ways to transition: We use a smaller tote filled with the alfalfa and set it next to the door the puppy will be using to go outside. You will hear them walk around in this. When they do, quickly take them outside. Also, just by taking your puppy out frequently (like every 2 -3 hours) will get them used to going outside. We use the tote for about 5 days. It was specifically helpful overnight. Some people crate their puppy overnight so the whining will wake them (puppies typically will not go where they sleep). Another way to transition: The alfalfa can help transition but isn't entirely needed. Some families have had 100% potty training success by transitioning straight to the outdoors. Many owners from our most recent litter told us they had little to no accidents just by going straight to the outdoors. It's your call.
Could you use bedding pellets instead of alfalfa pellets? I have horses who eat alfalfa pellets and with the rising prices I don’t really want to buy alfalfa pellets just for them to get peed and pooped on.
Hi Alyse! Great question. My answer would be: possibly? I haven't used bedding pellets, and my only concern is that you are speaking of cedar bedding for something like guinea pigs. I tend to steer clear of things they cannot pass through in case of accidental consumption, but I do hear your reasoning regarding rising prices. I guess there is no harm in trying something less expensive if its safe. I do know the reason they like the alfalfa is that it is very similar to outdoor grass which is where you will transition them to. Maybe the price difference isn't that great, and when the time frame is only about 4-5 weeks, maybe it's still worth it. I've found that Fleet Farm and Tractor Supply Company have much more reasonable prices for alfalfa pellets. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching! Good luck!
Thanks for the quick reply! I’ll definitely take all that into consideration, I still have roughly 8 months until I plan my litter to think all this through and figure it out. Once again, thanks for the insight.
Help! I started litter pan training about a week ago and I have only 1 out of 5 puppies using the pan regularly. The rest of the puppies are peeing and pooping all over the “kennel.” Any suggestions?
Several questions need to be answered here. How old are they? How often are you physically in the kenneled area with them? Are they contained to a crate ever? Have you used lightly soiled pee pads to successfully transfer scent into the trays? Try to physically be with them as frequently as possible. By using a larger crate for them to puppy pile into as they sleep, you can intentionally wake them by saying Puppy, Puppy, Puppy and as they startle awake know they are going to pee within 20 seconds of being upright walking. Call them to the tray, physically carrying them to get as many their as possible. Do this frequently. Poopy: now that you are feeding them and they aren't nursing, you know that after they eat they'll need to poop so stay with them and watch for the cues: nose down, trotting off looking for the place to go, or even the hunched back just seconds before. Help them out by placing them in the tray. The process initially involves dedicated time on your end. They are smart creatures and will learn what you teach. But you must be the teacher. By week 6 things significantly improve and by week 7 almost all have it mastered if you've been there enough to do your part.
Love the dog litter box so far but it has created an entirely new problem. How do I get my puppy to stop eating the damn pellets. No amount of “noooo” will stop it. I can sit there and say no and fish 15 out of her mouth in a row and she will continue to keep picking up another.
Oh man, that's no good. We've honestly never had that problem. I know that canine's will not eat their own waste or urine, so possibly the problem could be there is too much fresh/clean pellets and not enough scent across the area to turn her away from that idea. I would maybe consider decreasing the amount of the pellets or size of litter pan (but you've already purchased it) in hopes of increasing the scent that is spread throughout. Since we began with 8-10 puppies doing this in the area, we had no problem with 'scent distribution' and never a problem with them eating them. Another idea is to switch to wood chips, but then you have to make sure she is not ingesting them, which is the nice thing about the alfalfa. If I had to deal with this, I would first try not cleaning the area as frequently and letting it get a little ripe with urine and poop to create an undesirable area. Then I would switch to wood chips but monitor closely. I'm sorry this has created a new problem. Keep me posted. Good luck.
Little pups have a very tiny bladder and they need to go out ALOT! Always get them outside after eating, drinking, playing and sleeping! You will be surprised at how fast they learn that outside is the place to "go"! Thanks for watching!
I can't say for certain, as we transition to outdoor potty training, but quite possibly. Dog owners situations can be different, so if transitioning to outdoor potty training isn't an option, or if this method is used as a back up while the owner is out it could maybe be a long term option.
I noticed that you say puppy puppy puppies with both feeding time and potty time. I’m nervous to start saying that so I started saying potty. Potty potty for potty time Lol . Do you introduce mush BEFORE you teach potty training ??
We say puppy, puppy, puppy just to get them to come to us. As soon as they are transitioned to the larger pen with the litter pan, we sneak in when they are sleeping (just before feeding) and call them towards us (we position ourselves right next to the litter pan) when they arrive, we gently help them into the pan initially to get them used to making it all the way into the pan. This happens before and during the intro to mush. Thanks for watching!
My dog eats alphalfa and wood pellets, can I try cat litter? She will use a pan in her enclosure but when she's out in the house, she will not use it. Help??
I cannot say if you should or should not try cat litter, as I've never used the product. Regarding using it while enclosed, but not when free in house...Is there a way to keep her blocked to a certain area of the house when you are gone so that she uses it? I think limiting options and space may be your solution here.
Hi there, I was wondering is it possible to retrain a puppy that is seven months eight months old is it possible to retrain them using that method you have the litter pan with the alfalfa. My seven month soon to be eight month old puppy had a terrible time chewing the puppy pads and I tried many different ways of keeping those puppy pads down is it possible to get her to use that method you have rather than go all over my backyard she has no problem going on the grass doing her business but she will not do her business when we go for a walk that itself I’m not sure what that is but she has that problem she won’t go do her business when we go for walks she only does it in the backyard. so do you think at this age she could be re-taught how to use that method you have? Looking forward to your reply and thank you in advance
I think it will be in the dogs nature to want to go outside and I think it's normal for them to want to go all over their yard - their established territory. I can see how the puppy pads would be a problem - even with my method, I have to remove them by week 5/6 because they are playing and tearing them up. The puppy pads are needed to establish scent in the tray and since you aren't able to use them, I think it'd be really hard for your dog to figure that out. Litter pan training is fine, but I think a dog that goes outside is most ideal and it sounds like you have that.
I see your point, but a couple of things here: These puppies are 3-7 weeks old. They are going to be pooping and peeing somewhere. This contains it to an area. The alternative is that it would be all over. Also, this is not the floor in my house. This is a contained pen where they are raised until they go to their forever homes at 7 weeks. I clean and sanitize this floor a few times a day with chlorhexadine solution, so even though it is not perfectly sanitary, its the best I can do with 8-10 puppies that are just learning. Additionally, they actually do not step on each others poop. They are surprisingly smart enough to avoid most of it. And remember, cats of all ages use litter boxes, and even though they are not my preferred animal of choice, they, too, are clever enough to not step in their poop. And after using the litter box, Cat's walk everywhere in the house. --- I use this method for newborn puppies and when they transition to their new homes, potty training (learning to go outside) is learned quickly because they've been trained to go on organic material and their "new" organic material will be the great outdoors. I'm sorry you didn't find the video to your liking. I hope my explanation answered your question. Thank you for watching.
