Great video. BTW, that channel on the back of the Doyle is for pulling thinner tape without damaging it. You run it over the top and through the grove lengthwise. The higher end Klien tools have it as well.
I agree, it is actually a minimalist design that does everything it should do without wasting materials or adding to the price. The other packaging is mainly for theft deterrence and display purposes.
@@debeerizthe bad news is you will never want to use the Pittsburg ones again after you use them. I’m not joking either. I have a pair and they are horrible.
I've got an older Klein pair of pliers and they're still holding up. My Klein pliers happen to be from the 50's, and they're still great! Thank you for this test!
I'm still using my great grandfather's klein lineman's pliers from when he worked for VEPCO, the rubber wore off before I was even born. I sure do miss that troublemaker, it's been far too quiet without him. Too bad I'm terrified of heights or I might've followed in his footsteps...
@@RedemptionGarage this was a nice comparison video, I agree with your assessment and pronunciation (technically the k is silent, but it sure does get my neighbor going when I say it with the k). Also, the kleins can be used as a wrench because of how the slot behind the jaws are cut. And I'd like to say that you've got a new subscriber.
Thanks for sharing that brother like i said I dont see anything wrong with them if they feel good to you and work for you. I appreciate you taking the time to tell us your experience.
Dollar store tools work for me. The number one tool in anyone's toolbox is always their brain anyways. Can't go out and buy a better one of those though. So I suppose some folks have to try to compensate?
@@tacsystems5621 Lol Eddie W was making a comical reference of the movie Billy Madison (starring Adam Sandler) where there's a character named "O'Doyle"
I have Klein linemans pliers, side cutters, and crimpers. They are easily as good as all my Kleins. I am amazed at how HF has went from a company of trash tools to an elite company in under 5 years. It seems like the reason for that is that they model their tools after the successful brand and ACTUALLY listen to the feedback of customers.
I have a set of Klein J20009necrtp they're trashed now that I bent the pin. This review leaves out one of the best lineman pliers the Ideal brand. Ideal can stand up to Klein or knipex any day. Before you blow a bundle on Klein and knipex you should give Ideal a try they're awesome just under rated and left out by most
The Klein is supposed to have a gap in the teeth near the top of the blade and anvil. As they wear in, the gap is supposed to disappear. The Klein is also supposed to be stiff to delay the day when the pliers start to wobble. At least that's the story from Klein. The Knipex has the best fit and finish.
If you like the fit and finish on the Knipex (good, no doubt about it) you should check out some of the high-end Japanese pliers. The KTC Nepros pliers are the most beautiful I've seen. They definitely put my Channellock pliers to shame.
Klien Pliers always require a long breakin period. Most will spend at least a day oiling and working the revit joint. Also i believe the Standard model you picked of Kleins are not designed for hard steel cutting. As far as Knipex they are totally in a different class of tools.
I can agree. We have a joke at work for the new guys with fresh tools to throw their linemans flicking there wrist, a good loose pair will knock and clack like crazy in the air a new stiff pair will go flying in the opposite direction lol. Eventually moving the handle kleins push the oil out like butter.
The Doyle are the only pliers with a fish tape puller. Its actually where the pivot is. The area you call a fish tape is just a gripping area. You can use the cut out area behind the blades to ream EMT and then the nose to ream inside.
You find yourself needing to cut nails often? You know they're meant to cut copper right ? I've been using the Quinn's (8.99) wiring new builds now for 2 years (came from kleins) couldn't be happier with their performance.
I suspect the Pittsburg flexed less because the lever arm length was shorter. The Doyle and Kleins do have tape pullers, they’re of a different design though. It’s a cam system, you even commented on the asymmetry on one side of the Doyle’s, that was the puller.
Lineman pliers do not have a fish tape puller unless that feature is listed on them. A plier with tape puller will have part of the area behind the rivet area cut out. The area you are calling a tape puller is just a general gripping area.
The fish tape puller is the notch built into the pivot area (better design) on the Klein. What you are calling out the “fish tape puller” is not... that gap is for blade sharping Leeway (can be used for anything I suppose) unless it’s serrated then it’s a multifunctional area.
Quinn is good for the average home use or as a back up. Doyle is better if you're going to work in a daily basis. The 20 Quinn plier set for 20 or under with coupon is the best deal in my opinion.
I prefer Channellock or NOS black grip Craftsman ( of which my local hardware has many left on the shelf ) for the quality at the price, but I could see these HF pliers serving just fine for people who don't care about COO. For me personally using a tool made in China or Taiwan makes me feel a bit shameful, so I try to avoid it whenever I can.
You totally missed one of the most important aspect of these pliers. How hard of a wire they can cut? All of them fail to cut piano wire without major damage to the plies except knipex. Being able to cut piano wire without damage to the cutter makes the price of the plies worth every penny.
You know they’re suppose to have that “flex” in the handles right? It’s for when you’re cutting down hard through something tough the “flex” somewhat absorbs that sharp snapping sensation you feel through your wrist and hand. When you’re a iron working making cuts all day that makes a huge difference.
