"For this new method of propulsion, we need something that spins round and round for whatever reason, how about the saucer section?" "How about the whole ship?" "Great idea!"
@@ChrissonatorOFL I’m fairly sure that the bridge stays stationary during the jumps, whereas the (I think they’re called) drive dishes spin around it. If that’s what you meant, of course
@@debillington9239 Well, the ship itself stays stationary, the saucer contains a system that does spin, but looking at a jump from inside the ship, the ship doesn't appear to spin completely like this... Similar to how the warp jump from inside the Enteprise D wasn't the same as what we saw outside the ship when jumping to warp.
It still amazes me that people think the entire ship is spinning lol. They make it clear multiple times that its a illusion byproduct; unless yo uthink the ship is also duplicating and clipping into itself as well.. Might as well point out how the ship "stretches past integrity" in warp, at that logic🙄
I wonder if that whole thing about hitting Hawking radiation and spinning out will ever come up again. I hope Discovery spins out, that would be hilarious.
I would say the spin is the representation in normal space of the ship entering the mycelial network; as we see in season 1 (or 2 - I don't remember) - the ship starts to spin before it is forcibly stopped to stay "in" the mycelial network
They could have made a spore drive but would have had no navigator like stamets with tardigrade dna Thats what everyone forgets And the spore drive was officially to starfleet command a huge fail because they think it blew up discovery and admiral cornwell
Literally half the people who see the spore jump: "Jesus Christ where the fuck did that god damn ship disappear to?" "GOODNESS WHEN DID THAT GET THERE"
Eh well the warp part would only be useful if the spire drive was down. As for the manoeuvrability and better engine performance you can’t go too wrong. Hell take a look at the P-51D and P-51H. The D was a capable long range fighter but was not as fast as early Me-262s, the P-51H was introduced too late but would have been competitive in a dive with a jet. The difference in the two being avionics and engines.
As someone who thought the spinning animation was stupid, I've now come to realise - thanks to you uploading this video - that the sound is far worse than the animation. Sounds like windscreen wipers.....
Worse was last jump with TOS theme. That's forshadowing that they are out of money and season 4 literally will be like TOS because of it. If they were creative or imaginative than they could have made something good....
flashy lights, fancy sounds...all that is needed to fool the simpletons into thinking it is a good show. Trek used to be for people with a brain. Now it has the vegetables praising it. They are to stupid to see the plot holes, retcons, how goofy the makeup and some of the characters are...lots of action and drama is all they need to occupy them.
Feels like perfect moment to mock your enemies while using spore drive to jump random directions from side-to-side to confuse him or doing ninja ambushes 🤣
Discovery was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, taking place ten years in the past. Yet for some reason, the tech in Discovery (along with the visuals) looks super advance (and really appealing, for the visuals). The same goes for the starships in Discovery. That's something you only see in the first six Star Trek films and TNG, DS9, and Voyager era.
Look the initial first season and subsequently the entire series is not just set 10 years prior. It's in a slightly alt universe. And if this is not believable then what about when they jumped back from the disc. Mirror uni.? There is bound to be some mistakes when you have a ship with a displacement activated spore hub drive that can literally jump through the MULTIVERSE AND SEPRATE TIMELINES, AND FORWARD AND BACKWARD THROUGH TIME.
@@Noctintrus the spore drive is a testament to weak sauce writing. The whole premise blows and shits all over the Star Trek mythology ten times over. That's part of why hardened fans left in droves.
Wait a sec... so after the refit every time before a spore-jump or going to Warp they reconnect/reattach (whatever) the nacelles with the secondary hull. Then why on earth are the nacelles separate from the hull, what is/was the point of them being detachable? It doesn't serve any purpose except being a (stupid) gimmick.
@@dark_ops1651 If the nacelles have to attach for them to go to Warp, variable geometry is not it. Now COLLAPSIBLE nacelles would have been cool. Like, nanites or something (from that nanite planet Wesley created way back when he let 2 medical nanites play together and it almost ate the ship?) where the nacelles form out of the hull. I mean everyone would whine about them stealing that from Ironman but whatever. At least there'd be something vaguely plausible. Or maybe they could have just shrunk down like an accordion, then prior so warp they stretch out. Though that's pretty dumb too. In TNG era they had ships with tiny little warp nacelles (Defiant/Voyager) so, well, the massive long, vulnerable things that aren't even bloody attached properly are super dated.
@@shawarden shit I didn't realize they attached for warp, I thought it was just a spore drive thing :/ Apart from impulse flight, I guess it just looks cool...?
@@dark_ops1651 I kind of wonder how they would be more manouverable with detached nacelles. What makes it so different? All it seems to do is make the ship a little bit wider. Bit weird that future starfleet would want to refit a 900 year old design aswell. It would be kind of like us adding new tech, engines and stuff to a ship from the 1100s, or are they implying that Starfleet has been living in the dark ages since 2379. I mean, Star Trek Picard looks more outdated than TNG to be honest.
@@Dumlen Disco's original warp engine and Nacelle design would have conflicted with subspace emissions laws in place from 24th century onwards (yes they're a thing, from TNG). It's why Voyagers Nacelles were mechanically variable. Yall would have complained if it was mechanical like the Intrepid so they went with something a bit more fantastical.
Controversial opinion, I like the spore drive. I just think they couldve and shouldve made it less overpowered and made its lore better. I love the idea of the burn and the discovery having an alternative FTL travel.
