if you actually watched smack pov of the whole situation last nyte he literally said he saw it but still pointed it out and the dude you glaze to much aka saint aka the attacker of any cc that post guides that their critics doesnt allign with his own=bad also said the backpack mail stuff is a bad ui design
I feel like Tectone is missing a lot of context since he skipped half of the VOD. Smack was making some untrue statements about Wuwa on Twitter steaming out of his lack of knowledge about the game. He thought that his drop from Tacet Field was bugged but in reality, he had too many echos in inventory so his drop was in his mail. People called out Smack, this hurt his pride and he started to ban people calling him out and started to call everyone a Kurobots. Then he moved the goalpost that he was criticizing UI and people called him out again that the notification was showing on the screen and he just missed it. He should just say "My bad I didn't see a notification" and it would have been avoided. So Saint saying Smack has gone on "bit of a tirade" is justifiable. We could also bring up how Smack went on a temper tantrum over missing an event and went full Karen mode where he blamed his lack of time to do an event as the dev's fault. Nobody is responsible for your lack of time, if you are late for a bus you don't blame the bus driver. Also, Tectone never finished TOA because of that he doesn't know much about it or how it complements Wuwa combat mechanics (he himself said that he wants to stay casual). TOA is where you learn a rotation of the characters, compared to Hologram bosses where you learn boss mechanics that's why they complement each other. Additionally, there is a difference between saying something is a "copy" and someone taking "inspiration from".
@@thomasgaming7656 I don't think you would understand what I'm saying anyway. "No body ain't reading that"-what does that even mean? Not only is it a double negative, but "Nobody" is also misspelled. That's quite a few mistakes in such a short sentence.
I agree with most thing you say but I have to criticize the TOA. TOA isn’t Cather to casual player, the recent TOA is really difficult. Some rotation took too damn long 30-40 seconds just to set up the buff for your main carry to do 10-15 seconds on field. Boss interruption can delay your rotation for a few extra seconds which make the 2 minutes limit is impossible as you probably can do is 3 rotations and if you can’t beat it in the 3 rotation you have to retry it again.
50:00 random point to make but to me it just sounds like nobody understood anyone there, Gachasmack didn't allow Saintontas to finish his sentence in which he actually states "your ending energy for the stage, is the starting energy for the next stage" so I think Gachasmack was reaching a little not even allowing him to finish his point going on a tangent on how "he just learnt this from a chatter and is already using it" and then proceeded to ignore the finishing of the sentence because he had already forgot about what he was even talking about. Furthermore, I do believe that Gachasmack was actually going on a tirade considering he had been banning people previous to the part which Tectone skipped purely because he was called out for his lack of knowledge, and when he was called out because of this he proceeded to call others Kurobots while banning them in which case he was called out again after criticising UI despite it being his fault for missing the prompt which actually told him his bag was full and there was no more echo space, in which he retaliated with more bans. It did feel like a tirade so I honestly don't think Saintontas should've lost a point to Gachasmack there (not that early at least he definitely lost it like 10 seconds later 😂) Either way I like both dudes, I love Gachasmaks ability to stick to a point and not go of on a tangent although it happens to me as well so i cant blame him if it ever happens to him, and I really like how he argues and or debates to learn and not to disprove / or prove everyone else that he is correct and everyone else isn't (kinda what Saintontas is doing), Saintotants will likely be embarrassed by this but I hope he actually learns and becomes better as a result cause when he's not going off the deep end his content is pretty enjoyable, as is Tectones and Gachasmacks, they're my favourite gacha content creators, and Doro too, he's just so kind I love his personality, I dont like what Hoyo did to Genshin but that doesnt stop me from watching Doro
Gachasmack: TOA is a 1-to-1 copy of SpiralAbyss. A Few Minutes Later: TOA has Point system so that you can't use the same character, changed the buff so that you need 3 team, all element buffs in the middle tower... There are differences between Spiral Abyss and TOA; both are Equally bad, there's no arguing, but TOA is slightly better than SA. But I don't think TOA needs change; Kuro just needs to create more endgame modes, Where players can test their skills and get reward weekly or monthly like TOA, The problem with Hologram is that the reward is 1 time reward.
drama in gacha space in regards to genshin, hsr, wuwa and zzz, then sure. But to say in the "Gacha space?" My friend, there are countless of really good gacha communities(less toxic) if you tried to explore more of them. If you'll say you already had, then your comment makes no sense.
@@darkcastle85 When react content and drama content won't net them as much money anymore. As such, it will never happen cuz people love to gossip. Case in point, both of us(probably just me) are probably here watching the video or maybe other related videos which gives them money. Which sucks, but really I only have a few hours to digest content as life is a grind so I'll take what I can get.
Always notice this about Smack, but... he keeps talking about trying to have a "respectful" debate but he himself puts out some weird, condescending comments himself. Then he goes off looking down on everyone disagreeing with him, thinking he's based for that. Ugh, I like Smack but I really don't like that side of him. And I can imagine him telling me to leave his channel or something if ever he saw me saying that.
Not me reacting to smacks video, then me reacting to smack reacting to tontas reacting to smack, then me reacting to tectone reacting to smack reacting to tontas reacting to smacks vid😂
It is hard to create something original. Tbf, kuro games is not inspired by genshin end game. it is from pgr. It does look like genshin when you never play pgr itself
How is having to build concerto bad? Its called playing the game, playing your character. If you just want the ''power fantasy'' of Burst-E-swap, go back to Genshin. No wonder Smack only likes Verina, anyone who actually has to attack (and thus also have to interact with the boss because longer rotations means you have to dodge) is ''clunky'' to him. He's basically arguing for ToA to be more like Spiral Abyss.