Basically all these pliers will achieve the same thing and most people might not notice the difference. I will say that the pliers with that small gap in the teeth are real nice when using 16 gauge tie wire since the plier handles wont be wide open when using them. I have some beater Huskies that dont have that gap and they're wide open and suck to use. Channel Lock has a good pair Linemens pliers. Highly recommend those
I've seen the Doyle and Quinn both fail the Electrician's linesman pliers penny test (cutting a penny in half with one hand), I've never seen the Pittsburgh ones put to the penny test. The Harbor Freights brands are Not the only brands I've seen fail the penny test, Over the years I've seen Tekton, Craftsman, Irwin and DeWalt all fail the penny test. Brands that I've seen pass the penny test are Klein, Knipex, Ideal, Wiha and Greenlee
Rhe Germans are VERY clear on this...Its pronounced WITH the k, as in KIN-ipix...Also if its NOT chrome/vanadium or vanadium, its crap. FYI bought knipe groove pliers, had 25 teeth vs. channel locks giant sloppy 6?8?. and NO lock to hold size, a severe problem with all similar ones. I bought at lowe's , it was NOT the most expensive, less than 10 bux more than the Irwins. and LESS than the Ideals.. And soooo much slimmer, and lighter, man what a difference. i did do the pipe test, passed no problem. i also noticed that knipex linemans etc. again are NOT the most expensive.
I am a lineman and have a pair of klein and Doyle and knipex and I use my knipex every single day . I also have 7/16" and 1/2" deep well sockets welded on the ends of the handles and they get awesome leverage and can cut anything
Dude... I really enjoy watching all your videos. Your doing a hell of a job keeping me entertained. I used to be a in the field as a licensed electrician. I left the field 17 years ago and God willing I'll be retiring from my government job in 4 years and I plan on going back into the field. Please keep the videos coming and f$&k what a small percentage of may people may think. You've got a good following of people because your enjoyable to listen to and watch. See you again
Great review. You did a great job being objective and giving the reasons for your rankings. Keep them coming. BTW, I pronounce Knipex "expensive" with the emphasis on the "spensive"
The prices change a lot depending on where you are. Here in europe knipex is WAY cheaper than klein. I wanted to try some klein and channelock products but here they are expensive as hell. I guess that it makes sense, "local" brands are cheaper due to shipping and import taxes
Stiff linesman's that are had to open should be sent back. I'm a master electrician and having to try and open a stiff pair with one hand sucks. They are NOT supposed to be that way. They may loosen up over time, but I need them to work right as soon as I grab them out of my bag. They also make good hammers lol
I have few knipex tools like alligator, pliers wrench and side cutter they're great, but when it comes to Lineman's plier Its just Klein for me, I have the J2000 HD.
Doyle seem good but you can spend 23 at Home Depot for the Klein’s. For only a few dollars more you could get Klein so why get Doyle? Now the Quinn’s are made in the same factory as commercial electric but quin is WAY cheaper. If I was at harbor freight and had to choose Doyle or quin. Why get Doyle for $17 if you can get some Klein’s for $23. Good video!
I bought my first pair of Linesman Pliers at 13; Mastercraft from Canadian Tire. Similar to the Doyle. Got a free pair of WELL USED Channel Lock brand (they were smothered solid in a puddle of MDI (Gorilla Glue). "unusable" I dropped em in a Bonfire to burn off everything..Rubber & all. Left em cool in the ashes & washed off to find they still cut wire etc. just as well as before. They open & close perfectly. They are similar in appearance to the Klein. I have Klein Needle Nose, & had Knipex Cable Shears (someone swiped em) Cost $110. Now replaced with Channel Lock USA $40/45. I find the Expensive Pliers keep the Cutting Edges & Teeth the longest. Cheap ones to loan out to ppl who might walk off with 'em...
Knipex then Klein is exactly right. Really the only choice for the "New England" style of linemans. Point of note the Kleins are more expensive than Knipex in Canada.
In the 80s all the guys on the job had Klein pliers and tools. I still have my originals bought as the new guy at the company store all those years ago with the thick red insulators. I worked in construction for a summer job for a couple years. Today my Klein pliers are retired, has am I. I usually carry a pair of Doyle's when neighbors call to have something fixed. I cant imagine today leaving your tool belt alone for a second with expensive Klein or Knipex tools at a construction job. In Florida they would be gone in an instant. I also have a pair of Irwin 1902416 Lineman pliers. Their just a piece of Art for the tool box. Many Irwin tools with numbers like 19024## are made in Germany and are top quality.
I think the Pittsburgh beats the other in the package department, no landfill waste, better for the environment, that plastic will take a long time to disintegrate, and do you use the packaging, no you just throgh it into land fill.
great you show the looks of them, But how do they actually work. cut some different type of wire from soft to hard and see how they compare before getting nicks in the cutters, actually twist copper wire and compare the twists. actually, pull wire tape and see what works the best. who cares on how they look
I probably use linesman pliers for the wrong things. I don't use them for electrical reasons. I just use them as stub nose pliers and kinda like slip joints. For grabbing and manipulating metal surfaces and tabs on coolant spring hose clamps on cars.
@Redemption garage. You point out the the doyle pliers stick and you gotta manualy close them is a bad thing, then right after you open the klein pliers; They do the same thing, but you say its a good thing then. Seems kinda biased on my end...just saying....
