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I've stopped DMing D&D because of how broken the entire game is.
It's especially disheartening for me as a DM how broken charater builds can be, so i eventually reached a point where i didn't want to put in any work to build encounters anymore. I'm done.
@@PerfectionHunterthat sounds more like a player problem than a you problem, as your players must be insisting on broken builds and exploits at the expense of your fun, making the game not fun for you and resulting in no game and no fun for anyone...
Hey, hope it's not a weird question but, what do you use to get such a perfectly bald head? I've tried a few different things and none of them look that good
I have a super broken combo where you can actually go infinite damage.
With a level one spell
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No worries. Keep calm and roll a new char.
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I'm just Glad you are back! I was just wondering about you last night. Thinking about how I haven't seen no content from on my time line. Hope you got your rest and everything is good. Can't to see more videos from you.
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Lv 2 artificer: *'oneshots' an archmage with the bag of holding bomb*
Archmage: *planeshifts back* "yeah, you're so dead now"
This is the way
*Casts Wish*
More like-
Lvl2 Artificer: *erases their 3rd goblin*
Hounds of Tindalos: *crawling out of every sharp corner like cockroaches to investigate the spacetime disruptor*
Better hope he had that memorized.
@@grendl74 tbh, as soon as I'd hit level 15 I would *always* have planeshift memorised. ALWAYS.
Too many reasons speak against not memorising it as soon as you are that powerful.
2nd appearance of a Bag of Holding bomb.
“The campaign starts on the Astral Plane.”
The equivalent of killing someone by defenestrating them...out the window well of a daylight basement floor.
Most of the silly artificer attempts of BH bombs can usually be shut down by the DM telling the players to look up item weights in the PHB.
10:43 Funny thing. WAY back in 3.5, Lycanthropy used to permanently shift your alignment to that of the original Werebeast that infected you. This, of course, makes sense if you were ever bitten by a werewolf or wererat, who are Evil... but in 3.5, the Werebear was *Lawful Good.*
So I had a concept for an adventure, involving a Werebear who was going around, infecting known villains... and turning them Good, albeit against their will.
It was going to be a question of if the players stop the werebear or not.
It was stupid, and felt kinda mean-spirited, so I never used it.
But I think it's funny you kinda came to the same conclusion I did.
I always found the Werebear hilarious. Because it stated that you lose control during the full moon doing actions in accordance with your alignment... which was Lawful Good.
Huh I guess that gives an actual use to that one Ceremony use case
I don't really see a problem with doing this from the DM side, as a plot, but I'd have a problem with players doing it. I only allow adventuring to continue within the first 24 hours of being afflicted (because it's not right to say "you can't even do your normal actions anymore, good luck getting out of the dungeon"), and any time they _voluntarily_ shift into beast form, they incur one level of Exhaustion. So the Werebear PC has a running clock to get their bites in. 24 hours. Then they can never adventure again while afflicted with lycanthropy. There is no cheese potential, that 24 hour grace period is for your _entire life._ If you've burned it all up and get cursed again, you're gonna stand there like an idiot Not Adventuring and your friends are going to have to escort you out.
actually amazing campaign idea
tell the players the villagers are scared of the werebear, that there's a bounty on it - but if the players kill the werebear, suddenly there's an outbreak of criminals and villains that they unknowingly caused!
The question is whether it's really Lawful Good behaviour to forcefully change someone's alignment like that. It's essentially a form of near permanent mind control.
Nitpick! The whole team cannot get the bloodspear buff because the bloodspear requires attunement!
Surprised no one told you that yet but attunment can be ended in multiple ways. A line from DMG page 136 "A creature's attunement to an item ends if the creature no longer satisfies the prerequisites for attunement, if the item has been more than 100 feet away for at least 24 hours, if the creature dies, or if another creature attunes to the item. A creature can also voluntarily end attunement by spending another short rest focused on the item, unless the item is cursed."
@@Alex-pq4vpHow long does attunement take? I thought it required a long rest to attune to an item?
@@Flashback2020 It takes a short rest to attune to an item. Most DMs allow you to do it during long rest too
From DMG page 136: "Attuning to an item requires a creature to spend a short rest focused on only that item while being in physical contact with it (this can't be the same short rest used to learn the item's properties). This focus can take the form of weapon practice (for a weapon), meditation (for a wondrous item), or some other appropriate activity. If the short rest is interrupted, the attunement attempt fails. Otherwise, at the end of the short rest, the creature gains an intuitive understanding of how to activate any magical properties of the item, including any necessary command words."
@@Alex-pq4vp But a short rest takes at least 1hour so if you want to do this trick it would take 3 hours in a party of 4 people, if the original wielder does not want to attune again. There is plenty of room for a DM here to punish this player behavior. For example the line where it says focused only on that item, can be laid out as any distraction will interrupt the attunement, like being talked to, being touched by someone or experience a weather change while being outside. Not to mention the simple solution by putting time pressure on players or just start fights after a long rest. And to be fair he explicitly said you just can pass the spear to your party members in the video, which is obviously not true.
