The 4 gang charger is an awesome marketing idea because it makes people go out and buy 2 more batteries because there are those annoying spaces that are always vacant. Then you have to buy more tools because you've invested in 4 batteries.
Im a technician of electronics, instrumentation/automation and control systems. I would have finished the extra year to attain my engineering class but ended up having a family and needed to get working. I sincerely enjoy your vids and information. I love doing the same type of breakdowns, except I normally do them to either repair or modify the tool/instrument! I dont have it in me to tare apart brand new expensive tools from my garage... i save that for when they start acting up! I can tell you’re quite intelligent and have a fairly in depth knowledge of a wide variety of subjects. I also enjoy the funny vocabulary. Keep it up! Thanks for the entertainment
I'm a foundry mechanic and in using this drill for the past 2 years and it's still running great even in the hardest conditions (really fine dust, drops from 2 meters and above stuff like that) my last drill was an dewalt 18v that thing lived for like 4 months than it died so I really like Hilti drills because they are just reliable and high quality tools it just works day in and day out and i take them to there limit but the Hilti doesn't seem to have a limit
Not allowed to bring brushed tools to a few refinery and gas plants here in Alberta. Brushes cause too many arcy sparkys not intrinsically safe enough.
as long as the brushes arent diarrhea hardness than in 90% or more of cases the drill will bite the dust or get lost/dropped/drowned long before you run out of brushes.. my angle grinders are the only thing i notice brush wear in and i lean on those with all of my 160lb gorilla frame... even so after 300-400 running hours on one still got just shy of half the brushleft.. not a constant rate spring though so shes gonna start shitting the bed and i cant find new brushes..
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. Is actually from Benjamin Franklin.... either way love the saying!!
3:47 ... "Likely this DeWilt, ugh, has got a slight weeble wobble at the bell end on account of the prestadigitory (sp?) malfeasance of muffin top and Clark Griswald"
It's quite clear that the drill didn't need that piece. They'll probably steal AvE's idea of removing it, call it a new and improved version, then charge even more for it.
At 18:26, bottom right of the handle where the battery slides in, just in behind of the black plastic, there's a slot molded into the plastic, looks like it would fit there.
This particular steel plate goes in front of where the gang changer switch is (the one that switches between 1-2 and 3-4). It prevents the spring underneath the switch from dislocating.
Just switched over to this drill for my competitive robotics team after our dewalts started dropping like flies. Found out about it here!! It sure is a beauty tool, thank you for putting all this info out there. Keep up the great work!
@Howard Black All it does, is short circuits the motor with a switch which connects as soon as you release the trigger. That feature is common on just about any drill, regardless of price, brand, or quality.
I used Hilti drills for years and they absolutely copped a bashing where I worked. They never missed a beat! Top drill and of course, premium price to go with it!
I had an 18V Hilti that came with my work van. I always had the latest and greatest name brand, but I was rough on tools. That Hilti just always worked, even after nosedives from a ten foot ladder. Great brand.
My old man bought his first of many Hilti's back in 1990. I served my time with it as a kid working for him, and when he died 2 years ago, the TE72 he bought back then was, and still is, as solid as ever; it works perfectly every time and I have absolutely no doubt it'll still be going strong in another 30 years. It really has done the most incredible amount of work in its life time, too - it's an absolute MACHINE! I contacted Hilti when I inherited a lot of his kit, mainly because I broke another drill being stupid, and they happily transferred them all over to me, and have agreed to honour all of their servicing and repairs in my name! They will not charge me anymore that £70 UK for "any" repair. The are not only the muts nuts for the tools they make, but they're absolutely incredible for customer service too!
If you are spending 5x too much for a product, then yah, they'll have good customer support. Also, the fact that a drill is still running after a couple decades doesn't mean much. Totally anecdotal & you could say the same about the shittiest tool around.
It's actually a very good idea to isolate the battery terminal from the welded cells. When you hammer in that battery multiple times into the drill you're not transferring that hammer force to the welds via a rigid connection. This will weaken or even break the joints or the connecting tabs via work hardening. In this solution it just slides the terminal around and no harm done.
I was walking my dog yesterday and I saw my neighbor (I've never met him) opening a big Hilti cabinet and found out he is a sells rep or something for them. Anyway, the equipment seems flat out superior to anything, I just cant afford it (I do DIY stuff, it would be like deer hunting with an F16), but if I owned a construction company, it would probably be worth the cost
I dunno man. Depends on WHO is using your tool... you gonna give that punky kid you hired as a helper a $700 tool that he could easily just misplace without even thinking? Or that journeyman whatever with 20 years in the trade? Or are you going to use it yourself? It's a gamble to me
you would need the Ingersoll Rand drills then. The rubber and plastic they use are made for greasy environment and can withstand those harsh grease cleaning solvents if you need to clean your tool.
Mate, FYI the leftover metal piece is a locating guide plate between the two clamshell moulds, just a little Easter egg for first time Lichtenstein explorers lol
Dillon Mech Nice. That's a great tool life. I still use corded drills in my shop some. I pilot with it and set with cordless. All my saws are corded... Well I got a Craftsman 19.2 volt cordless circular saw for xmas.... It struggles to cut a 2x10 so I never use it... Been using a Hitachi corded circular saw for about the past 15 years. It works good just looks like it has been blowed up by dynamite 3 to 4 times.
I am no tradesman by a long shot but I had to ask why the hell Makita would only offer 1port chargers. Felt like cheapo bullshit. I got asked by our tradie crew to please charge the Makita batteries after a fair bit of downtime and while they were out. About 20 batteries on 4 chargers. No fun.
i work as a blacksmith in denmark, and we almost exclusive use Hilti hand tools, and we have plenty of it, its nice to see someone gasm over them as much as i do.
I'd love to see test an all around strength test competition between Snapoff,Mackco,StanleMac, wrench ,,,must be 9/16 just cause..whos is harder better ect
I’ve used a LOT of Hilti tools. When it comes to big, gnarly tools like SDS Max or spline drive hammerdrills, demo hammers, metal cutting circular saws, core drills, big impacts, that sort of thing- they’re AWESOME. I think they’re essentially unrivaled in that department. Regular drill motors, small bandsaws, 1/2” or smaller impacts, angle grinders, etc.? I VASTLY prefer the 20V Dewalt and 18V Milwaukee tools. I’ve used Hilti tools of that ilk, and I have no doubt they’re certainly a far superior tool, but they’re way heavy, uncomfortable to use, and TOO perfect (the tighter tolerances make them easier to gaum up with dust, shavings, filth, slime, goo, grease, etc.) for regular construction use. In machine shops, clean environments like nukes, chemical plants, and so on, I may well change my tune, but in the shithole plants (coal powerhouses, steel mills, and such) and commercial facilities where I mostly work, the superiority of the Hilti tools is of no consequence since I can get more work done with their lesser competition. I sure do like fondling them, though...
I used a Hilti diamond core drill and it was HORRIBLE. I'd much rather use a Weka or something similar. Small drills? Seen Hilti ones fail spectacularly. They sure do have decent SDS max and concrete brakers though.
@@nikolairubinskii6450 The last core drill I used was a Weka, and it scared me to death. The first time it grabbed, it wrenched INSTANTLY out of my hands and twisted its cord off before it came to rest. I would've clutched a Hilti out against my opposite tricep til it came to rest. While the Weka seemed like a better tool (really nice build quality), it's a harder tool to use in that even my foot on the side handle didn't stand a chance, I'd HATE to use that (unusually heavy, by the way) tool in a manlift or straddling a beam or something. I'd probably treat it like a dry-core bit on a grinder; fasten some conduit or something to the tool and let it eat wedged against something. If it binds up, yank the cord, but with the Hiltis I've used, you don't have to do that, ever, because they have a good clutch.
We had hilti drills for our fleet (millwright). And we'd beat the piss out these things drilling stainless steel, dropping'em getting them wicked hot till you need stick weld gloves to hold them and dirty as all hell.Might have burned one out in my years but she'd be smoking while drilling a 1-1/4" hole through 3" stainless plate and it just wouldn't quit. wicked drill for sure.
