Were you surprised by this one? We were. One thing we didn't touch on (lot to cover w/ 2 new tools) is the High Torque Wrist Breaking Score. This gets a 7.0, same feel as a Ridgid high torque, just arm twisting like a corded drill with a hole saw. But plenty of it. It will be added to the Wrist Breaking score tab on our rank chart: etsy.me/3G8j3QK Edit: Yay we've been un-baned from Etsy! Torque of TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make impacts (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool, we're only 1 piece of the pie!
Hey, I found your channel on the Project Farm video about Allen wrench strength. You commented that it was more of a test for the screws because they were all getting stripped. Can you repeat it and maybe break some stuff? Thanks!
I honestly believe y'all's videos will improve the power tool industry's offerings. Not sure if that even applied to these new tools, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. You're calling the bluff of everyone out there and it's glorious.
At my old job (construction) the company had a good mix of the old Hilti and millwakee stuff. The old Hilti stuff, drills, impacts, screw guns, grinders, sds/SDS max was always good quality and held up well but never had the ass the same millwakee stuff had. The millwakee tools also held up really well and were probably used a lot more as most guys preferred them. Thanks for the video guys.
As a Milwaukee fan, competition is always good. I would never switch platforms based on a few uggas or duggas, but it really makes me excited to see how my red team responds.
The uggas and duggas are what makes the bolts and nuts tight 😆 but I do agree not worth switching a platform over. Be good for someone just starting though
I love your videos and have been binge watching them all again even though I am not shopping for any of it. Hilti is a brand I think a lot of reviewers fail to emphasize one of it's most appealing attributes, and that is it's quality. It might not have the highest numbers on a dyno but they are incredibly engineered, incredible manufacturing quality and tolerances. At the end of the day Hilti is built as a fleet tool. Its meant to be used and abused all day every day by workers who didn't pay for it. Serviceability and repair-ability are not even on the same planet when compared to most other brands. I know quality is subjective to a certain degree but I wish you could incorporate that in to your videos a bit more. e.g manufacturing quality, parts quality, battery technology difference etc etc.
The factory I work at has hilti fleet tools, the last generation, and lemme tell ya those things are used hard and put away wet. 8 hours a day. 5 days a week. They always bring the beans, and never quit. I can attest to their durability as they're often treated roughly 😅 and I've yet to see one break. We have the new gen stuff sitting in the office and are just waiting for the big boss to give the go ahead🙄. I took one of the drills for a test spin a week and a half ago, and it felt pretty nice. The batteries being that chunky kinda work for us to keep em from falling over. But overall, nicely built tools for sure
@Javaguru ya for sure! They're pretty solidly built tools. And for most use cases they have the power you'll need. If I got a bolt jammed bad enough that I need more power from an air impact, well that bit is already right dickered and would be stuck anyways.
My construction company buys nothing but hilti, only things that break are the breakers. Had to buy new te 700 and te 50 but had them for about 7 years, interestly the te 700 had went back to hilti for repair 6 times in them 7 years.
@@TheYazza1 and I'm not saying I'm an exception to the rule. If tools are used hard, they'll break. And to be fair I don't have experience with other tool brands in the competition such as Milwaukee, snap-off, Walmart brand surework, and whatever else is out there. So my experience is biased. However, I've yet to be let down by there performance. In my original comment I had said we had the new neuron stuff in the office, well we've finally got them, and first impressions are really good. May they lay a long time and not break on us! 😆
I'll keep bleeding red for now but what's always impressive to me is that ryobi right there with the big dogs for less cheddah. I digress thanks for putting this excellent review together. You guys rock
Thanks to you guys I stayed on the lookout for & scored a ridgid 1/2” hi torque kit with the 4aH battery & charger for $200 on sale at Home Depot. Now to find a 3aH battery….
I'm pretty sure the irraticness of the Ryobi is due to the battery terminals in the tool. The female fingers on a traditional slide battery pack goes on both sides of the male terminal. In the Ryobi's case it is just touching one side of the battery terminal. Due to vibration the connection can bounce off the battery terminal. You see burn marks on their battery terminals often due to this. Also I've heard on multitools where there is quite a lot of vibration, the terminals break apart due to this vibration. I suppose Ryobi could rectify this by adding a spring on the sides of the terminals to gain a better connection. Yet they probably won't due to Ryobi being a cheaper more entry level tool. Still love my Ryobi for inexpensive, decently built tools for needs where the tool isn't pushed to the extreme.
It's more about maintaining backward compatibility that they don't change the contacts. I can confirm your comments as very true, back in 2009 I made an adapter to put Ridgid batteries on my pre-TTI Ryobi angle grinder, (that was the only cordless grinder at the time, and is still such a fine tool it's the only original Ryobi tool TTI has not discontinued! Though they did delete the cool rotating battfoot) It runs 7" wheels perfectly, except the one sided contacts got hot and melted down the top of my adapter which was an old Ryobi battery top. (It turned out the old batteries didn't have enough power to even run that grinder, was literally useless on my friends brand new batteries!) I changed the foot to Ridgid and it was even better performance and no more meltdowns. Thankfully TTI upped the Ryobi battery quality, is much better now, although still a weak point the contacts handle most the tools well enough to not abandon the platform.
