You deserved a nice break, Chris! So many shoe reviews in fall for you to do. Again, I truly appreciate your kind responses on my shoe struggles and my Taipei Half 🙂 Well done on building a community and making all these helpful videos. I enjoy all of them.
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻 I appreciate the kind words and support. I’m also so happy to have this community. It’s such a pleasure to interact with everyone who is into this stuff as much as I am. 🤙🏻
Takumi Sen has TONS of versatility. I've had numerous workouts where the overall distance covered was 18+KM and never once did I think to myself "boy, I sure which I had more stack". If I was forced to race a half marathon in the TS, I'd toe the line with zero doubts. I also need to get a pair of SL2's before Black Friday, cause if the shoe (and the heel lockdown) works as well as I think it will, I'll probably grab 2 more pair at 50% off. AlphaFly V3 is just amazing. Zero issues with that shoe. Current pair are at 150km, and will have another half marathon and Chicago '24 in them, and see zero reason to not use the same pair for Boston 2025. Both AF V1/2 had significant wear by 150km, but the V3 has nearly zero. Half of that is the shoe design, and half is my fitness and form improvements.
Agree on the TS10. It would be a valid option for a half marathon for me, especially if I was going for a PR. Also Zero doubts on it's ability to do it's job for that distance for me. The SL2/TS10 combo is spectacular. Adidas has nailed the SL2 and how it works with the rest oft he Adizero range. As I pointed out in my SL2 initial impressions, the SL2 is a trainer Takumi Sen (a Takumi Ren of old) and you definitely feel that in the shoe. On the AF3 I am seeing a bit more wear on the lateral orange puck under the airpod on my right foot (which I'm harsh on)...but beyond that very little wear, but I'm at less than 50k as well. I'm not really worried about it as it seems like something that will wear then stop. The VF3 wears better for me. The AF2 wore very poorly for me. The AF1 did ok, but I never ran in one enough to really know. The AF3 is a shoe I'll pull out for some PR attempts and key workouts as it is so so fast for me. It's not a shoe I ever would have guessed I'd use for anything under a marathon... but for what my plans are for the fall/winter...it will be used.
The Peg has been dethroned?😲 Inconceivable!😄Man, Adidas is really holding out on us with the AP4 and Adios 9. Hopefully, September will be an eventful month. Enjoy your break, Chris!😎
Whoa…. Whoa….. Wwhhhoooaaaa. 😂 I didn’t say the SL2 was “better” than the Peg…. They both have their place and do different things well. I’m going to have a year end content piece all about it. Both are great. September is going to be fun. So many stories I’ve been waiting to talk about on the channel intermixed with reviews and other content…. 🤙🏻
Ya, there doesn't seem to be alot out there? Why is that? I mean there is very little spike content, period. What there is is old. I'm happy to fill the gap there...but wish there were some hardcore track guys talking about them.
Nice to see the new Vics in the lineup. I’ve been a spike nerd for a while now and have run in almost every Nike distance spike since the OG victorys. The air zoom vic 2s are definitely the best mid distance spike Nike has ever made, and if you can work up the calf strength, maybe even the best long distance spike ever as well. Womens 1500, mile, 2k, 5k, and 10k world records are all in that spike, not to mention the men’s 2k, 3k, and 2 mile.
That is one of the reason i bought them. After watching their dominance at the Olympics for middle (and some long) distance events. It got me curious. They are a joy to run in. I'm a forefoot striker and they don't bother my achilles/calves as much as I expected. Granted I've not taken them over 600m yet either (lots of 200s and 400s thus far). Really interesting shoe with a ton of fascinating details...I can't wait to talk about them. I may be adding a second pair of spikes to my coverage in Sept, stay tuned. The next video on the channel I'll go over just what I'm doing and focusing on for the fall/winter and why I need a pair of spikes...
Hope the day is treating you well Chris! Just got in the mail the other day my first AP3 and I'm so shocked how similar they feel as a forefoot striker to the superblast 2. I've been looking to consolidate a bit of my rotation just to make it simpler. I honestly find for my running style a SL2/SB2 or SL2/AP3 is a very hard 2 shoe rotation to beat. Extremely durable rotation as well.
Agree fully on that. Ironically the AP3 Is less foam too…. But is more rolling. The rods really make a huge difference. I enjoy the SB2 a lot and I love the AP3, even though it’s not that fast for me…. But you nailed it…. Very good combos. The SL2 really pairs well with both as well.
I'll be covering a somewhat related competitor brand to what Topo is doing this fall. I think they are doing it better and have far more interesting plans. Stay tuend.
I’m glad to ever that. I do try to spread stuff out so I don’t have same brand content bunch up together…. But sometimes I can’t help it. I have a lot of Nike to cover in Sept to get into bigger picture stuff I want to cover all fall/winter. Most of that other stuff is non-Nike, or at least brand agnostic. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Really enjoy the extra breakdown you put into your videos! Are “firmer” shoes like the Superblast and Boston good for newer, heavier (240 lbs) runners? I’m concerned about going with the Novablast, SL2, and others in that range that might get flattened very quickly.
In your case, yes. The SB2 is a better option, You will flatten the NB4 quickly. As for Adidas, the B12 will also stand up to you decently, but remember it is a plated shoe, so keep it for faster running. You'll pancake the SL2 quickly. Thank youf rot eh kind words and support! 🤙🏻
Dear Chris, enjoy your well deserved vacations, if it cross your mind to come to Mexico please remember that here you have an extra home among my family
Will do. I've been to Mexico City a few times for work. Recently my wife and I have been discussing a trip there to eat... no concrete plans but it's definitely on the list. 🤙🏻
I’m a big fan of what Nike is doing with their spikes. I’ve been watching for years. Now I have reason to run in them. You’ll like my next video too… I’ll look for your advice as well. Sunday…. 🤙🏻
Hey, love your content! I really enjoy how you go about reviewing the shoes and how you use your own data to show us. Can you make a video talking a little more about the Asics HyperSpeed 4? I am consedering it for a tempo/speed work training shoe. I would rather get a non plated shoe for traing Maybe a video talking about a few options for this category - non plated tempo/speed work shoes
I'm still looking for a pair. Once i find a pair I'll be doing a review. They are around but very popular here. When they show up in store they are gone nearly instantly. Also, I will make that non-plated performance trainer video, but we need more shoes. Right now only the peg Plus matters (The Mach 6 and Rebel v4 out out classed), but with Adidas's Adios 9 and the Puma shoe I mentioned then it gets interesting. This may be a next year thing though as I think we will see many more of these. TRE is going to be interesting to see this year. Thank you for the kind words on the content! 🤙🏻
As a narrow footed hoka guy I cannot wait for the mach x 2 this week. Also curious to see if they can lighten the cielo x 1 to a reasonable weight next year or come out with a better, but still ~35 mm stack rocket again. Either way I'd be happy
From what I’ve been hearing and have seen in leaks the Cielo x2 will be very racey and a proper super shoe… I’ve not seen anything else about a new Rocket though. Sometimes I wish I had a Hoka shaped foot… I do like how Hokas feel when they are new…
That Peg Plus, same class as a Hoka Mach 6, but 30% or $40 more expensive at $180. Would enjoy you comparing and contrasting that Peg Plus in context to other shoes in the same class.