I have an old Hilti TE-17 from the 60's that my father bought back in the day. It's seen a hell of alot of work and still works like new. Awesome stuff
Hilti are true industry-quality tools. A friend was a Hilti sales rep in the UK and was very confident selling them. I used Hilti TE17 SDS hammer drills when I was installing stadium seating in the '80s and they drilled many thousands of 10mm bolt-holes in pre-cast concrete without isssue. Apart from the flex breaking internally just by the handle, mainly due to pulling on them. I wish I could afford them now.
"Hilti" has actually become a term for those large concrete breaking tools here in Norway, because the Hilti brand has always dominated that market here.
@@COZMICTOM Just because something is made in China doesn't necessarily mean it's low quality, it depends on the specifications and standards set by the client.
Hiltis nowadays seem to be low quality compared to back then. I can tell cuz the TE-16 rotary hammer is much more reliable than the bullshit they sell now.
once I used an Hilti electric hammer.. It penetrates concrete like a korean sailor in an Hamburg's brothel.. with no resistance and disappointingly fast
EtaCarinae230 hilti hammer drillers are freaking awesome . worked for two companies that would sign out a hilti and dang would it blow through concrete. and chooched on after many ape handed apprentices.
In my country hammer drills are called "Hilti", that gives you an idea how good they are. It was pretty weird to me back when i was younger and someone says "Oh, he spent XX months working in Germany and i brought home a Makita Hilti" but now I got used to it just like everybody else
Sima, I presume that you are not in the US of America, but even in Pennsyltucky, a "Rotary Hammer" is not called a "Rotary Hammer", just called a Hilti. Having used one at work from time to time, even being cordless, (typically one battery charged by the time one is spent) and literally being dragged knee deep in mud, I completely see why its reputation precedes itself. AVE just confirms it is a inside and out that it is a Skookum Choocher, and not just "Well I've been using it for years".
Heh, yeah. My cheapy hammer drill was making no dent on some 8" concrete I was trying to drill through. Rented a Hilti hammer drill, put it to the concrete and 15 seconds later I was through. I felt kind-of cheated at an effective rate of $9600 per hour but it was worth it.
adam anthoni ford I think calling it brushed is still correct. That's like someone calling an old engine a "carburetor engine", as opposed to fuel injection, and someone getting upset, calling everyone wrong, and saying it's a 427 cubic inch "Big Block" chevy engine. I dont know about you, but I'd rather have someone call an engine a "carburetor engine" than a "non-fuel injection engine", even if they dont know the specifics of the motor they are talking about.
I've been watching some of AvE's video for a while now but it wasn't until this video and the first 27 seconds that finally made me subscribe to this channel. I like the teardown videos alot and how he can identify alot of the electronics and mechanical items. He's got alot of knowledge schmoozing out of every which hole.....
That’s literally the point of him doing these reviews, he doesn’t get them straight from the marketing department so he isn’t obliged to wank them off and tells you how it is.
Voided a few for a good video myself plus no good replacing factory problems with the same ones to just happen again so I like to fix em good and proper.
I have a Fein with the same thing. I run the thing 10 hours a day and I much prefer it. You can put more pressure into the actual twist drill without the drill shaking and twisting.
I have everything I need for work from Hilti, all battery program, expensive as hell, but worth the money, keeping all batteries in the van during the winter on -15'C and never had a problem for 6 or 7 years now. After all these years using every day still works like new every piece. Before that I had dewalt, it was ok, but Hilti is another level.
I used this for structural iron working and I was recommended this one over the brushless second gen Hilti came out with recently. I was really skeptical since it’s brushed but I walk circles around the guys with the Milwaukee drilling 9/16 in holes into I beams all day long
700 dollars for a brushed motor, plastic gearbox, sintered gears, and a charger that doesn't do concurrent charging despite them giving you 2 batteries. Meanwhile for the price one can obtain a Makita drill, a spare battery, and a charger that does both at once. And of course, with some money left over to buy something else. Like, I don't know. A whole another drill with its own battery. Feels like an iffy value proposition. I could forgive it if the 700 dollar pricetag came with all machined gears in an aluminium gearbox and enough torque to rival corded tools.
MonMalthias it's interesting how he jumped on the juicero for doing effectively the same thing, high price for a service contract/consumables. not sure why this is being treated differently. this drill has some nice features but ultimately it's the same ole same ole Chinese stuff in a nicer box. guess it's all excused because it's not for home users? I'd rather have 2, 3, 4 brushless drills for the price.
I'm pretty sure this is a sarcastic video, with the only legitimate point being at the end, whenever you would fancy a $700 drill that is painfully average with reliable warranty. Either that or AvE is experimenting and seeing how much bullshit he can feed his fans before they become sceptic about whenever it is true or not.
Honestly their cordless tools aren't that amazing but the AC powered heavy duty stuff is a whole other level. You couldn't cram more skookum inside the injection molded case without causing an explosion.
+34125867 it does seems a very out of character review in general.. hammering on the "feels good in the hand" stuff when i seem to recollect him mocking the "tools in action" guys for saying exactly the same thing. i do feel like the BS on this channel has been on the up lately.. that said it's still thousands of times better than most channels.
You guys clearly don't have the funds to justify purchasing hilti equipment. I started my career learning with this stuff, and everything i've bought for myself has fallen short of my expectations. No loss of torque when under load, never breaks, feels great in the hand, looks nice, rolls joints for me, brings me a beer.... it does it all. Couldn't get that out of a Milwaukee.
I run hilti gear, it’s never let me down. I even dropped my impact driver 21ft from a roof peak and it only split the corner of the rubber on the battery. That was 6 years ago, I can’t imagine how many fixings it has put in since. Faultless
I work at a rental shop that stocks Hilti tools for all the 250 pound gorillas in town. Most tool companies observe a 90 day rental warranty, meaning the company I work for only gets 90 days warranty after they put it in service as a rental tool. Hilti still observes their regular warranty as long as we take it to a real service center when the red light comes on.... THAT is a real tool manufacturer!
Cool! I guess you have a lot of experience with the durability and quality of various brands in that case, so I was wondering about a couple of things -- which brands do you guys carry? Which are the most durable, and which ones do you have most trouble with?
We carry products from all sorts of major tool manufacturers. If youre talking electric power tools my favorites are definitely Hilti but Dewalt and Makita do the job fine. All of my cordless power tools in the shop are Dewalt because they are lighter and easy on the wrist for all day use, sometimes I grab a Hilti off the showroom floor when I need extra power.
Brian Holdren, there is other equipment that costs us a whole lot more and we get a lot less coverage. Hilti is definitely a top end brand that charges reapectively but some Fein tools and that other really expensive EU brand take the cake when it comes to how much they charge for a tool vs commercial warranty... We dont get one
With the serialized batteries rather than parallel, I think that works better for the "I NEED THEM NOW" option. Why do you need 4 batteries all at once when you could have one in 1/4th the time?
a parallel charger isn't inherently slower though. Makita's DC18RD (double charger) charges just as fast as their standard DC18RC. And you can't run a fleet of tools with a charger that only charges one battery at a time.
Well I'd sy the main problem of this specific charger is that it is a "slow" charger ... thats why it is missing a fan. They sell them in hard boxes with fast charger that is capable of charging one battery at the time but still faster than this.
That makes sense that they are industrial focused. I've never seen anyone with a Hilti, and then I started working at a steel mill and we were given Hilti drills and we have Hilti power tools. I can confirm anytime I've needed a drill the Hitli took care of the job.
Yep. Pancakes for breakfast (extra fluffy with Maple Grove Farms Sugar Free syrup). Fried egg. Slice of Prosciutto in the frying pan, with another slice of Capocollo to make it mo' betta. Some Wally World McCaffe grind in the Drip-Drip. Then its upstairs to the Confuser... and lo and behold it's AvE! And he's doing a HILTI-whatever! by Zeus! It's going to be a good day :-) ....WHOA,OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS! ....I seriously kid you not...My wife just came in and asked me if I looked up some restaurant last night like I was supposed to, I told her I was busy at the moment (I was typing here), she gives me a kiss and says happy Anniversary! ......Whoops! Her Birthday was two days ago and I gave her a nice card and her favorite flowers.... (I forgot the anniversary card was still in the trunk). She seems OK at this moment. I'm gonna blame John Walker..... Dang, I'm dead serious again, phone call says Patio furniture to be delivered in 15 min. I can't let a delivery "interruptus" me from watching this. I'll be back in an hour.