Counter point to someone using a flying race cheesing the Tarrasque:
The Tarrasque makes an improvised weapon attack, throw orphanage.
That, or just... *jump.*
Hot take- Fly Speed only ruins encounters if you have every encounter outdoors in an open field.
Sure, no enemy can hit that eldritch blast bird man- but if the enemies just take full cover, or there's a ceiling in the room? They're the same as everyone else.
That's kinda the same way a Twilight cleric's 300 foot darkvision affects the game: only outdoors. Being able to share it with party members that may not have any Darkvision at all is still very useful underground.
ignoring that they are an open target for range attacks is honestly just sad. fly speed is not broken most DMs just don't use range attacks a longbow can shoot stupidly far and cost stupidly cheep to make/buy.
@@sicroto EXACTLY. Preach my friend.
Listen I know a lot of people just listen to the audio but the edit of the arracockra taking out a hammer labeled “cheese” and bonking the tarrasque is fantastic.
We had a simple polymorph restriction - unless your character has seen it "up close and personal" they are not familiar enough to recreate it. Any backstory encounters need to be GM approved during "Episode 0" creation.
It gives a small bonus to the mage for not hiding at the back when the Giant Serpent or whatever appears, because they can then add it to their "Size of a. (insert beastie here)" list.
There is an argument that polymorph isn't duplicating a beast you are changing your form and so the idea that you need to see a creature to polymorph into it is rather restrictive. I polymorph into a German Shepherd, there is no stat block for that but a Wolf is close enough to the form that you can use that stat block.
Technically the spell doesn't change you into a beast. That is just the category of stat blocks you can choose from because they are the weaker ones for their CRs.
@@nickm9102 I get your point. Changing into similar. "I've seen Wolves and Golden Retrievers, so a German Shepard is pretty much the same." But if You had never seen a Greater Pink Wangdoodle and had no idea what it was, you wouldn't be a able to change into one. Same for a nordic mage that had never seen a large jungle cat like a tiger or a Dinosaur. Could still do a mammoth, Dire wolf or similar.
It doesn't really restrict the mage in that they can still get the results, just the flavour is different.
Personally, I think Polymorph shouldn't be able to turn a character into anything that isn't a beast of CR 1/4 or less. Sheeping someone is a time-honored tradition and should be upheld as a strong crowd control option and nothing else.
That said, though, the part that a lot of people forget with Polymorph is that it replaces your mental stats, too. When you turn into a T-rex, even if your personality is the same, would you even be able to recognize your friends? Or would you just see a whole bunch of tiny animals trying to kill that bigger animal you want to eat?
@@ilovethelegend the argument there is how strong the party bond is. You retain your personality and alignment so if you have a strong party bond you would likely recognize your ally if you are good or neutral you would likely refrain from making a party member a meal. If you have a weak party bond it would depend on how hungry you are and since most predators are used to not eating for days or weeks at a time I doubt you would put much effort into it. Now if you are evil or you haven't been eating then it is very likely that polymorphing you will create another enemy at worst at best you would abandon your original "mission" to find food. Now you will move further away from this the higher the Intelligence is.
This means a 1-2 you follow your instincts 3-5 you would react simmer to how a domesticated animal would. 6-8 at this point you are reaching a level where only the most aggressive people would respond that way and realistically is only incapable of using its equipment because of the spell wording.
A CR7 Giant Ape realistically could do everything that a PC could do except it has no language. Which is likely the reason it is a CR7, a Druid would have to be lvl 21 to use this form. Add to that the ability to retain Mentals in Wild shape and you are definitely going to be better off Wildshapeing for the 10 hour stretch and armoring and arming yourself. But this can't happen unless you reach lvl 21.
@@ilovethelegendthe common rule is that you don’t roleplay your stats, those are for your checks, saving throws, attacks and spells.
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oh hey Ace
Hiya, Ace! Been a while since I was over there, but it's good to see you anyway :)
How do people join? I've been dying to play. I'm usually a forever DM
Inflicted lycanthropes only transform at the full moon and lose control of the character for the duration of the transformation in every other edition. Being a lycanthrope (even one that matches your alignment) was always considered a bad thing. The only option to get around that is to be a natural lycanthrope, which is only possible in 3.5 due to level adjustment mechanics.
You still lose control of your character in 5e. The only way around this would probably be to be inflicted with lycanthropy by a good aligned being as I believe your lycanthrope alignment is based on what creature inflicted it on you.
@@floofzykitty5072 from what I've seen said, you are combining the old system with the new, and the alignment change was a part of old lycanthropy
Welcome back Mr Shorts... I didn't realise how much i missed your content till you popped up on my feed 2 minutes ago!