This technique trains them to desire to go to the bathroom in organic material, alfalfa. Transitioning to the outdoors is then, very easy but requires work on the owners end. Puppies need to have the opportunity to go outside frequently. The saying is: their age in months +1. This is the amount of hours they can hold it. So at 2 months (8 weeks) they can hold it for 3 hours. So the answer to your question is yes and no. Yes they will desire outdoor organic material, no they are not potty trained, but success is right around the corner and completely dependent on you and your commitment. All the litters we've used this on owners rave about the ease, often citing only one or two small accidents before fully trained (keeping in mind the equation). That's a great success!
My 5 and 1/2 old Boston Terrier puppy will poop in the litter box on her own, but she will only pee in the litter box when I place her in it and has a lot of accidents in my house. Have you ever heard of this behavior?
That doesn't sound like a fun situation, I'm sorry you are experiencing this. It sounds like she thinks the litter box is solely for number 2s. I'm guessing she probably established going potty outside of the litter box is acceptable, though you and I both know differently. My only advice would be assertive scolding accidents outside the box and using very positive reinforcement for success in the litter box. That, and basically re-training her. By that I mean, as soon as she's up put her in the litter box, because she should pee within a few minutes, and do this several times a day to retrain her so that there are no accidents ever. It may sound like a lot of re-work, but if you want success I believe you will have to invest this time into the process once again. Good luck.
Hi Jessica, thanks for the question. The product I use is Chlorhexidine Solution by Aspen. It is a 2% concentrate that needs to be diluted. The dilution calls for 2 TBSP Chlorhexidine per gallon of water. I mix it into an empty milk gallon and use that gallon to fill my spray bottle. The reason I like this product is that it states, Chlorhexidine is "An antiseptic and antimicrobial disinfectant which provides fast acting activity against a wide range of microorganisms... (is) A non-toxic, non-irritating agent possessing a wide range of antiseptic and antimicrobial activity against organisms.." Here is the link to Revival Animal Health where I got it. Like $13. Will last forever. Read what it says on their site about it too. :) www.revivalanimal.com/product/chlorhexidine-solution?sku=27180-801
This is strictly for teaching puppies to go potty in an isolated area of their whelping box. Incidentally, it also kick starts potty training and the desire to go outside with positive reinforcement. Cat litter is for cats and dogs are not meant to use litter boxes as adolescents or adults.
Thanks for the question. I do believe so, though it's not a promise. The learning curve would probably need to be longer as a grown dog already has established behaviors. A consideration is the amount of stress on the dog to relearn a new method of where the appropriate place is 'to go' and how long they may hold it thinking it's wrong because they are used to going in a different place (outside for instance). That would be something to weigh out. Personally, for my dogs that know to go outside, I don't know that I'd put stress on them to retrain to a different method unless there was a really good reason to do so.
I think you are referring to puppies older than the ones in the video? Yes, I believe you can keep using them as a place for the dog to go during the night. I've had comments from several people that choose to do this. Good luck! It's so nice when they go in the correct place. :)
It's worth a shot. We did this with our newborn puppies from 3 weeks to 7 weeks (when they leave our home), and used it as a transition with a puppy we kept until fully potty trained at about 9 weeks. 5 month old puppies, like yours, are still very trainable, so it may be possible. -The general rule for potty training is the puppy can make it their age in months +1. So a 5 month old puppy should be able to make it 6 hours without having to go out. If you try litter pan training, let us know how it worked out. Good luck! :)
Great question. Other than regularly cleaning out tootsie rolls we replace the pellets as needed. At first that means probably every 3-5 days we are scooping out broken down alfalfa and replacing it. As the puppies grow and their streams of urine increase in amount the pellets break down more quickly and replacement is needed more frequently. I will occasionally empty the entire pan, clean it, and fill with all fresh pellets because it just makes me feel like the place is clean and tidy. So, there's no strict rule on it, it's a go with the flow and respond as necessary. Hope that helps!
I had two cats before my puppy, and the puppy learned to use cat litter from the cats. I never taught him what to do. He did it on his own.
Canines are a very intelligent animal. 👌
What kind of dog do you have and did they use the same litter box as the cats? No issues with them trying to eat cat feces?
I also use a small toddler kiddy pool from the hardware store and I cut one side for entry much cleaner.
I've never used pellets, sounds like a great idea to keep smell down ! Just which alfalfa pellets for small animals or horses?
Hi, we have a litter of 10, 4 week old pups. We aren't blessed with a huge space. Momma is starting to push them away, so we have puppy food w/ puppy formula. So potty time is more "fun". The last few days I've been keeping an eagle eye on them and did the pick up puppy and put on pee pads. They do seem to be catching on, kind of. I'm getting this is literally a 24/7 thing awhile?:I'm going to try your suggestion. What is a reasonable amount of time before I can take a potty break of my own?
In reading your question I'm not sure if you are using alfalfa as well or just starting with potty pads. Let me explain how I use the potty pads and then I'll get to the time commitment.
I do not train them to potty pads first, so I'm not putting them on them to get them to go on them as step one and then alfalfa step 2. Instead, I'm using potty pads strategically placed where I know they will pee on them - for example, right outside the crate where they sleep. They wake, climb out and pee. I use those slightly soiled pee pads and place them on alfalfa as a way to transfer the smell of where they should be going. (while still placing fresh potty pads outside crate). If you are not using a crate, you can still do what you are doing by collecting scent on potty pads, but with the reason being to then place those atop alfalfa.
As far as time commitment. Here's my method: I am not in there consistently either, but I know that the second they wake up, 100% of the time they will pee within a minute. Knowing that, I try to be there for each possible wake up session and intervene by physically placing them in litter tray. Consistently being there is extremely helpful, but I don't "camp out" there.
As far as poopies: They are going to poop after eating, typically within 30 minutes. I just hang out and play with them and watch for tell tale signs of it coming - they generally lumber around or away from the others to take a dump. When I see this I know they are "looking" for a place. I intervene and place them in the tray.
It's just a matter of catching them at opportune moments and presenting the idea "oh, THIS is where I go." Soon enough, they'll seek it out themselves. They won't be 100%, but they'll be 100% better than puppies allowed to go anywhere or on newspaper.
