I love the literal half screen cutaway view, but I must admit I miss the full deck layouts. Those communicate the size of the ships much better. Your video about Galaxy and NX-01 which has them is amazing, it explains very well how and why the inside looks basically like a huge office building interior.
@@Halfscreen I loved them. I have them on my shelf till this day. The creators behind the scenes - Sternbach, the Okudas have given much thought about minute details for each ship.
I AM GLAD I FOUND THIS BREAK DOWN OF THE DISCOVERY SHIP I REALLY REALLY LOVE ITS DESIGN AND HOW FUTURISTIC IT IS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE FLEET! Each ship in Starfleet is ESSENTIALLY ITS OWN PLANET‼️‼️ SO ITS EASY TO SEE HOW IT COULD NEVER BE KNOWN BY OTHER MAINSTREAM SHIPS!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ART WORK!! Bravo!!
One thing to clarify: the two rings on the saucer section don’t rotate (look at the deck windows on the edges when the ship is getting ready to jump; they stay where they are), just the top and bottom surfaces.
I'd say it's more realistic, than whatever was shown in that one turbo lift scene. It's looks like something extrapolated from TNG manuals. I will convince myself that the turbo lift scene happened during a time, when it was still going trough upgrades and the interior was cleared. One line of dialogue could have actually fixed that.
Looking at the saucer section of the Discovery where it's split into 2 parts reminds me of the saucer section of the Vengeance Class Dreadnaught from Star Trek:Into Darkness.
I wish they stayed with the original design with shorter , swept forward nacelles, and boxier secondary hull. I really liked it. Oh well. Keep up the great channel and videos!!!
@@Halfscreen Or they had total disregard for half a century of world building and little respect for an entire fleet of ships that had come before. It's one thing to break canon, this was firing upon it with a canon. But, hey, SS was finally forced into diversity having shunned it for so long.
You're mixing the 22nd and 32nd century tech here. I suggest doing a separate video on the 32nd Centrury Discovery as programmable matter from that Century's tech.
3:00 Great comparison and excellent video. So many people gripe about the newer ships don’t fit with cannon design. Counterpoint: airplanes/ships. All different designs, power systems, function, and form. Built in different eras by different interplanetary designers and teams. Of course every single era will be different. Of course there are Oberth classes around over 200 years. Those wooden sailing ships still can sail and original bi planes still fly.
hi, love your videos. i wrote for discovery and they retconed the size of the enterprise / constitution class, to make it larger. this was because the canonical size of the constitution class didn't allow for realistic / accurate internal modeling and window size, whereas on disco they had 3d renders of each ship, and the curve of the hallways and size of the windows actually matched the ship's shape, allowed for 3d zoom ins from space into windows, etc. according to the blueprints i have from my time there, disco / crossfields are 746.3' wide and 2462.4' long, which is close to yours, tho mine might be width at saucer and not nacelles. and the enterprise is 660" wide and 1575" long, which is considerably larger than the canonical dimensions pre-disco and is closer in size to the crossfields. and the ISS charon was a whopping 31549.3 feet long.
newer trek shows seem to put less effort into the ships, which is weird given how the fanbase has always been obsessed with the ships and how they work. That being said, I don't see why the discovery itself has been so hated. I think it's a gorgeous ship, and when people say it doesn't look like a Star Trek ship, I don't understand, because it's literally based on a 1970s concept for the refit enterprise. I think where it really falls apart is with the background or side character ships. why are there so few closeup shots of new designs? that's part of the fun of trek. the Zheng-he is one of the ugliest and most unfinished ships I've seen in the series outside of kit bashes.
As a designer, I don't have a issue with the design, if anything, I kind of like it for its unique design , but you have a valid point. Newer ship schematics are very basic and not as details as older generation vessels.
@@josephtracey4411 It sucks because it tried too hard to make Star Trek woke when, in fact, Star Trek has never been asleep. Star Trek has always included diverse characters, human and otherwise, and had done so as a matter of fact, respectfully, and not to pander. Nichelle didn't pander, Uhura was written and acted as a respected and valued member of the bridge crew and that is how the viewing audience accepted her. It was only political in Hollywood. Even the "notorious" kiss between Kirk and Uhura was completely accepted by the American audience, it was only a controversy in Hollywood behind the scenes. It's not the viewers that need to be preached at by woke Hollywood, it's woke Hollywood who needs to accept they are not morally better than us. And I am saying this as a gay person, Discovery was pandering and a disgrace. They used gay characters as political pawns to try to shame a viewership that doesn't deserve shaming. Hollywood needs to clean their own houses before telling the rest of America to clean ours; It is them who refused to be inclusive for decades, it was Hollywood who allowed Harvey Weinstein to prey on women, they have no business telling us we are the bigots when they have time and again proven themselves to be just that.
There's a little bit of an issue with a sort of visual reboot. Discovery, being so much bigger than other ships, and looking so much more futuristic, clashes quite starkly with a lot of what we'd been shown. I'm not suggesting that it should look like the 1960s sets, but quite a lot of people felt that there wasn't much effort at making it part of the same universe. The design isn't bad, but it felt a bit like long term fans were told to shut up and that what came before didn't matter.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich yes! It’s a gorgeous ship, it could even fit an unexplored time period really well, but it was placed right in the middle of kirk’s life. Ironically, the show did end up putting it an unexplored era, the 32nd century
Not much a fan of ST Discovery but I still like Star Trek in general. Also, very informative video. I was looking forward on the 'spinning disc' but I guess there's not much info on that. Could you do the USS Cerritos from Lower Decks? That is currently my favorite Star Trek series.
