Fab interview! I really love how you let your guests complete their answers, Shehzad. My pet peeve with desi interviewers is that they tend to interrupt and complete sentences for their guest, but you are refreshingly respectful of your guests answers.
Good discussion. I still have hard time understanding who defines what are constant and un-changed principles of Islam? What are variables that must change with time? Is there a central authority who decides what are variables and constants in Islam? Whose interpretation of Qur'an is accurate? Or Is it open to an interpretation? If Quran is a word of Allah, why Quran has 7th century references appropriate to the Arabic society of that era, and not the principles that would stand course of time and that are omnipresent? Why God is fearful of being questioned by humans who are God's creation? If God wanted to spread the message of righteousness to humans, why God would need a mediator (Muhammad PBUH, Jesus PBUH, Moses PBUH)? I'm trying to understand these questions.
Many questions here. Your beliefs in the final analysis are between you and God so you use your intellect and conscience to decide what are constant and unchanged principles of Islam. For example Justice, compassion, charity, peace are unchanging principles but how these principles are implemented and practiced changes over time and culture. The important goal is to follow the spirit and intent of the Quran which is the Guide. There is no central authority because there is no priesthood in Islam. You may consult as many scholars as you like but you decide with your conscience because none of the scholars will bear the consequences of your mistakes. Your interpretation of Quran is right for you provided you do your due diligence. You are accountable to God for matters of spirituality no one else. And you are accountable to society for breaking the laws of your land. Where a country’s laws are unjust or the State tries to play God and judge your spirituality then it is up to the people to challenge and change those laws. Yes Quran is always open to interpretation as humans can only do the best they can with the information available to them at any given time. The final judgement belongs to God alone and God knows best. The reason the Quran is in 7th century Arabic is because it was revealed in Arabia in the 7th century. If it used the language of the 21st century with references to 21st century society how would the people have understood the message? Any book of guidance has to be catered to the immediate audience in mind. That doesn’t mean the principles cannot be extrapolated to all times as I outlined in response to your first question. God is not afraid of being questioned, human beings are afraid of being questioned. Umme Salamah, a wife of the Prophet questioned him as to why God only addressed men if the Quran was for humanity. And the response came from God with verses addressing believing men and believing women thus implying that whatever applies to men also applies to women unless specified. Why does God need Messengers? Because humans have a habit of making a mess of their society and we need reformers to remind us about our principles, our values and the Divine. Just my two cents - hope these help❤️
13:30 onwards, Akyol seems to suggest that God allowed slavery and concubinage etc as a temporary compromise with the social customs of the Arabs...Why would He do that?
I agree with most of what Mustafa says here, although when he says we should be able to distinguish between what's religious and historical and mentions the example of women. Now there are verses in the quran which no matter the context are deemed controversial. Now muslims do believe the Quran to be the fundamental truth. Some ideas that at this point in time are considered controversial are not originated from the quran but did continue to be the norm thru the Quran for instance slavery/sex slavery. I am more of an agnostic and see all religious history as fighting for the throne between tribes. It's our admittance towards these controversial ideas that will bring us into modernity. Great discussion btw you are doing an awesome job!
@19:30 Doesn’t that mean that Islam and the Quran (at least parts of them) are relevant only for the Arabian Bedouin society of the 7th century? Applying the Quran to this day and age have been disastrous for Muslims and others.