I hope that wasn't overwhelming. Good luck. Thank you for reaching out and for watching.
I am fostering 11 puppies, this morning I woke up to a poop massacre. I thought there has to be a better way. Going to try this today!!
Good luck! A poop massacre is no fun. I have high hopes this method will only improve that, nobody wants to start their day like that!
Hey Guys! Just wanted to thank you all again for your videos. 8 weeks has come to and end and our pups leave tomorrow. The alfalfa pellets saved us countless hours. They were definitely 90+ %. Most importantly it gave us the opportunity to really enjoy the experience and be present with our pups. We now have our puppy owners watch the weekly development videos. Your the best!
Kelly’s Colorado Goldens
That is awesome! This is fantastic to hear, such great feedback. I'm so glad you were able to enjoy the process, it is so rewarding, isn't it? You did a great job for your puppies and new homes. I feel for you on goodbye day. It's a roller coaster of emotions. Just think how many decades of love you are handing over. 💕🐾🐾 Thank you so much for watching!
I tried this and it was amazing!! The first morning I woke up and all the pees and poops were in or near the pans I almost cried! Slight adjustments I made for mine was to put the “backsplash in the bin. I used a cardboard box so the flaps were under the pellets and still taped at one corner to give it stability. Downfall: they started to enjoy chewing the cardboard. We also found after cleaning it completely out for the first time that loads of pee had crept underneath the pan. We are currently trying to use folded pee pads at the edges to absorb and highlight areas where the pee missed the target.
It is amazing how those little creatures at just weeks old catch on, isn't it? I understand what you are saying about the dripping down the seam. I wonder if laying a strip of vinyl flooring under the area would work? Regarding the cardboard, as I read it, right away I thought they'd be chewing, but then you found that out yourself over time. Just when we think we've outsmarted them they outsmart us! Little stinkers. It's definitely a process of figuring out what works and what doesn't, but just not seeing poop and pee all over is a huge win! And their transition to outdoor potty training will be a breeze for their new owners. Way to go!!!!!
What a great video!! My puppies are 1 week old today, so now I can prepare. Thanks for such a great idea, only the best for the fur babies 💕💙
There's nothing better than puppies and the free endorphins they give. Good luck in the upcoming weeks - enjoy it, it goes fast! And thank you for watching!
Just had a litter of 12 husky and black cur mix puppies. Everything said was so true. Best training vid...
Thank you!!! Good luck with your pups! They grow so fast! Enjoy!
Thank you for all the info. Update: Im trying this with our mature min pin Louie. I gave him a four ounce bowl of watered down bone broth. I lured him over to the box with a treat, he went in, examined it quickly & ate some alfalfa tablets Ha!. I heard you say they go right thru so that’s no biggee but i hope he will actually use it. I know he’s full. Wish him luck.
I put it across from his heated nest. & salted it with some of his fresh urine & a small t roll on a paper towel.
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been looking for a practical explanation of how to actually get them to go in the designated spots.
You're welcome!
This has been the most informative video in litter box training for puppies. Thank you!
Thank you so very much! I'm glad it gave you the information you were seeking. Thanks for watching!!!!
So excited to get our puppy on Saturday !! Keen to try this and will keep you guys updated in how it goes !
Please do! Getting a puppy is as exciting as bringing home a baby!
@@TheRetrieverNation unfortunately will not longer be able to get him as I was in a car accident yesterday and also my dad was admitted to hospital so we can’t afford the adoption fee 😞
Oh I am so sorry to hear this. I will be praying for both you and your dad.
@@TheRetrieverNation Thankyou very much ❤️
Im going to try this for the senior min pin we adopted. Hes a gem & Id like him to be comfortable thru the night. He’s house trained completely but maybe in his unknown past or maybe this will be new. I’ll try to collect his scent on a potty pad to get him started. Thanks this is a wonderful method for your puppies
We’ll see if Louie will like it🤞.
Good luck with Louie! Sounds like he's blessed with a good home. :)
This video has been so helpful and I just want to start off by saying Thank you! I’ve subscribed to your channel because you have been the only person to throughly explain a method that WORKS!
We just brought our 6 week old pit bull puppy home who is not yet vaccinated and we were limited to potty pads that were not working. I started having puppy blues after a few days of no success with getting her to go on the pads and constant biting and nipping. This lead to me feeling like we’ve made the wrong decision to get a puppy 😢.
Last night we created a pen for her, using an exercise pen, and her crate in side the exercise pen, and the litter pan adjacent to the crate as you suggested. It’s a lot smaller than yours because we live in an apartment, but she used the litter pan last night to poop and pee! The alfalfa must work wonders ❤.
I do have a concern for potty training outside once she is fully vaccinated, because we live in an apartment on the second floor. Do you have a video explaining how to switch to outside from the litter pan once she can be out there? Or can you please tell me how I should go about this? I am completely clueless and my husband and I are both first time dog owners. And I’m the only one with her 90% of the time due to him working. I work remotely and want her to be able to use the potty outside so I can work and not have to helicopter over her 100% of the day. Im so afraid that she will get used to going on the alfalfa and we won’t be able to take her out in time when she is signaling because we have to walk down a flight of stairs.
This video is this only thing that gave me hope about keeping our new puppy because she is so sweet and seems to be a quick learner, but the fear of not being able to get her to go outside after the litter pan is causing me a lot of anxiety. Please help 😢❤
Check Insta! I replied to you there. Check back with me if I can be of any further help. Thank you so much for the great feedback. We appreciated it!
Love all your videos. This works!! We are on our 3rd litter of Goldens and this has been the best tip. A huge thank you from Kelly’s Colorado Goldens!
You are so welcome! I'm so happy to hear you've appreciated this information. Best of luck with your little Goldens!
Pink / Gem has had zero accidents!! This method worked great!
Gem was THE superstar potty trainee - it took her one day to figure it out and she was consistent from then on. It's just so amazing they can figure it out when they are so young and tiny. Thanks for sharing her continued success potty training at home. Her name fits her well and will continue to, I'm sure. :)
So far your video is the best one I seen on training to potty on paper or in a tray
Thank you so much! That means a lot to us.
Great tutorial!!! And I’ve seen a lot to try this. Yours worked the best!!
This is so nice to hear! Thank you so much! 💓
I am going to try this on my 3-month puppy.
Good! Consistence and patience and it will work! Good luck and thanks for watching!
Wow you too Are awesome parents. Great set up a great job. ❤ 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽
Thank you so much 🤗 and thanks for watching!
same to you nice day and stay safe 🥰❤.
