My New ASG Dan Wesson 715 6" Co2 Pellet Version Review, Bait and Switch or Smoke and Mirrors?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- 2nd Look & Custom Barrel Update - Dan Wesson 715 6" Co2 Pellet
• My ASG Dan Wesson 715 ...
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This is fairly long and hopefully informative video review of my new ASG Dan Wesson 715 6" Co2 .177 pellet revolver.
It's also a bit of an ongoing rant on my disappointment on an erroneous misleading technical specification on the pistol's actual rifled barrel length. Aside from talking about and sharing my thoughts on the gun, I compare it somewhat technically and aesthetically to a real Dan Wesson 715 .357 Mag firearm. I also run 4 different pellets variations through the chronograph, and also accuracy test it as well. This rehashes the rant on the 'too short'/'wrongly' spec'd rifled barrel length. I also add some last minute vid footage of a newly purchased Crosman Vigilante Co2 pistol with a longer (correctly spec'd) rifled barrel to compare accuracy results from the dismal Dan Wesson performance. As a true air gun replica of it's firearm counterpart, the DW 715 is truly got to be the finest aesthetic example, but as an accurate pellet revolver in it's cost and class, I haven't seen or experienced a worse example. How ASG could switch from a 5.5" rifled barrel to a current 2.5" in this large replica Co2 model is unbelievable... What's even more unacceptable is they ASG currently still spec it out as a 5.5" rifled inner barrel.
So is it "Bait and Switch" or "Smoke and Mirrors"?
You can decide for yourself.....
Some finnish dude modified his dw 715 to shoot .25 cal pellets, and modified the valve and hammer spring, he got it up to 16fpe (22J)
This gun would be best, to use the ASG hpa capsule and fill it +20, 30% more presssure than regular co2 and modified hammer and valve, so it would make the power its supposed to and mabe put a .22 or .25 cal barrel too
That sounds like a powerhouse mod for sure.
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@@toyotacorollae1407 thanks, I'll check them out when I have some time.
best video on this issue regarding the 2.55" barrel. Exactly what I was researching. Thanks for the great video and information.
Thanks and you're welcome. I believe in sharing information both good and bad that I would want to know about.
Thank you for the review! I like how you went into extensive detail. I run a 2.5 inch Dan Wesson and am really happy with it, but the accuracy isn’t good so I was gonna trade it for a 6 inch, so I’m glad you mentioned the barrel issue so I didn’t waste my money!
You're welcome, and that's exactly why I made the video. It's important to know exactly what you're getting and not some wrongly advertised feature/specification.
@@VipersVideos great review with big attention to details this helped me with final purchase decision thx. Maybe ASG learned the lesson because their Schofield replica is currently advertised as "half-length rifled barrel". Btw my next candidate for purchase when the budget allows.
@@starymacintosh You would hope they learned from it, or at least decided to be a bit more honest in advertising. Thanks!
I just ordered mine the other day.
So until I get it, I’m experiencing it vicariously through watching these videos
That's what I did before I got mine. I hope you enjoy it!
@@VipersVideos I just finished the review. You did a good review on this one!
@@basednorsegael1089 Thank you. It was a bit longer than I wanted, but I covered as much as I could just winging it like I do.
Thanks for the insight about the barrel
You're welcome. The information can be helpful to some.
Thank you very much for your video. I also saw the same gun in my location yestaday, but I noticed that the barrel length was less than half, i have some concerns so didn't make the purchase. Then I started searching for this gun. However, in some videos from 2016, it shows that the gun indeed had a 5.5-inch barrel. Perhaps the ASG made changes to it in recent years. That's what I think now.
Yes, that's what I think also.
Hi there! I own the ASG 6"chromed,in 4,5mms. The barrel is NOT rifled. I've watched here on UA-cam, that the rifled versions do NOT have the entire barrel rifled. Only the first inches. So the rifled barrel ones do have the same rifled barrel no matter the length they have. Only part of it is rifled.😮😮😢😢 I believe that this channel shows this too. With replicas not made in Japan, we can (and have) to wait bad matters. And by the way: to me they are all made in the same place. Watch closer please for example: the Umarex models 29s S&W and the ASG Dan Wesson 715. Look how they are made, look at the materials... Look at their cylinders, for example... Drop me a line if you want.