Maybe should come with an emergency wrist- "smart" -lanyard so when it throws you over the fucking vice and into the garage door, it will call 911 for you. Great vid!
The better Hilti, Metabo, Bosch, etc modern models have electronic clutches. If the drill or grinder binds up the motor shuts off to avoid injuring your hands and arms, launching shit skyward, or cooking the magic smoke out of the motor and wiring from the current spike.
phelebas Hilt is have had that feature for a few years now...when I built elevators for a living all we would use was HILTI my partner and I actually had to go out and buy these practically bulletproof truck boxes so that no one would steal them..I mean when you're carrying oround like 10k in drills you become an overprotective mom......lol
i just got one of these with a good battery at a pawn shop for $50. its a bit crusty but it still feels nice. Now i just have to find stolen batteries and a charger for sale
The difference between a cheap tool and an expensive tool , is the amount you can use it and the punishment it can take my dad bought a Metabo drill had it for decades and gave it to me it was built in West Germany and still goes today.
I've used this drill, simple fact is its too heavy. I let any other guy that wanted it have it and i took the milwakee or makita when checking out tools. Aside from the obvious every extra few ounces add up when holding a tool over your head 6 hours in a 8 hour shift. The heavy tools are bad in commercial construction applications as most tool death is caused by drop damage anyway not wear and tear. Not to mention slightly unrelated, their cordless wood saw is a gutless waste of good material. However their cordless impact wrench would snap bolts if your not careful. Their fastener tools cant be beat, but their general construction tools seem to be awful. just my 2 cents.
I'm glad you asked. 2 days on that job we needed to drill out 3/4" holes into 3/8" plate steel and lots of them. The steel was in small plates, it was a perfect torture test. We got the plates up on blocks at our feet to pin them down and leaned into the drills. The short of it is, when drilling 3/4 holes with rapidly dullling drill bits and cordless drills we didn't notice a difference. I'm almost sure it is in fact more powerful but would you really notice it, very unlikely. I just don't want guys spending so much hard earned money on a tool just to be so disappointed. This is what I know. Hilti cordless wood saw is useless and does lack power, no balls At all. their drill and impact are heavy and noting special. They are made in china now and other brands preform equally. However their cordless 1/2" driver is badass, their concrete/demo saws are amazing, their clipped powder charge guns cannot be beat. Basic rule of thumb is if its not almost 1000$ or more Hilti cant hold their value for money. I even remember AvE saying how Hilti could not compete with the Prosoomer market because their engineers could not make tools cheap enough.
brian jones Woaah thank you so much for that detailed response! For me I don't really mind how heavy a tool is as long as it can make it up, by getting the job done faster. Saw the disappointment coming, the only brushed drill left in the prosumer market. although in Australia it's less than 50 dollars more expensive than the Milwaukee Fuel hammer drill My first tool from Hilti is their BX-3 and I can confirm, nothing comes close when it comes to fastening systems!
@AvE the rfid you took out is Hilti's way of increasing their efficiency. If you ever send it in for servicing. as the tool goes round their various benches the work log pops up on each techs screen before they even touch it. Hilti, apart from amazing quality is also second to none in repair and service on their stuff. they've repaired an sds max drill i've had since the 90's.
You're an awesome dude! love the video! Kalamazoo Michigan Loves you! Used Hilti Drills, Hammer Drills and demo hammers at work. In an industrial situation nothing else compares. When you have a tool get the flue the salesman would come by leave a loaner so you have no down time while they take the sick puppy to nurse it back to health! Great company have no complaints. Now if the homeowner with the means buys these for home use, he will be handing these down for generations!
I think you refuse to be disappointed by this drill. I have a few new Hilti cordless stuff and think makita's cordless are much nicer. Hilti service is amazing though.
I love my DeWalt range, the XR have never let me down working with heavy steel and punching that heavy steel into concrete the last 9 years. Would love to get Hilti someday almost every major lift company supply their engineers with Hilti.
Sage advice. For the average home owner, any home depot drill will do. I run a sheet metal shop, and am a journeyman hvac tech. I have owned every brand imaginable, and For me, Hilti is the only way to go. The others I had to replace every year. The Hiltis last at least 5 years, under extremely heavy use.
Sounded like a storm trooper talking. Also why are the motor vents always where you end up putting your hands? when your really leaning into something and bracing the drill to prevent your wrist from snapping when it catches. I completely cut off the air flow on one side.
hilti's drills are not supposed to break your wrist, there is an automatic stop when the drill bit gets stuck, plus they give you most of the time a big ol handle on the side so you don't really have to put your hand there
my milwuakee drills are the worst.. one vent right around the brushes and its the only place to put your hand to get any real feed pressure.. i gotta wear a welding glove if im drilling metal for more than 5 seconds.. brings the garage up to temperature in a hurry though
That little stamped steel stiffener looks like it's supposed to fit cross-ways into the slot immediately behind the top screw behind the chuck. The curve of the steel matches the curve of the top.
TheTruthRocks it's a brace doo-hickie for the plastic. My radio controller came with it also. Keeps the drill handle from twisting when you grip it and apply torque.
So what is the $700 for? Seamless over-molding? Guess those contractors are tired of the ridges on those other "cheap" tools digging into their calluses.
GraveUypo Totally right. I did work in construction for a while (Knew the owner of the company and his "main" Foreman) They taught me a lot (I went to at least 4 different jobs, different things, all in different locations) and the first lesson was, HAVE A FUCKING BACK-UP. Each guy over there would have his own Drill + Battery Back-Ups (2 usually) Charging and whoever was supervising that job would have a couple Drills and more tools as a back up if needed, whoever's been working with different tools will try to have a backup, even more if your whole job relies so much on it.
Just bought one a few weeks back because of these video. I don't know every drill out there but it is best I have ever used by far, especially for metal work.
FWIW, that BMS board inside the battery was not coated with silastic. That clear shiny stuff is called conformal coating (keeps moisture out, insulates with varying levels of thermal conductivity).
I work with automation in the process industry, and on the factories i visit in my country is seems like Hilti is the industry standard for SDS hammer drills (i dont think i have seen any other brands for hand held corded SDS drills in any factory), while Makita looks like is the industry standard for battery drills.
I’ve had a te 24 for 24 years now, love it !!! Had to replace chuck ten years ago thx to my old boss using it. 1/4” to a 2 1/2 core bit and everything in between except 11/4”.
HILTI if you are a real pro is really the tool to get. Not only do they go to your work when a tool breaks but they will give you a loaner so you are not stuck without a tool when they are fixing it. In my mind that service alone is worth it.
lol, I can buy used drills from the 50s and 60s, that are easy to fix, and buy extra parts. Made out of metal, as long as the metal doesn't break, all other parts can be easily replaced. Still cost less than 700 and can be fixed in 15 minutes.
What good is it to have a 4 gang battery charger when it still only charges one at a time? What happens when you're number 4 waiting for it to cycle its way down to number 4 for number 2 and someone plugs a battery back into slot number 1? Will battery number 1 get charged before numbers 3 and 4?
The only tools that constantly broke down in our shop are hilti tools. At least from my experience, Makita are perfectly reliable. So long as you don't ask the pixies to rave for an hour straight.
The electric braking function just electrically connects the two wires out of the motor and allows the back emf to slow the motor. You can try it by grabbing a dc motor, turn the shaft by hand and then try again after joining the wires. It’s much harder.
Probably not, that hilti has a lap wound 4 pole motor with 4 physical brushes. It's a deliberately slow, double-the-torque motor and the tool itself has a completely analog transmission with 4 physical speeds, the transmission can probably only be turned efficiently with that motor Is there a way to reasonably double the torque on a brushless motor and still have it fit in a handheld?
Thank you very much for this video, I watched it awhile ago and used it as a reference yesterxay when taking mine apart to clean after a bunch of masonry dust and crap in it. Lol lent it out big mistake haha. Keep the great videos coming, love the commentary!
I bought one of these about 10 years + ago. On my second chuck and second battery. We use it for screws and mixing plaster, still going. Worth every penny. The hard case it comes in is still going as well.