My own personal head canon about the cross field class, is that the central sphere was actually the same as the dadelus class ships sphere section. Same manufacturing different application.
Makes perfect sense given the ship height quoted here. Unfortunately for my brain that height being correct would make the ship about the size of a Sovereign class, which seems a tad insane... I was sort of picturing Discovery as being vaguely Excelsior-sized, and hoping to have my bias confirmed here. It has not been. :P
It would be nice if we could see one on the Excelsior Refit Class Enterprise B and one on the Sovereign Class Enterprise E as we've already seen the ones on the T.O.S. Enterprise and the Galaxy Class Enterprise D and the Ambassador Class Enterprise C.
Nice presentation. I will say that the interior or the Discovery what we saw on screen is just all sorts of messed up. Especially the turbolift system. For the overall design of the ship it hasn't been one I've cared for very much.
Totally agree. I was lucky enough to find enough of the schematic to make the 3D model, which was only based on 2 drawings, hence, why I only model the cross-section only, and not the deck-to-deck like usual.
Agreed. I’m fairly sure the turbolift system is in an extradimensional space (which helps with freeing up space inside the ship that might otherwise have been dedicated to turbolift shafts, but at the cost of a turbolift potentially needing to travel a couple of miles when the real distance is a few hundred feet).
Nice to see it explained why the empty space and rotating saucer sections. This wasn't a ship with a propulsion system added like warp nacels , it was an entire propulsion system, with a ship built around it. Makes discovery an entire engineering marvel having to dedicate the outer saucer section to run the spore drive.
The canon reason for the spinning is to create centripetal force to stabilize the ship during a spore jump. I assume it makes sense because I doubt normal RCA thrusters would be fast enough to stabilize the ship if needed for a jump as fast as that.
The whole ring does, the entire saucer doesn’t, according to a designer the decision was that is essentially what tears the fabric between normal space and the network
@@samwalker8893 the ring rotates only on the original Discovery. With the refit the ring stays in its place and only the top and bottom hull "plating" rotating, because of the programmable matter.
@@talos86 If you look at the scenes with the rotation happening, only the hull plating rotates. The windows on the inner and outer walls of the ring stay static.
How does the elevator fight will be explained? the scene where the elevator open flys through Discovery which is almost empty with enough space to park the USS Defiant inside??? Was Season 2 or 3....
And looking at the view screen of the Discovery reminds me of the view screen of the J.J. Abrams Enterprise where it looks like an oversized viewport and you can see the ships name and registry number on the hull outside.
The spore drive is a AMAZING concept for a engine Near instant travel However i suspect there can be a few counters to it One It needs a mycelium network(Easy to find in star trek hard to find anywhere else) Two: its INCREDIBLY straining on the Navigator requiring either a biomechanical computer or a willingness volunteer Three: I suspect longer jumps use more spores at once and require replacement spores to go further It also must heat the systems MASSIVELY! Finally With the DASHER drive or Displacement Activated Spore Hub Energy Rifter drive? It can do much more
You should talk to the Minetrek and TrekCraft builders about the interior of this ship. Especially CreepyRobot as he has build many version of this ship with full interiors.
This is amazing work!!! Love all your stuff! Would love to to see a deck-by-deck floor plan of Discovery someday 😍 I know that’s a lot of work though haha 😅
So much doesn't compute with these spinning discs. You can think of all sorts of functionality making sure the crew doesn't experience some weird effects, but still. What about people moving between rings? Does artificial gravity work everything going so fast? When they make a sudden tight corner you do see it having effect on the crew. So I guess this would too. Black alert you say, well that is too short sometimes for the crew to get into safe positions. On topic: another nice video!
I’m still not clear on why the ship needed to go into the future. The first season established the Discovery can spore-jump anywhere in the universe it wants and can even go to another universe instead (with the implication that all universes were accessible as well). So given the ability to park the Discovery 50 galactic diameters away in any direction they pick (a distance the Section 31 ships would never be able to reach before running out of fuel and/or dilithium), why was “go to the future” their only option?
It is all to do with the Sphere data they collected in the episode 'An Obol for Charon' where the Sphere that was around 100,000 years old containing information so valuable and complex, so some back story first, at some point in the future a system known as 'Control' made by Starfleet, is an AI that was meant to be made to do threat analysis for Section 31. Long story short at some point Control becomes self aware and takes over Lieutenant Commander Airiam and attempts to give Control information about AI gathered by the Sphere. Control can use this information to literally wipe out all life within the known Galaxy and the crew of the USS Discovery decides the information contained within the Sphere can not be allowed in the hands of Control OR anything similar so they decided to delete the Data, this fails due to the Sphere data being aware of itself and takes measures to stop the deletion for self preservation. Next idea was to blow up Discovery in order to obliterate the Data instead, so the whole crew was transfered over to the USS Enterprise which attempts to destroy Discovery, only to find the Sphere Data took over certain parts of the ship and raised shields to protect itself. It was concluded they could not transfer, delete or destroy the Sphere Data so they had to keep it away from Control to prevent it from coming back in time to collect the data and wipe out all life hence take the ship beyond Controls reach which in this case was 900 years in the future since no were in the Galaxy is safe. Now to address why going to the future was the only option is 1. The Spore Drive CAN NOT travel across the universe, only the Galaxy at this point in time due to Stamets saying when reaching the outer edges of the Galaxy the mycelial network begins to thin out when reaching the Galactic barrier which is why they could not jump outside the Galaxy to locate species 10c. So it would appear that the mycelial network only exists within the Galaxy or Galaxies but not the space inbetween. 2. Another universe. Although this is possible it is not in no way RECOMMENDED, when Stamets did that the first time he went into a somewhat vegetated state and was half stuck in the mycelial network, plus he was not able to fully navigate through it causing them to arrive back 10 months later, meaning he may not be fully in control as to which universe they may end up in, and for all we know they will end up in one that is run by Klingons or even Control so not really an option. However option 3. With Time travel this serves two purposes, it not only means they will be out of reach of Control to prevent it from optaining the info and not know where Discovery has gone, it always means when they go to the future and detect lifesigns they know their mission to travel into the future has worked in stopping Control. Hopefully this helps haha
That would be cool. I would imagine it would be a lot easier with the film version. And if it's the TV series you're after, would probably best wait until the show has finished before they unveil any more previously unmentioned carnival cars, lol.