Me personally, I enjoy the finish of the turn marks with the contrasting view on the cylinder, but that’s just personal preference. I have very limited metal working experience so that’s natural. I just got myself one of these, I’m loving the insight to things I wouldn’t have noticed, great video
I totally understand the contrasting view and actually it's not a bad look to me either. Just like anything though in manufacturing parts will vary, and some turn marks will be deeper and some more shallow. Deeper ones you can actually feel and will pick up dirt and grime through use is what I was more griping about. That with the short rifled barrel sent me into a nit pickey rant mode..lol
In the UK we have the same issue with the Da Wesson 6inch barrel only having an effective 2.5 inch rifling. It leaves us feeling cheated. There is guy on UA-cam who adapted his gun by replacing the rifled barrel with a full 6inch insert. The accuracy was vastly improved.
I felt the same way....
Then I also replaced the short barrel with a longer custom one in this vid: ua-cam.com/video/NT1PHdcJUmw/v-deo.html
Thanks, I was going to buy one of these just because I thought it had the 6 inch barrel. Not now.
I just received the 715-4 with the 4" barrel, when measuring the rifled barrel including the cone (interface to the drum), the total rifled length is 92mm. Actually longer than the 6" version! Weird!
Yes, I've heard that about the 4" versions as well. If I were to get another one it would be the 4" version simply for this reason! Thanks!
This is one of the best videos, power, accuracy and distance to target without all the gabble on how to load and fitting the Co2. Couldn't be better!
@@VipersVideos The 2.5" snubnose is the nicest 1 and has the full rifled barrel. The 4" just doesn't look right with that picatinny rail underneath and wouldn't suit a torch or laser anyway so it's a pointless feature.
@@clivemarsh2397 a little extra whiny gabble on the issues I had with it, but at least it was factual, lol. Thanks for the comment!
@@cyrusshellard3905 yeah, I thought the pic rail on the bottom shroud looked a bit off as well, but at least they had options.
I have bought this exact gun in the UK. The issue that the so called 6inch barrel is actually 2.5 inches of rifled barrel the rest is smooth bore.
Yep, exactly.
Very interesting vid. I have that pistol and was not aware of the rifling issue. Does the accuracy matter though? It's a great looking gun and lovely to handle. That spread at 30 ft. will still hit a tin can. I have a Weihrauch HW110 for when I need accurate shooting . As a previous comment noted; the Crossman does look pretty crap. My verdict, the DW is the better buy. Greetings from the UK, where this is the only type of pistol we can own!
Greetings and great question. The only actual (two personal) reasons it bothered me are: #1.) I was really torn on which 6" model to buy as I actually wanted the Nickel plated smooth bore barrel (BB) version more for the looks but not wanting a bb accuracy gorgeous replica, so : #2.) I begrudgingly bought the dark steel grey version due to a stated 5.5" rifled pellet barrel figuring the accuracy would be more befitting of such a well made replica. Thus, I messed up my purchase as I didn't buy the "Looks" version I wanted and instead the 'Accurate' (5.5" spec'd rifled bbl) pellet version I thought I was getting turned out to be misrepresented with a short barrel and sadly inaccurate ironically enough even compared to the bb version**, and of course a 1/2 $ priced budget Crosman V pistol.
- ** Recently I found a good deal (oddly lucky chanced obscure one time offer dealer, gone now) and got the 6" nickel bb version which has a longer, more appropriate ID barrel, and shooting at the same distance is just as accurate with bb's as the darker steel grey pellet version. But yeah, it's a fantastic well built, aesthetically accurate replica for sure!
@@VipersVideos I do see your point. I too prefer the nickel plated one, but my local gun dealer was offering a reduced price on the grey on...now I know why! Actually my ugly old Webley Tempest that my Dad bought me in 1970 is still the better pistol.
@@angowT Yep, that Tempest was a heck of a gun in it's day, and still is!
My Man the gun is beautiful but can’t afford it,just being truthful got SR 357 because of price.Nice revolver 10/10
That the barrel isn't fully rifled would bother me too. I would complain to trading standards department.
I think this gun has the higher speed than other revolvers from asg /gletcher /cybergun revolvers, may be there are revolvers that shoots higher, but this is defenetly not bad, the fact with the barrel spoils this gun a little bit, but apart from that it is one of the best airgun revolvers.
