Youre the best communicator for running content!! Because of you I am excited for every run i am on. Because of you I always looks into how to better spend my money on shoes, you definitely not promote us to keep buying! But you makes us think and excited for the shoe even if you not like it, you always makes sure that your opinion is unique to you and that is what interesting. Keep these content coming!! Being in my current situation I had 8 weeks off from running due to injury and I would be excited to see how you kicked off your training plan.
Always enjoy your monthly shoe talk. Looking forward to the Evo SL when it releases, it might become my go to do it all trainer. Given the difficulty in finding Superblasts, and Evo SL is much cheaper, this may turn me away from finding a Superblast
The Evo SL should be readily available. I bet I’ll even be able to find it here in Taiwan easily. Thank you for watching the monthly. I enjoy just sitting down, unscripted/outlined and riffing on shoe stuff. 🤙🏻
Thanks for all you content, it really helped me navigate the quite complex waters of running shoes (from a beginner POV). Today I finished my first marathon in Berlin (2:58:45) and your content helped me to choose the right shoe (Adios Pro 3). It was the right decision and the shoe suits me really well.
Potential shoe topic: Companies subtly reducing the length (by 1/2 size or so) of an existing shoe model when developing the new version, so that they marketing department can say "it now weighs X grams less (or now has as stiffer plate but weighs the same) and has X mm more stack in the heel" etc. Yowana mentioned this in his Mach 6 review, and I have had to return both the Mach 6 and Takumi Sen 10 due to this. I have also heard the SL2 is potentially guilty of the same. You may know of other examples. It's obviously not the most unethical practice, intended or not, but it sure is annoying and a good way to lose customers from your brand - if the sizing becomes more of a gamble between models, I know I will tend to just look elsewhere. Yes everyone's foot is different etc but I would be amazed if the aforementioned examples had the same insole length at the very least.
I don't know if this is an organized thing for brands. Lasts for shoes change and evolve model to model. I'd NEVER look at Hoka for consistency in sizing/fit. The biggest problem with Hoka and the deal breaker for me is just how inconsistent sizing and fit is from shoe to shoe...for-literally-ever... it's a mess, always has been. I did have to go half a size up in the TS10, I called this out in all my content on the shoe. However, the SL2 was TTS for me and I've had no other shoes, from Adidas or any other brand, this year that I had this issue with. If anything I had more shoes run a half size long this year and if I wanted a race fit I'd definitely size half size DOWN.
Amazing content! You help me understand why I like certain shoes more than others, and this will in turn help me figure out on my own if I will enjoy the latest releases of these brands! By myself I would never have that "aha" moment "aha that's why I like this shoe so much!" as you spelling it out with the actual shoe in hand to demonstrate. 🤩
I read that comment 🤷 The person must have had a bad day 🤔 No matter what you do, you can't please everyone. For me, you are the professor of running shoes on UA-cam 💪🙂 I don't always agree with you. But I have huge respect for your channel and your knowledge 👍🥇💪. I also hadn't seen that the Evo C would turn out to be an SL. And not a shoe at all for that price. It also surprises me that they have chosen to use the Evo name on it. But a really exciting shoe
Thank you for the kind words and support. I don't expect everyone to always agree with me. I know i have some tastes and opinions that are counter to the mainstream thinking in running right now. I did suspect the Evo C could be a Boston replacement, of some sort (I mentioned this in past videos), but did not expect the execution we got with the Evo SL. Still, it is an exciting shoe.
The reason I follow your channel is that you provide an interesting perspective on trainers. I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but it's always interesting and worth thinking about. In addition, you have access to information that I don't. I've had an enforced 2 month break from running recently and just now am probably over compensating from not running like crazy 😊 Love the channel - thank you!
@@dgcadogan I'm glad you find value here and enjoy it. You definitly don't need to agree with me all of the time...that is how great ideas are born. Thank you for being here. 🤙🏻
I had the same thinking before i started running. You only needed one pair and anymore was wasted. Then i started running and i found it fun. Having different shoes help bring some variety in my runs thus increasing the enjoyment.
Hello Chris! Some comments.. 1. Spartan rotation: Plated Racer and Non Plated Trainer. Makes total sense to me, since when training you don`t want extra assistance but a sturdy shoe (more outsole rubber) with the same stride profile and making you muscles do the work. Yes, fast training may require another shoe. And this goes along with elites training in Evo 1, now having a hard time having it to race (??). But me... I have manynmore shoes than I need, because I like it 😂 2.1 I`d like to share some insight over Lighstrike foam. I own a Boston 11 and it dwarfed down a lot at LS foam, while LS Pro remains the same. I am heavy and I pronate. Its kinda interesting (to me) becaise it feels like a 6 mm shoe, and not the regular 10 mm drop. I still have use to it, and the outsole is sturdy, so I wont trash it. 2.2 I just watched Believe in the Run 1st impressions of Evo SL, and they say the midsole is Adios Pro 3 compound. So, what I`m thinking is: today we still have Boston 12 with LS 2.0. It seems to crease and dwarf down too. This is a type of shoe that responds to your stride and mould itself over time. I the other hand we have the LS PRO foams, where it doesnt change its geometry. That said, Evo SL with a nice sturdy outsole seems to me a very durable and high quality trainer. 2.3 I still own an old SL20, the first Lightstrike foam shoe and it really compressed too. Today it feels less like an running shoe and more like an Allstar shoe. 2.4 All in all, I find it interesting Adidas still having shoes with LS 2.0 as a more adaptive sort of midsole option. Not sure if they designed it, but interesting indeed. On the other hand I own a Takumi Sen 8 and it still is the same out of the box. No geometry change at all.
Lightstrike foam is just standard EVA foam, 2.0 was more airy to be lighter, which is why it compresses so much more. It seems Adidas is (finally) moving away from Lightstrike foam, at least in the Adizero range. The last shoe it is in, looking ahead into 2025, is the SL2...and that makes sense as the SL2 doesn't need to be full LSP, especially now with the Evo SL. The Adios 9 had the LS foam removed and I'm curious wha tthey do with the B13. This isn't a bad thing as LS foam is nothing special, at all.
Really enjoy your channel mate, best shoe reviewer and most interesting and useful in the category. Hilariously, on a whim, and due to hyrox, I bought the puma deviate nitro 3 recently. When i got home, i looked at your review and was gutted to hear you hate them more than any shoe in the world 😂 They’ve been pretty decent (first carbon shoes for me) although have recently turned into blister machines! I would love to know what kind of shoe you’d recommend for a hyrox event… appreciate its not your sport but I think you’d have a good insight regardless.
Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I really appreciate it. Thank you for watching. You know, I've gotten numerous questions about Hyrox in the past few months. It's definitely a growing thing. My answer has been the same...I'd want something lower to the ground and more stable. Any shoe can do the 1k runs inbetween the sets, but no every shoe would be good for the functional work. Shoes like the Nike pegasus 41, Puma Velocity Nitro 3 and now the Inov8 Roadfly would be my recoomendation. Even Nike Metcons (or some type of training shoe) would work well...1k runs really are not that long or demanding for a shoe.
Love the video! As a 90kg runner who mainly does 10km I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the Evo SL. Would they go well the Boston 12s ( as currently I use them for everything). Also welcome to any other suggestions, SB2 are on my radar also
If you use the B12 for everything the Evo SL will be a much needed (no plated) shoe for you... having a solid non-plated do anything shoe will be good. For 10ks, the demand son the shoes are fairly low. At 90kg you could likely get away with anything you want to try. The SB2 is fine, but really only useful for runs over 25k. A Novablast will be fine here.
@@SagasuRunning thank you for your advice. That makes a lot of sense, I’ll definitely try and get the Evo SLs and see how I progress into longer distances in the future
Workouts = A session, or intervals, reps…Speed work mostly for me right now. Could be tempo running, etc. Clean shoes = ua-cam.com/video/Nrf_zSt4BVI/v-deo.html
I still have the adios 8 and there is such infinite forefoot outsole rubber that the outsole will never wear out. But I find myself reaching for the Takumi Sen 10 for workouts. I have only used the adios 8 in my recent memory for some sessions on the elliptical or extremely recovery pace just to feel the ground. The exposed shank that Adidas put into the Adios 7 and and the Takumi Sen 7 - I’m sure other shoes - I don’t love it. I will inevitably catch a price of gravel or a stone and make a horrible grinding scrape noise that I always find unnerving. The Nike Streak had a shank but it was maybe 10mm above the ground which was better. Granted the voids could trap a stone and scrape and that was annoying but nothing like the nails on chalkboard situation with the low adios shank.
Ya, those exposed shanks the Adios (and Boston) have had, forever...could be brutal. The Adios 8 could make some VERY scary crunching sounds on some terrain (fine gravel on a hard surface was the worst). So it's good to see Adidas finally move those shanks internal after all these years. I LOVED the forefoot patch of Conti rubber on the Adios 8. It made that shoe so much more robust for easy running. Outstanding...but it was heavy and WAY more than the shoe needed for a workout/race application. Though I also think it was there to cover/protect the torsion rods int he forefoot, that acted like a spike plate. I'm happy to see a big piece of Conti rubber on the Evo SL. The TS10 did replace the A8 for me though...nearly completely.
Thank you for watching. 2 months before a Marathon? Id say that is borderline late. If anything I'd want to know what I'm going to race in before I start a build, or at least have narrowed it down to 2 shoes. That way I can train in them and get used to them/understand them. Definitely by 45 days before the race I will know my race shoe and will be doing my key long runs in it.
I'm now an industrial design student and I'm interested in how you would design a shoe line? I really enjoyed that cortez video. I made my friends watch it and I was geeking out on them haha! More history videos!
My BFA is in industrial design, way WAY back when. never focused on footwear or sporting goods back then, I was a skater/snowboarder who wanted to be an architect. How would I design a running shoe line? Ha, that is an involved question. Take a little from Nike, a bit from Adidas, a dash of Asics and boom...you'll have something for sure. If you have not found Richard Kuchinsky and his instagram.com/directivecollective/ yet...here you go, you'll enjoy I'm sure. he is an actual industrial designer specializing in running shoes with a consultancy focused on it.
Nice talk about the "trainer" conspiracy. Quite funny. It doesn't matter how many shoes you have. If you use them all till the end of their lifetime and keep running the same number of miles, you are NOT consuming more. It is actually cheaper to have a trainer and a racer than just do everything with a racer. I have 11 pairs now between trail and road, and after the initial "ramp up" to this amount, I am buying very few shoes. Only my daily trainers are replaced regularly. I still have Endorphin Speed 1's which I only use for workouts. I have Speedgoat EVO's that I only used for racing (now just for training). I still have Alphafly 1's, just for racing. All old shoes. It's kind of frustrating because I want to try newer ones 🙂
I don't think his angle was a durability or consumption one. I think he genuinely was arguing Trainers are just for casuals and real runners one run in racers... literally.