Flying speed being op shows a really interesting progression in the hobby. In that flying is not op In dungeons. Or really anywhere with a ceiling. It's only as the game has evolved past that first half of its name that flying has become a problem
I def agree although to be fair if you can fly you can just sorta float/hover above the ground making you immune to stuff like tripwires or pressure plates in dungeons, or just cross a chasm with no effort and the like. Tbh dungeon crawling is only really interesting and/or fun at lower levels that becomes less attractive later on.
Yeah, I had a player show up to a mega dungeon with an aarakocra. Not as op as other people thought it would be because half the game was a dungeon. It was the strongest right before the dungeon and navigating a lava field at the end boss.
Flying is not even OP outside though, only a very select few enemies can not have some form of ranged attack and those ones can run and hide. The example at 3:02 is terrible because a single hand full of rocks from the Terrasque will one shot the flyer even at much higher levels.
Flying could be even dangerous because if they get knocked prone mid air that can end up being a lot of damage.
What I find a bit weird though is that you can fly in a 5ft wide corridor. Your wings basically don't exist as physical things to keep mind of.
Also ....flying at night, from a distance....limits ranged attacks too
I don't ban any established rules from my table. Instead, I'll take the time to see and poke any holes in the "broken" builds/ideas. For Aaracokra, casters will now have a hold person on their spell list. Bag of Holding + Portable Hole (or any other extraplanar holes) will result in a portal to a thieves' guild held in a secret plane (this is something that I started to do since 3e). Wish spells I definitely am not worried about. The more greedy the wish, the more I become an efreet granting that wish. Do you want to become immortal? Cool. You're now a statue!
For almost any flying race I tend to use the idea of...you have negative cover. If enemies are targeting based on what they can see...they CAN SEE YOU! No hiding up above the battlefield archers and mages will try and target you especially if you are making a big but flying threat of yourself. Ranged enemies will usually deal with flying threats first their their melee compatriots deal with melee threats, then move to support melee combatants once the flying/ranged threats are dealt with.
Good strategy. And the DMs ultimate is ofcourse always in play: any broken rules can be houseruled, or an even more busted reply. I myself also like cosmologically logical interventions: turning yourself into an invulnerable nanite swarm of spellcasters? The Gods/Tindalos/They-who-Dwell-Beyond have taken notice.....and would like to have a word.
On the TFC, the first encounter I witnessed of a flying race character, they were up 30 feet and a monster did use hold person on them..... and they died... from the fall damage+ they got crit hit after they fell...Fortunately, it was also the first time my character got to use revivify. But TFC encounters can't be flexed much on the fly because to make it more balanced you have to get encounters pre-approved. Honestly, it is a system you have to see working to decide if it is for you. I like it. But there is nothing wrong with other ways to play.
Anything that can knock the Aarakocra prone will be devastating. Maybe give every archer Ammunition of Walloping, which on every hit forces a DC 10 STR save or be knocked prone. DC 10 once is a joke. DC 10 multiple times a round, every round, might actually induce a fail. And then if they're low on HP, the fall may kill them outright, at least at low level. That's one warning I give flying races. You can quite literally take yourself out by landing badly at level 1. Even at level 5, if you're in archery range, you're not safe from the Ammunition of Walloping.
@@mal2ksc Earthbind is also a hell of a 2nd level spell that almost no-one ever takes but NPCs can ruin a flying races day with.
Archer with Bag of Holding launcher sends Evil Wizard to void.
Evil Wizard appears, "I can planeshift you fool."
Archer with Bag of Holding launcher sends Evil Wizard to void again.
Evil Wizard appears again, "You can't beat me you fool."
Archer with Bag of Holding launcher sends Evil Wizard to void again.
Evil Wizard appears again, "Stop that you fool. What do you hope to accomplish!"
Archer with Bag of Holding launcher sends Evil Wizard to void again.
Evil Wizard doesn't re-appear.
Archer waits a few minutes to be sure and mutters, "To force you to waste all your spell slots. Stupid wizards."
Love to see your videos are back, hope you had a great break
As an older player who has dealt with Hostile DMs and power gamers trying to defeat them...
It warms my heart to hear you pushing kindness and cooperation.
It makes the table so much better.
Great to see you back!
We need more broken combos haha. I love your content and I always love watching your videos, so keep being awesome!
Welcome back to UA-cam! I’ve been going through withdrawal symptoms
Prestidigitation says "warm up" So bringing that to its ultimate conclusion, it should be renamed "create plasma" Just keep in mind that its ONLY a cantrip
For the record, I don't find the "prestidigitation nuke" to be very convincing, RAW. It says "warm up," not "heat." As a DM, I would have no trouble ruling that this means "set the temperature to warm" rather than "add whatever amount of heat the player would like to." Casting prestidigitation on something which was already warmed wouldn't even do anything, because it is already "warm."
@@nxtboy96but what is warm? It is so subjective
@@HouseDiAngelo It's cognitive realm nonsense, of course. But even if we agree that "warm" is subjective, we still have a shared understanding of the sort of temperature range that it entails. I imagine the same would be true in Faerun.