Love the barks
Trying your tips as a first time dog 👵🏻. My pups are almost 4 weeks. Started at a little over 3 weeks with the alfalfa pellets just up against the crate door. (Our house doesn’t have a lot of tile floor space). Do you suggest starting to move it further away from the crate door at this point? I’m waiting for a 5’x 10’ pet flooring to expand my space. Loved your video. Although I feel like I’m not doing the best at executing 😂
Hi Susie, thanks for the question. It's fine where you started, but I would suggest moving it a bit further as/when space allows. In the beginning it always feels like the execution of this plan isn't the best, but stick with it and you'll see improvement every single day. Keep it up! And thank you for watching.
works really well! Cheers guys!
Thanks for watching!
Love this video and content. Thank you for sharing. On another topic, do you start crate training your litter? If so, do you do individual crates or have a few puppies share a crate?
No, this is just a head start program. There is enough going on in their lives for the first seven weeks. Crate/potty training is left to the new owners and is significantly easier because of this program. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Wow thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I can't wait to try this! Our second litter is two weeks old and last time what I did didn't work too well! What size of crate did you use for your 10 pups?
The crate we used for the puppies was an extra large crate. It was the perfect size for whelping Labrador puppies. 😁
Thanks a lot, this is the best video I've seen. You explain everything so well
Thank you very much and thank you for watching!
I am trying to potty train my pup too. this might help out with her...
I love the random yellow labrador puppy
We did too, and just had to keep her. She is an outstanding dog and made it to the National Derby Championship at 17 months old. Thanks for watching!
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They’re so adorable and cute I wish they would stay puppies!! Lol. This is the first few times I’ve seen these trays and alfalfa pellets used but it’s a genus idea and makes since that it would be a pretty easy transition to go outside in the grays. Since it prob smells the same to them and is familiar. I can’t believe how fast you’re able to get them potty trained.
I could watch them potty and poop all day. Lol!😂 It is just amazing how smart canines are! Thanks for watching and commenting!!!
Hello!! I have been doing this for about a week with my 5 week old puppies and it have WORKED sooo well!! Thank you!!
Just today I got really scared when one of the puppies was chewing on a pellet and for a moment a piece got caught on her throat. Se passed the piece and is fine now, but many of the puppies are chewing on the pellets and im wondering for safety reasons if there is another way to do this 🙏🏻
Honestly I never had any puppies I any litter have that problem. Recheck how much/often you are feeding them and consider modifying this. They shouldn't be turning to alfalfa as food. That is the only thing I can come up with. Sorry that is happening.
@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you for your response!! They are more into pellets as chewing toys I guess... (although they have PLENTY of toys) they are still on milk from their mother, and also always have access to food, which makes me think they are not using the pellets as food. they love to play with them, and to jump all over the tray with pellets playfully. I guess I got a really playful litter!
Puppies are playful and sometimes mischievous little buggers. Lol. Sounds like you have it figured out. Good luck with your litter! 🐾🐾❤❤
Oh wow, I was going to try pellets to keep the smell down I'll stick to potty pads or newspaper!
@@TheRetrieverNation hello! I love this very informative video. I’m currently working with our litter of 4week old goldendoodles. Can you please advise exactly what type and brand of the pellets you use please? I’ve seen so many different types. I’ve also seen the Alfalfa wood pellets but read that those can cause problems if ingested by a small puppy. Thank you!
Thanks for all the helpful information. What would happen if I just used the litter without the puppy pads?
I only use the pads to transfer scent and establish it in the tray. After about 2 weeks I don't use them at all. So it's short lived. I do feel it helps for the reason I stated. Thanks for watching!
I use a small plastic kiddy pool from the hardware store and I cut a door in the middle always works for my litters! I've never used pellets sounds like a great idea to keep smell down so I'm going to give it a try!
Can u please tell me small animal alfalfa pellets or horse pellets?
Thx in advance!
Pools work great too. We live in MN and the basement floors are very cold in winter so opted for the whelping box with warming basin, but, yes, I've seen pools used with success as well. Horse alfalfa pellets. I guess I've never looked in the small animal section to see if they are same size but definitely you'll want the amount the equine section provides.
Really nice video 👍💜💚💛
Thanks!
This video was wonderful and very informative. We will be getting our 8 week old cavapoo in a few weeks and I'm wondering if using a litter pan indoors during the day while I'm at work and maybe at night but also using potty outdoors would work? Or should I stick with just having him use the outdoors. I love in a 2nd floor apartment and I'm putting sod squares on my balcony which will be his "yard" (until he's fully vaccinated and also when he needs to go at night) and was just wondering about the litter pan as a daytime alternative. Your thoughts? Thank you so much.
Thank you and how exciting...the anticipation of getting a new puppy is thrilling. I do think you could have success with what you want to do. We did something similar, but not long term and I'll share our process:
We kept one pup from our litter, but also 'puppy-sat' another from our litter for a week. To help transition the puppies to going outside, as well as teaching them which door I want them to go to when they eventually signal on their own that the need to go outside, I placed an alfalfa container in front of the patio door. I switched from the square tray shown in the video to a clear plastic storage tote, that was more rectangular in shape and had higher sides, just to take up less floor space. The taller edges are not a problem at this point, as they can climb in and out easily, and it holds the alfalfa better.
The puppies both knew to go in this box because of the previous litter pan training. Sometimes in the middle of the night, I could hear one of them walking in the alfalfa (the light crunch crunch it makes) and I would smile knowing they were good little puppies doing the right thing. After a week the one puppy left, and we transitioned the puppy we kept to strictly outdoors (we have 3 other Labs, and so we need them to all go outside).
Your new little puppy will have to learn to go to alfalfa to begin with. IDK what the breeder has been doing, so there will be a learning curve to the alfalfa tray method to begin with. But I do believe it can be done, puppies are really super smart. I also think you can then train to go outdoors as well which will offer you a sort of hybrid potty system. Brilliant. Good luck!!!
Thank you so much for that information! And it's great because my breeder is also using the litter pan and alfalfa! I love your method of transitioning to the outdoors. I think I may give my "hybrid" method a try just until he's gotten his vaccinations and can hold his bladder throughout the night, then we'll go 100% solely outdoors! Thanks again and many blessings to you, your fur babies, and your awesome channel! Keep providing such excellent content!
Wonderful video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing 👍🏽
Great video!!
Love this.. thank u
You are so welcome!
Thanks. LOL "Living on the Edge" I love that you have named each "oops" or funny try.
What is the height of your plastic pen that goes all around? I have Standard Poodles and I am struggling with what height to use.