I think you misunderstood brother i said it is a bad thing and only praised the knipex for being easy to open I most definitely wasn't being biased toward the kleins I actually wanted the doyle and quinn to win which i stated in the end of the video
Thanks for comparing these, interesting seeing the bottom end pliers up to top end. My favorite are the Doyle because of what you get for the money and easy lifetime replacement. If I was offered one for free though, it would be the Knipex. Great video.
Thank you brother I really appreciate it. I plan on doing a whole series of similar videos, including the next one that I've already started. I hope you will watch!
Unless you're a pro electrician linesman's style pliers tend to get pressed into other kinds of service in general shop work anyways. So features emphasized in this video may not always be so important. Often you just need some leverage to accomplish a task.
The Pittsburgh’s don’t have has much flex in the handle because the handles are so much shorter. Every pair of pliers is going to flex when the handles start getting that long. I use the Quinn’s for side residential jobs and they do just fine. The gap is not as big of a deal as you think because after twisting wire you usually cut off the end. But yes, you don’t want to totally mash your wire up. For work I use channellock 3610, 10” linesman’s and I’ll take them over ANY other linesman’s I’ve used in the past.
Just started the video, immediately, when comparing size difference, clearly they are not lined up properly. You have the smallest pliers notably lower than the rest of the pliers, especially the other "smaller" ones on the far right. You should have lined them all up equally on the white line.
For force to cut, the Pivot Pro by Crescent & Pivot Force by Gearwrench are the best. Meaning most cutting output force compared to input = easy of cutting. Check them out a Home Depot
i dont understand how the gap between teeth protects the wire, it was only true if used for fixed size of wire, otherwise any wire diameter bigger than this tiny gap doesn't matter at all. i think its just a marketing trick to make people believe technical advancement. I'm not a professional but from an Asian perspective I can tell you I have never seen any lineman using this type of pliers neither anyone have ever damaged a wire with normal (without gape) type pliers. I have used several high quality Japanese made pliers and have never seen any with gap. and they work fine.
@@RedemptionGarage thanks, I also believe that north american pliers are too heavy and large i mean 9.5" pliers are too much, mostly 7-8" pliers can also cut electric wires easily, I dont see any benefit. I can feel it because I recently bought Klein and compared it with 8.5" japanese pliers, I think Japanese are lighter and have fully protected handles and easy to work with. these kleins are like hummer more than pliers. Thanks again for the video btw. very informative.
How much money will all the companies save if they go to the packaging standards of Pittsburgh though? Most of us cut open the packaging and toss it so why have it at all?
This one one of my first videos before i figured out sound and video and how to actually talk to the camera my newer videos are better in a lot of ways.
Good video. Couple things I noticed though: 1st (just an observation) is that they all had some give when you compressed them. But the reason the Pittsburgh pliers gave less was there was less handle on them (and less area for them to flex). If they were as long as the others, they'd have given more I bet. 2nd is that there is a gap in the Quinn set, it's just very slight (check around 8:40). It could easily be missed and is still an issue for them. Otherwise, a good video and pretty fair assessment of these.
Ive been using the doyle for 3 years now and in comparison I've replaced them 8 times after getting blown up by coworkers and only paid 16.99 one single time. They get dull? Replace. Blown up? Replace. I tried milwaukee and they were trash. Tried justifying using klein? I CANT justify it because they cost too much to replace.
I have the Quinn pliers, I actually thought they weren't suppose to have a gap so when I saw my pair had 1 I thought it was a mistake haha I don't use them professionally or anything like that but they function very well for what I've used them for
They actually feel like decent pliers and will work in majority of the cases and if u dont need them professionally there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying them. Thanks for commenting and watching brother!
@@RedemptionGarage no problem man, glad more people are reviewing these pliers they are definitely a step above the cheap pliers I've seen from husky/kobalt as well. I also would check out the Bremen locking pliers
I am not overly impressed with the Knipex. I was a commercial electrician for over 10 years. I used Klein almost exclusively for one very specific reason. Klein pliers stay where you put them. The Knipex are loose and floppy. When working with electical wires, you want pliers that you have to open and close with a little force. I would take a punch to my Kleins and mark the center rivet when they would get loose to make them tight again. As far as cutting strength...if you only cut copper and aluminum, that isn't an issue with any of them. I would never used linesman's pliers to cut anything harder. I suppose you could punch the Knipex pliers to make them tight too but I'll stick with Klein...
There is nothing wrong with the klein pliers at all they are good quality. Everybody has their own preference and feel. Thanks for watching and commenting brother I appreciate it.
For plier patterns in general, Knipex and Klien are my go to's but when I'm in a pinch for an oddball pattern I know I will seldom use, HF Doyle is a big bang for the buck. Far superior to the orange handle pig iron garbage.
Kleins makes 100 different kinds of linemen’s which is ridiculous and it’s hard to tell which ones are the good ones. They should just make 2 at most. Professional and budget because I’ve always bought them and tbeee other tools but my latest linemen’s I paid $45 for and don’t like them
Throw some channel locks in there. Barely more expensive than the Doyle and made in the USA. How do they compare to the Taiwan Doyle and the more expensive USA Kleins
Fiercely made in Meadville PA! My main set of pliers is all Channellock. They're good enough for me. I don't need none of them Nazi tools for what I do. I ain't trying to take the world over or anything here.
