@@silver_kitten someone on tumblr said that Yoshi has never done anything wrong, and someone else replied "yoshi has committed tax fraud." the OP asked for proof, and the other user responded with a picture of Yoshi with a speech bubble reading "i committed tax fraud"
@@Lightning-2153 I think it's not the design thats copyrighted but her character and story, an echidna warrior who betrays a criminal echidna army. Not that that's a unique story and the fact that Penders won that is really fucked. I love the reboot u have for Shade! She's one of my favorite characters. Edit: Correction, As Robian Knight said, Penders did not win the case against Bioware and SEGA. I mixed up the results with the case against archie.
@@robianknight4001 Penders is still persistent enough to try to go after Sega if they tried to bring back Shade the Echidna. All because she takes some inspiration from Julie-Su. Heck, he is partly why Sega will never be able to get any company; not even Atlus, to work on a direct sequel for Sonic Chronicles.
I was... in a state of confusion the second Big was shown in prison... and the only thing to knock me out of my stupor was the laughter you have put upon me. Many thanks.
Right? I mean screw it, Shadow already has Chaos Spear, and not to mention Chaos Control and Blaze shooting fire in her Burning form. No reason to force Silver to be stuck with a more "grounded" super power like telekinesis on pre-existing objects. Let's get this madman to level 100 Conjuration! *CONJURE ME A NUKE, SILVER!!! BLOW THIS EGG BASTARD AWAY FOR GOOD!*
Something that frustrates me about the unwillingness to revisit the adventure formula is that it also benefits the DEVELOPERS. The boost formula is cool but extremely creatively restrictive. You can’t do a whole lot with it in terms of level design. The adventure formula is inherently “level focused” and had an emphasis on the player exploring and using the level itself to reach their goals. The devs would have a LOT more variety and creative freedom if they went with the adventure formula again
Lol didn’t expect to see you here. Also I agree with you 100%. Of the devs went back to using the Adventure formula we would have more Sonic games and not be stuck in this drought
SA also isn't nearly as fast as Boost, so stages don't need to be nearly as big as a Boost game's. They have to be more depthful given the freer level navigation though, which is a good thing in my eyes.
boost is enough. I want to see Sonic Team to bring back the Adventure Formula. TBH, I highly doubt that, SEGA is going to use boost again thanks to Forces.
Honestly, I feel like there's a place for the boost system. Like how it was in Sonic 06 where certain parts of the stage, you had to run super fast to get to the end because that was the objective. I feel like that's the best place to put the boost system in Adventure game stages.
@@wahoo. Yeah the fanbase is super divided... It's so bad that Sega and Sonic Team don't know who to listen to, so instead they listen to the loudest voice. :(
@@blockyvids2 I would say, why not just turn it into a different game? Change the story, delay the game so it's less buggy. Anything to help keep sonic from going down this dark path.
Bruh I teared up a bit. I played the adventure games only a couple of weeks ago and I fell in love with the franchise again after many years and I would love your SA3 pitch to actually become a real game (or at least something similar bc of the whole situation with Penders and stuff) and of course polishing some details. Like I forgot how much joy this franchise gave me. Your video needs more views seriously you're criminally underrated.
I mean, the "one of us must die" scene is a perfect example of Sonic being Sonic. He defies the odds every time when they're stacked against him. I'd say nothing wrong with it!
Y'know, I had an idea: Imagine if Cryona was a child Echidna who just so happened to touch the Snow Sapphire (My attempt at renaming it), and because she had prolonged exposure to it, its power transferred itself to her. Eggman from 2006 (The timeline where 06 never happened) went back in time, to a point where Perfect Chaos already attacked, and found Cryona as one of the survivors. He takes her in the current time, and grooms her to become his "perfect soldier" like Ghetsis did to N.
@@CynthiaTheSilly Not even a social outcasty thing. Grooming is just a common thing in UA-cam nowadays, which is completely and utterly awful, but sadly, normal.
Even if SA3 never gets made in our lifetimes, this video alone, this godly presentation would leave me satisfied as a definitive game itself., and I am happy that Sonic Adventure 3 *exists* in the form of this 2 hour pitch.
I've got an idea for a game. Who's The Richest In The Comments? Round 1: 'If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "Sega should hire you!"...' I mean, how much does it say (about Sega) if you hear it time & time again? It still hasn't lost relevance
@@yellowstarproductions6743 totally forgot about this comment! and I still stand by it! imagine how much they'd have to make up for due to the last one we officially got. a heck of a gap to make up for lost time. the pressure would be out of this solar system.
Back in the day when Sonic was still trying to recover from 06 then maybe but now? Sadly not. This franchise has gone through too much irreparable damage to "save" it from pumping out bad games. Not that Sega could even handle the mere concept of adventure 3 anyway.
@@ashuraomega1000 yeah for sure. I was definitely going to say, the gap is too long now to save it. But I don't blame them for not making another one ever.
Those last 20 minutes of the video is just... Wow. You took the words straight from my mouth and i can’t describe how cathartic it felt to see someone else who understands the soul of sonic and what he means to me
I entirely agree with you. Even though I’m finding this video as well as comment a few years too late… I believe what he said in the video still could apply now, even with the release of sonic frontiers. There is clearly a bit of work to be done in terms of just consistency as mentioned, but that will have to wait until we get a new mainline game a few years from now. Please keep in mind I haven’t beat frontiers yet, and I’m just talking off of what I’ve seen so far playing that game. (If you played it, please feel free to your feedback on it, if I can bring you back from this 2 year old comment 😅) But when he showed clips from unleashed, CD, the SA1 intro ( 2:08:19 ), it brought be back to playing Sonic Adventure 1&2 on the Dreamcast. Sonic adventure left me inspired as a kid, and it really felt that each character what important for who they were. Sonic adventure 2 unleashed a whole new level of depth to me. I’ve never seen any form of media as a kid that just brought so much emotion, much like how he felt with Gamma’s ending in SA1, that’s the game that truly sealed the deal for me. He’s right. The Adventure games are truly masterpieces just because of the fact they know what they are, and looking back, each character in both games had *depth* and emotion that I feel weren’t really matched in the last ~5 or so years I feel. Sorry for a bit of a post-video rant under your 2 year old comment, but assuming you read all of this I hope you’d agree ✌️
26:18 "The Avatar will have a pretty small role in the plot." *Literally has only one solo stage.* *Gets frozen half to death* *Gets overrun by robots and have to have Omega save their tails* Yeah, that checks out...
Honestly yes. I’m about half way through (bathroom break) and am BLOWN away by the characterization with Shadow, Tails, Blaze, Sonic, Shade, Omega, and Knuckles being highlights. Like wow dude.
I really don’t get why people seem to ignore how SA2 proved there’s a way to have many playable characters without bloating the number of playstyles. Glad you factored that in by having “skins” for each of the playstyles. I honestly don’t care if Blaze is just a sonic clone with none of her fire abilities or if Omega is treated like a living organism in terms of water and stuff, I just want to play as them again! I do think the having every character be able to play every stage is way too ambitious though. Sounds like a great avenue for fan modding if the base game is designed in an easy-to-mod way.
Hmm...SEGA did get to use her and Tangle in Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces Speed Battle, so I'd like to see them in a console egular handheld game. (For the record, I consider Mobile Games to be handheld games.)
Everyone: Who tf is Shade? Me, who played Dark Chronicles: . . . Lol, but tbh, I feel like Shade is a bit too obscure to include in this game...at least not without some form of explanation of who she is and why she's here.
For all intents and purposes, she's getting rebooted in this pitch, so there's no need to explain her past from Dark Brotherhood. Also, They put Charmy, Vector, and Espio into Heroes without exposing about Knuckles Chaotix (because they were rebooted as well as far as I'm aware).
Obscurity doesn't really matter much, it invites people to do research and find out more about the characters they love rather than letting the game tell them everything and hold their hand through every single expositional piece for every character. That's something that Sonic games have done right for a long time is not reintroducing older characters as if they're brand new over and over. Once they're a part of it, they're in later games (usually, with some exceptions) most of the time. Blaze, just so happens to be one. She went from some small, off track games to primary ones pretty quickly. Sonic 06 doesn't exactly count in my book as she was first introduced in Sonic Rush. Without 06, a lot of people wouldn't even know her.
It's a "Dystopia" if it's a utopia(gone wrong), like if it's one type of person's idea of a paradise but it's awful for another type of person. Silver and Blaze's future is "Post-Apocalyptic", because the apocalypse already happened. Excellent video! SEGA should hire you.
34:30 an idea to augment this flashback even more effectively: Maybe have this scene play as you idle on the start screen, sort of like the prologue of the first 2 Paper Mario games. It settles one last unanswered question about the SA games (that being what has even happened to the Master Emerald since 2001) and can serve as foreshadowing for the future Knuckles is in for.
I'm not head over heels for the story pitch, since I feel like its juggling too many plot lines and not giving any of them enough attention. It's a self-admittedly unrefined story, but I feel like that'd be the case no matter how much it was fleshed out. Silver, for example, ends up being about as auxiliary as Blaze is in '06, so I think that in theory, both characters are better served by starring in their own stories instead of competing for relevance in that way. I enjoyed the video though, and there are definitely good moments, like Shadow's attempted sacrifice, and I really like the idea of Angel Island bring permanently grounded now that Chaos is gone.
Admittedly, I figured out the playable cast before writing the story, so I tried to figure out how to fit everyone into it. Silver and Amy in particular are here for gameplay reasons more than story reasons, but I tried to give them cool moments, like Amy reaching out to Omega and Silver saving Cryona. This huge cast is what I want out of an Adventure game, kinda like The Avengers movies, but future non-adventure games should have smaller casts, kinda like the non-Avengers Marvel movies. I'd love to see Silver get his own game 😁
Personally, I'd want SA3's story to be more grounded, with about six characters being playable. I'd also rather the villain be an anthro character with his own personality, goals, etc, and not just another kaiju.
@@Electro21964 I think it makes more sense to have the final baddie be a big monster, simply because that's the way it was done for Heroes, 06, and Unleashed, all games that have the most relation to the Sonic Adventure series which also do things in this way.
Honestly, Big's story isn't the one I think needs to be improved the most: I think it's Amy's. She only got three levels - fewer than Big - and they could have done more with her. At the very least, I think they could have padded on a couple more levels. For instance, the area in Station Square where Zero first arrives in a cut scene is close to one of the entrances to Speed Highway. So Amy could have done the first level there before even meeting up with Sonic. Or switch things around so her escape from the Egg Carrier takes her through Sky Deck - and she enters Hot Shelter later when searching for Birdy's family.
I agree. Say, have you played Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil? It's a great game, but anyways, there's this one arc where you're in this factory world and you end up fighting this defense robot. Then in the next level, where the whole place is on the verge of blowing up, the robot gets back up and pursues you to the death. It gave the sense of a determined, dangerous machine that just won't quit. ua-cam.com/video/xIW8iwcrsFY/v-deo.html Also, they could do more jump scares where Zero suddenly ambushes you, or there's a hint that he's close, like with Samus's infected armor in Metroid Fusion.
Bigs story is fine, just dont make it essential, and leave it in as a extra. People overhate it way too much, when it was meant to be a joke campaign. Big's character is a joke for crying out loud
Exactly! I played Big right after Gamma's route, and the goofy cat's wacky fishing adventures were just what I needed to let go of the melancholy I had after Gamma's bittersweet ending.
That was beautiful, I really love the story you crafted. Cryona is a great OC, and the fact that you incorporate a few ideas from existing canon is great, like introducing another gemstone with a unique power, like the Phantom Ruby or Warp Topaz.
Ok, ok. I’ve finally gotten to watching this whole thing and can I just say it is so comforting to find someone who still cares so much about the Sonic series, every part of it. I especially appreciated the emphasis on the story - it may have been bare bones but I loved it all the same. These characters have made such a huge impact on me and I love them to pieces. You respect all of them so well. I hope that Sonic Team realizes that they just can’t please everyone and focus on making what they want to make.
