How Do I Tithe When I'm In Debt?
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2021
- How Do I Tithe When I'm In Debt?
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you need to give George Kamel some professionalism training because he's replying to youtube comments like a teenage girl
To tithe is also to trust the Lord with your life and your finances. It’s saying, Lord, even though I’m not in the most stable financial situation, even though I’m scared, I’m going to give what I can and trust that you will always provide what I need. It’s not about having it all together first. That’s not trust.
Yes… I agree… it’s about obedience and trusting Him to provide…& that’s exactly His Promise 🙏♥️
My family knows a guy who was in a similar situation. He always said God would help him in the future if he gave generously. 10 years later he still can’t buy a house and has no money. His wife also left him. Where was God?
@@michaelbarrett9107Blessings come in many different ways. Only he would truly know how the Lord is operating in his life
Paul makes it clear were not under tithe law. We are under grace. Most pastors are ignorant
Its priesthood to tithe its not gentiles requirement under grace.
When my husband's grandmother was a new widow in the 50s, when there was little help, she tithed on her canning of her garden produce. Tithing is a heart matter between each person and their Creator.
Just tell this poor woman to not give $200 to a church when she is 72 and in debt.
It’s $50 a month not weekly….
@@kevinkang1028 she's starving don't care if it $5 a month. The church should be giving not taking from her blessed is the poor
@@djpuplex Unfortunately the churches generally love taking money from the poor...
When we were in debt, my husband did volunteer work at the church. He still does. Giving your time and talents is just as important. You wouldn’t believe how many times my husband did work that no one else would do. The church and God do not want you to go hungry and homeless.
I definitely agree…. God desires us to use our time & talents to serve Him… but our first 10%… our tithe… yes… He doesn’t need it… but it’s an act of obedience… &, for me & my family, that’s the blessing… being obedient & following His Commandments 🙏♥️🥰
You still need to tithe.
@@Amexblackcard Why? You don't NEED to do it.
Jesus blesses a cheerful giving heart. It is not always monetary blessings either.
Prophet Mohammad has said: “Whoever pays the zakat on his wealth will have its evil removed from him”
My Pastor said the same exact thing you said Walkie Talkie!
He called a 72 year old little girl 🤣
I love that💕
I really needed to hear this, thank you!
I like to say that if giving doesn't require any sacrifice, it isn't charity, it's philanthropy
Maybe volunteer your time instead of money.
I like that idea as well!!! Time is money..
Yap so true❣️❣️❣️
There's 168 hours in a week, which would mean tithing 16.8 hours every week. In one sense it's actually cheaper for most people to give a monetary gift.
Time is money Amen.
Pretty sure elderly widows weren't included in the 10% in biblical times, poor lady, give her a break
She can tithe the church by donating 10 lbs of rice and beans, beans and rice. And the Lord will love her the same.
God will bless all who tithe. That may mean an increase in what she makes or maybe others will give her things, but there is always a blessing. I use to think "I can't afford to tithe". Now I know I can't afford NOT to. God's ways are not ours. I think tithing is also a way to strengthen us spiritually. If we tithe even when we don't see how we can and not go hungry, he will bless us for it, therefore we grow in faith.
From Luke 21
“Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”
How does a person keep tithing when the pastor gets 14% raises two years in a row and makes over $110,000? My church is not making wise financial decisions.
To a church that you trust your pastor- hello
Your missing the other 2 T’s. Time, Talent &/or Tithing. She is elderly & in debt. Giving her time or talent brings much more value in my eyes. She can resume tithing when she is debt free & has EF in place.
Thank you for adding that.. money is easiest to give for some rather than time, but giving your time is certainly valuable.
Amen. 💜
Yes, our time is more valuable to God but that doesn't take away from the importance of giving of our financial resources. She will do better financially as she pays her tithing. The Lord's instruction in the book of Malachi is clear on this. Who wouldn't want the windows of heaven opened up to them, whether that blessing from God is spiritual, financial or emotional/physical, it doesn't matter.
@@darrenjorgensen1917 have to agree… God gets the first 10% … not sure He puts conditions on this for His children 🙏♥️
He also missed that she can tith the church by donating 10 lbs or rice and beans, beans and rice. And the Lord will love her the same.
I like this new guy on your show Dave! Well done
Yes, he is good but I am concerned with the lack of diversity. Why did Anthony leave? The show needs a role model for African-Americans
You don’t. Religion is a genius business where no product needs delivered. Empty promises just work somehow.
Well said Dave
Love this biblical perspective! I might add that Tithing is a way to tell God “I trust you” to take care of me ❤
$50 is a lot on her income.