I would be happy to use the american made tools if they were the best quality however knipex is just better so i will go with them for now. Maybe klein will innovate and make something on par with or better than knipex. also the nazis have been out of power in germany for quite some time now.
@@jonshaffer5793 junk? If you can't manage using American tools then that says more about you than the tools. Because they work for everyone else that can work.
The amount of flex when you squeeze them probably isn't the best comparison for linesman pliers... they have a gap built-in so they should Flex.... if you want a larger Gap they should Flex more smaller gap which would be bad... I want my linesman pliers to have some stiction especially if I'm grabbing something im putting pressure on the tape and I'm pulling it by the handle I don't want it to be loose and fly open....I want it to hold shut ... I'm not worried about something leaving a mark on the blade whether or not it chips the blade is the issue leaving a mark on metal while cutting metal is nothing ....I would take the Doyle or Quinn and throw them in a bag for on the road car tools. . Emergency tool kits for just in case... for a few more bucks the Klien or the Knipex would be at the house or the shop....
Do you breathe heavy or is the mic too close to your mouth? PS flex is good - metal pliability reduces levels of breakage along unexpected metal grain, for lack of better words.
Klein are better for use over long term and your pliers should! be stiff that is a win for Klein when your using these all the time you want them to stay open just long enough to get your wires in them. And you save a few bucks compared to the knipex with the Klein but they are expensive compared to the rest of the brands I know Klein are the best because I’ve used them all. The bonus is they are made in he USA.
I would agree with you if Knipex was an english word but it is a German word so pronunciation may be different. I do too though lol thanks for watching and giving your input brother.
Great video. BTW, that channel on the back of the Doyle is for pulling thinner tape without damaging it. You run it over the top and through the grove lengthwise. The higher end Klien tools have it as well.
Thanks for watching and commenting red beard. And I have figured that out now but didn't know at the time of making this. I appreciate you brother.
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Fish tape.
Actually it’s for a fish tape.
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in my view the pittsburg are the packaging winners
Definitely. The quality of that tag easily adds $10 to the price of the tool.
@@aeromedical6750 and you dont need to use another tool to get at the tool you want to use
I use my Klein’s and I love them
I agree, it is actually a minimalist design that does everything it should do without wasting materials or adding to the price. The other packaging is mainly for theft deterrence and display purposes.
@@debeerizthe bad news is you will never want to use the Pittsburg ones again after you use them.
I’m not joking either. I have a pair and they are horrible.
I've got an older Klein pair of pliers and they're still holding up. My Klein pliers happen to be from the 50's, and they're still great! Thank you for this test!
I'm still using my great grandfather's klein lineman's pliers from when he worked for VEPCO, the rubber wore off before I was even born. I sure do miss that troublemaker, it's been far too quiet without him. Too bad I'm terrified of heights or I might've followed in his footsteps...
That's an awesome story man! Thanks for sharing
@@RedemptionGarage this was a nice comparison video, I agree with your assessment and pronunciation (technically the k is silent, but it sure does get my neighbor going when I say it with the k). Also, the kleins can be used as a wrench because of how the slot behind the jaws are cut. And I'd like to say that you've got a new subscriber.
@@blargkliggle1121 glad to have you brother. Thanks a lot i appreciate it.
used the Quinn's professionally for a year or so now , not a single issue at all they work great
Thanks for sharing that brother like i said I dont see anything wrong with them if they feel good to you and work for you. I appreciate you taking the time to tell us your experience.
I used Quinn pliers for a building job and they worked great for me. I actually preferred them over the Doyle.
once you've handled anything from Knipex in the plier department, anything else feels like dollar store pliers.
Dollar store tools work for me. The number one tool in anyone's toolbox is always their brain anyways. Can't go out and buy a better one of those though. So I suppose some folks have to try to compensate?
I completely agree with you, I gave away all my pliers and got nothing but Knipex.
@@ovenman2004 you're goofy.
@@1pcfred so your brain tells you to buy shitty tools and beat the shit out of your hands and wrists as a result and everyone else is stupid. got it.
I have knipex pliers but i personally much prefer snap on pliers...i do like the cobrad and pliers wrench alotttt tho...
I’ve used Klein tools professionally for over 27 years. I stand behind them 💯%
Knipex is the best. Love them. Especially the cobras and pliers wrench.
Not really knipex is only good if you’re planning to use it for one year
O Doyle rules
Eddie W what are you talking about? I know that’s bull. I’ve been using it professionally for 15 years but I’m curious as to why you would say that?
Eddie W really? Doyle Over kinpex. WOW
@@tacsystems5621 Lol Eddie W was making a comical reference of the movie Billy Madison (starring Adam Sandler) where there's a character named "O'Doyle"
I have Klein linemans pliers, side cutters, and crimpers. They are easily as good as all my Kleins. I am amazed at how HF has went from a company of trash tools to an elite company in under 5 years. It seems like the reason for that is that they model their tools after the successful brand and ACTUALLY listen to the feedback of customers.