I'm glad you brought up the 'lifestyle' marketing aspect of the EVO SL. I don't know if it's a result of a disconnect but more or a push to further normalize wearing 'performance' running shoes in a casual setting. I vaguely remember seeing someone speaking about this in relation to some Hollywood film star rocking some vaporflys with jeans, but also you can see Patrick Nava wearing Takumi Sen 10 with his non-running clothes in the Believe in the Run AP4 video, and just the other day I saw a man in his Sunday best going for a pub lunch in Alphafly 3s! Personally, I don't like wearing running shoes if I'm not running, but I can definitely see as a way for the big brands to sell more shoes
I noticed the Patrick in the TS10s in the RW video as well. However, that was TRE in Nov 2023 and the TS10 was the new release at the time. So brand folks will typically wear the shoe of the moment. It's why you've seen Elliot Heath from Nike in AF3s in product interviews. It's more being on brand in those events where the interviews happen, less a casual statement. However... yes, the performance shoe as hyperbeast/fashion thing...thats been around. The off-white Vapoerflys, Gyakusou Vaporflys, Y3 PrimeX/TS10/AP3s... they are around. Funny enough, here in Taipei. 90% of the time if I see someone wearing Alphaflys, it's casually. AF2s are VERY popular here as a casual lifestyle shoe. Last time I was in Zurich, in the hotel resturant at breakfast. i saw this guy roll up to a table, one of those super fashionable 40 something Euro guys with long "surfer" hair and lots of jewlery in a 4 figure bespoke suit...wearing OG black/green AF1s. I swear I see Alphaflys worn casually more than I see them on runners feet. 🤣
Some also say that we are all buying runningshoes because we are scared of running barefooted. Everybody knows you run faster barefooted than in any shoe possible… Just kidding. No tin-foil hats here 🤓✌️ Great content as always. Agreed that I also don’t always agree with 100% of what you are saying. But that’s not the point of a UA-cam channel. It’s to share knowledge and experiences. And all of that you do, I really appreciate! Thanks once again, Sagasu 🙏👟
Actually barefoot running is….. 🙃🤫😂 You definitely don’t need to agree with me 100% of the time. Finding what is valuable here and there is enough. I appreciate the kind words and am happy to have you here. 🤙🏻
Interesting to see where Adidas positions it Pro4. I found the AMSP much faster in 10s and HM - but the Pro3 came very much alive during the last 10K of a full marathon and was catching up with the Asics during the last K's. But.....that meant that the use was pretty limited. Will the Pro4 fill the gap to be also great for HMs?
The AP4 has the Evo 1 (Vaporfly like) geometry and SHOULD be a much more versatile shoe. The more aggressive rocker will make it much better for a range of road racing. It should be a much better all rounder, yes.
Welcome back goat 🐐. Hope the trip was well!! Is it too soon to call the new EVO SL the forbidden S word? Super excited to get my hands on it though. I’ve been on a huge trail running kick lately with the Adidas Agravic Speed and the Nike Zegama 2.
The trip was great, but it's good to be back in Taiwan (and not in the US). The Evo SL is a non-plated performance trainer.... what is this forbidden S word you are referencing. 🤔 Also am on a bit of a trail kick, enjoy the Nike Peg Trail 5 (oddly) and a few others I can't mention at the moment. I'm finding trail strength work complimenting track and speed workouts well.
@@SagasuRunningSuper trainer is the forbidden word. I know we don’t use that word around here so that’s why it’s forbidden 😂. I want to try the Trail 5 as well, I saw a lot of talk online saying the Trail 5 is a much softer shoe compared to Peg 40 and even the Peg 41. What’s your thoughts on that take?
@dickhead7348 It is softer, though the feel of the 41 is much better. The PT5 is the best Peg Trail for actual trail running in a few years. The outsole finally works too for actual trail running. I’ll have a review up in a few weeks.
@@SagasuRunningAwesome can’t wait. Not sure how many trail shoes you’re looking to add but the Agravic Speed (not the ultra) is such a unique shoe it might be worth checking out if you’re on a trail kick. It’s a 30/22 stack. The stack height is a little misleading. It has Lightstrike kinda wrapped around the upper for support and under your foot is completely Lightstrike Pro. 240 grams in a US size 9 too
I enjoyed this vid. Great callout on the marketing disconnect for Evo SL. I actually quite confuse if this model is an extension/next generation of SL2 from a consumer perspective. If Evo SL is similar to B12, definitely I don't need to consider that. Perhaps adidas' marcomm team hasn't aligned well with what the product team's intention of creating these new models. The disconnect def created some unnecessary misunderstanding on these shoes. That's said, I am still looking forward to the launch of Evo SL in Asia.
The Evo SL got the "SL" label. "SL" means "superlight" for Adidas. However, it's not always performance orientated. In fact, it originates in 1972 from a casual shoe. I covered this in my SL2 review. I'm not sure there is a disconnect now in Adidas marketing and product, based on the conversation in these comments. Many good points as to how Adidas often dos this with Adizero models (Y3, Stella McCartney, etc). The Evo SL should replace the B12 for the vast majority of runners. We wills ee what the B13 becomes...tons of ideas around that one int he comments of my AP4/Evo SL design analysis video. I'm with you though...definitely lookin forward to the Evo SL release here in Asia.
Agree. Though Berlin 25 seems even more likely. I was more defending the fact we may see leaks or an update to the world athletics approved shoes list with a new “dev” shoe or two for Adidas at some point this fall.
I have been using barefoot shoes for walking and best decision I have made, been wearing the Hykes Flex and love how they feel, once you get used to them you will never go back to regular shoes.
I come from a barefoot shoe/running background. After I read Born to Run in 2009, I jumped in feet first (pun intended). Lived/ran in barefoot shoes exclusively from around 2009-2013'ish, kept up wear only Vivobarefoots casually until around 2016 though i ran in Lunas and "normal" shoes by then. Now-a-days, I spend 90% of my day barefoot (I work from home and don't need to leave the house unless I want too) but I run in "normal" shoes, only occasionally in Lunas. Barefoot maximialism is not my thing anymore. Shoe are tools. Having a natural shaped shoe in your rotation to work on foot strength and spending as much time as possible barefoot is good. But running in "normal" shoes is just fine too. Building foot strength is more important. I'll have some content exploring this in Oct/Nov...stay tuned.
Interesting to see how the Evo SL is, as a lover of the Boston 12, SL2 & Takumi Sen I’m not sure how I could fit another one into the rotation 🙂 The lifestyle push is probably to appeal to a wider market (= more £$) similar to On over in the UK. I probably see more people wearing On shoes in the pub than out running these days.
@@SagasuRunning interesting, will look forward to the release. Must say, I’ve not been using my B12 as much since getting the SL2. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
@@SagasuRunning yes very much so, love it. It reminds of the Glide Boost 6,7,8 from a good few years ago but with modern technology. And it can be picked up for less than £100 in the UK now.
There were photos going around of a Kith collab with Adidas on a shoe that looks a lot like the Evo SL. Similarly, Adidas has been doing those ridiculously expensive Y-3 models of their race shoes. It does send some mixed messages.
Adidas is VERY good about their fashion collabs. I mean Noah Lyles won the 100 in Paris in Y3 spikes. I believe I saw Kith AP4s in leaks too. Definitely saw Evo 1s at one point (not sure they ever came out though). Adidas does do this stuff very well.
I'm curious about one thing. In one of previous videos you mentioned that you like to run most of the runs in non plated shoes besides few key workouts. As a cyclist who recently started dabling into running this seems odd in this day and age from cycling perspective. For example most amateur cyclists will use one bike in identical setup for easy and hard training and maybe swap tires to faster ones more prone to puncutures for racing. What is motivation for not using plated shoes for regular daily workouts?
I'm a former cyclist (road and fixed road crits)... and the bike parallel to shoe has no bearing. Most cyclists stick to one all rounder bike due to cost. Those of us who raced, even at the amateur level, would AT LEAST have a race bike (often a aluminum frame and non carbon parts for crit racing due to crashes). I I also knew many people who had "aero" bikes as yet another option. Multi bike setups, even at the amateur lvel happen. As far as why not to train in plated shoes 100% of the time.... I'll be making content on this specifically in oct/Nov. But it comes down to foot/leg strength. If your foot isn't naturally moving in training, in a non plated shoe, you are loosing alot of training effect. Much more coming in this. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Funny story...I was actually going to go pickup a pair this week, before the typhoon. I have another shoe coming I want to compare it directly too. So you will likely see it in Oct/Nov. I'm very interested in it. Soon. 🤙🏻
I watched the BitR interview with Patrick Nava. It was long, but very interesting (loved the "This too shall pass" easter egg). I'm left wondering what questions you would've asked him, with your background in product design. I think it would be quite valuable if you could have similar interviews on your channel. I was surprised when the BitR crew talked about the Evo SL as a lifestyle shoe and Patrick had to correct them that it was actually a running shoe. Marketing dropped the ball with that one. Fingers crossed it'll release here soon. I'm still waiting for the Peg 41 and Peg Plus.😆
Trust me...if I have any primary goal on this channel it is to build relationships with brands and the product teams in those brands to be able to both tell the product stories from the source but also interview the key players... working on this daily right now...hopefully I'll get there. 💪🏻
Adidas in Thailand (may be else where as well) accidentally put up the Adios Pro 4 online yesterday and people where placing orders like crazy. Then in a few hours they have to cancel all the orders made. It was suspicious when I first hear about that but people were rushing in to order them. A bit of a blunder by Adidas.
Same happened in Malaysia for Adidas. Oddly, earlier this summer something similar happened to Nike with the Peg Plus in Singapore (it’s how I had a pair weeks before anyone else). South East Asian CMS systems seem to have a mind of their own.
It wasn't accident, adidas confirmed it on instagram it will be available in Malaysia, Turkey and few other countries. I'd assume limited shock drop in those countries and that's it for now unfortunately lol
@@tkwasik they were made available with limited drop a few days ago where people had to go through some rules and enter a lotto with Adidas. Then 3 days later they popped on their online store where hundreds were sold in a matter a minutes. Some even bought them with 30% discount using their Adidas membership points. Many also got “Shipped” notice via the system and then the cancellation follows. I believe it was an unintended mistake though. The limited drop was meant to legalize their shoes to be raced in Berlin. But having made all sizes available for hundreds of order online then having to cancel them, that can’t be “planned”.
On paper the only two shoes I think compare to the Evo SL are the Nike Peg Plus and Saucony Endorphin Speed 4, thats it. We will see a few other in 2025 from other brands though. The B12 is something else due to the stiffness of it. More like the Evo SL and B12 are complimentary to each other. I'm going to have an update on the ES4 in Oct and I'll talk a bit more about this.
I think the Evo SL marketing is inspired by the hipster runners, and the growth of the urban running scene. There are crews like Barbes Runners from Paris, who are heavily associated with On Running, as well as Maurten. Their imagery at times includes kebabs, alcohol, coffee. A recent post from Adidas had the tagline "POV - your barista is a runner" and the guy had on the Evo SL, while the coffee making was the main focus. The ad campaign stands out, so they'll be happy, and casual runners (in particular) may wear them casually.
Interesting. I'm originally from NYC and we have alot of run crews/teams/groups (i.e. Black Roses, Orchard Street Runners, Bridge Runners, Brooklyn Track Club, et)...all of them have a social layer to them but they are all performance/running based as well. Not elitest, just about performance, the social layers are secondary. Same with the run crews I'm away of out of the EU, though the social layers are a bit more dynamic there. Maybe these EU run crews are evolving their own direction. Adidas Streetwear, especially in the EU, is a very dominant style. So it makes sense in that way.