Friendly reminder that we find out early in season 2 the Spore Drive essentially runs on genocide, and is devastating the reality through which it shortcuts with every jump. Now they're planning to build them into the whole fleet. They could be making safer quantum slipstream capable ships instead, if they weren't too preoccupied with building their ships as hideous as possible.
I think they said it was the Doctor's spirit in the spore dimension that was causing the chaos there . his spirit entered it through stemet's tears while they were jumping and was living there causing damage to them . so when they extracted him through a biological transporter it solved the problem. and he got a brand new body , with no body hair except head hair
A spore drive in a normal everyday sci-fi show would be interesting. In Star Trek, it's fucking stupid. The way these people's world build I won't even let them build a jam and cream sponge.
I agree. Its a shame because the idea has poteninal, but we don't need it here, warp drive has served us well since the '60s. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it :=)
@@jaymartin8273 It hasn't served us well. Usually they just say, "we'll be there in a few hours." Then it just skips to a few hours later. "We're here Captain." Pointless.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx Yes of course they do, but I still can't shake the feeling that the spore drive was thrown in for the sake of being 'cool' with little thought over how it would affect canon. This is why I don't like prequels
I hate how people just blindly follow each other in hating on this. There is nothing wrong with this. The spore jumps are awesome, and so is the sound design. I bet most of the people in the comments section that just blindly say how bad it is haven't even watched the show.
If only they copied the 'programmable matter" idea from Tron Legacy too. Instead we get that... that thing in the magic floating computer room that almost ate Burnham. WTAF!
When it's jumping, it does look like it's overlapping itself during rotation, much like a tesseract in 3D space. Perhaps indicating a transition to a higher dimension, a sub-dimension that connects the under-space mycelial network and our dimension.
Ahh one of the most op and usefull techs out there...used on one ship with apparently no real efforts to reproduce it, spelling certain disaster if it were to ever fall into the wrong hands. Immagine what would happen if the borg were to get their hands on a jumpdrive functioning in the whole galaxy, complete assimilation within months after it makes the rounds
@@FlinnGaidin (didn't get a notif of your comment( Well this is a bit different as the bismark was intended to fight and pretty much only usefull for that. The sporedrive however is a technological jewel leagues above anything avaible to anyone the fed knows about. So unless you find out how to reproduce it and install a self destruct should the ship ever fall into the wrong hands letting it out of fortified areas is dumb. these presequisits have to be given before the discovery is allowed to move out. Edit: jesus christ how did i fuck up at writing there
Actually, watching this video I realized STD is pretty good show.. If you cut out all the unbearable characters and all the nonsensical plot. My man, you actually fixed the entire show, well done.
I love that the art director on this: “Make it spin and then drop down, both on the Y axis.” “Y-axi-… okay but like drop spatially in a non-Euclidean way?” “No…down on the Y-axis relative to the camera.” “But wh-“ “Down…the Y… axis.” “But-“ “Kurtzman this guy doesn’t get Our Trek get him out of here.”
DID YOU KNOW: The spinning of The Discovery during it's spore jumps was implemented as a nod to Gene Roddenberry rolling in his grave when his vision of the future was ruined by some talentless hack.
Roddenberry rolls in his grave when people who call themselves fans of a franchise about new technologies, exploration, and open mindedness complain about a show with new technologies, exploration, and open mindedness.
@@nefariousarcher2484 I wanted Discovery to do well, I really did, but the writing is absolute shite, and all the new technology is being actively weaponised by Starfleet in Discovery, not when necessary like in the old Trek. Starfleet officers aren't petty children who call their subordinates idiots, or swear at their superiors except in Discovery. That's why Discovery feels soulless to me.
My head cannon to why it doesn’t appear again is because that the spore drive was banned for A: Expiring after a while, making the entire ship useless, and B: it gave the crew extreme motion sickness.
They already gave an answer in season 2 and then they did not use it for whatever reason. There was an Episode where it was stated that the spore drive damaged the mushroom Dimension. I thought that would be the answer, that they will stop using the spore drive after that and that they cannot use it to bring Voyager home. But no, Starfleet classified it, and the Discovery continued to use it all the time in the 32th century. So Starfleet had the technology all the time to bring Voyager home, or win the Dominion war much more easily, but still decided to not use the technology. Stupidest answer ever. Why didnt the writers of the Show did not stick with the solution that the spore drive is harmful to the mushroom network. I dont get it.
@@wehavecookies5395 The "mycelial network" a.k.a the mushroom dimension which Discovery uses for its spore drive. I always have to gooogle the term before i remember it, therefore i use a simpler one.
Yeah, but I always thought the 1979 onward movie Warp drive becoming a blueshift jump speed lines looked cartoonist. The warp drive now is just ILM Star Wars hyperdrive effects from the 80s. The JJ movies made it more like Babylon 5 meets Doctor Who. I just liked the subtlety of TOS since the writers were going to have lasers at warp, interactions with sublight vessels at warp, Warp maneuvers like supersonic bombers. The effects made it easier for the viewer to simply accept the mistakes in physics the writers still shove onto the screen.
NOw hear me out: imagine this level of f/x but with talented screenwriters? Or just split the budget into fifths and give the money to five different teams and I promise you'll end up with at least 3 better shows than this.
MAN do you REALISE how long i've been waiting for someone to compile most if not all of the spore jumps in STD? Im not a fan of the plot but i assure you the VFX is OUTSTANDING!