@@Halfscreen yeah i think that's where it fell short , I remember waiting patiently to see main engineering through out season one but they never made clear if that room with the spore chamber was engineering or not. I love diving in to the schematics of starships so it was a shame they didn't flesh it out more. Again you did a great job of doing that 🖖🏻
I love these videos. The USS Discovery and her spore drive was way too ahead of her time, and in hindsight, it really shouldn't be a surprise the ship would fit relatively easy into a post-Burn 32nd-Century. Had spore drive remained in the 23rd-Century, it would have changed history--either for the better or the worse.
I agree! She was way ahead of her time. Not only is it good that she jumped into the 32nd Century to escape control, but Discovery was also a threat to the entire Alpha Quadrant if she fell into Klingon hands.
I completely agree. The Spore Drive seems like it would come way later in Trek. Post-Voyager. Possibly a Star Trek:Picard-era achievement. I'm writing a Trek-flavored campaign for my D&D gaming group, and in my Trek narrative, the Spore Drive is discovered in 2388 by accident, and not put into full operation until 2392. And the Discovery-era Starfleet is a 2390s aesthetic, with a few modifications.
awesome work on the explanation of this ship, dislike the ship is an understatement, liked the show till it went into the 32 century, thought the time traveling suit was a joke, the burn was ridiculous, your presentation was a powerhouse of good information, well done
I believe that the photon torpedo launchers aren't located in the nacelles. There are some theories about it. Some say that clip was an accidental mistake.
Janeway when she returned from the Delta Quadrant: Wait ...what??? Spore drive..? : Starfleet: uHmmm... yea... So sorry about that.. its a hush hush secret..
Whenever I see the USS Discovery, I can't help but mentally angle those pylon/secondary hull sections upwards till they were in line with the primary hull. It wouldn't be very much of a change and it would have accents of the Ralph McQuarrie design and would thusly pay tribute to that Legend.
"Hey, let's not only COVER the most important and vulnerable parts of the ship with breakable glass, but connect it to the rest of the ship with four tiiiiny little strut corridors and a slender, easily severed neck that could each be taken out by any small explosion or minor accident, causing the main living and working area ring of the ship to go flying off into space and leaving whatever survivors there might be stranded without any form of FTL!" -An actual Starfleet Engineer apparently. Seriously. There is no excuse for the massive dead space gaps in the disc section of the Discovery. Even if spinning is part of the Spore Drive, the main disc can still be a structurally sound, hard to cripple solid disc with the drive parts inside that spins and won't fly off the heckin' ship the first time something damages it significantly.
Without going deck by deck it is slightly harder to appreciate the scale of the ship. I'm a little saddened that you didn't try to poke holes in the ridiculous interior/ interstitial shots we have had of the turbolift system, or worse the TARDIS-like infinite void of Season 3 which made the interior of the secondary hull easily a few Km in length.
I'm not sure if anyone answered this, but what is the deal with the huge open interior where the turbolifts fly around attached to nothing like you see in the last couple of episodes of the third season where Michael and Book are getting into fights with the syndicate lackeys. It looks like the entire interior of the ship is hollow and important stations are in "pods" that are accessed with the flying turbolifts. Even with the size of the ship, the absolutely enormous interior with nothing but open space in it and unattached turbolifts seems a little too much, especially when looking at this cutaway. I also looked back in the earlier episodes before the time jump and that huge interior was there too. It wasn't a 32nd Century super technology upgrade. That kind of pushes my suspension of disbelief to the extreme. Anyone have an explanation, I'd like to know.
You forgot the Turbolifts. 90% of Discoverys interior must consist of Turbolifts. Or the ship is like Tardis: Bigger on the inside than from the outside.
@@Halfscreen I know, I was being facetious. The new Star Trek shows aren't interested in technical details or consistency at all, so I'm afraid you won't be able to get schematics that match the show. The writers just do whatever they want in every episode... 😑
Sir this isn’t accurate because in the show the ship has a giant chasm where the turbo lift is which is inexplicable by its very nature and given it’s not a huge ship either
I don't pretend to say anything bad but discovery doesn't jump only 90 light year. In the series they told all the time that they could bring them anywhere in the universe.
Great video and visualizations. Was it ever explained why the saucer sections rotated? (beyond just trying to look cool and different) Not to be some stubborn close-minded cannon gatekeeper, but the tech and overall look certainly doesn't fit in the pre-TOS timeline. Creative control of the ST franchise became so fragmented and the timeline so inconsistent. I mean, I think we're all glad there's new material, but annoying how fragmented feeling it is.