2:51 We do appreciate that, Sagasu. 🤟 Many runtubers don't bother to reply, I've seen even small ones with very few comments and they still don't engage with viewers. I don't know about everyone else, but not replying to comments when you don't have good excuse like being overwhelmed by thousands and thousands of comments, really gives me the vibes of somebody that thinks is above his/her subscribers. Like, "see man, I'm too cool to answer these peasants". LOL
Ya...I agree. I mean, it's a few things. 1). I'm a solo creator and I plan on staying that way for a long time. If your business model is different then the engagement and feedback isn't as important to you. 2). If someone takes the time to watch my content AND post a comment...I'm definitely going to respond to that effort. The conversation extends the video and the ideas and I think brings another layer of value to the channel. 3). I learn ALOT form my commenters and subscribers. I value that greatly. 4). This is the main reason I enabled "memberships" on the channel. So that I can reward the names I see in the comments all the time with badges. I realize paying for a subscription is not for everyone, but it's the only tool UA-cam gives me (at the moment) for this. I know I am missing some comments lately. Especially '@s" as UA-cams comment system is basic at best and doesn't have the tools/filters I'd expect for such a platform. The only commenting system worst is Strava... ugh, Strava... I do try to get everything though.
I have a business and most of the reviews are very good. But we have got a few from people that didn’t even buy anything. Maybe some of them even just looked at the website or something. So now I just try to put these out of my mind. You can’t please everybody! Take care
Ya, I don't often get those comments. So when I do...they standout to me. I rarely call them out of give them attention...but in this case the point was so absurd to be and/or so interesting to discuss I couldn't help it.
Definitely not the I3 for race day...haven't run in the Evo SL but as a trainer I also don't think it's a great choice for race day, of any distance. Will need to see when it comes out.
Agree. The VF3 has been a revolution for me, as a non-elite (and I know this is the case for many others)... but what makes a shoe good for a non-elite is likely what makes it not good for an elite. Nike needs to fix this though and Adidas needs to avoid it.
I find it weird that they decided to go for a very thick heel collar on the adios 9, which seems to be a step back from the 8 for a more dialed in race fit.
I'm going to guess it's a fit thing. Adizero heel counters have been problematic for many runners. The Adios 9 should be very flexible, which means an Adios 8 style heel counter wouldn't work well...so having more padding to lock the shoe to the heel is likely a good thing. Time will tell.
For context, my 10k PB is still in a non plated non super-foam flat. I’m not an amazing runner, but I’m OK, and certainly know my way around running shoes.
I’m surprised in the exploded AP4 that there is still a substantial sock liner. Having a smooth strobel board and no sock liner is an obvious step for weight savings. Maybe they could not do that kind of manufacturing process at scale in the cost range they wanted to hit.
I agree. It may be deceptive in the exploded due to the render highlighting the parts...I won't know until I get a pair. I am expecting a minimal built in sock liner, like the AP3/SL2.
Do we know what is the weight of the Evo 1 with the Continental rubber outsole that they don’t sell but is actually the one the elites race. Is it possible the conti rubber is heavy enough to come close to equalizing the weight with the AP4?
@brianreiter5572 Unlikely. I would assume the Evo 1 v2 is only a few grams heavier. Likely around 145-150in the sample size. Not substantial. Definitely not the 50g needed to get to the AP4.
In regards to SL evo being marketed as performance and lifestyle shoe, it make kind of sense for adidas to try to catch broader market Many shoes come to the lifestyle as "performance " in the 1st place. SL evo look very clean and certainly will appeal to casual wearers, also light strike pro isn't to soft and as such imo its ok for everyday use, no plate helps too in that regard Also adidas is doing this with other adios models - look at adidas colabs ... and this looks like natural flow into hyped casual sneaker market
Ya, it's not new for Adidas by any means. The Evo SL looks the part and has the design language for sure. What's unique with it though is the brand has built a performance trainer that has lifestyle appeal, from the ground up. The collabs on the PX2S/TS10/AP3 are all coming from the collaborators wanting those silhouettes, with little care for performance. I'll be curious were they take the Evo SL with collabs beyond Kith...
I have. I actually don't think it is "hunger marketing". I honestly think it is production limits. Asics sources their foams, especially their PEBA foams, in Asia and I think that source just can't keep up with production demands. The Superblast is FAR more popular than even Asics knows in the west. What is ironic is that here in Taiwan Superblasts are on shelves of all Asics stores, even the small ones in department stores. You can generally have any colorway or size that you want. They just aren't popular here. Asics is popular here in Taiwan, probably the second most popular running brand behind Hoka, but the only people I see running in Superblasts are westerners here on business or vacation. Last time I was in japan it was similar. So it really depends on the market you are in.
Adidas doesn’t loose as much money from EVO1, I believe Patrick in the interview said that material & production costs are covered by the price. R&D is not, but there’s no R&D if Adidas were to release another batch of EVO 1s. Thus it makes no sense or so it seems to me, Adidas not cover all their elite runners with EVO 1s.
Yes he did...but those R&D costs to get the the Evo 1 are MASSIVE. Additionally the failure rate of the midsole parts, pre milling is massive from what I heard (near 45%). That is also a massive sunk cost. So speaking of the Evo 1 program, it's big investment in the brand and Adizero (which is great). But a massive red mark on a balance sheet otherwise.
hmm strange that a comment like that whould show up on your channel .. out of the shoe tube space , you are not the hard sell sort , if anything you have a tendancy to stress that your point of view is highly personal unless the topic is actually design and implementation. Ah well it was made me smile . I enjoyed the adios pro 2, the pro 3 sadly did not suit me due to the upper material and eyelet placement at the front . I look forward to trying the pro 4.
I appreciate that (about my presentation style). The AP4 really solved the upper issue. The Evo 1 had an outstanding upper in feel… that carried into the AP4 for sure.
Adidas do something called the Y3 S-Gendo Run which is a lifestyle shoe but it has Lightstrike Pro and a Pebax plate (it’s £350 and does look cool). They are using their racing line to create an aesthetic in the same way as Ferrari use F1 to give their road cars more technology and street cred. The general training shoe market is big business and companies want their products to appeal to the cool kids so the rest copy them.
Ya, brands do this once in a while. Nike often creates lifestyle monstrosities, with race tech, within their ACG line and other collabs. Adidas has done alot of this too with Y#, Stella MaCartney, etc. These often have zero performance aspirations and are more building off the evolution of the ugly/dad shoe thing from years back (whatever that has evolved into now). The Evo SL does really look the part. I has the silhouette and the design language. I do expect many collabs on it over the next year.
Adidas actually created some Y3 track shoes which Noah Lyles and Grant Holloway both used to win gold at the Paris Olympics. On the subject of “dad shoes” I bought some Nike Tailwind ‘79 trainers for some hopes-for retro style a couple of years ago and it turns out they were the marathon super shoes of their time back in 1978/79! 😀
Right now, betwene the TS10 & A9, you have a plated and non-plated race flat option. The A9 will be much softer and flexible. However, with the TS11, my current thinking (based on the comments on this video and my AP4/Evo SL video) is that the TS11 may evolve to be a bit more like the Evo 1 and/or more like a Vaporfly as far as an all rounder. The Ap4 is all well rounded now... but it makes sense for the TS11...we shall see.
Different foams too. The TS10 has "classic" LSP and the A9 will have "new" LSP (I assume). I bet the TS11 with also have "new" LSP and the Lightraxion outsole...
I am thinking either Adidas will continue with Evo 1 at a more affordable price or they will tweek the Sen 11 to be their other race shoe like Alphafly/Vaporfly, Edge/Sky, Elite/Pro4 duo in other brands. Boston 12 and Evo SL will be their tempo training and long run shoes. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for Adidas. Now about the guy who made the comment: Had you said one should use race shoes for daily training, that would have been shilling for shoe companies as race shoes are much more expensive and have half the life and durability of daily trainers. Training means you challenge your body coordination and muscles. You learn how to use a handsaw before a table saw so you learn how wood behaves. A hammer before a nail gun. You learn how to balance on one leg to help folks walk or perform better balancing on two legs. You train for running in daily trainers to train your muscles so racing in race shoes will not only be easier and more pleasant but also less impactful on your already trained muscles.
Again, the comments on this channel change my thinking. I was not thinking about he Takumi Sen becoming more like a Evo Vaporfly. I mean, in my 2nd video on this channel, which was a review of the TS9, I said Addias needed to make the Takumi Sen more like the Vaporfly....but I didn't actually think it would happen. I'm leaning towards that a bit now. This would also offer Adidas a platform for a much lighter weight shoe... hmmm, hmmm. The Evo SL is the "more affordable" Evo...and the AP4 is the racing tech from the Evo. So the Evo 1 is "replaced", for all but Elites. I agree... 2025 is going to be an exciting year for Adidas. So will 2026. Per the comment guy - I mean, "Hammer before nailgun" (love this analogy) and I'm fully on board with the reasons and benefits of training in a trainer, which I didn't even both to explan (as I already have plenty of content on it). I wasn't offended of bothered by his comment, I just thought it was an interesting discussion point. Comments like yours show that. Thank you! 🙏🏻
I really want to try and buy different brands, but for the last 1 1/2 year only ASICS & Adidas have managed to capture my imagination. Nike is trying hard to rebound, but too many and confusing models and too much Air.
Adidas has been 2024 for me, at least the first half. I'm back full scale into Nike at the moment though. Asics has been decent and other brands have bene hit our miss. I'm going to review all of this in December in my year end content. It has been a great year for shoes, much better than I expected. 2025 looks to be even better though.
@yiann1sk Honestly, I don’t think it will be the Peg Premium. It may be a cool shoe and have some lifestyle use cases…. But I likely won’t be a great runner. Heavy, unstable, loud… but the tech in the shoe is cool and I think we will see it in other Nikes down the line.
@@SagasuRunning An interesting update: As you may know, EVO SL goes for a limited release on October 24th and for Shanghai they asked me to prepare my "Marathon Certificate" and fwd it on 22-23 October so they review it and confirm the "purchase rules". Can you believe it? Just to buy a shoe!! 🫨 Interesting to see what will happen in other countries. What about Taipei?
@@yiann1sk Wow, they are doing that for the Evo SL? Crazy, that has only been done for proper super shoes in the past. No mention of the shoe here in Taipei, nothing in Addias's site or TW insta... 🤷🏼♂
Adidas made their own problem. And it's a good problem to have, it's like advertising for them. If I was an elite Adidas athlete, and I couldn't get access to the Evo...I'd probably not be an Adidas athlete for long, especially as all the other companies are leaning into dropping weight on top end marathon shoes. The Evo SL, with what appears to be a traditional inner heel collar padding has me VERY excited to try. The Boston 12 was a terrible shoe (for me) due to that head scratching massive space between the inner heel collar bumper pads that just caused heel lift. I was hoping the entire Adizero line would start to tighten up that space between the heel collar bumbers (or better still connect them)....but maybe I'm just an outlier, and they aren't getting heel lift feedback complaints. ATM Nike and ASICS have the best heel lockdowns preventing heel lift, because they actually provide material directly above the heel....crazy concept...I know.
I would neither want to run all my workouts in the same race shoes. Having even a small shoe rotation is good for the body in the same way as rotating between trail , gravel and road running.
Fantastic review. Maybe Adidas will send you all new Adidas shoes to give your channel a shot at top. Am bored with #BITR clickbait approach. QUERY 1: For okay runners like myself with slightly heel strike, can we buy Adios Pro 3 and use it as a daily trainer/temp trainer/long run shoes? Me thinks that Pro 3 might be a better option than SuperBlast 2 and Endorphin Speed 4. QUERY 2: How do you compare Takumi Sen 10 to other new Adidas shoes other than Pro 4? Can we use it as a half-marathon shoe that is lighter than Pro 3 and 4 (given that it is hard to get EVO 1). Thanks!!!!
