This gentleman has been around this stuff for many a year, yiu can tell ! Love these kinda work-study type educational tutorials for gear heads and chopper / bobber / bike fanatics, KEEP EM COMIN' 😊
I rebuilt my 1959 transmission a couple of years ago using all new Andrews gears and shafts by watching and learning from another very good video series. Yours has been a review and reminder of all the steps. The explanations here are clear, concise, and no nonsense. Very well done!
Great video - thanks! I did notice that when installing the pawl carrier, I found it much easier to put it in without the pawl springs (the little ones that push the pawls up) and then stick them in afterwards that to try to push the pawls in while sliding the carrier over the shifter shaft.
You remind me of my Uncle Al he was an aviation mechanic to roll or 2 and you used to work on motorcycles and airplanes and everyone like that pretty awesome to watch this I learned a lot
Man great video, my 4th gear main seal started to leak on my 84 FXSB and was curious on how to repair it. I understand better by visualizing, so Thanks for all the detail you explained!
I enjoyed watching this video, and learned a lot. When ever I need to do the transmission of my 74 shovel this video gave me a head start. Personally I would have used more anti seize / copa slip in case it ever has to be opened again. But that is personal and has nothing to do with the knowlege and craftmanship displayed. 👍👍👍
Thank you for making such an informative video. I have watched different segments several times and the whole thing at least a couple times. Thanks again
The content was so interesting and well presented the 3 1/2 hours flew by. The repartee between Frank and Mr. White (The parts washer) was as lively as the drama one used to see on American choppers! Good show.
I mic the mainshaft at the high gear bushing and just outboard of that. If there is much difference I put shaft in the lathe and pollish the fat place down to match the bushing area. That way when honing the high gear bushing the correct fit can be achieved.
I took a ratchet top apart with about 80,000 miles and it looked brand new inside. Could not find hardly any wear in it at all. Of course the shifter with pawls springs return springs were replaced, greased and main shaft seal, counter shaft sprocket, throw out bearing replaced and a kick starter added.
I too am working on a 76 4-speed that has sat for 15 years. This is a good video - thanks. Also great is the series from Tatro Machine on a 4-speed rebuild - lots of "finer points" details.
@@kevinc.9360 Actually..... these guys have a ton of more finess than Tatro. He knows his bikes, but he is slamming everything around for no reason. I can't even watch it.
@@ollelindskog4531 Depends on how you define finesse. Tatro definitely slams things around for no reason a lot. But he goes about things from a machinist's POV as opposed to a mechanic's POV. Slight difference, but you can learn a ton from his knowledge/experience and the depth and detail he goes into.
@@kevinc.9360 I don't really agree. I've been a machinist for 30 years and I've done some things the wrong way and learned 🤣. Sometimes Tatro acts like a damn newbie. Some of the stuff he does in his milling machine is right out dangerous. If it was me, I sure would edit my videos a lot more.
The clutch on my ‘77 FXE 4 speed does not engage when cold. So I need a clear strip of road every time I put it in gear and have to warm it up a few times around the block before it loosens up. Any idea why this is happening? I adjusted the clutch cable correctly and still nothing.
Great video! Do you have a # for the blue Jim’s two piece tool shown in the video. The only one I can find is for a 5 speed and not a 4 speed for that small mainshaft/4th gear seal. Thanks!
I agree with both you and Gayle on this topic, mainly because stock stretches, HT studs n bolts don't, it puts more stress on threads ( tearing them out of the block) when you have high compression or overbooked situations. I'd rather blow out head gaskets, than completely destroy the engine because the head bolts or studs ripped outta the block😂😂😂 besides, the actual metalugists that designed the factory head bolts designed them for expansion and contraction extending engine life and reliability under " normal" which I call sane or " adult driven" use. Studs are for racers that can afford to fund several back up engines ready to install and lots of backup cash from their sponsors😂😂 so that doesn't come out of pocket. Normal Joe's like me, want maximum reliability, ease of maintenance, and not spend a billion dollars on rebuilds, I want the wind in my face for years between rebuilds, not 1/4 mile at a time, Harleys weren't designed for that. They were for adventure, long comfortable trips, soaking in the sights and experiences of the open road, and fellowship of like minded people👍💯
Noticed that 4th gear was not test fit with the spacer, sprocket, and nut to check for end play prior to putting the main shaft in place. Also, what about end play of 3rd gear too?