Shehzad I understand where you're coming from but there is a big misconception at large about Shias and who they look to as the center of authority and power. I advise anyone and everyone who doesn't know to not look at 🇮🇷 (Iran) as the example of who Shias follow. What happens there is nothing but pageantry (even the progressive Persians folk don't follow him). The reality of the situation is that "Yes" for guidance when it comes to matters of Jurisprudence there are the "Big Four" in Najaf, 🇮🇶. But they are not who we follow do or die which is exactly why in 🇮🇶 it's not necessarily full on theocracy per se cause you still have Irbil. But more importantly without a doubt the center of power and authority that Shias recognize is the 12th Imam in Ahlulbayt (The grandson of prophet of Islam, twelve generations apart) for us. Almost all religious Shia scholars acknowledge that the 12th Imam is exalted among them. Which is why amongst at least young progressive Shias you will find a conflict of thought when you pose the question "what Marja' do you follow", chances are they won't have an answer and it's not out of arrogance it's just the reality of the situation they are faced with. Thank you for this great discussion though I am impressed as always! ✔️
What an interesting podcast! Cannot emphasise enough that you're such a great host Shehzad Idk how you do it but you're damn good at it & you've grown substantially considering the format of a podcast which can be a tough audience to cater you don't clickbait or clip bait your audience you don't ask burning Questions to get a conversation heated you communicate with your guest in a constructive manner more power to you bruh.❤ On a lighter note we want bakchodiyaan back if that's possible
Thank you so much ❤❤❤ Koi mood nahee tha pat ab itna acha comment aya tha koshish karta hoon bachodiyan put together karnay ka. Also fully intend to clip bait. Just not getting the time to.
@@ShehzadGhias no pressure sir if you don't want to I respect that & love you for who you are❤ I have another idea why not go live with just you & your fans have a convo with us considering the enormous amount of knowledge you have it would bring so much value to us
I am very pleased that The Pakistan Experience arranged this discussion with Mustafa Akyol. I recently read his book. It ii is a great work. His presentation is splendid too. He is absolutely clear and very logical.
@@ThePakistanExperience He is a kinda troll. But I still feel both of his books are worth discussing, can definitely say that myself after having read both of them. Do consider.
Shehzad don't want to pollute his platform with the filth like Tarek Fateh! Woh Jaipur Dialogues(sanjay dixit) jaise chutioyon ke saath hi acha lagta hai
Excellent discussion. Wanted to add that justice by itself is not enough it has to be tempered with compassion and forgiveness which the Quran exhorts us to. An eye for an eye is just, but we must also look at the circumstances and intent and capacity for remorse and atonement before making a pronouncement. Practically every Surah of the Quran begins with God’s attributes of Rahman and Raheem (Mercy and Compassion) but we forget to incorporate it into our practice.
And what is in sunnah? Isn't the political system, carried out by our messenger (pbuh) part of it? How can such an intellect think Quran and Sunnah are separate, that sunnah is not part of "religion"? On what basis one can justify pluralism, secularism or any other"ism" to be on the path of Islam? Unless its the case of "صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ ". The laws set by Quran are no doubt the best in the interest of human kind. Yes muamalaat do change, but the core/And what is in sunnah? Isn't the political system, carried out by our messenger (pbuh) part of it? How can such an intellect think Quran and Sunnah are separate, that sunnah is not part of "religion"? On what basis one can justify pluralism, secularism or any other"ism" to be on the path of Islam? Unless its the case of "صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ ". Yes muamalaat changes but the basis comes from Quran and sunnah. May Allah guide us all.
@Siraj Haq You have a point. He can try: Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is well educated. I am well educated beyond phd but I dont think educated has made me any better than some people who are high school pass out! I wonder sometime how Hoodbhoy manages to stay well considering the general religiosity in Pakistan. Or may be he is well of so can live inside liberal circles.
Amazing content as always. I love shejzad khan and his contributions! You are an amazing scholarly person and I wish we have many more activists like you. Loving your content bruh!!!
"But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission." (Qur'an 4:65) "And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest." (Qur'an 33:36)
@24:40 Why did Muhammad lack that “aql”? Why couldn’t he feel the injustice in slavery? He was revolutionary in things like fighting idol worship, but he did not seem to care much about real things like slavery.
Someone said that he came on JP's podcast. So i saw that first and this later. I was intending to compare JP with you but i ended up comparing the guest's two versions. JP's pro-Islam energy seemed more anti-Sam Harris and Mustafa came across somewhat embarrassed/appologetic there. In contrast here he had entirely different body language. Very interesting to watch both podcasts in the same day. You did great tho, as always 👏
😂😂😂 I am not sure, but whatever this man is aspiring is currently really far from anyone's wildest dreams. Because 95% of OIC countries are not secular democracy currently, I highly doubt how they would achieve it. Anyway, I will always hope that OIC countries can slowly adopt secularism & democratic systems .