On 1 my take is that I effectively use the Adios Pro 3 as a "super trainer" as I prefer to race in Vaporflys although I use the Speed 4 as well and "boring" shoes like the Peg 41 for easier runs. I can't use a Superblast as don't do my size. Ultimately I feel there are no "rules" - if a certain shoe works for you doing a certain thing then I say go for it but I would also say try different things to be sure of this. Based on my experience of the Sen 9 (not got 10) then sure you could race a HM in them but I would be very surprised if you could go faster in them than the Pro ones. I never saw any real difference even over 5K.
QUERY 1: The AP3 is an excellent heel striker option and training option for tempo/long runs...not daily though. QUERY 2: The AP4 looks to be more well rounded with the new geometry, but the TS10 is still going to be the more "race flat" like workout shoe. We will see what comes with the TS11.
regarding the shoe rotation controversy i find the whole thing pretty silly to argue about. The narrative of the critics normally goes along the line, that we spend more money if we have more shoes in the rotation. This is pure nonsense. The amount of money we spend in shoes i purely depending on the price of the shoes and the durability. .....example: Lets say i run 250 miles per month and my shoes have all the same price of 150 $ and the same durability of 300 miles runner1 has a 1 shoe shoeroteation. He uses a total of 10 pairs, all one pair at a time during the year totalling the cost to 1500 $ runner2 buys 10 pairs on the first of january and spends also 1500 $. He has a 10 pair rotation and runs every 10th run in the same shoes result: to spend less money in shoes buy cheaper and more durable shoes......or run less...every things else is just mumbo jumbo looked over a longer timespan, you can do the same with a 100 shoe rotation, still no difference in total cost to a 1 shoe rotation
🤯 Reading this felt like a High School math test problem...the kind I was awful at. 🤣 I think I get your point. Though, you are assuming all shoes cost the same, no?
@@SagasuRunning right, the point is, it is a stupid myth to believe, that somebody with a 30 shooe rotaion spends more money for shoes than somebody with owning one shoe at a time. the combination of the price of the shoes, the durability of the shoes and the total mileage run per year are the factors to put into the equation. I run 3300 miles per year and use around 25 different shoes per month. I spend way less every other person in the world with the same 3300 miles peryear. Hopw do i do that? All shoes i buy are discounted between 20 and 30 %. Most of my shoes are in the midlle or lower price segments of the brands, I use all shoes well over the point where they are worn out. So telling me i waste my money on shoes is just not true, a bunsh of my shoes i actually run in are from 2016 or 2017, all my shoes are worn at least for 500 miles no matter what, but i still get called crazy and wasteful for the number of shoes i own
Some conversations just aren't worth it. So I don't have them. If you know the other party is potentially receptive to a difference of opinion, even if you ultimately agree to disagree, that's fine. But when you have those ray of sunshine people that are there only to cause problems, it's best to not give them what they want....attention. If they want to be ignorant enough to ONLY run in stiff carbon fibre equivalent shoes, all the power to them, I hope they enjoy their recovery/injury time! LMAO
I know, I know. That little "ray of sunshine", as you put it, just wanted to argue. Still though, it was a question that interested me. I'll be going much more in depth on it soon.
Definitely a minority POV in the space. The only elites I really see training in plated shoes the vast majority of the time are Kenyan, Ugandan and Ethiopian elites...even then I suspect the press photos shared by the teams are usually shot on days the teams are kitted up and together for key workouts. Kipchoge's training group seems to be 95% plated shoes though and has always been that way. All other elites I see training are definitely in palted shoes much less. Even more so lately, I'm seeing them in trainers more often.
Nike haters are honestly annoying AF most of them simply dont like Nike because they can’t afford it or because they think its “cool” to hate on what’s literally the best brand out there for performance
i just thought the commenter was stoned. why didnt they just call it the torsion system 2.0. then the evo SL could just be the true boston. same with the adios, call it torsion system 2.0. Dont care how adidas markets its shoes, if it sells to non runners or not. Kind of like non runners wearing hoka or ON , adidas just trying to stay relevant. they need to. just ran a race yesterday in colorado. only one other adidas shoe at the front of starting line other than my ap3. some dude in takaumi 10 doing the half. mostly nike vf3/2 af3/2 random other brands no adidas. noone els in CO runs in adidas only tinman elite😅
They already have a "torsion system 2.0", that was what is in the Adios 8. Ya, CO is NOT Adidas country, like at all. Neither is Flag. These "elite" American running locations have very little Adidas anything, outside of Tinman Elite...yup. In fact it's really interesting to me to see how little Adidas running you actually see in the US, compared to Nike, Hoka, On...even Brooks. You see more on the east coast than the west, more for casual runners than you do for serious runners. When I was in NYC, I knew ZERO people who seriously trained/raced in Adidas. It was nearly 100% Nike. At best there were a few of us who trained in Bostons and Adios, but no one raced in them, Nike Streaks were the main racer and once the 4% came out that was the end of it for Adidas, even in training.
The funniest thing avout that "shill" conspiracy comment is that if you really were incentivized to make more $ for companies like Nike (your most talked about brand), you would instead tell everyone to run all the time in Vaporflies (like this commenter suggests). They are more expensive AND less durable, probably 2-4x as expensive/km to the consumer as a Pegasus. It's just a theory not even rooted in logic 😅
Omg, very few people could afford to go through a $250 racing shoe every month. It's actually more economical to buy multiple pairs of shoes and only race or do hard workouts in racing shoes. I just cannot wrap my head around that comment. I guess if you only run like 10 miles a week it may make more sense, but then you probably aren't going to care about getting real racing shoes.
I mean, taking cost out of it (which I do) it's not that outrageous...given the prevalence of plated performance trainers and people doing easy runs in shoes like the Boston 12. I will often pair a worn out super shoe with a fresher one, same as I do with trainers...having options. Still though, the argument of it all was just non sensical.
The comment is absurd and just the opposite of what is right. The reason why 30k people can run a given marathon like NY/Boston etc. is the advancement and protection from trainers. Have you seen people's feet? Most of them do not have the structure to withstand the mileage endurance running requires. I ran 33 marathons, I can't walk without trainers and orthotics, poor foot structure. I think this is also why adi and Nike are trying to wean people off the carbon plates in training shoes- injuries. Trainers are for training, and yes a good portion of the sales go to lifestyle, that's just the nature of the silhouette (let's be honest walking all day in a Peg is much nicer than a Jordan, any Jordan). When it comes to your channel, firstly you race and that puts you in an upper tier of requirements, secondly you are highly engaged and want to try everything in the marketplace (the old joke about cyclists or guitar players or any gear-based activity is the right amount is N+1). Can 99% of runners get by on one pair of Pegs? Absolutely, but your channel is targeted more to the 1% of sub-elite athletes. Are running companies way over sku'ed? Yes! They are creating niches within niches in the category, but they pay for that when they have to put shoes on sale and take a hit on the margin. Every shoe company wants the lifestyle crossover to lift sales, It is unfortunate that adidas was deliberately marketing to streetwear (the product manager said we can market to lifestyle and it won't hurt our true runners, they don't look at the marketing anyway and will still buy the shoe no matter). Salomon has greatly benefited from haute couture, are they any less performance? I no longer race and just run for fun but I enjoy your content and the research you do on the culture of the sport
Great points here, I agree for the most part. I'm happy to see Nike and Adidas taking the lead weaning people off of plated shoe dependency. Plated shoes are great tools and great for some training and racing, but there is a massive benefit to running/racing in plated shoes by training in non-plated shoes. Fully agree all brands, not just Nike and Adidas, are VERY over SKU'd...all running and shoe lines need massive pruning. Good callout on Salomon and fashion culture. I had forgot about this.
Agree regarding the Evo SL marketing. The entire Adizero line including clothing has always been about training and racing. For lifestyle+causal running, that is more the ultraboost line and others.
@@SagasuRunning Yup. All their Adizero products descriptions including things like T-shirt, caps etc are about how it helps with performance. The Evo SL is the only one they mention about wearing it not just for running (the ‘or not’) which gives some of lifestyle vibes. Really strange
Youre the best communicator for running content!!
Because of you I am excited for every run i am on. Because of you I always looks into how to better spend my money on shoes, you definitely not promote us to keep buying!
But you makes us think and excited for the shoe even if you not like it, you always makes sure that your opinion is unique to you and that is what interesting.
Keep these content coming!! Being in my current situation I had 8 weeks off from running due to injury and I would be excited to see how you kicked off your training plan.
I appreciate the kind words and support. I do try to share my excitement for everything I cover in this channel. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunningI second @subhi2698 comment.
Always enjoy your monthly shoe talk. Looking forward to the Evo SL when it releases, it might become my go to do it all trainer. Given the difficulty in finding Superblasts, and Evo SL is much cheaper, this may turn me away from finding a Superblast
The Evo SL should be readily available. I bet I’ll even be able to find it here in Taiwan easily.
Thank you for watching the monthly. I enjoy just sitting down, unscripted/outlined and riffing on shoe stuff. 🤙🏻
One of the best running youtubers out there. Great channel, always elaborated contents amd a friendly tone. Keep it up!
Thank you for the support. 🙏🏻
Thank you. Thank you. That means alot to hear. 🙏🏻
Thanks for all you content, it really helped me navigate the quite complex waters of running shoes (from a beginner POV). Today I finished my first marathon in Berlin (2:58:45) and your content helped me to choose the right shoe (Adios Pro 3). It was the right decision and the shoe suits me really well.
Congratulations! Great time time too. Wow! 👏🏻🙌🏻🎉
I'm glad what I do here helped you on your path. Thank you for being here! 🤙🏻
Potential shoe topic: Companies subtly reducing the length (by 1/2 size or so) of an existing shoe model when developing the new version, so that they marketing department can say "it now weighs X grams less (or now has as stiffer plate but weighs the same) and has X mm more stack in the heel" etc. Yowana mentioned this in his Mach 6 review, and I have had to return both the Mach 6 and Takumi Sen 10 due to this. I have also heard the SL2 is potentially guilty of the same. You may know of other examples. It's obviously not the most unethical practice, intended or not, but it sure is annoying and a good way to lose customers from your brand - if the sizing becomes more of a gamble between models, I know I will tend to just look elsewhere. Yes everyone's foot is different etc but I would be amazed if the aforementioned examples had the same insole length at the very least.
I don't know if this is an organized thing for brands. Lasts for shoes change and evolve model to model.
I'd NEVER look at Hoka for consistency in sizing/fit. The biggest problem with Hoka and the deal breaker for me is just how inconsistent sizing and fit is from shoe to shoe...for-literally-ever... it's a mess, always has been.
I did have to go half a size up in the TS10, I called this out in all my content on the shoe. However, the SL2 was TTS for me and I've had no other shoes, from Adidas or any other brand, this year that I had this issue with. If anything I had more shoes run a half size long this year and if I wanted a race fit I'd definitely size half size DOWN.
Really interesting info on these new shoes. Will really need to try the Evo SL when it comes out. Continue woh content like this.
Thank you! Will do! 🤙🏻
As always pleased to watching you talking!