But remember the widow gave only 2 mites..but Jesus said she gave more than all the rich people did..because she gave all she had..she loved God that much..and knowing God you can b sure she reaped a bountiful supernatural harvest..harvest..they that sow bountiful shall reap bountifuly..God is looking at our hearts when we do things..and promises to reward openly those that trust in Him📖🙏🕊
@@garygacek8781 She did give all she had, this is a spiritual lesson, not a practical one. She basically became a beggar, you can't live on nothing at all. So other people have to take care of this woman, probably from the same funds she just dropped in to.
We can't tell her she shouldn't have given, because this was her heart, and it was good.
In modern American culture, which is really what we're dealing with here, we don't all have land and animals and gardens and free food coffers and family and extended family feeding us. A modern widow still has a rent/house payment, utilities, groceries, insurances, healthcare, the list is endless and it all costs money. Can a modern woman give all she has? Perhaps, but then all her stuff goes in default, she gets hit with late payment fees, the power gets shut off.
People say "give until it hurts". Well that's easy, I can just give everything. But then my family doesn't eat, no bills get paid, we have late fees added on top of the bills, hits to the credit agency. Yes it hurts, but is it doing any good for the kingdom?
My point is, we have to adjust for the times we live in. Scripture doesn't say "give till it hurts or else it's not really giving". Instead, it says to be good and wise stewards of what God gives us. The parable of the talents shows this. If I give away what is needed for bills and utilities and payments and food and medical supplies and insurance and such, this is just unwise and mishandling funds. Does God need us to write bad checks for him? Or borrow from Visa at 28.9% so our local church can have more?
The Christian cultural conversation about tithe and offerings is still so filled with confusion, even abuse and bad councel.
"Just give the tithe and God will bless you!"
How? By increasing our money so we can pay the bills? But we just discussed that easily paying the bills doesn't "hurt" enough right? Are we not good givers unless we feel constant anxiety about our finances? That doesn't seem biblical at all.
I'm not arguing with you, just jumping off on a rant!
Times When I was low on money I would volunteer. When life improved I gave money, it seemed easier. Now I totter in old age, I give to individuals personally in community, donate belongs just collecting dust, food bank... Always had dreams of being wealthy philanthropist forming organizations to help society. What else are we here for
Give what you can, tithing isn't a command.
This call was sad
I really liked this video and the innocence of that lady
Great advice! I just received as a beneficiary on my son’s life insurance policy a
which I paid on it for 26 and a half years. It did cross my mind do I have to pay what I have already been taxed on and paid myself? I never looked and never gave Social Security a thought of I had actually paid for that. The LORD had already laid it on my heart to go ahead and tithe my 10% which I am going to do JOYFULLY as He has ALWAYS provided everything I need and more than I deserve. I’m grateful I found y’all🙏 I’m going to subscribe. Blessings 🙏🙏🙏 and thank you brothers🙏🙏🙏✝️
I have this question myself!
Great Answer
“Your Heavenly Father who is absolutely crazy about you “. 🥲
Wooooowwww love Dave!!!!
I agree with ramsey on this.
Tithing is an Old Testament teaching. It is a good example but that teaching was a part of the old law. In the New Testament, you are taught to be generous as you have been prospered. Corinthians 9:7 says that "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." The caller seems to want to give and as long as she gives generously as she has been prospered, she has fulfilled New Testament teaching on giving. New Testament scripture teaches to give generously rather than tithing. For some 10% is not generous as all. For others, giving 10% could cause one to fail to take care of themselves or their family.
It depends on your interpretation of the bible. I find that anyone can justify anything and say it's based on the bible.
Amen. you have read the Bible correctly.
By asking this are you trying to give more or less?
What you give to God is between you and Him.
Amen sister..
Amazing
Pay tithing and the windows of heaven open and blessings rain down. These blessings come in many forms, but they do come. It takes faith rather than money to pay tithing. And faith precedes the miracles.
Dave : GOD IS NOT SHORT ON CASH .
No, it's because it's good for YOU
It’s an act of obedience….& THAT obedience blesses YOU 🙏♥️ because you are fully trusting HIM to provide for you🙏♥️
Generally, the same way you pay taxes; it comes off the top. But, Dave's right- always grace. Find a way to give. In her case, maybe the strict formulas aren't that important. What is important is finding a way to be generous even when we are not in a great situation.
God expects a tenth. The government demi-god demands 35 to 40 percent!