My stove can also warm up food. It's still unable to turn matter into plasma.
@HouseDiAngelo Grungeon Master argued that the "cooling liquids" half of that gives a decent point of reference. If you assume *cooling* water from room temperature (roughly 20°C) cannot *freeze* that water, it is reasonable to say it can lower Temps by roughly 15°C or so, which can then be mirrored on the upper end to heat things up to 35°C. Not worldbreaking, but heated blankets and chilled lemonade will only ever be 6 seconds away
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oh hey Mo
nearing my one year anniversary on TFC, it is a fun place. Thanks for the indirect shoutout
"Dinosaurs just didn't exist" man I can't imagine a bigger buzzkill than hearing your DM's world filled with magic, beholders, dragons, werewolves, and elementals didn't have dinosaurs because it didn't fit their idea of what a medieval fantasy setting looks like. But Giant apes were okay!
Rule of Cool can overstep into chaos. Using the same logic, nazi laser vikings are also a thing you could summon. Polymorph into an R2-D2, Illusory Bugs Bunny, build a mundane supercollider, play as Batman who fell through a dimensional rift.
There's already lots of cool things to play with, no need to break other people's worlds because they're not enough for you.
@@TlalocTemporal Bruh a dinosaur is just a large and scary chicken, it's nothing like nazi laser chickens.
Meanwhile there's floating eye monsters that has 10 tentacles with eyes on the end that shoot disintegration beams and petrifying rays, they're A OK! 👍
@@chroprs -- Different kinds of fiction. A 1600s British ship captain is out of place in Shadowrun, while a corporate cyborg is out of place in a pirate game. Both characters could be fantastic fiction, but using them in the wrong game can derail stories that try to take the world seriously.
You didn't pay attention to what he was saying. The WORLD that he was referring to did NOT have any dinosaurs. Dinosaurs NEVER existed on that particular world.
Not too difficult to comprehend here and I exclusively play 2nd Edition AD&D. I have never played 4th or 5th Editions.
Yes, a world where giant apes exist and dinosaurs never did is particularly fine. Similarly, a world where apes evolve from men is also fine. A world where chickens don't exist and dogs lay eggs that people cook and eat for breakfast is fine. Because of this comment, I just might swap out toads in my next game with Lotads from Pokemon. "You want _what_ as a familiar? Never heard of that. You can have a Lotad, though."
Welcome back! Oh yeah, The Forged Concordance can be fun for DMs and Players alike
Exactly what I need right now! Thanks! 😃
When a content creator can actually say "nuclear" instead of newkehlar or something weird, I can have a happy day. Thank you, sir.
I remember hearing as a kid that there was a difference between nuclear and nucular, but for the life of me I can't recall what the distinction was. In any case, I had to look it up to find the spelling and it was described as a regional pronunciation.
@@lordsergal8783 Nuclear means related to the nucleus. How do anyone say "nucleus"? Nobody says newkelus. Say "nucleus", then say "nuclear" and it has only one reasonable way of being pronounced. I know I'm being stupid about it and it doesn't matter how people say it, but I can't help it, it triggers me to no end when I hear these creators saying it like newkelar, and there's a LOT who say it like that, so I really feel good when one like this pops up and says it right. 🙃
@@Leongon-- "New-ke-lus"? I've never heard that, even from the science teacher than thought Jupiter had a moon called Lo. It's always been "New-clee-us", like New Cletus (the old one dun blowd up).
Nukular 😂
I feel the same way about artificer when not pronounced in accord with the word artifice.
I can see why someone would do it this way with it being a potential new word but it's still like nails on a chalkboard to me.
And while it may be prudish I usually pronounce aaracokra as coke to avoid the possibility of childish giggles.
I hope a few folks who watch this hop on over to the forged concordance.
I have DMed there a good while now and they are a genuinely great community. Folks who care a lot about dnd.
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I jumped on as soon as I saw this video, waiting on guild access for my character as of 9A today! No doubt the mods are dealing with a big bump in applications this week :D
Glad you’re back!
Good to have you back sir! Love the channel and can't wait for RGTYR
The trick with two Bags of Holding -- in 3e/3.5, the whole "tear a hole in space" thing was for if you put one in a Portable Hole, or vice versa: if you put a BoH in another BoH, the inner one would just completely fill the outer one to capacity.
Also a decent nerf in and of itself. As the dm, just never give them both halves of the demon sphere. Your players don't "need" both, as they handle the same issue.
@@chaosstripe9446 An artificer can infuse to create a bag of holding at lvl 2
As far as I can see, with 3.5e there is no official rule on what happens when you out a bag of holding in a bag of holding. if you know otherwise, please tell.
The all-time classic ban has to be the Coffeelock. A build which, RAW (i.e., the mechanics are being interpreted correctly), but is clearly an exploit that many GMs homerule to not work.