@@hassanshafiq3347 West doesnt have family values? Have you heard of something called as christianity? Hollywood is not actual representative. Also remember west gives you choice which majority uses to have a lovely family.
Thought provoking discussion but the guest tried his best to distinguish between cultural and religious traditions when we all know that slavery, concubinage, killing apostates, punishment on criminals, constant warfare on non-Muslims, subjugating women and minorities, etc. is all written in the Quran. Furthermore, many Middle Eastern historians have even argued that Islamic civilization actually regressed Arab society which was much more progressive in the 7th century
Please show me 'killing apostates' in the Quran. And the second half of your comment is bogus. Other than 18th 19th century orientalists, no serious academic makes that claim. Although liberalism is a plague on humanity and its not a moral standard for us, no serious liberal academic suggests that preIslamic arabia was more progressive as a whole.
There is nothing in Quran says killing apostate,blasphemy in fact the Quran advocates religious freedom and debate also there is no subjugation of women also Quran doesn’t call consistent warfare it only calls self defense also Islamic civilization didn’t hold back Arabs because Arabs didn’t have any civilization they were tribal intact the problem today with in Islam came from unreliable Hadiths and Arab politics.
Improved the lives of the slaves? I would love this guy to face Adam seeker in a debate. That will be juicy as f*** hahaha.. Apart from that nice podcast. Alas, neither of you got any authority over the millions who will much rather follow what's written in the texts.
People justify anything to justify anything😂. Religion is an illogical thing. So keep it like that don't try to justify anything because with the coming of Islam many communities that were better civilised had to suffer ,be it in terms of bloodshed , slavery, condition of women , culture , art or rule of law , some of this is still the truth till this day.
Quran is not revelation from god. It was the teachings of prophet mohammed born in a particular space and time. And he was one amongst the great teachers. Accept that and there will be less trouble within youself.
Individual conscious is dependent on what is learned from society from the environment. Its not Devine guidance. Humans need Devine guidance to ensure fair distribution of resources. Otherwise human intellect is selfish.
This guy is out of line...he is arguing against a quranic injuction, saying prison is a better option than cutting off hands. Does he not realize the effects of have mass incarceration? And we never got to mass amputation??? He has a bias for secular liberalism.
From 16:00 to 20:00 he talks about how Islam came to a certain time and even though it didnt abolish chopping off hands or slavery, it improved upon it (making it a better way of life), by that logic, since the modern values that have done away with slavery completely, and have improved the way of life further, they should be adopted.
@@ThePakistanExperience no, Islam was a better option then since it improved upon plight of slavery. Islam didn't abolish slavery, the movement that did it, logically must replace Islam now since it improved upon Islam itself.
The core problem with Mustafa Akyol is the fact that he has zero knowledge of the Prophetic traditions also known as hadith and their cohesion with the Quran. This is why the Science of Hadith is so important. This becomes apparent when all the examples he gives aren't backed up by the Sunnah and what the Prophet, his Sahabah, and the traditional scholars did.
He has all the knowledge. Its just that he is catering to certain audience. Otherwise to say that Quran doesn't advocate for inequality between men and women and stuff like that is idiotic. Basically he is an proponent for liberal version of islam. They portray somethign which most muslims in this subcontinent laugh at.
AHadith has no science. How authentic could some knowledge be if it travelled only through oral ways for 200 years? Only after 200 years of Prophet, Hadiths were finally stored in the written form; now tell me through what science can you call those hadiths authentic or science for that matter?
@Modič I don't see any argument against the science of Hadith here. Do share some concrete evidence before disregarding something that is equally regarded accurate and exceptional by Muslims and non-Muslims
@Modič You can have a version of religion and I can have my version. Unless we can convince majority muslims to accept our version, its meaningless argument. Majority Sunnis believe in hadith so thats integral part of the religion.
This channel is damn under rated. Certainly deserves more subscribers
Well done Shahzad 👍 for going beyond borders here.
I am just glad how you manage to bring such distinct minds from all over the world. It really helps to have a zaaviya, a perception. Thank you.