This is actually very creative.! I loved the moment where Silver and Blaze go back to the future and they look at the time machine thinking about going back to Sonic and the gang..
This made me smile a lot and reminded me of the IDW comics. For an actual SA3 it’s maybe a little fanficy, but the game play and main story points are 100% fire
This is the among my favorite videos I've seen across all my years on this website. Thank you. P.S, you have an unironically really good Shadow and Knuckles voice.
Yes because i love the original adventure games sonic adventure 1 my favorite I dislike the sonic colors story’s and tails will do something not crying for sonic.
Such a beautiful video and i totally agree with the fact that Sonic is now seen as a joke to a point to be bullied several times just because i like Sonic. i really hope someone at SEGA watches this video, not because i want an your SA3 (even if i really like your ideas) but just so that SEGA understand that us Sonic fans are tired of Sonic being a joke.Thanks for this great video
Thanks! And honestly, I'm really not married to this story or anything; I just threw together this video to show just how much I want to see Sonic return to being awesome. If I could throw together this story in a few days, imagine what a team of devs who truly understand the Adventure games could accomplish.
This is a GREAT pitch, honestly! The writing for the characters, Shadow and the Chaotix in particular, are fantastic. This actually inspires me to finally make my own pitch for a Sonic game.
Even if we don’t get a SA3, I think Sega has finally learned their lesson. With them hiring Ian Flynn, retconning two worlds, and not doing memes as much anymore. Some may call me gullible, and I’ll admit things could still go wrong, but things are finally looking up.
Ian is certainly a better fit for Sonic than Pontaff, but I worry he may carry on the tradition of having Sonic’s quips continuing for more than 3 seconds. I also worry he might drag out a single plot point for 20 levels while doing nothing to resolve it, because seriously, the Metal Virus Arc could have ended in 5 issues and we would have lost NOTHING of value
@@tonyhakston536Thanks for showing you know nothing about the difference between writing for a comic book series vs a game. I'm guessing you don't know how comics work. I don't even like Idw (I'm an Archie guy) and even I think those complaints are stupid.
@@tonyhakston536 He writes Sonic like the freebird he's supposed to be and not a blue comedian who saved the world multiple times and relax, its a game, not a series.
I just watched the entire video I went from being interested in the gameplay to absolutely hooked up with the narrative to thrilled with the music and in complete agreement with the franchise reputation The gameplay, i couldn't have imagined it any better, the game just sounds so fun and innovative with the combat mode, i'm all for it The music, man..... Just... I love this fanbase And about the story, i can see why some would not like to retcon everything post SA2 That would mean: No Team Dark No Sol Dimension and Sol Emeralds No Neo Metal Sonic No Black Arms And No Light and Dark Gaia But.... You mentioned this game as a turning point, all the other games Pre Lost World shouldn't be retconed In AL The Boi's latest video (Why Sonic Unleashed Opening Works) i commented about how i would connect the whole series from Sonic 1 to Unleashed (he even responded, the dude is awesome) i would rewrite Shadow's game and all that but your pitch for SA3 would fill perfectly in between SA2 and Heroes (or continue with that cliffhanger from the future) Being said all that I LOVE YOUR HISTORY The characters are on point, and it connects so smoothly with SA and SA2 I love the cohesion with starting at Ice Cap setting the Chill narrative and foreshadowing with the question of "why it's always cold there?", it feels like world building not for nostalgia sake Things that i love: - That Angel Island is now on the sea, everything makes sense with Chaos at peace - That you included humans in the story - The way the conflict begins - The Chaotix just being themselves - The interactions between characters - Shadow's lack of amnesia and that you continued his arc and personality of SA2 - The new introductions of Omega - Shade - Blaze - Silver - Cream - The Chaotix and The avatar, wow i was just thinking of leaving the concept but you conviced me that is worth the try - Charmy playing Jet Set Radio, that would be a great gag with every game, Charmy just playing other SEGA games - Crayona, her story and character just sounds great (the Silent Saphire just works so well) - The way the story it's structured, with a linear story (the DLC sounds lit) the set of groups, the conversations, the locations, during the story part i was getting chills after chills for the Grand Adventure feel - The Kajus are neat and all but, having another animal character as the final boss, i mean, were you reading my mind? - The ending, man i couldn't help but to smile as i was listening, it's just perfect - The serious tone but with charm Now... I did feel that Silver was underutilized, but i mean with everyone shining this much someone had to pay a little, but it isn't something that sequels couldn't improve (check AL The Boi's vídeo on Silver) And at some point i was like "oh yeah, the avatar" but i don't see that as a problem, nobody wants such a good cast being overshadow by a custom character After the story ended i was like "man now they can make a Blaze and Silver game", like, they can use the Time Stones and maybe with time travel there can be a Mephiles Also there can be a game for only Team Chaotix as an open world You make wish for the future of the franchise with that ending You put the bases for a great sequel: Fix, Expand and Preserve Seriously man i love the video and if we ever get SA3 i want this video to be the mold Sorry for my English Grettings from México
Neo Metal Sonic's plot of Heroes can be brought back. The Black Arms plot i rewrite it in AL The Boi's video from Unleashed (The comment section). The storybook series can fit wherever. The Advance stories can also come back. The Sol Dimension can still exist maybe with it's own Blaze. Colors with the DS writting please. Generations with more deep cutscenes and interactions. Even Lost World, the IDW comics make me think that the Lost Hex can work Give the Phatom Ruby another story. We can have the new cronology and fit the other games So the cannon doesn't sacrifice other beloved stories
I really hope they can build upon the world of Sonic Unleashed. Sega put an insane amount of love into those parts of the world. I’d love to explore Chun-Nan as Blaze during a fireworks festival at night or Cream in Empire City as she gazes down upon the city from the roof of a skyscraper.
You....You actually made me almost cry. This was awesome to watch. The passion, the play, and the confidence in how this franchise can be amazing is just so heart warming. I loved it, every bit of this, and how Sonic works. Sonic is my childhood! And I will never forget or give up hope on it gaining the love it deserves, and the passion it will regain!
Dawg, the beginning of the story is so funny. Sonic choking on a chili dog, Knuckles staring at Shade, Omega pointing at Tails “You..!” dawg this is the good food
I also want to help with this like the stage names. Here’s a list of them: Arctic Base, Frozen Lab, Badnik Chaos, Arsenal Escape, Chrome Bunker, Jungle Madness, Gadget Dome, Fortress Hall, Electric Skirmish, Hideaway Corridor, Invaded City, Metro Heights, Highway Dash, Neon Battlefield, Ancient Quest, Lost Ruins, Ocean Sanctum, Mountain Outskirts, Cavern Peak, Summit Gorge, Eggtropolis Rush, Robotic Warzone, Fierce Showdown, Upward Chase, Hazardous Countdown, and Final Tower
This was in my recommendations and I was so happy that I clicked and watched. I love your story pitch and choice of multiple characters playing a role and I love that Kunckles plays a major role in the game.
When the video ended, I sat for nearly 5 whole minutes in silence... Dude, that was incredible. I don't really know what to say that describes this other than: "wow" and "that was a masterpiece" In truth: I started this channel because I as well as many others that tapped out of the franchise have come back because fans like you, like Christian Whitehead, and even the youtubers who role play as Sonic characters (Tails and Sonic Pals etc) continue to express their love and passion for Sonic and thus kept the franchise alive, relevant and even helped it rise in popularity. At this time especially after the success of the movie, I have newfound love for the franchise that I haven't felt in years, and because of that I really want Sonic to be a respectable franchise again. Your video brings hope for that because it made me fully rediscover why I loved Sonic in the first place. *Thank you!*
That's awesome to hear that my video really meant something to you 🙂 I rarely upload to my channel anymore (and I honestly don't have any plans for future videos), so I'd like to think that I've got something important to say with this one.
Wow. Just wow. This was an amazing video. I can tell just how much heart went into this. 2 HOURS! And I sat here and watched it all. You've gained a subscriber my friend, and I hope to see more from you. But I want to offer my own thoughts about the whole thing. For one, you have the exact same idea as me. Remaking Adventure 1 and 2 and then soft-rebooting the franchise with Adventure 3. Now for me I've also entertained the idea of remaking Heroes as well, for one just so we have a trilogy just like Spyro and Crash did, but also because story inconsistencies didn't start happened until Shadow the Hedgehog, what with the moon, Shadow's entire character, and some story beats like the president having a picture of Sonic and Shadow like when??? I also wanted to do that because then the only characters you'd have to reboot would be Blaze and Silver as opposed to all of the Chaotix, Cream, and Omega. I know people bring up the idea of Shadow the Hedgehog being needed to follow up Heroes but honestly that game didn't need to exist. Shadow's arc ended just fine in Heroes and having that loose plot-thread of just what this Shadow was could have been something ambigous that was never answered and left up into interpretation, but I digress. One thing I really liked was your idea on gameplay. Making them all have the same speed is a great start and should always be the case for multiple playable characters in 3D Sonic imo, also wouldn't lead to the problem with the multiple playable characters we had in 06 where they played way too different than each other. I like the ideas presented in how the gameplay styles work and the idea of being able to choose who you play as in each style a la Brawl is pretty genius. The playable character selection itself is pretty perfect. I like the fact that you're not as apprehensive to the Avatar since I know a lot of fans that don't give Forces credit for anything. My only problem is Shade, just because Sega isn't allowed to use her because of Ken Penders being his horrid self, so you'd have to change her to a completely new character entirely unfortunately. The story is where I start to have problems. It's not bad at all mind you, easily better than anything we got after Black Knight and there are things I do like. One is Angel Island staying down which gives Knuckles the perfect reason to go along with Sonic and co. without any difficulties. I also do like how you go against the whole Two Worlds canon thing that Iizuka brought up. I'm not as hateful of it as other Sonic fans are (go watch Sega Scourge's 2 videos on two worlds I think he does a great job defending it), but I much more prefer them being on a singular world. Another is just basically how you represented the charcaters, writing wise they all are on point. I particularly like your point on Sonic, not sure if you've watched it but a youtuber by the name TotallyNotMark did a video on the character Goku from Dragonball and how he represents the flat character arc. It's a lot to describe but he essentially talks about what you have in mind for Sonic. And I absolutely love what you did with Shadow. My problem with the story is just that I don't think it's as action packed as SA1, 2's, and Unleashed's stories. I know this is probably because you're not an expert in the field, you even say that in the video but in terms of scale it doesn't compare. I also don't like how some characters feel irrelevant, Amy and especially Silver don't really do much (I basically had the same issue with Amy in SA2). Silver really just feels like an accesory to Blaze even more so than Blaze felt like an accessory to Silver in 06 because at least in 06, Blaze had the plot relevance of sacrificing herself by sealing the flames of disaster inside of her. I also don't like the catalyst of Charmy being kidnapped either. I know you need a reason for the Heroes to have to give Eggman the Chaos Emeralds but it essentially feels like the same exact thing that happened in SA2 when Eggman was threatening to shoot Amy which I feel was much better done in that instance. So I do think that some rewrites are necessary but I think this premise does have merit to it. I really do love the music segment you had. I dunno but there's something about this fandom that's magical. You mentioned so many fan videos (which most of which I have watched lol), showed fan games, and had the idea of throwing in fan covers/remixes of character themes which I think is a perfect alternative, it's just so crazy to me how dedicated this fan base is. Those last points you made, I honestly couldn't agree with you more. Sonic Mania succeeded because it had a clear goal and focus. Forces had no focus and wanted to do some of everything without being good at any of it. The franchise has lost its identity and it's unfortunate to see. It needs that drive again and it's entirely in the realm of reality. I don't trust Sonic Team to make these games anymore, it's sad but after what happened with Forces I think we need to give this to a team of expereinced developers (like Vicarious did with Crash and Spyro). Give them a budget (the last Sonic game that had a budget was Sonic Unleashed and that was over a decade ago). Get experienced writers (kick Pontaff out, either bring back Maekawa, bring in experienced writers and have them familiarize themselves with the series, or get Ian Flynn and/or Evan Stanley, two fans that have written for the comics and have established themselves as trustworthy of taken up a mainline story). And that's it. It doesn't have to be Adventure 3, I don't care. I just want a Sonic game that is to the level of Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey. Like you said, "Is it probable? Maybe not. But is it possible? Absolutely.". Okay woah super long comment, I'm sorry. But I'm just as passionate about this franchise as you are so I had to get my complete thoughts out there. Once again, amazing video dude. I'm happy I was able to randomly stumble into it by browsing the subreddit lol. Keep up the great work and I'd love to see you make more stuff. Whatever the next Sonic game will be, let's hope it'll be good.