Actually RAW it can't work. Xanathars and even the PHB/DM handbook make it pretty clear that it can't work. A cokelock now that works. But that's a lot of gold lol. Basically you have to skip sleep for a coffee lock to work and you must make a certain dc saving throw or get exhaustion which will kill you at 6 fails I think.
Warlock invocation 'Aspect of The Moon' prevents sleep entirely, skipping the coffee part
@@gaigetucker6242
@@gaigetucker6242 if you go warforged they literally cant get exhausted
@@gaigetucker6242 _Whenever you end a 24-hour period without finishing a long rest, you must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or suffer one level of exhaustion._
_It becomes harder to fight off exhaustion if you stay awake for multiple days. After the first 24 hours, the DC increases by 5 for each consecutive 24-hour period without a long rest. The DC resets to 10 when you finish a long rest._
there's an invocation you can take that removes the need for sleep entirely. @@gaigetucker6242
Love these types of videos
Glad you had time off. Good to have you back!
I'ma put my own here: *Vow of Poverty* in 3.5E, and by extension giving it to your Paladin special mount to get a free buffed-up dragon that is perfectly obedient. Lemme explain:
Vow of Poverty is part of a line of Exalted feats in 3.5, all requiring you to take Sacred Vow first. Each give some sort of permanent buff but requiring you to permanently abstain from some aspect of DND, with VoP being the most severe by *far* because it means you can't have gold or magic items. You're not even allowed to hold potions and you can only use a quarterstaff. The flipside is that it makes you a *fuckin badass* and you get stronger as you level. We're talking +4AC that turns into +13 by lv18, tons of bonus exalted feats (including more vows), making your natural attacks into +1 to +5 good magical weapons, spell resistance, ability score improvements, and much more. Even still, normally this would cripple a character. But what if we put it on something that doesn't *need* money or magic?
Enter the paladin special mount. At Lv 5, you get was is essentially the 5e find steed spell into a class feature that boosts the Mount's hitdie/level/AC, makes it your permanent ally in Celestia that you can eventually call and uncall as many times as you want, and gives it some mindlink stuff. You can also pick their feats based on their HD, which will become important in a moment. There are also a ton of variant mounts other than the standard warhorse, some of which require you to have a higher paladin level to even summon them. You can even get dragons, but as outlined in the Draconomicon there's a ton of setup. They're intelligent so they won't always obey you, they need a lair, and 10k worth of gold and gems. You miiight be able to see where this is going.
Get to the level where you can get a juvenile brass dragon (has to be a large sized good dragon for the standard paladin), make it have sacred vow along with VoP and another one called Vow of Obedience, and *HUZZAH!* Your dragon mount will not want the gold/gems or a lair, it will obey you without question, and because 3.5 treats hit die as levels for monsters you can easily have a lv 10 paladin with a dragon mount stronger than many lv 20 characters. Like we're talking 30+AC, 35+str, spellcasting, breath weapon, 250ft of flying per round, everything. Also it attacks and moves on your initiative count while also allowing you to use its movement as your own and keep your own attacks, so you can just keep pecking at enemies with spells or use a reach weapon like lances while charging in midair for some huge damage cuz 3.5 charging does triple damage with a Lance and you can increase the multiplier further up to 9x with spells and features.
Oh, and if your dm tries putting you in cramped dungeons? Take the initiate of horas re feat for yourself which lets you do a full attack on a charge but also turn into a small-sized hawk for an hour a day. The juvenile brass dragon can use its Alter Self special ability to turn into any humanoid or beast it's own size or larger with the stats of the transformed creature but keeping it's buffs, so just have it turn into a Legendary Wolf. 120ft speed cr18 medium beast with all the buffs from VoP and the other stuff, while being able to cast verbal spells. Why is this important? Cuz it's medium and you're now small, *you can still ride your mount* so cramped spaces like dungeons become a non-issue for you cuz you're now fighting and exploring in the same size category as the rest of your party likely is. If you need to climb/fly/swim/burrow, your dragon can simply transform to something else as many times as it wants a day and can also cast spells to give you air for places without it.
Enjoy pissing off your dm!
Man. Book of Exalted Deeds sure was a book. I definitely pulled a lot of cheese out of that.
My bud back in college rolled a prestige Paladin (4 Cleric/2 Fighter, levels full casting and BAB) with the Saint template... to this day, our DM says it was the most broken thing he accidentally allowed to happen. Holy shit, that +1 LA and in character trials were so worth all the cheese the man got to do.
WotC : creates the Vow of Poverty to buff the monk because it's the worst class of the edition
The druid, the best class of the edition : Time to turn homeless.
@@raphaelregnault6914eh, unless you're spamming spells the whole time a 3/4BAB class isn't really all that great. Hell, just by the nature of the moonspeaker prestige class, I'd say druids are not the top spot. Moonspeaker can be taken as early as lv2 and gets you wildshape at lv5 as if you were a lv5 druid, and has a fuckton of other insane buffs along with it that far outclass what druid can offer.