Giving and tithing is such a tough thing for some people like me. It’s not that I don’t love helping people, it’s just that I have such a tough time setting aside 10% of everything I earn…
Then start trusting the LORD and do as He says, not what you feel like doing.
It's reminds us that everything that we feel is OURS is truly HIS. He blessed us with the things we have and continues to bless us with more when he see us do good works with the things he's given.
I like this episode. I didn't know u guys were Christian until now, & that's good. It was nice to hear that. I think u even quoted the bible. I've been wanting to read the bible more recently too. :)
Have you started reading the Bible yet? Sure has changed my life the last year.
How about she donates her time as a tithe? Our time has a value too. This call was a big miss for me.
I guess her time doesn't pay the utility bills.
I was thinking the same thing! There is more than one way to be generous. Serving in church is one way.
@@Really_Rebecca94 There's 168 hours in a week. Most people can't do 16.8 hours (10%) of serving every week. It's actually cheaper to give money.
Christians are free to give what they have determined to give in their heart. The tithe applied in the Old Covenant which is fulfilled and came to an end in Christ. There is no set amount Christians must give to support the work of the Gospel. It sounds like this lady might need the church to assist her.
So..you have made a statement on behalf of the LORD. Please state your source within the Holy Bible to back up your statement. Saints of old were required to give an offering to the LORD due to the love and mercy of our Heavenly Father; but now Christians are exempt, or can give what they feel like giving? Please explain in detail with chapters/verses from the Bible.
Amen!
I don't tithe to a church. I tithe to those around me that need it for food and shelter.
That's how it should be.
It's also for the widow and the orphan.
I tithe too. I put it on my mortgage
@@austinroberts6229 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring the tithes to My storehouse saith the Lord..the tithe is to go to your local church..in the beginning of the church the believers brought the money they received from selling there lands ect. to the Apostles and laid it at there feet( the church leaders called by Christ) and then AD A CHURCH they distributed the money as there was need by the wisdom and direction of the Holy Ghost 📖🙏🕊..read and obey your Bible.✝️
Poor woman is wracked with guilt over this. God isn't an accountant.
Very good advice, Dave.
God wants our obedience and being obedient to God brings us joy. You were very gracious to this 72 year old woman. God knows her heart❤️
Anytime people take it from being a simple logic to other ways to tithe and reason etc. they simply don’t want to
Leave the poor lady alone.
She's still giving back to the world by being a substitute teacher, just not monetarily.
So true
If you don't invest in yourself, don't expect others to.
Listen to John Macarthur on the subject of tithing. It was how the Israelites supported the priests. There were several tithes adding up to about 23%.
Dave is it from gross pay or net pay
Start investing now kids
Don't, problem solved.
Tithing is on earned income, not on social security.
Yes.
Keeping the commandments (which tithing is a part of) helps us to love God more. He loves us the same regardless, but as we submit our will to His, our love for Him increases.
Dave is right, generosity and giving benefits us tremendously, more so then those that we give to.
TITHE with your TIME
Good deeds which could even be sharing knowledge ✔
Reading stories to children in a classroom; helping them read.
Well that's not going to help pay the pastors bills..
There's 168 hours in a week, which would mean tithing 16.8 hours every week. In one sense it's actually cheaper for most people to give a monetary gift.
I would like to chime in and say that it IS SO possible to tithe 10% of your income and still get out of debt! We are doing it! It just takes a budget and determination!
Get out of debt first, then tithe if you wish. Churches should not take from those without money or in debt
I gave to persons who really need it for education or medical expenses etc. I think that's tithing and it's just as important as giving to a church where sometimes pastors misuse church funds
Joel osteen be like
❤️
I would say the vast majority of churches though aren't misusing their funds, so I wouldn't let that stop you. Besides, it's much easier for a person in need to misuse funds than a whole church (unless one person handles all the money, which is very atypical).
It's also acknowledging that God is your source and God gives increase in wisdom and rebukes the devourer and opens doors of opportunity to make what you have go further.
I wonder how long she owed her sister the cash or maybe she is also helping her out 🥰👍
Starting to realize why my pastor growing up pushed this guys "money solutions" so much to his congregation, including my parents. I could have gone to any school i wanted on their 10%, but they gave it to a con man.
@jaegarbombs Why do you tune in to listen to a “con man?”
I have to disagree with Dave. He said that Deuteronomy says to tithe off of your net income. The word "net" is never used in the Bible in reference to income - not in Deuteronomy or anywhere else in the Bible. The word "net" is used as a trap, a snare or as a fishing net. To tell someone today to tithe off their net is to tithe off of the money they bring home.