Im sorry BUT spore ops on the bridge. It’s entirely hidden in its own room with the controls there, thats why they need to manually speak to stammets rather then conn engaging, the idea being it was totally and utterly covert and experimental. The blue alert is the ONLY reference or indicator outside the spore room
Another awesome video even though DISCO is the property that sank the entire Star Trek Franchise...just my opinion. Had Paramount placed this show further down the Star Trek Universe timeline it would have been much better received. This ship design was way too advanced for the period of time the show began. And when they tried to save the show by sending it into the future it made it worse. As the ship is way too OLD to deserve a re-fit of that caliber. Future Star Fleet would/could have spent far less effort on a newer ship rather than upgrade a decrepit old ship like Disco. The show just never makes any sense. The level of work you put into these videos is incredible, please keep em coming!
I think the Discovery was a rather odd design, using the spore drive with "mushroom" was highly unusual, to say the least, and using old tech and re-fit it doesn't make any sense imo.
Not to be some stubborn close-minded cannon gatekeeper, but yeah, the tech and overall look certainly doesn't fit in the pre-TOS timeline. Creative control of the ST franchise became so fragmented and the timeline so inconsistent. I mean, I think we're all glad there's new material, but annoying how fragmented feeling it is.
A supposed advanced ship with nonsensical engineering design, bizarre science, with a regressed crew emulating squabbling immaturity, does not contribute anything to the once great Star Trek.
Pretty inaccurate compared with the show, where 80% of the ship is just big empty space filled with sharp window glass and roller coaster turbolift.
You mean he doesn't show that in this video? Why couldn't you fit a Borg Cube in there?
I have to wish he’d never bothered…
God I hated that concept. Wish no one would've ever came up with that BS. Always bothered me.
This show, like basically all of _NuTrek,_ is such an insulting dumpster fire.
It’s a disgrace to have the Star Trek name attached to it.
@@Gunnar001 i actually like Lower Decks. Compared to the other nutrek, its a breathe of fresh air.
I love the literal half screen cutaway view, but I must admit I miss the full deck layouts. Those communicate the size of the ships much better. Your video about Galaxy and NX-01 which has them is amazing, it explains very well how and why the inside looks basically like a huge office building interior.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a full deck layouts, only a profile cross-section.
@@Halfscreen In the old time we would've a Technical Manual by now. But since the Tardis-Turbolift Realm somewhere in there that ship has sailed.
@@toval76 I have noticed a decline in the technical manual on newer ships, old books were very useful
@@Halfscreen I loved them. I have them on my shelf till this day. The creators behind the scenes - Sternbach, the Okudas have given much thought about minute details for each ship.
@@toval76 Agreed. Designers back in the day really took the time to design the interior of the ship.
I AM GLAD I FOUND THIS BREAK DOWN OF THE DISCOVERY SHIP
I REALLY REALLY LOVE ITS DESIGN AND HOW FUTURISTIC IT IS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE FLEET!
Each ship in Starfleet is ESSENTIALLY ITS OWN PLANET‼️‼️
SO ITS EASY TO SEE HOW IT COULD NEVER BE KNOWN BY OTHER MAINSTREAM SHIPS!!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ART WORK!! Bravo!!
One thing to clarify: the two rings on the saucer section don’t rotate (look at the deck windows on the edges when the ship is getting ready to jump; they stay where they are), just the top and bottom surfaces.
And that makes it better how? It's still an unbecoming gimmick unfit to sit alongside proper Starfleet vessels.
I... never said it makes it better? All I did was clarify the stupidity we're looking at. Christ above, I'm not defending this show by any means.
Pretty sure they do actually.
@@RoySATX that’s the proper Star Trek attitude! Keep it up champ
I'd say it's more realistic, than whatever was shown in that one turbo lift scene. It's looks like something extrapolated from TNG manuals. I will convince myself that the turbo lift scene happened during a time, when it was still going trough upgrades and the interior was cleared. One line of dialogue could have actually fixed that.
That was the discovery a
Looking at the saucer section of the Discovery where it's split into 2 parts reminds me of the saucer section of the Vengeance Class Dreadnaught from Star Trek:Into Darkness.
I wish they stayed with the original design with shorter , swept forward nacelles, and boxier secondary hull. I really liked it. Oh well.
Keep up the great channel and videos!!!
I guess they wanted to give the ship a different design from Starfleet's traditional design.
@@Halfscreen Or they had total disregard for half a century of world building and little respect for an entire fleet of ships that had come before. It's one thing to break canon, this was firing upon it with a canon. But, hey, SS was finally forced into diversity having shunned it for so long.
You're mixing the 22nd and 32nd century tech here. I suggest doing a separate video on the 32nd Centrury Discovery as programmable matter from that Century's tech.
3:00 Great comparison and excellent video. So many people gripe about the newer ships don’t fit with cannon design. Counterpoint: airplanes/ships. All different designs, power systems, function, and form. Built in different eras by different interplanetary designers and teams. Of course every single era will be different. Of course there are Oberth classes around over 200 years. Those wooden sailing ships still can sail and original bi planes still fly.
Of course they dont like anything new, thats just them, their opinion.
hi, love your videos. i wrote for discovery and they retconed the size of the enterprise / constitution class, to make it larger. this was because the canonical size of the constitution class didn't allow for realistic / accurate internal modeling and window size, whereas on disco they had 3d renders of each ship, and the curve of the hallways and size of the windows actually matched the ship's shape, allowed for 3d zoom ins from space into windows, etc. according to the blueprints i have from my time there, disco / crossfields are 746.3' wide and 2462.4' long, which is close to yours, tho mine might be width at saucer and not nacelles. and the enterprise is 660" wide and 1575" long, which is considerably larger than the canonical dimensions pre-disco and is closer in size to the crossfields. and the ISS charon was a whopping 31549.3 feet long.