I have a set of Klein J20009necrtp they're trashed now that I bent the pin. This review leaves out one of the best lineman pliers the Ideal brand. Ideal can stand up to Klein or knipex any day. Before you blow a bundle on Klein and knipex you should give Ideal a try they're awesome just under rated and left out by most
The Klein is supposed to have a gap in the teeth near the top of the blade and anvil. As they wear in, the gap is supposed to disappear. The Klein is also supposed to be stiff to delay the day when the pliers start to wobble. At least that's the story from Klein. The Knipex has the best fit and finish.
If you like the fit and finish on the Knipex (good, no doubt about it) you should check out some of the high-end Japanese pliers. The KTC Nepros pliers are the most beautiful I've seen. They definitely put my Channellock pliers to shame.
My klein tools were recently stolen and ive decided to go with all Milwaukee pliers. 3 months in of daily abuse, they're pretty good so far.
As a Network technician, pittsburgh linesman pliers are perfect for cutting cables like cat 6
Great review and comparison of these lineman pliers! I learned a few things too, which is always good. Thanks.
Thank you brother
I followed the link from Red Beard, and glad I did. Good, informative review. Thanks.
He's a really good guy and has a great channel. Thank you I really appreciate it.
Klien Pliers always require a long breakin period. Most will spend at least a day oiling and working the revit joint.
Also i believe the Standard model you picked of Kleins are not designed for hard steel cutting.
As far as Knipex they are totally in a different class of tools.
You are right buddy and I agree.
I can agree. We have a joke at work for the new guys with fresh tools to throw their linemans flicking there wrist, a good loose pair will knock and clack like crazy in the air a new stiff pair will go flying in the opposite direction lol. Eventually moving the handle kleins push the oil out like butter.
The Doyle are the only pliers with a fish tape puller. Its actually where the pivot is. The area you call a fish tape is just a gripping area. You can use the cut out area behind the blades to ream EMT and then the nose to ream inside.
Thanks for pointing that out brother i appreciate it
You find yourself needing to cut nails often? You know they're meant to cut copper right ?
I've been using the Quinn's (8.99) wiring new builds now for 2 years (came from kleins) couldn't be happier with their performance.
I suspect the Pittsburg flexed less because the lever arm length was shorter. The Doyle and Kleins do have tape pullers, they’re of a different design though. It’s a cam system, you even commented on the asymmetry on one side of the Doyle’s, that was the puller.
Lineman pliers do not have a fish tape puller unless that feature is listed on them. A plier with tape puller will have part of the area behind the rivet area cut out. The area you are calling a tape puller is just a general gripping area.
The fish tape puller is the notch built into the pivot area (better design) on the Klein. What you are calling out the “fish tape puller” is not... that gap is for blade sharping Leeway (can be used for anything I suppose) unless it’s serrated then it’s a multifunctional area.
I am aware of that now i made a mistake then thank you for pointing that out i appreciate it and you for watching
Quinn is good for the average home use or as a back up. Doyle is better if you're going to work in a daily basis. The 20 Quinn plier set for 20 or under with coupon is the best deal in my opinion.
I prefer Channellock or NOS black grip Craftsman ( of which my local hardware has many left on the shelf ) for the quality at the price, but I could see these HF pliers serving just fine for people who don't care about COO.
For me personally using a tool made in China or Taiwan makes me feel a bit shameful, so I try to avoid it whenever I can.
I can understand that brother thanks for watching!
Knipex all the way for me!
The back end of the doyle's (the gap you mentioned) is actually the fishtape puller slot. THe fishtape falls parallel behind the lap joint.
You totally missed one of the most important aspect of these pliers. How hard of a wire they can cut?
All of them fail to cut piano wire without major damage to the plies except knipex. Being able to cut piano wire without damage to the cutter makes the price of the plies worth every penny.
You know they’re suppose to have that “flex” in the handles right? It’s for when you’re cutting down hard through something tough the “flex” somewhat absorbs that sharp snapping sensation you feel through your wrist and hand. When you’re a iron working making cuts all day that makes a huge difference.
Basically all these pliers will achieve the same thing and most people might not notice the difference. I will say that the pliers with that small gap in the teeth are real nice when using 16 gauge tie wire since the plier handles wont be wide open when using them. I have some beater Huskies that dont have that gap and they're wide open and suck to use. Channel Lock has a good pair Linemens pliers. Highly recommend those
I've seen the Doyle and Quinn both fail the Electrician's linesman pliers penny test (cutting a penny in half with one hand), I've never seen the Pittsburgh ones put to the penny test. The Harbor Freights brands are Not the only brands I've seen fail the penny test, Over the years I've seen Tekton, Craftsman, Irwin and DeWalt all fail the penny test. Brands that I've seen pass the penny test are Klein, Knipex, Ideal, Wiha and Greenlee
Rhe Germans are VERY clear on this...Its pronounced WITH the k, as in KIN-ipix...Also if its NOT chrome/vanadium or vanadium, its crap. FYI bought knipe groove pliers, had 25 teeth vs. channel locks giant sloppy 6?8?. and NO lock to hold size, a severe problem with all similar ones. I bought at lowe's , it was NOT the most expensive, less than 10 bux more than the Irwins. and LESS than the Ideals.. And soooo much slimmer, and lighter, man what a difference. i did do the pipe test, passed no problem. i also noticed that knipex linemans etc. again are NOT the most expensive.