Today I realized that one of the only reasons I can appreciate fully the absolute treasure that is my grandpa's old machinist toolbox is your videos. Not this one so much, but so many. I shall get a premium T to celebate by. Rather, to celebrate you.
AvE, you have to take a look at Fein ASCM 18 QM. Full metal gearbox, 4 gears and 3850 rpm on 4th gear. The best machine on the market for metal working.
I looked at getting one of them 4 way chargers but the batteries do not take long to charge so i went with the single one. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Kind of a shame you didn't take it apart. As I commented on the makita video I have had my own Hilit cordless drill apart and it has a couple of interesting features under the hood. I'll see if I can't copy that comment here. I had my 12v hilti drill apart not too long ago, I'll write some of my findings down below. The gearbox is plastic as well, but it had different glass fiber contents, 50% and 46% to be exact The chuck is a very nice ratcheting Jacobs chuck with carbide teeth (I read the carbide teeth in a parts list somewhere) The switch has two audible-tactile steps, one for engaging the variable speed and one for full jam The old (NiCad) batteries were toast so I wacked a LiPo pack in there with a plenty high enough draw rating, it's got a lot more kick now The clutch that connects the gearbox and the chuck has 3 prongs instead of 2 and the dogs drive 3 pins (6 pins in total). The adjustable clutch spring has a square cross section and has a lot more meat than any other drill I've seen apart so far. If I had to guess it has twice the mass of the spring of the makita in this video. And it's also red
And to be honest getting these gearboxes back together isn't that complicated if you lay the parts down roughly in the order that they came out. I understand why you're not comfortable doing it though, I got mine for real cheap while you did pay full price.
The little RFID tag might be for inventory control not for theft prevention. Hilti has a fancy feature called ON!TRACK Asset Management. I'm betting that tag is used in that system.
That system is Bluetooth those rfid tags are all for thief control. There is no rfid tech that can sense any farther away than a few inches which would be totally useless for any kind of tracking.
I'm about to pick up the SF 6H-A22 and SID 22-A combo kit from the Homeless Despot. I cannot wait! I hear amazing things about the hammer drill. You've convinced me that Hilti is a cut above the competition. We'll see how it compares to my current Metabo 18v impact.
The battery charger probably charges batteries one at a time so that you get a single fully charged battery as quickly as possible rather than 2 or 3 partially charged batteries.
That, and the cost of a power supply capable of charging all four at once would increase the cost of the charger significantly, when really, you just need one battery now and another one later.
I think the bottom section of the battery case is flexible is because it will absorb drop force. It’s the likeliest place the drill would land first. The drill sounds great but I hate that design. Looks like a harbor freight design made by a Bugatti factory. Still want it.
Your an idiot
xD Every. Damn. Time. It's three words David.
AvE your a fucking idiot better for you .
BWAHAHAHA. Welcome to the internet folks.
Funny... thanks for that. Half a million people think you're pretty great.
+David Boyle And you're illiterate
I have learned from AvE that outside beauty isn't everything. The inside can be beautiful as well. As long as it's glass fiber reinforced...
"That's what SHE said!..."
and dont forget both sides need to fit together nicely. It might take some time to find the right fit, but once you do keep that 1.
30% of course
So you have a glassfiber woman?
Those are a words of a worthy man or a proper woman. What ever you prefer.
The 4 gang charger is an awesome marketing idea because it makes people go out and buy 2 more batteries because there are those annoying spaces that are always vacant. Then you have to buy more tools because you've invested in 4 batteries.
footrotdog "genius!"
footrotdog Hilti- Well played for the obsessive compulsive in all of us.
footrotdog you need to buy 3 more batteries because with one being in the tool that leaves 3 open spots
footrotdog well if you buy 2 more tools they come with batteries.... 1400$ later
That'd be the case if this was DeWinkle. This is Hilti. As AvE says this is marketed towards big consumer.
Im a technician of electronics, instrumentation/automation and control systems. I would have finished the extra year to attain my engineering class but ended up having a family and needed to get working. I sincerely enjoy your vids and information. I love doing the same type of breakdowns, except I normally do them to either repair or modify the tool/instrument! I dont have it in me to tare apart brand new expensive tools from my garage... i save that for when they start acting up! I can tell you’re quite intelligent and have a fairly in depth knowledge of a wide variety of subjects. I also enjoy the funny vocabulary. Keep it up! Thanks for the entertainment
Whats the big deal? $700 Canadian is only about $27.50 US.
The joke ------------>
Your head
way over... gone... whoosh. there it goes...
The joke is tired
Canada's gonna want to grab some sunscreen so it doesn't get so damn burned in the future.
Less than 11euro
"What they save in packaging, they pass on to their profit margin!". Classic. Less than I minute in, already hilarious.
I'm a foundry mechanic and in using this drill for the past 2 years and it's still running great even in the hardest conditions (really fine dust, drops from 2 meters and above stuff like that) my last drill was an dewalt 18v that thing lived for like 4 months than it died so I really like Hilti drills because they are just reliable and high quality tools it just works day in and day out and i take them to there limit but the Hilti doesn't seem to have a limit
Sometimes I wonder if the engineers secretly hope AvE is going to open their work up and give them the praise they deserve.
Not allowed to bring brushed tools to a few refinery and gas plants here in Alberta. Brushes cause too many arcy sparkys not intrinsically safe enough.
Ah but who needs safety
that has to be a new concept. as well as costly, eh?
Ours in edson allowed brushed tools
aka ex proofed
They have a brushless drill too, although it's only a 12V
Incredible to hear a professional speak about a topic they so fluently understand.
RE: brush spring. As the brush wears down, the spring will move towards the opposite edge of the brush.
Wayne Bengtsson good point
as long as the brushes arent diarrhea hardness than in 90% or more of cases the drill will bite the dust or get lost/dropped/drowned long before you run out of brushes.. my angle grinders are the only thing i notice brush wear in and i lean on those with all of my 160lb gorilla frame... even so after 300-400 running hours on one still got just shy of half the brushleft.. not a constant rate spring though so shes gonna start shitting the bed and i cant find new brushes..
"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after low pricing is forgotten." Leon M. Cautillo
Will Man this is just a paraphrase of Ben Franklin.
@@cameronmcleod7740 Still true tho. Say it enough and we can quote you!
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. Is actually from Benjamin Franklin.... either way love the saying!!
Tim Wohlford true enough. Buy once, buy for life.
The manufacturers of the cheeply made ...loves a society who accepts the disposable...Rather than sell you one for life
They’ll sell you many
That sticker was an RFID tag, Hilti uses it to keep track of their inventory in their supply chain.
Came here for this. The pink ?
@@Nick-hz7zo he's covering the serial number. It's just tape.
@@alexanderbuckland Thank you! Makes good sense.
@@alexanderbuckland HPHT
3:47 ...
"Likely this DeWilt, ugh, has got a slight weeble wobble at the bell end on account of the prestadigitory (sp?) malfeasance of muffin top and Clark Griswald"
?..why type a comment repeating whats said in the vidjayo,..now,go clean up yr room.
Thats highly ranked operator techno jargon. You have to be level G13 authorized to understand
Yea it's a wobbler 🤔
@@danielhall1226 I love when a G13 be comin around
Left over parts just means you made it better.
Berserker 42 more streamlined for the lightweight chooching
It's quite clear that the drill didn't need that piece.
They'll probably steal AvE's idea of removing it, call it a new and improved version, then charge even more for it.
I call those "optional parts". If it works without them, it obviously didn't need them.
At 18:26, bottom right of the handle where the battery slides in, just in behind of the black plastic, there's a slot molded into the plastic, looks like it would fit there.
This particular steel plate goes in front of where the gang changer switch is (the one that switches between 1-2 and 3-4). It prevents the spring underneath the switch from dislocating.
Just switched over to this drill for my competitive robotics team after our dewalts started dropping like flies. Found out about it here!! It sure is a beauty tool, thank you for putting all this info out there. Keep up the great work!
Left over parts are just the tool gods' way of saying thank you for your sacrifice.
Hand Tool Rescue Love your videos man!
😂😂😂
@Howard Black All it does, is short circuits the motor with a switch which connects as soon as you release the trigger. That feature is common on just about any drill, regardless of price, brand, or quality.