Thanks for the passionate feedback! I totally agree about the story. It's messy and needs more action. That whole section of the video was just me thinking out loud pretty much (though I am pretty passionate about Knuckles' arc as well as the final scene between Sonic and Shadow as well as Cryona's story (I love the idea of Shade fighting Cryona in the past with Shade in the present day watching with her face reflected in the TV screen (all while you're playing as her!))). It's a shame about Shade's whole situation; I honestly knew nothing about that while writing the script *sigh*. Would the story be better if there were fewer characters? Probably, but Infinity War proves that it's possible to tell an effective story with a huge cast, and like Infinity War, this is what I would want out of a finale to the Adventure trilogy. It's not easy, but it's possible (heck, if it was easy to make a masterpiece, the Sonic series wouldn't be where it is). At this point, I'd settle for a 3D game that plays like the Adventure games; even if it's really short, and even if you can only play as Sonic, I just wanna see someone nail 3D gameplay like they did with the Adventure games. That could give the series much-needed momentum for Adventure remakes, and then, hopefully, maybe we can get a proper Sonic Adventure 3.
Oop, my bad haha. Well, the point is that I want an experienced studio to remake the first two Adventure games like Vicarious Visions and Toys for Bob, and then eventually develop the successor. Oh yeah, I really did like what you did with Knuckles and Shadow. It is sad what happened with Shade as I thought she was a really cool character from an otherwise lackluster game. The story-writers of that game tried to tackle lore that the main games have never bothered to which I find commendable in its own right. And I also want to give you props for bringing the idea of combat gameplay as it is rather interesting to see how that could work in a Sonic game if done properly. I do agree with the idea of being able to write a story with many characters but the thing about Infinity War was that it have serveral marvel movies worth of build up. You also had several movies with these characters so you knew a lot about the current cast going in which is a key reason as to why Avengers worked but Justice League didn't (besides the bad story telling lol). Infinity War only introduced us to 4 new characters, those being the Children of Thanos which I think even non comic book fans were able to understand what their purpose was for that movie. So if we're going off of the proxy that this is for a reboot, who's to say we don't get Sonic games in-between releases that give us those introductions to those characters and then that leads us into Sonic Adventure 3 with those characters. After all Blaze was introduced in a side-game as well as Cream (although Cream was intending to debut in Heroes). And yeah I just want a good game period. The last 3D Sonic game I enjoyed was Sonic Generations, that was 9 years ago. And the last Sonic game's story I enjoyed was Black Knight, that was 11 years ago. Just make a game with good gameplay and a good story, I'll even take a subpar story if the gameplay makes up for it. It's just that I want to enjoy this franchise like I did when I was younger. Mania and the success of the Sonic Movie give me hope but I know that that hope can easily falter. But anyways maybe I'll start making videos on my channel again seeing as I haven't done that in forever talking about what I want out of this franchise since every other Sonic UA-camr is doing at this time it seems like since we're in a pretty big drought lol. Once again, great video dude and I hope to see more in the future.
just something about your thoughs that i want to say, silver and blaze would not be the only characters to get a reboot, but shade too (and like you said she could be a problem, but i think they could make with her like dragon ball super did to broly, a completely new and unique version of the old character) and.. kinda the avatar? but i don't know if i like the idea of continuing with sonic heroes, i liked more the cream rebooted version, and her relationship with tails, wanting her to become a hero and discover that she can be more that she thinks. like he did in sonic adventure 1, and this is great. and i would not mind if they would make a reboot of omega and the team dark if it was a good and have the same feeling that they had before the 2010's, and i would not mind if they rebooted the chaotix, they were already a reboot in sonic heroes.
6:15 RIP Vicarious Visions lmao. Literally just announced that they were swallowed whole by Blizzard and will only be helping them develop Blizzard properties from now on. You will be missed.
I'm just stumbling across this video and I have to say. As a long time sonic fan I long for the days of good story telling in a sonic game. Games like Unleashed, Secret Rings, Black Knights, and even 06 to an extent all TRIED to convince you of the story they were telling. Forces doesn't even try to fo that. Some of the best moments of storytelling from Forces were the teaser trailers before the game came out. The way they introduced us to Infinite before launch was the best part of the hype going into Forces. The quick shot with all the villains, his theme being an absolute banger, and his up to par voice acting made him seem like the next big bad guy...then forces dropped and the rest is history. If Sega doesn't see this then I hope some Independent developer does and makes a fan game better than any game post Generations (Mania Excluded). Love the vid.
Okay I've gotta admit that I was expecting to hear an awful fanfiction coming into this video but I was curious because it's been awhile since I've heard someone talk about an idea for Sonic Adventure 3 and I figured why not give this a watch? I'm glad I took the chance because I've gotta be honest, this actually wasn't that bad of a pitch at all. The thing I liked most about it is how you handled the main characters in the story because it felt like it was an ACTUAL progression of the characters what with having a more confident and take charge Amy Rose while still retaining her sweetness, Knuckles semi-withdrawn personality trying to adjust to life away from Angel Island and into civilization, Shadow being a little more open and less angst-ridden letting his guard down just a bit (definitely enjoyed this take compared to what we actually got in canon...), and Tails actually retaining his smarts and self-realized confidence (and how he got a little too carried away trying to inspire Cream when she wasn't ready in your story). You clearly know how the characters work, at least pre Sonic Adventure 2 before they got all weird and off course... I will admit that your character Cryona was a bit... Well I dunno but I do get the idea and it would be interesting. I also like how you incorporated Shade into the story, I didn't play Sonic Brotherhood (and frankly never will) but her story seemed plausible, especially with her getting to know Knuckles. It isn't perfect but it kept my attention and I can see it working with a few tweaks and refining. Only thing I would hope is they for the love of the holy spirit, bring Ryan Drummond back one last time to voice the blue blur if they do plan on making a Sonic Adventure 3. The man loved the role and he can still do the voice so it'd be great to see him reprise Sonic one more time. Anyway great video, I could definitely feel you put a lot of effort and passion into this. At the end of the day if they ever consider making a SA3, they need to do what they did with Mania. Enlist help & feedback from people who KNOW Sonic Adventure in the same way they enlisted feedback and help from classic Sonic fans for Mania. Do this and I'm sure it'll turn out just as good as SA2 was.
1:34:31 Now, I love this idea. You know what it reminds me of? Those 23rd Anniversary and 24th anniversary Sonic tributes, drawn in a traditional style, and serves to show the journey of Sonic and the adventures they’ve all been through. I’m not sure if you know specifically the one I’m talking about, but they’re beautifully done. I have to say though. This was absolutely phenomenal! I’d love to see more stuff like this at some point. I hope when, or even *if* we get SA3, we get something along these lines. Brilliant!
So over all good. Some criticism: Not enough Eggman on the story, I think? I would bump up the Eggman's prescence a whinge more. Maybe it's because this is just a description of a plot but he felt a bit absent, and he had a lot of stuff to do in SA 1/2.
Amazing video. Another thing I think everyone should consider with the SA3 concept are technical gameplay qualities regarding movement, I feel like no one ever thinks about nor mentions it, but the quality of this is really one of the most important things. What I mean are things like how characters simply control and move. Characters in SA2, for example, feel like they have a weight to them, yet a real snappy and responsive feeling to them when we turn and move around. The animations that characters have also reinforce the feeling in many ways, like how their feet movement match the distance and speed they are actually moving, their steps feel like real steps from slow take-off to slowing down when letting go of the control stick. That's something I dread in about every game since SA2, where you'll see sonic basically scroll forward with his steps not matching the ground as he starts to walk/run. Mid-run animations are also more aggressive and it feels right when Sonic and Shadow reach top speed. This has become very cheap in later games where it'll seem like sonic's legs should be moving faster for his speed, and he should be shaking more and bumping up and down from how fast he would be taking his steps (also give back Shadows inline skating animation and scrap the little girl skating her socks on wood floor one lmao). Summersalts also are very subtle in how they're done well in SA2, it's hard to recognize it. Characters don't necesarily just crunch up in to a little ball until they hit the ground, they actually perform a visible summersalt action where they'll ease in to the falling animation after reaching the height of the jump. Then there are little cool things like Sonic/Shadow's spine's bouncing and settling after landing from a jump AKA Rouge's boob physics. Small technical things like these go a long way and will definitely enhance other things like momentum and character physics, and they were done very well already with SA2. Overall, SA3 should definitely go all the way back to SA2's qualities regarding movement and character animation, and simply refine them from there, which it wouldn't really need much.
I have no idea why but I love watching the beginning and ending part of the video after watching the whole 2 hour long video. I just like hearing your thoughts about sonic and how, compared to mine, are similar and reminding me why I love the adventure games and the sonic franchise. Your description of your thoughts are so well put and i just enjoy listening to it.
Hello Lightning2153, I watched your pitch for Sonic Adventure 3. I appreciate the time and effort that you spent on creating a pitch for a new game that contains the same appeal of the original Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2. I'm impressed by how well you managed to take the concepts of the original 2 and create the concept for a new game from it. I would like to discuss your pitch with you in more detail if possible. I'm interested in helping revise and refine your ideas. I would like to see them become a reality. If you're ever interested in making this into a fangame, let me know. I'm willing to contribute. My primary strengths are in game design, programming, and level design, but I have some basic experience in software engineering, modeling, illustration, animation, spriting, writing, sound design, and musical composition.
As for Sonic himself having an arc, ya know like how the Archie Comics, the Fleetway Comics, Sonic Underground, and even the Sonic movie gave Sonic a backstory? Well I’ve always wanted for Sonic to have a backstory within the game continuity as to how he came to be the fastest thing alive, and just overall how he became the character that we know him to be. And yes, a mainline 3D game of that sort.
That'd be sweet! For SA3 specifically though, after the events of Sonic 1 through SA2, I feel like Sonic is at a place where he has come into his own, not just as a hero, but as a leader, and his positive influence on the people around him is what makes him a compelling character.
This wont ever happen, Maekawa teased the possibility of Sonic being a ULF created by Gerald alongside Shadow but he knew he couldnt get away with outright saying it so he buried the hints super deep.
@@KOTEBANAROT I don't remember the exact quote but in the Japanese version (which isnt even the original script which is a shame) Shadow says something like, "Sonic, I think I found out what it means to be the Ultimate Life Form, it means to be like you!" this not only shows how much his respect for Sonic has grown but that he still believes he is the ultimate life form (the cutscene with rouge) no matter what. This also helps with Shadow changing after Amy causing his flashback as he's willing to choose a different path
We really need a canonical backstory for sonic, it’s confirmed he’s some chosen one due the murals in sa1 and 3&k as well as shadow’s statement of sonic being the ultímate life form, but we need indication to his origin
@@rosagomez230 That’s a great idea actually. They should make a future game about Sonic’s origin story. Based on what you just said. And yes, they can call the game "Sonic The Hedgehog". Cause unlike Sonic 06, this one would actually have a reason for that title.