I am a lineman and have a pair of klein and Doyle and knipex and I use my knipex every single day . I also have 7/16" and 1/2" deep well sockets welded on the ends of the handles and they get awesome leverage and can cut anything
The best for the money are the Doyle.
10 bucks more you can get the kleins and those are way better pliers
Dude... I really enjoy watching all your videos. Your doing a hell of a job keeping me entertained. I used to be a in the field as a licensed electrician. I left the field 17 years ago and God willing I'll be retiring from my government job in 4 years and I plan on going back into the field. Please keep the videos coming and f$&k what a small percentage of may people may think. You've got a good following of people because your enjoyable to listen to and watch. See you again
Great review. You did a great job being objective and giving the reasons for your rankings. Keep them coming. BTW, I pronounce Knipex "expensive" with the emphasis on the "spensive"
Lol that is probably the real pronunciation 😂... thank you brother i really appreciate it
The prices change a lot depending on where you are. Here in europe knipex is WAY cheaper than klein. I wanted to try some klein and channelock products but here they are expensive as hell. I guess that it makes sense, "local" brands are cheaper due to shipping and import taxes
Very good video brother!!!! I enjoy thanks. For show us the difference en this brands
Thank you brother
Both the Quinn 7" diagnol and the Doyle diagnol work just as good as the Stanley and Craftsman I have..
I hate that packaging that the 3 of those used, my favorite is when you buy a pair of scissors in that packaging that you need scissors to open.
I see your channel is growing very fast, keep up the good work I hope to see your channel go far.
Man I really appreciate that. I'm just going to try to do better every video and have some fun.
I am an electrician and I use the Milwaukee 9" 6 in 1 lineman pliers and they are fantastic
I have heard good things about them but haven't had the opportunity to use them. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great interesting video ! I wish you had added a Husky and Craftsman pliers to that group.
The Craftsman suck you should get Chanellock instead if money is an issue
That cut out area in the Doyle's is the fishtape puller, u run it thru them close and pull
Thanks for the feedback brother I appreciate it.
No problem
Stiff linesman's that are had to open should be sent back. I'm a master electrician and having to try and open a stiff pair with one hand sucks. They are NOT supposed to be that way. They may loosen up over time, but I need them to work right as soon as I grab them out of my bag. They also make good hammers lol
I have few knipex tools like alligator, pliers wrench and side cutter they're great, but when it comes to Lineman's plier Its just Klein for me, I have the J2000 HD.
Sir would you consider Southwire and Ideal pliers on your next reviews?
Doyle seem good but you can spend 23 at Home Depot for the Klein’s. For only a few dollars more you could get Klein so why get Doyle? Now the Quinn’s are made in the same factory as commercial electric but quin is WAY cheaper. If I was at harbor freight and had to choose Doyle or quin. Why get Doyle for $17 if you can get some Klein’s for $23. Good video!
I agree! Thanks for watching and commenting Richard.
I bought my first pair of Linesman Pliers at 13; Mastercraft from Canadian Tire. Similar to the Doyle. Got a free pair of WELL USED Channel Lock brand (they were smothered solid in a puddle of MDI (Gorilla Glue). "unusable" I dropped em in a Bonfire to burn off everything..Rubber & all. Left em cool in the ashes & washed off to find they still cut wire etc. just as well as before. They open & close perfectly. They are similar in appearance to the Klein. I have Klein Needle Nose, & had Knipex Cable Shears (someone swiped em) Cost $110. Now replaced with Channel Lock USA $40/45. I find the Expensive Pliers keep the Cutting Edges & Teeth the longest. Cheap ones to loan out to ppl who might walk off with 'em...
Knipex then Klein is exactly right. Really the only choice for the "New England" style of linemans. Point of note the Kleins are more expensive than Knipex in Canada.
In the 80s all the guys on the job had Klein pliers and tools. I still have my originals bought as the new guy at the company store all those years ago with the thick red insulators. I worked in construction for a summer job for a couple years. Today my Klein pliers are retired, has am I. I usually carry a pair of Doyle's when neighbors call to have something fixed. I cant imagine today leaving your tool belt alone for a second with expensive Klein or Knipex tools at a construction job. In Florida they would be gone in an instant. I also have a pair of Irwin 1902416 Lineman pliers. Their just a piece of Art for the tool box. Many Irwin tools with numbers like 19024## are made in Germany and are top quality.
Knipex for the win. I have a bunch of their stuff and their smooth jaw pliers are one of my favorite tools
I think the Pittsburgh beats the other in the package department, no landfill waste, better for the environment, that plastic will take a long time to disintegrate, and do you use the packaging, no you just throgh it into land fill.
I have 3 klein plier d213, hd213 and j2000-9necrtp. Planing to buy knipex for a try.
There is different models of Klein you pick with the taper
This. My E6 kliens are specifically meant for fish tape. I think E10s as shown are for crimping
great you show the looks of them, But how do they actually work. cut some different type of wire from soft to hard and see how they compare before getting nicks in the cutters, actually twist copper wire and compare the twists. actually, pull wire tape and see what works the best. who cares on how they look
Thanks for the tips man
I probably use linesman pliers for the wrong things. I don't use them for electrical reasons. I just use them as stub nose pliers and kinda like slip joints. For grabbing and manipulating metal surfaces and tabs on coolant spring hose clamps on cars.