*God's**
@@AutodidactEngineer Not if he's a Hindu it's not.
I used Hilti drills for years and they absolutely copped a bashing where I worked. They never missed a beat! Top drill and of course, premium price to go with it!
I had an 18V Hilti that came with my work van. I always had the latest and greatest name brand, but I was rough on tools. That Hilti just always worked, even after nosedives from a ten foot ladder. Great brand.
My old man bought his first of many Hilti's back in 1990. I served my time with it as a kid working for him, and when he died 2 years ago, the TE72 he bought back then was, and still is, as solid as ever; it works perfectly every time and I have absolutely no doubt it'll still be going strong in another 30 years. It really has done the most incredible amount of work in its life time, too - it's an absolute MACHINE! I contacted Hilti when I inherited a lot of his kit, mainly because I broke another drill being stupid, and they happily transferred them all over to me, and have agreed to honour all of their servicing and repairs in my name! They will not charge me anymore that £70 UK for "any" repair. The are not only the muts nuts for the tools they make, but they're absolutely incredible for customer service too!
So the cost of you getting your Hilti repaired, under warranty, cost at minimum, the same as a new DeWalt. Thanks - Lumpy
If you are spending 5x too much for a product, then yah, they'll have good customer support.
Also, the fact that a drill is still running after a couple decades doesn't mean much. Totally anecdotal & you could say the same about the shittiest tool around.
There is no way that the battery and other tech is nearly as good as something modern
Brandon; you said: OLD Craftsman... and by OLD, it must have been at least MORE than 30 years ago.
Brandon S
At K-Mart? Isn’t Craftsman a Sears product?
It's actually a very good idea to isolate the battery terminal from the welded cells. When you hammer in that battery multiple times into the drill you're not transferring that hammer force to the welds via a rigid connection. This will weaken or even break the joints or the connecting tabs via work hardening. In this solution it just slides the terminal around and no harm done.
Do you mean using the drill as a hammer? Lol
Because I think every carpenter in the world does that
Wife- what ya laughing at? Me- drill reviews.. Wife- Ill be at my mom's. . I'm taking the kids too.
Good one
She ever come back?
win-win
Who knew it would be that easy 😅 I kid, I kid
But honey, look at the service factor!!! Honey?? Check out the glass fiber reinforced shell with this gorgeous over molding…
I was walking my dog yesterday and I saw my neighbor (I've never met him) opening a big Hilti cabinet and found out he is a sells rep or something for them. Anyway, the equipment seems flat out superior to anything, I just cant afford it (I do DIY stuff, it would be like deer hunting with an F16), but if I owned a construction company, it would probably be worth the cost
"deer hunting with an F-16" lol
I dunno man. Depends on WHO is using your tool... you gonna give that punky kid you hired as a helper a $700 tool that he could easily just misplace without even thinking? Or that journeyman whatever with 20 years in the trade? Or are you going to use it yourself? It's a gamble to me
@@MrTacolover42 I remember when I was the punky helper kid helper kid who set the drill down in terrible's places and would forget.
Ave needs his own line of high quality tools
Everything is 100% glass fiber reinforced
10k Candadian Kopeks per tool, but they'd never wear out
@@BespokeCarpentry with cuntstan targlide
@@benshell8662 they can only wear in like a good raw-hide speedo. (also expensive but worth it.)
Ones that can survive at least 4 30 foot drops lol
I work in a heavy duty truck shop. I wish someone would manufacture cordless tools without the over molding. The rubber gets impregnated with grease.
mission772 Same here, my Snap-On Cordless Impact is ruined aesthetic wise. looks like shit after greasy torture.
mission772 I have a crappy old Makita that I use as my electric screw driver that lacks any rubber over molding, it is a 9222D,
you would need the Ingersoll Rand drills then. The rubber and plastic they use are made for greasy environment and can withstand those harsh grease cleaning solvents if you need to clean your tool.
Clean with carb cleaner
I’m gonna go polish my tool now. That means 2 things....
Mate, FYI the leftover metal piece is a locating guide plate between the two clamshell moulds, just a little Easter egg for first time Lichtenstein explorers lol
Hilti makes quality tools, but no way would I pay $600-$700 for a drill with 2 batteries and a charger. I'll keep my cordless Milwaukee hammer drill.
BoltaVS I to have the premium brushless M18 hammer drill with impact driver kit. Impact has 4 settings and 1800 inch lbs. This set is amazing.
BoltaVS I agree, love their batteries.
Got a 30 year old makita that has built houses, plural, got over cordless a long time ago.
Dillon Mech Nice. That's a great tool life. I still use corded drills in my shop some. I pilot with it and set with cordless. All my saws are corded... Well I got a Craftsman 19.2 volt cordless circular saw for xmas.... It struggles to cut a 2x10 so I never use it... Been using a Hitachi corded circular saw for about the past 15 years. It works good just looks like it has been blowed up by dynamite 3 to 4 times.
Nothing like a skill worm drive mag but. Iv got a 18" makita beam saw too, scares the sh*t out of me every time i use it!!!
In their demo they showed that charger charging 2 batteries simultaneously by placing one on each ends. (1 0 0 1) config.
@@douglasward718 Are you having a stroke?
Last time I checked they work equally well for cranking a four stroke too. And vibrators....can't forget about the noisy dildos.
I am no tradesman by a long shot but I had to ask why the hell Makita would only offer 1port chargers. Felt like cheapo bullshit. I got asked by our tradie crew to please charge the Makita batteries after a fair bit of downtime and while they were out. About 20 batteries on 4 chargers. No fun.
@@fwoibles both of my makita tools have came with a double charger?
@@fwoibles there are 2 and 4 port Makita chargers
i work as a blacksmith in denmark, and we almost exclusive use Hilti hand tools, and we have plenty of it, its nice to see someone gasm over them as much as i do.
I'm bestman at a church wedding, would it be wrong to watch this, ceremony about to start...
Please extend my congrats to the groom. Don't forget the ring eh.
Still on UA-cam? lmbo
I'm here putting off going and getting a 6 v tractor running. Killing time
I'd love to see test an all around strength test competition between Snapoff,Mackco,StanleMac, wrench ,,,must be 9/16 just cause..whos is harder better ect
Earphones.
I’ve used a LOT of Hilti tools. When it comes to big, gnarly tools like SDS Max or spline drive hammerdrills, demo hammers, metal cutting circular saws, core drills, big impacts, that sort of thing- they’re AWESOME. I think they’re essentially unrivaled in that department.
Regular drill motors, small bandsaws, 1/2” or smaller impacts, angle grinders, etc.? I VASTLY prefer the 20V Dewalt and 18V Milwaukee tools. I’ve used Hilti tools of that ilk, and I have no doubt they’re certainly a far superior tool, but they’re way heavy, uncomfortable to use, and TOO perfect (the tighter tolerances make them easier to gaum up with dust, shavings, filth, slime, goo, grease, etc.) for regular construction use.
In machine shops, clean environments like nukes, chemical plants, and so on, I may well change my tune, but in the shithole plants (coal powerhouses, steel mills, and such) and commercial facilities where I mostly work, the superiority of the Hilti tools is of no consequence since I can get more work done with their lesser competition. I sure do like fondling them, though...
I used a Hilti diamond core drill and it was HORRIBLE. I'd much rather use a Weka or something similar. Small drills? Seen Hilti ones fail spectacularly. They sure do have decent SDS max and concrete brakers though.
@@nikolairubinskii6450 The last core drill I used was a Weka, and it scared me to death. The first time it grabbed, it wrenched INSTANTLY out of my hands and twisted its cord off before it came to rest. I would've clutched a Hilti out against my opposite tricep til it came to rest. While the Weka seemed like a better tool (really nice build quality), it's a harder tool to use in that even my foot on the side handle didn't stand a chance, I'd HATE to use that (unusually heavy, by the way) tool in a manlift or straddling a beam or something. I'd probably treat it like a dry-core bit on a grinder; fasten some conduit or something to the tool and let it eat wedged against something. If it binds up, yank the cord, but with the Hiltis I've used, you don't have to do that, ever, because they have a good clutch.