The main things I like from this after watching it a few times: Music choices - They were all amazing if not perfect, special shout out to chosen one and this machine. Characters - I liked how all the characters feel like the characters from the games they were made in, such as shadow, Chaotix and Blaze, and the development of each one was great. Gameplay - I truly do appreciate you telling us the controls and even giving each character types like in sonic heroes, but still be able to make each characters fight in any stage. I love sonic heroes so I love this. Rivalry - One thing that stuck with me that there was subtle hints of sonic and shadow rivalry, such as the ending, the debating to sacrafice and other little parts you can see if you rewatch. And I'm glad it's not about who's better, its about fun which shadow should try more often. No classic sonic or stages - Although I don't hate 2.5 sections on their own, I do feel like they limit the games potential, so thankfully he decided not to add that. World building - One thing that the adventure games did well was world building, and parts in this such as the Chaotix and Angel Island show their can be world building. Silver and Blaze - Although Silver wasn't in the front as much as I would have liked him to be, I still think that his character was still great and he represented hope very well, plus the time travel wasn't complicated as it could've been. Crayona - Crayola-- I mean Crayona was a great character, good motivation and believable villain, plus a super ice god was a nice touch, no pun intended. I just wanna say thank you for making this, although I wasn't a massive Adventure fan before I played sonic adventure 2 a few months ago, I like the elements you brought in to make this great, I love everything about it (especially shadow). I might edit this after watching the video a few more times, but for now this is what I can think of and I truly loved your video.
@2:06:06 Oh, dude. I totally feel your pain. I’m so sick of that ugly “SANIC” meme. Not only was there a SANIC shirt in Sonic Forces, but that stupid meme even made it into the Sonic movie.
This feels like a sonic mania for the modern era it’s just amazing and the story or fan fiction was beautiful I could see this as an actual sonic game or a fan game either way it’s great
Love the pitch dude. This story would be amazing. I feel at the end, there should be a flashback, maybe a quick 5 to 10 second image of Shadow falling. That promts Sonic even more. And it should be the only time you can boost in story. Replacing the spin dash and that should be unlocked as a switch move for the spin dash. Basically the boost you get is seen in the HD models pack on Sonic Adventure 2 PC mods.
I am unreasonably happy that Amy knowingly gave Shadow a hug and he was okay with it Also losing it over the Chaotix doing taxes and Eggman bEING MANIPULATIVE AYYO OH MY GOD CREAM BEING A HERO ON HER OWN IS SO CUTE LET'S GOOOO OH GOD I'M JUST PROCESSING THAT EGGMAN HEARD THE ENTIRE SPEECH ABOUT HOW TO ACTIVATE THE MASTER EMERALD Like I forgot that whole scene that the ant-bot was there until the end and hfgidukgd "We don't take lives, we save them." AYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
AMAZING!! I went from " i aint watching this 2 hour video" to finishing it fully. the heart that went to this, someone who truly believes in SA3!! i love it. sadly, this is next to impossible. Sega and sonic team will never put their all into Sa3 because they've forgotten what makes it special. thank you for this.
This is the true Sonic Adventure 3! It would be interesting. You know, the epilogue is very bittersweet. Blaze and Silver save their future, but as a result the people they knew personally, has no memories of them. They rewrote time, and the frozen world never happened. What will become of those two is now a mystery
Honestly, I was perfectly fine with Big the Cat. There's a couple things you have to keep in mind. First, while the fishing gimmick can be tricky, Big's levels are generally pretty short, and he only has a few of them. You can easily find Froggy's spot near the start of the level, and the only way you'll prolong the levels is if you go out of your way to catch more fish. Essentially, if you like fishing, you can enjoy it, but if you don't, you can breeze through it without much trouble and get on to other things. Second, you're missing Big's primary role in Sonic Adventure: providing a much-needed breather. If you go through order of narrative importance, you'll start with Sonic-Tails-Knuckles, do Amy's story, and then comes Gamma...who has the darkest storyline and a tragic, bittersweet ending. And things don't get much better in the final story, with Chaos wrecking Station Square. In that light, I appreciated just taking it easy with Big for a little bit, letting the tensions wash away before gearing up for the last battle. So I think your fixes for Big are unnecessary. Maybe improve the fishing mechanic a little, give him a couple more attack powers, and enhance the fight against Chaos, and all would be well.
While a gameplay style dedicated to fishing is pretty weird for an action-platformer, as long as they can make the fishing genuinely fun in it's own right, I'm okay with that. I just don't want to use "it's short" as an excuse for including gameplay that isn't fun.
I love that he mentioned Bayonetta because for me that game has the best combat system while mantaining momentum and the game actually rewards you for doing it right
SEGA NEED TO HIRE THIS MAN ASAP He writes better a better story than anyone after 2001 They turned Gerald Robitnik into a good guy in shadow the hedgehog taking away the fact he almost destroyed the whole planet in SA2
@@ronjobimusic Story wise, it was fine. Gameplay wise, it left me the most dissapointed. Blaze was good, Silver was slow and finicky, and Amy just sucked. Not to mention stages like Flame Core that take almost 15 minutes to complete.
That...was...AWESOME!!! The execution, the character development, the story going in depth it’s just perfect it’s like this game sounds like a big French style kiss to the sonic fandom. With the way sega is going with the sonic franchise I lost all hope in the sonic community but after watching this entire video oh my God is this what hope feels like? Thank you Lightning 2153 you restored my faith in the sonic community, because of you my broken sonic fan soul can finally smile again
Honestly despite you not going into as much detail for many characters, I think you nailed Shadows character, that seems exactly how he would act if he remembered the past. Honestly I can't describe this video any more than perfect. You deserve way more subs than you got. Genuine perfection. And thank you for giving a cool personality and arc for shadow I truly do appreciate that.
I think this video is just amazing. The spirit of Sonic hasn't been captured in recent years, but with the movies giving people reason to care about Sonic again, I think there's hope. This story can also still leave open the possibility for some of the other games to happen. We can assume that maybe Team Dark formed later on and maybe Shadow wanting to find more to do can be how a different version of Shadow the Hedgehog happens. Also, Unleashed and Black Knight can still happen with no continuity errors. Also, I love the idea of Eggman just having a time machine.
I was mostly using this as a white noise video for me to watch as I am writing a dnd story based off of poke,on ranger. The Cream Scene where she comes back (where I am rn) honestly made me choke up and get a bit teary eyed. That’s good story telling when you can get someone invested like that when they’re half paying attention
Imagine clicking on an SA3 story pitch, skipping ahead, and the first thing you hear is “Espio sighs and does taxes.”
They should change the game to Espio does taxes simulator.
polar opposite of yoshi commiting tax fraud
''eggman:no matter how fast you are espio,you still cant evade your taxes!!!''
@@Absolbr where that meme come from?
@@silver_kitten someone on tumblr said that Yoshi has never done anything wrong, and someone else replied "yoshi has committed tax fraud." the OP asked for proof, and the other user responded with a picture of Yoshi with a speech bubble reading "i committed tax fraud"
We will most likely never see Shade the Echidna ever again, mainly due to Ken Penders trying to go after Bioware and Sega.
Well, poop
Maybe make a new character in place of shade
@@Lightning-2153 I think it's not the design thats copyrighted but her character and story, an echidna warrior who betrays a criminal echidna army. Not that that's a unique story and the fact that Penders won that is really fucked.
I love the reboot u have for Shade! She's one of my favorite characters.
Edit: Correction, As Robian Knight said, Penders did not win the case against Bioware and SEGA. I mixed up the results with the case against archie.
Penders is a flake anyway.
@@robianknight4001
Penders is still persistent enough to try to go after Sega if they tried to bring back Shade the Echidna. All because she takes some inspiration from Julie-Su. Heck, he is partly why Sega will never be able to get any company; not even Atlus, to work on a direct sequel for Sonic Chronicles.
Missed opportunity to make big say want to play go fish instead of just saying cards
This is one of those comments I look at and am like, "darn, I can't just not like it."
I was... in a state of confusion the second Big was shown in prison... and the only thing to knock me out of my stupor was the laughter you have put upon me. Many thanks.
I'd have said it if you didn't.
That would make me laugh so hard. I love Big so much.
where was that
Silver's psychic knives would be a nice thing to bring back, that way he doesn't have to constantly pick up things to use.
And they still being no use...
Honestly that would be pretty cool to see come back
I just imagined him picking up knives with his phycic powers and wass confused for like a damm minute
IT'S NO USE!!
Right? I mean screw it, Shadow already has Chaos Spear, and not to mention Chaos Control and Blaze shooting fire in her Burning form. No reason to force Silver to be stuck with a more "grounded" super power like telekinesis on pre-existing objects.
Let's get this madman to level 100 Conjuration! *CONJURE ME A NUKE, SILVER!!! BLOW THIS EGG BASTARD AWAY FOR GOOD!*
Something that frustrates me about the unwillingness to revisit the adventure formula is that it also benefits the DEVELOPERS.
The boost formula is cool but extremely creatively restrictive. You can’t do a whole lot with it in terms of level design.
The adventure formula is inherently “level focused” and had an emphasis on the player exploring and using the level itself to reach their goals. The devs would have a LOT more variety and creative freedom if they went with the adventure formula again
Lol didn’t expect to see you here. Also I agree with you 100%. Of the devs went back to using the Adventure formula we would have more Sonic games and not be stuck in this drought
SA also isn't nearly as fast as Boost, so stages don't need to be nearly as big as a Boost game's. They have to be more depthful given the freer level navigation though, which is a good thing in my eyes.
boost is enough. I want to see Sonic Team to bring back the Adventure Formula. TBH, I highly doubt that, SEGA is going to use boost again thanks to Forces.
Peter Parker LNG is also a Sonic fan. Lesser known for it, but yeah
Honestly, I feel like there's a place for the boost system. Like how it was in Sonic 06 where certain parts of the stage, you had to run super fast to get to the end because that was the objective. I feel like that's the best place to put the boost system in Adventure game stages.
This feels like the greatest fanfic I’ve ever experienced. Honestly, you need to make more videos like this one.
This and xtale are the greatest pieces of fan work I've ever seen
Don’t forget The Immortal Pines. That was was ....
AMAZING
@@thepastaprogenitor851 I see you are a man of culture as well. Love XTale and it's characters.
I'd also like to point out that one act of this pitch did a better war story than all of forces.
But hey who am I to judge? I actually enjoyed forces a little.
This video actually gave me some Sonic Forces vibes with so many characters.
@@mr.fox8011 But better than Forces, I'm hoping.
@@mr.fox8011 The difference is that the characters actually did something in this, and not in forces. Lol
I just want Sonic to be treated with respect again, instead of a joke...
TJ HedgeScout I hate the sonic fanbase it ruined sonic
@@wahoo. Yeah the fanbase is super divided... It's so bad that Sega and Sonic Team don't know who to listen to, so instead they listen to the loudest voice. :(
I’ve got a time machine. Let’s kill 06 while it’s a baby.
@@blockyvids2 I would say, why not just turn it into a different game?
Change the story, delay the game so it's less buggy. Anything to help keep sonic from going down this dark path.
@@tjhedgescout3052 sure.
"we don't take lives, we save them." was such a good line
@Paul Bell 1:17:25
@Paul Bell the *ULTIMATE EDGY LIFE FORM* shadow
Ahmen
Just shows this guy understands the characters unlike sega no offence
"Leave the button pushing to the adults"
- Vector the crocodile
This was such an incredible video. Thank you for making this, it reminds me just why I still continue to believe in Sonic even after all these years
me too
Same maybe things can go back to normal but for now sayonara Sonic The hedgehog
*crying salute meme intensifies* i will wait for you Sonic, to return in all your glory!!!
Bruh I teared up a bit. I played the adventure games only a couple of weeks ago and I fell in love with the franchise again after many years and I would love your SA3 pitch to actually become a real game (or at least something similar bc of the whole situation with Penders and stuff) and of course polishing some details. Like I forgot how much joy this franchise gave me.
Your video needs more views seriously you're criminally underrated.
Agreed
Thank you for giving silver another chance
@Rad Raspberry Raz The Fox but he uses his psychokinesis to throw items
Silver is the most use
@Rad Raspberry Raz The Fox don’t forget you could play as him in a flying level and then he could have flying gameplay
@@phoenixablaze166 *Boxes!*
Wish he turned super tho.