Yes, I agree for the most part.
I've had the 4" model for a while and just today got the 6" model. Both have full length riflings. So apparently there are different versions floating around. I bought both of mine used so have no idea when they were made. Maybe the short rifling versions are made for countries like UK where there's an energy limit for license free airguns? Where I live, everything up and including .25 cal and uses air as propellant needs no license, no matter how fast it shoots.
Thanks for the info!
Great review. My newly acquired Umarex M29 .44 Magnum 8 inch barrel revolver has some of the same defects that you show here (I suspect they're both actually manufactured by KWC of Taiwan), with the lathe turn marks on the cylinder, and the much shorter inner barrel (about 6 inches instead of the full length of the 8 inches of the external one). But, at least the electroplating is perfect on it. You'd expect better quality from such specialized items? I love the fact that you took the time to compare it side-by-side with the real deal! Anyway, thanks for sharing your honest opinion.
Thanks for the comment.
I shared a bit more frustration than I'd planned, but yeah that's honesty and I was really just trying to show some issues I was both happy and not happy about with an otherwise really well made replica. Glad you enjoyed it.
- I also just recently got the M29 .44, and yep near exactly the same shortcomings, but also the crane/yolk assembly is a bit wobbly compared to the DW, but that's for another video!
@@VipersVideos Looking forward to your review of the M29.
@@VipersVideos can you make a similar video for the m29? I would appreciate it!
@@AlainHubert Me too, as soon as we get out of this sub zero F winter... lol
@@eeropar3543 I'm planning on it as soon as winter is over here, so keep a look out this spring/summer!
Great review! So now I am wondering, which model has the longest rifling? The 2.5 or 4 or 6"? Could one of their shorter barrels have a longer rifled barrel? And what about the FPS on each?
No idea with these latest/last versions. The original/first version 715's had a full length rifled barrel for each of the different lengths.
Many thanks for the very informative video 👍 What do you think, it's sensible to exchange the inner barrel?
You're welcome. I have recently changed/added a longer rifled barrel and it was a lot of work to make it fit and function correctly. It is now very cold where I live so I cannot properly test to see if power and accuracy is improved from the original barrel. Thus, sensible would be a personal choice if you want to put time, work and money into changing it. I did it for only my own desire, but it was not necessary of course.
@@VipersVideos Hello! I bought the original 6 inch barrel this week and replaced it. It was esay todo. I just did a short test, distance about 6m. First test shots showed no change! The grouping wasn't satisfied. I believe that some sleeves are processed improperly!?
@@EbolaS007 That is interesting. I will test mine in a few months when winter is gone and spring/summer comes back. Current temperature is -7 deg F. which is terrible! lol
I've been wanting to pull the trigger on this item but I can only find it and snub nose I'll have to look around but beautiful good pickup great video
Check out Pyramyd Air or Airgun Depot. Thanks for the comment!
@@VipersVideos found one brother thank you very much got one on Amazon for 119 is that a good deal? Haven't ordered yet says pyramid is the distributor
@@MrJoeygregory If it turns out to be what you want and you like it, then yeah it's a good deal. I've overpaid for some things and got smoking deals on other things, but I also have learned if I've waited too long for a better price, I've missed out completely if they sell out, discontinue, etc..
Great and indepth review. Can a true six inch rifled insert be found and fitted for this dan wesson 6inch ?
I've got a 2.5" and a 4" 715, both chrome finish.
Awesome collection of 715's you're starting.
@@VipersVideos I'll be getting the 6", but only if I can find it in chrome.
Thanks
Welcome
Could you tell me what the stated power was on the 715? Was there a black sticker mentioning power when you unboxed it? I saw one which stated 2.7J but people on here seem to be getting more power out of it
I've seen the sticker on some units but not on others. My unit did not have the sticker.
The specifications on the box read exactly: Energy Max 3.0 Joule - Velocity Up to 130 ms / 430 fps.
@@VipersVideos Yeah 3j should be it. Its a 3j sticker on the 6" and 2.7j on 4". Airgun detectives has a video on all 3 models and guy got a lot more power out of the 3 pieces than stated on the box!
Thanks for the confirmation, appreciate the response
@@avp.69 No problem. you're welcome!