We had hilti drills for our fleet (millwright). And we'd beat the piss out these things drilling stainless steel, dropping'em getting them wicked hot till you need stick weld gloves to hold them and dirty as all hell.Might have burned one out in my years but she'd be smoking while drilling a 1-1/4" hole through 3" stainless plate and it just wouldn't quit. wicked drill for sure.
I have an old Hilti TE-17 from the 60's that my father bought back in the day. It's seen a hell of alot of work and still works like new. Awesome stuff
isnt the brush spring moving through an arc , so as the brushes ware the spring slides from the edge to the centre ?
philip wakeham these things are true.
Hilti are true industry-quality tools. A friend was a Hilti sales rep in the UK and was very confident selling them. I used Hilti TE17 SDS hammer drills when I was installing stadium seating in the '80s and they drilled many thousands of 10mm bolt-holes in pre-cast concrete without isssue. Apart from the flex breaking internally just by the handle, mainly due to pulling on them. I wish I could afford them now.
IT CAN'T BE THAT GOOD WITH PARTS FROM CHINA
"Hilti" has actually become a term for those large concrete breaking tools here in Norway, because the Hilti brand has always dominated that market here.
@@COZMICTOM Just because something is made in China doesn't necessarily mean it's low quality, it depends on the specifications and standards set by the client.
Hiltis nowadays seem to be low quality compared to back then. I can tell cuz the TE-16 rotary hammer is much more reliable than the bullshit they sell now.
@@hakont.4960 In the Balkans, hammer drills are called "hiltis" for the same reason. :)
once I used an Hilti electric hammer.. It penetrates concrete like a korean sailor in an Hamburg's brothel.. with no resistance and disappointingly fast
EtaCarinae230 hilti hammer drillers are freaking awesome . worked for two companies that would sign out a hilti and dang would it blow through concrete. and chooched on after many ape handed apprentices.
In my country hammer drills are called "Hilti", that gives you an idea how good they are.
It was pretty weird to me back when i was younger and someone says "Oh, he spent XX months working in Germany and i brought home a Makita Hilti" but now I got used to it just like everybody else
Sima, I presume that you are not in the US of America, but even in Pennsyltucky, a "Rotary Hammer" is not called a "Rotary Hammer", just called a Hilti.
Having used one at work from time to time, even being cordless, (typically one battery charged by the time one is spent) and literally being dragged knee deep in mud, I completely see why its reputation precedes itself. AVE just confirms it is a inside and out that it is a Skookum Choocher, and not just "Well I've been using it for years".
Sounds like my experience, A big hammer drill that almost fell through the concrete floor while drilling a 1 inch hole. Good stuff!
Heh, yeah. My cheapy hammer drill was making no dent on some 8" concrete I was trying to drill through. Rented a Hilti hammer drill, put it to the concrete and 15 seconds later I was through. I felt kind-of cheated at an effective rate of $9600 per hour but it was worth it.
im no enginerd but i would say a non-brush-less may just be called a brushed?
Irregardlessly you're correct
Wrong. It's called a (number of brushes) pole DC motor.
In this case, a 4 pole DC motor
adam anthoni ford
good to know
adam anthoni ford I think calling it brushed is still correct. That's like someone calling an old engine a "carburetor engine", as opposed to fuel injection, and someone getting upset, calling everyone wrong, and saying it's a 427 cubic inch "Big Block" chevy engine.
I dont know about you, but I'd rather have someone call an engine a "carburetor engine" than a "non-fuel injection engine", even if they dont know the specifics of the motor they are talking about.
so that's why your not. Magnetic induction.
I've been watching some of AvE's video for a while now but it wasn't until this video and the first 27 seconds that finally made me subscribe to this channel. I like the teardown videos alot and how he can identify alot of the electronics and mechanical items. He's got alot of knowledge schmoozing out of every which hole.....
buys tool.
voids warranty.
@Jaybird they dont. He buys them
That’s literally the point of him doing these reviews, he doesn’t get them straight from the marketing department so he isn’t obliged to wank them off and tells you how it is.
He'd just fix it himself if it broke anyway. The chances of it just being a resolder or dropping in a new battery cell are pretty high
Voided a few for a good video myself plus no good replacing factory problems with the same ones to just happen again so I like to fix em good and proper.
In this video, AvE learns about the problems with the weird Glock grip angle.
I was thinking the same thing!
I have a Fein with the same thing. I run the thing 10 hours a day and I much prefer it. You can put more pressure into the actual twist drill without the drill shaking and twisting.
I have everything I need for work from Hilti, all battery program, expensive as hell, but worth the money, keeping all batteries in the van during the winter on -15'C and never had a problem for 6 or 7 years now. After all these years using every day still works like new every piece. Before that I had dewalt, it was ok, but Hilti is another level.
I used this for structural iron working and I was recommended this one over the brushless second gen Hilti came out with recently. I was really skeptical since it’s brushed but I walk circles around the guys with the Milwaukee drilling 9/16 in holes into I beams all day long
700 dollars for a brushed motor, plastic gearbox, sintered gears, and a charger that doesn't do concurrent charging despite them giving you 2 batteries. Meanwhile for the price one can obtain a Makita drill, a spare battery, and a charger that does both at once. And of course, with some money left over to buy something else. Like, I don't know. A whole another drill with its own battery. Feels like an iffy value proposition. I could forgive it if the 700 dollar pricetag came with all machined gears in an aluminium gearbox and enough torque to rival corded tools.
MonMalthias it's interesting how he jumped on the juicero for doing effectively the same thing, high price for a service contract/consumables. not sure why this is being treated differently. this drill has some nice features but ultimately it's the same ole same ole Chinese stuff in a nicer box. guess it's all excused because it's not for home users? I'd rather have 2, 3, 4 brushless drills for the price.
I'm pretty sure this is a sarcastic video, with the only legitimate point being at the end, whenever you would fancy a $700 drill that is painfully average with reliable warranty. Either that or AvE is experimenting and seeing how much bullshit he can feed his fans before they become sceptic about whenever it is true or not.
Honestly their cordless tools aren't that amazing but the AC powered heavy duty stuff is a whole other level. You couldn't cram more skookum inside the injection molded case without causing an explosion.
+34125867 it does seems a very out of character review in general.. hammering on the "feels good in the hand" stuff when i seem to recollect him mocking the "tools in action" guys for saying exactly the same thing. i do feel like the BS on this channel has been on the up lately.. that said it's still thousands of times better than most channels.
You guys clearly don't have the funds to justify purchasing hilti equipment. I started my career learning with this stuff, and everything i've bought for myself has fallen short of my expectations. No loss of torque when under load, never breaks, feels great in the hand, looks nice, rolls joints for me, brings me a beer.... it does it all. Couldn't get that out of a Milwaukee.
I run hilti gear, it’s never let me down. I even dropped my impact driver 21ft from a roof peak and it only split the corner of the rubber on the battery. That was 6 years ago, I can’t imagine how many fixings it has put in since. Faultless
I work at a rental shop that stocks Hilti tools for all the 250 pound gorillas in town. Most tool companies observe a 90 day rental warranty, meaning the company I work for only gets 90 days warranty after they put it in service as a rental tool.
Hilti still observes their regular warranty as long as we take it to a real service center when the red light comes on.... THAT is a real tool manufacturer!
I have used hilti for years and when I have had to take one back it's been sorted with no problems and quick. That's what you are paying for
Cool! I guess you have a lot of experience with the durability and quality of various brands in that case, so I was wondering about a couple of things -- which brands do you guys carry? Which are the most durable, and which ones do you have most trouble with?
We carry products from all sorts of major tool manufacturers. If youre talking electric power tools my favorites are definitely Hilti but Dewalt and Makita do the job fine. All of my cordless power tools in the shop are Dewalt because they are lighter and easy on the wrist for all day use, sometimes I grab a Hilti off the showroom floor when I need extra power.
Brian Holdren, there is other equipment that costs us a whole lot more and we get a lot less coverage. Hilti is definitely a top end brand that charges reapectively but some Fein tools and that other really expensive EU brand take the cake when it comes to how much they charge for a tool vs commercial warranty... We dont get one
Festool being the other really expensive EU brand I guess?