@@general_prodigy The spore drive's technology allows STD to use the power of your television to go from the bottom of the screen and to the top of the screen. So while they could have bent space (like making two points on a piece of paper touch by folding the paper), it is more efficient to jump from the bottom of the screen to the top of the screen. Since it doesn't even involve any folding. And since it's so efficient, they added a little silly pirouette because they could.
@@NitpickingNerd You mean when they tried to escape from the mirror universe? They weren't at warp, they "rided the wave" from the explosion of the charon and spore jumped....
3 seasons of watching the "highlights" on youtube and it still looks and sounds like the effect it pulled from a loony tunes cartoon or budget production other than the lightining effect, the lightning would make for a decent point defence system effect
@@capuchinhelper The engineer exclaiming to the captain "I cannae get anymore power, captain!" before squeezing that extra bit of power to save the day?
Apparently they couldn’t stand waiting for the ship to get to its destination and using that time to have the characters develop and analyze the plot and do some character development.
@@kjordan2001 Honestly, I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, there's plenty of times throughout Star Trek where travel time is skipped entirely, cuts to a different scene, that kind of thing. On the other hand, think of how much has happened in those intervals throughout the series as well.
*When they want to "jump" the code for all crew is "Black Alert". They use this advanced technology from the spores that are full in the universe, but all tribes, nations and entities don't know about it, except humans who know about it, including all the USS Discovery crew.* This technology was discovered during the USS Discovery. At that time all space ship used dilithium for warp speed. Dilithium is used by nearly all space ship to running with light speed. But the USS Discovery finally shot 950 years into the future. Even in the future, no one knows about this technology. In that future, sadly, The United Federation of Planets no longer exists, because there was a huge explosion known as "The Burn" which destroyed thousands of spaceships from all nations that used dilithium at the same time, all star ship on the galaxy were gone. Exploded. Vanish! But then dilithium was still sought after because it was the only warp tool that could be used and was very, very rare, and the price was very high. USS Discovery investigates what caused The Burn and finds a dilithium-rich planet that is much sought after in all galaxies. With the USS Discovery, the remnants of The United Federation of Planets in the future then offered dilithium to all nations and invited them to form The United Federation of Planets again.With the USS Discovery and this advance "Spore Jump" technology, The United Federation of Planets began to be re-formed, again.
Heck no! U.S.S. Discovery is AMAZING. We're just surrounded by a small yet extremely vocal minority with a megaphone and pitch forks. DSC revived Star Trek and was successfully enough to jump start Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks & Picard. It's a winning formula and the *majority* of Trek Fans love it. It's NOT perfect but neither were any Trek series before it.
@@peppercallahan8286 I have never seen the old shows. I have watched the Abrams movies and Discovery thats it. And I really like star trek. Im just afraid of diving deeper into it because I see so many Star trek fans just complaining and bitching and nitpicking about every single little thing and I just feel like this community is a toxic waste of shit
Jesus I hate everything about that show, especially the wibbly wobbly sound effect of the spore jump, the contra rotating saucer section and the entire ship spinning, causing lightning and appearing to fall...its too busy and just plain stupid.
@@rougestarlight4308 mourning the death of Star Trek. Also std is so monumentally stupid you just have to look and marvel that this was written by people who don't have intellectual disabilities (supposedly). Why are you here ?
Glaring series problems aside, I honestly don't mind the spore jump animation too much, it's a weird and unique FTL travel style that I haven't seen in sci-fi before. still I'm not really sure if using mushrooms for FTL makes any sense at all. maybe some hyper dimensional drive system would make more sense for the bizarre ghost image flipping, maybe the ship rotates on a 4th axis out of 3 dimensional space or something, at least that's a better explanation than "like, mushrooms man".
It operates under the idea of mushrooms connecting to each other, so what if they connected through the same space used for coms. Using it to travel seems a bit outlandish though
Can we have a video of Micheal Burnham catch phrase? "let's fly"? Lol imagine they having a star trek convention where all the captain is going to be... Now burnham is going on stage and she doesn't know who Sisko/Jane way is 😂😂 that would be hilarious 🤣🤣 Burnham hi I'm the first black female captain on star trek 😊 it's and amazing journey.. Being the lead, strong female and black now etc etc. Fans: Sisko is first Black captain Jane way first female captain Burnham: surprise pikachu face
@@Laneous14 well she did start the klingon war, did many thing which had many casualties and death.. So yea 😂😂 she basically plunge federation in a great war which cost alot of live.. But yea its Burnham
I rly dig the refit discovery. The design is much more covert and the neons and cool. Gunmetal look is sick and that saucer plates closing back after jump oof
could someone explain to me why uss discovery can meet with uss enterprise, voyager j, im little bit confuse, since uss discovery set before NCC 1701, did they travel forward in time?
I’m m not a fan of Discovery, but I don’t exactly see an issue with the spore jumping. They already established that they have that feature, so why would you ever even want to use warp?
@@jwC-zk3vd well the Mycelium network was damaged everytime the spore drive was used prior to stamets being able to control it. Without stamets or any other person capable of operating it there would be no way to operate it without harming the mycelium network (which would violate starfleet code). Not to mention the Discovery’s spore drive was a classified tool that was only available on one other ship and was used as a tactical weapon for the Klingon war. When the discovery traveled to the 32nd century, they took almost all knowledge of the spore drive with it. It was designed by stamets and another diseased scientist (blanking on his name). So without stamets there’s no one that really understands it enough to recreate it, and by the time we get to the Voyager’s time, there’s no one even alive that would even remember the spore drive
“Spinning is so much cooler than not spinning! I’m the general, I want it to spin!” - Stargate SG1
I see that you are a man of taste. Cheers, to SG-1! 👌
Good thinking actually OP, I'm just gonna rewatch SG1 again instead of finishing Discovery, lmao.