I have the 2.5 in. and with the Fast Flights I get 464/470 fps. at 83 deg. outside
this gun is almost as powerful as my Vigilante. for a Sunb nose.
Similar results to what I got, and yeah it is definitely powerful for the shorter sized barrel.
I too like close tolerances and now will not purchase any a,.s.g Dan Wesson air pistols!
have you compared it to 629, 629 competitor or standard dan wesson 6 or 8" by any chance?
Trying to pick a co2 bb revolver for me
No I haven't but it would be fun to do that. As far as picking one I think they are all pretty good, and maybe save up and get a couple of them over time.
Don’t wipe it down with silicone ..it will look funny but you can wipe it off.
Love the rifle barrel. 👎🏻
I’m a good shooter the results were the gun shoots to the left . I’m thinking putting on a red dot 🔴 as they have a
Mount for it . But I grew up on iron sights !!
Yep silicone will give rainbow streaks. The shorter rifled bbl stinks for sure, and I agree on growing up on irons but now I prefer a red dot. I'm just trying to roll with it...
Did you use a new CO2 cartridge with each different pellet , or , did you continue with the same cartridge through all the different pellets ? I have the Dan Wesson 22cal. and it is accurate out to 100 yds. Aim small , miss small !!
Sometimes I switch, but only when cold out or I shoot a ton of each pellets. In this case it was 85 deg F. and I only shot like 6 of each pellet, so as long as I waited 10 seconds between shots (edited out dead time) the 'equal' pressure was still there for all pellets shot in this instance.
Wow so this is 2,5”.
What are the advantages of longer barrel ? Accuracy ?
Yes, mine was 2.55" rifled and a remainder outer larger diameter smooth bore of about 3" long. 'Typical advantages' would be better or improved accuracy and power.
To be clear the advantage of the longer barrel is increased sight radius. This induces less sighting error and improves accuracy. The longer barrel also allows for higher velocities letting the gas work a bit longer on the projectile. This is true with powder burners as well but there is a diminishing return based on the cartridge and powder burning rate.
Is it what they call "steel grey" color or black? On your video it looks black. Have they come out with a black version?
Yes it's steel grey model. It's more like a charcoal grey look.
Might seem like a dumb question but is that different bullet casings to fit .177 pellets? Im thibkig of buyimg it for airsoft but i keep seeing people using ball bearings and air pellets. Are they all the same guns, or are they different from eachover?
1.) Yes, my DW715 pellet version came with slightly larger ID (a few thou's) cartridges, while my BB version came with slightly smaller ID cartridges.
In the case of this model brand, ASG differentiated the cartridges due to pellets being 4.5mm/.177" on average, while bb's run about .171 - .174" on average. So yes, pellet and bb versions are different cartridges.
2.) No, they are not the same guns barrel or cartridge wise. Pellet version gives you a small section of steel rifled barrel. While the BB version gives you a small section of smooth bore bb barrel.
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Lastly, I know very little about the airsoft version, but assume it would be a 6mm version with larger ID diameter cartridges and a larger diameter barrel bore. But that is only my assumption.
Well if you include the length of the pellet shell with the length of the .177 rifled barrel how long is it?
No idea, non sequitur. Shell is non rifled, and there is an interruption space between the end of the shell, front cylinder and breach end of barrel. One has nothing to do with the other. But if you want to measure for whatever reason, no prob.
Use bbs 0.30g?
Not bad for a 2.5 barrel. and open sights .but … Dan Wesson cheap out ! that’s what I’m looking at the Crossman V .
Yeah it's decent for a 2.5" for sure, but it could/should be better barrel wise. Nothing beats it's aesthetics and higher quality build, but many other budget affordables including the Crosman V out perform it.
@@VipersVideos I agree
@@VipersVideos Forget the Crosman V
Trouble is mate the Vigilante looks like a cheap piece of shit 😆 horrible looking and feels cheap aswel
That's the scathing irony I find... That the 'horrible looking and cheaply costed Vigilante' shoots circles around the beautiful expensive (cheated junk short barreled...lol) replica DW 715.
do you know if the BB version has a full 6" barrel?? I might go that way if it does.
Oddly enough I do know, but it is of course based on an actual one (the silver bb version I should have bought in the first place, lol) I bought last fall after this rifled barrel version fiasco.