With the serialized batteries rather than parallel, I think that works better for the "I NEED THEM NOW" option. Why do you need 4 batteries all at once when you could have one in 1/4th the time?
a parallel charger isn't inherently slower though.
Makita's DC18RD (double charger) charges just as fast as their standard DC18RC.
And you can't run a fleet of tools with a charger that only charges one battery at a time.
have you ever used a parallel charger. they charge at the same speed as a normal charger but just charging more batteries
@@mbs6585 it seems he hasn't, he isn't familiar with electricity
I haven't seen a major brand sell a parallel charger, they're all serialized AFAIK
Well I'd sy the main problem of this specific charger is that it is a "slow" charger ... thats why it is missing a fan. They sell them in hard boxes with fast charger that is capable of charging one battery at the time but still faster than this.
That makes sense that they are industrial focused. I've never seen anyone with a Hilti, and then I started working at a steel mill and we were given Hilti drills and we have Hilti power tools. I can confirm anytime I've needed a drill the Hitli took care of the job.
Nothing better than a fresh hot cup of AvE on a Saturday morning.
Yep. Pancakes for breakfast (extra fluffy with Maple Grove Farms Sugar Free syrup). Fried egg. Slice of Prosciutto in the frying pan, with another slice of Capocollo to make it mo' betta. Some Wally World McCaffe grind in the Drip-Drip. Then its upstairs to the Confuser... and lo and behold it's AvE! And he's doing a HILTI-whatever! by Zeus! It's going to be a good day :-) ....WHOA,OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS! ....I seriously kid you not...My wife just came in and asked me if I looked up some restaurant last night like I was supposed to, I told her I was busy at the moment (I was typing here), she gives me a kiss and says happy Anniversary! ......Whoops! Her Birthday was two days ago and I gave her a nice card and her favorite flowers.... (I forgot the anniversary card was still in the trunk). She seems OK at this moment. I'm gonna blame John Walker..... Dang, I'm dead serious again, phone call says Patio furniture to be delivered in 15 min. I can't let a delivery "interruptus" me from watching this. I'll be back in an hour.
Dan it is known
Maybe should come with an emergency wrist- "smart" -lanyard so when it throws you over the fucking vice and into the garage door, it will call 911 for you.
Great vid!
The better Hilti, Metabo, Bosch, etc modern models have electronic clutches. If the drill or grinder binds up the motor shuts off to avoid injuring your hands and arms, launching shit skyward, or cooking the magic smoke out of the motor and wiring from the current spike.
Their newest cordless drill has an auto shutoff for when it hooks up.
phelebas Hilt is have had that feature for a few years now...when I built elevators for a living all we would use was HILTI my partner and I actually had to go out and buy these practically bulletproof truck boxes so that no one would steal them..I mean when you're carrying oround like 10k in drills you become an overprotective mom......lol
i just got one of these with a good battery at a pawn shop for $50. its a bit crusty but it still feels nice. Now i just have to find stolen batteries and a charger for sale
Boltr .... Home of the "I didn't need that warranty anyway"
The difference between a cheap tool and an expensive tool , is the amount you can use it and the punishment it can take my dad bought a Metabo drill had it for decades and gave it to me it was built in West Germany and still goes today.
What do you mean 'goes'? Sounds like a made up word. Does it mean anything like chooch?
I've been using Hilti for 40 years and have rarely ever had a problem
I've used this drill, simple fact is its too heavy. I let any other guy that wanted it have it and i took the milwakee or makita when checking out tools. Aside from the obvious every extra few ounces add up when holding a tool over your head 6 hours in a 8 hour shift. The heavy tools are bad in commercial construction applications as most tool death is caused by drop damage anyway not wear and tear. Not to mention slightly unrelated, their cordless wood saw is a gutless waste of good material. However their cordless impact wrench would snap bolts if your not careful. Their fastener tools cant be beat, but their general construction tools seem to be awful. just my 2 cents.
brian jones But which one is more powerful?😉
I'm glad you asked. 2 days on that job we needed to drill out 3/4" holes into 3/8" plate steel and lots of them. The steel was in small plates, it was a perfect torture test. We got the plates up on blocks at our feet to pin them down and leaned into the drills. The short of it is, when drilling 3/4 holes with rapidly dullling drill bits and cordless drills we didn't notice a difference. I'm almost sure it is in fact more powerful but would you really notice it, very unlikely. I just don't want guys spending so much hard earned money on a tool just to be so disappointed. This is what I know. Hilti cordless wood saw is useless and does lack power, no balls At all. their drill and impact are heavy and noting special. They are made in china now and other brands preform equally. However their cordless 1/2" driver is badass, their concrete/demo saws are amazing, their clipped powder charge guns cannot be beat. Basic rule of thumb is if its not almost 1000$ or more Hilti cant hold their value for money. I even remember AvE saying how Hilti could not compete with the Prosoomer market because their engineers could not make tools cheap enough.
brian jones Woaah thank you so much for that detailed response!
For me I don't really mind how heavy a tool is as long as it can make it up, by getting the job done faster. Saw the disappointment coming, the only brushed drill left in the prosumer market. although in Australia it's less than 50 dollars more expensive than the Milwaukee Fuel hammer drill
My first tool from Hilti is their BX-3 and I can confirm, nothing comes close when it comes to fastening systems!
when it's to heavy, you can always chose the lighter version of the drill
@AvE the rfid you took out is Hilti's way of increasing their efficiency.
If you ever send it in for servicing. as the tool goes round their various benches the work log pops up on each techs screen before they even touch it.
Hilti, apart from amazing quality is also second to none in repair and service on their stuff. they've repaired an sds max drill i've had since the 90's.
You're an awesome dude! love the video! Kalamazoo Michigan Loves you! Used Hilti Drills, Hammer Drills and demo hammers at work. In an industrial situation nothing else compares. When you have a tool get the flue the salesman would come by leave a loaner so you have no down time while they take the sick puppy to nurse it back to health! Great company have no complaints. Now if the homeowner with the means buys these for home use, he will be handing these down for generations!
Despite having watched this video 3 times already im watching it a fourth to make me feel better about the gaping hole in my wallet
I think you refuse to be disappointed by this drill. I have a few new Hilti cordless stuff and think makita's cordless are much nicer. Hilti service is amazing though.
Not that makita are bad in any way
“ribbed for her pleasure not for his”
- ave
😂🤣
Just turn it inside out 😜
17:00 "And don't f*cking tell me: Just take pictures."
"It doesn't work when the part goes flying away!"
F*ck yeah, finally someone with a brain :D
Nice hot pink tape on the side, did the drill fall off the back of a large and branded fleet stack? (or is it unique serial number or similar?)
Sean N serial # is used to register the tool on the internet for the warranty.
He didn't want Hilti to void his warranty because he took it apart.
All they have to look out for is the one that's missing the useless metal insert
He put it back in place. What they really have to look after is the magnetic adhesive thing inside
ttiization the silver sticker is an rfid tag for warranty verification. I worked for hilti for 11 years
This is the best tool related, no, best overall channel ive come across. You could legit do standup
You know what would be great. If you made a video tearing down something like this versus a makita side by each so we can see the difference.
@Brandon S because hes funny when he says things. His commentary on the differences would be funnier.
I love my DeWalt range, the XR have never let me down working with heavy steel and punching that heavy steel into concrete the last 9 years. Would love to get Hilti someday almost every major lift company supply their engineers with Hilti.
Sage advice. For the average home owner, any home depot drill will do. I run a sheet metal shop, and am a journeyman hvac tech. I have owned every brand imaginable, and For me, Hilti is the only way to go. The others I had to replace every year. The Hiltis last at least 5 years, under extremely heavy use.
Sounded like a storm trooper talking. Also why are the motor vents always where you end up putting your hands? when your really leaning into something and bracing the drill to prevent your wrist from snapping when it catches. I completely cut off the air flow on one side.
hilti's drills are not supposed to break your wrist, there is an automatic stop when the drill bit gets stuck, plus they give you most of the time a big ol handle on the side so you don't really have to put your hand there
my milwuakee drills are the worst.. one vent right around the brushes and its the only place to put your hand to get any real feed pressure.. i gotta wear a welding glove if im drilling metal for more than 5 seconds.. brings the garage up to temperature in a hurry though
My DeWalt almost got my head recently. I was running a bolt through a 2/4. My wrist still hurts. You really have to brace yourself for that ride.