I've heard spinnings a good trick
Now _this…_ is podracing
I just finished sg1 last week lol. You really are a man of culture lol.
"For this new method of propulsion, we need something that spins round and round for whatever reason, how about the saucer section?"
"How about the whole ship?"
"Great idea!"
Why not both?
I think the spinning of the whole ship is just an effect seen from outside the ship, it doesn't seem to occur when viewed from within the ship...
@@ChrissonatorOFL I’m fairly sure that the bridge stays stationary during the jumps, whereas the (I think they’re called) drive dishes spin around it.
If that’s what you meant, of course
@@debillington9239 Well, the ship itself stays stationary, the saucer contains a system that does spin, but looking at a jump from inside the ship, the ship doesn't appear to spin completely like this...
Similar to how the warp jump from inside the Enteprise D wasn't the same as what we saw outside the ship when jumping to warp.
@@ChrissonatorOFL It’s weird. (Rhetorically) Is it inconsistent or intentional? Regardless it’s a really nice way of getting around won’t you say!
I remember unlocking the the Lorca Maneuver and Black Alert in Star Trek Online and it never got old seeing that special effect.
How do you get the uss discovery in star trek online?
@@kimrennard4840 it's in the Infinity Lock Boxes
"Commander, they're powering their spore drive" "Target the inertial Dampeners, we'll scrape them off the walls afterwards"
Me: Drop in Insta warp DROP!
*dropping*
*the ship Slows*
Good Those Dampers took it
Well I hate to do this when discovery jumps it doesn’t spin on the inside it just looks like that on the outside
@@danielwinkler5854 good
That happens to the Glenn, they show their twisted bodies. I hope we see it in the new season if they give more people spore drives
It still amazes me that people think the entire ship is spinning lol. They make it clear multiple times that its a illusion byproduct; unless yo uthink the ship is also duplicating and clipping into itself as well.. Might as well point out how the ship "stretches past integrity" in warp, at that logic🙄
"Intertial Dampers offline sir!"...Aaaaaaahhhh!
I wonder if that whole thing about hitting Hawking radiation and spinning out will ever come up again. I hope Discovery spins out, that would be hilarious.
I would say the spin is the representation in normal space of the ship entering the mycelial network; as we see in season 1 (or 2 - I don't remember) - the ship starts to spin before it is forcibly stopped to stay "in" the mycelial network
I like that little “clank” effect as it drops in.
me too!
Imagine if Voyager had spore drive they would have been home instantly
They were not woke enough
check out 'Alex Kurtzman Ruins Star Trek Voyager In 40 Seconds'
There's 3 videos from Grin that are compiled from your comment, search Janeway and spore drive. Pretty hilarious 😆
They could have made a spore drive but would have had no navigator like stamets with tardigrade dna
Thats what everyone forgets
And the spore drive was officially to starfleet command a huge fail because they think it blew up discovery and admiral cornwell
@@No773.6 stop trying to make it seem like this show explains anything...
Let's try spinning, that's a good trick.
Hey that's what I wanted to comment!
@@kenopyowo It's kind of silly that it spins.
The spin may not actually be the ship spinning, but space around the ship being twisted.
@@fillemptytummy The spore doesn't just spin the ship, but also the storyline!
Literally half the people who see the spore jump:
"Jesus Christ where the fuck did that god damn ship disappear to?"
"GOODNESS WHEN DID THAT GET THERE"
I love how they went through the trouble of putting fancy new warp nacelles on the ship only for them to never use them
Eh well the warp part would only be useful if the spire drive was down. As for the manoeuvrability and better engine performance you can’t go too wrong. Hell take a look at the P-51D and P-51H. The D was a capable long range fighter but was not as fast as early Me-262s, the P-51H was introduced too late but would have been competitive in a dive with a jet. The difference in the two being avionics and engines.
They are so obsessed with blue
What's wrong with blue
@@JK-gp2rh Some shots only have two colors, black and blue. It looks ugly IMO, especially compared to earlier Star Trek
@ but blue is my favorite color
@@JK-gp2rh I like blue too but when it's overdone and it's always super bright it makes the show look fake
Blue keeps the ship cool. It'd overheat if it was yellow.
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND, BABY RIGHT ROUND LIKE A RECORD, BABY RIGHT ROUND ROUND ROUND!!!!!
😂
The visual effects have improved so much since season 1. I love these shots.
me too, ST-D is amazing
As someone who thought the spinning animation was stupid, I've now come to realise - thanks to you uploading this video - that the sound is far worse than the animation. Sounds like windscreen wipers.....
LIKE A CARTOON IN BUGS BUNNY.
Worse was last jump with TOS theme. That's forshadowing that they are out of money and season 4 literally will be like TOS because of it. If they were creative or imaginative than they could have made something good....
It's just another rip-off Transformers sound effect that Abrams stole from Bay.
flashy lights, fancy sounds...all that is needed to fool the simpletons into thinking it is a good show. Trek used to be for people with a brain. Now it has the vegetables praising it. They are to stupid to see the plot holes, retcons, how goofy the makeup and some of the characters are...lots of action and drama is all they need to occupy them.