I think concerto building would fit more if it were points being scored instead of a time attack. Slowly building up the character for intro/outro or forte doesn't feel too great against the clock.
you are missing his point. he is not arguing ToA to be like spiral abyss. He is arguing that ToA should be it's own thing instead a knock off spiral abyss bsc that doesn't compliment wuwa play style.
@@dedded1968 So for you it just boils down to you not doing enough damage? It's not made for everyone to beat on day 1. Build your characters, grind the gear, learn the bosses, and you'll get there.
Is just a skill issue problem from facha smack, is that simple. Wuwa has the "hardest" end game of the big gacha games who rewards you A LOT of being good. Maybe watch his 23/30 in the top right of the map being a streamer hurts him bad ngl....
wuwa is not that hard if you have jihnsi and camelya maybe playerskill wise is the hardest, but the game is not meta demanding like hsr which require meta character a lot and stat check really hard, genshin and zzz in other hand is pretty easy
lol one delusional clown who took a criticism as a personal attack on his fav game wuwa and became a clown for 3 hour and smack simply watched this delusional guy make himself clown . so you should understand what you're saying man. i know you didnt watch it full if you did you would have known that saint was a clown. out of context : but not watching is also a healthy thing, better leave these people talk on their and you do your thing.
I'm on saintontas's side, because I've watched both of their videos, and you will find out how stupid and misleading Smack is. And in this video, Tectone is more to Smack's side😏
Day by Day wuwa Community will Become more like genshin . one year later they will become insufferable. And Saint is encouraging and grooming that kind of fandom. 'grooming' is not a bad word btw.
my suggestions for toa are to remove the timer, change the max amount of stars you can get per floor to 2, and also change the condition to get the stars into 1. clear the floor and 2. no one dies. characters should start the challenge without resonance liberation ready so they start with minimum power. lastly, just increase the amount of attacks enemy makes and their health. so with these changes toa become more of a skill check than a gear check.
@@skullcrusher4619 i agree, it does take a certain amount of skill to clear toa and the timer is one of those factors, but it also makes it impossible to clear it without having good endgame gears and/or good characters
first thing first goddangit Mr.Pokke second I agree to some degree with Tectone and Smack about current TOA and we should told Kuro about this what I like to introduce Kuro about TOA rework is already something Kuro already has in one mode of challenge in PGR (i don’t remember the name) which is customizable difficulty to get 3 star in TOA so after finish choosing characters for that floor there will be a window for player to choose how punishing you want this floor to give you first any floor is a set 300 points of difficulty to get 3 star and 300 points is equivalent to old TOA difficulty of time limit and big HP now here’s the change player can choose to 1.have time limit challenges or not and each is about 70 points which mean you can choose NOT to have time limit AT ALL next choose HP/ATK/DEF/resistence/debuffs /attack speed/animations/more mobs/etc. and all this can replace points missing in time limit this way everyone needs is met gameplay that’s better for WUWA styles, enough HP boss&mobs to test damage and needed unlike open world and for the most insane player only can the finish all challenge with max hp/atk/def and so on which will not give player any gems but it will display players who finish these IN RANKS
Nothing will change, see this comment section how people are glazing WuWa, at the end of the day Kurobots and Hoyoshills are the same, they can't take any constructive criticism...
@@sam_5702 tbh i dont understand the hate toward toa, its basic tower mode, like i genuinely dont understand the hate, and no i am not a kuro chill or hoyo chill like i rlly dont care even if the games will close tommorow, but i just wanna know why people hate the basic tower system that i know exist for like for ever in mmorpgs at least, and i dont understand why people just not ask for another kind of "end game" instead of fully changing the current one, i saw a few post about that toa needs to be changed like upside down, even though i rlly like the op's idea, it would be nice if something like that could be added to the game, but i never will understand the extreme changes that people deman....
@@mariamkjm in tower mode like the ones in mmorpg games u mentioned and a few other games, the timer is only there to prevent cheese and self torturing (eg. trying to beat with a lvl1 for 2 hrs). The time limit in TOA is to piss u off. How do u expect players to kill a boss with 9 trillion hp within 2 minutes? This is even more frustrating in a dodge and parry focused game like wuwa. Let me tell u how dodging feels in TOA. If u dodge successfully, u get annoyed because of dps loss. If u fail to dodge u also get annoyed. If u parry successfully, u regret because the characters slow down for a second. Breaking the boss's white bar doesn't really mean anything in TOA either. Are the core parts of the game still meaningful?
@@sam_5702 well the difference is we’re talking about Kurogames the devs who listened. I’m pretty confident(or convinced) that Kuro will not missing a chance to improved their games if there are valid criticisms and creative voices reaching their ears. after that just give them some time to cook and I’m pretty sure TOA 2.0 will be ready to go. and for Kurobots as of right now they’re…not much different from Hoyoshills. but I still had hope for them. that they can and will be better as a fan of Kurogames because by their roots most of them are the abandoned ones that Hoyoverse never care aka those who carved for a change for a change,for a better genshin and a better hoyoverse and now that they had them ofc they gonna glazed and shills but they also need to remember that by their voices and criticisms they are a part of what make WUWA a great game today. so when Kuro welcome the change and improved day after day they will realized that they shouldn’t immediately burn those criticisms to the ground. instead they should analyzed it ripped it apart and find the invaluable idea for the game sprinkling it with some/rough ideas of their own to implement these ideas and let Kuro do the cooking and next patch when the changes come we’ll revisit the one who criticized with a smug face and say “thank you, for the multi-million ideas we didn’t paid for. Now Wuwa is better and Kurogames is richer ,no where near end of service and bankruptcy,because of YOU!” that’s the Kurobots I wish to see somedays.