I watched this guy on Jordan Peterson couple of months ago now I am seeing him on Pakistan Experience !!! Great job Shehzad 🤟👌🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thanks Mukesh! Now watch it and tell me how much better I am than Jordan peterson 😅😅😅😅
Jordan Peterson is an idiot, Shehzad is not 😁
Peterson is a nutjob
Fab interview! I really love how you let your guests complete their answers, Shehzad. My pet peeve with desi interviewers is that they tend to interrupt and complete sentences for their guest, but you are refreshingly respectful of your guests answers.
I just finished reading "Opening Muslim minds". thoroughly enjoyed the text. so happy to see him on the channel here. keep up the good work
❤ What a pleasure listening to such well-informed and knowledgeable people speak on Islam! Thank you, Shehzad, for inviting Mr Akyol.
Good discussion. I still have hard time understanding who defines what are constant and un-changed principles of Islam? What are variables that must change with time? Is there a central authority who decides what are variables and constants in Islam? Whose interpretation of Qur'an is accurate? Or Is it open to an interpretation? If Quran is a word of Allah, why Quran has 7th century references appropriate to the Arabic society of that era, and not the principles that would stand course of time and that are omnipresent? Why God is fearful of being questioned by humans who are God's creation? If God wanted to spread the message of righteousness to humans, why God would need a mediator (Muhammad PBUH, Jesus PBUH, Moses PBUH)? I'm trying to understand these questions.
Many questions here. Your beliefs in the final analysis are between you and God so you use your intellect and conscience to decide what are constant and unchanged principles of Islam. For example Justice, compassion, charity, peace are unchanging principles but how these principles are implemented and practiced changes over time and culture. The important goal is to follow the spirit and intent of the Quran which is the Guide.
There is no central authority because there is no priesthood in Islam. You may consult as many scholars as you like but you decide with your conscience because none of the scholars will bear the consequences of your mistakes.
Your interpretation of Quran is right for you provided you do your due diligence. You are accountable to God for matters of spirituality no one else. And you are accountable to society for breaking the laws of your land. Where a country’s laws are unjust or the State tries to play God and judge your spirituality then it is up to the people to challenge and change those laws. Yes Quran is always open to interpretation as humans can only do the best they can with the information available to them at any given time. The final judgement belongs to God alone and God knows best.
The reason the Quran is in 7th century Arabic is because it was revealed in Arabia in the 7th century. If it used the language of the 21st century with references to 21st century society how would the people have understood the message? Any book of guidance has to be catered to the immediate audience in mind. That doesn’t mean the principles cannot be extrapolated to all times as I outlined in response to your first question.
God is not afraid of being questioned, human beings are afraid of being questioned. Umme Salamah, a wife of the Prophet questioned him as to why God only addressed men if the Quran was for humanity. And the response came from God with verses addressing believing men and believing women thus implying that whatever applies to men also applies to women unless specified.
Why does God need Messengers? Because humans have a habit of making a mess of their society and we need reformers to remind us about our principles, our values and the Divine.
Just my two cents - hope these help❤️
Great discussion. Thanks Mr. Khan, for bringing this for us. I came to know several new things.
I will have to read Mustafa Akyol's book.
13:30 onwards, Akyol seems to suggest that God allowed slavery and concubinage etc as a temporary compromise with the social customs of the Arabs...Why would He do that?
Largely Muslim world is frozen in times. It needs a radical reinterpretation to confirm to modern times.
From Jordan Peterson's podcast to The Pakistan Experience.
remove infidel and jihad concept from islam. also man made concepts of hell and heaven.
I agree with most of what Mustafa says here, although when he says we should be able to distinguish between what's religious and historical and mentions the example of women. Now there are verses in the quran which no matter the context are deemed controversial. Now muslims do believe the Quran to be the fundamental truth. Some ideas that at this point in time are considered controversial are not originated from the quran but did continue to be the norm thru the Quran for instance slavery/sex slavery. I am more of an agnostic and see all religious history as fighting for the throne between tribes. It's our admittance towards these controversial ideas that will bring us into modernity. Great discussion btw you are doing an awesome job!
Mustafa Akyol always has many good arguments.
Can you bring back syed Muzammil again
Thanks for this insightful webinar...