Thank you. Always good to have you here.. 🙏🏻
Amazing content! You help me understand why I like certain shoes more than others, and this will in turn help me figure out on my own if I will enjoy the latest releases of these brands! By myself I would never have that "aha" moment "aha that's why I like this shoe so much!" as you spelling it out with the actual shoe in hand to demonstrate. 🤩
I'm happy to hear this. It's a big reason i do what I do here. So it's great to hear! 🤙🏻
I read that comment 🤷 The person must have had a bad day 🤔 No matter what you do, you can't please everyone. For me, you are the professor of running shoes on UA-cam 💪🙂 I don't always agree with you. But I have huge respect for your channel and your knowledge 👍🥇💪. I also hadn't seen that the Evo C would turn out to be an SL. And not a shoe at all for that price. It also surprises me that they have chosen to use the Evo name on it. But a really exciting shoe
Thank you for the kind words and support. I don't expect everyone to always agree with me. I know i have some tastes and opinions that are counter to the mainstream thinking in running right now.
I did suspect the Evo C could be a Boston replacement, of some sort (I mentioned this in past videos), but did not expect the execution we got with the Evo SL. Still, it is an exciting shoe.
@@SagasuRunning 👍🙂
The reason I follow your channel is that you provide an interesting perspective on trainers. I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but it's always interesting and worth thinking about. In addition, you have access to information that I don't.
I've had an enforced 2 month break from running recently and just now am probably over compensating from not running like crazy 😊
Love the channel - thank you!
@@dgcadogan I'm glad you find value here and enjoy it. You definitly don't need to agree with me all of the time...that is how great ideas are born. Thank you for being here. 🤙🏻
I had the same thinking before i started running. You only needed one pair and anymore was wasted. Then i started running and i found it fun. Having different shoes help bring some variety in my runs thus increasing the enjoyment.
A rotation is a must, but you don't need alot, just the right choices.
Adios 9! Can't wait to see your review!
I can’t wait to review the Adios 9. So you are me both!
New subscriber here, just found your channel and it’s great! Keep up with the content
I’m happy to have earned the new sub. Thank you for being here. 🤙🏻
The storm will barely miss us here in the Philippines . Take care over there as it will intensify over the sea.
Ya, it’s a bit north for you guys. The eastern mountains will pretext most of Taiwan… but they will take a hit again.
Hello Chris! Some comments..
1. Spartan rotation: Plated Racer and Non Plated Trainer. Makes total sense to me, since when training you don`t want extra assistance but a sturdy shoe (more outsole rubber) with the same stride profile and making you muscles do the work. Yes, fast training may require another shoe. And this goes along with elites training in Evo 1, now having a hard time having it to race (??). But me... I have manynmore shoes than I need, because I like it 😂
2.1 I`d like to share some insight over Lighstrike foam. I own a Boston 11 and it dwarfed down a lot at LS foam, while LS Pro remains the same. I am heavy and I pronate. Its kinda interesting (to me) becaise it feels like a 6 mm shoe, and not the regular 10 mm drop. I still have use to it, and the outsole is sturdy, so I wont trash it.
2.2 I just watched Believe in the Run 1st impressions of Evo SL, and they say the midsole is Adios Pro 3 compound. So, what I`m thinking is: today we still have Boston 12 with LS 2.0. It seems to crease and dwarf down too. This is a type of shoe that responds to your stride and mould itself over time. I the other hand we have the LS PRO foams, where it doesnt change its geometry. That said, Evo SL with a nice sturdy outsole seems to me a very durable and high quality trainer.
2.3 I still own an old SL20, the first Lightstrike foam shoe and it really compressed too. Today it feels less like an running shoe and more like an Allstar shoe.
2.4 All in all, I find it interesting Adidas still having shoes with LS 2.0 as a more adaptive sort of midsole option. Not sure if they designed it, but interesting indeed. On the other hand I own a Takumi Sen 8 and it still is the same out of the box. No geometry change at all.
Lightstrike foam is just standard EVA foam, 2.0 was more airy to be lighter, which is why it compresses so much more. It seems Adidas is (finally) moving away from Lightstrike foam, at least in the Adizero range. The last shoe it is in, looking ahead into 2025, is the SL2...and that makes sense as the SL2 doesn't need to be full LSP, especially now with the Evo SL. The Adios 9 had the LS foam removed and I'm curious wha tthey do with the B13.
This isn't a bad thing as LS foam is nothing special, at all.
Really enjoy your channel mate, best shoe reviewer and most interesting and useful in the category. Hilariously, on a whim, and due to hyrox, I bought the puma deviate nitro 3 recently. When i got home, i looked at your review and was gutted to hear you hate them more than any shoe in the world 😂 They’ve been pretty decent (first carbon shoes for me) although have recently turned into blister machines! I would love to know what kind of shoe you’d recommend for a hyrox event… appreciate its not your sport but I think you’d have a good insight regardless.
Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I really appreciate it. Thank you for watching.
You know, I've gotten numerous questions about Hyrox in the past few months. It's definitely a growing thing. My answer has been the same...I'd want something lower to the ground and more stable. Any shoe can do the 1k runs inbetween the sets, but no every shoe would be good for the functional work. Shoes like the Nike pegasus 41, Puma Velocity Nitro 3 and now the Inov8 Roadfly would be my recoomendation. Even Nike Metcons (or some type of training shoe) would work well...1k runs really are not that long or demanding for a shoe.
Love the video! As a 90kg runner who mainly does 10km I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the Evo SL. Would they go well the Boston 12s ( as currently I use them for everything). Also welcome to any other suggestions, SB2 are on my radar also
If you use the B12 for everything the Evo SL will be a much needed (no plated) shoe for you... having a solid non-plated do anything shoe will be good.
For 10ks, the demand son the shoes are fairly low. At 90kg you could likely get away with anything you want to try. The SB2 is fine, but really only useful for runs over 25k. A Novablast will be fine here.
@@SagasuRunning thank you for your advice. That makes a lot of sense, I’ll definitely try and get the Evo SLs and see how I progress into longer distances in the future
26:26 what do you mean by "workouts"? Also how do you keep all your shoes so clean especially at the bottom? Mine gets dirty after just a single run.
Workouts = A session, or intervals, reps…Speed work mostly for me right now. Could be tempo running, etc.
Clean shoes = ua-cam.com/video/Nrf_zSt4BVI/v-deo.html
I still have the adios 8 and there is such infinite forefoot outsole rubber that the outsole will never wear out. But I find myself reaching for the Takumi Sen 10 for workouts. I have only used the adios 8 in my recent memory for some sessions on the elliptical or extremely recovery pace just to feel the ground.
The exposed shank that Adidas put into the Adios 7 and and the Takumi Sen 7 - I’m sure other shoes - I don’t love it. I will inevitably catch a price of gravel or a stone and make a horrible grinding scrape noise that I always find unnerving. The Nike Streak had a shank but it was maybe 10mm above the ground which was better. Granted the voids could trap a stone and scrape and that was annoying but nothing like the nails on chalkboard situation with the low adios shank.
Ya, those exposed shanks the Adios (and Boston) have had, forever...could be brutal. The Adios 8 could make some VERY scary crunching sounds on some terrain (fine gravel on a hard surface was the worst). So it's good to see Adidas finally move those shanks internal after all these years.
I LOVED the forefoot patch of Conti rubber on the Adios 8. It made that shoe so much more robust for easy running. Outstanding...but it was heavy and WAY more than the shoe needed for a workout/race application. Though I also think it was there to cover/protect the torsion rods int he forefoot, that acted like a spike plate. I'm happy to see a big piece of Conti rubber on the Evo SL.
The TS10 did replace the A8 for me though...nearly completely.
I think the thick forefoot rubber is a significant part of the stiffening / stabilization of the forefoot on the AP8.
@brianreiter5572 Agree, fully. The A9 is going to have a very different ride. As I said, much closer to the Nike Streakfly.
Enjoy these monthly updates keep em coming !
Also wanted to ask
Is it too early if I shop for race day shoes 2 months before my first full marathon?
Thank you for watching.
2 months before a Marathon? Id say that is borderline late. If anything I'd want to know what I'm going to race in before I start a build, or at least have narrowed it down to 2 shoes. That way I can train in them and get used to them/understand them. Definitely by 45 days before the race I will know my race shoe and will be doing my key long runs in it.
I'm now an industrial design student and I'm interested in how you would design a shoe line?
I really enjoyed that cortez video. I made my friends watch it and I was geeking out on them haha! More history videos!
My BFA is in industrial design, way WAY back when. never focused on footwear or sporting goods back then, I was a skater/snowboarder who wanted to be an architect.
How would I design a running shoe line? Ha, that is an involved question. Take a little from Nike, a bit from Adidas, a dash of Asics and boom...you'll have something for sure.
If you have not found Richard Kuchinsky and his instagram.com/directivecollective/ yet...here you go, you'll enjoy I'm sure. he is an actual industrial designer specializing in running shoes with a consultancy focused on it.
Nice talk about the "trainer" conspiracy. Quite funny. It doesn't matter how many shoes you have. If you use them all till the end of their lifetime and keep running the same number of miles, you are NOT consuming more. It is actually cheaper to have a trainer and a racer than just do everything with a racer. I have 11 pairs now between trail and road, and after the initial "ramp up" to this amount, I am buying very few shoes. Only my daily trainers are replaced regularly. I still have Endorphin Speed 1's which I only use for workouts. I have Speedgoat EVO's that I only used for racing (now just for training). I still have Alphafly 1's, just for racing. All old shoes. It's kind of frustrating because I want to try newer ones 🙂
I don't think his angle was a durability or consumption one. I think he genuinely was arguing Trainers are just for casuals and real runners one run in racers... literally.
I'm glad you brought up the 'lifestyle' marketing aspect of the EVO SL. I don't know if it's a result of a disconnect but more or a push to further normalize wearing 'performance' running shoes in a casual setting. I vaguely remember seeing someone speaking about this in relation to some Hollywood film star rocking some vaporflys with jeans, but also you can see Patrick Nava wearing Takumi Sen 10 with his non-running clothes in the Believe in the Run AP4 video, and just the other day I saw a man in his Sunday best going for a pub lunch in Alphafly 3s! Personally, I don't like wearing running shoes if I'm not running, but I can definitely see as a way for the big brands to sell more shoes
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"Personally, I don't like wearing running shoes if I'm not running ..." I walk my dog in (old) Hoka Mafate. Is that ok?
@@HawaiiFranke my old trail shoes becoming hiking shoes
I noticed the Patrick in the TS10s in the RW video as well. However, that was TRE in Nov 2023 and the TS10 was the new release at the time. So brand folks will typically wear the shoe of the moment. It's why you've seen Elliot Heath from Nike in AF3s in product interviews. It's more being on brand in those events where the interviews happen, less a casual statement.
However... yes, the performance shoe as hyperbeast/fashion thing...thats been around. The off-white Vapoerflys, Gyakusou Vaporflys, Y3 PrimeX/TS10/AP3s... they are around.
Funny enough, here in Taipei. 90% of the time if I see someone wearing Alphaflys, it's casually. AF2s are VERY popular here as a casual lifestyle shoe.