It completely outclasses the Mach 6 or Rebel v4. ZoomX is a TOTALLY different level of oam than the SC EVA Hoka uses (which I liked) and whatever squishy mess NB is using (which was a joke). The Peg Plus is also the SAME price as the old Turbo 1/2...if anything its a beter deal now due to it being full ZoomX and inflation. Also it's the same tier/price as the Invincible. Just because it has less foam it's worth less? I've done many comparison videos of the Peg Plus, to the shoes I think it compares directly too... there are a few others I'm waiting to release that I think it will go toe-to-toe with (Adios 9, that new Puma)...but as of now it stand alone due to ZoomX.
Its that time where Nike is sending vaporfly 3 stock to outlets. This weekend I saw full size runs at $139 with an additional 30% discount which comes out of to just under $100 usd a pair.
The Adios Pro 4 has finally surfaced! According to The Run Testers, we get a new midsole formula (shade softer with a bit more bounce), upper and lace system (more comfortable, takes some of the pressure off), and grip. Available from January 2025. So far, it looks like the update the Pro 3 needed. EDIT: Adios 9 preview on Running Warehouse!🥳
Interesting comment about New Balance. I haven’t tried their models this year but the reviews have been meh at best so my thinking is like yours. I loved the SC Trainer v1 so much but since then I haven’t liked any of their releases.
They went a design and engineering direction in 2024 that just doesn't work for me and as a product designer I don't understand some of the choices made. Too each their own I guess.
I hear AP4 releasing in December (it's a Q1/25 shoe for adidas) with a small chance of LTD sale at Berlin what you mentioned. There is a bigger restock of Evo 1 right around Berlin so launching (in reasonable quantities) also the AP4 around the same time might not be the smartest move. adidas has shown in the past that they can mess up launch dates pretty significantly.
Ya...Olympic years also mess things up badly. Adidas has an interesting challenge ahead of itself weening it's Elites off of the Evo 1 (which i know they want to sunset) for the AP4. It's going to be a long process. I'm still shocked that they have pushed the AP4 to 2025...mind blowing.
@@SagasuRunning I am sure we will get some sort of release in (late) 2024. I'd expect the white one around Berlin. The yellow/lime one we've already seen in leaks is supposed to launch on Dec 1 (or close to that date) together with all the new adizero T&F models that will also have that color way.
Hey, Chris. Do you wear the Adizero SL2 in the same size as the Pegasus? I wear 10s on Pegs, but I've been struggling on terrible blisters in the SL2, and I wonder if I should have gone 9.5 on them. Thanks in advance!
This program is brought to you by Nike. (Just messing with you, Chris 😅). I know you're partial to the brand. Since you mentioned Japan-only, what are your thoughts on the Asics S4? I ask because a colleague is traveling to Japan, and I'm thinking of asking her to pick up a pair for me. Is the S4 just another Magic Speed 4? Are there other Japan-only shoes you would recommend? Any news on the Adios Pro 4? Ping me when you're in the SF area. Dinner's on me. Cheers, Chris.
I really do try to not be all Nike all the time…. But the brand just works for me. But tight now there are so many interesting things to discuss with the brand. The S4 is worth a try, if only to have a pair. It’s a bit outdated now but far more interesting than the MS4. Nothing else stands out that is must get and Japan only right now. Those days are a bit gone, though in 2025 it seems like there will be a few more. Only flying into SFO then heading up to Sonoma to see family for a day then heading north to Seattle. But I’ll be back…. Thank you for the offer though. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Sonoma is beautiful. The marathon I ran on Sunday winded it"s way along the wineries and even through an actual barrel room. There's no expiration date on dinner. My colleague isn't leaving for a week. I'll think about the S4. I already have the MS4 and SkyP, so I don't know where the S4 would fit in the rotation. Cheere, Chris.
@@SagasuRunning The race went well through mile 20, then the wheels fell off my left knee and it told me it was done. I lost about five weeks of fitness due to rehabbing the knee and the hip impingement. But when the gun went off, everything was feeling great. It was at mile 8 when the knee started tugging. But I maintained my BQ paces through mile 20. It was shortly after that the knee finally gave out and I had to hobble/jog shuffle to the finish line. I hope my 5-minute BQ in March is enough. Registration is this Sunday. Thanks for asking, Chris.
Do you think that I should pair the adidas SNR or the SL 2 with the TS 10, Boston 12, and adios 6, (currently dont have the TS 10 im in the VFLY 2) also love the content and love watching youre reviews
Are any of your teammates using TS10s? The XC racing you do, isn’t mixed surface? Are you allowed to wear spikes in your races? Or do you do most XC racing in the Vaporflys?
@@SagasuRunningno none of my teammates r using the TK10s and I'm currently racing in spikes (Nike rivals, might get dragonflys) and it's all grass or dirt, I'm currently using the Vaporflys for tempos and Marathon pace workouts
hi sagasu, im your fan from Malaysia recently i bought the SL2 and just realized i have pronation on my right legs. so not so comfortable for my issue. do you have shoes recommendation for me,? im thinking about superblast 2 maybe?, thanks for responding
For daily running? If you like the feel of the SL2 but need more stability…. The Asics Novablast 4 will have a similar feel but be way more stable. The SB2 will do well too but it’s not really a daily trainer….
Is the Supernova Rise the most comfortable daily trainer still for you? I'm looking for something that is decently cushioned particularly in the forefoot/midfoot, and comfortable to eat up the miles. I may do slightly faster steady runs in it too every once in a while. Do you recommend the SNR? There's a massive deal and I can get a pair of SNR for almost half the retail price, not sure if it's a wise move or not. Need your advice.
It’s been a few months since I ran in it, I’ll come back to them later in the fall… but it’s an excellent long run/easy shoe. It doesn’t like faster/steady paces but it handles easy running well. It’s lower stack than one would expect (perfect for me) but very very well cushioned and protective. I still recommend it. Especially for half off… it’s a steal.
@@SagasuRunningThanks Chris, I may snatch a pair then. Though I'm really digging the SL2 as well. Don't want to spend more for 2 products that do the same job. SNR for the comfort, SL2 for the fun ride. No, I need only one. 😅
It doesn't feel special. It's perfectly adequate. It fits and feels like a Puma trainer and the foam is nice.... but compared to a VF3, AF3, MSEP/SP...it's completely outclassed. It does seem like it will have good durability and feels like a "normal" shoe on foot, which is why i recommended it as a good option for a first super shoe. I am interested in the A-TPU foam...if it appears in a lower stack plateless flat that will be an experience I'm far more interested in.