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newer trek shows seem to put less effort into the ships, which is weird given how the fanbase has always been obsessed with the ships and how they work. That being said, I don't see why the discovery itself has been so hated. I think it's a gorgeous ship, and when people say it doesn't look like a Star Trek ship, I don't understand, because it's literally based on a 1970s concept for the refit enterprise. I think where it really falls apart is with the background or side character ships. why are there so few closeup shots of new designs? that's part of the fun of trek. the Zheng-he is one of the ugliest and most unfinished ships I've seen in the series outside of kit bashes.
As a designer, I don't have a issue with the design, if anything, I kind of like it for its unique design , but you have a valid point. Newer ship schematics are very basic and not as details as older generation vessels.
It was based on concept art that was rejected back in the 70's, and for good reason. The show itself sucks because of the writing/writers...
@@josephtracey4411 It sucks because it tried too hard to make Star Trek woke when, in fact, Star Trek has never been asleep. Star Trek has always included diverse characters, human and otherwise, and had done so as a matter of fact, respectfully, and not to pander. Nichelle didn't pander, Uhura was written and acted as a respected and valued member of the bridge crew and that is how the viewing audience accepted her. It was only political in Hollywood. Even the "notorious" kiss between Kirk and Uhura was completely accepted by the American audience, it was only a controversy in Hollywood behind the scenes. It's not the viewers that need to be preached at by woke Hollywood, it's woke Hollywood who needs to accept they are not morally better than us. And I am saying this as a gay person, Discovery was pandering and a disgrace. They used gay characters as political pawns to try to shame a viewership that doesn't deserve shaming. Hollywood needs to clean their own houses before telling the rest of America to clean ours; It is them who refused to be inclusive for decades, it was Hollywood who allowed Harvey Weinstein to prey on women, they have no business telling us we are the bigots when they have time and again proven themselves to be just that.
There's a little bit of an issue with a sort of visual reboot. Discovery, being so much bigger than other ships, and looking so much more futuristic, clashes quite starkly with a lot of what we'd been shown. I'm not suggesting that it should look like the 1960s sets, but quite a lot of people felt that there wasn't much effort at making it part of the same universe. The design isn't bad, but it felt a bit like long term fans were told to shut up and that what came before didn't matter.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich yes! It’s a gorgeous ship, it could even fit an unexplored time period really well, but it was placed right in the middle of kirk’s life.
Ironically, the show did end up putting it an unexplored era, the 32nd century
in the show, there aren't impulse engines below the hangar, BUT to the port and starboard sides of it instead
Not much a fan of ST Discovery but I still like Star Trek in general. Also, very informative video. I was looking forward on the 'spinning disc' but I guess there's not much info on that.
Could you do the USS Cerritos from Lower Decks? That is currently my favorite Star Trek series.
The canon reason for the spinning disks is to create centripetal force to stabilize the ship during the jump.
My own personal head canon about the cross field class, is that the central sphere was actually the same as the dadelus class ships sphere section. Same manufacturing different application.
Or of some slightly newer class maybe, yeah.
Makes perfect sense given the ship height quoted here. Unfortunately for my brain that height being correct would make the ship about the size of a Sovereign class, which seems a tad insane... I was sort of picturing Discovery as being vaguely Excelsior-sized, and hoping to have my bias confirmed here. It has not been. :P
It would be nice if we could see one on the Excelsior Refit Class Enterprise B and one on the Sovereign Class Enterprise E as we've already seen the ones on the T.O.S. Enterprise and the Galaxy Class Enterprise D and the Ambassador Class Enterprise C.
love these. would love to see the Vengeance or the Scimitar done like this.
Nice presentation. I will say that the interior or the Discovery what we saw on screen is just all sorts of messed up. Especially the turbolift system. For the overall design of the ship it hasn't been one I've cared for very much.
Totally agree. I was lucky enough to find enough of the schematic to make the 3D model, which was only based on 2 drawings, hence, why I only model the cross-section only, and not the deck-to-deck like usual.
Agreed. I’m fairly sure the turbolift system is in an extradimensional space (which helps with freeing up space inside the ship that might otherwise have been dedicated to turbolift shafts, but at the cost of a turbolift potentially needing to travel a couple of miles when the real distance is a few hundred feet).
Nice to see it explained why the empty space and rotating saucer sections. This wasn't a ship with a propulsion system added like warp nacels , it was an entire propulsion system, with a ship built around it. Makes discovery an entire engineering marvel having to dedicate the outer saucer section to run the spore drive.
I feel like it works on the same principal as a stargate, Where each individual section locks into specific coordinates in spacetime.
The canon reason for the spinning is to create centripetal force to stabilize the ship during a spore jump. I assume it makes sense because I doubt normal RCA thrusters would be fast enough to stabilize the ship if needed for a jump as fast as that.
I don't think it's the whole saucer that rotates, it seems that only the top and bottom exterior plates do.
The whole ring does, the entire saucer doesn’t, according to a designer the decision was that is essentially what tears the fabric between normal space and the network
@@samwalker8893 the ring rotates only on the original Discovery. With the refit the ring stays in its place and only the top and bottom hull "plating" rotating, because of the programmable matter.
@@talos86 If you look at the scenes with the rotation happening, only the hull plating rotates. The windows on the inner and outer walls of the ring stay static.
Correct, the deck windows along the edges stay where they are, so it can’t be the whole rings.
How does the elevator fight will be explained? the scene where the elevator open flys through Discovery which is almost empty with enough space to park the USS Defiant inside??? Was Season 2 or 3....