Some people have things like social security, payroll taxes, insurance payment, etc., etc. taken out of their check. Some people only bring home half of what they actually made due to all of their deductions. i once knew a man who grossed $600. a week but only brought home about $75. on his paycheck because he had another source of income that he wanted to pay taxes on. So based on Dave's logic you would tell my friend to pay $7.50 tithe off of an income of $600.
Also according to Dave's logic, those people who exclusively live off of social security are exempt from tithing. Wonder what God thinks of that kind of logic?
Tithing is 100% about supporting the church. There’s a reason tithing is specific to donating to the church rather than to any other organization that would have an actual impact. Don’t tithe, donate to nonprofits or literally anything else. But certainly focus on getting into a better financial situation before you start donating money that you need
We tithe for God.
@@Amexblackcard you tithe to fill your pastors pockets
Where does it say under the new covenant that Gentiles must tithe?
Matthew 23:23
Wrong
My answer: Either you give what you feel like you can safety give, you don't tithe at all, or change church that doesn't pressure you into this.
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You should pray about this ❣️❣️❣️
Every 3rd year we keep the tithe for widows and orphans in your family.
Smart Advice by Mr. Ramsey
Dave said tithing is on the "net increase". I've always been taught that you tithe on the gross?
Render to Ceaser what is Ceaser's. "Net" basically means the stuff you actually get which is yours to use. You can then give out of the stuff that is actually yours to give from.
You dont! Dont throw away your money like that
I would like to hear a comment on a different form of tithing - volunteering. I was expecting Dave to come back with this after pointing out that God does not need money.
The point of tithing is to give in a way that not only spreads the word of God but also to do good for yourself and others.
This does not need to be with the most convenient way possible (handing out cash) but I would easily posit that doing Godly volunteer work is even BETTER than a cash tithe.
Thoughts ?
"Time is money" for many people, including myself. Around 50% of my work is volunteering using my specialized skills. It's sooo much better than doubling my paid work! Volunteering gets me involved in my church and community. I get to strengthen my Godly relationships.
i wonder what daves opinion on guys like joel osteen is
Jesus doesn't need your money, tell the greedy Pastor that you will pay when you're out of debt.
Greedy pastor?
@@ASLunar if he's pressuring a 72 year old who's in debt to give to his church he's a greedy pos pastor.
I respect Dave Ramsey, but Christians are not under a tithe! Tithing was an Old Testament rule , essentially a tax. At times it was oppressive. I know that Dave mentions how Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek, but that was a one-time gift. The New Testament says that each one should give what he can afford. For some this is only 5%, and that's fine. The important thing for Christians isn't tithing, but practicing generosity, and not only with money, but with time, prayers, and resources.
You don’t
You don't. Next
Let the poor women keep her money or give an offering to the church from her own volition, as described in New Testament. How can you be telling her to follow the practices of Deuteronomy that was given to the Jews of that time. This tithing doctrine of today makes me so sad, because it does not exist in Christ and is a bondage to all those who follow it. Neither does it accurately mimic the tithing in the law, but is completely man made (not that Christians should follow the law either). The tithe given to God by Abram and Jacob was after the fact that God had blessed them abundantly in a particular situation and not before. Even then, it only happened once in their lifetimes and never again. Considering this, why are you asking this poor women to give a tithe with the little that she has. This whole tithe thing has to stop. Give offerings not tithes.
what does god need with money
Simple - you don’t.
I don’t get it why the church is exempt from Dave’s judgement when people are spending money they don’t have.
The lady called cause she wanted to be giving that way. The lady did not detail her budget all the way through and Dave did not push her to detail the whole budget. Also, he said he would not tithe social security in his opinion which gives her some more money than just the 500, it was up to her.
@@RGTFLA85 Many of his callers’ financial “wants” are shot down with something along the lines of “You can’t talk about spending $xx on anything yet, you’re broke!”
ALL OF US CAN THITE BY OTHER MEANS. DONATING TIME & RESOURCES (TEACHING).
This is not tithing. Tithing in the old testament was giving from your profit. It was only the priests that tithed (I think).
Do you tithe based on net pay or gross pay?
I feel like I know which the church would prefer 😅
He loves you lil Girl ❤️sweet!!!
Tithing makes zero sense, particularly while in debt. If you want to do it, get your financial house in order first.
It's a good way to stay in poverty forever!
Writing a budget is part of getting your financial house in order. People spend money on what is important to them. Nirvana, you see the world from a different perspective than Dave and the lady that called. It is okay that it is not part of your budget but it is very important to them to work that in to theirs. I work tithing in budget and it does not hurt me financially at all. I am about to max out my Roth IRA this year for first time ever and tithe from every check. Everyone has a different budget.