Hp Inflation being artificial difficulty depends on the game mode and boss design imo. If a boss gets more hp not JUST so you have to take longer to kill it but because they devs want you to have to interact with more phases of the boss, or they just want you to have to face that challenge for a longer amount of time (dodging, parrying and reading WELL DESIGNED attacks for 1 minute is OBJECTIVELY easier than doing it for 3 minutes) then i think HP inflation is fair, as its just a means to expose you to the actual difficulty But having a time limit in a game mode will always make increasing boss hp feel cheap as fuck. its too lazy of a way to increase difficulty in a time attack game mode, like imagine if they just added a whole second other boss and asked you to beat both in the same time you used to beat 1, it would sound ridiculous but thats exactly what hp inflation in a time attack mode effectively does
21:28 "WuWa literally quite took canvas as well as the painting on the canvas and said let's just put our signature on it and call it ToA" That's literally means copied completely just different signature. 💀💀💀 You might missed this part tectone.
Ill much prefer if this "full power" thingy reset every revive in hologram. bcs we are able to pre-charge it anyways before starting hologram, so by giving full concerto/forte/energy for every revive it will be a much more impactful QoL. If they implement this in ToA, It wont effect much, also sequence like S2 jinhsi exist... it wont be fair for S0 jinhsi to have S2 benefit in ToA (if we're talking about forte), same thing with concerto energy, theres weapon and sequence that helps with concerto energy refill.
Staying completely neutral on the matter despite my personal bias towards some CC's involved here: I dunno about that "Extremist point" somewhere before 40:00 When, then, Gacha Smack, criticising that point with Tec agreeing goes on to cherry pick one specific comp that is not available to AT LEAST 90% of the player base doesn't have access to currently to make his point. Sure, it may be that Genshin does this with most comps. Then again this whole argument is about 5 Second of charging your supports Concerto bar being so drastically different that the entire mode is suddenly less fun, so it's "boowoo bawah" argumentation as a foundation there, which is ridiculous from both sides. The best way for Saint to handle this would've been to simply pressure that fact that the game is called being sub par because of 5 Seconds on the final stage of every Challenge. (Because Leveled Characters are pretty much free win for the first 3 Fights anyways, even if solo) Also, kind of a general character flaw from Saint to go in as hard into this as well as GachaSmack to belittle a game genre that he based his entire career around. (Which is, if you think about it, whether intentionally or not, saying: My audience is a bunch of r*****s)
Dude I watch both people but saints avid followers are literally the SAME as genshin stans People say that smack blocks people , saints followers WILLINGLY take being called idiot and worse over their lack of comprehension of the game. He will willingly ban people not just for things that make sense like being rude, but for saying things that he disagrees with or being “smack Stan’s “ or “ poke Stan’s “ Him blueing vee though was totally valid
I went and watched an entire film and came back and Teccy was still reacting to this on stream. I knew I was gonna be in for a BANGER when I caught up on the vod. MAN. What a day. HAIL EGGY ♥
Tower of Adversity is a remix and revamp of Spiral Abyss which is a remix and revamp of the same system in PGR which is a remix and revamp of the same system in Honkai Impact 3rd which is probably a remix and revamp of the same system in some other older gacha game. People gotta stop thinking that "their game did it first". PGR copied most of its systems from Honkai Impact 3rd, which copied most of its systems from other games. And every game after just copies what came before. Criticizing a game for "copying" another game is building a house out of glass, because your game did it too bucko.
mind you that all that drama which comes out is just for tectone to enjoy hoyo doesnt care kuro doesnt care and people like me dont care cuzz we enjoy playing the game even if sometimes they are shit
Nah, the games are doing fine and the devs are fine. Its just pathetic content creators and the pathetic community like you who are DESPERATE for drama so you have something of value in your life.
Fix ToA by making it more like Warzone with a points system. Keep the timer, and award points for faster clears, but dont make it account for too much of the final score. Remaining HP, parries, dodges, and combos (like IR style system) can award additonal points. You get stars based on points. I think this would be a much more fun system that turns ToA into a little more than just a stat/investment check. PGR honestly has really fun end game modes, WuWa should take more inspiration from their own gem of a game rather than Genshin.
During the podcast I saw how he aggressively defend kuro, and how he tried to laser focus on people who said good things about hoyo or criticize wuwa. This guys is gonna be the next Iyo.
Its about CC's reaction videos over each other over the mechanics of the game. One analyzes the points of the other cc video while the other one doesn't and just simply resort to slur language on his tweet against the other guy instead of answering or maybe countering professionally the points of the other. that's the gist of it.
One thing is for sure, GachaSmack is a very Childish CC. He first at it again with his Bad takes, his Own Chat in the yt video comments disagrees with his Bad Takes giving him 600/300 likes/dislikes ratio, he was pointed out by Saintontas and he goes mad on his tweet and his own community there still disagrees with him coz instead of answering the points he resort to slur language just to get back at the other guy.
Saintontas already outed himself. Check gachasmack’s vod and take the time to digest the info instead of skimming and spreading misinformation. Cheers lil pup 😂
o.o no one to blame but 10 minute video becomes an almost 3 hour video cuz rereact into react video, i lost concentration after 30 minutes I think its fine to breach the subject of improving the gacha game state and tell whats outdated within those games. letting developers know the need for it to improve and makes something new, makes sure 1 company or the other can take the lead on it. Though these kind of react into react times 5 ends into to much yapping to call it in gacha terms. to example it: a Quest Story that could have been done in 20 minutes ended up being 2 hours, Everyone lost interst in that quite sooner then later
Honestly content creators like Saint is very bad for wuwa because of their shill attitude,Lord Baldemort If you are seeing this please don't promote or give your valuable attention to these types of cc... because we don't like wuwa to become just like genshin.Criticism of different content creators and playerbase are required to make the game better...hope you will agree and think about this my Lord Baldemort.