Snap-on electrics are also insanely loud in my experience. I know air is always quieter these days, but I used to work next to a guy who had a Snappy electric impact, and it hurt my ears more from 10+ feet than my AirCat did in my own hands. 😂
Seeing the HomeDepot King on 11th place is really beging Milwaukee to FINALY update the thing and take back its throne as the most powerful “”affordable”” High Torque around
@@TorqueTestChannel yeah, and cheaper, but since its getting discontinued, unless Dewalt or Makita create a Cheap HT gun with big beans, the best will still be a 3 year old desing Gun😅
Thanks to this channel I bought my ridgid with a 3ah battery, and so far so good. I snapped a lug bolt only twice because I wasn’t expecting it to be so powerful. Good stuff folks!
I rent out Hilti tools (Concrete saws, roto hammers, power breakers and even Powder actuated guns). I love their products and have used them myself. Personally I think they’re a niche and great brand for construction and one would have to break the bank to own some of their tools. I enjoy learning how their new fleet of tools are so-so percent lighter and this-n-that amount more powerful than the competitors.
Oh boy my impact wrench is Wi-Fi capable. This will never backfire in terms of cost, privacy, or availability ever. Did no one learn from the chip shortage?
It's as said, for big business where you might have to keep track of hundreds of tools. In that case it makes sense, but for someone working alone it's completely useless.
WiFi capable isn't a selling feature for me personally when it comes to tools, but for a bigger outfit with tools being checked out I can see its advantages. Although I will say I have a corded sander that has the Bluetooth and app feature and it is really cool to occasionally check the vibration meter as well as being able to monitor the run time counter. I didn't have interest in the feature when purchasing, but it is still occasionally useful.
Great comparison as usual, that being said, I have the Milwaukee 2767 and have used it to take apart old farm equipment for scrapping to basic work on my vehicles. I’ve not seen any other cordless impact with numbers so attractive that I’d switch brands yet. If the 2767 can’t do it, I’ll add some heat or just cut it with the torch. How much torque is enough?
Spot on, if the 2767 doesn't touch it, its either buggered to all hell, needs to be cut off, or heated REAL hot. Obviously some extreme torque applications just need more torque but its plenty
We use hilti at work and honestly the older ones we use are tough as they get but they have no ass to them. Reliability like a makita/weak like a black and decker!
I'm convinced the small increase in voltage gave Hilti the edge over the M18. With what appears to be similar wattage, Hilti's batteries maintained its operating voltage longer than the M18 did. Subsequently, it also kept the battery (and wrench) cooler (i. e. fewer amps) for longevity purposes.
Yeah, I've actually been surprised with how well Milwaukee has kept up with upping performance and releasing powerful tools with the 18v batteries.. the time will come where they have to up the voltage, but they went further on the battery platform than I would have expected a few years ago. I would have bought Milwaukee tools when they were new, but I figured the M18 batteries would be phased out... Boy was I wrong. Only other company that has stuck to a battery form factor longer is Ryobi.
Interesting that Hilti is doing better in reverse. I would think with their market, it would be better to have those ugga-duggas in forward, for driving fasteners.
The day that the mothership gives me a tool where it's reporting back to them, I'm jumping ship. The ONLY similar tech I'd want in a tool, if very expensive anyway, is a GPS tracker so if someone steals it, I can locate it, but ONLY me, not the mothership tracking where the tool/I am, even if it is their tool. Vehicles, I'm okay with GPS tracking those but only because it's such a significant asset and only with good reason.
Nice to see hilti up there with the others, hopefully thier reliability is still as good, as it has to be the best on the market, just wish I could afford to buy them.
Maybe someone has already pointed this out, but at around the 5min mark and later on the ranking table, you get confused with the old SIW-A 22T model and where it sits in the old range - you say you're disappointed that the new model shows the same torque as the new one... However, the old one in your test is a model higher in the old range, it is Hilti's high torque model, equivalent to the Nuron SIW 8-22 (and there's a slightly higher older style model too, the SIW-9 A22) . So now you have the lower ranges of the Nuron matching the torque of the old higher ranges - that's surely a vast step up (in competition terms, finally matching the competition!).
Dang that sucks, says your etsy shop is taking a short break lol. Is really hard to ensure the truth is out there it seems. Thanks for what you do no matter how hard they try to hide the truth.
Nice video. I do like watching these. It lets us see what the tool are really putting out…as your channel grows , maybe manufacturers will become more honest…LOL. Live confidently and peacefully
Hilti is now a subscribtion compagny. You rent/lease or buy a complete support package. It make sense for THEM to make the battery more robust. Less battery to replace due to bad handling.
This is nice since I bought ingersoll rand w7150 it made it 6 months of daily heavy use as marine industrial mechanic then I bought dewalt dcf899 it made it about 9 months then the hypoid gear broke I threw it away didn't bother with warranty since I was never impressed with it glad to see it break since I bought Milwaukee 2767 as soon as it was available to buy still have it to this day daily use with same two 9.0 batteries I also bought 2 years ago the ingersoll rand w7152 because it seems so much more geared to mechanics but ultimately the Milwaukee 2767 still has more power when I need it just funny how Milwaukee started thus & companies still to this day are doing all they can to keep up
for all my Milwaukee ppl out there... would you rather see a new high torque? or instead a new line of batteries that fit the old 2767? only reason im asking is cause that 2767 feels so old compared to these new impacts and yet its still somehow relatable. i see why Mil hasnt released a new high torque. i feel like the new high torque has to deliver more beans and be smaller to once again redefine cordless impacts
Would love you all to talk more about rapid triggering cuz Ive noticed most Battery tools do not have good trigger action that an air tool can do readily!
