How BROKEN Are The New D&D Feats And Subclass Actually?
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So, Dragonlance is finally (officially) out! And with it comes a new race, a new subclass, and NINE new feats! But how BROKEN are they really? Let's find out!
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You should do a video on how taking 2 levels into fighter is basically better than getting capstone abilities. Very few subclasses are worth taking to a full lvl 20.
Total Party Kill = TPK
No moonbeam for LUNAR sorcerer 😂
I think what makes it worse is they did get Moonbeam in the UA version, so somewhere along the lines, they decided that the *moon* themed subclass shouldn't have access to the only explicitly moon themed spell in the game.
@@jacintacapelety9600 the fact that they didn’t is stupid
@@jacintacapelety9600 I say, ignore the official material and get moonbeam still!
Light clerics still can’t cast sunbeam. I know your pain.
"Kender taunt: call someone a b*tch" is why I enjoy watching these videos 🤣
“And then run away” realistic middle school recess beef simulator
I had to rewind and watch that part again cause I hurt my stomach laughing at it.
@@Silver_Anchor I certainly agree!
@@Silver_Anchoragreed. I watched it twice and quoted the whole scene to my wife who also laughed.
Welp, I'm kinda disappointed with the lunar sorcerer. Like, the UA version had some better spells, and... I CANT BELIEVE THEY TOOK MOONBEAM FROM THE SPELL LIST. But yeah, it still a good subclass anyway.
Love your videos, shout-out from Brazil ❤️
Holy crap, you're right! This thing NEEDS moonbeam!!
That was the most disrespectful thing they did, it's literally almost made for the subclass, but all around straight disappointment.
Agreed. Taking moonbeam away while they loaned other wizard spells is out of wack
Lunar sorcerer makes me so sad. Most of the features are effectively useless, and most of the spells it gets are mediocre at best. Treantmonk went into way more depth in the video about it than I can in a comment, but it went from genuinely being kinda busted in the UA to still coming in behind clockwork soul or aberrant mind, the 2 subclasses people generally consider to be the most "busted"
PLUS HOW COULD THEY GET RID OF MOONBEAM IT'S LITERALLY A MOON MAGIC SUBCLASS
Why does everyone go on about Moonbeam? It's one niche moveable small AoE spell that requires you to spend your action to move it that just so happened to have "Moon" in its name. For a sorcerer I can think of plenty of other spells I'd rather use my concentration slot on. Plus they took Evocation out of the rotation for the phases, so it would be somewhat inconsistent for the a phase to grant a spell it's not associated with.
So, what do y'all think? Honestly, the more I look at those feats, the more busted they seem... But I'm still thinking they *should* be allowed and explored outside the setting, still not stronger than other OP options like Sharshooter and Lucky imho
Does the waxing and waining feature mean you get ALL those free spells just for the cost of one sorcery point, meaning you basically get quite a few free spells times how many points you have?
@@Quaznick_Ruttner yes, and you're not the first to be confused, a lot of these abilities are shockingly badly written! It feels like a very clunky subclass to me, perhaps they didn't have time to polish it?
I tried to explain as best I could, but basically, you get a free casting of each 1st level spell per long rest, if you're in its respective moon phase, so you kind of get 3 free spells for two sorcery points!
Dnd shorts I know you probably aren’t reading this but could you do a video on the black hole gun. What I mean by this is by constructing a gun of sorts that shoots a bag of holding and when the bag hits it’s target. Another bag goes into the previous bag. Thus creating a black hole gun.
It’s ok.
Sry I mean it’s ok if you can’t because I know what I put is unrelated
Gotta admit, I started watching your channel for the 'Weird things you can do in D&D' shorts but I really like the direction you're going just talking about new releases. Your style is super informative yet accessible & funny. Keep it up mate!
The free feat options help martials drastically over spellcasters, balances the divide quite well.
My players and myself are quite excited for the setting/module thingy
Small correction to make on the Full Moon Lunar Empowerment feature: the advantage only applies to creatures in the *bright light* that you shed, and the bright light is only the first 10 ft, not the full 20 feet of total light.
Additionally, it's worth noting the the blinding ability of the Full Moon's Lunar Phenomenon only effects creatures of your choice, meaning there's no risk of blinding your allies.