I'm lvl 80 on some of my characters they don't even have perfect echo set but i got 24/30 if he can't surpass me that means he's pure skill issues (my max lvl is currently only 80 rn so yeah)
SINCE WE NITPICKING, hu tao is not at full power at below 50% hp. all of her best teams now have furina, which want her to use a healer and keep her above 50% hp, essentially max at all times. that is all.
got to the furina nitpick. same shit. she plays with healers, if they heal the full party, every rotation will be the exact same in terms of her buffs. if ur playing with an exclusive on-fielder healer like bennet, then your first rotation will be her strongest, since the most HP drain will occur. there isnt a case where the furina comment was accurate.
I think u should make ur voice louder Tectone, I was watching the video on a bus and I was barely able to hear you but I could perfectly hear Gacha Smack
I said it once and I'll say it again
HAIL TECTONE
I agree all hail baldy!
You've only said it once before? Baldy, ban this faker!
HAIL TECTONE
I knew tectone will notice that saint and smack are like watching different shows. that's what I felt watching smack stream.
The amount of bald people on my screen is crazy
XD
Truly an unacceptable amount
ManScape Approves.
It's like the 3 stages of baldness
Dozen of eggs
Just another day of grown ass men arguing over a videogame
I almost forgot that this was about free to play videogames 😂😂
@@richcast66 Much worst
Its a Gacha game😭
Just like the old days 😊
real
as men are wont to do
All this started because Gacha Smack couldn’t read the “Backpack is full. Rewards have been sent to your mail.”
gacha players never read anything so yeah 😂
if you actually watched smack pov of the whole situation last nyte he literally said he saw it but still pointed it out and the dude you glaze to much aka saint aka the attacker of any cc that post guides that their critics doesnt allign with his own=bad also said the backpack mail stuff is a bad ui design
@@an1sXD Funny cuz i thought gatcha games are 70% reading dialogues
Is that actually what happened?
@@ChaosMTFhe even got angry because he missed WUWA event because it already expired and blames the game but never himself. for not reading
Never forget, Mrpokke was the root of all this🐭
Zyox's spiritual successor
who tf watches mrpokke
Pokkee fell to the Astu side 😭
Mrpokke my goat
@@revivemefellas9637 can confirm, I am the dad
I feel like Tectone is missing a lot of context since he skipped half of the VOD. Smack was making some untrue statements about Wuwa on Twitter steaming out of his lack of knowledge about the game. He thought that his drop from Tacet Field was bugged but in reality, he had too many echos in inventory so his drop was in his mail. People called out Smack, this hurt his pride and he started to ban people calling him out and started to call everyone a Kurobots. Then he moved the goalpost that he was criticizing UI and people called him out again that the notification was showing on the screen and he just missed it. He should just say "My bad I didn't see a notification" and it would have been avoided. So Saint saying Smack has gone on "bit of a tirade" is justifiable.
We could also bring up how Smack went on a temper tantrum over missing an event and went full Karen mode where he blamed his lack of time to do an event as the dev's fault. Nobody is responsible for your lack of time, if you are late for a bus you don't blame the bus driver.
Also, Tectone never finished TOA because of that he doesn't know much about it or how it complements Wuwa combat mechanics (he himself said that he wants to stay casual). TOA is where you learn a rotation of the characters, compared to Hologram bosses where you learn boss mechanics that's why they complement each other.
Additionally, there is a difference between saying something is a "copy" and someone taking "inspiration from".
No body ain't reading that
@@thomasgaming7656 Smack when there is notification saying that he has too many echos:
Also you can't write "No body ain't reading that"
@@thomasgaming7656 I don't think you would understand what I'm saying anyway. "No body ain't reading that"-what does that even mean? Not only is it a double negative, but "Nobody" is also misspelled. That's quite a few mistakes in such a short sentence.
I agree with most thing you say but I have to criticize the TOA. TOA isn’t Cather to casual player, the recent TOA is really difficult. Some rotation took too damn long 30-40 seconds just to set up the buff for your main carry to do 10-15 seconds on field.
Boss interruption can delay your rotation for a few extra seconds which make the 2 minutes limit is impossible as you probably can do is 3 rotations and if you can’t beat it in the 3 rotation you have to retry it again.
@@thomasgaming7656so everybody reading that…? Grammar my guy
I literally watched this whole thing to see him react to the part where smack brings up the Changli thing and he skipped it XD.
Gigglesmack, oh no, he's gonna ban me xD
Gacha games PVP ❌
Gacha CC PVP ✅
2 and a half hours. I'm gonna cry dog. The Internet needs to be turned off for a day. I think that chaos would be far better and a lot more hilarious.
Turn off the internet? No. Turn off social media? Yes.
Don't mistaken the degenerates of the internet as the whole internet.
THE GRIM GRIPPER
there's 4 people talking in 1 video, 2 same person, 1 baldy, 1 png. wtf is this chain reaction
and 4 chat boxes at the same time. wtf
Peak content
the amount of things to read and listen to will probably cure adhd
50:00 random point to make but to me it just sounds like nobody understood anyone there, Gachasmack didn't allow Saintontas to finish his sentence in which he actually states "your ending energy for the stage, is the starting energy for the next stage" so I think Gachasmack was reaching a little not even allowing him to finish his point going on a tangent on how "he just learnt this from a chatter and is already using it" and then proceeded to ignore the finishing of the sentence because he had already forgot about what he was even talking about.
