Not entirely, because sailing is all about how you use that which happens around you, like windspeeds, wind reliability, depth of water, type of water, rules of the game (sort of traffic rules with your competitors), the specification of your boat and much more. Track times are quite different between harsh winds and soft winds, and every boat reacts differently to all of these surroundings.
Could be, but ratio's show an average. That means that an average in all way - person and a one trick pony would come out at the same level, without telling much about what they're good at.
Yup, sailing speed is very changeable depending on the conditions and the course. You can handle the conditions really well, but that still won't give you a number to set yourself by
well, it's not as clear cut as sports like running, but you can still be compared to other athletes pretty well; take fencing: you could compare placements in tournaments, average score per match, rate of successful parries, rate of successful attacks, reach and speed of your lunge (and retreat) etc...
gonavygonavy There's this fucking false stigma that annoys the fuck out of me that all Eurpeans call 'football' 'soccer'. In Ireland we call 'football' 'soccer' to distinguish between Gaelic Football and Soccer. In fact, the word 'soccer' comes from England. It's an abbreviation of 'Association Football' which became 'Asoc' for short and then 'Soccer'.
Yes it's also a game and yes you can put a number on it but it's your number, or FIFA's number, not THE number. Who's saying that the numbers FIFA uses are more correct than any others. That's his whole point.
Hi lindybeige. I'm a fan of your videos! I watched so many in such a short amount of time. I really enjoy your videos about history! I am originally from Newcastle so when I found out you live there I was a little shocked. I wouldn't have guessed it. I live in Japan now and it's nice to listen to your long rants as I don't really have anyone to speak English to over here so listening to your rants is really entertaining. I do have one video I would like you to consider making. Would you ever make a video about the old kingdom of Northumbria? There's not a lot of information out there but I think maybe you may know a bit about it. Thanks!
There is a number to say how good one is at playing football. It's called transfer market value just for your information. Different positions will always be perceived as differently important/skilled players like keeper=forward>midfield>clearance.
yea but thats kind of made up and relative to how the players perform at that moment. One players value depends on performance, but also on the relative performance to others. For javelin: i can throw 50m. thats how good i am. Maybe thats the world record or smth (it isnt, i know) but football players have to constantly perform, and their performance declines rapidly, while newer players perform better and faster than them, only to decline themselfs and so on. You cant really say "yea he throws 50m, thats worth 2Million to buy" but in football, u say "he performs like 2mio, that means next year 1 Million (or maybe 3 Million if hes young)" And just to get away from the professionals: in lower ratings, you still meassure how far one can throw (lets say 20m) and u can directly compare everyone else. But if everyone is equally bad, u dont get so much of a comparison in that part.
@@workshoponwheels4936 international team members are all born in their respective countries because most countries find it immoral and unpatriotic to use people of other nationalities. the reason most countries feel this is because to buy a player from another country because they are better implies to the general public that the countrie cant find anyone good enough "for their standards" in their own country which is considered extremely unpatriotic. so your comment claiming that most international teams are made up of people of different nationalities than the country they represent is arbitrary
It cant be said that 11 are playing for themselves. As soon as you have any sort of team the atitude changes from individual glory to fighting for something greater than yourself. Like a relay or something
As an American, I am unusual. I am not very "sporty" as my British wife used to say. Personally, I am most impressed with knowledge, wisdom, character and skill at something useful. I feel that the American sports thing has gotten out of hand long ago. In my family, it's the Winter Olympics that draws us to the television. We are all snow skiers and can relate to many of the winter events. But that is finite. It has an end. At least for four years. It is not our LIFE!! Are you a good forester? A good carpenter? Are you very good at navigation? Good. I have a couple of questions for you. I have never been good in formal schooling situations. But I have been an arborist since the mid 1980s. And I am still studying. I am serious about being the best I can be. One benefit of this is the ability to answer the questions that come my way. Very few people can advise someone who have problems with one or two of their fruit trees -- or ornamentals. My goal is to be helpful. Also, when someone admires my work on trees, that does it for me. The tree is benefitted and the client is happy. And when I was married, sometimes people would tell my wife that they appreciate what I did for them. That is fame enough for me. So this also takes the "Success at Work" question away from the financial aspect. If my work is beneficial and pleasing, that does it for me and to an extent, for my wife too. And word of mouth brings in more work, which feeds us and pays the bills.
Personally I only watch the Winter Olympics for the curling which I find surprisingly interesting after accidentally encountering it during the Vancouver Olympics in 2010.
Weirdly enough we had a 6'8" guy on my wrestling team in high school. When I asked him why he chose wrestling instead of basketball (both of those sports went on at the same time) he responded with "Same reason you chose wrestling. I don't want to be a part of a team when I compete. I want my victories and my failures to be my own."
well, his patreon is by the video, so it's Lindy's way of making money. I for one certainly don't mind this though, if he made one video a day I would be happy to pay $7 a week for it
Oh my, I can finally disagree with you. There's nothing I hate more than teamsports, it's either my teammates are better or worse than me, which results in either me holding my team back or my team holding me back and I'm not into that. But sports like archery, though. If I win I know it's ME that did that. I didn't get carried by other 10 people around me, I shot those shots and it's ME who deserves the glory.
There are many team sports where the whole team doesn't have the same role. With football as an example you're not either holding your team back or you're better than them. You're better at defending and some others are better at attacking. So you're on defense and they're on offense. You compliment each other.
Kralko Velky, I used to think the same way when I was younger. Once you realize team sports are much more complex and that your own value is not diluted by the number of team members, then your ego won't be so focused on it being You that did it all.
I don't follow football but it is one of the most popular team sports and therefore a good example of a team sport where you have different roles and values to the team.