This make a lot of sense than the show. Great work. Big is not actually better, people are not stupid to notice irregulaties within a confined space.
I don't know if it's actually bigger, longer yes, but in terms of volume, the Enterprise D is actually larger.
please do a video on deep space 9 & the shield hellicarrier & darth vaders tie avdvanced
And looking at the view screen of the Discovery reminds me of the view screen of the J.J. Abrams Enterprise where it looks like an oversized viewport and you can see the ships name and registry number on the hull outside.
It's my favorite ship. It looks pretty futuristic compared to other ships
The spore drive is a AMAZING concept for a engine
Near instant travel
However i suspect there can be a few counters to it
One
It needs a mycelium network(Easy to find in star trek hard to find anywhere else)
Two:
its INCREDIBLY straining on the Navigator requiring either a biomechanical computer or a willingness volunteer
Three:
I suspect longer jumps use more spores at once and require replacement spores to go further
It also must heat the systems MASSIVELY!
Finally With the DASHER drive or Displacement Activated Spore Hub Energy Rifter drive? It can do much more
Please do the Enterprise from SNW. Also for a trip outside the "Trek" universe. Please do the Orville!
I haven't look into Orville but it looks rather interesting.
Where can I find that beautiful bridge layout? Seen other before but this one, this one is different 🥰
I have to modified the 3D I found online since it wasn't to my liking, so I have to model it myself.
This channel is wonderful.
Fugly ship designed to slice pizza, comes with mushrooms.
I agree, but I must admit that I absolutely love the spore jump effect.
And that's literally the only lovable thing about the whole show.
You should talk to the Minetrek and TrekCraft builders about the interior of this ship. Especially CreepyRobot as he has build many version of this ship with full interiors.
This is amazing work!!! Love all your stuff! Would love to to see a deck-by-deck floor plan of Discovery someday 😍 I know that’s a lot of work though haha 😅
Thanks Joseph! There wasn't any deck to deck floor plan that existed that I know of.
Great video. Many thanks
Thank you too!
Stunning and brave.
Thank you!
The Geometric Design was the first Design- Idea for the NCC 1701 before it got the Design of the Constitution Class.
Don’t know where u found all the info to make this, info on disco is not easy to come by. Great job!
True, I really couldn't find much information regarding the disc.
nice work. did you finish sovereign class yet? that ship is worth an extra special video
Hoping to work on it next month.
So much doesn't compute with these spinning discs. You can think of all sorts of functionality making sure the crew doesn't experience some weird effects, but still. What about people moving between rings? Does artificial gravity work everything going so fast? When they make a sudden tight corner you do see it having effect on the crew. So I guess this would too. Black alert you say, well that is too short sometimes for the crew to get into safe positions. On topic: another nice video!
I think it's only the top and bottom exterior plates that rotate. The windows don't seem to move.
I’m still not clear on why the ship needed to go into the future. The first season established the Discovery can spore-jump anywhere in the universe it wants and can even go to another universe instead (with the implication that all universes were accessible as well). So given the ability to park the Discovery 50 galactic diameters away in any direction they pick (a distance the Section 31 ships would never be able to reach before running out of fuel and/or dilithium), why was “go to the future” their only option?
It is all to do with the Sphere data they collected in the episode 'An Obol for Charon' where the Sphere that was around 100,000 years old containing information so valuable and complex, so some back story first, at some point in the future a system known as 'Control' made by Starfleet, is an AI that was meant to be made to do threat analysis for Section 31. Long story short at some point Control becomes self aware and takes over Lieutenant Commander Airiam and attempts to give Control information about AI gathered by the Sphere. Control can use this information to literally wipe out all life within the known Galaxy and the crew of the USS Discovery decides the information contained within the Sphere can not be allowed in the hands of Control OR anything similar so they decided to delete the Data, this fails due to the Sphere data being aware of itself and takes measures to stop the deletion for self preservation. Next idea was to blow up Discovery in order to obliterate the Data instead, so the whole crew was transfered over to the USS Enterprise which attempts to destroy Discovery, only to find the Sphere Data took over certain parts of the ship and raised shields to protect itself. It was concluded they could not transfer, delete or destroy the Sphere Data so they had to keep it away from Control to prevent it from coming back in time to collect the data and wipe out all life hence take the ship beyond Controls reach which in this case was 900 years in the future since no were in the Galaxy is safe.
Now to address why going to the future was the only option is 1. The Spore Drive CAN NOT travel across the universe, only the Galaxy at this point in time due to Stamets saying when reaching the outer edges of the Galaxy the mycelial network begins to thin out when reaching the Galactic barrier which is why they could not jump outside the Galaxy to locate species 10c. So it would appear that the mycelial network only exists within the Galaxy or Galaxies but not the space inbetween.
2. Another universe. Although this is possible it is not in no way RECOMMENDED, when Stamets did that the first time he went into a somewhat vegetated state and was half stuck in the mycelial network, plus he was not able to fully navigate through it causing them to arrive back 10 months later, meaning he may not be fully in control as to which universe they may end up in, and for all we know they will end up in one that is run by Klingons or even Control so not really an option.
However option 3. With Time travel this serves two purposes, it not only means they will be out of reach of Control to prevent it from optaining the info and not know where Discovery has gone, it always means when they go to the future and detect lifesigns they know their mission to travel into the future has worked in stopping Control.
Hopefully this helps haha
Because the producers realised what they'd written made no sense in the Star Trek universe, so made up a way to take it out of the timeline.
Amazing videos. Can you do Snowpiercer next?!
That would be awesome.
Thanks. Not sure if there is a schematic of the snowpiercer.