Furthermore, I do believe that Gachasmack was actually going on a tirade considering he had been banning people previous to the part which Tectone skipped purely because he was called out for his lack of knowledge, and when he was called out because of this he proceeded to call others Kurobots while banning them in which case he was called out again after criticising UI despite it being his fault for missing the prompt which actually told him his bag was full and there was no more echo space, in which he retaliated with more bans. It did feel like a tirade so I honestly don't think Saintontas should've lost a point to Gachasmack there (not that early at least he definitely lost it like 10 seconds later 😂)
Either way I like both dudes, I love Gachasmaks ability to stick to a point and not go of on a tangent although it happens to me as well so i cant blame him if it ever happens to him, and I really like how he argues and or debates to learn and not to disprove / or prove everyone else that he is correct and everyone else isn't (kinda what Saintontas is doing), Saintotants will likely be embarrassed by this but I hope he actually learns and becomes better as a result cause when he's not going off the deep end his content is pretty enjoyable, as is Tectones and Gachasmacks, they're my favourite gacha content creators, and Doro too, he's just so kind I love his personality, I dont like what Hoyo did to Genshin but that doesnt stop me from watching Doro
This
Oil up For all you st glazers: 1:03:11 😂
Say his name and he appears, I believe in Joe Hend-, Tectone
Baldemort?
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👏🏻👏🏻
😂😂😂@@eldestblaylock772
Ironically, I feel like Gachasmack was the one waffling about TOA and Wuwa's combat system
Good thing fact and feelings are different then eh?
@@GrrrB0WBoth his feelings and the fact is, Smack criticised it.
@@GrrrB0Wand the fact is Gacha Smack was a petty manbaby who couldn't accept he didn't know shit about the game 😂
For all you st glazers: 1:03:11 😂 oil up lil pup
Keep glazing lol
i dont know whats this video about but something about mr pokke's face fills me with rage
Good thing he's working out, perfect punching bag.
Gachasmack: TOA is a 1-to-1 copy of SpiralAbyss.
A Few Minutes Later: TOA has Point system so that you can't use the same character, changed the buff so that you need 3 team, all element buffs in the middle tower...
There are differences between Spiral Abyss and TOA; both are Equally bad, there's no arguing, but TOA is slightly better than SA. But I don't think TOA needs change; Kuro just needs to create more endgame modes, Where players can test their skills and get reward weekly or monthly like TOA, The problem with Hologram is that the reward is 1 time reward.
I swear every week there's a new "drama" in the gacha space
Week? Bro your not paying enough attention. It is a minimum of every day, but at the height it is every few minutes if you're in enough subs.
Yeah this drama farming is getting old when are these CCs actually playing the game anymore?
drama in gacha space in regards to genshin, hsr, wuwa and zzz, then sure. But to say in the "Gacha space?" My friend, there are countless of really good gacha communities(less toxic) if you tried to explore more of them. If you'll say you already had, then your comment makes no sense.
@@darkcastle85 When react content and drama content won't net them as much money anymore. As such, it will never happen cuz people love to gossip. Case in point, both of us(probably just me) are probably here watching the video or maybe other related videos which gives them money. Which sucks, but really I only have a few hours to digest content as life is a grind so I'll take what I can get.
BY DESIGN. Content droughts everywhere.
I audibly yelled "NOOOO" when Tectone said "WHERE THERE IS DRAMA 'HE' APPEARS"
Always notice this about Smack, but... he keeps talking about trying to have a "respectful" debate but he himself puts out some weird, condescending comments himself. Then he goes off looking down on everyone disagreeing with him, thinking he's based for that. Ugh, I like Smack but I really don't like that side of him. And I can imagine him telling me to leave his channel or something if ever he saw me saying that.
Why is the gacha space gradually degrading into how it used to be during Genshin's prime when everyone hated each other?
always has been
can blame people like pokke, he basically started this too
they have a discord and they set up dramas for views, they're all in on it
Because it’s December when ad rates are at their highest of all year, so the CCs are trying to make that 💰 🤑
@@kkodeko I hope
I've spent 3 hours food shopping on Genshin, thanks for keeping me company Teccy
just played multiple games of Fortnite to complete challenges watching thing. incredible background podcast esc content.
*watching
Not me reacting to smacks video, then me reacting to smack reacting to tontas reacting to smack, then me reacting to tectone reacting to smack reacting to tontas reacting to smacks vid😂
1:47:06 if any youtube frogs are wondering the video had to be cut because teccy came on stream
I mean the tower thing is like wheels on all cars. They are all nothing new within games. The devs just tweak them to make them out to be different.
Exactly does Smack think Genshin invented tower modes?
That's why Smack's called them lazy, why don't they make it real different?
It is hard to create something original. Tbf, kuro games is not inspired by genshin end game. it is from pgr. It does look like genshin when you never play pgr itself
Gacha cc is a circus it's so damn entertaining and funny
How is having to build concerto bad? Its called playing the game, playing your character. If you just want the ''power fantasy'' of Burst-E-swap, go back to Genshin. No wonder Smack only likes Verina, anyone who actually has to attack (and thus also have to interact with the boss because longer rotations means you have to dodge) is ''clunky'' to him. He's basically arguing for ToA to be more like Spiral Abyss.
I think concerto building would fit more if it were points being scored instead of a time attack. Slowly building up the character for intro/outro or forte doesn't feel too great against the clock.
@@dedded1968I think waiting for skill cooldown and ult energy to fill out also doesn't feel too great against the clock.
Lol your point is so weird.
you are missing his point. he is not arguing ToA to be like spiral abyss. He is arguing that ToA should be it's own thing instead a knock off spiral abyss bsc that doesn't compliment wuwa play style.
@@lumaw152 but the point of saintontas refutes this argument
@@dedded1968 So for you it just boils down to you not doing enough damage? It's not made for everyone to beat on day 1. Build your characters, grind the gear, learn the bosses, and you'll get there.