@@Laneous14 Both very ingenious sound designers, Abrams and Bay
I like that Discovery literally drops in and out of reality
0:46 the sick scene
They must have really liked those distance shots at that angle when the the ship... uh... 'shrooms' in?
Why does it sound like the flying cars in the Jetsons?
They have stolen from everything else so why not.
Of course theres gonna be flashy colours and trippy spinning. The thing runs on shrooms after all
Feels like perfect moment to mock your enemies while using spore drive to jump random directions from side-to-side to confuse him or doing ninja ambushes 🤣
Lol
Isn't that what they did in season 1 the ended up in the mirror universe?
The enemy: where the hell are you going?
@@toysmostwanted Which episode??
"I'll try spinning. That's a good trick."
What if they have the high ground?
Discovery was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, taking place ten years in the past. Yet for some reason, the tech in Discovery (along with the visuals) looks super advance (and really appealing, for the visuals). The same goes for the starships in Discovery. That's something you only see in the first six Star Trek films and TNG, DS9, and Voyager era.
Thats why it's an inconsistent mess of a show
Not really
Well in this particular case they did travel into the future and got a retrofit
Look the initial first season and subsequently the entire series is not just set 10 years prior. It's in a slightly alt universe. And if this is not believable then what about when they jumped back from the disc. Mirror uni.? There is bound to be some mistakes when you have a ship with a displacement activated spore hub drive that can literally jump through the MULTIVERSE AND SEPRATE TIMELINES, AND FORWARD AND BACKWARD THROUGH TIME.
@@Noctintrus the spore drive is a testament to weak sauce writing. The whole premise blows and shits all over the Star Trek mythology ten times over. That's part of why hardened fans left in droves.
Wait a sec... so after the refit every time before a spore-jump or going to Warp they reconnect/reattach (whatever) the nacelles with the secondary hull. Then why on earth are the nacelles separate from the hull, what is/was the point of them being detachable? It doesn't serve any purpose except being a (stupid) gimmick.
it makes them more maneuverable in flight. Also, i assume it has something to do with variable warp geometry.
@@dark_ops1651 If the nacelles have to attach for them to go to Warp, variable geometry is not it.
Now COLLAPSIBLE nacelles would have been cool. Like, nanites or something (from that nanite planet Wesley created way back when he let 2 medical nanites play together and it almost ate the ship?) where the nacelles form out of the hull. I mean everyone would whine about them stealing that from Ironman but whatever. At least there'd be something vaguely plausible.
Or maybe they could have just shrunk down like an accordion, then prior so warp they stretch out. Though that's pretty dumb too. In TNG era they had ships with tiny little warp nacelles (Defiant/Voyager) so, well, the massive long, vulnerable things that aren't even bloody attached properly are super dated.
@@shawarden shit I didn't realize they attached for warp, I thought it was just a spore drive thing :/ Apart from impulse flight, I guess it just looks cool...?
@@dark_ops1651 I kind of wonder how they would be more manouverable with detached nacelles. What makes it so different? All it seems to do is make the ship a little bit wider. Bit weird that future starfleet would want to refit a 900 year old design aswell. It would be kind of like us adding new tech, engines and stuff to a ship from the 1100s, or are they implying that Starfleet has been living in the dark ages since 2379. I mean, Star Trek Picard looks more outdated than TNG to be honest.
@@Dumlen Disco's original warp engine and Nacelle design would have conflicted with subspace emissions laws in place from 24th century onwards (yes they're a thing, from TNG). It's why Voyagers Nacelles were mechanically variable. Yall would have complained if it was mechanical like the Intrepid so they went with something a bit more fantastical.
Controversial opinion, I like the spore drive. I just think they couldve and shouldve made it less overpowered and made its lore better. I love the idea of the burn and the discovery having an alternative FTL travel.
Friendly reminder that we find out early in season 2 the Spore Drive essentially runs on genocide, and is devastating the reality through which it shortcuts with every jump. Now they're planning to build them into the whole fleet. They could be making safer quantum slipstream capable ships instead, if they weren't too preoccupied with building their ships as hideous as possible.
I think they said it was the Doctor's spirit in the spore dimension that was causing the chaos there . his spirit entered it through stemet's tears while they were jumping and was living there causing damage to them . so when they extracted him through a biological transporter it solved the problem. and he got a brand new body , with no body hair except head hair
They were too preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should.
A spore drive in a normal everyday sci-fi show would be interesting. In Star Trek, it's fucking stupid. The way these people's world build I won't even let them build a jam and cream sponge.
I agree. Its a shame because the idea has poteninal, but we don't need it here, warp drive has served us well since the '60s. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it :=)
@@jaymartin8273 It hasn't served us well. Usually they just say, "we'll be there in a few hours." Then it just skips to a few hours later. "We're here Captain." Pointless.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx Perhaps not, but the spore drive is too advanced, its too much of a deus ex machina, a quick fix for lazy writers
@@jaymartin8273 It's no different to warp. How many times do they just "warp outta there." Both systems have their limits and drawbacks.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx Yes of course they do, but I still can't shake the feeling that the spore drive was thrown in for the sake of being 'cool' with little thought over how it would affect canon. This is why I don't like prequels
I hate how people just blindly follow each other in hating on this. There is nothing wrong with this. The spore jumps are awesome, and so is the sound design. I bet most of the people in the comments section that just blindly say how bad it is haven't even watched the show.