Rage quit? Nah, I'm so stoked we have our choice of all these kick ass tools! Used the neuron concrete saw with the 2 4ah batteries. It got hot af. Batteries shut down. But it did have great power while it lasted
Normally Hilti isn't made to be the fastest or most torque. It's made to optimize the install of Hilti's fasteners plus last a very long time under insane use. I still use a 18v NiMH hammer drill with the original batteries. I traded another one in for the newer Lithium battery model. I broke down and bought my first Hilti Rotary Hammer and chipper after burning up a similar model Bosch drill(and rewiring it 3 times). Hilti makes the best large Rotary Hammers, period. Hilti makes more than half it's money through it's Tool Fleet Program which is second to none.
*and here i am enjoying my fakita 18v impact that costed me $18.43 total on a 11.11 sale, nothing even remotely starts to come close for the bang for buck i got.*
The 21700 allows the system to reach max amperage for the motor in both the 4 and 8Ah. This means with a full charge, they should perform equally. "It's a goodthing" Martha S
They're easy to clean because they don't have the million little 'gundam bumps' all over them too. I never have to pull out the nylon brushes to clean them because they wipe off nicely in just a towel
@@Biaanca5036 I give you props for taking the time to clean them. I’ve never wiped down a tool I’ve used because in my trade they will get dirty regardless but I do wish they would stay brand new looking forever 😁
can't change your mind. bosch GSR 18V 60C (compact drill) felt more tiresome to hold in my hand than a Hilti SF 10W. biggest cordless drill hilti makes.
I find it very interesting how smooth the torque curve was with the Hilti high torque and the 8ah battery as compared to the Milwaukee. Not sure what it says about them as I'm not an engineer, I'm a trucker, and I've never handled them, but if I had to guess it'd be that it would be a rather comfortable tool to use, I'd imagine it wouldn't shake your hands numb over a full day of constant use like the same Milwaukee would
Looks like accountants were the main part of Nuron design team. As a Makita user I always thought that Makita did their best to make sure that visual discrepancy between battery and tool is unsurpassed. But Nuron took it to a whole new level; especially when compared to older Hilti tools.
For as long as it took Hilti to come out with a new model line, and their pricing I was expecting more. Disappointed in Hilti but it does show Milwaukee is still king considering the 2767 is an oldish model.
Hilti tools seem awesome only problem is that it’s so hard to get your hands on them, as a potential buyer Id like for them to be more accessible to buy or at least test.
As someone who used to be a Milwaukee guy, the Hilti batteries seem to just last so much longer. I constantly would replace my Milwaukee batteries, however the hilti Nuron just last and are more durable
Hilti is shooting themselves in the foot by not having compatibility, I've worked for companies with $50,000 in Hilti tools/batteries in a single site container, are they going to replace all of that?
They can't allow their new tools to use those old caveman batteries that just store and dispense power. I wonder if there is communication between tool and battery that it only works with officially licensed OEM batteries, and no third-party battery? Milwaukee FUEL level performance is nothing to sneeze at, but just matching that with the cost of a whole new, more expensive tool, battery, and cloud enabled charger platform, does seem a hard sell.
The regular hilti charger is triple voltage and already charges everything(12, 24, 36), and the nuron batteries are adaptable to regular tools. The only point of conflict is that nuron batteries only charge in nuron chargers. But it's _HILTI,_ so chargers are like 40usd anyways. It's not like the other ten brands where a new charger is some insane amount like 120usd each
After seeing the bean counter appeasement from HILTI...I'm pretty certain I dislike them terribly now. There is nothing worse than some guy who just rolled out of a frat house and into a accounting management position because his dad knew your CEO's son telling you at every possible moment that you aren't being "efficient enough" at "tool utilization" while you're driving bolts into a foundation during a 100+ degree heatwave while he sits in his office A/C, effectively giving your direct manager ammunition as to why you don't deserve a raise.
***I spotted a impact wrench on sale for 99 dollars called VTEK claiming 515 ft pounds Torque. if you ever do a budget or another amazon tool perhaps give this one a shot. thanks.
CORRECTION: I am an avid hilti user and have both their last platform and newest neuron platform….they make a small adapter that allows you to use the newest batteries with older tools. I have it so I can use my older 36v reciprocating saw and I will say the new batteries will perform all day framing tasks for almost a week on one charge.
it's not about limiting the juice, lower ah won't provide enough output to do more demanding tasks. It happens to all manufacturers. An analogy would be expecting your 4 cyl car to have equal power to the same car with the optional 6/8 cyl engine.
That would be driving speed / IPM. But our results at 15:47 somewhat mirror that. Maybe the Ryobi was having a good day. Luck of the draw with that tool
@@TorqueTestChannel it's all in the battery circuit and wiring also the Ryobi selector switches limit power the older model of the brushless worked better with low ah batteries but once you put big ones on they evened out
I used to be team ridgid. Now I'm team TTi. I'll go ryobi m12 and ridgid. whatever is on sale for my needs. cuz outside those three the brands are weirdly priced.