Is just a skill issue problem from facha smack, is that simple. Wuwa has the "hardest" end game of the big gacha games who rewards you A LOT of being good. Maybe watch his 23/30 in the top right of the map being a streamer hurts him bad ngl....
He only got 23/30 my skill issue ass has 26/30 and i can 27/30 it since I still have energy left for my shore keeper.
wuwa is not that hard if you have jihnsi and camelya
maybe playerskill wise is the hardest, but the game is not meta demanding like hsr which require meta character a lot and stat check really hard, genshin and zzz in other hand is pretty easy
@@HazardTonehe is A kuro shill a saintontas defender
Did he not 30/30 on Camellya guide live?
Wuwa is as easier as any other gacha
Who cares, it's two grown men arguing about a make believe world.
@@skiletkilla this is the peak form of youtube content 🔥
Peak farming technique
lol one delusional clown who took a criticism as a personal attack on his fav game wuwa and became a clown for 3 hour and smack simply watched this delusional guy make himself clown .
so you should understand what you're saying man.
i know you didnt watch it full if you did you would have known that saint was a clown.
out of context :
but not watching is also a healthy thing, better leave these people talk on their and you do your thing.
I'm on saintontas's side, because I've watched both of their videos, and you will find out how stupid and misleading Smack is. And in this video, Tectone is more to Smack's side😏
Shill
@thewhutnow5795
Not an arguement lil' pup.
,@@siege_senseitbh, I am not even here to start arguing, but when did Lil pup become a thing?
I cant believe this, i was finally in a Tectone "pull-up" moment. Love ya Teccer, went to sleep before PoE2 tho
Day by Day wuwa Community will Become more like genshin . one year later they will become insufferable. And Saint is encouraging and grooming that kind of fandom. 'grooming' is not a bad word btw.
my suggestions for toa are to remove the timer, change the max amount of stars you can get per floor to 2, and also change the condition to get the stars into 1. clear the floor and 2. no one dies. characters should start the challenge without resonance liberation ready so they start with minimum power. lastly, just increase the amount of attacks enemy makes and their health. so with these changes toa become more of a skill check than a gear check.
Its already skill check because of the timer kill it quickly and dodge better to get all 3 stars if i can do it all of us can do it right?
@@skullcrusher4619 i agree, it does take a certain amount of skill to clear toa and the timer is one of those factors, but it also makes it impossible to clear it without having good endgame gears and/or good characters
first thing first goddangit Mr.Pokke
second I agree to some degree with Tectone and Smack about current TOA and we should told Kuro about this
what I like to introduce Kuro about TOA rework is already something Kuro already has in one mode of challenge in PGR (i don’t remember the name) which is customizable difficulty to get 3 star in TOA
so after finish choosing characters for that floor there will be a window for player to choose how punishing you want this floor to give you
first any floor is a set 300 points of difficulty to get 3 star and 300 points is equivalent to old TOA difficulty of time limit and big HP
now here’s the change
player can choose to
1.have time limit challenges or not and each is about 70 points which mean you can choose NOT to have time limit AT ALL
next choose HP/ATK/DEF/resistence/debuffs /attack speed/animations/more mobs/etc. and all this can replace points missing in time limit
this way everyone needs is met gameplay that’s better for WUWA styles, enough HP boss&mobs to test damage and needed unlike open world and for the most insane player only can the finish all challenge with max hp/atk/def and so on which will not give player any gems but it will display players who finish these IN RANKS
Nothing will change, see this comment section how people are glazing WuWa, at the end of the day Kurobots and Hoyoshills are the same, they can't take any constructive criticism...
@@sam_5702 tbh i dont understand the hate toward toa, its basic tower mode, like i genuinely dont understand the hate, and no i am not a kuro chill or hoyo chill like i rlly dont care even if the games will close tommorow, but i just wanna know why people hate the basic tower system that i know exist for like for ever in mmorpgs at least, and i dont understand why people just not ask for another kind of "end game" instead of fully changing the current one, i saw a few post about that toa needs to be changed like upside down, even though i rlly like the op's idea, it would be nice if something like that could be added to the game, but i never will understand the extreme changes that people deman....
This sounds super cool and id love to see them do something similar! :)
@@mariamkjm in tower mode like the ones in mmorpg games u mentioned and a few other games, the timer is only there to prevent cheese and self torturing (eg. trying to beat with a lvl1 for 2 hrs). The time limit in TOA is to piss u off. How do u expect players to kill a boss with 9 trillion hp within 2 minutes? This is even more frustrating in a dodge and parry focused game like wuwa. Let me tell u how dodging feels in TOA. If u dodge successfully, u get annoyed because of dps loss. If u fail to dodge u also get annoyed. If u parry successfully, u regret because the characters slow down for a second. Breaking the boss's white bar doesn't really mean anything in TOA either. Are the core parts of the game still meaningful?
@@sam_5702 well the difference is we’re talking about Kurogames the devs who listened.
I’m pretty confident(or convinced) that Kuro will not missing a chance to improved their games if there are valid criticisms and creative voices reaching their ears.
after that just give them some time to cook and I’m pretty sure TOA 2.0 will be ready to go.
and for Kurobots as of right now they’re…not much different from Hoyoshills.
but I still had hope for them.
that they can and will be better as a fan of Kurogames because by their roots most of them are the abandoned ones that Hoyoverse never care aka those who carved for a change
for a change,for a better genshin and a better hoyoverse and now that they had them ofc they gonna glazed and shills but they also need to remember that by their voices and criticisms they are a part of what make WUWA a great game today.
so when Kuro welcome the change and improved day after day they will realized that they shouldn’t immediately burn those criticisms to the ground.
instead they should analyzed it ripped it apart and find the invaluable idea for the game sprinkling it with some/rough ideas of their own to implement these ideas and let Kuro do the cooking
and next patch when the changes come we’ll revisit the one who criticized with a smug face and say “thank you, for the multi-million ideas we didn’t paid for. Now Wuwa is better and Kurogames is richer ,no where near end of service and bankruptcy,because of YOU!”
that’s the Kurobots I wish to see somedays.