So glad to see the Kender getting some flavorful love. One of my favorite parts of the book is when the party encounter their first dragon and how Tasslehoff just gets weirded out. In general seeing Dragonlance getting any love is fantastic, one of my favorite book series, and favorite old pc games from back in the day
Glad to see Roll20 found you and is supporting your work. Keep on doing what your doing. Its a lot of fun to watch and informative too. I check in just about every day to see what shenanigans you have come up with this time.
How can the Kender be the only people in the multiverse who can taunt
Because wizards can’t be arsed to make their game consistent or logical, they’d rather just print power creep, and avoid giving DMs important rules.
Either that….or just house rule it to be wherever
Because they're annoying and everyone wants to stomp them into goo?
@@thetzeentchianrepresentati5547 What important rule is lacking for you? How does it apply to this situation? I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement but power creep and DM guidance seem like two separate issues.
Because the Kender are the game's embodiment of "why are you made at me? I'm just roleplaying. This is how the character I created specifically to do stupid things would behave! Why are you getting mad at me for roleplaying?!" so why WOULDN'T you want them to have new and unique ways to do stupid things that will piss off the rest of their group?
All I can think of with Adept of the Black Robes is a Warlock deciding that his Synaptic Static just isn’t doing enough damage, and deciding to toss another 5d8 on top.
The lunar sorcerer sounds fun to roleplay with a mechanical addition where you actually tie it to the in-world phases of the moon. So when theres a full moon you are a little buffed but when there is an eclipse you pull a full-moon Inuyasha and become powerless. Maybe especially for werewolf themed plots.
The editing of this video is top tier, very appreciated.
The lunar sorcerer is ridiculously overcomplicated. And, as a DM, I would not allow anyone at my table to play kender. Not because of the feats, but because of past experiences with how kender are played.
I agree, most banned race ever.
Fair enough, although Wizards changed the official lore so the Kender wouldn’t be played as kleptomaniacs who steal from their party members
@@omous7770 pretty smart.
I think the black robes feat with being able to use hit die for damage is going to be really strong. Especially considering how short the adventuring day is for most games I have ever played. The hit dice for healing on short rests are used by it not to the point I wouldn’t rather change them out for extra damage. And especially in a situation where you crit the damage potential with that is awesome
Treantmonk made a pretty good video about how Lunar Sorcerer is not that op, specially compared to things like Clockwork.
Yup lunar sorc definitely not in same tier as clockwork or even aberrant mind sorc. Many of those extra spells are just of no value
@@jeffdietz630 Which ones are those? I only count something like two to four that really have limited utility. Several are niche, but that's part of the idea of additional spell lists; they give you access to some additional options without using up known or prep slots.
@@willieoelkers5568 we can go back and forth on utility of spells. I see about 5 as good spells and perhaps 2 or 3 as situational niche utility. Compare contrast the ability to switch out those spells as is allowed by clockwork and aberrant for 10 to 11 known top tier spells.
@@jeffdietz630 And those are both considered broken subclasses, so I can understand why they dialed it back this time.
@@willieoelkers5568 which is why I referenced them in contrast to lunar. I'm not saying lunar is or is not necessarily OP, I am saying the community reaction that it should be banned for being OP is an overwrought reaction considering the power creep that is already bounded by widely accepted subclasses.
Hey, great videos. Ive noticed in a few of your videos a small audio issue. When you are recording at the table, there is a deep rumble possible distortion in the recording. It may also be the placement of the lav mic in your beard, that is picking up the rumble of your throat. Or it distortion from the levels while recording. Outside of this the rest of the audio is excellent and the editing it great! I hope this feedback is helpful, keep making the great videos
so basically you turn your hit points … into Hit points
It is interesting. Some of it captures the flavor of the OG novels and campaign setting. I am still awaiting my book so I can look at the background feats to see how they compare to how the varied elves, dwarves and humans worked.
... New cursed flavor build: eladrin lunar sorcerer/whispers bard with the Actor feat. For the player who gets bored *really* easily.
Why do we still not have a Draconic Warlock Patron in official material?
You mentioned that Life Channel was just a bit of extra damage on Fireball.... but it's also extra damage on Paladin Smite Spells, or Arcane Trickster sneak attacks, or just Eldritch Knight blade cantrips. The Precise Strike of Squire of Solamnia is also extra damage for any martial. Stack the two together and you get some spicy damage going.