@@SagasuRunning Got it. I've recently tried a few runs in DNE3 and have been really really impressed by it, probably the biggest shoe surprise this year for me. I've mained AP3 for a while and now I don't want to run in AP3 anymore... It's hit a great balance among soft and comfy (for me as a forefoot striker), bounce, smooth transition, traction and stability. I think AP3 has nailed all but is indeed a bit too firm and less smooth in transition for relatively high cadence runners. I've tried DN2, DNE2 and DN3 and have been very unimpressed, but DNE3 I think has a lot of potential. But Puma seems to be very conservative in marketing and stocks for this model. I didn't know Puma is launching a non-plated ATPU model - will definitely keep and eye on that! Btw, I've also seen people saying the new AP4 could be an ATPU foam (which is also what's used in the small soft sandwiched piece in prime strung x2, between two normal LSP foams). Interesting to see whether ATPU foams will become mainstream over the next few years
@dynamike9248 I expect the AP4 will have LSP Evo (PEBA) under the foot and normal LSP (SC TPEE) under that as a carrier. The “energy core” in the PX2S, as I’ve heard it is LSP Evo (PEBA), same as the Evo 1, just more dense. I haven’t heard of Adidas developing a 3rd foam yet, though I am sure they are. It would also help them stick to the rods and control the structure of the foam to support them. Something harder to do with LSP Evo, at least how they weee manufacturing it in the Evo 1. We shall see. The AP4 definitely has more going on in it that what we see on the surface…. And that will make clear what Adidas’s next step is. As for A-TPU foams… I don’t know. They streamline manufacture but the jury is still out on performance. I know the DNE3 is getting a lot of buzz right now but I doubt we will see it on many world major podiums this fall/ spring. That rumored low stack/plateless Puma in their A-TPU is very interesting to me.
Honestly, I’m not surprised. The Prime X platform isn’t really a serious shoe for Adidas. It’s a tech platform for them to try things and get headlines. But the Evo 1 has taken that away from it. I’m sure we will see a PX3, but it will only be when Adidas it has something it wants to test. Given the new foams and engineering needs Adidas will have moving forward the PX platform could change a bit. I’m much more surprised there has been NOTHING about the Boston 13. That is far more meaningful.
Hi Chris thanks so much if you respond to this, I recently went all in and bought the Nike Air Zoom Alphafly NEXT% 3 almost all my runs have been PBs since however I've noticed the shoe starts to ware very quickly and don't dare run in it apart from for PB efforts, Is there a Supershoe that trades performance slightly for durability and which one would be a good balance. My only other shoe is a Scott supertrac 3 which is very durable but I wonder if you could give me any insight into how that shoe it may be affecting my performance on 5k to 20k runs Thanks so much your avid viewer Seth 😅
What you are asking for was the original promise of "Super Trainers", until they became proxy race shoes. As far as super shoes go the AF3 is actually quite durable. However, super shoes are not intended for daily running...and it's a bad idea to be running in. a plated shoe daily. There are more durable super shoes and options out there though. The Adidas Adios Pro 3 is a tank as far as durability. The Adidas Boston 12, while not a super shoe, is one of the best executions of the "super trainer" idea. Saucony's Endorphin series is also quite good blending durability and performance. I had to Google the Scott Supertrac 3, it's about what I expected from Scott. You need a good road daily trainer, that will go a LONG way to pairing with the AF3. Look at the Nike Pegasus 41, Adidas SL2 or Puma Velocity Nitro 3. I have alot of content on all three. Pairing a good daily trainer with the AF3 will help you alot. Do most of your runs in the daily trianer, some trail in the Scott and save the AF3 for workouts/races.
@@SagasuRunning Such a detailed response thank you so much. I'll be looking for a daily trainer. I'm alittle poor at the moment so I need to either find a good budget one or wait a few months to save for a high quality one.
Keep your eye out for either the Puma Velocity Nitro 3. Good deals pop up often on it. It will feel nothing like the AF3, but it will be a very durable and solid daily trainer for you than you can run on any surface. The Nike Pegasus 41 or Nike Vomero 17 will also be good to look for. They will feel much more like the AF3, but in a daily/cushioned trainer.
I might be late to this video. But do you think the SL2 is suitable for a half marathon? Currently i'm using NB4 for my daily and ran a HM once in it. Planning to do the same with SL2.
If you don't want to run in a plated shoe, the SL2 is one of the best options. It's familiar as a trainer but has quite a bit of performance in it due to the Lightstrike pro core. They will do well.
@@SagasuRunning with my moderate/slow pace.. i don't think a plated shoe would be ideal for me. That was why i never considered having a pair of plated shoes. Any other recommendation apart from the SL2 than can also be used for a HM?
@amirrureihankamarollzaman3665 Honestly, the SL2 is maybe the best non-played option for a half. The Endorphin Speed 4 would be my second recommendation. While it has a plate it’s a very flexible plate and the shoe rides more like a plateless shoe.
Any good recommendations for a faster pace? I am wearing Kayano 30, and I want to find a faster one, ideally a wider version that can handle some speed.
Specifically from Asics? Coming from the Kayano 30, the Novablast 4 will feel fast and stable (and does come in a wide last, though the shoe is wide and stable too).
@@SagasuRunning Not necessarily, 30 is for me to walk and some slow pace recovery, yes I have some minor low arch issue but I think 5-10k is still fine. Just want some speed and agility.
They I’d recommend the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 (plated), Adidas SL2 (if you pronate at all don’t bother), Puma Velocity Nitro 3 (firmer but very versatile).
I’ve seen nothing about the PX3. Interestingly though there have been a bunch of Adidas shoes leaked with string uppers. I feel like they have perfected the string upper to some degree and don’t need the PX platform for it. So that could change what that shoe is all together .
Not at all. The SNR is an excellent option for pronation. It has a good amount of medial flaring to help to support your foot. Still a neutral shoe, but much better than the SL2 for pronation. There is even the Supernova Solution, which is an actual mild stability shoe with more support built into the midfoot on both the lateral and medial sides if you need more. The only difference is there is more performance in the SL2… but the SNR is a great easy cruiser and long run shoe.
I dont get on with the upper of the Vaporfly 3 (poor heel lock leading to lace bite) but the Vaporfly 2 is my all time favourite. In your opinion which shoe is closest since i cant get on with the Vaporfly 3?
Takumi Sen 10 is the closest in feel to the VF1/2, not exact but it has that firmer and more aggressive toe-off. I never got on perfectly well with the VF2 upper, it was fine but always gave me toenail issues…. The BF3 has been absolutely trouble free since day one and I have ALOT of miles on them at this point. It’s always interesting how all our feet differ and how we experience the same products in different ways .
@@SagasuRunning yes I find it interesting how we all get on with different shoes! Annoyingly I really liked the Saucony Endorphin Pro 3 but the upper of the Pro 4 has too much volume and overall I feel like the Pro 3 was easier to run marathon pace in. Sadly although I like the Takumi sen a lot it would not be cushioned enough for the marathon distance for me. I am a female with a narrow foot so I am struggling with the unisex sizing that some brands do with the carbon plate shoes. It is also unfortunate that I supinate so the tiny cut out in the midsole of the Adios Pro 3 means they become unstable for me. Other than that I liked running in them so it's annoying!