I mean, the "one of us must die" scene is a perfect example of Sonic being Sonic. He defies the odds every time when they're stacked against him.
I'd say nothing wrong with it!
Agreed
Y'know, I had an idea:
Imagine if Cryona was a child Echidna who just so happened to touch the Snow Sapphire (My attempt at renaming it), and because she had prolonged exposure to it, its power transferred itself to her.
Eggman from 2006 (The timeline where 06 never happened) went back in time, to a point where Perfect Chaos already attacked, and found Cryona as one of the survivors. He takes her in the current time, and grooms her to become his "perfect soldier" like Ghetsis did to N.
That is so evil. I love it.
@@CynthiaTheSilly eggman just waned a cupcake
@@a.j.chaisson8740AW HELL NAW BRUH💀📸
@@CynthiaTheSilly Not even a social outcasty thing. Grooming is just a common thing in UA-cam nowadays, which is completely and utterly awful, but sadly, normal.
@@CynthiaTheSillyGr0Om1ng isn't "drama", it destroys lives by traumatizing innocent victims.
That's an amazing way to reintroduce Shade and a new character in the game without any issue with dealing with Ken Penders
Agreed
Even if SA3 never gets made in our lifetimes, this video alone, this godly presentation would leave me satisfied as a definitive game itself., and I am happy that Sonic Adventure 3 *exists* in the form of this 2 hour pitch.
Amen
Hecc yes. Honestly I love this dearly.
Amen
I'm actually crying at that moment with Knuckles, Shade and Rouge all talking together. This entire story was incredible!
Agreed
Imagine making a fan fiction that is better then some of the official work
so many honesty
I've got an idea for a game. Who's The Richest In The Comments? Round 1: 'If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say "Sega should hire you!"...'
I mean, how much does it say (about Sega) if you hear it time & time again? It still hasn't lost relevance
Considering how bad official Sonic writing can get, that’s not a very high bar to cross.
@@leafyfeathers See, if he said *most* it would most probably be a different story (the pun wasn't intentional, I promise)
It happens a lot more than you think.
the fact that SA3 could save the Sonic franchise singlehandedly is mind blowing, and stressfully crucial.
Agreed
@@yellowstarproductions6743 totally forgot about this comment! and I still stand by it! imagine how much they'd have to make up for due to the last one we officially got. a heck of a gap to make up for lost time. the pressure would be out of this solar system.
As Tails says "True dat"
Back in the day when Sonic was still trying to recover from 06 then maybe but now? Sadly not. This franchise has gone through too much irreparable damage to "save" it from pumping out bad games. Not that Sega could even handle the mere concept of adventure 3 anyway.
@@ashuraomega1000 yeah for sure. I was definitely going to say, the gap is too long now to save it. But I don't blame them for not making another one ever.
Those last 20 minutes of the video is just... Wow. You took the words straight from my mouth and i can’t describe how cathartic it felt to see someone else who understands the soul of sonic and what he means to me
I entirely agree with you. Even though I’m finding this video as well as comment a few years too late… I believe what he said in the video still could apply now, even with the release of sonic frontiers. There is clearly a bit of work to be done in terms of just consistency as mentioned, but that will have to wait until we get a new mainline game a few years from now. Please keep in mind I haven’t beat frontiers yet, and I’m just talking off of what I’ve seen so far playing that game. (If you played it, please feel free to your feedback on it, if I can bring you back from this 2 year old comment 😅) But when he showed clips from unleashed, CD, the SA1 intro ( 2:08:19 ), it brought be back to playing Sonic Adventure 1&2 on the Dreamcast. Sonic adventure left me inspired as a kid, and it really felt that each character what important for who they were. Sonic adventure 2 unleashed a whole new level of depth to me. I’ve never seen any form of media as a kid that just brought so much emotion, much like how he felt with Gamma’s ending in SA1, that’s the game that truly sealed the deal for me. He’s right. The Adventure games are truly masterpieces just because of the fact they know what they are, and looking back, each character in both games had *depth* and emotion that I feel weren’t really matched in the last ~5 or so years I feel. Sorry for a bit of a post-video rant under your 2 year old comment, but assuming you read all of this I hope you’d agree ✌️
26:18 "The Avatar will have a pretty small role in the plot."
*Literally has only one solo stage.*
*Gets frozen half to death*
*Gets overrun by robots and have to have Omega save their tails*
Yeah, that checks out...
Went from Sonic's equal to Cryona's punching bag...
It's almost as if there was no point to having them in it what so ever
@@jameswagstaff984 Really the only point is to bulk up the roster and have a customizable character for fun.
@@SobiTheRobot Did it work for forces
I like how you said tails instead of a-
“Did you guys have to run really fast past a sign post” I just imagine Blaze and Silver look at Sonic like he’s the crazy one
you are criminally underrated.
He deserves way more subscribers
Honestly yes. I’m about half way through (bathroom break) and am BLOWN away by the characterization with Shadow, Tails, Blaze, Sonic, Shade, Omega, and Knuckles being highlights. Like wow dude.
@@Swissroll91 it's all so good!
Truth
Exactly
I really don’t get why people seem to ignore how SA2 proved there’s a way to have many playable characters without bloating the number of playstyles. Glad you factored that in by having “skins” for each of the playstyles. I honestly don’t care if Blaze is just a sonic clone with none of her fire abilities or if Omega is treated like a living organism in terms of water and stuff, I just want to play as them again!
I do think the having every character be able to play every stage is way too ambitious though. Sounds like a great avenue for fan modding if the base game is designed in an easy-to-mod way.
Exactly! They could just do 3 different play styles and add skins with new characters as unlockables during missions and such
I mean... you did only get 6 Sonic stages.
@Ali Mohammed when you can't properly execute the ambitious ideas
I really like it when Shadow says "Charmy needs Us"..
Deep inside he cares about all his friends.
Whisper instead of the avatar makes loads of sense. Uses hover to hover, lazer for shooting,and stuff
Maybe Whisper AND tangle? Have it play like some SOS missions in forces where you swap avatars with the press of a button
@@veronviper06 Maybe Tangle instead of the avatar?
Hmm...SEGA did get to use her and Tangle in Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces Speed Battle, so I'd like to see them in a console
egular handheld game. (For the record, I consider Mobile Games to be handheld games.)
@@gregzotter6189 we can all hope
@@veronviper06 pp
Come back When you have a stray dog.
And money.
Keep that joke in the rewrites. That was great.
That was indeed the funniest thing I've seen out of Sonic since the Snapcube fandubs.
It was "missing dog"
How about a missing Frog? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Honestly Lightning's a hilarious scriptwriter, his lines are pure gold.
Everyone: Who tf is Shade?
Me, who played Dark Chronicles: . . .
Lol, but tbh, I feel like Shade is a bit too obscure to include in this game...at least not without some form of explanation of who she is and why she's here.
For all intents and purposes, she's getting rebooted in this pitch, so there's no need to explain her past from Dark Brotherhood. Also, They put Charmy, Vector, and Espio into Heroes without exposing about Knuckles Chaotix (because they were rebooted as well as far as I'm aware).
Legit Brotherhood aint canon so they can rework the character
@@hwanniggles187 and brotherhood ends on cliff hanger that can’t be followed up so yeah just reboot her character
The fact that she’s obscure doesn’t really matter for her inclusion. Ken Penders is the reason she wouldn’t/can’t be added.
Obscurity doesn't really matter much, it invites people to do research and find out more about the characters they love rather than letting the game tell them everything and hold their hand through every single expositional piece for every character. That's something that Sonic games have done right for a long time is not reintroducing older characters as if they're brand new over and over. Once they're a part of it, they're in later games (usually, with some exceptions) most of the time. Blaze, just so happens to be one. She went from some small, off track games to primary ones pretty quickly. Sonic 06 doesn't exactly count in my book as she was first introduced in Sonic Rush. Without 06, a lot of people wouldn't even know her.
It's a "Dystopia" if it's a utopia(gone wrong), like if it's one type of person's idea of a paradise but it's awful for another type of person.
Silver and Blaze's future is "Post-Apocalyptic", because the apocalypse already happened.
Excellent video! SEGA should hire you.
just a fallout game with silver or blaze
34:30 an idea to augment this flashback even more effectively:
Maybe have this scene play as you idle on the start screen, sort of like the prologue of the first 2 Paper Mario games. It settles one last unanswered question about the SA games (that being what has even happened to the Master Emerald since 2001) and can serve as foreshadowing for the future Knuckles is in for.
Agreed
I'm not head over heels for the story pitch, since I feel like its juggling too many plot lines and not giving any of them enough attention. It's a self-admittedly unrefined story, but I feel like that'd be the case no matter how much it was fleshed out. Silver, for example, ends up being about as auxiliary as Blaze is in '06, so I think that in theory, both characters are better served by starring in their own stories instead of competing for relevance in that way. I enjoyed the video though, and there are definitely good moments, like Shadow's attempted sacrifice, and I really like the idea of Angel Island bring permanently grounded now that Chaos is gone.
Admittedly, I figured out the playable cast before writing the story, so I tried to figure out how to fit everyone into it. Silver and Amy in particular are here for gameplay reasons more than story reasons, but I tried to give them cool moments, like Amy reaching out to Omega and Silver saving Cryona.
This huge cast is what I want out of an Adventure game, kinda like The Avengers movies, but future non-adventure games should have smaller casts, kinda like the non-Avengers Marvel movies.
I'd love to see Silver get his own game 😁
Personally, I'd want SA3's story to be more grounded, with about six characters being playable.
I'd also rather the villain be an anthro character with his own personality, goals, etc, and not just another kaiju.
@@Electro21964 I think it makes more sense to have the final baddie be a big monster, simply because that's the way it was done for Heroes, 06, and Unleashed, all games that have the most relation to the Sonic Adventure series which also do things in this way.
someone send this to SEGA
Seriously, this is what modern sonic needs. Like now dude.
If they somehow mess up his big 30th anniversary this franchise is dead to me.
Yellow Lad if Nintendo can do it, sega can do
Because sega does what nintendont
On it
Sega will just throw it in the bin sadly
Honestly, Big's story isn't the one I think needs to be improved the most: I think it's Amy's. She only got three levels - fewer than Big - and they could have done more with her. At the very least, I think they could have padded on a couple more levels.
For instance, the area in Station Square where Zero first arrives in a cut scene is close to one of the entrances to Speed Highway. So Amy could have done the first level there before even meeting up with Sonic. Or switch things around so her escape from the Egg Carrier takes her through Sky Deck - and she enters Hot Shelter later when searching for Birdy's family.
I like it. Overall, I think Zero needs to be more of a threat.
I agree. Say, have you played Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil? It's a great game, but anyways, there's this one arc where you're in this factory world and you end up fighting this defense robot. Then in the next level, where the whole place is on the verge of blowing up, the robot gets back up and pursues you to the death. It gave the sense of a determined, dangerous machine that just won't quit.
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Also, they could do more jump scares where Zero suddenly ambushes you, or there's a hint that he's close, like with Samus's infected armor in Metroid Fusion.
Big's story should be scrapped altogether and replaced by eggman or adding metal sonic to the mix
Bigs story is fine, just dont make it essential, and leave it in as a extra. People overhate it way too much, when it was meant to be a joke campaign. Big's character is a joke for crying out loud
Exactly! I played Big right after Gamma's route, and the goofy cat's wacky fishing adventures were just what I needed to let go of the melancholy I had after Gamma's bittersweet ending.
That was beautiful, I really love the story you crafted. Cryona is a great OC, and the fact that you incorporate a few ideas from existing canon is great, like introducing another gemstone with a unique power, like the Phantom Ruby or Warp Topaz.