Right on brother
The Discovery Refit looks like it's suppose to be in TRON: Legacy.
If only they copied the 'programmable matter" idea from Tron Legacy too. Instead we get that... that thing in the magic floating computer room that almost ate Burnham. WTAF!
Internally that is 1000% true.
@@shawarden almost. Shame it didn't succeed.
The warp jump looks fucking sick.
True
But at 0:45 is the most sickest scene in the entire movie
I like Discovery's new upgraded look.
0:10 Why are Saturn's rings so dark? They're about as bright as the planet itself.
Different, totally original planet they made up called... Slaturn.
Because they are in the grimdark future where even the planets are edgy and brooding.
yeah, that's Emo-Saturn
Discover crew just before the last clip:
Wait, we had warp drive?
When it's jumping, it does look like it's overlapping itself during rotation, much like a tesseract in 3D space. Perhaps indicating a transition to a higher dimension, a sub-dimension that connects the under-space mycelial network and our dimension.
Ahh one of the most op and usefull techs out there...used on one ship with apparently no real efforts to reproduce it, spelling certain disaster if it were to ever fall into the wrong hands.
Immagine what would happen if the borg were to get their hands on a jumpdrive functioning in the whole galaxy, complete assimilation within months after it makes the rounds
Seems a good a reason as any to not replicate it
@@thod8820 seems like a good reason to not ever let the ship outside your most fortified areas.
@@dodojesus4529 what, like the Bismarck? Lol
@@FlinnGaidin (didn't get a notif of your comment(
Well this is a bit different as the bismark was intended to fight and pretty much only usefull for that.
The sporedrive however is a technological jewel leagues above anything avaible to anyone the fed knows about.
So unless you find out how to reproduce it and install a self destruct should the ship ever fall into the wrong hands letting it out of fortified areas is dumb.
these presequisits have to be given before the discovery is allowed to move out.
Edit: jesus christ how did i fuck up at writing there
@@dodojesus4529 pretty much.
The show isn't too high on such logical thought, though.
Actually, watching this video I realized STD is pretty good show.. If you cut out all the unbearable characters and all the nonsensical plot. My man, you actually fixed the entire show, well done.
0:49 is my favorite because you can see the nacelles detach after it "lands" back in space. :3
I love that the art director on this:
“Make it spin and then drop down, both on the Y axis.”
“Y-axi-… okay but like drop spatially in a non-Euclidean way?”
“No…down on the Y-axis relative to the camera.”
“But wh-“
“Down…the Y… axis.”
“But-“
“Kurtzman this guy doesn’t get Our Trek get him out of here.”
DID YOU KNOW: The spinning of The Discovery during it's spore jumps was implemented as a nod to Gene Roddenberry rolling in his grave when his vision of the future was ruined by some talentless hack.
best comment ever.
Roddenberry rolls in his grave when people who call themselves fans of a franchise about new technologies, exploration, and open mindedness complain about a show with new technologies, exploration, and open mindedness.
@@nefariousarcher2484 I wanted Discovery to do well, I really did, but the writing is absolute shite, and all the new technology is being actively weaponised by Starfleet in Discovery, not when necessary like in the old Trek. Starfleet officers aren't petty children who call their subordinates idiots, or swear at their superiors except in Discovery. That's why Discovery feels soulless to me.
Nah, he rolls in his grave when he sees fans like you
@@rougestarlight4308 Not funny, didn't laugh
Majestic.
My head cannon to why it doesn’t appear again is because that the spore drive was banned for A: Expiring after a while, making the entire ship useless, and B: it gave the crew extreme motion sickness.
They already gave an answer in season 2 and then they did not use it for whatever reason. There was an Episode where it was stated that the spore drive damaged the mushroom Dimension. I thought that would be the answer, that they will stop using the spore drive after that and that they cannot use it to bring Voyager home.
But no, Starfleet classified it, and the Discovery continued to use it all the time in the 32th century. So Starfleet had the technology all the time to bring Voyager home, or win the Dominion war much more easily, but still decided to not use the technology. Stupidest answer ever.
Why didnt the writers of the Show did not stick with the solution that the spore drive is harmful to the mushroom network. I dont get it.
@@paulanerruhrpott6188 I'm sorry, the MUSHROOM DIMENSION??
@@wehavecookies5395
The "mycelial network" a.k.a the mushroom dimension which Discovery uses for its spore drive.
I always have to gooogle the term before i remember it, therefore i use a simpler one.
@@paulanerruhrpott6188 Ah
It looks so stupid...
Yeah, but I always thought the 1979 onward movie Warp drive becoming a blueshift jump speed lines looked cartoonist.
The warp drive now is just ILM Star Wars hyperdrive effects from the 80s. The JJ movies made it more like Babylon 5 meets Doctor Who.
I just liked the subtlety of TOS since the writers were going to have lasers at warp, interactions with sublight vessels at warp, Warp maneuvers like supersonic bombers. The effects made it easier for the viewer to simply accept the mistakes in physics the writers still shove onto the screen.
I expect Goofy to go, "Wahhhh-haa-haa-hooooeeeeyyyyyyy!" at the end of that sound effect.
You know Kurtzman is just trolling fans when he adds those ridiculous soundbites
NOw hear me out: imagine this level of f/x but with talented screenwriters?