There is *not* a "best base class" in 3.5; there's best classes for a 1-3lev dip, 5 if you're pushing it for a class feature, but with the 1,200 prestige classes and several hundred alternate class features there's almost no reason to use the base version of any class unless it is a prerequisite for something godly like stormruler for raptoran clerics or soulbow for soulknifes.
@@Crocogator it really did. Most banned book for 3.5 IIRC
4:47 I had to pause and laugh for a good minute that someone actually made a diagram like that.
Such an arrow would be, at best, unstable in flight and not function as intended. First test, fired arrow flips up and hits the ground 9.9 feet away from you. Oops.
First time you see the "Arrowhead of total destruction"? That's decade old! Originally, there's also a caption under it that says:
"Engineers
They shouldn't play D&D"
Welcome back!! Missed ya!
I’m 2 minutes 40 into the video and man that Spell Jam would go nuts with Planar Binding
I would also ban the ability for Simulacrums to cast Wish for the original caster, cuz getting free Wishes with no downside is busted.
The TFC is an awesome place to play, come and join us! :D
Hey can you send a link to join I’d love to play
@@YoItsMurro links tend to get nuked in youtube comments, just google it
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These are some of the most level headed bans I have heard of for DnD.
The Simulacrum-chain strat _does_ have a couple of built-in limiters that make it more difficult, and can be used by a DM to limit or block such shenanigans.
Firstly, the ruby dust: The amount needed is fifteen-hundred gp worth, so this gets very expensive very quickly (though, as you noted, the Simulacrums can be sent out to get more). And it's _ruby dust;_ a rarity that the DM can easily decide that your shenanigans have depleted the available supply of.
Secondly, the other (non-costed) material component. Snow or ice in sufficient quantity to match the volume of the target.
In most environments, that's going to be difficult to prevent from melting on you.
There's the issue that both of these can be bypassed by having the Simulacrums cast the spell via Wish, but of course that prevents the Wish-based shenanigans you mentioned.
Wish can also be used to create 25 000gp's worth of (permanent) material, which must fit into a 300ft cube.
You could make one simulacrum create 25 000gp's worth of ruby (enough for 16.66 castings of Simulacrum), and another a 300ft cube of snow.
Then repeat as necessary.
I've always assumed ruby dust came from, well, crushing rubies. All you need to do that is something harder than the rubies that won't wear away itself, like diamonds. It's a perfect use for ugly, flawed, uncut diamonds. I think most people would keep the rubies intact and not grind them until they actually need them, since rubies have other uses.
@@mal2ksc True, but those rubies are also a rarity that could very easily be depleted by reckless use of Simulacrum.
My house rule for putting two extradimensional spaces into each other is that both become inaccessible until you remove one from the other, with one being the only thing you can retrieve.
No astral explosion, no loss of items inside the space, just a temporary inconvenience until you can grab a hold of both disabled containers and physically pull them apart with a single action.
Seems simpler to just ignore the rule altogether, when you put a bag of holding into another one…nothing happens, rather deal with near infinite storage space than wonky trans dimensional magic effects
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I have homebrew mods on some of those.
Tiny Hut - burrowing/tunneling creatures can enter from underneath if they become aware of the presence of the party otherwise they ignore it
Flying - no hovering, characters must use their full flight distance when they move, they may bank and turn twice, the space they are in must have a vertical and horizontal height/length of at least half the distance of their maximum flight distance, if those reqs aren't met then the only thing they can do is use a flight assisted charge in a straight line that ends on contact with the target.
Magic Items - characters can attune to 2+prof modifier in magic items, familiars, pets, etc cannot equip magic items and followers are limited to one which is controlled by the DM
Polymorph - you can only poly into a creature you have actually seen/experienced
The easiest way to nerf the simulacrum stat is to make the simulacrums have free will and go "hey wait a minute, why is THIS guy telling us what to do?"
You don't even have to prevent the simulacrum to try to cast wish at all, or to make multiple clones of themselves.
Just remind your players that Mystra, the goddess of the Weave, the one who banned all spells above level 9 and restricted the number of spell slots any spellcaster could have, isn't a fan of anyone circumventing the limitation of her spells.
They can try, but they might get the visit of an avatar of a god
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Great video. I was a hater on an earlier one but this one is awesome.
4:03 Flying speed is simple to deal with at any level and Fly is only a second level spell. A new DM might have trouble, but the DM is god - you can put a roof or give the enemies arrows. Or if they players can fly, then just add flying enemies.
The old adage, what's good for the goose is good for the gander is apt here. If the players are "abusing" flight, then so will the NPCs. See how much the players like being snipped by Eldritch Spears from 600' in the air?
It's better to adapt the combat honestly. Have enemies that can also fly, give enemies cover, put the enemies inside caves and buildings. Hell, let there be challenges that player can solve with their flight, make a few combats where their busted flight combo is vital to winning and make others where it's unusable and even causes issues. Hell, imagine a fight against a dragon or kaiju where someone is flying, zipping around and dealing damage with eldritch blasts while the rest of the party has to work from the ground to exploit weak points
Fly is a 3rd level spell.