Last time I was in Zurich, in the hotel resturant at breakfast. i saw this guy roll up to a table, one of those super fashionable 40 something Euro guys with long "surfer" hair and lots of jewlery in a 4 figure bespoke suit...wearing OG black/green AF1s. I swear I see Alphaflys worn casually more than I see them on runners feet. 🤣
Some also say that we are all buying runningshoes because we are scared of running barefooted. Everybody knows you run faster barefooted than in any shoe possible…
Just kidding. No tin-foil hats here 🤓✌️ Great content as always. Agreed that I also don’t always agree with 100% of what you are saying. But that’s not the point of a UA-cam channel. It’s to share knowledge and experiences. And all of that you do, I really appreciate! Thanks once again, Sagasu 🙏👟
Actually barefoot running is….. 🙃🤫😂
You definitely don’t need to agree with me 100% of the time. Finding what is valuable here and there is enough. I appreciate the kind words and am happy to have you here. 🤙🏻
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Glad to hear that, and likewise 🤙
These are so good 👍🏻
Glad you like them!
Interesting to see where Adidas positions it Pro4. I found the AMSP much faster in 10s and HM - but the Pro3 came very much alive during the last 10K of a full marathon and was catching up with the Asics during the last K's. But.....that meant that the use was pretty limited. Will the Pro4 fill the gap to be also great for HMs?
The AP4 has the Evo 1 (Vaporfly like) geometry and SHOULD be a much more versatile shoe. The more aggressive rocker will make it much better for a range of road racing. It should be a much better all rounder, yes.
Welcome back goat 🐐. Hope the trip was well!! Is it too soon to call the new EVO SL the forbidden S word? Super excited to get my hands on it though. I’ve been on a huge trail running kick lately with the Adidas Agravic Speed and the Nike Zegama 2.
The trip was great, but it's good to be back in Taiwan (and not in the US).
The Evo SL is a non-plated performance trainer.... what is this forbidden S word you are referencing. 🤔
Also am on a bit of a trail kick, enjoy the Nike Peg Trail 5 (oddly) and a few others I can't mention at the moment. I'm finding trail strength work complimenting track and speed workouts well.
@@SagasuRunningSuper trainer is the forbidden word. I know we don’t use that word around here so that’s why it’s forbidden 😂. I want to try the Trail 5 as well, I saw a lot of talk online saying the Trail 5 is a much softer shoe compared to Peg 40 and even the Peg 41. What’s your thoughts on that take?
@dickhead7348 It is softer, though the feel of the 41 is much better. The PT5 is the best Peg Trail for actual trail running in a few years. The outsole finally works too for actual trail running.
I’ll have a review up in a few weeks.
@@SagasuRunningAwesome can’t wait.
Not sure how many trail shoes you’re looking to add but the Agravic Speed (not the ultra) is such a unique shoe it might be worth checking out if you’re on a trail kick. It’s a 30/22 stack. The stack height is a little misleading. It has Lightstrike kinda wrapped around the upper for support and under your foot is completely Lightstrike Pro. 240 grams in a US size 9 too
I enjoyed this vid. Great callout on the marketing disconnect for Evo SL. I actually quite confuse if this model is an extension/next generation of SL2 from a consumer perspective. If Evo SL is similar to B12, definitely I don't need to consider that. Perhaps adidas' marcomm team hasn't aligned well with what the product team's intention of creating these new models. The disconnect def created some unnecessary misunderstanding on these shoes. That's said, I am still looking forward to the launch of Evo SL in Asia.
The Evo SL got the "SL" label. "SL" means "superlight" for Adidas. However, it's not always performance orientated. In fact, it originates in 1972 from a casual shoe. I covered this in my SL2 review.
I'm not sure there is a disconnect now in Adidas marketing and product, based on the conversation in these comments. Many good points as to how Adidas often dos this with Adizero models (Y3, Stella McCartney, etc).
The Evo SL should replace the B12 for the vast majority of runners. We wills ee what the B13 becomes...tons of ideas around that one int he comments of my AP4/Evo SL design analysis video.
I'm with you though...definitely lookin forward to the Evo SL release here in Asia.
Evo 2 sounds like something possible for Boston 25 more than fall 24, especially if they bring there their top guys like Tola and Lemma.
Agree. Though Berlin 25 seems even more likely. I was more defending the fact we may see leaks or an update to the world athletics approved shoes list with a new “dev” shoe or two for Adidas at some point this fall.
I have been using barefoot shoes for walking and best decision I have made, been wearing the Hykes Flex and love how they feel, once you get used to them you will never go back to regular shoes.
I come from a barefoot shoe/running background. After I read Born to Run in 2009, I jumped in feet first (pun intended). Lived/ran in barefoot shoes exclusively from around 2009-2013'ish, kept up wear only Vivobarefoots casually until around 2016 though i ran in Lunas and "normal" shoes by then.
Now-a-days, I spend 90% of my day barefoot (I work from home and don't need to leave the house unless I want too) but I run in "normal" shoes, only occasionally in Lunas.
Barefoot maximialism is not my thing anymore. Shoe are tools. Having a natural shaped shoe in your rotation to work on foot strength and spending as much time as possible barefoot is good. But running in "normal" shoes is just fine too. Building foot strength is more important.
I'll have some content exploring this in Oct/Nov...stay tuned.
Interesting to see how the Evo SL is, as a lover of the Boston 12, SL2 & Takumi Sen I’m not sure how I could fit another one into the rotation 🙂
The lifestyle push is probably to appeal to a wider market (= more £$) similar to On over in the UK. I probably see more people wearing On shoes in the pub than out running these days.
The Evo SL will likely replace the B12 and SL2 for many runners. A rotation of SNR/Evo SL/AP4 will tick alot of boxes in just three shoes.
@@SagasuRunning interesting, will look forward to the release. Must say, I’ve not been using my B12 as much since getting the SL2.
Keep up the good work 👍🏻
The SL2 is quite good, right? Surprisingly versatile.
@@SagasuRunning yes very much so, love it. It reminds of the Glide Boost 6,7,8 from a good few years ago but with modern technology. And it can be picked up for less than £100 in the UK now.
Great deal.
There were photos going around of a Kith collab with Adidas on a shoe that looks a lot like the Evo SL. Similarly, Adidas has been doing those ridiculously expensive Y-3 models of their race shoes. It does send some mixed messages.
Adidas is VERY good about their fashion collabs. I mean Noah Lyles won the 100 in Paris in Y3 spikes. I believe I saw Kith AP4s in leaks too. Definitely saw Evo 1s at one point (not sure they ever came out though). Adidas does do this stuff very well.
I'm curious about one thing.
In one of previous videos you mentioned that you like to run most of the runs in non plated shoes besides few key workouts.
As a cyclist who recently started dabling into running this seems odd in this day and age from cycling perspective. For example most amateur cyclists will use one bike in identical setup for easy and hard training and maybe swap tires to faster ones more prone to puncutures for racing.
What is motivation for not using plated shoes for regular daily workouts?
I'm a former cyclist (road and fixed road crits)... and the bike parallel to shoe has no bearing. Most cyclists stick to one all rounder bike due to cost. Those of us who raced, even at the amateur level, would AT LEAST have a race bike (often a aluminum frame and non carbon parts for crit racing due to crashes). I I also knew many people who had "aero" bikes as yet another option. Multi bike setups, even at the amateur lvel happen.
As far as why not to train in plated shoes 100% of the time.... I'll be making content on this specifically in oct/Nov. But it comes down to foot/leg strength. If your foot isn't naturally moving in training, in a non plated shoe, you are loosing alot of training effect.
Much more coming in this. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
I’d still like to see you try the Brooks Hyperion 2. Just seeing your preferences in shoes, I believe you’d be pleasantly surprised.
Funny story...I was actually going to go pickup a pair this week, before the typhoon. I have another shoe coming I want to compare it directly too. So you will likely see it in Oct/Nov. I'm very interested in it. Soon. 🤙🏻
I watched the BitR interview with Patrick Nava. It was long, but very interesting (loved the "This too shall pass" easter egg). I'm left wondering what questions you would've asked him, with your background in product design. I think it would be quite valuable if you could have similar interviews on your channel. I was surprised when the BitR crew talked about the Evo SL as a lifestyle shoe and Patrick had to correct them that it was actually a running shoe. Marketing dropped the ball with that one. Fingers crossed it'll release here soon. I'm still waiting for the Peg 41 and Peg Plus.😆
Trust me...if I have any primary goal on this channel it is to build relationships with brands and the product teams in those brands to be able to both tell the product stories from the source but also interview the key players... working on this daily right now...hopefully I'll get there. 💪🏻
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Adidas in Thailand (may be else where as well) accidentally put up the Adios Pro 4 online yesterday and people where placing orders like crazy. Then in a few hours they have to cancel all the orders made. It was suspicious when I first hear about that but people were rushing in to order them. A bit of a blunder by Adidas.
Same happened in Malaysia for Adidas. Oddly, earlier this summer something similar happened to Nike with the Peg Plus in Singapore (it’s how I had a pair weeks before anyone else). South East Asian CMS systems seem to have a mind of their own.
Maybe they were baiting to figure out allocation depending on demand 😉. It is a new shoe so i fugure there might be limited number of pairs as of now.
It wasn't accident, adidas confirmed it on instagram it will be available in Malaysia, Turkey and few other countries. I'd assume limited shock drop in those countries and that's it for now unfortunately lol
@@tkwasik they were made available with limited drop a few days ago where people had to go through some rules and enter a lotto with Adidas. Then 3 days later they popped on their online store where hundreds were sold in a matter a minutes. Some even bought them with 30% discount using their Adidas membership points. Many also got “Shipped” notice via the system and then the cancellation follows. I believe it was an unintended mistake though. The limited drop was meant to legalize their shoes to be raced in Berlin. But having made all sizes available for hundreds of order online then having to cancel them, that can’t be “planned”.
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Do you think the EVO SL will be a competitor to the Saucony Speed 4 or is the better comparison to the Boston 12?
On paper the only two shoes I think compare to the Evo SL are the Nike Peg Plus and Saucony Endorphin Speed 4, thats it. We will see a few other in 2025 from other brands though. The B12 is something else due to the stiffness of it. More like the Evo SL and B12 are complimentary to each other.
I'm going to have an update on the ES4 in Oct and I'll talk a bit more about this.
I think the Evo SL marketing is inspired by the hipster runners, and the growth of the urban running scene. There are crews like Barbes Runners from Paris, who are heavily associated with On Running, as well as Maurten. Their imagery at times includes kebabs, alcohol, coffee. A recent post from Adidas had the tagline "POV - your barista is a runner" and the guy had on the Evo SL, while the coffee making was the main focus. The ad campaign stands out, so they'll be happy, and casual runners (in particular) may wear them casually.
Interesting. I'm originally from NYC and we have alot of run crews/teams/groups (i.e. Black Roses, Orchard Street Runners, Bridge Runners, Brooklyn Track Club, et)...all of them have a social layer to them but they are all performance/running based as well. Not elitest, just about performance, the social layers are secondary.
Same with the run crews I'm away of out of the EU, though the social layers are a bit more dynamic there.
Maybe these EU run crews are evolving their own direction.
Adidas Streetwear, especially in the EU, is a very dominant style. So it makes sense in that way.
2:51 We do appreciate that, Sagasu. 🤟 Many runtubers don't bother to reply, I've seen even small ones with very few comments and they still don't engage with viewers. I don't know about everyone else, but not replying to comments when you don't have good excuse like being overwhelmed by thousands and thousands of comments, really gives me the vibes of somebody that thinks is above his/her subscribers. Like, "see man, I'm too cool to answer these peasants". LOL
Ya...I agree. I mean, it's a few things.