@@QuasiAmerican Hmmm, the NB shoes strike me as similar in feel to the EP3 as far as the soft foam. But the width and sloppy uppers are not great. Maybe worth a look to see if anything fits. Ya, the TS10 is likely not a marathon for most. Beyond that…. There are still VF2s out there in the resale market for on prices. They won’t last very long form here though. The upcoming Streakfly 2 may also be an option, I expect it have the VF2 aggressive feel, but it likely will have the same issue as the TS10 for distance. Nothing else is quite like a VF2…
@@SagasuRunning thanks! Yeh the NB SC Elite V4 was too wide in the upper for my narrow foot so I struggled with heel lock. Same issue with the metaspeed edge/sky Paris too 😢 (unisex sizing at its worst in that shoe). I'm like the Hoka Rocket X2 but the lower drop makes me a little nervous when it comes to the marathon distance. I was interested in you saying the Alphafly 3 works for you despite V1 and V2 not working. I tried V1 and V2 and although I ran long training runs (20+ miles) in both I found the V2 felt clunky and slow and V1 made my calves tired. I'm a heel striker so wasn't sure if I would still not get on with V3 so I held off on buying it.
The AF3 feels like a bouncier VF3. It feels like a normal running shoes now that they removed the decoupled forefoot/heel. It’s not the most narrow fit, but the booties upper is more conforming than the VF3 upper…. But it may be something to look at. It’s very good.
If you pronate, even mildly, and are a heel striker of midfoot striker...forget that the SL2 even exists . Seriously, there is a reason I mention the pronation issue nearly every time I talk about the SL2 on this channel.
It's a shoe I'm curious about and may pick up late this year when things are less busy. I don't feel I need to urgently cover it. Brooks shoes get very little traffic, even around release. So it's a shoe I can pick up this winter and try out when there is nothing else being released. So saving a few options for me to cover when there is a new shoe drought (Dec-March).
Has anyone heard more info on the low-stack plateless Puma with the new nitro elite foam? That is exactly the shoe I want, I would be so bummed if that was a Japan only release...
Joe Rubio has mentioned it multiple times on his Running Warehouse Podcast, I’ve seen it mentioned on Reddit and a friend of a friend who works with some Puma athletes has mentioned it… Joe is the only one I’ve heard mention it as “Japan only” as he said the use case is for Ekiden coaches who don’t want their athletes doing any base in plated shoes in the spring to build foot strength and durability for the season. I’ve heard the above in multiple places too… but not Japan specific… which feels odd to me as Puma doesn’t have a huge footprint in the Ekidens in Japan, at least compared to Nike, Adidas and now On. I assume it’s a Liberate Nitro 3 or the replacement for that line. The only details I’ve heard are “low stack” (but no numbers), A-TPU Nitro foam and no plate/shank… … and yes, it sounds like I shoe I really want too. 🤞🏻
@@SagasuRunning Not sure how interested you are in Brooks or how easy they are to get a hold of in Taiwan, but the Hyperion 2 might be a shoe you like, it has been an awesome low stack speedster.
@bobkhan1809 It’s on my list…. But no rush. Brooks shoes get very little traffic and no one is waiting on anyone’s POV on a Brooks… but the H2 is a shoe I’ll likely get to over the winter when there is nothing else to cover during the winter shoe drought.
I honestly don't understand this POV. ZoomX is a premium and expensive material. Additionally, the Peg Plus is the SAME price as the Turbo was years ago. If anything you get MORE for the price now due to better foams and inflation. It's also the same tier as the Invincible and the same price... Is it not worth that price because you get less foam? I'm not trying to be elitist here...but I seriously don't understand. Yes I know, many of the shoes people see as "better" or competitors are $20-30 USD cheaper...but none of them are ZoomX foam...
@@SagasuRunning Nike has just lost their touch recently and are resting on their laurels instead of pushing the boundaries like other shoe brands. They haven't come out with a new foam in years and have many holes in their lineup. Invincible is also a bad shoe unless someone is heavy enough to utilize the foam. SL2 is a better value than both.
It depends on your perspective. Innovation takes many forms and I think Nike is waking up to that. In 2024 with the Peg41/PP/VF3/AF3 is see zero gaps and a range that no one but Adidas can match. Other brands are trying things, sure, but that’s doesn’t mean they are any good. Most of the so called “innovation” in the space won’t be here in 2-3 years. I agree the Invincible 3 isn’t that great. There are better max cushion shoes. However that is a type of shoe I am pay less and less attention too as I don’t think they are needed. I’ve been talking about this a lot on the channel but we will start seeing next gen foams in the next 2 years or so. From Nike and everyone else….
The most analytical YTer out there. Thank you
Ha! I try. Thank you for the support. 🤙🏻
You deserved a nice break, Chris! So many shoe reviews in fall for you to do. Again, I truly appreciate your kind responses on my shoe struggles and my Taipei Half 🙂 Well done on building a community and making all these helpful videos. I enjoy all of them.
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻 I appreciate the kind words and support. I’m also so happy to have this community. It’s such a pleasure to interact with everyone who is into this stuff as much as I am. 🤙🏻
Still playing catch up after a busy week at UTMB. Another great shoe talk. Lots to be excited about in Fall ‘24…👀
UTMB and The Greta North Run. You have been a busy man lately. Welcome back to reality.
Takumi Sen has TONS of versatility. I've had numerous workouts where the overall distance covered was 18+KM and never once did I think to myself "boy, I sure which I had more stack". If I was forced to race a half marathon in the TS, I'd toe the line with zero doubts.
I also need to get a pair of SL2's before Black Friday, cause if the shoe (and the heel lockdown) works as well as I think it will, I'll probably grab 2 more pair at 50% off.
AlphaFly V3 is just amazing. Zero issues with that shoe. Current pair are at 150km, and will have another half marathon and Chicago '24 in them, and see zero reason to not use the same pair for Boston 2025. Both AF V1/2 had significant wear by 150km, but the V3 has nearly zero. Half of that is the shoe design, and half is my fitness and form improvements.
Agree on the TS10. It would be a valid option for a half marathon for me, especially if I was going for a PR. Also Zero doubts on it's ability to do it's job for that distance for me.
The SL2/TS10 combo is spectacular. Adidas has nailed the SL2 and how it works with the rest oft he Adizero range. As I pointed out in my SL2 initial impressions, the SL2 is a trainer Takumi Sen (a Takumi Ren of old) and you definitely feel that in the shoe.
On the AF3 I am seeing a bit more wear on the lateral orange puck under the airpod on my right foot (which I'm harsh on)...but beyond that very little wear, but I'm at less than 50k as well. I'm not really worried about it as it seems like something that will wear then stop.
The VF3 wears better for me. The AF2 wore very poorly for me. The AF1 did ok, but I never ran in one enough to really know.