To be honest, if Saintontas is a Genshin Shill. I know Tectone won't take a middle ground and gank on him xD
Save him, Tec. Talk to him.
Hp Inflation being artificial difficulty depends on the game mode and boss design imo. If a boss gets more hp not JUST so you have to take longer to kill it but because they devs want you to have to interact with more phases of the boss, or they just want you to have to face that challenge for a longer amount of time (dodging, parrying and reading WELL DESIGNED attacks for 1 minute is OBJECTIVELY easier than doing it for 3 minutes) then i think HP inflation is fair, as its just a means to expose you to the actual difficulty
But having a time limit in a game mode will always make increasing boss hp feel cheap as fuck. its too lazy of a way to increase difficulty in a time attack game mode, like imagine if they just added a whole second other boss and asked you to beat both in the same time you used to beat 1, it would sound ridiculous but thats exactly what hp inflation in a time attack mode effectively does
21:28 "WuWa literally quite took canvas as well as the painting on the canvas and said let's just put our signature on it and call it ToA" That's literally means copied completely just different signature. 💀💀💀
You might missed this part tectone.
How did tectone not know TOA is just phantom cage pain from pgr but slightly better tectone played pgr how did he not notice this?
@@skullcrusher4619he played it for like 4 hours that’s why 😭 none of these people don’t play pgr
5:33 TOA is a mix of 2 PGR gamemodes, one being a waves based mode and another being a boss fight, both using the same energy system
1:56:06 our cute little pookie bald bear runnin wholesomely
No not the iyo negative edge video bgm
Tectone reacting to Gacha Samck reacting to Saintontas reacting to Gacha Smack.
we really are scraping the bottom of the barrel of gacha content.
1:02:25 Teccy trying to keep it together right here is priceless.
I knew John teclesstone would react to this😂
Baldermort for real!
Its an objective fact that people WILL watch and react to this video
Can't believe gacha smack and Saintontas had such a childish dispute over spiral abyss and tower of adversity of all things 😭
gonna 2x speed this
Never thought i would see smack crash out 😂
great movie. 10/10. loved all the cross references. i even got to see myself as a background character:)
Serra with the reverse harem tho
I watched the whole thing live
Ill much prefer if this "full power" thingy reset every revive in hologram. bcs we are able to pre-charge it anyways before starting hologram, so by giving full concerto/forte/energy for every revive it will be a much more impactful QoL. If they implement this in ToA, It wont effect much, also sequence like S2 jinhsi exist... it wont be fair for S0 jinhsi to have S2 benefit in ToA (if we're talking about forte), same thing with concerto energy, theres weapon and sequence that helps with concerto energy refill.
i fucking LOVE these long ass videos about drama
Mr. Objectively smacks even Mr. Neutral at making dumb drama lmao
Staying completely neutral on the matter despite my personal bias towards some CC's involved here:
I dunno about that "Extremist point" somewhere before 40:00
When, then, Gacha Smack, criticising that point with Tec agreeing goes on to cherry pick one specific comp that is not available to AT LEAST 90% of the player base doesn't have access to currently to make his point. Sure, it may be that Genshin does this with most comps. Then again this whole argument is about 5 Second of charging your supports Concerto bar being so drastically different that the entire mode is suddenly less fun, so it's "boowoo bawah" argumentation as a foundation there, which is ridiculous from both sides.
The best way for Saint to handle this would've been to simply pressure that fact that the game is called being sub par because of 5 Seconds on the final stage of every Challenge. (Because Leveled Characters are pretty much free win for the first 3 Fights anyways, even if solo)
Also, kind of a general character flaw from Saint to go in as hard into this as well as GachaSmack to belittle a game genre that he based his entire career around. (Which is, if you think about it, whether intentionally or not, saying: My audience is a bunch of r*****s)
i love you being real enough to announce your bias's before getting into a topic! not enough people do this.
20 people disliking less than 10min into the video being posted is insane
Dude I watch both people but saints avid followers are literally the SAME as genshin stans
People say that smack blocks people , saints followers WILLINGLY take being called idiot and worse over their lack of comprehension of the game. He will willingly ban people not just for things that make sense like being rude, but for saying things that he disagrees with or being “smack Stan’s “ or “ poke Stan’s “
Him blueing vee though was totally valid
I went and watched an entire film and came back and Teccy was still reacting to this on stream. I knew I was gonna be in for a BANGER when I caught up on the vod. MAN. What a day.
HAIL EGGY ♥
Bald man made me like this
tectone is one heck of a good guy who is getting so much unnecessary hate.
Tower of Adversity is a remix and revamp of Spiral Abyss which is a remix and revamp of the same system in PGR which is a remix and revamp of the same system in Honkai Impact 3rd which is probably a remix and revamp of the same system in some other older gacha game.
People gotta stop thinking that "their game did it first". PGR copied most of its systems from Honkai Impact 3rd, which copied most of its systems from other games. And every game after just copies what came before.
Criticizing a game for "copying" another game is building a house out of glass, because your game did it too bucko.
Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale ,put him on trial
Saintontas is the type of guy that says Wuwa is better than Elden Ring
And GachaSmack, is the type of guy that insults his own chat and other cc's on his tweet if he can't prove his points and consecutive bad takes.
Man when saint will say this we gonna he is lying but right now he is cooking gacha smack😂
Dude he wouldn't say that its too stupid
right now wuwa is really better than genshin. The only thing that still hooks me in genshin are the characters that i invest.