Hilti makes an adapter that allows you to use the new Nuron batteries in the older tools. It's kinda large but I'd be interested in whether it does make a (slight?) difference. Also, 2:20, the looks of the batteries is something I feel Hilti neglected a bit. The interface seems somewhat improvised, similar to the Snap-on high torque. It was much better with the older Hilti tools, just look at the older model in this video or especially rotary hammers like the TE4-A22. That thing with a battery looks like it's one single unit even though the battery is removable. Shame really, they were well known for plain but good looks of their tools.
Have you dyno’d the M18 2769-20? It’s the extended anvil, One-Key version of the 2767, that claims 1,100ft-lbs instead of 1,400ft-lbs. I have both, and ran into a scenario today where the 2769 couldn’t remove a crusty lug nut, while the 2767 (same battery) could. Would also be cool to see where the 2769’s different controlled torque modes actually shut off.
Nice video bro but the battery size comparison isn’t quite fair imo. You can’t compare Amp hour between different voltages. 6Ah at 22V is 132Wh, while at 18V it’s only 108Wh. So of course the 22V is larger.
Hilti primary goal is durability over power, they're aiming for professional or contractora whereas dewalt or milwaukee is aiming for proconsumer customer
Honestly, kinda cool to see someone implementing more features to a battery especially given the outrageous prices. Almost makes me feel like I'm getting at least a little more for my $250 🤣
Good video going to need some torture tests . I watch a lot of gun reviews and they do 1000 round reviews . You need 1000 semi lug removal and install reviews 🤩 or like 500 Honda crank bolt reviews 🤔 🤣 powers only good if it lasts for years on the job
Were you surprised by this one? We were. One thing we didn't touch on (lot to cover w/ 2 new tools) is the High Torque Wrist Breaking Score. This gets a 7.0, same feel as a Ridgid high torque, just arm twisting like a corded drill with a hole saw. But plenty of it. It will be added to the Wrist Breaking score tab on our rank chart: etsy.me/3G8j3QK Edit: Yay we've been un-baned from Etsy!
Torque of TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make impacts (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool, we're only 1 piece of the pie!
Ebay? Lots of knockoff stuff sold there so they may not cause issues 🤔
PLSSS I MENTIONED IT LAST TIME CAN YOU PLS TEST THE 20V PARKSIDE IMPACT WRENCH IT ONLY COST AROUND £100
Hey, I found your channel on the Project Farm video about Allen wrench strength. You commented that it was more of a test for the screws because they were all getting stripped. Can you repeat it and maybe break some stuff? Thanks!
LET'S GOOOO HILTI FTWWWWW
Try Bunker Branding Co. They work with a ton of youtubers
I honestly believe y'all's videos will improve the power tool industry's offerings. Not sure if that even applied to these new tools, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. You're calling the bluff of everyone out there and it's glorious.
These are glorious times my friend. Indulge them 🤣
Amen brother
My grandfather used to say "thats designed to catch more fisherman not catch more fish".
At my old job (construction) the company had a good mix of the old Hilti and millwakee stuff. The old Hilti stuff, drills, impacts, screw guns, grinders, sds/SDS max was always good quality and held up well but never had the ass the same millwakee stuff had. The millwakee tools also held up really well and were probably used a lot more as most guys preferred them. Thanks for the video guys.
Never owned a Hilti tool, but they always seemed like solid equipment, nice to see them swinging for the fence here, competition is good for everyone!
As a Milwaukee fan, competition is always good. I would never switch platforms based on a few uggas or duggas, but it really makes me excited to see how my red team responds.
The uggas and duggas are what makes the bolts and nuts tight 😆 but I do agree not worth switching a platform over. Be good for someone just starting though
Milwaukee has to have a new high torque on the tip of their tongue.
They respond with some thunder
@@vicenteg88 yes but unless you’re working on heavy equipment these will all be fine. I even use my 2763 on my semi lug nuts with no issue.
@@Lee-lb9qh didn’t dewalt have to come out with flex volt batteries to try and snuff Milwaukee? Right.
I love your videos and have been binge watching them all again even though I am not shopping for any of it. Hilti is a brand I think a lot of reviewers fail to emphasize one of it's most appealing attributes, and that is it's quality. It might not have the highest numbers on a dyno but they are incredibly engineered, incredible manufacturing quality and tolerances. At the end of the day Hilti is built as a fleet tool. Its meant to be used and abused all day every day by workers who didn't pay for it. Serviceability and repair-ability are not even on the same planet when compared to most other brands. I know quality is subjective to a certain degree but I wish you could incorporate that in to your videos a bit more. e.g manufacturing quality, parts quality, battery technology difference etc etc.
The factory I work at has hilti fleet tools, the last generation, and lemme tell ya those things are used hard and put away wet. 8 hours a day. 5 days a week. They always bring the beans, and never quit. I can attest to their durability as they're often treated roughly 😅 and I've yet to see one break. We have the new gen stuff sitting in the office and are just waiting for the big boss to give the go ahead🙄. I took one of the drills for a test spin a week and a half ago, and it felt pretty nice. The batteries being that chunky kinda work for us to keep em from falling over. But overall, nicely built tools for sure
Really cool to see a true first-hand testimonial. That douses a lot of my personal skepticism 😁
@Javaguru ya for sure! They're pretty solidly built tools. And for most use cases they have the power you'll need. If I got a bolt jammed bad enough that I need more power from an air impact, well that bit is already right dickered and would be stuck anyways.