The AF3 is a shoe I'll pull out for some PR attempts and key workouts as it is so so fast for me. It's not a shoe I ever would have guessed I'd use for anything under a marathon... but for what my plans are for the fall/winter...it will be used.
The Peg has been dethroned?😲 Inconceivable!😄Man, Adidas is really holding out on us with the AP4 and Adios 9. Hopefully, September will be an eventful month. Enjoy your break, Chris!😎
Whoa…. Whoa….. Wwhhhoooaaaa. 😂
I didn’t say the SL2 was “better” than the Peg…. They both have their place and do different things well. I’m going to have a year end content piece all about it. Both are great.
September is going to be fun. So many stories I’ve been waiting to talk about on the channel intermixed with reviews and other content…. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Will you be dropping by Nike World HQ during your break? It's on the road to Seattle.😉
@OdanUrr87 Haha… I considered it, but won’t be driving through Beaverton. I thought banging on the front gate might work for me though…. 😂
Finally some one reviewing the new spikes, can’t wait to see
Ya, there doesn't seem to be alot out there? Why is that? I mean there is very little spike content, period. What there is is old. I'm happy to fill the gap there...but wish there were some hardcore track guys talking about them.
Nice to see the new Vics in the lineup. I’ve been a spike nerd for a while now and have run in almost every Nike distance spike since the OG victorys. The air zoom vic 2s are definitely the best mid distance spike Nike has ever made, and if you can work up the calf strength, maybe even the best long distance spike ever as well. Womens 1500, mile, 2k, 5k, and 10k world records are all in that spike, not to mention the men’s 2k, 3k, and 2 mile.
That is one of the reason i bought them. After watching their dominance at the Olympics for middle (and some long) distance events. It got me curious. They are a joy to run in. I'm a forefoot striker and they don't bother my achilles/calves as much as I expected. Granted I've not taken them over 600m yet either (lots of 200s and 400s thus far). Really interesting shoe with a ton of fascinating details...I can't wait to talk about them.
I may be adding a second pair of spikes to my coverage in Sept, stay tuned.
The next video on the channel I'll go over just what I'm doing and focusing on for the fall/winter and why I need a pair of spikes...
Hope the day is treating you well Chris! Just got in the mail the other day my first AP3 and I'm so shocked how similar they feel as a forefoot striker to the superblast 2. I've been looking to consolidate a bit of my rotation just to make it simpler. I honestly find for my running style a SL2/SB2 or SL2/AP3 is a very hard 2 shoe rotation to beat. Extremely durable rotation as well.
Agree fully on that. Ironically the AP3 Is less foam too…. But is more rolling. The rods really make a huge difference. I enjoy the SB2 a lot and I love the AP3, even though it’s not that fast for me…. But you nailed it…. Very good combos. The SL2 really pairs well with both as well.
Thanks for the always in detail and awesome replies. Easily one of the best in the game. Appreciate all the content 💪🏼
Nike Streakfly 2 and Ultrafly 2 both exciting debuts.
Agree… the UF2 looks to be a great evolution too. The SF2 looks like a Dragonfly for the road… that should be great.
crazier than the running sandal? tall order...
enjoy your vacation!
Running sandals are quite good. Many options too.
Vacation is still a few weeks away.
I'm loving the Topo specter 2.
I'll be covering a somewhat related competitor brand to what Topo is doing this fall. I think they are doing it better and have far more interesting plans. Stay tuend.
I'll still watch your videos even though Nikes don't work for me. Can't wait for some of the other reviews too!
I’m glad to ever that. I do try to spread stuff out so I don’t have same brand content bunch up together…. But sometimes I can’t help it. I have a lot of Nike to cover in Sept to get into bigger picture stuff I want to cover all fall/winter.
Most of that other stuff is non-Nike, or at least brand agnostic.
Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Really enjoy the extra breakdown you put into your videos! Are “firmer” shoes like the Superblast and Boston good for newer, heavier (240 lbs) runners? I’m concerned about going with the Novablast, SL2, and others in that range that might get flattened very quickly.
In your case, yes. The SB2 is a better option, You will flatten the NB4 quickly. As for Adidas, the B12 will also stand up to you decently, but remember it is a plated shoe, so keep it for faster running. You'll pancake the SL2 quickly.
Thank youf rot eh kind words and support! 🤙🏻
Dear Chris, enjoy your well deserved vacations, if it cross your mind to come to Mexico please remember that here you have an extra home among my family
Will do. I've been to Mexico City a few times for work. Recently my wife and I have been discussing a trip there to eat... no concrete plans but it's definitely on the list. 🤙🏻
NO WAY you are reviewing the victory 2!!!!! As a track 800m-1500m athlete I have them and love them
I’m a big fan of what Nike is doing with their spikes. I’ve been watching for years. Now I have reason to run in them. You’ll like my next video too… I’ll look for your advice as well. Sunday…. 🤙🏻
good stuff as always.
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Hey, love your content! I really enjoy how you go about reviewing the shoes and how you use your own data to show us.
Can you make a video talking a little more about the Asics HyperSpeed 4? I am consedering it for a tempo/speed work training shoe. I would rather get a non plated shoe for traing
Maybe a video talking about a few options for this category - non plated tempo/speed work shoes
I'm still looking for a pair. Once i find a pair I'll be doing a review. They are around but very popular here. When they show up in store they are gone nearly instantly.
Also, I will make that non-plated performance trainer video, but we need more shoes. Right now only the peg Plus matters (The Mach 6 and Rebel v4 out out classed), but with Adidas's Adios 9 and the Puma shoe I mentioned then it gets interesting. This may be a next year thing though as I think we will see many more of these. TRE is going to be interesting to see this year.
Thank you for the kind words on the content! 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Great! Thanks for the reply
As a narrow footed hoka guy I cannot wait for the mach x 2 this week. Also curious to see if they can lighten the cielo x 1 to a reasonable weight next year or come out with a better, but still ~35 mm stack rocket again. Either way I'd be happy
From what I’ve been hearing and have seen in leaks the Cielo x2 will be very racey and a proper super shoe… I’ve not seen anything else about a new Rocket though.
Sometimes I wish I had a Hoka shaped foot… I do like how Hokas feel when they are new…
vaporfly 3 is still the best. tried the edge paris, still abit too firm for me considering the hype about the shoe
The MSEP is so fast… but that speed comes at a price for recovery.
Will you be testing the Glideride Max? Glad ASICS didn’t abandon that line.
Nope. Definitely not a style shoe I run in at all. Sorry.
That Peg Plus, same class as a Hoka Mach 6, but 30% or $40 more expensive at $180. Would enjoy you comparing and contrasting that Peg Plus in context to other shoes in the same class.
It completely outclasses the Mach 6 or Rebel v4. ZoomX is a TOTALLY different level of oam than the SC EVA Hoka uses (which I liked) and whatever squishy mess NB is using (which was a joke).
The Peg Plus is also the SAME price as the old Turbo 1/2...if anything its a beter deal now due to it being full ZoomX and inflation. Also it's the same tier/price as the Invincible. Just because it has less foam it's worth less?