Lost it when you said ' Soccer' in your best American accent, I loved it. These questions actually produced some interesting content, but you're quite skilled at this. Always a fan!
I´m doing archery for nearly 3 years, but I never really see it as an individuel sport. It´s always also about how good our teams are or how good our club is. For me the points you can reach in archery is only to give you some figures, if you are as good as in training or something like that. For me, evem archery is a team sport!
Okay... So how is tennis quantifiable? Individual sports are much better, because when you fail, you have no one to blame but yourself. You know exactly how good/bad you are, and you can do something with it and get visibly better over time.
Huh, I guess tennis can only be rated based on how many people you have beaten and what level they are, which is then based on who they have beaten, and so on and so forth
My opinion on this is both. I used to wrestle and in that we were part of a team, but it was us doing the actual sport with our team members cheering us on. So it was just you and your opponent. No one holding you back no one being held back just you and your skill yet still able to have the team spirit and camaraderie
Well put! I honestly thought you were going to say individual, but you made very good points as to why you wouldn't, and I'd say you changed my perspective too! Really enjoying this series, nice job!
I was so bad a team sports as a kid… football, volleyball, handball, basketball I was even bad at dance. Anything that requires me to work in synchronization with others. Then gave a try into martial arts and managed to get by.
I'm definitely a team sports guy as well. I guess this question was more about the fame bit of it. but with team sports you also get things like life time friendships and good memories.
I will be a champion of a sport without a team because I go to fencing and I am really happy so I would prefer to be a champion in it than in any other sport.
Scoring 100 before lunch at Lords, it's both! Literally 5 mins before this vid was uploaded we, well I and the other guitarist were talking about this very thing. The 'lead' (in his mind only) guitarist wants and does play all the time and over everyone else, a band is a team!
There are an awful lot of statistics published about individual contributions to team sports - cricket has a long tradition because you have time to calculate the statistics by hand during the game without missing anything, but, with modern computing power, just about anything can be tracked, calculated, and displayed on a screen before the cheers have stopped... For any sport, if you're at world-champion level, you will have an insane amount of numerical analysis of your individual performance done.
I come from the north west of the U.S and the idea of team v.s individual will almost always go to individual. This I think is because of the homested mentality. Or "I'm going to take this thing and by my self in going to make it the best! No help needed! I don't need your charity!" this is why I think Track is so popular up here in Oregon.
When I was on the high school track team (age 14-18) there where mostly individual events but you where still playing for your school, if you won your individual event you got points which where added up to a total.
I think another good question along this line is whether you would want to be a famous solo musician, or a member in a famous band. I've noticed Americans tend to favor solo artist for some reason.
Going back 50 years, it's probably related to the definitive, most successful American artist being Elvis Presley and the British counterpart being the Beatles. Young people growing up in the US perhaps felt more inclined to copy Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Smokey Robinson, Fats Domino etc (note all solo names) and those in Britain copied the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and all manner of British invasion bands - which are all groups. Those early artists set a precedent and a template for future generations to follow. I'm speaking in very broad strokes but that would be my guess.
Love your point about team ! As a french I've never really felt compulsed to go for team sport, but rather individual ones (mostly martial sports), so that was quite new and interesting to me ! However I have to disagree with the point you made about not putting a value on teamplay - as some other comments seem to have pointed out - in my experience in team games (be it sports, regular life performances like groupwork or videogames), individual performance plays such a huge role that you CAN put a value on it, by all means ! A great, smart, cultivated person in a group of other cultivated persons can absolutely perform better at a given task, for instance (as in within some groupwork or tabletop/RPG)!
This video oddly enough reminds me of a quote from Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines, where someone says "The problem with these international affairs is that they attract foreigners."
I much prefer individual because whether I win or lose is almost completely based on my skill, where with a team sport I could be doing terribly and still win, or I could be doing better than ever and still lose miserably.
I would choose an individual sport, because winning on a team doesn't necessarily mean you are the best. A winning team often has players who are not the best at their positions, but wins anyway because they can carry those lesser players along. However, team sports are more fun... generally.
Definitely something to be said for an individual sport. When competing you must be at your A game or you will struggle and possibly even fail. However the bond that is created with a team though is quite something. Tricky question.
I am a simple man. I see Lindy. I click. I comment. Then i realise i suck. Rewind. Keep watching. Facepalms in between because of myself. (Keep it up thanks Lindy!)
I totally agree with the points about things like javelin not being as interesting as things that are more directly competitive. However, I think all my favourite competitions are individual (table tennis, martial arts, chess, etc.).
team sports make you think about others so much more, for example when your a skipper sailing a small boat you gots to watch out for your crew and yo crew has to watch out for the skipper. teaching how to work together and be effective under lots of stress
Have to say always individual sports in this case. Mostly because I dislike all team sports, but also because of that lack of ambiguity in your achievements and, of course, prestige. When you work as a team you are either the star of the team or just part of the squad. Doesn't matter if you are the best defender on the pitch, or the best forward with an uncanny ability to identify or set up assists, every one is going to remember the striker, the guy who actually puts the ball in the net, maybe the goal keeper if he turns in lots of clean sheets or makes some spectacular clutch saves. Your individual feats mean nothing to the outside world at large, and the purpose of the question, I feel, is what do you think would bring you the most prestige; playing for a team dilutes the prestige across a large number of players, or it remains concentrated in a few faces who represent the team and everyone else just labors in virtual anonymity. When you compete in an individual sport you cannot be carried, and do not have to carry someone else, the achievement therefor is all your own. That might sound selfish but that is pretty much the whole reason to compete in sports at a high level, that and maybe picking up a sponsorship if you're lucky. That also means there is less ambiguity, unless it's something like singles gymnastics or fencing where judges might be in play. It s also a lot harder work for you to make an incredible achievement. The javelin thrower you mentioned who held the world record for about a minute, he must have been top of the world for that minute, best time of his life, even after being eclipsed by the next thrower I bet he's still feeling like, "ah well I was there." Both the achievement and the loss were his own, he can't say, "well I lost that world record because my team mate was out partying too hard last night," he has to own it. And I think that's really the value in singles sports you can't pass the buck, you can't blame others when things go wrong, or have glory stolen from you by the most charismatic person on the team. You have to learn to live with yourself and what you have accomplished.