"I've made that mistake before." Too funny.
My buddy had a Craftsman cordless drill years ago it had a level built into it,it actually helped a little to keep the drill straight.
That little stamped steel stiffener looks like it's supposed to fit cross-ways into the slot immediately behind the top screw behind the chuck. The curve of the steel matches the curve of the top.
Bingo! I knew someone else saw it too!
TheTruthRocks it's a brace doo-hickie for the plastic. My radio controller came with it also. Keeps the drill handle from twisting when you grip it and apply torque.
Humm! You might be right. I think so too.
So what is the $700 for? Seamless over-molding? Guess those contractors are tired of the ridges on those other "cheap" tools digging into their calluses.
have spares. there, solved your $2300 problem with $50
GraveUypo Totally right. I did work in construction for a while (Knew the owner of the company and his "main" Foreman) They taught me a lot (I went to at least 4 different jobs, different things, all in different locations) and the first lesson was, HAVE A FUCKING BACK-UP. Each guy over there would have his own Drill + Battery Back-Ups (2 usually) Charging and whoever was supervising that job would have a couple Drills and more tools as a back up if needed, whoever's been working with different tools will try to have a backup, even more if your whole job relies so much on it.
$250 for the better plastic molding. $450 for the high tor-Q and low runout while you wear it out over seven years of better performance.
Kemal NottaTurk Have a Ryobi set that has lasted me close to 5 years now, and still going strong... and it's not a weekend set.
$700 is for a tool that lasts half your working life
Just bought one a few weeks back because of these video. I don't know every drill out there but it is best I have ever used by far, especially for metal work.
FWIW, that BMS board inside the battery was not coated with silastic. That clear shiny stuff is called conformal coating (keeps moisture out, insulates with varying levels of thermal conductivity).
Actually, it was potted, not coated. Conformal coating is thin. That potting was like 10 mm deep or something.
I bet the bottom of the batterie pack is only so flimsy so it can handle being dropped better.
Hilti drills are absolutely amazing
I work with automation in the process industry, and on the factories i visit in my country is seems like Hilti is the industry standard for SDS hammer drills (i dont think i have seen any other brands for hand held corded SDS drills in any factory), while Makita looks like is the industry standard for battery drills.
I’ve had a te 24 for 24 years now, love it !!! Had to replace chuck ten years ago thx to my old boss using it.
1/4” to a 2 1/2 core bit and everything in between except 11/4”.
You can buy a claped out bridge port for the price of that drill
I'll bet he did, too, 'cept that wasn't paid for with YT and Patreon dollars.
AvE,
Your videos are great and the commentary is the best. They remind me of Ricki from the Trailer Park Boys.
HILTI if you are a real pro is really the tool to get. Not only do they go to your work when a tool breaks but they will give you a loaner so you are not stuck without a tool when they are fixing it.
In my mind that service alone is worth it.
lol, I can buy used drills from the 50s and 60s, that are easy to fix, and buy extra parts.
Made out of metal, as long as the metal doesn't break, all other parts can be easily replaced.
Still cost less than 700 and can be fixed in 15 minutes.
I know where that part goes. it goes in the bottom to hold the clamshell together at the back of the bottom of the handle.
What good is it to have a 4 gang battery charger when it still only charges one at a time? What happens when you're number 4 waiting for it to cycle its way down to number 4 for number 2 and someone plugs a battery back into slot number 1? Will battery number 1 get charged before numbers 3 and 4?
The only tools that constantly broke down in our shop are hilti tools. At least from my experience, Makita are perfectly reliable. So long as you don't ask the pixies to rave for an hour straight.
$125 x 2 for the batteries + $100 for the charger + $70 for the bag and you have left over a $350 drill
The electric braking function just electrically connects the two wires out of the motor and allows the back emf to slow the motor. You can try it by grabbing a dc motor, turn the shaft by hand and then try again after joining the wires. It’s much harder.
Wouldn't a good Brushless DC motor be an upgrade for this drill?
Probably not, that hilti has a lap wound 4 pole motor with 4 physical brushes.
It's a deliberately slow, double-the-torque motor and the tool itself has a completely analog transmission with 4 physical speeds, the transmission can probably only be turned efficiently with that motor
Is there a way to reasonably double the torque on a brushless motor and still have it fit in a handheld?
Thank you very much for this video, I watched it awhile ago and used it as a reference yesterxay when taking mine apart to clean after a bunch of masonry dust and crap in it. Lol lent it out big mistake haha. Keep the great videos coming, love the commentary!
I bought one of these about 10 years + ago. On my second chuck and second battery. We use it for screws and mixing plaster, still going. Worth every penny. The hard case it comes in is still going as well.
"I've made that mistake before"..... LMAO! hahahaha.....
22:34 the bottom is more flexible to lower the brittleness, to absorb impacts better. :)
You spoke. Absolutely correct!
Today I realized that one of the only reasons I can appreciate fully the absolute treasure that is my grandpa's old machinist toolbox is your videos. Not this one so much, but so many. I shall get a premium T to celebate by. Rather, to celebrate you.
What's the pink tape covering?
Phillip B A personal serialnr
His wedding ring. Its for safety when he works with the battery. Unless you are talking about the tape on the tool. Then i have no idea.
serial number
Why would he cover it?
Erico Fadel so it doesn't short out on an exposed battery cell and burn his finger. Cheap insurance
AvE, you have to take a look at Fein ASCM 18 QM. Full metal gearbox, 4 gears and 3850 rpm on 4th gear. The best machine on the market for metal working.
Well fuck. We wrote basically the same and I am an hour too late.
I used to take all my new toys apart growing up to the detriment of my parents, nice to see that it can lead to a productive and educational channel
Greetings from the colony of convicts, Australia! Skookum as frig video, as always.
The molding is amazing on that hilti
I looked at getting one of them 4 way chargers but the batteries do not take long to charge so i went with the single one. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Kind of a shame you didn't take it apart. As I commented on the makita video I have had my own Hilit cordless drill apart and it has a couple of interesting features under the hood. I'll see if I can't copy that comment here.
I had my 12v hilti drill apart not too long ago, I'll write some of my findings down below.
The gearbox is plastic as well, but it had different glass fiber contents, 50% and 46% to be exact
The chuck is a very nice ratcheting Jacobs chuck with carbide teeth (I read the carbide teeth in a parts list somewhere)
The switch has two audible-tactile steps, one for engaging the variable speed and one for full jam
The old (NiCad) batteries were toast so I wacked a LiPo pack in there with a plenty high enough draw rating, it's got a lot more kick now
The clutch that connects the gearbox and the chuck has 3 prongs instead of 2 and the dogs drive 3 pins (6 pins in total).
The adjustable clutch spring has a square cross section and has a lot more meat than any other drill I've seen apart so far.
If I had to guess it has twice the mass of the spring of the makita in this video.
And it's also red
And to be honest getting these gearboxes back together isn't that complicated if you lay the parts down roughly in the order that they came out.
I understand why you're not comfortable doing it though, I got mine for real cheap while you did pay full price.
The little RFID tag might be for inventory control not for theft prevention.
Hilti has a fancy feature called ON!TRACK Asset Management. I'm betting that tag is used in that system.
That system is Bluetooth those rfid tags are all for thief control. There is no rfid tech that can sense any farther away than a few inches which would be totally useless for any kind of tracking.
I'm about to pick up the SF 6H-A22 and SID 22-A combo kit from the Homeless Despot. I cannot wait! I hear amazing things about the hammer drill.
You've convinced me that Hilti is a cut above the competition. We'll see how it compares to my current Metabo 18v impact.
The battery charger probably charges batteries one at a time so that you get a single fully charged battery as quickly as possible rather than 2 or 3 partially charged batteries.
That, and the cost of a power supply capable of charging all four at once would increase the cost of the charger significantly, when really, you just need one battery now and another one later.
I don't know anything about your drills but I love your phrases/vocab
I think the bottom section of the battery case is flexible is because it will absorb drop force. It’s the likeliest place the drill would land first. The drill sounds great but I hate that design. Looks like a harbor freight design made by a Bugatti factory. Still want it.