My construction company buys nothing but hilti, only things that break are the breakers. Had to buy new te 700 and te 50 but had them for about 7 years, interestly the te 700 had went back to hilti for repair 6 times in them 7 years.
@@TheYazza1 and I'm not saying I'm an exception to the rule. If tools are used hard, they'll break. And to be fair I don't have experience with other tool brands in the competition such as Milwaukee, snap-off, Walmart brand surework, and whatever else is out there. So my experience is biased. However, I've yet to be let down by there performance.
In my original comment I had said we had the new neuron stuff in the office, well we've finally got them, and first impressions are really good. May they lay a long time and not break on us! 😆
@@nickzona2491 we done have neuron over here in the UK. And I haven't heard of it coming over either.
Can we give that dyno bolt some credit, it has taken more ugah dugahs than a tire changed by the new lube tech
These are great as long as the company you work for buys them. I know I ain't paying that much and keeping track of the battery health while working.
Ive been so excited about this one :) thank you for doing the video bro
I love all your videos bro. That dyno never will get old. I once again thank you so much :)
@@ManCaverTools Thanks for letting us borrow them on the secret squirrel DL!
THANK YOU I’ve been waiting sooo long to see a REAL review of the new hilti nuron tools.
I'll keep bleeding red for now but what's always impressive to me is that ryobi right there with the big dogs for less cheddah. I digress thanks for putting this excellent review together. You guys rock
ryobi and milwaukee are owned by the same company and probably made in the same factories.
@@verliebt3465 agreed, a very well know fact. But there are very different tools, batteries ect.
@@verliebt3465 made in different factories, lesser quality electronics and switches. Still good tools
Thanks to you guys I stayed on the lookout for & scored a ridgid 1/2” hi torque kit with the 4aH battery & charger for $200 on sale at Home Depot. Now to find a 3aH battery….
I'm pretty sure the irraticness of the Ryobi is due to the battery terminals in the tool. The female fingers on a traditional slide battery pack goes on both sides of the male terminal. In the Ryobi's case it is just touching one side of the battery terminal. Due to vibration the connection can bounce off the battery terminal. You see burn marks on their battery terminals often due to this. Also I've heard on multitools where there is quite a lot of vibration, the terminals break apart due to this vibration. I suppose Ryobi could rectify this by adding a spring on the sides of the terminals to gain a better connection. Yet they probably won't due to Ryobi being a cheaper more entry level tool. Still love my Ryobi for inexpensive, decently built tools for needs where the tool isn't pushed to the extreme.
Good to know. I didn't know that. I rarely use my older Ryobi impact. Back then, they didn't bring the beans.😅
It's more about maintaining backward compatibility that they don't change the contacts. I can confirm your comments as very true, back in 2009 I made an adapter to put Ridgid batteries on my pre-TTI Ryobi angle grinder, (that was the only cordless grinder at the time, and is still such a fine tool it's the only original Ryobi tool TTI has not discontinued! Though they did delete the cool rotating battfoot) It runs 7" wheels perfectly, except the one sided contacts got hot and melted down the top of my adapter which was an old Ryobi battery top. (It turned out the old batteries didn't have enough power to even run that grinder, was literally useless on my friends brand new batteries!) I changed the foot to Ridgid and it was even better performance and no more meltdowns. Thankfully TTI upped the Ryobi battery quality, is much better now, although still a weak point the contacts handle most the tools well enough to not abandon the platform.
Holy cow, you could land a space station on that new style battery platform! A great showing for Hilti.
I’ve been sending people comparison videos against 7 or so other brands batteries. Their jaws are dropping to the floor. 😂
6700 views not even 1k likes? If your watching it you know you like it, cmon now, help these guys out!
I'm not surprised they showed up. Hitki has always been a great industrial brand.
I appreciate you fellas to the max. Thanks!
I’m a huge Milwaukee fan but that hilti looks so nice🥵😮💨
Just found out Hilti is going down the made in China slope too, guess I found another lineup to avoid.
They all are
Ironically I never encountered real issues with them until the 8Amp made in Poland range came out, the Chinese ones were fine
Wow... They managed to make a bizarre looking impact. That still looks better than a Snap-on in my opinion.
Duplo looks better than Snap-On
Snap on sucks all around.
Snap on impacts look awful!
Snap-on electrics are also insanely loud in my experience. I know air is always quieter these days, but I used to work next to a guy who had a Snappy electric impact, and it hurt my ears more from 10+ feet than my AirCat did in my own hands. 😂
Snap on looks how you would expect an industrial hair dryer to look like
Good job Hilti!! Would rather have it over the Milwaukee
A fellow hilti using mechanic???
That battery is the definition of a brick.
Hahaha!!! Yes sir, I was thinking the same thing too. LOL!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
That battery is a reason I’d never buy it lol
Me too. It to silly big. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I bought some Nuron stuff full well knowing that the batteries are stupid and….the batteries are stupid.