Says a person who has never consistently tithe
No wrong..we walk by faith not by sight..the widow women had only enough oil for her and her son..but in faith she made a quality decision to feed the prophet Elijah first..and God supernatural provided for her.📖🙏✡️
Your getting not making on social security.
To tithe is to humble oneself in the Eyes of the Lord. God bless! Amen!
Why don't you tell them to actually read the book. You're not to unless you're a part of a certain tribe. Nor is it a 10th of your income.
Tithe people, tithe! Joel Osteen needs a spare yacht.
Honestly if Joel's yacht doesn't have its own yacht then God is dead
Creflo Dollar’s new G6 ain’t gonna buy itself folks!!!!
@Christopher Martin i shouldn't laugh . I'm a giver but this was funny
Joel osteen doesn't take a salary from his church. He lives on his intellectual property
Don't forget Kenneth Copeland's new private jet!
I feel like proportionally doing it or pro rating it makes sense
Well if it makes sense to you then I'm sure God will understand 🙄
God told me he didn’t want any more $$$
I give my drug dealer about 20% of my income... I guess I am good about tithe.
What if you ain't working and are being helped by family members do I have to tithe and even if I'm in debt Thanks in advance God Bless
No. Today's version of tithing has no biblical precedent. One can choose to tithe, but there's no biblical mandate to tithe as it is practiced today.
@@markb7067 I do it here and there and hope I'm giving it cheerfully as this topic is not about money but a heart issue I'm a work in progress so there's a lot for me to learn still. Still Appreciate your Message God Bless you
Note: is supposed to be between God and you
@@GodsMasterpiece509 We're all a work in progress! Best wishes and blessings in your giving.
@@markb7067 AGREE
Tithe is 10%…I always calculate it based on take home (after Medicare Premium) because I cannot give of what I do not receive. We are on social security, plus a small pension. So based on what Dave said with social security a return of our own work investment, it is not an increase and should not be subject to tithing, our tithe should be based on the pension amount.
Atheist here that follows the financial advise without buying into religious part. Thoughts? Other than you will pray for me or that I'm a lost soul.
@@jjfitz10 Next!!!
I mean donating is fine and all but only if your in a financial stable place. If giving 50$ make you have to question will you have enough to eat, then don’t. That or just give 3-5$ when you go to church
Gentiles were NEVER required to obey the Jewish Laws. Love the Lord thy God with everything in you and love your neighbor as you love yourself. IF you are LED BY THE SPIRIT YOU WILL GIVE WHATEVER THE SPIRIT WANTS. 10% Is routine for most church folk.
I don't belong to a church and do not want to give my money to one. I prefer to give my money to charities that I know are doing the right thing, such as St. Jude's Childrens' Hospital. I'm pretty sure that the Lord does not have a problem with me doing it this way. I make less money than the lady who called (I only receive Social Security...no "earned income") and I try to help people in other less tangible ways as well.
Simple, you don’t
Exactly. Mandatory tithing is a huge red flag, even if not in debt.
Yes, why would someone all powerful care or need your money?
Forget the tithing for now- missing the whole point if she is in debt at 72 and it makes her a burden on others.
Ever
I think really what gets me is that they have. This church has become like a holy family to me. They have been good to me. They have welcomed me in and made me feel so good. It helped me when I went to court to fight. These debts collection agencies and they've been there for me all the time. But then you know the organization once an apple card of a $150. And I don't have that kind of money. I know my finances. I know my fixed expenses. Which is about 1203 100 with credit card debt that I pay and 200 for gas groceries of bone and other than that. I just don't have $500. That maybe I can do $50. But you know, for me, I'm ready to leave becathe. Expectations are too large and they are a wealthy institution, although they help other people. But for me I have to think about my own emotional stability. Been feeling unworthy and I don't want that so I won't leave the church. Cause I can't do it
So amazing to be the first to comment!!!
The tithe is not for us gentiles never was never will be. Dang stop lying to people. If it's teaching us to give then send this poor woman some money. Tithing is law we are not under the law. tithing is NOT giving.
Take 10% of your total debt from the church
I think if I was the type to want to rip people off I would have just become a pastor. Unfortunately I have to be able to sleep at night.
I tend to agree with Dave on this one.
Did Mike Tyson write the title?
I also have this issue
I think 50 bucks is a good amount. Just give what you can. You do not have to give a certain percentage.
Your “DDDebt!”