That would be cool. I would imagine it would be a lot easier with the film version. And if it's the TV series you're after, would probably best wait until the show has finished before they unveil any more previously unmentioned carnival cars, lol.
This video is superb. But still can't explain why the turbolift shaft is so big?
I couldn't find any schematic that showed why the turoblift shaft was so big.
Look at all those normal-ass turbolift shafts, no crazy turbolift roller-coaster cavern inside the ship lol
I would love to see a video on the tie reaper
DSC is for me no canon. Nothnig does fit. As an reboot it will be aczeptable for me.
I agree. I see it as non-Star Trek. They took the name and a few of the ideas and that's all.
Great Work 🥳🥳🥳 Thank You 💜💜💜
Thank you! Cheers!
Brilliant and detailed video as always 🖖🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Halfscreen I really did, it was lovely to see some more details about this ship
@@GingerTrekkie There was really only 1-2 drawing of the interior space for Discovery,, very basic at best.
@@Halfscreen yeah i think that's where it fell short , I remember waiting patiently to see main engineering through out season one but they never made clear if that room with the spore chamber was engineering or not. I love diving in to the schematics of starships so it was a shame they didn't flesh it out more. Again you did a great job of doing that 🖖🏻
I love these videos. The USS Discovery and her spore drive was way too ahead of her time, and in hindsight, it really shouldn't be a surprise the ship would fit relatively easy into a post-Burn 32nd-Century. Had spore drive remained in the 23rd-Century, it would have changed history--either for the better or the worse.
I agree! She was way ahead of her time. Not only is it good that she jumped into the 32nd Century to escape control, but Discovery was also a threat to the entire Alpha Quadrant if she fell into Klingon hands.
I completely agree. The Spore Drive seems like it would come way later in Trek. Post-Voyager. Possibly a Star Trek:Picard-era achievement. I'm writing a Trek-flavored campaign for my D&D gaming group, and in my Trek narrative, the Spore Drive is discovered in 2388 by accident, and not put into full operation until 2392. And the Discovery-era Starfleet is a 2390s aesthetic, with a few modifications.
Nah, it's just bad writing. 😅
@@MMMMMMMMMM857 Not necessarily. Trek has often had advanced tech that had to be locked away because they weren't ready for it at the time.
Where are all the massive open spaces which we saw when they were riding on top of the turbo lift?
Sometime, schematic and tv series doesn't always line up.
What software do you use to create these models? Your detail is amazing!
Thanks. It's 3ds max.
Good stuff again!
Appreciate that
Where are all the cavernous, pointless spaces full of randomly flying machinery we saw throughout the show?
only missed the explanation for the big empty space insinde where the turbo lifts works
awesome work on the explanation of this ship, dislike the ship is an understatement, liked the show till it went into the 32 century, thought the time traveling suit was a joke, the burn was ridiculous, your presentation was a powerhouse of good information, well done
I think most my audiences will agree with you on disliking the ship.
Doesn't this ship have Dr Who Tardis tech making it bigger on the inside then the outside....
Dear Halfscreen I'm one of your new subscriber from the Philippines can you do The Star Fleet HQ on Star Trek Discovery Season 4
Thank Cristian for subscribing! I don't know if there is a schematic on the Star Fleet HQ, so probably not.
Where are the ridiculous turbotubes?
Alex Kurtzman: Doesn't know what elevator shafts look like.
It wasn't on the schematic unfortunately.
10:00....trees did this class have its own Park or something?
But how big is USS Stargazer Picard version? 03:00
I believe that the photon torpedo launchers aren't located in the nacelles. There are some theories about it. Some say that clip was an accidental mistake.
maybe u should make 32nd century discovery also
Janeway when she returned from the Delta Quadrant: Wait ...what??? Spore drive..? : Starfleet: uHmmm... yea... So sorry about that.. its a hush hush secret..
Whenever I see the USS Discovery, I can't help but mentally angle those pylon/secondary hull sections upwards till they were in line with the primary hull. It wouldn't be very much of a change and it would have accents of the Ralph McQuarrie design and would thusly pay tribute to that Legend.
In Star trek online, there a ship called the glenn class that is just another crossfield but fixed it for the better.
Could you do one covering the USS Protostar
I have to see if there any schematic on it.
Why is so big then , for 115 decks
Where is the empty void the size of an aircraft carrier located? lol
hey you left out the turbo lifts which take up 10000% of disco's internal volume
Amazing
Thanks
Make a Destiny starships size comparison or a video about, for example, how big is the Traveler or the Oryx's Dreadnaught.
You got the ncc number wrong it ncc 1031 not ncc 1301
"Hey, let's not only COVER the most important and vulnerable parts of the ship with breakable glass, but connect it to the rest of the ship with four tiiiiny little strut corridors and a slender, easily severed neck that could each be taken out by any small explosion or minor accident, causing the main living and working area ring of the ship to go flying off into space and leaving whatever survivors there might be stranded without any form of FTL!"
-An actual Starfleet Engineer apparently.
Seriously. There is no excuse for the massive dead space gaps in the disc section of the Discovery. Even if spinning is part of the Spore Drive, the main disc can still be a structurally sound, hard to cripple solid disc with the drive parts inside that spins and won't fly off the heckin' ship the first time something damages it significantly.
Without going deck by deck it is slightly harder to appreciate the scale of the ship.
I'm a little saddened that you didn't try to poke holes in the ridiculous interior/ interstitial shots we have had of the turbolift system, or worse the TARDIS-like infinite void of Season 3 which made the interior of the secondary hull easily a few Km in length.