The height of our pen was just under 27". This height allowed us to easily climb into the pen. I am not sure what height would work best for you, but if it is for poodle puppies I would think so. I'll attach what brand we used. We never used the little puppy door they show. If you watch my "raising a litter" videos weeks 1-7 I believe the set up of the pen is during week three. I''ll attach that playlist as well.
Weeks 1-7:
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Pen:
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@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you very much. That was helpful. I will review the setting up videos too.
Great job with the video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
What do you feed your puppies? Mine do not have nearly as solid poops so it’s been harder to scoop the pellets without making a mess. Works great though! More successful with poops than pees
We feed Nutri Source puppy formula. The potty success will improve too, keep at it!
You have great videos!
I'm glad you like them! Thank you so much for watching!❤️
Genius, wow thank you so much for sharing!!!
You are so welcome!
what a great video!!
Thank you!!
Thank you for this great video! Wondering, would something like cedar shavings work as well and be safe to use? Thanks!
Cedar shavings have been used by people but the concern there is if a puppy eats some it will not pass well and can cause problems. Although it's not ideal for puppies to eat the alfalfa either, if they did it would break down easily, digest, and pass. Also the alfalfa is the best option in that it is the closest organic material to grass which is the next step in potty training - getting them to go outdoors. Literally the transition is almost effortless and we've heard from many we send our puppies to that they've done so with zero accidents. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you
Do you not see a need for a grate over the tops of the pans? We have four lab pups almost two weeks old now and I want to stay ahead of the game on this!
There is no need for grates. You want the pups to be able to walk around and find "their spot" to go. This is an important aspect of their development. Thanks for watching!
this is a great video, thank you. was wondering how you suggest transitioning the puppies to going outside from this?
Hi Kelly, Great question. We placed a low entry plastic rectangle tote filled with alfalfa in the kitchen by the door. At night it will save you from accidents, you'll hear the crunch crunch and know they are doing the right thing. During the day, do you best to potty train as normal, by taking them out frequently (every 2 hours or so, and after they eat) and use positive affirmation of any success outdoors. They will be drawn to the organic outdoor grass. You can even remove the tote during the day and just use it at night once you are having mostly success. It works like a charm. Good luck!
@@TheRetrieverNation thank you. I have begun doing this with my puppies now!
Awesome video!!!!!!!👍👍👏👏😍
Thank you! I' so glad you enjoyed it!
I love looking at their paws. Omg. They look so cute pooping and peeing. So adorable. Omg.
I know! I could watch them poop all day. LOL
Thanks for this video. Can you offer any advice for the pups that are trying to eat the pellets? They are turning 4 weeks tomorrow and I'm terrified of the ones trying to eat them choking on them!
Pellets break down and easily pass. I would not be concerned with a puppy that consumes some, although it is not ideal. Redirecting the behavior of the puppy and offering more frequent feedings sounds like a simplistic solution but is probably the one that will work the best. If they aren't in the tray to do business (you can tell by the sniffing for location) relocate them. Soiling by others I'm the litter pan will also reinforce this.
This is amazing!
Thanks for watching!
Great video so are the pups left on own in crate at this stage over night is box closed at night?
Hello! Yes, the puppies are left on there own overnight. They have free roam of their pen and access the litter pan trays during the night as well. In the morning I find little tootsies all over in the trays right where they should be. There's the occasional accident but it's typically still nearby the trays. Truly, there is so much satisfaction finding a clean pen in the morning and realizing that these little 4-7 week fur balls are doing the right thing. It's precious! Thanks for the great question and thank you for watching!
@@TheRetrieverNation No thank you thanks for reply my Girl Sheba will be over the moon hearing such news 😀 day 18 today another week to go or so , God Bless 🙏
I've got a senior Chihuahua mix that loathes going on dirt or grass. We lost our oldest pup last year who'd become incontinent during her last few months. Unfortunately we discovered that it is nigh on impossible to completely clean laminate floors; the urine quickly seeps through the cracks and soaks into the under layers so even a year later our picky pup still makes use of the places our old dog most often soiled. She will use puppy pads but it's hard to keep the mess from leaking over the edges. Do you think we might have more success using this method? Are there any adaptations you would recommend? Thank you for the wonderful ideas!
That sounds like a tricky situation, and I can't say if this method would work, but comparatively it would be better than the present situation, so worth a try. It may require some "sent" training. In the video I explain moving lightly soiled pads from outside the crate to the litter pan in an effort to transfer where the scent is and instead to where it should be. You might try that on some of the areas you are referring to.
Also, I've not dealt with cleaning areas like you have, but have you tried chlorhexidine? (I'll attach where I get chlorhexidine below.) Good luck!
www.revivalanimal.com/product/chlorhexidine-solution?sku=27180-801
Hi can you please tell me the brand of pellets you use? I have a litter of puppies and will be doing this very soon!!
Here you go, and good luck!!!
www.fleetfarm.com/detail/standlee-alfalfa-pellets-40-lb-/0000000220923?Ntt=alfalfa%20pellets
Have you found the puppies trying to play with the pellets?
Not playing with the pellets, but occasionally trying to drag toys into trays to play.
@@TheRetrieverNation you are so lucky! Mine keep trying to eat the pellets :(
Well, on the positive, the alfalfa will break down and just pass through. But still not ideal. I've heard of some using wood chips, but those would not pass through. I'm sure you've tried redirecting their play to other toys and items. I wonder if introducing new toys would help? I hope this situation is temporary for you.
this is so helpful omg
Thank you! I'm glad it was! Good luck with potty training!
Could you tell me where you got your boundary pen from? I’ve been looking for something that size! Thank you!
Sure! I'll attach the link below. We were very happy with it.
www.petsmart.com/dog/crates-gates-and-containment/houses-and-pens/north-statesandtrade-petyard-8-panel-pet-pen-32438.html
I purchased rabbit gates at a local big box store for 12 bucks a pannel
This is a great video but I am in trouble here. I have 9 puppies that are almost 2 weeks old. The only room I have available is a very small spare room with not a lot of space for these pans plus sleeping and play area, it's tiny. I am also on my own so it's going to be a bit of a mess. Not sure what to do other than perhaps move all my furniture to the basement and set up the livingroom for their area
Don't worry! I'm sure you can come up with some creative solution! It can be done with just one litter pan tray to train, just know that with 9 puppies the area will get "used" more quickly. Just scoop it more. Best of luck!
@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you so much for your reply and vote of confidence and showing me it can be done. 😊. I have been listening to too much from others like those who used newspaper and mopped the floor 3 times a day. If you can get the pups trained early you should be able to avoid the poop storm. Thanks again
Yes! Avoid the poop storm! You got this! Keep us posted, we're cheering you on!