Or just split the budget into fifths and give the money to five different teams and I promise you'll end up with at least 3 better shows than this.
MAN do you REALISE how long i've been waiting for someone to compile most if not all of the spore jumps in STD? Im not a fan of the plot but i assure you the VFX is OUTSTANDING!
P.S. why does it "jump" down in the relative sense to the camera? I say relative as saying down can mean up for someone else
It's basically lipstick on a turd. but yes the VFX are amazing, too bad the story is garbage
The effects are great but the spin is horrendously retarded looking, same with the sound effects.
@@general_prodigy The spore drive's technology allows STD to use the power of your television to go from the bottom of the screen and to the top of the screen. So while they could have bent space (like making two points on a piece of paper touch by folding the paper), it is more efficient to jump from the bottom of the screen to the top of the screen. Since it doesn't even involve any folding. And since it's so efficient, they added a little silly pirouette because they could.
It sounds like transformers.
Even a Holly Hop-drive is more convincing... :P
I wonder if they had a contest for six and under kids and that’s how they come up with everything for Discovery
I wonder what happens if you jump to warp speed and then spore jump at the same time?
They did it in season 1
@@NitpickingNerd hi !
@@NitpickingNerd no it think season 2
Terralysium episode
@@NitpickingNerd You mean when they tried to escape from the mirror universe? They weren't at warp, they "rided the wave" from the explosion of the charon and spore jumped....
@@noizW no . in season 1 episode 9 they were at warp and then spore jumped back to the planet with the chrystals while at warp
3 seasons of watching the "highlights" on youtube and it still looks and sounds like the effect it pulled from a loony tunes cartoon or budget production
other than the lightining effect, the lightning would make for a decent point defence system effect
I'd still hate to get caught on the toilet when black alert is called
"Make it have lightning, and then spin it....and make it warp vertically...and...and...what other 3D plugins can we use?"
You should add Three Stooges Curley ‘wooo woo wooo’ as the sound effect. This is what the spore drive jump sounds to me.
That stupid spore jump sound
Like gerbils flying off a wheel.
Henceforth, spore-jumping and warping with an open shuttlebay constantly was labeled as the "Burnham-Maneuver".
"I'll try spinning. That's a good trick." - The Phantom Menace
00:00 USS Discovery
00:44 USS Discovery-A
Anyone else get that 80's tune in their head? "You spin me right round baby right round..."
Somehow, I feel like Cell from DBZ:Abridged, when Goku pops in and out again... "WHAT?! HOW?! WHY?!"
there is one Warp Jump that they do which sounds exactly like when they Spore Jump
when they knocked discovery out of warp in the finale yeah
It will be incredible when humanity manages to create the warp ship by curvature of space.! 🤩💥🔥
If I read someone in the future writing of iconic spore jumps, I am going to laugh my ass off no matter where I am.
These are iconic spore jumps.
the crew must have had a pretty tough stomach to deal with the impact of spore drive🤢🤢
When they completely broke the Star Trek universe just to use some flashy graphics and stupid sound effects.
The Spore Drive makes them completely overpowered. Where is the tension resulting from a chase, with engines being pushed to the limit?
@@capuchinhelper The engineer exclaiming to the captain "I cannae get anymore power, captain!" before squeezing that extra bit of power to save the day?
Welcome to modern TV. Thank goodness the mandalorian isn’t overly flashy.
Apparently they couldn’t stand waiting for the ship to get to its destination and using that time to have the characters develop and analyze the plot and do some character development.
@@kjordan2001 Honestly, I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, there's plenty of times throughout Star Trek where travel time is skipped entirely, cuts to a different scene, that kind of thing. On the other hand, think of how much has happened in those intervals throughout the series as well.
Kurtzman CGI looks older than TNGs
*When they want to "jump" the code for all crew is "Black Alert". They use this advanced technology from the spores that are full in the universe, but all tribes, nations and entities don't know about it, except humans who know about it, including all the USS Discovery crew.*
This technology was discovered during the USS Discovery. At that time all space ship used dilithium for warp speed. Dilithium is used by nearly all space ship to running with light speed.
But the USS Discovery finally shot 950 years into the future. Even in the future, no one knows about this technology. In that future, sadly, The United Federation of Planets no longer exists, because there was a huge explosion known as "The Burn" which destroyed thousands of spaceships from all nations that used dilithium at the same time, all star ship on the galaxy were gone. Exploded. Vanish!
But then dilithium was still sought after because it was the only warp tool that could be used and was very, very rare, and the price was very high. USS Discovery investigates what caused The Burn and finds a dilithium-rich planet that is much sought after in all galaxies.
With the USS Discovery, the remnants of The United Federation of Planets in the future then offered dilithium to all nations and invited them to form The United Federation of Planets again.With the USS Discovery and this advance "Spore Jump" technology, The United Federation of Planets began to be re-formed, again.
I appreciate the suffering you go through. I cant anymore. Your very short videos are literally all I can deal with. Hurts so much what they've done.
Am I the only one that finds the warp cool?
No you're not
Heck no! U.S.S. Discovery is AMAZING. We're just surrounded by a small yet extremely vocal minority with a megaphone and pitch forks. DSC revived Star Trek and was successfully enough to jump start Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks & Picard. It's a winning formula and the *majority* of Trek Fans love it. It's NOT perfect but neither were any Trek series before it.