Seeing the HomeDepot King on 11th place is really beging Milwaukee to FINALY update the thing and take back its throne as the most powerful “”affordable”” High Torque around
At 15:21 there's only 1 impact you can buy in a store ranked higher, and it's being discontinued (ridgid) so i'd say they aren't doing too bad still
@@TorqueTestChannel yeah, and cheaper, but since its getting discontinued, unless Dewalt or Makita create a Cheap HT gun with big beans, the best will still be a 3 year old desing Gun😅
Thanks to this channel I bought my ridgid with a 3ah battery, and so far so good. I snapped a lug bolt only twice because I wasn’t expecting it to be so powerful. Good stuff folks!
Always loved Hilti
MCT is a badass! Plus TTC!!! I love it! Great video!
I rent out Hilti tools (Concrete saws, roto hammers, power breakers and even Powder actuated guns). I love their products and have used them myself. Personally I think they’re a niche and great brand for construction and one would have to break the bank to own some of their tools. I enjoy learning how their new fleet of tools are so-so percent lighter and this-n-that amount more powerful than the competitors.
Oh boy my impact wrench is Wi-Fi capable. This will never backfire in terms of cost, privacy, or availability ever. Did no one learn from the chip shortage?
Yeah im sure a battery with a damn GPS tracker is cheap and something i will use
It's as said, for big business where you might have to keep track of hundreds of tools. In that case it makes sense, but for someone working alone it's completely useless.
WiFi capable isn't a selling feature for me personally when it comes to tools, but for a bigger outfit with tools being checked out I can see its advantages.
Although I will say I have a corded sander that has the Bluetooth and app feature and it is really cool to occasionally check the vibration meter as well as being able to monitor the run time counter. I didn't have interest in the feature when purchasing, but it is still occasionally useful.
You already got chips in the tools bud!
Great comparison as usual, that being said, I have the Milwaukee 2767 and have used it to take apart old farm equipment for scrapping to basic work on my vehicles. I’ve not seen any other cordless impact with numbers so attractive that I’d switch brands yet. If the 2767 can’t do it, I’ll add some heat or just cut it with the torch. How much torque is enough?
Spot on, if the 2767 doesn't touch it, its either buggered to all hell, needs to be cut off, or heated REAL hot. Obviously some extreme torque applications just need more torque but its plenty
My matco high torque is enough lol
Add the fact how old it is and only now are other brands finally able to beat it.. barely.
We use hilti at work and honestly the older ones we use are tough as they get but they have no ass to them. Reliability like a makita/weak like a black and decker!
I'm convinced the small increase in voltage gave Hilti the edge over the M18. With what appears to be similar wattage, Hilti's batteries maintained its operating voltage longer than the M18 did. Subsequently, it also kept the battery (and wrench) cooler (i. e. fewer amps) for longevity purposes.
Yeah, I've actually been surprised with how well Milwaukee has kept up with upping performance and releasing powerful tools with the 18v batteries.. the time will come where they have to up the voltage, but they went further on the battery platform than I would have expected a few years ago.
I would have bought Milwaukee tools when they were new, but I figured the M18 batteries would be phased out... Boy was I wrong.
Only other company that has stuck to a battery form factor longer is Ryobi.
@@volvo09 and Makita with their LXT platform being over 15 years old
Interesting that Hilti is doing better in reverse. I would think with their market, it would be better to have those ugga-duggas in forward, for driving fasteners.
Agreed!
I love my ridgid mid and high torque impacts. Very good power especially for the money and the lsa.
The day that the mothership gives me a tool where it's reporting back to them, I'm jumping ship. The ONLY similar tech I'd want in a tool, if very expensive anyway, is a GPS tracker so if someone steals it, I can locate it, but ONLY me, not the mothership tracking where the tool/I am, even if it is their tool. Vehicles, I'm okay with GPS tracking those but only because it's such a significant asset and only with good reason.
I was seriously considering going Hilti, was super excited to see TTC test the new line. Then that little bomb was dropped. Absolute deal breaker.
Nice to see hilti up there with the others, hopefully thier reliability is still as good, as it has to be the best on the market, just wish I could afford to buy them.
Great video guys, love this channel
And HILTI does have an adapter for those Nuron batteries to work on the older tools
Just in case the battery situation wasn't big enough yet :P
Maybe someone has already pointed this out, but at around the 5min mark and later on the ranking table, you get confused with the old SIW-A 22T model and where it sits in the old range - you say you're disappointed that the new model shows the same torque as the new one... However, the old one in your test is a model higher in the old range, it is Hilti's high torque model, equivalent to the Nuron SIW 8-22 (and there's a slightly higher older style model too, the SIW-9 A22) .
So now you have the lower ranges of the Nuron matching the torque of the old higher ranges - that's surely a vast step up (in competition terms, finally matching the competition!).
Dang that sucks, says your etsy shop is taking a short break lol. Is really hard to ensure the truth is out there it seems. Thanks for what you do no matter how hard they try to hide the truth.
Been waiting for this Hilti
We’ve been quite happy with the Ryobi at our motorcycle shop, especially for $125
This just made the Ridgid high-torque all the more impressive considering its price.
Nice video. I do like watching these. It lets us see what the tool are really putting out…as your channel grows , maybe manufacturers will become more honest…LOL. Live confidently and peacefully
Hilti is now a subscribtion compagny. You rent/lease or buy a complete support package.