I see you pick up poo as they go but what about urine? Do the pellets clump do you spot clean or how often do you completely replace the litter? Thanks so much for this video it’s so helpful!!
Thank you! To answer your question: The urine just soaks in to the pellets and ends up breaking them down. I do not spot clean pellets, but about once a day or so will move the top layer pellets aside with the scooper and shovel out some of the broken down matter beneath. As far as completely replacing the litter, the timing depends. When you first begin this, you can go almost a week or even more before replacing. As they grow, you will recognize when you need to do this, as it will be more often. Their poops get bigger, but so does the size of their potty stream. It's almost cute, you'll hear it as well as it grows in 'force' ;) Hope this helps!
@@TheRetrieverNation I started 2 days ago and omg it is so cute to hear them pee as weird as that sounds lol 😂 they HATE how the pellets feel they on their paws, but they seemed to take to it pretty well. They’re struggling with poo more than anything. And see now what you mean as far as cleaning and replacing. I don’t know if I’m nose blind but there is not awful urine smell!!! I was previously training them to go on a fake grassy patch inside but OMG that thing smelled horrid! Which is why I looked for alternatives and thank goodness came across your vid! Would have never thought litter training was a possibility for pups! I just hope they will fully understand it only ok to go inside the house in the litter and not all over!
LOL, it IS cute to hear them pee, I agree!!! -- They'll get used to the feel of the pellets. Introducing different textures through their paws is actually very beneficial to them, as they learn so much through that sense of touch. I, too, appreciate the way the alfalfa takes care of the odor. I think you will have luck having them go 'only' in the litter pan, as they are naturally drawn to organic material. Best of luck in the upcoming weeks!
This type of litter with 1 dog should last approximately 3 weeks to 1 mo before you need to completely change it but you sometimes need to add a little as pee turns pellets to sawdust.
Does the size of the alpha alpha matter?I just bought smaller size of the pellets to my 2.5weeks old litter🐾
I don't think the size of the pellets matter. They probably don't make more than one or two sizes.
Can you use the real grass trays so they can learn immediately to go potty on grass instead of puppy pads?
Great question. This video is for rearing a litter if puppies. I don't think the "real grass trays" could keep up with a litter of 8-10 puppies as you will be cleaning and replacing "litter" several times a day to maintain cleanliness. Thanks for watching!
I need to do this
You can easily! Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching. :)
What kind of dog litter bed are you using ? Thanks in advance 🤗😊
It's just a wash machine 'drip pan' purchased from Menards.
Thank you so much for this. We have our puppies inside the house since it's very hot outside and there are adult dogs there. would it be okay to use alfalfa pellets for bunnies? We don't have one for horses and I want to make sure it's okay.
Also how much do you I would need for a litter of 8? I'm not sure because this is the first time I would be using this.
I would think the bunny alfalfa pellets would work, as the main point is teaching them to go in organic material that is similar to the outdoors. We had 8 in our last litter and used two trays that seemed enormous to begin with, but boy did we need them as they grew each week (poopy sizes too!). As far as the amount, we went through several bags. I'm wondering if the amount of the bunny pellets will cover the surface area needed towards the end weeks. You'll just have to see. I'll attach what we used. I purchased it at Fleet Farm, but I see this is an item that doesn't ship from that store, but maybe will from another supplier. Good luck! And thank you so much for watching!!!
www.standleeforage.com/products/premium-alfalfa-pellets/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0eOPBhCGARIsAFIwTs7zjo_PtpzF_lc759UcX7YLuCJ1Ot8nl2qIWyKEJecC3lqKpXyBKb4aAitxEALw_wcB
@@TheRetrieverNation Thank you very much for this. It works really well and I'm so amazed with the puppies.
My problem is I have an 8 year old dog that is sick and haves trouble walking and we moved from a house to a high raised building her heart is beating out her chest and today it took me to put her in a grocery cart to get her back upstairs to our apartment. If you can help I would appreciate it. With a reply much appreciated
I'm thinking you are wondering if an 8 year old dog can transition to litter pan training to eliminate having to take her outside to go due to living in a high rise.... I can't say for certain one way or another. My experience is mostly with young puppies. I'm sorry you are experiencing this, it sounds like a difficult situation for both you and your dog. I've heard of people using wagons for their not-so-mobile dogs to help get them outside when living in an apartment.
If you want to try the alfalfa trays I would suggest bagging some of your dogs poops and placing them in there to help suggest to her that that is where she can poop/pee. I can't say for certain it would work, but it's probably too much to try to get your dog, at 8 years old, to learn this without some helpful hints from you. Good luck, and I'm really sorry about your situation.
@@TheRetrieverNation thanks that very good advice, but yesterday she took her last breath, I found her on the floor in front of where I sit on the couch,
Hi why do you still have to put pee pads on top of the pellets? Won’t the pellets itself be enough
Hi, thanks for the question. Yes, the alfalfa itself is enough eventually. By laying lightly soiled pads on top during the introduction the scent teaches them where to go. Clean potty pads are placed just outside their crate, and as those become lightly soiled, I transfer them to the litter pans and new pads outside crate. So the scent is always being moved into the litter pan, teaching them that THAT is where they should go. By about 5 weeks of age the potty pads are not used at all.
Is that a washing machine pan that you're using as a potty tray? Thanks
Yes it is!
Hi everybody. I’m looking for feedback from whoever… I will adopt a dog soon as a first time dog owner. I don’t like the idea of creating a dog. I much rather have a play pen with a dog pan filled with cedar pellets or pee pads. Or if I were to get a crate, I would leave the door open. I am looking to adopt a dog that is already housebroken, not a pup. What are your thoughts? The rescue agency are all about crates, crates crates and it would be nice to hear another perspective.
I understand your feelings about crates, but one reason it is brought up often is that for many dogs it provides a sense of security and for some a feeling of safety. That you want to give open space such as a pen with litter box is wonderful. Maybe consider having a crated area along with it that the dog may retreat to? Check out this video for an idea of what that could look like: ua-cam.com/video/vCYzc2M3NZk/v-deo.html
Good luck!
Can you post the link for the litter trays you have?
Sure! I'm sending you the video that has all supplies linked in the description. 🙂 ua-cam.com/video/dVOjYX4BeI8/v-deo.html
How do you train the puppies to go potty outside? Do you place the pellets outside?
Thanks for the question. It is not necessary to place the pellets outside. The smell of the great outdoors (grass) will be enough. There are a couple of ways to transition:
We use a smaller tote filled with the alfalfa and set it next to the door the puppy will be using to go outside. You will hear them walk around in this. When they do, quickly take them outside. Also, just by taking your puppy out frequently (like every 2 -3 hours) will get them used to going outside. We use the tote for about 5 days. It was specifically helpful overnight. Some people crate their puppy overnight so the whining will wake them (puppies typically will not go where they sleep).