In my experience, team sports either mean that I'm holding back the rest of the team or someone else on the team is holding me back (usually the former). Neither is a situation I particularly enjoy. Definitely give me individual sports if it's gonna be competitive. I'm happy enough simply being good. If someone is better, great for them. If it is competitive then I prefer being able to measure how good I am. If it's just for fun, team sports are better at that because more people can participate. And I've never really bought into this whole representing your country thing either way.
Why should a Team better represent a country than an individual??? Why does sports represent a country in general??--> What line can be drawn from the country to the single player or the team???
This is why Cross Country is a great sport. You can place first individually, but you can also place first as a team. Numbers can be a nice thing, when you want to compare to people, but just because one person has a better PR than you doesn’t mean that you can’t still beat them. There’s so much mental strength required that skill isn’t really quantifiable. Additionally, you can run either for yourself, or for the team. It’s the perfect sport.
yes, individual sports are for people how really like to do something really well, it's not about winning, it's about winning yourself... of course professional level things get different, but to me it seems many of the best (most famous at least) football player is playing the game for himself, the team is there just to help...
I am so glad that I subscribed to this channel. You are a champion UA-camr. So sorry if that embarrasses your Britishness but I as well as many others truly do think you're the best. If my praise is a bit too much for you there are wonderful psychiatric counselors about nowadays that can talk with you about those emotions you're feeling. 😜 hehe 🌜🚀
+Lindybeige "...or, if you really want to get it wrong, England." Aaaand quite priceless humour again from the beige laddie as usual. I salute you for that, Good Sir, and hereby bequeath upon you at least 1 Internets! Just to avoid any misunderstanding: I'm not Scottish, but Austrian, but I do appreciate a good jest when I hear one. :-)
Disagree with it all on the basis that one plays what one enjoys and often not for the glory of it. In this case I enjoy skateboarding and getting better at it. I would be humbled by fans and media attention but the glory would be a personal thing so in either case my preference is individual sport, skateboarding. But someone else could choose team sport, soccer and that would be just as legitimate. I think the British really shines through in Lindybeige in this video!
Depends on how many friends you have. Lots is team, none is individual glory. Then that glory improves your reputation and you win friends and could become part of a team
I can remember Andy Murray actually saying that winning the Davis Cup felt more special than winning his other trophies because he was winning as part of a team. Personally I think I'd be the same way, in normal life I find winning stuff is nearly always more satisfactory when you have other people to share the feeling with. So yeah, for that reason I'd pick the team.
A scott at Wimbledon? This reminds me of that Monty python sketch. SPOILER Aliens turn everyone into scotts, because scotts are the worst at tennis and the aliens can win that way.
I found this video really interesting. It brings up a lot of points i've never thought of. I don't have the same problems with individual sports, because I dont think most people are trying to be the best in the world. It sjust fun.
on the subject of quantifying the individual effectiveness of players in team sports, I'd like to point out that at least here in America, a very developped industry exists which tracks statistics of individual player performance, for purposes of trivia and, more importantly, monetary evaluation of their worth to prospective new teams.
I have the coordination of an apopleptic badger. But I've done the Ironman triathlon. Individual endurance events are a wonderful refuge for people like me with no sporting talent whatsoever. Great video... only wish I could kick a ball or swing a bat without jolting into an undignified heap on the ground.
When I was in college, I was told to lie on CVs and put football (or some other team sport) as my hobby. The theory being that they want to hire people who will work as a team.
Individual or collected glory? Well, it really depends on the competition, and what it allows for. But I guess... I would prefer individual glory. I'm very much the reserved type, the odd man out, last pick for shear obscurity, so in the few instances were I was a champion, rising above all my peers, it felt pretty damn good. Like this one time in my junior high school science class, my teacher offered an automatic A grade to anyone that could score above a 95% on the end of year, state issued test that reflects on the teacher's effectiveness. Only one of his students did it, and I scored a 98%. Up till then, we had butted heads, and I was failing his class. The look on his, and everyone else's face, was priceless. Vindication is sweet.
well what about rowing? the possibly most english sport in existance, a team sport and you still get a number in the time you rowed? would you do that?
Hmm, I swim, just casually, but I never go for distance or speed, I attempt to get to the furthest depth below water level without drowning. Record is ~6m, but that was in the (freezing) North Sea, as pools never go below 5m. I unfortunately have not attempted to further that record since summer of 2019, as the UK has been in lockdown (on and off) since last March, and my attempt at 8m in September lead to my untimely death from drowning. I am writing to you from the afterlife, as my physical form currently rests beneath a rock on the sea floor
There are some weird halfway house sports that make this question quite complicated. The one that immediately comes to mind is competitive swimming, where the team's goals are furthered by individual success.
Great video, As an American in Southern California I would pick wrestling, because any victories are yours, no one else could claim your victory like in a team, also I would be respected in the wrestling world but when was the last time a non wrestler ever watched a wrestling match
Am i a nerd if i thought about this for a while and then came to the conclusion "i would want to be the best speedrunner"? I don't even speedrun. Its not even about fame, just about self statisfaction of being the best in your field.