Hey @lowbrowcustoms can you guys do a video about rebuilding iron head trans? Sincerely an iron head enthusiast singing the low down broke down Harley Davidson blues.
Hey my name is Chris I noticed yesterday that what you were changing the oil in the Shovelhead that you used Valvoline SAE oil was that regular automotive oil or was it made for motorcycles
On my 1974 FL I have to push the heel and toe shifter almost to the floor board to shift. There is very litle play in the linkage going to the top of the tranny. What do you think is worn out in there?
Set screw removed around 19:44 secs of video. Notice in the video the set screw for the shifter rod had not been replaced or reinstalled at time 3:03:26 secs. Can clearly see the threads. Just curious if needed to be put back in place. Just an observation.
At 2:52:20 - look at the mark on the high/drive gear tooth. Ouch. The only thing missing is now high/4th/drive gear is manufactured with a groove for an o-ring, well at least Andrews does, not sure about anyone else. Or, V-Twin sells the drive gear spacer with an o-ring in the inside. Both of those go a long way to preventing the notorious leak better than any amount of sealer goop. 3:08:00 - No gasket sealer - not buying it. I predict it'll be a weaper pretty quickly even with the honing that was done.
Interesting... I inquired about the JIMS main shaft seal tool previously, and my questions appears to have disappeared! At ~2:20:25 in the video is that the 2256 (1 and 2) setup?
@@lowbrowcustoms The numbers are on the tools. I could see 2256-2 on the sleeve, but nothing on the driver. What confuses me is that I contacted JIMS and they told me they didn't have a 4 speed tool. Obviously, the five speed works on the four (shrug).
Why would someone throw a fit they've never seen an allen punch? I guarantee those same people have used a wrench hammer or a fist hammer. Thanks for the walkthrough on this transmission
I'm curious, when you use the stone over the gasket areas. Is that something that you learned about in MMI? I'm wondering because my uncle went there in the late 80's and when he passed away a few years ago I inherited his tools. Inside his box with the reamer , hones and so forth he had some knife sharpening stones. I'm now wondering if it's for this exact same thing you was using it for. He always had sharp knives as well but he kept those stones in a certain case.... and also I see your CLUTCH sticker. That's awesome right there :) I seen them 3 times and they always put on a killa show.
Didn't watch video, just came to see if I can get a response. I wanted to get rid of the Rinky dink oil slinger in my 76 ratchet top, it always Strips out Where it's not spinning. I can't adjust for less clutch or it won't hold it back at a stop In Gear. So I installed an old school Throw out bearing, Had a machine shop make me a super hard push rod the right shorter length. But it just eats the Adjustment screw, (cheap ass aftermarket) I tried the one with the ball bearing and it just seized then eat itself. It's a five finger open primary. Help please.
At least the bolts aren't all rusted. Self lubricating chassis.. Just because it hasn't run for a number of years, doesn't mean you couldn't have cleaned and pressure washed it first
I NEVER put loctite on aluminum threads. Use gasket sealer. it wont come out but if it does it wont take the threads with it. Learned that from an 80 year old working race engine machinist telling me how to stop my exhaust bolt in the head from vibrating out. Has not come lose again in last 20 years. Will someone please buy this guy some drifts.
I just skipped going out on a Saturday to watch a 3 and half hour video on how to rebuild a transmission of a bike I don't even own. Time well spent!
LoL, I'm just finishing installing clutch plates on my Honda Shadow 84 750 in my cold garage lol.... He's so much advanced in his job lol....
@@RogerDiotte A well spent Saturday!
This gentleman has been around this stuff for many a year, yiu can tell !
Love these kinda work-study type educational tutorials for gear heads and chopper / bobber / bike fanatics, KEEP EM COMIN' 😊
I rebuilt my 1959 transmission a couple of years ago using all new Andrews gears and shafts by watching and learning from another very good video series. Yours has been a review and reminder of all the steps. The explanations here are clear, concise, and no nonsense.
Very well done!
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excellent teaching of a harley 4 speed transmission i am now going to do my 62 panhead gearbox thank you frank
👍👍👍👍 thought i was only guy that counter sunk bolt holes...even on new parts and checked for burs on the everything i build 👍👍
Thank you for taking the time to show this.
Fantastic stuff…..master mechanic, experienced, tribal knowledge….i learn a shitload from this fella
This video has been a tremendous resource - thank you to all that were involved in making it.