Another way to transition: The alfalfa can help transition but isn't entirely needed. Some families have had 100% potty training success by transitioning straight to the outdoors. Many owners from our most recent litter told us they had little to no accidents just by going straight to the outdoors. It's your call.
Where do you get the alfalfa pellets? Is that correct name for to look for ?
Hi Diane, yes, that is the correct name. And in the video's description I have a few links listed where you can find them. Good luck with it all!
so i bought PINE pellets for my wolfdog pups, currently worried if theyre making them constipated. should i be worried
I strictly use alfalfapellets for that reason. If they somehow do ingest it, it will pass through. I do not suggest pine.
Could you use bedding pellets instead of alfalfa pellets? I have horses who eat alfalfa pellets and with the rising prices I don’t really want to buy alfalfa pellets just for them to get peed and pooped on.
Hi Alyse! Great question. My answer would be: possibly? I haven't used bedding pellets, and my only concern is that you are speaking of cedar bedding for something like guinea pigs. I tend to steer clear of things they cannot pass through in case of accidental consumption, but I do hear your reasoning regarding rising prices. I guess there is no harm in trying something less expensive if its safe. I do know the reason they like the alfalfa is that it is very similar to outdoor grass which is where you will transition them to. Maybe the price difference isn't that great, and when the time frame is only about 4-5 weeks, maybe it's still worth it. I've found that Fleet Farm and Tractor Supply Company have much more reasonable prices for alfalfa pellets. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching! Good luck!
Thanks for the quick reply! I’ll definitely take all that into consideration, I still have roughly 8 months until I plan my litter to think all this through and figure it out. Once again, thanks for the insight.
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Help! I started litter pan training about a week ago and I have only 1 out of 5 puppies using the pan regularly. The rest of the puppies are peeing and pooping all over the “kennel.” Any suggestions?
Several questions need to be answered here. How old are they? How often are you physically in the kenneled area with them? Are they contained to a crate ever? Have you used lightly soiled pee pads to successfully transfer scent into the trays? Try to physically be with them as frequently as possible. By using a larger crate for them to puppy pile into as they sleep, you can intentionally wake them by saying Puppy, Puppy, Puppy and as they startle awake know they are going to pee within 20 seconds of being upright walking. Call them to the tray, physically carrying them to get as many their as possible. Do this frequently. Poopy: now that you are feeding them and they aren't nursing, you know that after they eat they'll need to poop so stay with them and watch for the cues: nose down, trotting off looking for the place to go, or even the hunched back just seconds before. Help them out by placing them in the tray. The process initially involves dedicated time on your end. They are smart creatures and will learn what you teach. But you must be the teacher. By week 6 things significantly improve and by week 7 almost all have it mastered if you've been there enough to do your part.
Love the dog litter box so far but it has created an entirely new problem. How do I get my puppy to stop eating the damn pellets. No amount of “noooo” will stop it. I can sit there and say no and fish 15 out of her mouth in a row and she will continue to keep picking up another.
Oh man, that's no good. We've honestly never had that problem. I know that canine's will not eat their own waste or urine, so possibly the problem could be there is too much fresh/clean pellets and not enough scent across the area to turn her away from that idea. I would maybe consider decreasing the amount of the pellets or size of litter pan (but you've already purchased it) in hopes of increasing the scent that is spread throughout. Since we began with 8-10 puppies doing this in the area, we had no problem with 'scent distribution' and never a problem with them eating them. Another idea is to switch to wood chips, but then you have to make sure she is not ingesting them, which is the nice thing about the alfalfa. If I had to deal with this, I would first try not cleaning the area as frequently and letting it get a little ripe with urine and poop to create an undesirable area. Then I would switch to wood chips but monitor closely. I'm sorry this has created a new problem. Keep me posted. Good luck.
Where can I find those trays?! I’ve been looking and that is exactly what I’m looking for but I can’t find that style tray.
Hi Heather, I've included a few links in the video description of where they can be purchased. Good luck!!
and how do you transition to go potty OUTSIDE??
Little pups have a very tiny bladder and they need to go out ALOT! Always get them outside after eating, drinking, playing and sleeping! You will be surprised at how fast they learn that outside is the place to "go"! Thanks for watching!
Would this work for the rest of a dogs life for adult life? For an indoor dog for instance
I can't say for certain, as we transition to outdoor potty training, but quite possibly. Dog owners situations can be different, so if transitioning to outdoor potty training isn't an option, or if this method is used as a back up while the owner is out it could maybe be a long term option.
I noticed that you say puppy puppy puppies with both feeding time and potty time. I’m nervous to start saying that so I started saying potty. Potty potty for potty time Lol . Do you introduce mush BEFORE you teach potty training ??
We say puppy, puppy, puppy just to get them to come to us. As soon as they are transitioned to the larger pen with the litter pan, we sneak in when they are sleeping (just before feeding) and call them towards us (we position ourselves right next to the litter pan) when they arrive, we gently help them into the pan initially to get them used to making it all the way into the pan. This happens before and during the intro to mush. Thanks for watching!
Can you tell us what alfalfa pellets you use.
Thanks.
I buy the alfalfa pellets in the Equine section at Fleet Farm. If you don't have that store try any feed and seed or farm store. Thanks for watching!
My dog eats alphalfa and wood pellets, can I try cat litter? She will use a pan in her enclosure but when she's out in the house, she will not use it. Help??
I cannot say if you should or should not try cat litter, as I've never used the product. Regarding using it while enclosed, but not when free in house...Is there a way to keep her blocked to a certain area of the house when you are gone so that she uses it? I think limiting options and space may be your solution here.
Hi there, I was wondering is it possible to retrain a puppy that is seven months eight months old is it possible to retrain them using that method you have the litter pan with the alfalfa. My seven month soon to be eight month old puppy had a terrible time chewing the puppy pads and I tried many different ways of keeping those puppy pads down is it possible to get her to use that method you have rather than go all over my backyard she has no problem going on the grass doing her business but she will not do her business when we go for a walk that itself I’m not sure what that is but she has that problem she won’t go do her business when we go for walks she only does it in the backyard. so do you think at this age she could be re-taught how to use that method you have? Looking forward to your reply and thank you in advance
I think it will be in the dogs nature to want to go outside and I think it's normal for them to want to go all over their yard - their established territory. I can see how the puppy pads would be a problem - even with my method, I have to remove them by week 5/6 because they are playing and tearing them up. The puppy pads are needed to establish scent in the tray and since you aren't able to use them, I think it'd be really hard for your dog to figure that out. Litter pan training is fine, but I think a dog that goes outside is most ideal and it sounds like you have that.