It make sense for THEM to make the battery more robust. Less battery to replace due to bad handling.
This is nice since I bought ingersoll rand w7150 it made it 6 months of daily heavy use as marine industrial mechanic then I bought dewalt dcf899 it made it about 9 months then the hypoid gear broke I threw it away didn't bother with warranty since I was never impressed with it glad to see it break since I bought Milwaukee 2767 as soon as it was available to buy still have it to this day daily use with same two 9.0 batteries I also bought 2 years ago the ingersoll rand w7152 because it seems so much more geared to mechanics but ultimately the Milwaukee 2767 still has more power when I need it just funny how Milwaukee started thus & companies still to this day are doing all they can to keep up
Jesus christ, learn to use punctuation
@@Chris-bz3iy mind your business no one said you had to read it
But no one offered a counter to his lengthy statement... I guess I'm starting with Ole red
for all my Milwaukee ppl out there... would you rather see a new high torque? or instead a new line of batteries that fit the old 2767? only reason im asking is cause that 2767 feels so old compared to these new impacts and yet its still somehow relatable. i see why Mil hasnt released a new high torque. i feel like the new high torque has to deliver more beans and be smaller to once again redefine cordless impacts
Would love you all to talk more about rapid triggering cuz Ive noticed most Battery tools do not have good trigger action that an air tool can do readily!
Rage quit? Nah, I'm so stoked we have our choice of all these kick ass tools!
Used the neuron concrete saw with the 2 4ah batteries. It got hot af. Batteries shut down. But it did have great power while it lasted
I just need milwaukee to come out with there next gen
Normally Hilti isn't made to be the fastest or most torque. It's made to optimize the install of Hilti's fasteners plus last a very long time under insane use. I still use a 18v NiMH hammer drill with the original batteries. I traded another one in for the newer Lithium battery model. I broke down and bought my first Hilti Rotary Hammer and chipper after burning up a similar model
Bosch drill(and rewiring it 3 times). Hilti makes the best large Rotary Hammers, period. Hilti makes more than half it's money through it's Tool Fleet Program which is second to none.
*and here i am enjoying my fakita 18v impact that costed me $18.43 total on a 11.11 sale, nothing even remotely starts to come close for the bang for buck i got.*
its the topshak ts-pw1 impact if u guys want to know for exact.
Thumbs up and subscribed!
The 21700 allows the system to reach max amperage for the motor in both the 4 and 8Ah. This means with a full charge, they should perform equally. "It's a goodthing" Martha S
Thanks guys
Hilti has the best looking tools hands down. No one competes with their appearance! And they feel even better than they look. Change my mind 👍
They're easy to clean because they don't have the million little 'gundam bumps' all over them too. I never have to pull out the nylon brushes to clean them because they wipe off nicely in just a towel
@@Biaanca5036
I give you props for taking the time to clean them. I’ve never wiped down a tool I’ve used because in my trade they will get dirty regardless but I do wish they would stay brand new looking forever 😁
can't change your mind. bosch GSR 18V 60C (compact drill) felt more tiresome to hold in my hand than a Hilti SF 10W. biggest cordless drill hilti makes.
Says no one ever.
I find it very interesting how smooth the torque curve was with the Hilti high torque and the 8ah battery as compared to the Milwaukee. Not sure what it says about them as I'm not an engineer, I'm a trucker, and I've never handled them, but if I had to guess it'd be that it would be a rather comfortable tool to use, I'd imagine it wouldn't shake your hands numb over a full day of constant use like the same Milwaukee would
That Ryobi is impressive
Not sure if it's already been fixed, but the ft-lbs for the Hilti on the last chart was copied from the price column. Great video as always
Looks like accountants were the main part of Nuron design team.
As a Makita user I always thought that Makita did their best to make sure that visual discrepancy between battery and tool is unsurpassed. But Nuron took it to a whole new level; especially when compared to older Hilti tools.
I was wondering if you could make a video testing out pneumatic drills? Test them for torque and rpm possibly?
Yeah, Ryobi is the best performer per buck. No shame in buying that once, never mind twice compared to the other brands.
You should do the Hilti siw 9 1 inch impact
For as long as it took Hilti to come out with a new model line, and their pricing I was expecting more. Disappointed in Hilti but it does show Milwaukee is still king considering the 2767 is an oldish model.
It's taken 7 years for the competition to catch up with Milwaukee. Can't wait for the new versions.
I've always seen Hilti as being more similar to Snap-On and Matco than Milwaukee. I see their service trucks all over the place.
Hilti tools seem awesome only problem is that it’s so hard to get your hands on them, as a potential buyer Id like for them to be more accessible to buy or at least test.
As someone who used to be a Milwaukee guy, the Hilti batteries seem to just last so much longer. I constantly would replace my Milwaukee batteries, however the hilti Nuron just last and are more durable
Hey try testing the Durofix line of 60 volt impact wrench line down the line..
awesome review!!!
Please test the Hilti sid 6 22 . In Korea, there is a controversy that the torque spec of sid 6 22 is exaggerated
Nice to see this
Hilti is shooting themselves in the foot by not having compatibility, I've worked for companies with $50,000 in Hilti tools/batteries in a single site container, are they going to replace all of that?