Dam Lloyd, this hit far too close to home. I used to be a competitive swimmer, but i quit because i was tired of how worthless my effort was, I had to train everyday, twice a day it was extremly time consuming, tiresome, and quite frankly boring, and in the end of the day there would always be someone who could do it faster. You either are the best of all time on most styles and distances, or you are no-one.
We need a juggling video... right now! :D I feel for you though, I taught myself juggling in '96 or possibly late '95. I only had 3 balls and 3 home-made pins, though. It took off around 2000 here in Norway, so I lost interest :P
if you consider chess a sport, that is easily the best game, the sharpest game, its a mind fight with the opposition, individual sprts are infinatly better and harder, its harder because you only have yourself to blame and if you win you know you did it on your own back, no excuses no blaming the bad defender ! chess works in brackets not numbers, they have sections based on grading and a rating is an aproximation in chess because you can play better and worse.
The thing about individual sports is that you'll have to win multiple times to actually become well known. Here in the Netherlands you'll have to get at least 5 world championship/Olympic medals with ice speed skating to get your name out of there.
There are plenty of factors that can be measured in regard to an individual's performance in a team sport. Take American football for example. You can determine how well a quarterback plays by his passer rating, his TD to INT ratio, the number of yards he has passed for, his completion percentage, the number of yards he has rushed for, the number of games he has won and so on. There are even statistics that measure a player's situational abilities. Even incredibly detailed calculated situational statistics that take empirical information and crunch it to produce various detailed metrics about a player's abilities in many different circumstances. Examples would be QBR, PFF, and EPA (WPA). The point is that it is just as easy to measure an individual's performance within a team as it is to measure an individual's performance in "individual sports". This is how a player's contribution to their respective team's performance is measured, (i.e.) their value within the team. In competition, there will always be measurements of performance, and these metrics will always be compared among the individuals or teams competing.
personally I prefer personal sport because you only have yourself to blame if you lose. If you are good then nobody can drag you down and of you are bad you don't feel bad for dragging a team down.
I agree with your arguments, but they mostly apply for sports that are also games. I'd put football and tennis in one category and relay race and javelin into another. It just happens that most team sports are also games.
When "we" won the world football thingy in 2014, I realized it didn't do a thing for me. That was sobering. All those years of shouting at the TV had finally paid off and my reaction was a flatline. I'm cured.
Offended in this episode:
- Andy Murray
- Javelineers
- Female athletes
- American football fans
- Very tall persons
Also Nadal and Federer, Phelps.
This is why fencing and sailing are such good sports. There is no 'number' defining how good you are, just a reputation.
Not entirely, because sailing is all about how you use that which happens around you, like windspeeds, wind reliability, depth of water, type of water, rules of the game (sort of traffic rules with your competitors), the specification of your boat and much more. Track times are quite different between harsh winds and soft winds, and every boat reacts differently to all of these surroundings.
what about win/loss ratio?
Could be, but ratio's show an average. That means that an average in all way - person and a one trick pony would come out at the same level, without telling much about what they're good at.
Yup, sailing speed is very changeable depending on the conditions and the course. You can handle the conditions really well, but that still won't give you a number to set yourself by
well, it's not as clear cut as sports like running, but you can still be compared to other athletes pretty well; take fencing: you could compare placements in tournaments, average score per match, rate of successful parries, rate of successful attacks, reach and speed of your lunge (and retreat) etc...
EVERY time he says "saccur", I replay the clip several times. I love how he says it, and I love how much loathing he puts into it.
There's no I in team but there's 5 in individual brilliance.
I have stolen this quote as my own, thank you
That "soccer" took me off guard. Lindy needs to make a video using only American accent.
gonavygonavy There's this fucking false stigma that annoys the fuck out of me that all Eurpeans call 'football' 'soccer'. In Ireland we call 'football' 'soccer' to distinguish between Gaelic Football and Soccer. In fact, the word 'soccer' comes from England. It's an abbreviation of 'Association Football' which became 'Asoc' for short and then 'Soccer'.
I like your tattoo. It really goes with your Nordic features
He sounded more Canadian with his "Sackerrr"
All very true, but when most people see that symbol I bet they think of Nazi's.
Well we cant change the past, that symbol is a death mark. No one should ever use.
You seem to be the most English person I've ever seen. You are my personal ambassador to England.
"Nobody can ever put a number, nobody can ever say 72, that's how good you are at football."
Isn't that exactly what the Fifa games do?
Arjen_hoi i agree
But that's all it is: *a game*
Football is also a game
Yes it's also a game and yes you can put a number on it but it's your number, or FIFA's number, not THE number.
Who's saying that the numbers FIFA uses are more correct than any others.
That's his whole point.
DrCanyonero just look at my rating, proof that fifas ratings are dogshit
I swear I could listen to you rant for hours
Hi lindybeige. I'm a fan of your videos!
I watched so many in such a short amount of time. I really enjoy your videos about history! I am originally from Newcastle so when I found out you live there I was a little shocked. I wouldn't have guessed it. I live in Japan now and it's nice to listen to your long rants as I don't really have anyone to speak English to over here so listening to your rants is really entertaining. I do have one video I would like you to consider making. Would you ever make a video about the old kingdom of Northumbria? There's not a lot of information out there but I think maybe you may know a bit about it. Thanks!
There is a number to say how good one is at playing football. It's called transfer market value just for your information. Different positions will always be perceived as differently important/skilled players like keeper=forward>midfield>clearance.
yea but thats kind of made up and relative to how the players perform at that moment. One players value depends on performance, but also on the relative performance to others. For javelin: i can throw 50m. thats how good i am. Maybe thats the world record or smth (it isnt, i know) but football players have to constantly perform, and their performance declines rapidly, while newer players perform better and faster than them, only to decline themselfs and so on.