So they can walk on the poop and their litter paths and then walk on the floor in the floor in your house how is the sanitary?
I see your point, but a couple of things here: These puppies are 3-7 weeks old. They are going to be pooping and peeing somewhere. This contains it to an area. The alternative is that it would be all over. Also, this is not the floor in my house. This is a contained pen where they are raised until they go to their forever homes at 7 weeks. I clean and sanitize this floor a few times a day with chlorhexadine solution, so even though it is not perfectly sanitary, its the best I can do with 8-10 puppies that are just learning. Additionally, they actually do not step on each others poop. They are surprisingly smart enough to avoid most of it. And remember, cats of all ages use litter boxes, and even though they are not my preferred animal of choice, they, too, are clever enough to not step in their poop. And after using the litter box, Cat's walk everywhere in the house. --- I use this method for newborn puppies and when they transition to their new homes, potty training (learning to go outside) is learned quickly because they've been trained to go on organic material and their "new" organic material will be the great outdoors.
I'm sorry you didn't find the video to your liking. I hope my explanation answered your question. Thank you for watching.
So if you do this they will be ready by time 8 weeks come to go out side ?
This technique trains them to desire to go to the bathroom in organic material, alfalfa. Transitioning to the outdoors is then, very easy but requires work on the owners end. Puppies need to have the opportunity to go outside frequently. The saying is: their age in months +1. This is the amount of hours they can hold it. So at 2 months (8 weeks) they can hold it for 3 hours. So the answer to your question is yes and no. Yes they will desire outdoor organic material, no they are not potty trained, but success is right around the corner and completely dependent on you and your commitment. All the litters we've used this on owners rave about the ease, often citing only one or two small accidents before fully trained (keeping in mind the equation). That's a great success!
Where did you got those trays? I have one but I really like yours better.
Hi Steve ~ They are wash machine drip pans from Menards.
Where did you get these trays?
Menards. They are washing machine trays.
Could you tell me which litter you use? I can’t find alfalfa litter anywhere!
Look in the Equine section. Here is what we buy:
www.fleetfarm.com/detail/standlee-alfalfa-pellets-40-lb-/0000000220923?Ntt=alfalfa%20pellets
For those who have litter pan trained their puppies what do you use for a littler pan?
I attached a few links in the video description to where you can find them. :) thanks for watching!
My 5 and 1/2 old Boston Terrier puppy will poop in the litter box on her own, but she will only pee in the litter box when I place her in it and has a lot of accidents in my house. Have you ever heard of this behavior?
That doesn't sound like a fun situation, I'm sorry you are experiencing this. It sounds like she thinks the litter box is solely for number 2s. I'm guessing she probably established going potty outside of the litter box is acceptable, though you and I both know differently. My only advice would be assertive scolding accidents outside the box and using very positive reinforcement for success in the litter box. That, and basically re-training her. By that I mean, as soon as she's up put her in the litter box, because she should pee within a few minutes, and do this several times a day to retrain her so that there are no accidents ever. It may sound like a lot of re-work, but if you want success I believe you will have to invest this time into the process once again. Good luck.
what are y0ou using to clean the ground and why that solution?
Hi Jessica, thanks for the question. The product I use is Chlorhexidine Solution by Aspen. It is a 2% concentrate that needs to be diluted. The dilution calls for 2 TBSP Chlorhexidine per gallon of water. I mix it into an empty milk gallon and use that gallon to fill my spray bottle. The reason I like this product is that it states, Chlorhexidine is
"An antiseptic and antimicrobial disinfectant which provides fast acting activity against a wide range of microorganisms... (is) A non-toxic, non-irritating agent possessing a wide range of antiseptic and antimicrobial activity against organisms.."
Here is the link to Revival Animal Health where I got it. Like $13. Will last forever. Read what it says on their site about it too. :)
www.revivalanimal.com/product/chlorhexidine-solution?sku=27180-801
Can I work for puppies ages between 3-4 months? Can I use cat litter? Plz answer
This is strictly for teaching puppies to go potty in an isolated area of their whelping box. Incidentally, it also kick starts potty training and the desire to go outside with positive reinforcement. Cat litter is for cats and dogs are not meant to use litter boxes as adolescents or adults.
Hi, can full grown dogs or full size dogs learn to use litter?
Thanks for the question. I do believe so, though it's not a promise. The learning curve would probably need to be longer as a grown dog already has established behaviors. A consideration is the amount of stress on the dog to relearn a new method of where the appropriate place is 'to go' and how long they may hold it thinking it's wrong because they are used to going in a different place (outside for instance). That would be something to weigh out. Personally, for my dogs that know to go outside, I don't know that I'd put stress on them to retrain to a different method unless there was a really good reason to do so.
Where did you buy these liter pans?
At Menards. Like a Home Depot or Lowes if your area doesn't have a Menards. Thanks for watching!
Are they the horse alfalfa pellets?
I replied above. Thanks for watching and good luck with your next litter!
if you decide to keep litter pans for use during the night, is that ok?
I think you are referring to puppies older than the ones in the video? Yes, I believe you can keep using them as a place for the dog to go during the night. I've had comments from several people that choose to do this. Good luck! It's so nice when they go in the correct place. :)
@@TheRetrieverNation my puppy will be between 9-10 weeks when i get him. thanks for the quick response 🥰
will the pups try to eat the alfalfa and if so will it make them sick
They may. Ours did not. If they do, it will break down and pass through, unlike woodchips.
Can this work for a 5 month old puppy ?
It's worth a shot. We did this with our newborn puppies from 3 weeks to 7 weeks (when they leave our home), and used it as a transition with a puppy we kept until fully potty trained at about 9 weeks. 5 month old puppies, like yours, are still very trainable, so it may be possible. -The general rule for potty training is the puppy can make it their age in months +1. So a 5 month old puppy should be able to make it 6 hours without having to go out. If you try litter pan training, let us know how it worked out. Good luck! :)
How often do you clean it? As in do you deep clean and fully empty the palettes
Great question. Other than regularly cleaning out tootsie rolls we replace the pellets as needed. At first that means probably every 3-5 days we are scooping out broken down alfalfa and replacing it. As the puppies grow and their streams of urine increase in amount the pellets break down more quickly and replacement is needed more frequently. I will occasionally empty the entire pan, clean it, and fill with all fresh pellets because it just makes me feel like the place is clean and tidy. So, there's no strict rule on it, it's a go with the flow and respond as necessary. Hope that helps!