I was very confused in some issues but he made it very clear❤️
Let me know them
Thanks
@19:30 Doesn’t that mean that Islam and the Quran (at least parts of them) are relevant only for the Arabian Bedouin society of the 7th century? Applying the Quran to this day and age have been disastrous for Muslims and others.
Shehzad I understand where you're coming from but there is a big misconception at large about Shias and who they look to as the center of authority and power. I advise anyone and everyone who doesn't know to not look at 🇮🇷 (Iran) as the example of who Shias follow. What happens there is nothing but pageantry (even the progressive Persians folk don't follow him). The reality of the situation is that "Yes" for guidance when it comes to matters of Jurisprudence there are the "Big Four" in Najaf, 🇮🇶. But they are not who we follow do or die which is exactly why in 🇮🇶 it's not necessarily full on theocracy per se cause you still have Irbil. But more importantly without a doubt the center of power and authority that Shias recognize is the 12th Imam in Ahlulbayt (The grandson of prophet of Islam, twelve generations apart) for us. Almost all religious Shia scholars acknowledge that the 12th Imam is exalted among them. Which is why amongst at least young progressive Shias you will find a conflict of thought when you pose the question "what Marja' do you follow", chances are they won't have an answer and it's not out of arrogance it's just the reality of the situation they are faced with.
Thank you for this great discussion though I am impressed as always! ✔️
What an interesting podcast! Cannot emphasise enough that you're such a great host Shehzad Idk how you do it but you're damn good at it & you've grown substantially considering the format of a podcast which can be a tough audience to cater you don't clickbait or clip bait your audience you don't ask burning Questions to get a conversation heated you communicate with your guest in a constructive manner more power to you bruh.❤
On a lighter note we want bakchodiyaan back if that's possible
Thank you so much ❤❤❤
Koi mood nahee tha pat ab itna acha comment aya tha koshish karta hoon bachodiyan put together karnay ka.
Also fully intend to clip bait. Just not getting the time to.
@@ShehzadGhias no pressure sir if you don't want to I respect that & love you for who you are❤ I have another idea why not go live with just you & your fans have a convo with us considering the enormous amount of knowledge you have it would bring so much value to us
Thanks for a very enlightening talk
This Turkish guy is fantastic, love his thoughts from B'desh
This was really interesting and much needed, thank you!
I am very pleased that The Pakistan Experience arranged this discussion with Mustafa Akyol. I recently read his book. It ii is a great work. His presentation is splendid too. He is absolutely clear and very logical.
Amazing discussion....
quite insightful indeed
Brother please invite Allama Abdullah Tariq from india, he is very intellectual scholar,
Both of you guys are light :)
A very wonderful discussion 👍🏻
I would request you to invite Elif Shafak on Pakistan Experience as well.
Try having Javed Akhtar or Tavleen Singh.
From Pakistan, try having Tarek Fatah
@@ThePakistanExperience He is a kinda troll. But I still feel both of his books are worth discussing, can definitely say that myself after having read both of them. Do consider.
@@ThePakistanExperience Bhai advani sahab ko bula le sindhi hone ka vasta dekar nahi to, unko ko koi poochta nahi aaj kal yahan par
Shehzad don't want to pollute his platform with the filth like Tarek Fateh!
Woh Jaipur Dialogues(sanjay dixit) jaise chutioyon ke saath hi acha lagta hai
@@ThePakistanExperience Tarek Fatah is a troll, but not Rajouria!! Hypocrisy ki bhi Seema hoti hai😂
@@taha6233 How come rajouria is fine and tarek Fateh is filth?
Excellent discussion. Wanted to add that justice by itself is not enough it has to be tempered with compassion and forgiveness which the Quran exhorts us to. An eye for an eye is just, but we must also look at the circumstances and intent and capacity for remorse and atonement before making a pronouncement. Practically every Surah of the Quran begins with God’s attributes of Rahman and Raheem (Mercy and Compassion) but we forget to incorporate it into our practice.
And what is in sunnah?
Isn't the political system, carried out by our messenger (pbuh) part of it?
How can such an intellect think Quran and Sunnah are separate, that sunnah is not part of "religion"?