You cant really say "yea he throws 50m, thats worth 2Million to buy" but in football, u say "he performs like 2mio, that means next year 1 Million (or maybe 3 Million if hes young)"
And just to get away from the professionals: in lower ratings, you still meassure how far one can throw (lets say 20m) and u can directly compare everyone else. But if everyone is equally bad, u dont get so much of a comparison in that part.
1 person can't represent a country but 11 can? It seems like a negligible difference to me.
Kyle Netherwood certainly when only a few of them have a real origin in the country and the others are all bought from other countries
@@workshoponwheels4936 international team members are all born in their respective countries because most countries find it immoral and unpatriotic to use people of other nationalities. the reason most countries feel this is because to buy a player from another country because they are better implies to the general public that the countrie cant find anyone good enough "for their standards" in their own country which is considered extremely unpatriotic. so your comment claiming that most international teams are made up of people of different nationalities than the country they represent is arbitrary
Now this is where you can get into a Monarchy vs. Aristocracy vs. Democracy debate.
Eh, 1 or 11 out of ~60m people is a negligible difference at that level
It cant be said that 11 are playing for themselves. As soon as you have any sort of team the atitude changes from individual glory to fighting for something greater than yourself. Like a relay or something
as a big fucking nerd this is exactly why i prefer individual sports over team sports
same
as a nerd you should be into team sports since most esports are played in teams ;)
Fabian Studer what is nerdier, CS GO or chess?
Onetwo Threefour obviously cs.go. i have never heared a chessplayer talking about lootboxes and gambling
Gnarlf
Nerd is not defined as being a gamer.
As an American, I am unusual. I am not very "sporty" as my British wife used to say. Personally, I am most impressed with knowledge, wisdom, character and skill at something useful. I feel that the American sports thing has gotten out of hand long ago.
In my family, it's the Winter Olympics that draws us to the television. We are all snow skiers and can relate to many of the winter events. But that is finite. It has an end. At least for four years. It is not our LIFE!!
Are you a good forester? A good carpenter?
Are you very good at navigation? Good. I have a couple of questions for you.
I have never been good in formal schooling situations. But I have been an arborist since the mid 1980s. And I am still studying. I am serious about being the best I can be. One benefit of this is the ability to answer the questions that come my way. Very few people can advise someone who have problems with one or two of their fruit trees -- or ornamentals. My goal is to be helpful.
Also, when someone admires my work on trees, that does it for me. The tree is benefitted and the client is happy. And when I was married, sometimes people would tell my wife that they appreciate what I did for them. That is fame enough for me.
So this also takes the "Success at Work" question away from the financial aspect. If my work is beneficial and pleasing, that does it for me and to an extent, for my wife too.
And word of mouth brings in more work, which feeds us and pays the bills.
Personally I only watch the Winter Olympics for the curling which I find surprisingly interesting after accidentally encountering it during the Vancouver Olympics in 2010.
Weirdly enough we had a 6'8" guy on my wrestling team in high school. When I asked him why he chose wrestling instead of basketball (both of those sports went on at the same time) he responded with "Same reason you chose wrestling. I don't want to be a part of a team when I compete. I want my victories and my failures to be my own."
So... Many.... Videos....
What have you done with the real Lloyd???
He's still in the tank museum
and doesn't seem to want to go out.
Olli Lappalainen lmao
well, his patreon is by the video, so it's Lindy's way of making money. I for one certainly don't mind this though, if he made one video a day I would be happy to pay $7 a week for it
+Olli Lappalainen
Yeah, somebody must have brought him his camera and provided him with an internet connection, I guess. :-)
I enjoy watching these videos while I'm working or leisure time, works both way
I'm a subscriber because you *don't* use annoying JUMP CUTS!
You must of hated Taken 3 then.... My word! 😂
So you only subscribe to people who don't do jump cuts? So....Lindy and....National Geographic? Anybody else???
Few can talk fluently and intelligently without the need for jump cuts.
Omg, thank you. I absolutely HATE the lazy jump cut trend.
Few can talk fluently and intelligently with the need for jumps cuts, too.
Oh my, I can finally disagree with you. There's nothing I hate more than teamsports, it's either my teammates are better or worse than me, which results in either me holding my team back or my team holding me back and I'm not into that. But sports like archery, though. If I win I know it's ME that did that. I didn't get carried by other 10 people around me, I shot those shots and it's ME who deserves the glory.
There are many team sports where the whole team doesn't have the same role. With football as an example you're not either holding your team back or you're better than them.
You're better at defending and some others are better at attacking.
So you're on defense and they're on offense. You compliment each other.
The question here is why is archery a teamsport if the team only competes as a bunch of separate individuals, anyway?
Kralko Velky, I used to think the same way when I was younger. Once you realize team sports are much more complex and that your own value is not diluted by the number of team members, then your ego won't be so focused on it being You that did it all.
Well football is a totally different beast in my eyes anyways, I can't stand that ''sport''.
I don't follow football but it is one of the most popular team sports and therefore a good example of a team sport where you have different roles and values to the team.
I really like the Q217 vids Lloyd. I have to say your answer to this question really surprised me. Good job
There is no number to say how good you are at football.
I see that you have never played FIFA.
Yes indeed.
Den tredje luringen ...you can't be serius....
*Football Manager
FIFA's record is about as clean as the socks in the locker rooms.
Den tredje luringen you are Swedish, rght?
"In order to prove my britishness" - you are more British than the Union Jack already.