1). I'm a solo creator and I plan on staying that way for a long time. If your business model is different then the engagement and feedback isn't as important to you.
2). If someone takes the time to watch my content AND post a comment...I'm definitely going to respond to that effort. The conversation extends the video and the ideas and I think brings another layer of value to the channel.
3). I learn ALOT form my commenters and subscribers. I value that greatly.
4). This is the main reason I enabled "memberships" on the channel. So that I can reward the names I see in the comments all the time with badges. I realize paying for a subscription is not for everyone, but it's the only tool UA-cam gives me (at the moment) for this.
I know I am missing some comments lately. Especially '@s" as UA-cams comment system is basic at best and doesn't have the tools/filters I'd expect for such a platform. The only commenting system worst is Strava... ugh, Strava...
I do try to get everything though.
Will the mystical Adios 9 ever get released? At this rate we'll be seeing previews of the 10 soon!
December 2024.
I have a business and most of the reviews are very good. But we have got a few from people that didn’t even buy anything. Maybe some of them even just looked at the website or something.
So now I just try to put these out of my mind.
You can’t please everybody!
Take care
Ya, I don't often get those comments. So when I do...they standout to me. I rarely call them out of give them attention...but in this case the point was so absurd to be and/or so interesting to discuss I couldn't help it.
Hi! Nike invincible run 3 or Evo SL (For race day) ?
Definitely not the I3 for race day...haven't run in the Evo SL but as a trainer I also don't think it's a great choice for race day, of any distance. Will need to see when it comes out.
14:40 true, its even crazier Nike has elites winning Majors in the VF 2 and totally shunning the VF3 is pretty damning
Agree. The VF3 has been a revolution for me, as a non-elite (and I know this is the case for many others)... but what makes a shoe good for a non-elite is likely what makes it not good for an elite. Nike needs to fix this though and Adidas needs to avoid it.
Your RunningWarehouse comment in response to their old recorded video is pinned. So, more people will hopefully get the record straight thanks to you!
Ya, I just saw it. Happy to see that.
I find it weird that they decided to go for a very thick heel collar on the adios 9, which seems to be a step back from the 8 for a more dialed in race fit.
I'm going to guess it's a fit thing. Adizero heel counters have been problematic for many runners. The Adios 9 should be very flexible, which means an Adios 8 style heel counter wouldn't work well...so having more padding to lock the shoe to the heel is likely a good thing. Time will tell.
As soon as you mentioned a comment I knew the exact one that you were going to read out.
For context, my 10k PB is still in a non plated non super-foam flat. I’m not an amazing runner, but I’m OK, and certainly know my way around running shoes.
It did standout, alot. 🤣
What flat?
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Nice… old school.
I’m surprised in the exploded AP4 that there is still a substantial sock liner. Having a smooth strobel board and no sock liner is an obvious step for weight savings. Maybe they could not do that kind of manufacturing process at scale in the cost range they wanted to hit.
I agree. It may be deceptive in the exploded due to the render highlighting the parts...I won't know until I get a pair. I am expecting a minimal built in sock liner, like the AP3/SL2.
Even so it’s maybe 10 grams that doesn’t pull its weight.
Do we know what is the weight of the Evo 1 with the Continental rubber outsole that they don’t sell but is actually the one the elites race. Is it possible the conti rubber is heavy enough to come close to equalizing the weight with the AP4?
@brianreiter5572 Unlikely. I would assume the Evo 1 v2 is only a few grams heavier. Likely around 145-150in the sample size. Not substantial. Definitely not the 50g needed to get to the AP4.
In regards to SL evo being marketed as performance and lifestyle shoe, it make kind of sense for adidas to try to catch broader market
Many shoes come to the lifestyle as "performance " in the 1st place. SL evo look very clean and certainly will appeal to casual wearers, also light strike pro isn't to soft and as such imo its ok for everyday use, no plate helps too in that regard
Also adidas is doing this with other adios models - look at adidas colabs ... and this looks like natural flow into hyped casual sneaker market
Ya, it's not new for Adidas by any means. The Evo SL looks the part and has the design language for sure. What's unique with it though is the brand has built a performance trainer that has lifestyle appeal, from the ground up. The collabs on the PX2S/TS10/AP3 are all coming from the collaborators wanting those silhouettes, with little care for performance.
I'll be curious were they take the Evo SL with collabs beyond Kith...
Hi can you talk about the superblast scarcity conspiracy theory? Some people are claiming they are doing it on purpose
I have. I actually don't think it is "hunger marketing". I honestly think it is production limits. Asics sources their foams, especially their PEBA foams, in Asia and I think that source just can't keep up with production demands. The Superblast is FAR more popular than even Asics knows in the west.
What is ironic is that here in Taiwan Superblasts are on shelves of all Asics stores, even the small ones in department stores. You can generally have any colorway or size that you want. They just aren't popular here. Asics is popular here in Taiwan, probably the second most popular running brand behind Hoka, but the only people I see running in Superblasts are westerners here on business or vacation. Last time I was in japan it was similar.
So it really depends on the market you are in.
Adidas doesn’t loose as much money from EVO1, I believe Patrick in the interview said that material & production costs are covered by the price. R&D is not, but there’s no R&D if Adidas were to release another batch of EVO 1s.
Thus it makes no sense or so it seems to me, Adidas not cover all their elite runners with EVO 1s.
Yes he did...but those R&D costs to get the the Evo 1 are MASSIVE. Additionally the failure rate of the midsole parts, pre milling is massive from what I heard (near 45%). That is also a massive sunk cost. So speaking of the Evo 1 program, it's big investment in the brand and Adizero (which is great). But a massive red mark on a balance sheet otherwise.
hmm strange that a comment like that whould show up on your channel .. out of the shoe tube space , you are not the hard sell sort , if anything you have a tendancy to stress that your point of view is highly personal unless the topic is actually design and implementation. Ah well it was made me smile . I enjoyed the adios pro 2, the pro 3 sadly did not suit me due to the upper material and eyelet placement at the front . I look forward to trying the pro 4.
I appreciate that (about my presentation style).
The AP4 really solved the upper issue. The Evo 1 had an outstanding upper in feel… that carried into the AP4 for sure.
Adidas do something called the Y3 S-Gendo Run which is a lifestyle shoe but it has Lightstrike Pro and a Pebax plate (it’s £350 and does look cool). They are using their racing line to create an aesthetic in the same way as Ferrari use F1 to give their road cars more technology and street cred. The general training shoe market is big business and companies want their products to appeal to the cool kids so the rest copy them.
Ya, brands do this once in a while. Nike often creates lifestyle monstrosities, with race tech, within their ACG line and other collabs. Adidas has done alot of this too with Y#, Stella MaCartney, etc. These often have zero performance aspirations and are more building off the evolution of the ugly/dad shoe thing from years back (whatever that has evolved into now).
The Evo SL does really look the part. I has the silhouette and the design language. I do expect many collabs on it over the next year.
Adidas actually created some Y3 track shoes which Noah Lyles and Grant Holloway both used to win gold at the Paris Olympics. On the subject of “dad shoes” I bought some Nike Tailwind ‘79 trainers for some hopes-for retro style a couple of years ago and it turns out they were the marathon super shoes of their time back in 1978/79! 😀
@RichardHitchcock-ig4lj the Tailwinds sure were back in the day.
Not really dad shows… but definitely a retro vibe.
Where does the Takumi Sen go once the Adios 9 comes out? Seems like Adidas is competing with themselves a bit
TS11 will be an Adios 9 with rods and a little more of the latest Lightstrike pro foam I'd wager
Right now, betwene the TS10 & A9, you have a plated and non-plated race flat option. The A9 will be much softer and flexible.
However, with the TS11, my current thinking (based on the comments on this video and my AP4/Evo SL video) is that the TS11 may evolve to be a bit more like the Evo 1 and/or more like a Vaporfly as far as an all rounder. The Ap4 is all well rounded now... but it makes sense for the TS11...we shall see.
Different foams too. The TS10 has "classic" LSP and the A9 will have "new" LSP (I assume). I bet the TS11 with also have "new" LSP and the Lightraxion outsole...
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I am thinking either Adidas will continue with Evo 1 at a more affordable price or they will tweek the Sen 11 to be their other race shoe like Alphafly/Vaporfly, Edge/Sky, Elite/Pro4 duo in other brands. Boston 12 and Evo SL will be their tempo training and long run shoes. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for Adidas.
Now about the guy who made the comment: Had you said one should use race shoes for daily training, that would have been shilling for shoe companies as race shoes are much more expensive and have half the life and durability of daily trainers. Training means you challenge your body coordination and muscles. You learn how to use a handsaw before a table saw so you learn how wood behaves. A hammer before a nail gun. You learn how to balance on one leg to help folks walk or perform better balancing on two legs. You train for running in daily trainers to train your muscles so racing in race shoes will not only be easier and more pleasant but also less impactful on your already trained muscles.
Again, the comments on this channel change my thinking. I was not thinking about he Takumi Sen becoming more like a Evo Vaporfly. I mean, in my 2nd video on this channel, which was a review of the TS9, I said Addias needed to make the Takumi Sen more like the Vaporfly....but I didn't actually think it would happen. I'm leaning towards that a bit now. This would also offer Adidas a platform for a much lighter weight shoe... hmmm, hmmm.
The Evo SL is the "more affordable" Evo...and the AP4 is the racing tech from the Evo. So the Evo 1 is "replaced", for all but Elites.
I agree... 2025 is going to be an exciting year for Adidas. So will 2026.
Per the comment guy - I mean, "Hammer before nailgun" (love this analogy) and I'm fully on board with the reasons and benefits of training in a trainer, which I didn't even both to explan (as I already have plenty of content on it). I wasn't offended of bothered by his comment, I just thought it was an interesting discussion point. Comments like yours show that. Thank you! 🙏🏻
I really want to try and buy different brands, but for the last 1 1/2 year only ASICS & Adidas have managed to capture my imagination. Nike is trying hard to rebound, but too many and confusing models and too much Air.
Adidas has been 2024 for me, at least the first half. I'm back full scale into Nike at the moment though. Asics has been decent and other brands have bene hit our miss. I'm going to review all of this in December in my year end content. It has been a great year for shoes, much better than I expected.
2025 looks to be even better though.
@@SagasuRunning I really want to like something from Nike and hope Pegasus Premium would be the one.
@yiann1sk Honestly, I don’t think it will be the Peg Premium. It may be a cool shoe and have some lifestyle use cases…. But I likely won’t be a great runner. Heavy, unstable, loud… but the tech in the shoe is cool and I think we will see it in other Nikes down the line.
@@SagasuRunning An interesting update: As you may know, EVO SL goes for a limited release on October 24th and for Shanghai they asked me to prepare my "Marathon Certificate" and fwd it on 22-23 October so they review it and confirm the "purchase rules". Can you believe it? Just to buy a shoe!! 🫨 Interesting to see what will happen in other countries. What about Taipei?