@@Ricky47564ty100 percent agreed
Reacting to a reaction of a reaction or a reaction... This is why I'm here.
Is this a movie? 😂
Watching a 2 hour + video just to come away with the fact that Tectone doesn't know what processor generation Intel is on is fucking willllld.
i see a penguin stuffed animal in the background!!!!!!!!!
we all know how this ends teccy supports gacha st guy backs off and teccy salutes in the background saying your welome
mind you that all that drama which comes out is just for tectone to enjoy
hoyo doesnt care kuro doesnt care and people like me dont care cuzz we enjoy playing the game even if sometimes they are shit
4:12 why does bro sound like a horse.🤣🤣
Damn, the games must not be doing much, so they started drama over nothing in order to fill time before the new patches drop lol.
Nah, the games are doing fine and the devs are fine. Its just pathetic content creators and the pathetic community like you who are DESPERATE for drama so you have something of value in your life.
Fix ToA by making it more like Warzone with a points system. Keep the timer, and award points for faster clears, but dont make it account for too much of the final score. Remaining HP, parries, dodges, and combos (like IR style system) can award additonal points. You get stars based on points. I think this would be a much more fun system that turns ToA into a little more than just a stat/investment check. PGR honestly has really fun end game modes, WuWa should take more inspiration from their own gem of a game rather than Genshin.
During the podcast I saw how he aggressively defend kuro, and how he tried to laser focus on people who said good things about hoyo or criticize wuwa.
This guys is gonna be the next Iyo.
ive been waitingg thank you teccy
Can someone simplify what’s been going on? I can’t understand and I’m worried I won’t know if I watch it 😭
Its about CC's reaction videos over each other over the mechanics of the game. One analyzes the points of the other cc video while the other one doesn't and just simply resort to slur language on his tweet against the other guy instead of answering or maybe countering professionally the points of the other.
that's the gist of it.
@@Ricky47564tycrazy thing is there are stages of bald man
@@Ricky47564ty Stop spreading misinformation
heres an unbiased summary, two grown ass dudes fighting over a fantasy world
1:02:22 MY EARS😫😫
Before i finish watching i already have verdict - we are all losers, because we are still playing gacha in the end.
Crazy how we made it to 20:25 before the video even started 😭
Only in gacha yt " these two friends and colleagues of mine are having a dispute? I should probably publicly teir list it..."
Saintontas be like :- “There is no good drama going on, so i will be the drama”
One thing is for sure, GachaSmack is a very Childish CC. He first at it again with his Bad takes, his Own Chat in the yt video comments disagrees with his Bad Takes giving him 600/300 likes/dislikes ratio, he was pointed out by Saintontas and he goes mad on his tweet and his own community there still disagrees with him coz instead of answering the points he resort to slur language just to get back at the other guy.
Huh?
care to explain why you think it's a bad take? or are you just a sheep?
He is Sheep @@lumaw152
Sainto started the confrontation lol
Saintontas already outed himself. Check gachasmack’s vod and take the time to digest the info instead of skimming and spreading misinformation. Cheers lil pup 😂
Time to listen to 2.5hrs of drama I don't understand, between two people I've never heard of, about a game I don't play!
I came here for the Serra part
o.o
no one to blame but 10 minute video becomes an almost 3 hour video cuz rereact into react video, i lost concentration after 30 minutes
I think its fine to breach the subject of improving the gacha game state and tell whats outdated within those games.
letting developers know the need for it to improve and makes something new, makes sure 1 company or the other can take the lead on it.
Though these kind of react into react times 5 ends into to much yapping to call it in gacha terms.
to example it: a Quest Story that could have been done in 20 minutes ended up being 2 hours, Everyone lost interst in that quite sooner then later
So, tl;dr - GachaSmack is still the idiot.
Wasn't Tectone on Gacha Smacks side on most of his points?
Because tectone is biased towards his friend who loves giggling @@adventurersitem-shop3050
Honestly content creators like Saint is very bad for wuwa because of their shill attitude,Lord Baldemort If you are seeing this please don't promote or give your valuable attention to these types of cc... because we don't like wuwa to become just like genshin.Criticism of different content creators and playerbase are required to make the game better...hope you will agree and think about this my Lord Baldemort.
01:43:00 Personal Timestamp
Teccy is gotcha communities dad 🤣
i can't believe he would do this
This isnt the gacha civil war part 5 i was expecting
Tectone focused so much on NOT being sponsored, something tells me he is sponsored xD, take care big man
That was a good fucking video, I had nothing to do at work lol
I'm lvl 80 on some of my characters they don't even have perfect echo set but i got 24/30 if he can't surpass me that means he's pure skill issues (my max lvl is currently only 80 rn so yeah)
Thousands in contracts and here i am just wanting 10 dollars a month from youtube. Completely different world i live in i guess.
i get to watch the baldy for 2 hours? noway
I hope mujin is already taking notes
SINCE WE NITPICKING, hu tao is not at full power at below 50% hp. all of her best teams now have furina, which want her to use a healer and keep her above 50% hp, essentially max at all times. that is all.
got to the furina nitpick. same shit. she plays with healers, if they heal the full party, every rotation will be the exact same in terms of her buffs. if ur playing with an exclusive on-fielder healer like bennet, then your first rotation will be her strongest, since the most HP drain will occur. there isnt a case where the furina comment was accurate.
2 hours of 2 eggs yappin about a gacha game drama
I think u should make ur voice louder Tectone, I was watching the video on a bus and I was barely able to hear you but I could perfectly hear Gacha Smack
Its cool about tectone talking about war at start of the video and his kitten just 'oh, fuck this bald' at his bed