@@Femaiden and some enemies have wings that arent a spell
dude nearly spat out my drink durning your add .
5:22 That was one of the most unexpected segües I've ever heard. Well done sir.
"Shorts we would like to hire you to do a video about all the rules we've had to make because of you." Beard's lookin GREAT dude!
Welcome back from your off time! You were missed!
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I find it hilarious that forged concordance is the one here lol you've got good energy dude keep it up
Neat never heard of westmarch before
for lycanthropy i have a general rule it is not to stop the "statergy" stated here but just generally it comes from 3.5 specifically i believe. after failing the con save to be cursed the curse does not take effect until the next full moon, there is a "grace period" before they can transform, also from 3.5 is the creature can cure it in the first day by taking the "correct" amount of wolfsbane or a remove disease effect but after the first day it is a curse and cannot be removed in this way
I was expecting much more restrictive bans but was pleasantly surprised to see everything was very reasonable~
Thank you! 😃
9:30 welcome to a quick guide to summon inevitables.
Welcome back with another fun and informative review! Oh yes, beware of the players who downed energy drinks while binge-watching DnD Shorts videos . . .
i'm happy to see fellow westmarch servers, getting some well deserved Exposure. I feel that its few and far between that players know about this kinda stuff.
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Love the channel
This reminds me of one of the most powerful magic items I have ever devised: The Leomund's Tiny Hut Hand Grenade, a Grenade that spawns a hut by itself and only grants entrance to people designated by the thrower at the time of throwing.
Isn't that just bead of force?
@@codebracker No, because allies of the user can enter and exit the sphere while enemies can never get in in the first place.
A similar strategy to the first one was used in the 1D&D lvl 15 playtest oneshot w/ PackTactics where he used Divine Intervention to cast Hallow as an action.
I had a player try the Dhampir Swords Bard combo in one of my games. The main fix I had was that the bites effects only triggered from the first creature not the ones killed by Slashing flourish.
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Also can't wait for my copy of Ryoko's You have me checking my mailbox every day lol
So glad you're back. Hope you had a good vacation.
Some of these are really really good ideas for very specific character concepts.
I have an Achitecture Wizard that would love thar Glyph of Tiny Hut
There are very few animal type creatures to wild shape or polymorph into. Removing any kinda breaks classes and builds relying on them.
A group I played with once had a group of enemies stumble upon us as we were resting in Leomunds Tiny Hut. The results were a 3 hour long combat consisting of dodging in and out against foes that tried to hit us with prepared actions.
Noticed the little dice in the corner, apologies if I'm late to noticing them, but they're really cool and I'm sure they'll be very helpful for some
Really smart call
I could see some of the broken combos being allowed only right before a BBEG fight that the DM has set up specifically with counters to, like casters that are able to "microwave" insta-huts
I'm glad you had a well deserved rest 😊 I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss these videos though 😅
The T Rex ban immediately reminded me of the conjure woodland beings > Pixies polymorph combo, and I'm kinda surprised that wasn't on there (even though it's hilarious)
When I first started dming I had a major boss fight setup for my players the arackrokca roque stayed in the air and spammed magic missle killing the boss in about 2 rounds with the help of the party
TFC member here! Thanks for the video!!! - Prophet
"Oh really, you're gonna Wish us all to death? You and what army?"
"I'm glad you asked."
I think your last point is often understated, there is an important difference between banning things for story reasons vs banning things for being too powerful (especially if said power can be argued as just a DM not knowing how to deal with things).
I had a campaign banned two races, a bunch of subclasses and a whole class - because the beings that made those things possible didn't exist in the world yet - and the whole campaign was based around bringing those creatures into the world.
A friend of mine told me about two OP combos in a campaign he DMed. First was a Druid able to summon 6 Wolves finding an item that let him cast the spell again as a free action, so he just sent 12 wolves on the BBEG and obviously won. Second was a Paladin NPC they trained with who used a Smoke Screen, Plain Step, and Astral Projection combo to appear to split into two in a puff of smoke and appearing on both sides of the player. This caused a severe disadvantage on hit for the player because they don't know which is the real and if they guess wrong the Paladin gets advantage to hit since the player's back is turned.
In one of my own campaigns, I had one trick that wasn't too OP but did scare the DM when I enacted it. My spell book, the Tome of Voidsinging (this was a Homebrew), would summon a void fireball a few inches above the surface of the book and shoot it long range at 3+2d8 damage, which was enough to one shot most players. Well, I realized that since the fireball is above the surface of the book, putting the book against the target will summon the fireball inside them. I two-shot the BBEG.
I remember back in the days of auld when one of the most annoying class combos was Bard/Dragon Disciple/Pale Master. An AC so high they could barely be touched, immunity to critical hits, immunity to sleep, poison and paralysis, immunity to one element of choice, immunity to insta-death and ability/level drain, HP through the roof and free spells. Oh, and you can fly.