They can't allow their new tools to use those old caveman batteries that just store and dispense power. I wonder if there is communication between tool and battery that it only works with officially licensed OEM batteries, and no third-party battery?
Milwaukee FUEL level performance is nothing to sneeze at, but just matching that with the cost of a whole new, more expensive tool, battery, and cloud enabled charger platform, does seem a hard sell.
$50k in Hilti? So around 7 tools and a dozen batteries? That shouldn't take too much effort to replace.
The regular hilti charger is triple voltage and already charges everything(12, 24, 36), and the nuron batteries are adaptable to regular tools.
The only point of conflict is that nuron batteries only charge in nuron chargers. But it's _HILTI,_ so chargers are like 40usd anyways. It's not like the other ten brands where a new charger is some insane amount like 120usd each
After seeing the bean counter appeasement from HILTI...I'm pretty certain I dislike them terribly now. There is nothing worse than some guy who just rolled out of a frat house and into a accounting management position because his dad knew your CEO's son telling you at every possible moment that you aren't being "efficient enough" at "tool utilization" while you're driving bolts into a foundation during a 100+ degree heatwave while he sits in his office A/C, effectively giving your direct manager ammunition as to why you don't deserve a raise.
Geez that is one heckin sized battery!
Ya'll should test Stahlwerk's impact driver.
Great vid - thanks!!
Can you test any Cornwell brand tools? Such as airguns, air hammers, etc
***I spotted a impact wrench on sale for 99 dollars called VTEK claiming 515 ft pounds Torque. if you ever do a budget or another amazon tool perhaps give this one a shot. thanks.
CORRECTION: I am an avid hilti user and have both their last platform and newest neuron platform….they make a small adapter that allows you to use the newest batteries with older tools. I have it so I can use my older 36v reciprocating saw and I will say the new batteries will perform all day framing tasks for almost a week on one charge.
Pretty sure Ryobi limits the juice on the lower ah batteries for the lesser grade tools
it's not about limiting the juice, lower ah won't provide enough output to do more demanding tasks. It happens to all manufacturers.
An analogy would be expecting your 4 cyl car to have equal power to the same car with the optional 6/8 cyl engine.
Mancaver just did a send in the lag bolts test with these the Ryobi smoked everyone and hilti didn't do to hot
That would be driving speed / IPM. But our results at 15:47 somewhat mirror that. Maybe the Ryobi was having a good day. Luck of the draw with that tool
@@TorqueTestChannel it's all in the battery circuit and wiring also the Ryobi selector switches limit power the older model of the brushless worked better with low ah batteries but once you put big ones on they evened out
I'd like to see the Bosch with a 12ah battery and see what kind of numbers it puts up.
Dying to see you put that 6amp hour HP battery on that p262 and run that on the dyno.
Please try Hilti SIW 9-A
Im stationed in South Korea and I’m seeing this brand everywhere as well as dewalt and Milwaukee. I was curious how quality they are.
I used to be team ridgid. Now I'm team TTi. I'll go ryobi m12 and ridgid. whatever is on sale for my needs. cuz outside those three the brands are weirdly priced.
I'm not a fanboy of any corporation, but Milwaukee does the job for me so I'll stick with them until that changes
Hilti makes an adapter that allows you to use the new Nuron batteries in the older tools. It's kinda large but I'd be interested in whether it does make a (slight?) difference.
Also, 2:20, the looks of the batteries is something I feel Hilti neglected a bit. The interface seems somewhat improvised, similar to the Snap-on high torque. It was much better with the older Hilti tools, just look at the older model in this video or especially rotary hammers like the TE4-A22. That thing with a battery looks like it's one single unit even though the battery is removable. Shame really, they were well known for plain but good looks of their tools.
Have you dyno’d the M18 2769-20? It’s the extended anvil, One-Key version of the 2767, that claims 1,100ft-lbs instead of 1,400ft-lbs. I have both, and ran into a scenario today where the 2769 couldn’t remove a crusty lug nut, while the 2767 (same battery) could.
Would also be cool to see where the 2769’s different controlled torque modes actually shut off.
Check out DCF891. It's similar to 894 with much better specs. Not sure if it's out yet
Not for sale yet
Nice video bro but the battery size comparison isn’t quite fair imo. You can’t compare Amp hour between different voltages. 6Ah at 22V is 132Wh, while at 18V it’s only 108Wh. So of course the 22V is larger.
Hilti primary goal is durability over power, they're aiming for professional or contractora whereas dewalt or milwaukee is aiming for proconsumer customer
Have you tested the Husky 1/2" high impact?
I thought it already had a slimline battery no, that's just the connector (recepticle?).
Honestly, kinda cool to see someone implementing more features to a battery especially given the outrageous prices. Almost makes me feel like I'm getting at least a little more for my $250 🤣
That is a parody of a battery line. I wouldn't buy the Hilti just because of that battery design. Thanks for the great video!
will you be testing the new Astro Pneumatic onyx 1828 stubby v2, claiming 500 beans?
Good video going to need some torture tests . I watch a lot of gun reviews and they do 1000 round reviews . You need 1000 semi lug removal and install reviews 🤩 or like 500 Honda crank bolt reviews 🤔 🤣 powers only good if it lasts for years on the job
So the Ridgid high torque is still the best value