I've done many comparison videos of the Peg Plus, to the shoes I think it compares directly too... there are a few others I'm waiting to release that I think it will go toe-to-toe with (Adios 9, that new Puma)...but as of now it stand alone due to ZoomX.
Its that time where Nike is sending vaporfly 3 stock to outlets. This weekend I saw full size runs at $139 with an additional 30% discount which comes out of to just under $100 usd a pair.
Such a good deal… so worth it.
The Adios Pro 4 has finally surfaced! According to The Run Testers, we get a new midsole formula (shade softer with a bit more bounce), upper and lace system (more comfortable, takes some of the pressure off), and grip. Available from January 2025. So far, it looks like the update the Pro 3 needed. EDIT: Adios 9 preview on Running Warehouse!🥳
I'll have a video covering it all up in the next day or two. Lot's to say and cover. Say tuned.
Interesting comment about New Balance. I haven’t tried their models this year but the reviews have been meh at best so my thinking is like yours. I loved the SC Trainer v1 so much but since then I haven’t liked any of their releases.
They went a design and engineering direction in 2024 that just doesn't work for me and as a product designer I don't understand some of the choices made. Too each their own I guess.
I hear AP4 releasing in December (it's a Q1/25 shoe for adidas) with a small chance of LTD sale at Berlin what you mentioned. There is a bigger restock of Evo 1 right around Berlin so launching (in reasonable quantities) also the AP4 around the same time might not be the smartest move. adidas has shown in the past that they can mess up launch dates pretty significantly.
Ya...Olympic years also mess things up badly. Adidas has an interesting challenge ahead of itself weening it's Elites off of the Evo 1 (which i know they want to sunset) for the AP4. It's going to be a long process. I'm still shocked that they have pushed the AP4 to 2025...mind blowing.
@@SagasuRunning I am sure we will get some sort of release in (late) 2024. I'd expect the white one around Berlin. The yellow/lime one we've already seen in leaks is supposed to launch on Dec 1 (or close to that date) together with all the new adizero T&F models that will also have that color way.
Hey, Chris. Do you wear the Adizero SL2 in the same size as the Pegasus? I wear 10s on Pegs, but I've been struggling on terrible blisters in the SL2, and I wonder if I should have gone 9.5 on them. Thanks in advance!
I wear size 9 US men’s in all of them. So same size for both Nike and Adidas.
This program is brought to you by Nike. (Just messing with you, Chris 😅). I know you're partial to the brand. Since you mentioned Japan-only, what are your thoughts on the Asics S4? I ask because a colleague is traveling to Japan, and I'm thinking of asking her to pick up a pair for me. Is the S4 just another Magic Speed 4? Are there other Japan-only shoes you would recommend? Any news on the Adios Pro 4? Ping me when you're in the SF area. Dinner's on me. Cheers, Chris.
I really do try to not be all Nike all the time…. But the brand just works for me. But tight now there are so many interesting things to discuss with the brand.
The S4 is worth a try, if only to have a pair. It’s a bit outdated now but far more interesting than the MS4.
Nothing else stands out that is must get and Japan only right now. Those days are a bit gone, though in 2025 it seems like there will be a few more.
Only flying into SFO then heading up to Sonoma to see family for a day then heading north to Seattle. But I’ll be back…. Thank you for the offer though. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Sonoma is beautiful. The marathon I ran on Sunday winded it"s way along the wineries and even through an actual barrel room. There's no expiration date on dinner. My colleague isn't leaving for a week. I'll think about the S4. I already have the MS4 and SkyP, so I don't know where the S4 would fit in the rotation. Cheere, Chris.
@Wings_nut How was the race? Noted on diner. 🙏🏻
@@SagasuRunning The race went well through mile 20, then the wheels fell off my left knee and it told me it was done. I lost about five weeks of fitness due to rehabbing the knee and the hip impingement. But when the gun went off, everything was feeling great. It was at mile 8 when the knee started tugging. But I maintained my BQ paces through mile 20. It was shortly after that the knee finally gave out and I had to hobble/jog shuffle to the finish line. I hope my 5-minute BQ in March is enough. Registration is this Sunday. Thanks for asking, Chris.
@Wings_nut That’s racing. Some days it all goes to plan and others… not so much. I’ll be in the BQ hunting in a few years… it’s definitely a process.
Do you think that I should pair the adidas SNR or the SL 2 with the TS 10, Boston 12, and adios 6, (currently dont have the TS 10 im in the VFLY 2) also love the content and love watching youre reviews
Depends on what you are looking to do. Are you going to race? If so what distance?
Thank you for the support and kind words on the content. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunningI'm currently in xc so mostly 5ks about one every 1.5 weeks, and I'm normally running anywhere from 40-50 miles a week as well
Are any of your teammates using TS10s? The XC racing you do, isn’t mixed surface? Are you allowed to wear spikes in your races? Or do you do most XC racing in the Vaporflys?
@@SagasuRunningno none of my teammates r using the TK10s and I'm currently racing in spikes (Nike rivals, might get dragonflys) and it's all grass or dirt, I'm currently using the Vaporflys for tempos and Marathon pace workouts
I also use the VFs for any other racing like the 10k and half marathon I did in the summer
Why aren’t you interested in the ZoomFly6? (I understand the zoom fly 5 was unpopular and heavy, but the 6 might be better)
I have no need for a shoe like they and am moving away from shoes like that. The VF3 is a much better option as isn’t the Peg Plus.
hi sagasu, im your fan from Malaysia recently i bought the SL2 and just realized i have pronation on my right legs. so not so comfortable for my issue. do you have shoes recommendation for me,? im thinking about superblast 2 maybe?, thanks for responding
For daily running? If you like the feel of the SL2 but need more stability…. The Asics Novablast 4 will have a similar feel but be way more stable. The SB2 will do well too but it’s not really a daily trainer….
Is the Supernova Rise the most comfortable daily trainer still for you? I'm looking for something that is decently cushioned particularly in the forefoot/midfoot, and comfortable to eat up the miles. I may do slightly faster steady runs in it too every once in a while. Do you recommend the SNR? There's a massive deal and I can get a pair of SNR for almost half the retail price, not sure if it's a wise move or not. Need your advice.
It’s been a few months since I ran in it, I’ll come back to them later in the fall… but it’s an excellent long run/easy shoe. It doesn’t like faster/steady paces but it handles easy running well. It’s lower stack than one would expect (perfect for me) but very very well cushioned and protective.
I still recommend it. Especially for half off… it’s a steal.
@@SagasuRunningThanks Chris, I may snatch a pair then. Though I'm really digging the SL2 as well. Don't want to spend more for 2 products that do the same job. SNR for the comfort, SL2 for the fun ride. No, I need only one. 😅
@AzmiHere that’s the perfect combo…. The SNR & SL2 complement one another perfectly.
Any chance you can elaborate a bit more on why Nitro Elite 3 isn’t for you after trying?