Very thorough video reviewing linesman plier quality. Thank you.
@Redemption garage. You point out the the doyle pliers stick and you gotta manualy close them is a bad thing, then right after you open the klein pliers; They do the same thing, but you say its a good thing then. Seems kinda biased on my end...just saying....
I think you misunderstood brother i said it is a bad thing and only praised the knipex for being easy to open I most definitely wasn't being biased toward the kleins I actually wanted the doyle and quinn to win which i stated in the end of the video
Redemption Garage naw man you were neing hard on the doyles for sure
"they're all lined up perfectly". there's literally a line on your cleaning mat that shows they're not
that hollow space on the doyle pliers is the fishtape puller lol
Thanks for comparing these, interesting seeing the bottom end pliers up to top end. My favorite are the Doyle because of what you get for the money and easy lifetime replacement. If I was offered one for free though, it would be the Knipex. Great video.
Thank you brother I really appreciate it. I plan on doing a whole series of similar videos, including the next one that I've already started. I hope you will watch!
Unless you're a pro electrician linesman's style pliers tend to get pressed into other kinds of service in general shop work anyways. So features emphasized in this video may not always be so important. Often you just need some leverage to accomplish a task.
I've tried most of them but prefer knippex over even the snap on. The Klein's are good too I've not used the Doyle's yet though
I save everyone some time the 9" knipex is the best. U want put cutters too the test. Cut 5/32 stainless wire and the good cutter will stand out quick
The Pittsburgh’s don’t have has much flex in the handle because the handles are so much shorter. Every pair of pliers is going to flex when the handles start getting that long. I use the Quinn’s for side residential jobs and they do just fine. The gap is not as big of a deal as you think because after twisting wire you usually cut off the end. But yes, you don’t want to totally mash your wire up. For work I use channellock 3610, 10” linesman’s and I’ll take them over ANY other linesman’s I’ve used in the past.
I have never tried them. Yes they were a lot shorter and you are right.
Just started the video, immediately, when comparing size difference, clearly they are not lined up properly. You have the smallest pliers notably lower than the rest of the pliers, especially the other "smaller" ones on the far right. You should have lined them all up equally on the white line.
For force to cut, the Pivot Pro by Crescent & Pivot Force by Gearwrench are the best. Meaning most cutting output force compared to input = easy of cutting. Check them out a Home Depot
I will brother thanks for watching!
i dont understand how the gap between teeth protects the wire, it was only true if used for fixed size of wire, otherwise any wire diameter bigger than this tiny gap doesn't matter at all. i think its just a marketing trick to make people believe technical advancement. I'm not a professional but from an Asian perspective I can tell you I have never seen any lineman using this type of pliers neither anyone have ever damaged a wire with normal (without gape) type pliers. I have used several high quality Japanese made pliers and have never seen any with gap. and they work fine.
You know I have to agree with you. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@RedemptionGarage thanks, I also believe that north american pliers are too heavy and large i mean 9.5" pliers are too much, mostly 7-8" pliers can also cut electric wires easily, I dont see any benefit. I can feel it because I recently bought Klein and compared it with 8.5" japanese pliers, I think Japanese are lighter and have fully protected handles and easy to work with. these kleins are like hummer more than pliers. Thanks again for the video btw. very informative.
I've only used klein and some old school Craftsman linemans I've heard a lot of people say good things about kniepx but never used any
I have the klein and it didn't take me long at all to break them in. They're great. I wouldn't use a different pair for nothing.
Klein is great also but Knipex is my go to
Them kleins are not lined up right. Lay them all along the line on your pad. U can clearly see the kleins are up a little next to the Doyle's
They were not lined up on camera but from how i had to stand at an angle they were lined straight from my point of view
No Channellock linesman pliers?
Doyle are supposed to be the same as Mac. I did grab a pair of needle nose, but haven’t used Mac pliers. Any thoughts on that?
Pull handles apart to open Klein packaging
How much money will all the companies save if they go to the packaging standards of Pittsburgh though? Most of us cut open the packaging and toss it so why have it at all?
O and can I request my Tekton review. Those tools really catch my attention. I'm currently purchasing that line. Thanks
my left headphones enjoyed this video.
This one one of my first videos before i figured out sound and video and how to actually talk to the camera my newer videos are better in a lot of ways.
Klein and knipex is around 60CAD here in Canada which is not fair even by applying the exchange rate 😏 tnx for video
Does this guy not know that you're only supposed to cut copper with lineman pliers 😆
Good video. Couple things I noticed though: 1st (just an observation) is that they all had some give when you compressed them. But the reason the Pittsburgh pliers gave less was there was less handle on them (and less area for them to flex). If they were as long as the others, they'd have given more I bet. 2nd is that there is a gap in the Quinn set, it's just very slight (check around 8:40). It could easily be missed and is still an issue for them. Otherwise, a good video and pretty fair assessment of these.
Thanks for your input!
Ive been using the doyle for 3 years now and in comparison I've replaced them 8 times after getting blown up by coworkers and only paid 16.99 one single time. They get dull? Replace. Blown up? Replace. I tried milwaukee and they were trash. Tried justifying using klein? I CANT justify it because they cost too much to replace.