*union flag
unless that comment was posted whilst you were at sea ;)
@@joshbrown5644 actually, that was posted three years ago
Lost it when you said ' Soccer' in your best American accent, I loved it. These questions actually produced some interesting content, but you're quite skilled at this. Always a fan!
I like boxing and basketball, but you've convinced me!
I´m doing archery for nearly 3 years, but I never really see it as an individuel sport. It´s always also about how good our teams are or how good our club is. For me the points you can reach in archery is only to give you some figures, if you are as good as in training or something like that. For me, evem archery is a team sport!
Okay... So how is tennis quantifiable?
Individual sports are much better, because when you fail, you have no one to blame but yourself. You know exactly how good/bad you are, and you can do something with it and get visibly better over time.
Huh, I guess tennis can only be rated based on how many people you have beaten and what level they are, which is then based on who they have beaten, and so on and so forth
I hate team sports because I suck at it.
But I suck at individual sports as well, so I hate sports in general.
me too, but i hate team sports more because i can let down people in those.
Imagine maths, but as a team sport. Sounds awful, regardless of how good you are at maths.
That’s how the science kids feel about sport
I have realised that my analogy is genuinely awful
I love the view of a Lindy polemic in the morning.
My opinion on this is both. I used to wrestle and in that we were part of a team, but it was us doing the actual sport with our team members cheering us on. So it was just you and your opponent. No one holding you back no one being held back just you and your skill yet still able to have the team spirit and camaraderie
Nice you are starting to make these regularly. At this rate I'm sure they should be finished in abbot 20 months.
damn lloyd is cranking these out hes spoiling us
Well put! I honestly thought you were going to say individual, but you made very good points as to why you wouldn't, and I'd say you changed my perspective too! Really enjoying this series, nice job!
love this series!
I was so bad a team sports as a kid… football, volleyball, handball, basketball I was even bad at dance. Anything that requires me to work in synchronization with others. Then gave a try into martial arts and managed to get by.
I'd choose team, I'm not into becoming a famous individual.
Although, in every other aspect I'm an individualist.
I like to play games and sports where there are no teams, why? Because I cannot fuck it up for anyone but myself.
I'm definitely a team sports guy as well. I guess this question was more about the fame bit of it. but with team sports you also get things like life time friendships and good memories.
Individual sports without 'numbers' : snooker darts boxing kickboxing mma chess tennis table tennis sailing snowboarding
Teamsports with numbers: rowing, estafette (swimming running etc), synchronejumping (diving board, but there might be more synchrone sports).
great job on this video...Thank you so much
I will be a champion of a sport without a team because I go to fencing and I am really happy so I would prefer to be a champion in it than in any other sport.
Scoring 100 before lunch at Lords, it's both! Literally 5 mins before this vid was uploaded we, well I and the other guitarist were talking about this very thing. The 'lead' (in his mind only) guitarist wants and does play all the time and over everyone else, a band is a team!
There are an awful lot of statistics published about individual contributions to team sports - cricket has a long tradition because you have time to calculate the statistics by hand during the game without missing anything, but, with modern computing power, just about anything can be tracked, calculated, and displayed on a screen before the cheers have stopped...
For any sport, if you're at world-champion level, you will have an insane amount of numerical analysis of your individual performance done.
I come from the north west of the U.S and the idea of team v.s individual will almost always go to individual. This I think is because of the homested mentality. Or "I'm going to take this thing and by my self in going to make it the best! No help needed! I don't need your charity!" this is why I think Track is so popular up here in Oregon.
please talk about the aspis shield and in particular the construction.
Hey, when you spoke individual sports, they do provide for others. They provide entertainment for those who watch!
"The english football team winning the world cup" Good one :D
Law of probability says it's bound to happen again someday. :)
It's coming home It's coming home
+MravacKid that sam law also says that the world cup will be discontinued some day.
We won the u21 world cup this year, technically thats a world cup
Harry Kane u20 World Cup
Lindy saying "soccer" is the greatest thing ever
When I was on the high school track team (age 14-18) there where mostly individual events but you where still playing for your school, if you won your individual event you got points which where added up to a total.
I think another good question along this line is whether you would want to be a famous solo musician, or a member in a famous band. I've noticed Americans tend to favor solo artist for some reason.
Going back 50 years, it's probably related to the definitive, most successful American artist being Elvis Presley and the British counterpart being the Beatles. Young people growing up in the US perhaps felt more inclined to copy Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Smokey Robinson, Fats Domino etc (note all solo names) and those in Britain copied the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and all manner of British invasion bands - which are all groups. Those early artists set a precedent and a template for future generations to follow. I'm speaking in very broad strokes but that would be my guess.
Love your point about team ! As a french I've never really felt compulsed to go for team sport, but rather individual ones (mostly martial sports), so that was quite new and interesting to me !
However I have to disagree with the point you made about not putting a value on teamplay - as some other comments seem to have pointed out - in my experience in team games (be it sports, regular life performances like groupwork or videogames), individual performance plays such a huge role that you CAN put a value on it, by all means ! A great, smart, cultivated person in a group of other cultivated persons can absolutely perform better at a given task, for instance (as in within some groupwork or tabletop/RPG)!
this is SOO insignificant! i can not imagine why this question was included in the book.
This video oddly enough reminds me of a quote from Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines, where someone says "The problem with these international affairs is that they attract foreigners."
I much prefer individual because whether I win or lose is almost completely based on my skill, where with a team sport I could be doing terribly and still win, or I could be doing better than ever and still lose miserably.
I would choose an individual sport, because winning on a team doesn't necessarily mean you are the best. A winning team often has players who are not the best at their positions, but wins anyway because they can carry those lesser players along.
However, team sports are more fun... generally.
Definitely something to be said for an individual sport. When competing you must be at your A game or you will struggle and possibly even fail.