It doesn't feel special. It's perfectly adequate. It fits and feels like a Puma trainer and the foam is nice.... but compared to a VF3, AF3, MSEP/SP...it's completely outclassed. It does seem like it will have good durability and feels like a "normal" shoe on foot, which is why i recommended it as a good option for a first super shoe.
I am interested in the A-TPU foam...if it appears in a lower stack plateless flat that will be an experience I'm far more interested in.
@@SagasuRunning Got it. I've recently tried a few runs in DNE3 and have been really really impressed by it, probably the biggest shoe surprise this year for me. I've mained AP3 for a while and now I don't want to run in AP3 anymore... It's hit a great balance among soft and comfy (for me as a forefoot striker), bounce, smooth transition, traction and stability. I think AP3 has nailed all but is indeed a bit too firm and less smooth in transition for relatively high cadence runners. I've tried DN2, DNE2 and DN3 and have been very unimpressed, but DNE3 I think has a lot of potential. But Puma seems to be very conservative in marketing and stocks for this model. I didn't know Puma is launching a non-plated ATPU model - will definitely keep and eye on that! Btw, I've also seen people saying the new AP4 could be an ATPU foam (which is also what's used in the small soft sandwiched piece in prime strung x2, between two normal LSP foams). Interesting to see whether ATPU foams will become mainstream over the next few years
@dynamike9248 I expect the AP4 will have LSP Evo (PEBA) under the foot and normal LSP (SC TPEE) under that as a carrier. The “energy core” in the PX2S, as I’ve heard it is LSP Evo (PEBA), same as the Evo 1, just more dense.
I haven’t heard of Adidas developing a 3rd foam yet, though I am sure they are. It would also help them stick to the rods and control the structure of the foam to support them. Something harder to do with LSP Evo, at least how they weee manufacturing it in the Evo 1. We shall see. The AP4 definitely has more going on in it that what we see on the surface…. And that will make clear what Adidas’s next step is.
As for A-TPU foams… I don’t know. They streamline manufacture but the jury is still out on performance. I know the DNE3 is getting a lot of buzz right now but I doubt we will see it on many world major podiums this fall/ spring.
That rumored low stack/plateless Puma in their A-TPU is very interesting to me.
Okay, its almost September and why dont we have any talks or news about Prime X 3 strung??
Honestly, I’m not surprised. The Prime X platform isn’t really a serious shoe for Adidas. It’s a tech platform for them to try things and get headlines. But the Evo 1 has taken that away from it. I’m sure we will see a PX3, but it will only be when Adidas it has something it wants to test. Given the new foams and engineering needs Adidas will have moving forward the PX platform could change a bit.
I’m much more surprised there has been NOTHING about the Boston 13. That is far more meaningful.
Hi Chris thanks so much if you respond to this, I recently went all in and bought the Nike Air Zoom Alphafly NEXT% 3 almost all my runs have been PBs since however I've noticed the shoe starts to ware very quickly and don't dare run in it apart from for PB efforts,
Is there a Supershoe that trades performance slightly for durability and which one would be a good balance.
My only other shoe is a Scott supertrac 3 which is very durable but I wonder if you could give me any insight into how that shoe it may be affecting my performance on 5k to 20k runs
Thanks so much your avid viewer Seth 😅
What you are asking for was the original promise of "Super Trainers", until they became proxy race shoes.
As far as super shoes go the AF3 is actually quite durable. However, super shoes are not intended for daily running...and it's a bad idea to be running in. a plated shoe daily.
There are more durable super shoes and options out there though. The Adidas Adios Pro 3 is a tank as far as durability. The Adidas Boston 12, while not a super shoe, is one of the best executions of the "super trainer" idea.
Saucony's Endorphin series is also quite good blending durability and performance.
I had to Google the Scott Supertrac 3, it's about what I expected from Scott.
You need a good road daily trainer, that will go a LONG way to pairing with the AF3. Look at the Nike Pegasus 41, Adidas SL2 or Puma Velocity Nitro 3. I have alot of content on all three. Pairing a good daily trainer with the AF3 will help you alot. Do most of your runs in the daily trianer, some trail in the Scott and save the AF3 for workouts/races.
@@SagasuRunning Such a detailed response thank you so much.
I'll be looking for a daily trainer. I'm alittle poor at the moment so I need to either find a good budget one or wait a few months to save for a high quality one.
Keep your eye out for either the Puma Velocity Nitro 3. Good deals pop up often on it. It will feel nothing like the AF3, but it will be a very durable and solid daily trainer for you than you can run on any surface.
The Nike Pegasus 41 or Nike Vomero 17 will also be good to look for. They will feel much more like the AF3, but in a daily/cushioned trainer.
I might be late to this video. But do you think the SL2 is suitable for a half marathon? Currently i'm using NB4 for my daily and ran a HM once in it. Planning to do the same with SL2.
If you don't want to run in a plated shoe, the SL2 is one of the best options. It's familiar as a trainer but has quite a bit of performance in it due to the Lightstrike pro core. They will do well.
@@SagasuRunning with my moderate/slow pace.. i don't think a plated shoe would be ideal for me. That was why i never considered having a pair of plated shoes. Any other recommendation apart from the SL2 than can also be used for a HM?
@@amirrureihankamarollzaman3665 What is your foot strike? Do you pronate at all?
@@SagasuRunning i'm a forefoot striker and i don't pronate. Another reason for me considering the SL2
@amirrureihankamarollzaman3665 Honestly, the SL2 is maybe the best non-played option for a half. The Endorphin Speed 4 would be my second recommendation. While it has a plate it’s a very flexible plate and the shoe rides more like a plateless shoe.
Any good recommendations for a faster pace? I am wearing Kayano 30, and I want to find a faster one, ideally a wider version that can handle some speed.
Specifically from Asics? Coming from the Kayano 30, the Novablast 4 will feel fast and stable (and does come in a wide last, though the shoe is wide and stable too).
@@SagasuRunning not limited to Asics and thanks for your recommendation
Well then… the Kayano is a stability shoe. Do you need a stability shoe to run comfortably?
@@SagasuRunning Not necessarily, 30 is for me to walk and some slow pace recovery, yes I have some minor low arch issue but I think 5-10k is still fine. Just want some speed and agility.
They I’d recommend the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 (plated), Adidas SL2 (if you pronate at all don’t bother), Puma Velocity Nitro 3 (firmer but very versatile).
How about Adidas Prime X strung V3? Is that on the release radar?
I’ve seen nothing about the PX3. Interestingly though there have been a bunch of Adidas shoes leaked with string uppers. I feel like they have perfected the string upper to some degree and don’t need the PX platform for it. So that could change what that shoe is all together .
Greetings chris do you know anything about the shoes the jakob use to archive the world record
in his recent 3000m WR, he wore Nike Victory 2s, Blueprint colorway. The same spikes I talk about in this video.
Ia Supernova Rise behaving the same as SL2 regarding pronation?