Agreed
Ok, ok. I’ve finally gotten to watching this whole thing and can I just say it is so comforting to find someone who still cares so much about the Sonic series, every part of it. I especially appreciated the emphasis on the story - it may have been bare bones but I loved it all the same. These characters have made such a huge impact on me and I love them to pieces. You respect all of them so well. I hope that Sonic Team realizes that they just can’t please everyone and focus on making what they want to make.
Agreed
“Did you have to run really fast past a post?” These are the good type of jokes I wanna see.
I couldn't stop laughing when he said that line XD
I was so gone 🤣🤣🤣
That one joke was better than ALL of Pontaff's jokes in Colors, Lost World, & Forces
yes this line is incredible
Lmfao
You had me at no 2d stages.
Me too
Sonic Team: Nah we got something better at home
Sonic Team House: SOnIc fOrCeS 2
You mean the fake leak?
So sad, but so accurate.
This is actually very creative.! I loved the moment where Silver and Blaze go back to the future and they look at the time machine thinking about going back to Sonic and the gang..
I wish they made that a little clearer though.
You really nailed everything that makes Sonic so wonderful. Thanks for the effort and the genuine passion.
Agreed
This made me smile a lot and reminded me of the IDW comics. For an actual SA3 it’s maybe a little fanficy, but the game play and main story points are 100% fire
Agreed
This is one of the best sonic videos I have ever seen in my UA-cam recommendations. Watching kinda felt like a movie in a way and it was great.
This is the among my favorite videos I've seen across all my years on this website. Thank you.
P.S, you have an unironically really good Shadow and Knuckles voice.
Heh. I feel like a Shadow759 wannabe 🤣
@@Lightning-2153 Lmao!
What was the best one you saw
@@AceTrainerSquirtle Spider-man: Cake day
Even if something like this doesn't come to fruition, I'd love to see this story realized as a fan creation!
Me too
Want to know my favorite line in this video?
"Shadow chuckles, 'I guess some things never change.'" XD
Me too
41:26 agreed, my favorite as well
I would cry tears of joy when something similar to this becomes the 30th anniversary game!
But then it turns out to be sonic forces 2!
@@Yoshter97 Oh no.
@@Yoshter97 Let's hope Sonic Forces 2 DOESN'T become a thing. We need SA3.
Yes because i love the original adventure games sonic adventure 1 my favorite I dislike the sonic colors story’s and tails will do something not crying for sonic.
@@Yoshter97 tbh the sonic lost world tails was a chad
Such a beautiful video and i totally agree with the fact that Sonic is now seen as a joke to a point to be bullied several times just because i like Sonic.
i really hope someone at SEGA watches this video, not because i want an your SA3 (even if i really like your ideas) but just so that SEGA understand that us Sonic fans are tired of Sonic being a joke.Thanks for this great video
Thanks! And honestly, I'm really not married to this story or anything; I just threw together this video to show just how much I want to see Sonic return to being awesome. If I could throw together this story in a few days, imagine what a team of devs who truly understand the Adventure games could accomplish.
it almost felt like i was playing the game watching this. beautiful work
This is a GREAT pitch, honestly! The writing for the characters, Shadow and the Chaotix in particular, are fantastic. This actually inspires me to finally make my own pitch for a Sonic game.
Agreed
Even if we don’t get a SA3, I think Sega has finally learned their lesson. With them hiring Ian Flynn, retconning two worlds, and not doing memes as much anymore. Some may call me gullible, and I’ll admit things could still go wrong, but things are finally looking up.
After the second Sonic movie and hearing Flynn is writing Frontiers, I’m feeling more than a little confident about the blue blurs future
@@autobotproductions1244 Same.
Ian is certainly a better fit for Sonic than Pontaff, but I worry he may carry on the tradition of having Sonic’s quips continuing for more than 3 seconds.
I also worry he might drag out a single plot point for 20 levels while doing nothing to resolve it, because seriously, the Metal Virus Arc could have ended in 5 issues and we would have lost NOTHING of value
@@tonyhakston536Thanks for showing you know nothing about the difference between writing for a comic book series vs a game. I'm guessing you don't know how comics work. I don't even like Idw (I'm an Archie guy) and even I think those complaints are stupid.
@@tonyhakston536 He writes Sonic like the freebird he's supposed to be and not a blue comedian who saved the world multiple times and relax, its a game, not a series.
The fact that he does the voices and everything shows just how passionate he is, I love it
Agreed
I just watched the entire video
I went from being interested in the gameplay to absolutely hooked up with the narrative to thrilled with the music and in complete agreement with the franchise reputation
The gameplay, i couldn't have imagined it any better, the game just sounds so fun and innovative with the combat mode, i'm all for it
The music, man..... Just... I love this fanbase
And about the story, i can see why some would not like to retcon everything post SA2
That would mean:
No Team Dark
No Sol Dimension and Sol Emeralds
No Neo Metal Sonic
No Black Arms
And No Light and Dark Gaia
But.... You mentioned this game as a turning point, all the other games Pre Lost World shouldn't be retconed
In AL The Boi's latest video (Why Sonic Unleashed Opening Works) i commented about how i would connect the whole series from Sonic 1 to Unleashed (he even responded, the dude is awesome) i would rewrite Shadow's game and all that but your pitch for SA3 would fill perfectly in between SA2 and Heroes (or continue with that cliffhanger from the future)
Being said all that
I LOVE YOUR HISTORY
The characters are on point, and it connects so smoothly with SA and SA2
I love the cohesion with starting at Ice Cap setting the Chill narrative and foreshadowing with the question of "why it's always cold there?", it feels like world building not for nostalgia sake
Things that i love:
- That Angel Island is now on the sea, everything makes sense with Chaos at peace
- That you included humans in the story
- The way the conflict begins
- The Chaotix just being themselves
- The interactions between characters
- Shadow's lack of amnesia and that you continued his arc and personality of SA2
- The new introductions of Omega - Shade - Blaze - Silver - Cream - The Chaotix and The avatar, wow i was just thinking of leaving the concept but you conviced me that is worth the try
- Charmy playing Jet Set Radio, that would be a great gag with every game, Charmy just playing other SEGA games
- Crayona, her story and character just sounds great (the Silent Saphire just works so well)
- The way the story it's structured, with a linear story (the DLC sounds lit) the set of groups, the conversations, the locations, during the story part i was getting chills after chills for the Grand Adventure feel
- The Kajus are neat and all but, having another animal character as the final boss, i mean, were you reading my mind?
- The ending, man i couldn't help but to smile as i was listening, it's just perfect
- The serious tone but with charm
Now... I did feel that Silver was underutilized, but i mean with everyone shining this much someone had to pay a little, but it isn't something that sequels couldn't improve (check AL The Boi's vídeo on Silver)
And at some point i was like "oh yeah, the avatar" but i don't see that as a problem, nobody wants such a good cast being overshadow by a custom character
After the story ended i was like "man now they can make a Blaze and Silver game", like, they can use the Time Stones and maybe with time travel there can be a Mephiles
Also there can be a game for only Team Chaotix as an open world
You make wish for the future of the franchise with that ending
You put the bases for a great sequel:
Fix, Expand and Preserve
Seriously man i love the video and if we ever get SA3 i want this video to be the mold
Sorry for my English
Grettings from México
Neo Metal Sonic's plot of Heroes can be brought back.
The Black Arms plot i rewrite it in AL The Boi's video from Unleashed (The comment section).
The storybook series can fit wherever.
The Advance stories can also come back.
The Sol Dimension can still exist maybe with it's own Blaze.
Colors with the DS writting please.
Generations with more deep cutscenes and interactions.
Even Lost World, the IDW comics make me think that the Lost Hex can work
Give the Phatom Ruby another story.
We can have the new cronology and fit the other games
So the cannon doesn't sacrifice other beloved stories
Tl;dR
"sonic chuckles..."
my brain: "i'd rather flex my muscles"
I'm hard as knuckles, it ain't hard to chuckle, I break em down whether they're Sonic or Knuckles
@@SobiTheRobot Cleane yourself
no
Lmfaoooo
I know I'm kind of a year late, but this was an amazing pitch and the final segment was very thought-provoking. Wonderful job!
Agreed
I really hope they can build upon the world of Sonic Unleashed. Sega put an insane amount of love into those parts of the world. I’d love to explore Chun-Nan as Blaze during a fireworks festival at night or Cream in Empire City as she gazes down upon the city from the roof of a skyscraper.
Agreed.
You....You actually made me almost cry. This was awesome to watch. The passion, the play, and the confidence in how this franchise can be amazing is just so heart warming. I loved it, every bit of this, and how Sonic works. Sonic is my childhood! And I will never forget or give up hope on it gaining the love it deserves, and the passion it will regain!
Dawg, the beginning of the story is so funny. Sonic choking on a chili dog, Knuckles staring at Shade, Omega pointing at Tails “You..!” dawg this is the good food
Agreed
I just watched a 2 hour game AD FREE and loved it all
Me too
I also want to help with this like the stage names. Here’s a list of them: Arctic Base, Frozen Lab, Badnik Chaos, Arsenal Escape, Chrome Bunker, Jungle Madness, Gadget Dome, Fortress Hall, Electric Skirmish, Hideaway Corridor, Invaded City, Metro Heights, Highway Dash, Neon Battlefield, Ancient Quest, Lost Ruins, Ocean Sanctum, Mountain Outskirts, Cavern Peak, Summit Gorge, Eggtropolis Rush, Robotic Warzone, Fierce Showdown, Upward Chase, Hazardous Countdown, and Final Tower
This was in my recommendations and I was so happy that I clicked and watched. I love your story pitch and choice of multiple characters playing a role and I love that Kunckles plays a major role in the game.
Agreed.
I almost cried the first time I saw this. This is just a masterpiece right here, this guy needs more attention.
When the video ended, I sat for nearly 5 whole minutes in silence...
Dude, that was incredible. I don't really know what to say that describes this other than: "wow" and "that was a masterpiece"
In truth: I started this channel because I as well as many others that tapped out of the franchise have come back because fans like you, like Christian Whitehead, and even the youtubers who role play as Sonic characters (Tails and Sonic Pals etc) continue to express their love and passion for Sonic and thus kept the franchise alive, relevant and even helped it rise in popularity. At this time especially after the success of the movie, I have newfound love for the franchise that I haven't felt in years, and because of that I really want Sonic to be a respectable franchise again. Your video brings hope for that because it made me fully rediscover why I loved Sonic in the first place. *Thank you!*
That's awesome to hear that my video really meant something to you 🙂
I rarely upload to my channel anymore (and I honestly don't have any plans for future videos), so I'd like to think that I've got something important to say with this one.
I disagree heavily with the story.
@@Electro21964 how come?
@@Echostooge234 Too much nostalgia pandering, too many characters, I don't really like the villain.
@@Electro21964 How would you go about doing the story?
Wow. Just wow. This was an amazing video. I can tell just how much heart went into this. 2 HOURS! And I sat here and watched it all. You've gained a subscriber my friend, and I hope to see more from you. But I want to offer my own thoughts about the whole thing.
For one, you have the exact same idea as me. Remaking Adventure 1 and 2 and then soft-rebooting the franchise with Adventure 3. Now for me I've also entertained the idea of remaking Heroes as well, for one just so we have a trilogy just like Spyro and Crash did, but also because story inconsistencies didn't start happened until Shadow the Hedgehog, what with the moon, Shadow's entire character, and some story beats like the president having a picture of Sonic and Shadow like when??? I also wanted to do that because then the only characters you'd have to reboot would be Blaze and Silver as opposed to all of the Chaotix, Cream, and Omega. I know people bring up the idea of Shadow the Hedgehog being needed to follow up Heroes but honestly that game didn't need to exist. Shadow's arc ended just fine in Heroes and having that loose plot-thread of just what this Shadow was could have been something ambigous that was never answered and left up into interpretation, but I digress.