Bro lol the way you said “BITCH” was downright flawless 😂
Remember for Lunar sorcerer, phantom steed is a great spell because it’s a ritual but sorcerers don’t have ritual casting meaning for you it’s a 3rd level spell slot and 1 minute casting time for 1 hour duration.
They will have ritual casting when One DnD is released. It looks like they are already publishing content with One DnD in mind before they officially release One DnD.
Kenders ability to taunt is just vicious mockery without the damage lol
The big problem with the sorcerer subclass is that although it gets some good spells, none of the 3 phases give the lunar sorcerer anything comparable to the best subclasses, and, as you said, the other abilities are, as you said, not great.
Loves the lunar sorcerer, but would have love to have a system that would be like you don't choose your moon phase and it is the actual moon phase in the dnd world. I think it would have been charming and cool
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
I got this book on dndbeyond. I’m going to start a campaign sometime near the new year. I’m trying to set up the day off from work to arrange what night I can run the game
With the lunar sorcery thing, I don't understand why/how they've not realized there is another lunar phase which exists: gibbous (no, it's not just for Lovecraft stories!), which is when it is over half in either waxing or waning. It seems really short-sighted to not realize this, and to be giving nearly half the month to absolutely nothing as a result.
Kenders? After the Phurphagz, this? Again? Time to punt some Gully Dwarf clunge, because thats the Int roll on that genius ideer.
For the Adept of Nuitari the Wither and Bloom spell is a nice choice as it is a necromancy spell that does damage and heals (using Hit Dice) my plan is to run a Fighter Eldritch Knight and take basically all the Knight of the X feats by Lv 8 and the Adept of Nuitari feat at Lv 4 as having the D10 hit dice to throw at extra damage should be quite interesting
Sacred Fire is great! You can target people behind full cover (provided you can see them). No other cantrip I know of does that. That is a significant benefit, one that often gets ignored.
In my next game I really look forward to seeing all the players trying to escape the CR20 eldritch abomination from the stars while the kender bard is just standing there, unfazed, playing a song about a deformed octopus and somehow actually dealing damage.
Color spray is actually really good at low levels, as there is no save, and it is until the end of your next turn. Yes, blindness/ deafness is technically better, but color spray can be more consistent when you really need it.
Good video, but I don't know if you noticed that your audio is a bit muddy for some reason. Seems to only be when you're sitting at the desk. Can't say for sure, but it sounds like maybe it was encoded at too low a bitrate.
2:30
Orcus is a demon, but he has truesight so the point stands
Was that Dariax when you mentioned Divine Soul Sorcerer?
Consider: Kender Drakewarden who attacks, mocks, and then flies away on a gosh dang dragon
I do think that some character types should get legendary resistances, such as barbarians.
Good to see they finally made the DnD books canon
Some make sense to have the dragonlance campaign prerequisite cuz ya some campaigns are “easy” enough that those extra 1st level spells might end up being OP but dragonlance seems to push back just as hard to even out potentially overpowered casters or fighters
sneaks through camp
moonphase changes
starts to glow
"fuck"
everybody always says that the save or suck spells are top tier, but every DM i ever played with has always had insane luck with saving throws. i have literally never gotten a CC spell to stick. . .so i end up just spamming magic missiles and the bolt cantrips
I really like the way they built feats in this book. Locking some feats behind other feats can justify them being stronger without being totally overpowered
Taunt is the first actual ‘mmo style Tank’ ability in dnd that is directly on the chat sheet
Can you do a video on the sorcerer class?
No wonder the kender get the Taunt ability. They are THE MOST HATED race of all Dragonlance among the fans. This is because they're practically the creator pets, and described as totally good and pure despite the fact that they're a goddamn annoyance and a pain in the ass for everyone.
Definitely like the flavor of the lunar sorc. I’m new to the games, so it’s hard for me to get a full understanding of what’s broken and what’s not. I honestly hope it’s not too broken, cause I would love to play it. But also don’t like to play with an OP class lol.
If a DM allows all of the Knight feats to be gained freely, your paladin or fighter in the party is gonna be very potent on the battlefield if you get all three. Knight of the Crown's Commanding Rally is just a better version of Commander's Strike as it only takes a bonus action instead one of your attacks in the Attack action on top of that. Combine Squire of Solamnia, Knight of the Crown, Knight of the Sword, and the Distracting Strike maneuver and you can literally do a 1-2 punch of advantage with the party Rogue for crazy damage. I love it.