- What I found on my 6" bb version is: The Inner Actual Smooth Bore Barrel Is 5" Long. Then there is a slightly larger tube over that which is .510 longer but it is a larger diameter the actual barrel is slid into.
- For whatever reason ASG calls it a 5.51" bbl, which is not correct!
- Then the extra fake firearm bore looking thing which is just about .5" to make the total outside gun barrel/shroud 6" total.
-So no matter what you read in sales marketing specs, the actual smooth bore barrel length is 5" Hope this helps. Good luck with you decision making!
I've also heard this about the barrel mate, the 2.5" snub nose is the best 1
Yep, I imagine it's the same barrel they would use in their 2.5" DW 715 model.
@@VipersVideos Cuz it is
Boa noite amigo eu tive observando essa pressão do cão devido ser outro sistema de mola. Tem resistência tem força?
exatamente igual ao estado de fábrica
Not real smart putting a real gun in a toy gun's box, but that's just me. You do you.
Well you're a good man. A good man always knows his limitations...
Честный обзор, спасибо!))
You are welcome!
And Vigilante not a replica
Nope it's not. But it is a very budget friendly co2 pellet pistol with very decent power and accuracy. I like the DW 715 replica way better visually, but until I put/mod a longer (like specified length) rifled barrel in it, it's just a display piece at this point.
Should of sent it back then!!!
I thought about sending it back but it was a real nice gun otherwise, so I ended up making a proper (actually over spec length) rifled barrel for it. Now It's a great gun! Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/NT1PHdcJUmw/v-deo.html
@@VipersVideos I checked out the vid, nice job Sir. 👍🏼
@@mrb4408 Thanks!
So remind me how much you paid for this replica
Off the top of my head I don't remember exactly what I paid, but usually I find a 10% off and have $ 5.00 worth of Bullseye Bucks to put towards the cost. Not always, but usually.
@@VipersVideos So you paid probably $140 for what was sold to you as a replica. A facsimile externally of a real firearm?
@@PhillRobinson I looked up the invoice on the PA website, and after discounts I paid: Total Due (USD) $124.93
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I skipped this vid and still didn't get what I wanted what a waste of time
Non moror inepta... :)
Lots of design issues on these due to trying to make a pellet gun look like a .357 revolver, which it is not. Forget the corny "realistic" looking barrel bore and just do a full length rifled .177 bore. Dump the STUPID "cartridge" style loading system and simply use a .177 bored cylinder or a rotary magazine design that simply inserts into the cylinder which could then be at least an 8 shot and not have to bother with the fake cartridges. Why limit the thing to a 6 shot to make it look like something it's not? AFA the cosmetics the video creator complains about I understand his annoyance but at this price point you can only expect so much. It would be a lot better if they focused on the functionality rather than trying to replicate $800+ firearm cosmetics. The Diana Raptor revolver is really a much better design because it doesn't waste time and functionality trying to be something it isn't, although it is rated at a little less velocity. But you get the full 8 round capacity that will fit in .177.
No "design issues" that I noticed or mentioned. I talked/complained about my opinion on some "manufacturing issues" with this particular model/version.
- I guess it's my opinion verses yours on what quality level of cosmetic finish/appearance you can expect for the cost. Overall, this issue wasn't a deal breaker.
- My major complaint/frustration was the 'misrepresented' specification of the rifled steel barrel length. A manufacturing revision on this version as the original version had the specified length. Not a design issue at that point after the fact.
- Not sure why you're mentioning the Diana Raptor (which I've not seen or heard of until now) but I wanted the DW 715 co2 replica to go with my actual real DW 715 which holds only six rounds/cartridges.
- Sounds like you have it all figured out and prefer the Diana Raptor so I hope you have one to enjoy as much as it seems like you would. thys...
The "stupid"cartridge cylinder has its purpose. When you are training to use the real gun, you get to use the proper method with cartridges as well. You get to train use of speed loaders, and manual loading.
Yes, it does first hand sound stupid, but that is part of the revolvers to be bought...
Great video. I've come this 🤏🏾 close repeatedly to buying this plinker, but always I've held off. Thank you so much for such an informative video, EXACTLY the meat and potatoes of the subject I wanted to know.
I'm glad it was helpful. I wish I'd have seen a video like this before I jumped in. Thanks for the comment!