One thing I really liked was your idea on gameplay. Making them all have the same speed is a great start and should always be the case for multiple playable characters in 3D Sonic imo, also wouldn't lead to the problem with the multiple playable characters we had in 06 where they played way too different than each other. I like the ideas presented in how the gameplay styles work and the idea of being able to choose who you play as in each style a la Brawl is pretty genius. The playable character selection itself is pretty perfect. I like the fact that you're not as apprehensive to the Avatar since I know a lot of fans that don't give Forces credit for anything. My only problem is Shade, just because Sega isn't allowed to use her because of Ken Penders being his horrid self, so you'd have to change her to a completely new character entirely unfortunately.
The story is where I start to have problems. It's not bad at all mind you, easily better than anything we got after Black Knight and there are things I do like. One is Angel Island staying down which gives Knuckles the perfect reason to go along with Sonic and co. without any difficulties. I also do like how you go against the whole Two Worlds canon thing that Iizuka brought up. I'm not as hateful of it as other Sonic fans are (go watch Sega Scourge's 2 videos on two worlds I think he does a great job defending it), but I much more prefer them being on a singular world. Another is just basically how you represented the charcaters, writing wise they all are on point. I particularly like your point on Sonic, not sure if you've watched it but a youtuber by the name TotallyNotMark did a video on the character Goku from Dragonball and how he represents the flat character arc. It's a lot to describe but he essentially talks about what you have in mind for Sonic. And I absolutely love what you did with Shadow.
My problem with the story is just that I don't think it's as action packed as SA1, 2's, and Unleashed's stories. I know this is probably because you're not an expert in the field, you even say that in the video but in terms of scale it doesn't compare. I also don't like how some characters feel irrelevant, Amy and especially Silver don't really do much (I basically had the same issue with Amy in SA2). Silver really just feels like an accesory to Blaze even more so than Blaze felt like an accessory to Silver in 06 because at least in 06, Blaze had the plot relevance of sacrificing herself by sealing the flames of disaster inside of her. I also don't like the catalyst of Charmy being kidnapped either. I know you need a reason for the Heroes to have to give Eggman the Chaos Emeralds but it essentially feels like the same exact thing that happened in SA2 when Eggman was threatening to shoot Amy which I feel was much better done in that instance. So I do think that some rewrites are necessary but I think this premise does have merit to it.
I really do love the music segment you had. I dunno but there's something about this fandom that's magical. You mentioned so many fan videos (which most of which I have watched lol), showed fan games, and had the idea of throwing in fan covers/remixes of character themes which I think is a perfect alternative, it's just so crazy to me how dedicated this fan base is.
Those last points you made, I honestly couldn't agree with you more. Sonic Mania succeeded because it had a clear goal and focus. Forces had no focus and wanted to do some of everything without being good at any of it. The franchise has lost its identity and it's unfortunate to see. It needs that drive again and it's entirely in the realm of reality. I don't trust Sonic Team to make these games anymore, it's sad but after what happened with Forces I think we need to give this to a team of expereinced developers (like Vicarious did with Crash and Spyro). Give them a budget (the last Sonic game that had a budget was Sonic Unleashed and that was over a decade ago). Get experienced writers (kick Pontaff out, either bring back Maekawa, bring in experienced writers and have them familiarize themselves with the series, or get Ian Flynn and/or Evan Stanley, two fans that have written for the comics and have established themselves as trustworthy of taken up a mainline story). And that's it. It doesn't have to be Adventure 3, I don't care. I just want a Sonic game that is to the level of Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey. Like you said, "Is it probable? Maybe not. But is it possible? Absolutely.".
Okay woah super long comment, I'm sorry. But I'm just as passionate about this franchise as you are so I had to get my complete thoughts out there. Once again, amazing video dude. I'm happy I was able to randomly stumble into it by browsing the subreddit lol. Keep up the great work and I'd love to see you make more stuff. Whatever the next Sonic game will be, let's hope it'll be good.
Thanks for the passionate feedback!
I totally agree about the story. It's messy and needs more action. That whole section of the video was just me thinking out loud pretty much (though I am pretty passionate about Knuckles' arc as well as the final scene between Sonic and Shadow as well as Cryona's story (I love the idea of Shade fighting Cryona in the past with Shade in the present day watching with her face reflected in the TV screen (all while you're playing as her!))). It's a shame about Shade's whole situation; I honestly knew nothing about that while writing the script *sigh*.
Would the story be better if there were fewer characters? Probably, but Infinity War proves that it's possible to tell an effective story with a huge cast, and like Infinity War, this is what I would want out of a finale to the Adventure trilogy. It's not easy, but it's possible (heck, if it was easy to make a masterpiece, the Sonic series wouldn't be where it is).
At this point, I'd settle for a 3D game that plays like the Adventure games; even if it's really short, and even if you can only play as Sonic, I just wanna see someone nail 3D gameplay like they did with the Adventure games. That could give the series much-needed momentum for Adventure remakes, and then, hopefully, maybe we can get a proper Sonic Adventure 3.
(not to be a know-it-all, but the Spyro Reignited Trilogy was made by Toys for Bob, not Vicarious Visions)
Oop, my bad haha. Well, the point is that I want an experienced studio to remake the first two Adventure games like Vicarious Visions and Toys for Bob, and then eventually develop the successor.
Oh yeah, I really did like what you did with Knuckles and Shadow. It is sad what happened with Shade as I thought she was a really cool character from an otherwise lackluster game. The story-writers of that game tried to tackle lore that the main games have never bothered to which I find commendable in its own right. And I also want to give you props for bringing the idea of combat gameplay as it is rather interesting to see how that could work in a Sonic game if done properly.
I do agree with the idea of being able to write a story with many characters but the thing about Infinity War was that it have serveral marvel movies worth of build up. You also had several movies with these characters so you knew a lot about the current cast going in which is a key reason as to why Avengers worked but Justice League didn't (besides the bad story telling lol). Infinity War only introduced us to 4 new characters, those being the Children of Thanos which I think even non comic book fans were able to understand what their purpose was for that movie. So if we're going off of the proxy that this is for a reboot, who's to say we don't get Sonic games in-between releases that give us those introductions to those characters and then that leads us into Sonic Adventure 3 with those characters. After all Blaze was introduced in a side-game as well as Cream (although Cream was intending to debut in Heroes).
And yeah I just want a good game period. The last 3D Sonic game I enjoyed was Sonic Generations, that was 9 years ago. And the last Sonic game's story I enjoyed was Black Knight, that was 11 years ago. Just make a game with good gameplay and a good story, I'll even take a subpar story if the gameplay makes up for it. It's just that I want to enjoy this franchise like I did when I was younger. Mania and the success of the Sonic Movie give me hope but I know that that hope can easily falter.
But anyways maybe I'll start making videos on my channel again seeing as I haven't done that in forever talking about what I want out of this franchise since every other Sonic UA-camr is doing at this time it seems like since we're in a pretty big drought lol. Once again, great video dude and I hope to see more in the future.
Or for the music you could use secret final boss theme
just something about your thoughs that i want to say, silver and blaze would not be the only characters to get a reboot, but shade too (and like you said she could be a problem, but i think they could make with her like dragon ball super did to broly, a completely new and unique version of the old character) and.. kinda the avatar? but i don't know if i like the idea of continuing with sonic heroes, i liked more the cream rebooted version, and her relationship with tails, wanting her to become a hero and discover that she can be more that she thinks. like he did in sonic adventure 1, and this is great. and i would not mind if they would make a reboot of omega and the team dark if it was a good and have the same feeling that they had before the 2010's, and i would not mind if they rebooted the chaotix, they were already a reboot in sonic heroes.
6:15 RIP Vicarious Visions lmao. Literally just announced that they were swallowed whole by Blizzard and will only be helping them develop Blizzard properties from now on. You will be missed.
Rest In Pieces
quite sad seeing them being put aside after making so many great games.
I'm just stumbling across this video and I have to say. As a long time sonic fan I long for the days of good story telling in a sonic game. Games like Unleashed, Secret Rings, Black Knights, and even 06 to an extent all TRIED to convince you of the story they were telling. Forces doesn't even try to fo that. Some of the best moments of storytelling from Forces were the teaser trailers before the game came out. The way they introduced us to Infinite before launch was the best part of the hype going into Forces. The quick shot with all the villains, his theme being an absolute banger, and his up to par voice acting made him seem like the next big bad guy...then forces dropped and the rest is history. If Sega doesn't see this then I hope some Independent developer does and makes a fan game better than any game post Generations (Mania Excluded). Love the vid.
I'm getting into game development, so I'll tell you there is hope.
I agree, speed stages need to emphasize skill rather than just speed alone.
Agreed.
Okay I've gotta admit that I was expecting to hear an awful fanfiction coming into this video but I was curious because it's been awhile since I've heard someone talk about an idea for Sonic Adventure 3 and I figured why not give this a watch? I'm glad I took the chance because I've gotta be honest, this actually wasn't that bad of a pitch at all. The thing I liked most about it is how you handled the main characters in the story because it felt like it was an ACTUAL progression of the characters what with having a more confident and take charge Amy Rose while still retaining her sweetness, Knuckles semi-withdrawn personality trying to adjust to life away from Angel Island and into civilization, Shadow being a little more open and less angst-ridden letting his guard down just a bit (definitely enjoyed this take compared to what we actually got in canon...), and Tails actually retaining his smarts and self-realized confidence (and how he got a little too carried away trying to inspire Cream when she wasn't ready in your story). You clearly know how the characters work, at least pre Sonic Adventure 2 before they got all weird and off course... I will admit that your character Cryona was a bit... Well I dunno but I do get the idea and it would be interesting. I also like how you incorporated Shade into the story, I didn't play Sonic Brotherhood (and frankly never will) but her story seemed plausible, especially with her getting to know Knuckles.
It isn't perfect but it kept my attention and I can see it working with a few tweaks and refining. Only thing I would hope is they for the love of the holy spirit, bring Ryan Drummond back one last time to voice the blue blur if they do plan on making a Sonic Adventure 3. The man loved the role and he can still do the voice so it'd be great to see him reprise Sonic one more time.
Anyway great video, I could definitely feel you put a lot of effort and passion into this. At the end of the day if they ever consider making a SA3, they need to do what they did with Mania. Enlist help & feedback from people who KNOW Sonic Adventure in the same way they enlisted feedback and help from classic Sonic fans for Mania. Do this and I'm sure it'll turn out just as good as SA2 was.
1:34:31
Now, I love this idea.
You know what it reminds me of?
Those 23rd Anniversary and 24th anniversary Sonic tributes, drawn in a traditional style, and serves to show the journey of Sonic and the adventures they’ve all been through.
I’m not sure if you know specifically the one I’m talking about, but they’re beautifully done.
I have to say though. This was absolutely phenomenal! I’d love to see more stuff like this at some point. I hope when, or even *if* we get SA3, we get something along these lines.
Brilliant!
“Wait, how did they build a ski lodge in a week?”
"It doesn't matter" "you can do anything"
I mean, in china they managed to build a hospital in just 10 days, a sky lodge would probably take less time.
These are a couple of anthropomorphic ANIMALS. NOT A WHOLE FRIGGIN COUNTRY
@@ghettokage6104 and your point is?
@@andrewsd.r.7180 Either way, I'm not saying that. It was a quote.
I’m so impressed! I would draw a story board in comic format based off this story
Cool
Why is this not a fangame?
You illegally to underrated.
Well, I can assure you
It will be part of an animated series
@@connorfindlayyt360 *Poggers moment starts*
@@connorfindlayyt360 Where? When, how? Shut up and take my money 👀
@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179 I gave up, my job doesn't pay well
So over all good. Some criticism: Not enough Eggman on the story, I think? I would bump up the Eggman's prescence a whinge more. Maybe it's because this is just a description of a plot but he felt a bit absent, and he had a lot of stuff to do in SA 1/2.
This would be the SICKEST sonic adventure game ever. The story is well thought out and respectfully uses all the characters.
Agreed.
just got this in my recommended while studying, very relaxing voice, good content, too. Thanks!