On what basis one can justify pluralism, secularism or any other"ism" to be on the path of Islam? Unless its the case of "صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ ".
The laws set by Quran are no doubt the best in the interest of human kind. Yes muamalaat do change, but the core/And what is in sunnah?
Isn't the political system, carried out by our messenger (pbuh) part of it?
How can such an intellect think Quran and Sunnah are separate, that sunnah is not part of "religion"?
On what basis one can justify pluralism, secularism or any other"ism" to be on the path of Islam? Unless its the case of "صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ ".
Yes muamalaat changes but the basis comes from Quran and sunnah.
May Allah guide us all.
where is download link? for his book
Really looking forward to this video :)
plus whatever he doesnt like he calls it weak hadith, all the while failing to mention any that go against his school of thought.
I wish Muslim psyche in Sub Continent moves in the direction of Turkish Muslims.
Turkiye 🇹🇷
Yes no thanks we don't support consumption of alcohol sodomites or any other haram like the degenerate kemalists who hate islam. Jahil
Karan??? That sounds like a hindu name
@@daniahmed7460
Actually he is
Very intellectual and informative 👏
Can you bring Harris Sultan and galib kamal
He caters to Pakistanis. He has to live there (alive).
@Siraj Haq You have a point.
He can try: Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is well educated. I am well educated beyond phd but I dont think educated has made me any better than some people who are high school pass out!
I wonder sometime how Hoodbhoy manages to stay well considering the general religiosity in Pakistan. Or may be he is well of so can live inside liberal circles.
great man i am his huge fan and u got him here
Amazing content as always. I love shejzad khan and his contributions! You are an amazing scholarly person and I wish we have many more activists like you. Loving your content bruh!!!
Does anyone know good books defending the prophet against accusations of being violent?
brilliant episode,Hopefully you can also invite ahmet kuru in a future episode.
a real intelectual. a democrat with liberal solid fundament. what a treasure to Islam
liberal solid fundaments and Islam! In one line!
"But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission." (Qur'an 4:65)
"And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest." (Qur'an 33:36)
Erdogan seems very much like Modi after listening to him.
Yes, all the bad effects that modi is about to bring. No one knows when they are coming though! Its happening, where when, no one knows.
@24:40 Why did Muhammad lack that “aql”? Why couldn’t he feel the injustice in slavery? He was revolutionary in things like fighting idol worship, but he did not seem to care much about real things like slavery.
Mohammed merely copied and pasted from Judaism and Christianity, adjusting to the then Arabic traditions.
#TPE 150 so that #TPE is created
Aoa shehzad please do invite mr Hussain haqqani, pakistan's ex-ambassador to USA
Wts up with you and moiz bro?
I don't think it is
Someone said that he came on JP's podcast. So i saw that first and this later. I was intending to compare JP with you but i ended up comparing the guest's two versions. JP's pro-Islam energy seemed more anti-Sam Harris and Mustafa came across somewhat embarrassed/appologetic there. In contrast here he had entirely different body language. Very interesting to watch both podcasts in the same day.
You did great tho, as always 👏
Am I the only person who thinks the speaker looks like Simon Sinek ? 🤔
😂😂😂 I am not sure, but whatever this man is aspiring is currently really far from anyone's wildest dreams. Because 95% of OIC countries are not secular democracy currently, I highly doubt how they would achieve it. Anyway, I will always hope that OIC countries can slowly adopt secularism & democratic systems .
Why do you have to follow any religious books just be a good human
What if you end up in Dojukh (hell). Its insurance policy against that, whose price someone else pays. Why not to subscribe then?
Also invite Edip Yuksel, please.
Is a 1400 year old desert cult compatible with modernity?
You mean the cult that promotes family values that the West secretly craves?
@@hassanshafiq3347 forced sex with the women you just killed fathers of sounds real familial.
@@hassanshafiq3347 West doesnt have family values? Have you heard of something called as christianity? Hollywood is not actual representative. Also remember west gives you choice which majority uses to have a lovely family.
@@hassanshafiq3347 lol
Thought provoking discussion but the guest tried his best to distinguish between cultural and religious traditions when we all know that slavery, concubinage, killing apostates, punishment on criminals, constant warfare on non-Muslims, subjugating women and minorities, etc. is all written in the Quran.