Unfortunately, There isn't any deck to deck comparison of the discovery. The turbolift system was never mentioned on the schematic.
Where is all of the space that the turbolifts were flying through during one of the action scenes?
In the heads of the producers!
I'm not sure if anyone answered this, but what is the deal with the huge open interior where the turbolifts fly around attached to nothing like you see in the last couple of episodes of the third season where Michael and Book are getting into fights with the syndicate lackeys. It looks like the entire interior of the ship is hollow and important stations are in "pods" that are accessed with the flying turbolifts. Even with the size of the ship, the absolutely enormous interior with nothing but open space in it and unattached turbolifts seems a little too much, especially when looking at this cutaway. I also looked back in the earlier episodes before the time jump and that huge interior was there too. It wasn't a 32nd Century super technology upgrade. That kind of pushes my suspension of disbelief to the extreme. Anyone have an explanation, I'd like to know.
I will never understand why the disco's nacelles are so obscenely long
Wait, wherre's the cavernous turbolift network?
It wasn't mentioned on the schematic.
You forgot to talk about how the computer became sentient and was named Zora
How does it rotate you never showed us how the sorcerer rotated with people inside it
Yeah, that the spinning part made no sense.
@@Halfscreen so true thank you
It’s clockwork don’t you know? A giant space pixie winds the motor then it goes spiny spin spin.
PS. Please stick to decent shows.
@@lawrencemanning Well, it is really based on fans' suggestions, my channel isn't based if fans hating the series or not. Trying to be objective.
136 crewmembers?!?!? That's it for the entirety of the discovery? wow
you placed the impulse engines wrong ...
You missed the 6742356(…)355422 miles of turbo lift mate!
You forgot the Turbolifts. 90% of Discoverys interior must consist of Turbolifts. Or the ship is like Tardis: Bigger on the inside than from the outside.
Well, the schematic didn't really showed the turbolifts based on the series.
@@Halfscreen And this ist only one of so many illogicalties in this series...
@@tobias1170 I think this is why the schematic was very, very basic.
dont forget they once ejected the horizontal warp core vertically and through at least 25 decks....
Can you make for the enterprise E
Yes. Eventually.
Where's the massive turbolift room??
It wasn't on the schematic.
@@Halfscreen
I know, I was being facetious. The new Star Trek shows aren't interested in technical details or consistency at all, so I'm afraid you won't be able to get schematics that match the show. The writers just do whatever they want in every episode... 😑
@@Idazmi7 It is just easier to ignore the detail and just go with whatever the writer wanted to do.
@@Halfscreen
Sadly.
I watch this just wanna know where is the turbolift
You need to be hired by paramount
Sir this isn’t accurate because in the show the ship has a giant chasm where the turbo lift is which is inexplicable by its very nature and given it’s not a huge ship either
It's really based on the schematic of the Discovery, but in many cases, schematic and show doesn't always line up.
I don't pretend to say anything bad but discovery doesn't jump only 90 light year. In the series they told all the time that they could bring them anywhere in the universe.
Great video and visualizations. Was it ever explained why the saucer sections rotated? (beyond just trying to look cool and different) Not to be some stubborn close-minded cannon gatekeeper, but the tech and overall look certainly doesn't fit in the pre-TOS timeline. Creative control of the ST franchise became so fragmented and the timeline so inconsistent. I mean, I think we're all glad there's new material, but annoying how fragmented feeling it is.
according to a designer the decision was that is essentially what tears the fabric between normal space and the network
Thanks for the explanation.
I know is fan but how about the Aries class and idk if your a fan of trekyards do the foley class loved the defiant hope you keep these up
Im sorry BUT spore ops on the bridge. It’s entirely hidden in its own room with the controls there, thats why they need to manually speak to stammets rather then conn engaging, the idea being it was totally and utterly covert and experimental. The blue alert is the ONLY reference or indicator outside the spore room
Pretty interesting
Respectfully request the Protostar.
This ship never existed in the star trek universe!
I didn't much care for the strange turbolift roller coaster arrangement. I think i prefer your way of having actual decks.
Another awesome video even though DISCO is the property that sank the entire Star Trek Franchise...just my opinion. Had Paramount placed this show further down the Star Trek Universe timeline it would have been much better received. This ship design was way too advanced for the period of time the show began. And when they tried to save the show by sending it into the future it made it worse. As the ship is way too OLD to deserve a re-fit of that caliber. Future Star Fleet would/could have spent far less effort on a newer ship rather than upgrade a decrepit old ship like Disco. The show just never makes any sense.
The level of work you put into these videos is incredible, please keep em coming!
I think the Discovery was a rather odd design, using the spore drive with "mushroom" was highly unusual, to say the least, and using old tech and re-fit it doesn't make any sense imo.
Not to be some stubborn close-minded cannon gatekeeper, but yeah, the tech and overall look certainly doesn't fit in the pre-TOS timeline. Creative control of the ST franchise became so fragmented and the timeline so inconsistent. I mean, I think we're all glad there's new material, but annoying how fragmented feeling it is.
@@Phrancis5 It's basically the same thing as when George Lucas sold SW to Disney. Continuity was destroyed.
A supposed advanced ship with nonsensical engineering design, bizarre science, with a regressed crew emulating squabbling immaturity, does not contribute anything to the once great Star Trek.
Yeah, its definitely a bizarre series.
where is the massive roller caster turbo lift system seen going for ever inside discovery made no since
Are we going to talk about the stupid space for the turbolifts in season 3?
SO.....no 25 mile long empty hole in the ship were people could have a massive fight in elevators lol
Discovery is an amazing engineering feet. Such an awesome ship