Amazing video. Another thing I think everyone should consider with the SA3 concept are technical gameplay qualities regarding movement, I feel like no one ever thinks about nor mentions it, but the quality of this is really one of the most important things. What I mean are things like how characters simply control and move. Characters in SA2, for example, feel like they have a weight to them, yet a real snappy and responsive feeling to them when we turn and move around. The animations that characters have also reinforce the feeling in many ways, like how their feet movement match the distance and speed they are actually moving, their steps feel like real steps from slow take-off to slowing down when letting go of the control stick. That's something I dread in about every game since SA2, where you'll see sonic basically scroll forward with his steps not matching the ground as he starts to walk/run. Mid-run animations are also more aggressive and it feels right when Sonic and Shadow reach top speed. This has become very cheap in later games where it'll seem like sonic's legs should be moving faster for his speed, and he should be shaking more and bumping up and down from how fast he would be taking his steps (also give back Shadows inline skating animation and scrap the little girl skating her socks on wood floor one lmao). Summersalts also are very subtle in how they're done well in SA2, it's hard to recognize it. Characters don't necesarily just crunch up in to a little ball until they hit the ground, they actually perform a visible summersalt action where they'll ease in to the falling animation after reaching the height of the jump. Then there are little cool things like Sonic/Shadow's spine's bouncing and settling after landing from a jump AKA Rouge's boob physics.
Small technical things like these go a long way and will definitely enhance other things like momentum and character physics, and they were done very well already with SA2. Overall, SA3 should definitely go all the way back to SA2's qualities regarding movement and character animation, and simply refine them from there, which it wouldn't really need much.
Agreed.
I have no idea why but I love watching the beginning and ending part of the video after watching the whole 2 hour long video. I just like hearing your thoughts about sonic and how, compared to mine, are similar and reminding me why I love the adventure games and the sonic franchise. Your description of your thoughts are so well put and i just enjoy listening to it.
Hello Lightning2153,
I watched your pitch for Sonic Adventure 3. I appreciate the time and effort that you spent on creating a pitch for a new game that contains the same appeal of the original Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2. I'm impressed by how well you managed to take the concepts of the original 2 and create the concept for a new game from it.
I would like to discuss your pitch with you in more detail if possible. I'm interested in helping revise and refine your ideas. I would like to see them become a reality.
If you're ever interested in making this into a fangame, let me know. I'm willing to contribute. My primary strengths are in game design, programming, and level design, but I have some basic experience in software engineering, modeling, illustration, animation, spriting, writing, sound design, and musical composition.
Oh for animation just practice the 12 principles of animation like slow in and out squash and stretch setting etc
This'll take awhile to perfect.
Yeah I want a fan game as well
Cool
@@Clash_781agreed
As for Sonic himself having an arc, ya know like how the Archie Comics, the Fleetway Comics, Sonic Underground, and even the Sonic movie gave Sonic a backstory? Well I’ve always wanted for Sonic to have a backstory within the game continuity as to how he came to be the fastest thing alive, and just overall how he became the character that we know him to be. And yes, a mainline 3D game of that sort.
That'd be sweet!
For SA3 specifically though, after the events of Sonic 1 through SA2, I feel like Sonic is at a place where he has come into his own, not just as a hero, but as a leader, and his positive influence on the people around him is what makes him a compelling character.
This wont ever happen, Maekawa teased the possibility of Sonic being a ULF created by Gerald alongside Shadow but he knew he couldnt get away with outright saying it so he buried the hints super deep.
@@KOTEBANAROT I don't remember the exact quote but in the Japanese version (which isnt even the original script which is a shame) Shadow says something like, "Sonic, I think I found out what it means to be the Ultimate Life Form, it means to be like you!" this not only shows how much his respect for Sonic has grown but that he still believes he is the ultimate life form (the cutscene with rouge) no matter what. This also helps with Shadow changing after Amy causing his flashback as he's willing to choose a different path
We really need a canonical backstory for sonic, it’s confirmed he’s some chosen one due the murals in sa1 and 3&k as well as shadow’s statement of sonic being the ultímate life form, but we need indication to his origin
@@rosagomez230 That’s a great idea actually. They should make a future game about Sonic’s origin story. Based on what you just said. And yes, they can call the game "Sonic The Hedgehog". Cause unlike Sonic 06, this one would actually have a reason for that title.
I would love to play this game, this idea has so much potential.
Me too
The Shadow and Sonic ending is adorable. I love it. Even if it’s not necessarily a perfect story, it’s still filled with passion, and I love it. ^w^
The main things I like from this after watching it a few times:
Music choices - They were all amazing if not perfect, special shout out to chosen one and this machine.
Characters - I liked how all the characters feel like the characters from the games they were made in, such as shadow, Chaotix and Blaze, and the development of each one was great.
Gameplay - I truly do appreciate you telling us the controls and even giving each character types like in sonic heroes, but still be able to make each characters fight in any stage. I love sonic heroes so I love this.
Rivalry - One thing that stuck with me that there was subtle hints of sonic and shadow rivalry, such as the ending, the debating to sacrafice and other little parts you can see if you rewatch. And I'm glad it's not about who's better, its about fun which shadow should try more often.
No classic sonic or stages - Although I don't hate 2.5 sections on their own, I do feel like they limit the games potential, so thankfully he decided not to add that.
World building - One thing that the adventure games did well was world building, and parts in this such as the Chaotix and Angel Island show their can be world building.
Silver and Blaze - Although Silver wasn't in the front as much as I would have liked him to be, I still think that his character was still great and he represented hope very well, plus the time travel wasn't complicated as it could've been.
Crayona - Crayola-- I mean Crayona was a great character, good motivation and believable villain, plus a super ice god was a nice touch, no pun intended.
I just wanna say thank you for making this, although I wasn't a massive Adventure fan before I played sonic adventure 2 a few months ago, I like the elements you brought in to make this great, I love everything about it (especially shadow). I might edit this after watching the video a few more times, but for now this is what I can think of and I truly loved your video.
IcyFlameSkull LOL CRAYOLA
@2:06:06 Oh, dude. I totally feel your pain. I’m so sick of that ugly “SANIC” meme. Not only was there a SANIC shirt in Sonic Forces, but that stupid meme even made it into the Sonic movie.
At least the movie was good
Iam 2458 I know. I enjoyed it regardless.
People appreciated both of those appearances though
It doesn't change the fact that Sanic is a mockery of Sonic. The only way Sonic will be respected again is for people to not see Sonic as a joke
Litten Fire Amen to that.
This feels like a sonic mania for the modern era it’s just amazing and the story or fan fiction was beautiful I could see this as an actual sonic game or a fan game either way it’s great
Agreed
Love the pitch dude. This story would be amazing. I feel at the end, there should be a flashback, maybe a quick 5 to 10 second image of Shadow falling. That promts Sonic even more. And it should be the only time you can boost in story. Replacing the spin dash and that should be unlocked as a switch move for the spin dash. Basically the boost you get is seen in the HD models pack on Sonic Adventure 2 PC mods.
I am unreasonably happy that Amy knowingly gave Shadow a hug and he was okay with it
Also losing it over the Chaotix doing taxes and Eggman bEING MANIPULATIVE AYYO OH MY GOD
CREAM BEING A HERO ON HER OWN IS SO CUTE LET'S GOOOO
OH GOD I'M JUST PROCESSING THAT EGGMAN HEARD THE ENTIRE SPEECH ABOUT HOW TO ACTIVATE THE MASTER EMERALD
Like I forgot that whole scene that the ant-bot was there until the end and hfgidukgd
"We don't take lives, we save them." AYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Agreed
This is horrendously underrated
Agreed.
The song that you gave for Blaze, I can’t stop listening to it! It’s sooooo good and it suits her perfectly
AMAZING!! I went from " i aint watching this 2 hour video" to finishing it fully. the heart that went to this, someone who truly believes in SA3!! i love it. sadly, this is next to impossible. Sega and sonic team will never put their all into Sa3 because they've forgotten what makes it special. thank you for this.
Sega is incompetent.
Yeah they have no idea what to do with Sonic
This is the true Sonic Adventure 3! It would be interesting. You know, the epilogue is very bittersweet. Blaze and Silver save their future, but as a result the people they knew personally, has no memories of them. They rewrote time, and the frozen world never happened. What will become of those two is now a mystery
Agreed
You know a video is good when you come back to it from time to time
I agree.
This video need to be shared to everyone we need sega to see the possibilities if they actually try and stop being lazy. We need this
Honestly, I was perfectly fine with Big the Cat. There's a couple things you have to keep in mind.
First, while the fishing gimmick can be tricky, Big's levels are generally pretty short, and he only has a few of them. You can easily find Froggy's spot near the start of the level, and the only way you'll prolong the levels is if you go out of your way to catch more fish. Essentially, if you like fishing, you can enjoy it, but if you don't, you can breeze through it without much trouble and get on to other things.
Second, you're missing Big's primary role in Sonic Adventure: providing a much-needed breather. If you go through order of narrative importance, you'll start with Sonic-Tails-Knuckles, do Amy's story, and then comes Gamma...who has the darkest storyline and a tragic, bittersweet ending. And things don't get much better in the final story, with Chaos wrecking Station Square. In that light, I appreciated just taking it easy with Big for a little bit, letting the tensions wash away before gearing up for the last battle.
So I think your fixes for Big are unnecessary. Maybe improve the fishing mechanic a little, give him a couple more attack powers, and enhance the fight against Chaos, and all would be well.
While a gameplay style dedicated to fishing is pretty weird for an action-platformer, as long as they can make the fishing genuinely fun in it's own right, I'm okay with that.
I just don't want to use "it's short" as an excuse for including gameplay that isn't fun.
"They were scared *punching sound*less"
Best censor noise ever
Agreed 0:01
I love that he mentioned Bayonetta because for me that game has the best combat system while mantaining momentum and the game actually rewards you for doing it right
The comedy from the chaotix is just perfect. And another dlc could be a map of the skiing place at the beginning with races and collectibles in there
SEGA NEED TO HIRE THIS MAN ASAP
He writes better a better story than anyone after 2001
They turned Gerald Robitnik into a good guy in shadow the hedgehog taking away the fact he almost destroyed the whole planet in SA2
Gerald was a good person, but he went insane after the events on the Ark went down 50 years before SA 2
2/3 of 06s story was pretty solid
Just sonics story sucked
I thought Silver’s Story sucked
@@AceTrainerSquirtle but his character developed throughout the story
@@ronjobimusic Story wise, it was fine. Gameplay wise, it left me the most dissapointed. Blaze was good, Silver was slow and finicky, and Amy just sucked. Not to mention stages like Flame Core that take almost 15 minutes to complete.
That...was...AWESOME!!! The execution, the character development, the story going in depth it’s just perfect it’s like this game sounds like a big French style kiss to the sonic fandom. With the way sega is going with the sonic franchise I lost all hope in the sonic community but after watching this entire video oh my God is this what hope feels like? Thank you Lightning 2153 you restored my faith in the sonic community, because of you my broken sonic fan soul can finally smile again
Honestly despite you not going into as much detail for many characters, I think you nailed Shadows character, that seems exactly how he would act if he remembered the past. Honestly I can't describe this video any more than perfect. You deserve way more subs than you got. Genuine perfection. And thank you for giving a cool personality and arc for shadow I truly do appreciate that.
I think this video is just amazing. The spirit of Sonic hasn't been captured in recent years, but with the movies giving people reason to care about Sonic again, I think there's hope. This story can also still leave open the possibility for some of the other games to happen. We can assume that maybe Team Dark formed later on and maybe Shadow wanting to find more to do can be how a different version of Shadow the Hedgehog happens. Also, Unleashed and Black Knight can still happen with no continuity errors. Also, I love the idea of Eggman just having a time machine.
I was mostly using this as a white noise video for me to watch as I am writing a dnd story based off of poke,on ranger. The Cream Scene where she comes back (where I am rn) honestly made me choke up and get a bit teary eyed. That’s good story telling when you can get someone invested like that when they’re half paying attention