@@yiann1sk Wow, they are doing that for the Evo SL? Crazy, that has only been done for proper super shoes in the past. No mention of the shoe here in Taipei, nothing in Addias's site or TW insta... 🤷🏼♂
Adidas made their own problem. And it's a good problem to have, it's like advertising for them. If I was an elite Adidas athlete, and I couldn't get access to the Evo...I'd probably not be an Adidas athlete for long, especially as all the other companies are leaning into dropping weight on top end marathon shoes. The Evo SL, with what appears to be a traditional inner heel collar padding has me VERY excited to try. The Boston 12 was a terrible shoe (for me) due to that head scratching massive space between the inner heel collar bumper pads that just caused heel lift.
I was hoping the entire Adizero line would start to tighten up that space between the heel collar bumbers (or better still connect them)....but maybe I'm just an outlier, and they aren't getting heel lift feedback complaints. ATM Nike and ASICS have the best heel lockdowns preventing heel lift, because they actually provide material directly above the heel....crazy concept...I know.
You know, my first thought when I saw the heel of the Evo SL...is that you will be happy. 🤙🏻
I would neither want to run all my workouts in the same race shoes. Having even a small shoe rotation is good for the body in the same way as rotating between trail , gravel and road running.
One of the best things runners can do to help their feet and reduce injury overall is rotate shoes. Even just two pairs is totally fine.
Evo al they want it to be like the peg, but cooler, ie shoes ppl buy to walk around
If any Adizero shoe can be iconic like the Pegasus...it likely would be the Evo SL form a silhouette POV.
Sorry but im all in on asics, didnt like the boston 12
Asics has some great shoes, if their foams work for you. 2025 Asics looks to have even more options....can't go wrong there.
makes no sense because trainers are cheaper... would make more sense if they said it about plated supershoes
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Speaking of racing, prior to the Wuhan virus, there were all-comers track meets here in NorCal. Sadly, the meets went away.
Where was this when it was happening?
@@SagasuRunning City of Campbell has an open community track. Otherwise, mostly at high school tracks in the south bay.
I see. I see.
I saw that comment.
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Fantastic review. Maybe Adidas will send you all new Adidas shoes to give your channel a shot at top. Am bored with #BITR clickbait approach. QUERY 1: For okay runners like myself with slightly heel strike, can we buy Adios Pro 3 and use it as a daily trainer/temp trainer/long run shoes? Me thinks that Pro 3 might be a better option than SuperBlast 2 and Endorphin Speed 4. QUERY 2: How do you compare Takumi Sen 10 to other new Adidas shoes other than Pro 4? Can we use it as a half-marathon shoe that is lighter than Pro 3 and 4 (given that it is hard to get EVO 1). Thanks!!!!
On 1 my take is that I effectively use the Adios Pro 3 as a "super trainer" as I prefer to race in Vaporflys although I use the Speed 4 as well and "boring" shoes like the Peg 41 for easier runs. I can't use a Superblast as don't do my size. Ultimately I feel there are no "rules" - if a certain shoe works for you doing a certain thing then I say go for it but I would also say try different things to be sure of this. Based on my experience of the Sen 9 (not got 10) then sure you could race a HM in them but I would be very surprised if you could go faster in them than the Pro ones. I never saw any real difference even over 5K.
QUERY 1: The AP3 is an excellent heel striker option and training option for tempo/long runs...not daily though.
QUERY 2: The AP4 looks to be more well rounded with the new geometry, but the TS10 is still going to be the more "race flat" like workout shoe. We will see what comes with the TS11.
Agree...Tim knows.
@@TimGroseMuch thanks, Mr. Tim.
@@SagasuRunningMuch thanks, Mr. Sagasu. Can you elaborate on why not as a daily trainer? Sorry, not an expert so need to know. Thanks!!!
regarding the shoe rotation controversy i find the whole thing pretty silly to argue about. The narrative of the critics normally goes along the line, that we spend more money if we have more shoes in the rotation. This is pure nonsense. The amount of money we spend in shoes i purely depending on the price of the shoes and the durability.
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Lets say i run 250 miles per month and my shoes have all the same price of 150 $ and the same durability of 300 miles
runner1 has a 1 shoe shoeroteation. He uses a total of 10 pairs, all one pair at a time during the year totalling the cost to 1500 $
runner2 buys 10 pairs on the first of january and spends also 1500 $. He has a 10 pair rotation and runs every 10th run in the same shoes
result: to spend less money in shoes buy cheaper and more durable shoes......or run less...every things else is just mumbo jumbo
looked over a longer timespan, you can do the same with a 100 shoe rotation, still no difference in total cost to a 1 shoe rotation
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Reading this felt like a High School math test problem...the kind I was awful at. 🤣
I think I get your point. Though, you are assuming all shoes cost the same, no?
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right, the point is, it is a stupid myth to believe, that somebody with a 30 shooe rotaion spends more money for shoes than somebody with owning one shoe at a time.
the combination of the price of the shoes, the durability of the shoes and the total mileage run per year are the factors to put into the equation.
I run 3300 miles per year and use around 25 different shoes per month.
I spend way less every other person in the world with the same 3300 miles peryear.
Hopw do i do that?
All shoes i buy are discounted between 20 and 30 %. Most of my shoes are in the midlle or lower price segments of the brands, I use all shoes well over the point where they are worn out.
So telling me i waste my money on shoes is just not true, a bunsh of my shoes i actually run in are from 2016 or 2017, all my shoes are worn at least for 500 miles no matter what, but i still get called crazy and wasteful for the number of shoes i own
@justanoldfashionedrunner605 Everyone has their priorities… you just never know. The way you look at it all doesn’t seem wasteful to me at all.
Some conversations just aren't worth it. So I don't have them. If you know the other party is potentially receptive to a difference of opinion, even if you ultimately agree to disagree, that's fine.
But when you have those ray of sunshine people that are there only to cause problems, it's best to not give them what they want....attention. If they want to be ignorant enough to ONLY run in stiff carbon fibre equivalent shoes, all the power to them, I hope they enjoy their recovery/injury time! LMAO
I know, I know. That little "ray of sunshine", as you put it, just wanted to argue. Still though, it was a question that interested me. I'll be going much more in depth on it soon.
David Roche reckons you (or elite runners) should only use plated shoes. For recovery
Definitely a minority POV in the space. The only elites I really see training in plated shoes the vast majority of the time are Kenyan, Ugandan and Ethiopian elites...even then I suspect the press photos shared by the teams are usually shot on days the teams are kitted up and together for key workouts.
Kipchoge's training group seems to be 95% plated shoes though and has always been that way.
All other elites I see training are definitely in palted shoes much less. Even more so lately, I'm seeing them in trainers more often.
Nike haters are honestly annoying AF most of them simply dont like Nike because they can’t afford it or because they think its “cool” to hate on what’s literally the best brand out there for performance
I'd say more the later... it is the "cool" thing to dunk on Nike right now, in running and otherwise....
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I’m a three shoe guy.
Excellent...ALL bases can be covered with three shoes...very very well.
i just thought the commenter was stoned. why didnt they just call it the torsion system 2.0. then the evo SL could just be the true boston. same with the adios, call it torsion system 2.0. Dont care how adidas markets its shoes, if it sells to non runners or not. Kind of like non runners wearing hoka or ON , adidas just trying to stay relevant. they need to. just ran a race yesterday in colorado. only one other adidas shoe at the front of starting line other than my ap3. some dude in takaumi 10 doing the half. mostly nike vf3/2 af3/2 random other brands no adidas. noone els in CO runs in adidas only tinman elite😅
They already have a "torsion system 2.0", that was what is in the Adios 8.
Ya, CO is NOT Adidas country, like at all. Neither is Flag. These "elite" American running locations have very little Adidas anything, outside of Tinman Elite...yup.
In fact it's really interesting to me to see how little Adidas running you actually see in the US, compared to Nike, Hoka, On...even Brooks. You see more on the east coast than the west, more for casual runners than you do for serious runners. When I was in NYC, I knew ZERO people who seriously trained/raced in Adidas. It was nearly 100% Nike. At best there were a few of us who trained in Bostons and Adios, but no one raced in them, Nike Streaks were the main racer and once the 4% came out that was the end of it for Adidas, even in training.
The funniest thing avout that "shill" conspiracy comment is that if you really were incentivized to make more $ for companies like Nike (your most talked about brand), you would instead tell everyone to run all the time in Vaporflies (like this commenter suggests). They are more expensive AND less durable, probably 2-4x as expensive/km to the consumer as a Pegasus. It's just a theory not even rooted in logic 😅
Yup, yup...or offering 3rd party affiliate links, giveaways and other branded offers. Things I will never do on this channel.
Omg, very few people could afford to go through a $250 racing shoe every month. It's actually more economical to buy multiple pairs of shoes and only race or do hard workouts in racing shoes. I just cannot wrap my head around that comment. I guess if you only run like 10 miles a week it may make more sense, but then you probably aren't going to care about getting real racing shoes.
I mean, taking cost out of it (which I do) it's not that outrageous...given the prevalence of plated performance trainers and people doing easy runs in shoes like the Boston 12. I will often pair a worn out super shoe with a fresher one, same as I do with trainers...having options. Still though, the argument of it all was just non sensical.
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The comment is absurd and just the opposite of what is right. The reason why 30k people can run a given marathon like NY/Boston etc. is the advancement and protection from trainers. Have you seen people's feet? Most of them do not have the structure to withstand the mileage endurance running requires. I ran 33 marathons, I can't walk without trainers and orthotics, poor foot structure. I think this is also why adi and Nike are trying to wean people off the carbon plates in training shoes- injuries. Trainers are for training, and yes a good portion of the sales go to lifestyle, that's just the nature of the silhouette (let's be honest walking all day in a Peg is much nicer than a Jordan, any Jordan). When it comes to your channel, firstly you race and that puts you in an upper tier of requirements, secondly you are highly engaged and want to try everything in the marketplace (the old joke about cyclists or guitar players or any gear-based activity is the right amount is N+1). Can 99% of runners get by on one pair of Pegs? Absolutely, but your channel is targeted more to the 1% of sub-elite athletes. Are running companies way over sku'ed? Yes! They are creating niches within niches in the category, but they pay for that when they have to put shoes on sale and take a hit on the margin. Every shoe company wants the lifestyle crossover to lift sales, It is unfortunate that adidas was deliberately marketing to streetwear (the product manager said we can market to lifestyle and it won't hurt our true runners, they don't look at the marketing anyway and will still buy the shoe no matter). Salomon has greatly benefited from haute couture, are they any less performance? I no longer race and just run for fun but I enjoy your content and the research you do on the culture of the sport
Great points here, I agree for the most part.
I'm happy to see Nike and Adidas taking the lead weaning people off of plated shoe dependency. Plated shoes are great tools and great for some training and racing, but there is a massive benefit to running/racing in plated shoes by training in non-plated shoes.
Fully agree all brands, not just Nike and Adidas, are VERY over SKU'd...all running and shoe lines need massive pruning.
Good callout on Salomon and fashion culture. I had forgot about this.
The "you are shills for running companies" is the equivalent of MAGA mindset and anti-establishment hate translated to running
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Agree regarding the Evo SL marketing. The entire Adizero line including clothing has always been about training and racing. For lifestyle+causal running, that is more the ultraboost line and others.
I mean, Adizero stands for performance first, not just in running but anywhere Adidas uses it.
@@SagasuRunning Yup. All their Adizero products descriptions including things like T-shirt, caps etc are about how it helps with performance. The Evo SL is the only one they mention about wearing it not just for running (the ‘or not’) which gives some of lifestyle vibes. Really strange
@bensonvong Very strange…