Not at all. The SNR is an excellent option for pronation. It has a good amount of medial flaring to help to support your foot. Still a neutral shoe, but much better than the SL2 for pronation. There is even the Supernova Solution, which is an actual mild stability shoe with more support built into the midfoot on both the lateral and medial sides if you need more.
The only difference is there is more performance in the SL2… but the SNR is a great easy cruiser and long run shoe.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks.
I dont get on with the upper of the Vaporfly 3 (poor heel lock leading to lace bite) but the Vaporfly 2 is my all time favourite. In your opinion which shoe is closest since i cant get on with the Vaporfly 3?
Takumi Sen 10 is the closest in feel to the VF1/2, not exact but it has that firmer and more aggressive toe-off.
I never got on perfectly well with the VF2 upper, it was fine but always gave me toenail issues…. The BF3 has been absolutely trouble free since day one and I have ALOT of miles on them at this point.
It’s always interesting how all our feet differ and how we experience the same products in different ways .
@@SagasuRunning yes I find it interesting how we all get on with different shoes! Annoyingly I really liked the Saucony Endorphin Pro 3 but the upper of the Pro 4 has too much volume and overall I feel like the Pro 3 was easier to run marathon pace in. Sadly although I like the Takumi sen a lot it would not be cushioned enough for the marathon distance for me. I am a female with a narrow foot so I am struggling with the unisex sizing that some brands do with the carbon plate shoes. It is also unfortunate that I supinate so the tiny cut out in the midsole of the Adios Pro 3 means they become unstable for me. Other than that I liked running in them so it's annoying!
@@QuasiAmerican Hmmm, the NB shoes strike me as similar in feel to the EP3 as far as the soft foam. But the width and sloppy uppers are not great. Maybe worth a look to see if anything fits.
Ya, the TS10 is likely not a marathon for most. Beyond that…. There are still VF2s out there in the resale market for on prices. They won’t last very long form here though. The upcoming Streakfly 2 may also be an option, I expect it have the VF2 aggressive feel, but it likely will have the same issue as the TS10 for distance.
Nothing else is quite like a VF2…
@@SagasuRunning thanks! Yeh the NB SC Elite V4 was too wide in the upper for my narrow foot so I struggled with heel lock. Same issue with the metaspeed edge/sky Paris too 😢 (unisex sizing at its worst in that shoe). I'm like the Hoka Rocket X2 but the lower drop makes me a little nervous when it comes to the marathon distance. I was interested in you saying the Alphafly 3 works for you despite V1 and V2 not working. I tried V1 and V2 and although I ran long training runs (20+ miles) in both I found the V2 felt clunky and slow and V1 made my calves tired. I'm a heel striker so wasn't sure if I would still not get on with V3 so I held off on buying it.
The AF3 feels like a bouncier VF3. It feels like a normal running shoes now that they removed the decoupled forefoot/heel. It’s not the most narrow fit, but the booties upper is more conforming than the VF3 upper…. But it may be something to look at. It’s very good.
I was going for The SL2 but if what you said is true then I'm not going for it anymore
If what part is true?
If you pronate, even mildly, and are a heel striker of midfoot striker...forget that the SL2 even exists . Seriously, there is a reason I mention the pronation issue nearly every time I talk about the SL2 on this channel.
Novablast 5 Blast Max midsole?
That’s what I’ve seen…. Yes.
Any thoughts on Brooks Hyperion 2?
It's a shoe I'm curious about and may pick up late this year when things are less busy. I don't feel I need to urgently cover it. Brooks shoes get very little traffic, even around release. So it's a shoe I can pick up this winter and try out when there is nothing else being released. So saving a few options for me to cover when there is a new shoe drought (Dec-March).
What about Adidas Adiós 9?
@@cubebeast6479 What about it? I talked about it in the preview section….
Has anyone heard more info on the low-stack plateless Puma with the new nitro elite foam? That is exactly the shoe I want, I would be so bummed if that was a Japan only release...
Joe Rubio has mentioned it multiple times on his Running Warehouse Podcast, I’ve seen it mentioned on Reddit and a friend of a friend who works with some Puma athletes has mentioned it…
Joe is the only one I’ve heard mention it as “Japan only” as he said the use case is for Ekiden coaches who don’t want their athletes doing any base in plated shoes in the spring to build foot strength and durability for the season.
I’ve heard the above in multiple places too… but not Japan specific… which feels odd to me as Puma doesn’t have a huge footprint in the Ekidens in Japan, at least compared to Nike, Adidas and now On.
I assume it’s a Liberate Nitro 3 or the replacement for that line. The only details I’ve heard are “low stack” (but no numbers), A-TPU Nitro foam and no plate/shank…
… and yes, it sounds like I shoe I really want too.
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@@SagasuRunning I haven't ran in any of the new Asics racing shoes, but I'd love to try a low-stack, plateless shoe with their FF Turbo Plus foam.
That could be good actually. It’s dense enough for that. Maybe we will see the Hyper Speed 5 with FFTurbo+ 🤷🏼♂️
@@SagasuRunning Not sure how interested you are in Brooks or how easy they are to get a hold of in Taiwan, but the Hyperion 2 might be a shoe you like, it has been an awesome low stack speedster.
@bobkhan1809 It’s on my list…. But no rush. Brooks shoes get very little traffic and no one is waiting on anyone’s POV on a Brooks… but the H2 is a shoe I’ll likely get to over the winter when there is nothing else to cover during the winter shoe drought.
Pegasus plus is so overpriced for what you get. It'd be a good shoe at 140/150 but 180 is too much.
I honestly don't understand this POV. ZoomX is a premium and expensive material. Additionally, the Peg Plus is the SAME price as the Turbo was years ago. If anything you get MORE for the price now due to better foams and inflation. It's also the same tier as the Invincible and the same price... Is it not worth that price because you get less foam?
I'm not trying to be elitist here...but I seriously don't understand.
Yes I know, many of the shoes people see as "better" or competitors are $20-30 USD cheaper...but none of them are ZoomX foam...
@@SagasuRunning Nike has just lost their touch recently and are resting on their laurels instead of pushing the boundaries like other shoe brands. They haven't come out with a new foam in years and have many holes in their lineup. Invincible is also a bad shoe unless someone is heavy enough to utilize the foam. SL2 is a better value than both.
It depends on your perspective. Innovation takes many forms and I think Nike is waking up to that. In 2024 with the Peg41/PP/VF3/AF3 is see zero gaps and a range that no one but Adidas can match.
Other brands are trying things, sure, but that’s doesn’t mean they are any good. Most of the so called “innovation” in the space won’t be here in 2-3 years.
I agree the Invincible 3 isn’t that great. There are better max cushion shoes. However that is a type of shoe I am pay less and less attention too as I don’t think they are needed.
I’ve been talking about this a lot on the channel but we will start seeing next gen foams in the next 2 years or so. From Nike and everyone else….
@@SagasuRunning Nike doesn't have a superblast/MagMax/glycerin max competitor. Invincible isn't in the same level because the foam is too unstable.
It’s coming…. In 2025, though I don’t think it’s needed…