@@peppercallahan8286 I have never seen the old shows. I have watched the Abrams movies and Discovery thats it. And I really like star trek. Im just afraid of diving deeper into it because I see so many Star trek fans just complaining and bitching and nitpicking about every single little thing and I just feel like this community is a toxic waste of shit
Spinning isn't Always a Good Trick.
best warp ever
Why does that thing spin round?
I’ll try spinning!! That’s a good trick!
Voyager and Delta quadrant-so much speed in spore drive-teleportation
Let’s jump! ♥️
I think it’s a pretty cool effect
Jesus I hate everything about that show, especially the wibbly wobbly sound effect of the spore jump, the contra rotating saucer section and the entire ship spinning, causing lightning and appearing to fall...its too busy and just plain stupid.
the fall affect makes it look like a video came, so does the sound effect. Really bizarre choice.
Sorry that you don't like cool things. Stay in the 80s if you prefer.
Then why are you here?
@@rougestarlight4308 mourning the death of Star Trek.
Also std is so monumentally stupid you just have to look and marvel that this was written by people who don't have intellectual disabilities (supposedly).
Why are you here ?
They somehow managed to make an effect that looks even worse than the ToS warp..
Glaring series problems aside, I honestly don't mind the spore jump animation too much, it's a weird and unique FTL travel style that I haven't seen in sci-fi before. still I'm not really sure if using mushrooms for FTL makes any sense at all. maybe some hyper dimensional drive system would make more sense for the bizarre ghost image flipping, maybe the ship rotates on a 4th axis out of 3 dimensional space or something, at least that's a better explanation than "like, mushrooms man".
It operates under the idea of mushrooms connecting to each other, so what if they connected through the same space used for coms. Using it to travel seems a bit outlandish though
Young Alex Kurtzman: I'll try spinning, that's a good trick
It must be really dizzying for the people in the outer saucer section.
Did you see that the CGI model of Discovery at 0:22 is lacking the "USS Discvovery" registry and number?
Can we have a video of Micheal Burnham catch phrase?
"let's fly"?
Lol imagine they having a star trek convention where all the captain is going to be... Now burnham is going on stage and she doesn't know who Sisko/Jane way is 😂😂 that would be hilarious 🤣🤣
Burnham hi I'm the first black female captain on star trek 😊 it's and amazing journey.. Being the lead, strong female and black now etc etc.
Fans: Sisko is first Black captain Jane way first female captain
Burnham: surprise pikachu face
They couldn’t use “fly safe” as the EVE players would get annoyed that they stole that from EVE online
Pretty sure Burnham's catchphrase is 'let's murder some fucking fucks'.
@@Laneous14 well she did start the klingon war, did many thing which had many casualties and death.. So yea 😂😂 she basically plunge federation in a great war which cost alot of live.. But yea its Burnham
I wonder whether you could put classic tos with a spore drive by using ai with Spock's voice
I rly dig the refit discovery. The design is much more covert and the neons and cool. Gunmetal look is sick and that saucer plates closing back after jump oof
Jump to Nivar was the best
I want too see compilation of all crying from STD lol ... but it would be like 1hour or even more
*Yeah uh careful on the Jump there's an idiot here*
could someone explain to me why uss discovery can meet with uss enterprise, voyager j, im little bit confuse, since uss discovery set before NCC 1701, did they travel forward in time?
not the same universe as the Voyager series
@@rougestarlight4308 thats clearing my confusion a little bit. trying to like discovery but i just cant. tks anyway
Yes at the end of the second season they traveled 930 years into the future
I just noticed why the hell are the nacelles not attached to the ship? What purpose does that serve!?
Apparently to add maneuverability...in space !
When I'm drunk and close my eyes, this is what it feels like
The saucer section spins, the warp effect is a spin... So the ship is a gigantic fidget spinner?
It looks great!
I’m m not a fan of Discovery, but I don’t exactly see an issue with the spore jumping. They already established that they have that feature, so why would you ever even want to use warp?
Where was this technology when Voyager was stuck in the Delta Quadrant?
@@jwC-zk3vd well the Mycelium network was damaged everytime the spore drive was used prior to stamets being able to control it. Without stamets or any other person capable of operating it there would be no way to operate it without harming the mycelium network (which would violate starfleet code). Not to mention the Discovery’s spore drive was a classified tool that was only available on one other ship and was used as a tactical weapon for the Klingon war. When the discovery traveled to the 32nd century, they took almost all knowledge of the spore drive with it. It was designed by stamets and another diseased scientist (blanking on his name). So without stamets there’s no one that really understands it enough to recreate it, and by the time we get to the Voyager’s time, there’s no one even alive that would even remember the spore drive
@@jwC-zk3vd not the same universe
They seem to do a lot of jumps in Season 3.
Well you can be flowed at warp and steal all of that pure dilithum and jumping is the safest way
Not sure I fully understand spore jumping but is this creating your own space gate
that spinning is so damn ridiculous
Star Trek has always been like that
The giggle drive in s4.
It's so...Event Horizon...and not in the best way, but it's mildly acceptable.
Why does it alway goes down, and never any other direction, espdcially as theres no overall gravity effect in space?
Or fold in on itself or something.
I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick!
It pretty neat actually
I'm immensely critical of the show....but I realy like the spore drive concept....yeah including the Spin!
At least they could have made it make the noise of when you pick up ammo in any Valve game when they spawn the ship's model in another scene
ur channel guides me,