However the bond that is created with a team though is quite something. Tricky question.
I am a simple man. I see Lindy. I click. I comment. Then i realise i suck. Rewind. Keep watching. Facepalms in between because of myself. (Keep it up thanks Lindy!)
I totally agree with the points about things like javelin not being as interesting as things that are more directly competitive. However, I think all my favourite competitions are individual (table tennis, martial arts, chess, etc.).
team sports make you think about others so much more, for example when your a skipper sailing a small boat you gots to watch out for your crew and yo crew has to watch out for the skipper. teaching how to work together and be effective under lots of stress
Have to say always individual sports in this case. Mostly because I dislike all team sports, but also because of that lack of ambiguity in your achievements and, of course, prestige. When you work as a team you are either the star of the team or just part of the squad. Doesn't matter if you are the best defender on the pitch, or the best forward with an uncanny ability to identify or set up assists, every one is going to remember the striker, the guy who actually puts the ball in the net, maybe the goal keeper if he turns in lots of clean sheets or makes some spectacular clutch saves. Your individual feats mean nothing to the outside world at large, and the purpose of the question, I feel, is what do you think would bring you the most prestige; playing for a team dilutes the prestige across a large number of players, or it remains concentrated in a few faces who represent the team and everyone else just labors in virtual anonymity.
When you compete in an individual sport you cannot be carried, and do not have to carry someone else, the achievement therefor is all your own. That might sound selfish but that is pretty much the whole reason to compete in sports at a high level, that and maybe picking up a sponsorship if you're lucky. That also means there is less ambiguity, unless it's something like singles gymnastics or fencing where judges might be in play. It s also a lot harder work for you to make an incredible achievement. The javelin thrower you mentioned who held the world record for about a minute, he must have been top of the world for that minute, best time of his life, even after being eclipsed by the next thrower I bet he's still feeling like, "ah well I was there." Both the achievement and the loss were his own, he can't say, "well I lost that world record because my team mate was out partying too hard last night," he has to own it. And I think that's really the value in singles sports you can't pass the buck, you can't blame others when things go wrong, or have glory stolen from you by the most charismatic person on the team. You have to learn to live with yourself and what you have accomplished.
In my experience, team sports either mean that I'm holding back the rest of the team or someone else on the team is holding me back (usually the former). Neither is a situation I particularly enjoy. Definitely give me individual sports if it's gonna be competitive. I'm happy enough simply being good. If someone is better, great for them. If it is competitive then I prefer being able to measure how good I am.
If it's just for fun, team sports are better at that because more people can participate.
And I've never really bought into this whole representing your country thing either way.
Rock climbing and mountaineering is a good example of this where skill can be somewhat gauged by the hardest route or mountain you've climbed.
Individual glory, even in team sports there are people who stand out and are doing it for themselves.
Why should a Team better represent a country than an individual???
Why does sports represent a country in general??--> What line can be drawn from the country to the single player or the team???
This is why Cross Country is a great sport. You can place first individually, but you can also place first as a team. Numbers can be a nice thing, when you want to compare to people, but just because one person has a better PR than you doesn’t mean that you can’t still beat them. There’s so much mental strength required that skill isn’t really quantifiable. Additionally, you can run either for yourself, or for the team. It’s the perfect sport.
As a student in secondary school I have never taken part in a sport in school as a sole player, only team sports.
yes, individual sports are for people how really like to do something really well, it's not about winning, it's about winning yourself... of course professional level things get different, but to me it seems many of the best (most famous at least) football player is playing the game for himself, the team is there just to help...
my favorite sport is motor racing, individual in the car, team in the paddock
Interesting perspective. The question does a good job of bringing out individualist vs collectivist values.
I am so glad that I subscribed to this channel. You are a champion UA-camr. So sorry if that embarrasses your Britishness but I as well as many others truly do think you're the best. If my praise is a bit too much for you there are wonderful psychiatric counselors about nowadays that can talk with you about those emotions you're feeling. 😜 hehe
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It would be nice to see a video lindy does cool juggling tricks!
+Lindybeige
"...or, if you really want to get it wrong, England."
Aaaand quite priceless humour again from the beige laddie as usual. I salute you for that, Good Sir, and hereby bequeath upon you at least 1 Internets!
Just to avoid any misunderstanding: I'm not Scottish, but Austrian, but I do appreciate a good jest when I hear one. :-)
Disagree with it all on the basis that one plays what one enjoys and often not for the glory of it. In this case I enjoy skateboarding and getting better at it. I would be humbled by fans and media attention but the glory would be a personal thing so in either case my preference is individual sport, skateboarding. But someone else could choose team sport, soccer and that would be just as legitimate.
I think the British really shines through in Lindybeige in this video!
Depends on how many friends you have. Lots is team, none is individual glory. Then that glory improves your reputation and you win friends and could become part of a team
I can remember Andy Murray actually saying that winning the Davis Cup felt more special than winning his other trophies because he was winning as part of a team. Personally I think I'd be the same way, in normal life I find winning stuff is nearly always more satisfactory when you have other people to share the feeling with. So yeah, for that reason I'd pick the team.
The best part about going for team sports is that you can still gain personal glory, *while playing for the team*. Boom!
Haha when Andy Murray wins he's British but when he loses he's Scottish
Eh, that's a myth. It was disproved here. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/34909845
A scott at Wimbledon? This reminds me of that Monty python sketch.
SPOILER
Aliens turn everyone into scotts, because scotts are the worst at tennis and the aliens can win that way.
It's not a myth, it's a joke.
psst Shadilay... I see pol likes tanks and history
gnütre günter I loved that sketch. Hoards of Scotsmen marching north with their fists in the air...