Furthermore, many Middle Eastern historians have even argued that Islamic civilization actually regressed Arab society which was much more progressive in the 7th century
Please show me 'killing apostates' in the Quran.
And the second half of your comment is bogus. Other than 18th 19th century orientalists, no serious academic makes that claim. Although liberalism is a plague on humanity and its not a moral standard for us, no serious liberal academic suggests that preIslamic arabia was more progressive as a whole.
There is nothing in Quran says killing apostate,blasphemy in fact the Quran advocates religious freedom and debate also there is no subjugation of women also Quran doesn’t call consistent warfare it only calls self defense also Islamic civilization didn’t hold back Arabs because Arabs didn’t have any civilization they were tribal intact the problem today with in Islam came from unreliable Hadiths and Arab politics.
Improved the lives of the slaves? I would love this guy to face Adam seeker in a debate. That will be juicy as f*** hahaha..
Apart from that nice podcast. Alas, neither of you got any authority over the millions who will much rather follow what's written in the texts.
Bring your adam dad to awaz e haq channels he has given open challenge.
But adam is not coming 🤣
People justify anything to justify anything😂. Religion is an illogical thing. So keep it like that don't try to justify anything because with the coming of Islam many communities that were better civilised had to suffer ,be it in terms of bloodshed , slavery, condition of women , culture , art or rule of law , some of this is still the truth till this day.
Quran is not revelation from god. It was the teachings of prophet mohammed born in a particular space and time. And he was one amongst the great teachers. Accept that and there will be less trouble within youself.
Individual conscious is dependent on what is learned from society from the environment. Its not Devine guidance. Humans need Devine guidance to ensure fair distribution of resources. Otherwise human intellect is selfish.
This guy just gave a bunch of opinions and thoughts. if he needs to convince people he needs to do it more academically.
@@ThePakistanExperience lol just looking at the comment section and seeing a bunch of hindu names agreeing with akyol. That speaks volume
This guy is out of line...he is arguing against a quranic injuction, saying prison is a better option than cutting off hands. Does he not realize the effects of have mass incarceration? And we never got to mass amputation???
He has a bias for secular liberalism.
Atheists represent, break down of his apologetics in the replies please.
From 16:00 to 20:00 he talks about how Islam came to a certain time and even though it didnt abolish chopping off hands or slavery, it improved upon it (making it a better way of life), by that logic, since the modern values that have done away with slavery completely, and have improved the way of life further, they should be adopted.
@@ThePakistanExperience no, Islam was a better option then since it improved upon plight of slavery. Islam didn't abolish slavery, the movement that did it, logically must replace Islam now since it improved upon Islam itself.
Shehzad @ 2:48 get Imran Khan out of your head. Its become an ego thing for you we get it.
@@ThePakistanExperience 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. It really isn't.
"Abay itna bitter na ho k chutyaap apna lo" - J.R.R. Tolkien
The core problem with Mustafa Akyol is the fact that he has zero knowledge of the Prophetic traditions also known as hadith and their cohesion with the Quran. This is why the Science of Hadith is so important. This becomes apparent when all the examples he gives aren't backed up by the Sunnah and what the Prophet, his Sahabah, and the traditional scholars did.
He has all the knowledge. Its just that he is catering to certain audience. Otherwise to say that Quran doesn't advocate for inequality between men and women and stuff like that is idiotic.
Basically he is an proponent for liberal version of islam. They portray somethign which most muslims in this subcontinent laugh at.
AHadith has no science. How authentic could some knowledge be if it travelled only through oral ways for 200 years? Only after 200 years of Prophet, Hadiths were finally stored in the written form; now tell me through what science can you call those hadiths authentic or science for that matter?
@Modič I don't see any argument against the science of Hadith here. Do share some concrete evidence before disregarding something that is equally regarded accurate and exceptional by Muslims and non-Muslims
@Modič You can have a version of religion and I can have my version. Unless we can convince majority muslims to accept our version, its meaningless argument. Majority Sunnis believe in hadith so thats integral part of the religion.