Love it!!! Thanks for another great video.
Knipex with the crimper and fishtape pull are hands down the best
Doyle are some of the strongest cutters I used they don’t flatten the the cutters. I have the wire cutter/crimpers are high quality
With a coupon price doyle moves up to one or two
I have the Quinn pliers, I actually thought they weren't suppose to have a gap so when I saw my pair had 1 I thought it was a mistake haha I don't use them professionally or anything like that but they function very well for what I've used them for
They actually feel like decent pliers and will work in majority of the cases and if u dont need them professionally there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying them. Thanks for commenting and watching brother!
@@RedemptionGarage no problem man, glad more people are reviewing these pliers they are definitely a step above the cheap pliers I've seen from husky/kobalt as well. I also would check out the Bremen locking pliers
They definitely are a big step above and i do have the bremen c clamp locking pliers and they actually are pretty good.
Overall best linesman pliers are the yellow handle Klein with tape puller
I'm doing just fine with my Quinn.
Being using exact pair of Klein shown here for 2 years, it rusts soo bad. I don't think it came from the factory with protective coating.
Wow man i love the video and love the new intro thanks for the info!!
The marks on the pliers don't matter. The question is whether or not the cutting edge has lost its straight edge.
I think some of the marks might just be coating left from the nail on the surface of the cutter.
I am not overly impressed with the Knipex. I was a commercial electrician for over 10 years. I used Klein almost exclusively for one very specific reason. Klein pliers stay where you put them. The Knipex are loose and floppy. When working with electical wires, you want pliers that you have to open and close with a little force. I would take a punch to my Kleins and mark the center rivet when they would get loose to make them tight again. As far as cutting strength...if you only cut copper and aluminum, that isn't an issue with any of them. I would never used linesman's pliers to cut anything harder. I suppose you could punch the Knipex pliers to make them tight too but I'll stick with Klein...
There is nothing wrong with the klein pliers at all they are good quality. Everybody has their own preference and feel. Thanks for watching and commenting brother I appreciate it.
For plier patterns in general, Knipex and Klien are my go to's but when I'm in a pinch for an oddball pattern I know I will seldom use, HF Doyle is a big bang for the buck. Far superior to the orange handle pig iron garbage.
Even at $4 the Pittsburgh should still function as intended. I still want my $1 coffee to be coffee lol
Kleins makes 100 different kinds of linemen’s which is ridiculous and it’s hard to tell which ones are the good ones. They should just make 2 at most. Professional and budget because I’ve always bought them and tbeee other tools but my latest linemen’s I paid $45 for and don’t like them
Where are the channel locks lines mans
Love it
Klein is still King. I also heard that the kleins can cut one more gauge higher wire than the Knipplex because of the width of the "blade" section.
You should compare Channel Locks linemen vs Milwuakee vs. Klein.
Throw some channel locks in there. Barely more expensive than the Doyle and made in the USA. How do they compare to the Taiwan Doyle and the more expensive USA Kleins
That's a great idea brother thanks for watching!
Fiercely made in Meadville PA! My main set of pliers is all Channellock. They're good enough for me. I don't need none of them Nazi tools for what I do. I ain't trying to take the world over or anything here.
I would be happy to use the american made tools if they were the best quality however knipex is just better so i will go with them for now. Maybe klein will innovate and make something on par with or better than knipex. also the nazis have been out of power in germany for quite some time now.
@@1pcfred I'm a industrial electrician and i can tell the difference between channel lock junk and knipex.
@@jonshaffer5793 junk? If you can't manage using American tools then that says more about you than the tools. Because they work for everyone else that can work.
The amount of flex when you squeeze them probably isn't the best comparison for linesman pliers... they have a gap built-in so they should Flex.... if you want a larger Gap they should Flex more smaller gap which would be bad... I want my linesman pliers to have some stiction especially if I'm grabbing something im putting pressure on the tape and I'm pulling it by the handle I don't want it to be loose and fly open....I want it to hold shut ... I'm not worried about something leaving a mark on the blade whether or not it chips the blade is the issue leaving a mark on metal while cutting metal is nothing ....I would take the Doyle or Quinn and throw them in a bag for on the road car tools. . Emergency tool kits for just in case... for a few more bucks the Klien or the Knipex would be at the house or the shop....
Makes sense brother. The Quinn and Doyle definitely have their place. Thanks for the input I really appreciate it
y no channel lock
Do you breathe heavy or is the mic too close to your mouth?
PS flex is good - metal pliability reduces levels of breakage along unexpected metal grain, for lack of better words.
Klein are better for use over long term and your pliers should! be stiff that is a win for Klein when your using these all the time you want them to stay open just long enough to get your wires in them. And you save a few bucks compared to the knipex with the Klein but they are expensive compared to the rest of the brands I know Klein are the best because I’ve used them all. The bonus is they are made in he USA.
Great Review! How do you pronounce "knife" or "knuckles"? Pronouncing it like "nip-ex" would make more sense to me, but I like your way better. :D
I would agree with you if Knipex was an english word but it is a German word so pronunciation may be different. I do too though lol thanks for watching and giving your input brother.
@@RedemptionGarage Like you said, German's would pronounce the "k" so you may be correct all the way around.