What do you mean by "gained freely"?
Honestly, this feels pretty balanced for where we are in 5e, feats and subclasses that are better than average, and still not quite matching the clearly busted fey-touched and clockwork soul
Holy shit lunar sorcerer is clean asf DND really be stepping it up lately like godDAYUM
I’m salty with how Dragon Lance pre-orders have not been shipped yet.
Kender taunt: call someone a bitch
“Proceeds to hold up middle finger”
This is why you are my favorite
Now i wanna play a kinder samurai fighter with the defense fighting style
Actual LOL on "This is trash. Flavorful! But trash!" 😂😂😂
I like roll20. I don’t know if this will be our next campaign or not (we are currently finishing Descent into Avernus) but we always use roll20
What is the song you use as your background music? it sounds so familiar.
Moon boy and lycanthropy would be fun narratively.
I do have a understanding hatred towards the updates to the feats like squire of sausages, because I know that getting medium armor and martial weapons for a feat is op alone but damnit I dont want to get OCD over the 1 ability score that I now need to get a half feat for
If you use standard array you are going to have odd ability scores that you can even out with a half feat. This should help.
anyone else noticing some audio issues in some scenes? 6:03 for an example.
Wait what...changing the phase of the moon could have horrendous effects on everything.... 1 does it fasy forward or rewind time to get to the intended phase? 2 if not does it cause tide waves force shifting the moon in the sky? What happens to eveyone everywhere, randomly causing all lycan to spontaneously shape change and shread the townsfolk because you forced a full moon?....
If you resist necrotic damage then...
A vampire wizard, the low amount of hit point wizards get has been fixed.
“In the name of the moon, I'll punish you!”
I want to see more hardcore content put into 5e. Give us harder monsters at every level. More complex and intricate dungeons, forts, mazes, etc. To balance with the powerful races, feats, backgrounds, classes and subclasses, we need more intense obstacles.
Dragonlance something new?? I remember playing D&D's dragonlance campaigns around 20 years ago
I haven’t read the material but judging by the some of the comments it looks they are already starting to publish some of their One DnD concepts in official 5e material. Every feat being a half feat is here to stay.
I thought lunar sorcerer only got the list of spells associated with the lunar phase you were embodying, so 5 extra spells at any 1 time but you can change them every long rest, and later bonus action. Not all of them, or was it balanced since this video came out. Edit, wait no, it actually gets all of them, holy crap.
Wait. We finally got the Tanking Challenge ability, and it's A KENDER RACIAL FEATURE!?
I love how he keeps saying Taunt means you can call them a bitch. That's head canon now; the Taunt ability is now the Call Them a Bitch ability. Also, these Knight of Solamnia Rallies already exist as Battle Manuvers, so why can't I just be a Battle Master Fighter with the Superior Technique Fighting Style and take other feats like Tough or Mage Slayer?
Nothing stopping you from doing that, or you can emphasize being a battle master and take these giving you even more uses. And since it's a different feature, it sounds like they'll stack for even more damage on crits.
Honestly, Mounting and Dismounting for 5ft vs half of your speed of movement makes the Cavalier Fighter a lot more versatile. Plus the piercing trait is very key to the DL campaign because of the Dragon Lance's themselves. I say it is a very good feat.
Cavalier already gets that ability, aside from that despite being called the Cavalier the cavalier's abilities are just as good without a mount
OK so is there a way to do the battles in Roll20 instead of the boardgame? Basically, is it set up to play the boardgame inside Roll20?
Knight of Solamnia feats sounds like WotC saying " We all know Battle Master abilities are awesome but no one wants to play a BM Fighter so here, ship up."
Honestly I kinda like something like this subclass being so powerful. I feel like powerful subclasses should require more effort on the players part. It levels stuff out a bit. Something that is hard to play but rewards you for doing so feels like a good way to go balance wise
Lunar Sorcerer might have 15 spells but most of them are pretty meh or situational. It's not that mindblowing (yes the UA version was way stronger but unfortunately that's not what they're going with so you know...). Also the reduction of Metamagic cost is nice but it only works if you're in the correct phase of the moon, which costs another sorcerer point to switch, which kinda negates the whole point.
I don't know how many of these posts you get the chance to read but I'm putting out my request with hope you may see it.
My DM and I have been discussing the power levels of the wizard (spell classes) vs the fighter (melee classes) at 10th level. The reason this is a discussion is that our adventures and campaigns rarely go beyond 10-12th level. So we don't even get the ultra powerful abilities of the later levels.