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a couple of things that sounded off to me, one I don't see anywhere in the spell Simulacrum where it says it copies your current spell slots: " . It appears to be the same as the original, but it has half the creature's hit point maximum and is formed without any equipment. Otherwise, the illusion uses all the statistics of the creature it duplicates, except that it is a construct." Therefore it's actually up to dm interpretation whether or not that spell slot is spent on the copy. Furthermore even with ruling it so that you lose the spent spell slot on the copy you don't need 2 lvl 7 slots, a 7th and 8th work just fine so you could still do it as early as lvl 15.
for the simulacrum thing.. you'd also want to either not allow them to cast wish or make it to where you, being the actual source, are still effected by the downsides if they occure.. else they could cast wish to simulate simulacrum or just outright summon a clone puppet of you that doesnt have the connections to you..
You could also house-rule that any existing simulacra of a person disintegrate when you try to create a new one. I;m not sure how well this protects against *two* wizards with simulacra though.
@@SimonClarkstone you can make it to where only one copy (simulacrum) if a person may exist at a time regardless of what spell is used or who casts the spell..
My fix: if any Simulacrum you create gets wishboned, then _every_ Simulacrum you create from then on will come into existence already wishboned. You get _one_ extra bite at the apple. And getting someone else to cast Simulacrum doesn't fix it, it just transfers the risk onto _them_ that their Simmy will get wishboned forever.
For my campaigns, I did a bit of structure on where the beginning and end were but left the players to fill the middle. It created a lot of work for me to counter-balance the game but it's supposed to be fun. I always enjoyed watching players come up with complex strategies or game breaking ideas. I feel like a lot of DMs have a set storyline and don't want to change the set up so it's an instant 'no you can't do that' scenario. If everyone playing understands the 'standard', I guess it's okay. It can create discouraging situations. Always felt that explaining the intent and how, allows the player to do so. Especially if it's a sound idea. -A rogue drops a bunch of caltrops in a camp, while they sleep. A wizard lightning bolt the area. All creatures within the caltrops would make a save for the caltrops. Failing the save would make them take full damage from the bolt. Succeeding the save, they'd take a -2 to saving from the lightning bolt. The argument being that the creatures fell prone, all dice damage is applied since all caltrops are a connecting source.
If you take three levels in sorcerer and add it to the second combo with the long spell metamagic you can get 1200ft eldritch blast btw, also love your videos.
I look forward to leveling up my current character enough. The plan is Path of Giants Barbarian 6, Tempest Cleric 6, Sharpshooter feat, and the legendary hammer Matalotok. The idea being that once I have Matalotok, I should be able to shunt large groups of enemies around.
Many, many moons ago (read as AD&D rules) Our party met up with several black puddings... In a panic, our mage cast a spell thinking it was a fire AOE.... unfortunately it was a Make gaseous (or similar) spell to allow short term passage through solid objects... so now we had several black puddings in gaseous form that really couldn't hurt us, but were hanging around trying to eat us... and the spell only lasted for a few minutes... the team quickly used various fire implements to herd the black puddings into appropriate containers (that they could not eat through) These containers were capped and the plan was to lob them off of a cliff or down a chasm... later on one of the players ran out of ammunition and decided to lob one of the canisters at a small patrol of orcs... said container shattered releasing a very angry, very hungry, and fully solidified black pudding in their midst... while the black pudding did inflict some damage, it was mostly the chaos caused by the pudding that allowed our party to deal with the threat.... Thereafter, black pudding "grenades" became a sort of "staple" at our gaming table when we wanted a crazy diversion.
Bag of holding used by character to cover and contain a beholder by scooping it out of the air while it was passing a drop off the character was hidden at the top of. When the beholder was just below the top I bagged it . Enemies were surprised when I pulled it out (carefully to make sure it was facing them) let it do its eye thing, shoved it back in the bag and the party capitalized. This was AD&D ORIGINAL. It was not long after the Monster Manual (not compendium) first came out. Had a LOT of fun with that one.
Yes I am THAT old. Started playing D&D when there were only 2 books. DMG and PHB.
I'm pretty sure the "fix" for bag of holding bombs just makes them a little trickier (and only works on medium and smaller enemies) but safe in melee. Just lay out your portable hole, push enemy in, and drop another bag in. And if bag isn't destroyed now, it is more easily repeatable.
In my campaigns, the bag of holding bomb creates the tear as of expected, however I randomly choose a plane with highest chance being the abyss. I will exchange body parts or even souls of other beings with the living creature(s) exposed to the implosion rift. In addition to landscape swaps
I love these "broken" builds/combos.
As a DM, I sometimes use them for NPCs (without revealing how) to test them out and get a great reaction from my players.
As the NeverPlayer, I'll use the less broken ones (i.e. SorLock, Hexadin, etc.) to build iconic characters that, if too unbalanced for that DM's game, can easily slip away for a more even-keeled build because story. 😁