I found this video really interesting. It brings up a lot of points i've never thought of. I don't have the same problems with individual sports, because I dont think most people are trying to be the best in the world. It sjust fun.
on the subject of quantifying the individual effectiveness of players in team sports, I'd like to point out that at least here in America, a very developped industry exists which tracks statistics of individual player performance, for purposes of trivia and, more importantly, monetary evaluation of their worth to prospective new teams.
I have the coordination of an apopleptic badger. But I've done the Ironman triathlon. Individual endurance events are a wonderful refuge for people like me with no sporting talent whatsoever. Great video... only wish I could kick a ball or swing a bat without jolting into an undignified heap on the ground.
When I was in college, I was told to lie on CVs and put football (or some other team sport) as my hobby. The theory being that they want to hire people who will work as a team.
Individual or collected glory? Well, it really depends on the competition, and what it allows for. But I guess...
I would prefer individual glory. I'm very much the reserved type, the odd man out, last pick for shear obscurity, so in the few instances were I was a champion, rising above all my peers, it felt pretty damn good. Like this one time in my junior high school science class, my teacher offered an automatic A grade to anyone that could score above a 95% on the end of year, state issued test that reflects on the teacher's effectiveness. Only one of his students did it, and I scored a 98%. Up till then, we had butted heads, and I was failing his class. The look on his, and everyone else's face, was priceless. Vindication is sweet.
My personal bias is on ice hockey. A little bit faster pace and also can be played by everyone.
well what about rowing? the possibly most english sport in existance, a team sport and you still get a number in the time you rowed? would you do that?
Michael Kittler i row and it's really fucking boring. Parties are good though👍
:D then you do something wrong bro, i´ve rowed for nearly 7 year competetively and i was a lot of fun ;)
Good to hear someone is enjoying it but it's just not for me haha. Back to playing hockey again next year :D
Hmm, I swim, just casually, but I never go for distance or speed, I attempt to get to the furthest depth below water level without drowning. Record is ~6m, but that was in the (freezing) North Sea, as pools never go below 5m. I unfortunately have not attempted to further that record since summer of 2019, as the UK has been in lockdown (on and off) since last March, and my attempt at 8m in September lead to my untimely death from drowning. I am writing to you from the afterlife, as my physical form currently rests beneath a rock on the sea floor
There are some weird halfway house sports that make this question quite complicated. The one that immediately comes to mind is competitive swimming, where the team's goals are furthered by individual success.
Great video,
As an American in Southern California I would pick wrestling, because any victories are yours, no one else could claim your victory like in a team, also I would be respected in the wrestling world but when was the last time a non wrestler ever watched a wrestling match
Am i a nerd if i thought about this for a while and then came to the conclusion
"i would want to be the best speedrunner"?
I don't even speedrun.
Its not even about fame, just about self statisfaction of being the best in your field.
Dam Lloyd, this hit far too close to home.
I used to be a competitive swimmer, but i quit because i was tired of how worthless my effort was, I had to train everyday, twice a day it was extremly time consuming, tiresome, and quite frankly boring, and in the end of the day there would always be someone who could do it faster.
You either are the best of all time on most styles and distances, or you are no-one.
We need a juggling video... right now! :D
I feel for you though, I taught myself juggling in '96 or possibly late '95. I only had 3 balls and 3 home-made pins, though. It took off around 2000 here in Norway, so I lost interest :P
5am... so tired... oh wait... Another Lindybeige video? I can stay up a bit longer.
no you can't
Konrad Eklund too late
+Daleo Eaton Or is it too early?
both are fun, individual sports are about self-improvement, as in, improving that one number
if you consider chess a sport, that is easily the best game, the sharpest game, its a mind fight with the opposition, individual sprts are infinatly better and harder, its harder because you only have yourself to blame and if you win you know you did it on your own back, no excuses no blaming the bad defender ! chess works in brackets not numbers, they have sections based on grading and a rating is an aproximation in chess because you can play better and worse.
The thing about individual sports is that you'll have to win multiple times to actually become well known. Here in the Netherlands you'll have to get at least 5 world championship/Olympic medals with ice speed skating to get your name out of there.
I enjoy team sports , there is a lovely piece of orange at halftime.
In most extreme sports you're not part of a team. But everyone cheers eachother on like everyone in part of one big team
The way you said "Soccer" made my day.
There are plenty of factors that can be measured in regard to an individual's performance in a team sport. Take American football for example. You can determine how well a quarterback plays by his passer rating, his TD to INT ratio, the number of yards he has passed for, his completion percentage, the number of yards he has rushed for, the number of games he has won and so on. There are even statistics that measure a player's situational abilities. Even incredibly detailed calculated situational statistics that take empirical information and crunch it to produce various detailed metrics about a player's abilities in many different circumstances. Examples would be QBR, PFF, and EPA (WPA). The point is that it is just as easy to measure an individual's performance within a team as it is to measure an individual's performance in "individual sports". This is how a player's contribution to their respective team's performance is measured, (i.e.) their value within the team. In competition, there will always be measurements of performance, and these metrics will always be compared among the individuals or teams competing.
personally I prefer personal sport because you only have yourself to blame if you lose. If you are good then nobody can drag you down and of you are bad you don't feel bad for dragging a team down.
10 v 10 melee?
I agree with your arguments, but they mostly apply for sports that are also games. I'd put football and tennis in one category and relay race and javelin into another. It just happens that most team sports are also games.
When "we" won the world football thingy in 2014, I realized it didn't do a thing for me. That was sobering. All those years of shouting at the TV had finally paid off and my reaction was a flatline. I'm cured.
team sports generally involve being really good at multiple skills where individual track and field is being the best at a single skill