So your opinion what do you think? Wizards start to take the lead at 10th level or are the fighters still pulling ahead? Any way to prove it more than just an opinion?
Just an idea for a video and answering a fan's question.
Sorcerer's biggest weakness is versatility! A full caster, with an abysmally low 15 spells at level 20 (compare this with an artificer's 25 prepared spells), adding an additional 15 spells known quite literally _doubles_ this classes day-to-day versatility! (Reading the text, it makes it clear moon phase does not change the spells known list, all15 spells are always known!)
Three words: Eladrin. Moon. Sorcerer.
That was the first thing I was thinking.
By that logic, Divine Soul is also broken since it gives the player access to the base spell list of the best class in the game, even more if the DM is cool enough to let them use the optional spells for cleric.
Would magical balance work for any attack rolls? Like spell attack rolls?
i can already here the "your mom" jokes coming with Kender characters...
Taunt + no walking allowed warlocks or booming blade + mobile feat
Wait there's an actual tool to craft spells now?! Shit my old DM homebrewed a shrinking spell for me in our first campaign. Was mostly for goofing off but it also let me break an encounter that was supposed to party wipe us 🤣 I'd love to see what kinda spells people come up with
Yeah yeah but where is my giant throwing barbarian from the last UA?
My take on this; the gulf between god tier mages and worthless melee gets far bigger and the new Species ironically makes a great Barbarian. Taunt really should be in the base Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Ranger kit as they are the ones from a design perspective who should theoretically be on the front lines
Just wait for One D&D, you will pine for 5e martial classes or not, every group will just have a Wizard/Artificer/Sorcerer tank sword wielder.
IME front liners don't need a taunt, it is very likely the enemies they are engaged with will hit them anyway. Especially a reckless barbarian that is easy to hit or a paladin dealing heaps of damage. Melee characters get attacks of opportunity to punish enemies for moving past them, and grappling (or sentinel) to force an enemy to stay and fight. It's really not hard to make a frontline tank if you want to, it just means sacrificing a bit of damage to do so.
For your next add slot your beard needs to attack something!
Me Personally look at lunar sorcerer as a trash subclass, but the 6th level and 14 level features are really good but I think thats like the major buff due to most play doesn't go all the way to reach 18th level. If some of the old spells remained would make the extra spells actually good but like a majority of the spells are just..bad.
Magical Taunting. Supernaturally annoying.
i play a goblin merchant/artficer and i almost kill my party everytime i use fire ball it became a running gag ( NO NIX YOU CANT USE FIRE BALL HERE WE ALL GONNA BE STUCK IN THE EXPLOSION IF U DO SO .....)
I worry about the mechanics of a level 3 sorcerer controlling the moon." Its dim light out as the clouds reveal a full bright moon..." "Its a new moon now" "oh uh ok I guess thats what it is now"
In OG Dragonlance there were 3 moons in different phases at different time. Each moon had power over Good, Evil, or Neutral.
Kender are nice and all, but I want to play as a Draconian. Brutal and militaristic, with a _Ka-BOOM_ at the end!
So give me a draconian race, a better minotaur race option, and tinker gnome and gully dwarf subraces too.
The amount of extra spells doesn't matter when most are super poor spells. It's a trap because you think LOTS = good. Clockwork and Aberrant Mind have a few less spells, but they have MANY good ones, and they're ALL replaceable. Lunar is 100% not up to par with recent sorcerer subclasses on a power basis. If you like the flavor, go wild with it.
Keep in mind, you can't ritual cast as a sorcerer. Steed eats a FULL spell slot.
Are the mages locked to the moons based on alignment like in the old edition? Also do mages have to travel to the tower to be tested to advance?
I'm still waiting for the day when the potions on the table get chugged.
neat indeed
If the Roll20 goons are holding you hostage just blink rapidly three times in your next vid. Cause one of the charms (not the only one) of this channel has always been that the ads are hella funny. This one was just an ad.
No need to torch my man Color Spray like that!
I'm not sure you'd want to take fire damage in a campaign against *red* dragon (devoted and blessed by) armies...
I think your underplaying the value of extra spells. Lunar sorcerer is second only to clockwork
Honestly everything in this book ranged from ok to good. Nothing is bad, but nothing is outstanding.