Thank for posting since it a great resource to my 4 speed trans for my 1984 trans FLH that stuck in gear
Great video - thanks! I did notice that when installing the pawl carrier, I found it much easier to put it in without the pawl springs (the little ones that push the pawls up) and then stick them in afterwards that to try to push the pawls in while sliding the carrier over the shifter shaft.
3 1/2 hours of confidence building. Thanks for the content!
You remind me of my Uncle Al he was an aviation mechanic to roll or 2 and you used to work on motorcycles and airplanes and everyone like that pretty awesome to watch this I learned a lot
Exactly what I needed great job thanks I will do it myself!!
Man great video, my 4th gear main seal started to leak on my 84 FXSB and was curious on how to repair it.
I understand better by visualizing, so
Thanks for all the detail you explained!
I enjoyed watching this video, and learned a lot. When ever I need to do the transmission of my 74 shovel this video gave me a head start. Personally I would have used more anti seize / copa slip in case it ever has to be opened again. But that is personal and has nothing to do with the knowlege and craftmanship displayed. 👍👍👍
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Damn, 3 hours of freaking knowledge.
Thank you.
Thank you for making such an informative video. I have watched different segments several times and the whole thing at least a couple times.
Thanks again
Excellant instruction excellant filming
Awesome video Frank, good info for anyone who actually wants to do their own work.
Amazing video, thank you for sharing!
Love these type of video
good job frank very informative
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Now I’m really interested! Great video thanks!
Way to go Frank! Good job!😊
Fantastic video excellent !! ✌
Really enjoyed the video
This is the best ratchet top transmission demonstration I have ever seen in 40 years.
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Thanks Frank.
The content was so interesting and well presented the 3 1/2 hours flew by. The repartee between Frank and Mr. White (The parts washer) was as lively as the drama one used to see on American choppers!
Good show.
I would not let the guys on american choppers work on my trans even if you beat me with a 2 x 4.
@@joesurfer9754 I wouldn't even let Mikey take out my trash. Bunch of hacks building trash.
Great video and very informative :)
Great video!
Great content. Thanks for taking the time to produce this. Pulling my 4 speed today.
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I’ve referenced this video numerous times. Thanks for uploading it!
Thanks Tod this stuff is fantastic. More of this please.
I mic the mainshaft at the high gear bushing and just outboard of that. If there is much difference I put shaft in the lathe and pollish the fat place down to match the bushing area. That way when honing the high gear bushing the correct fit can be achieved.
Those fingernail lengths would drive me crazy. He was an awesome mechanic tho. Great videos. Thank you.
Frank is the man
Long video bit the best I've ever seen.
Good job Wes
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I took a ratchet top apart with about 80,000 miles and it looked brand new inside. Could not find hardly any wear in it at all. Of course the shifter with pawls springs return springs were replaced, greased and main shaft seal, counter shaft sprocket, throw out bearing replaced and a kick starter added.
Great video
This is perfect for everything except the fact it’s lacking an external kickstart spring removal because that one is a tough trick i wish i had
12” adjustable wrench…I love it😂
Very informative , easy to understand and no picturesque words.
compliments
Great content bro.
You're a Dying Breed brother Rock on
amazing
Perfect … I am also working on a 65 that has sat for 20 years … thank you
Nice! I'm working on a 66 that sat for 20 years...
I too am working on a 76 4-speed that has sat for 15 years. This is a good video - thanks. Also great is the series from Tatro Machine on a 4-speed rebuild - lots of "finer points" details.
@@kevinc.9360 Actually..... these guys have a ton of more finess than Tatro. He knows his bikes, but he is slamming everything around for no reason. I can't even watch it.
@@ollelindskog4531 Depends on how you define finesse. Tatro definitely slams things around for no reason a lot. But he goes about things from a machinist's POV as opposed to a mechanic's POV. Slight difference, but you can learn a ton from his knowledge/experience and the depth and detail he goes into.
@@kevinc.9360 I don't really agree. I've been a machinist for 30 years and I've done some things the wrong way and learned 🤣. Sometimes Tatro acts like a damn newbie. Some of the stuff he does in his milling machine is right out dangerous. If it was me, I sure would edit my videos a lot more.
Very intelligent individual here...
thank you for the in depth video, just wow! do you have any link to that special puller?
I chose the intersepter over a used bonnie because I didn't want to deal with shim and bucket valve adjustment
i wish they had You tube videos forty years ago. Man , did i have to learn the hard way. This is very helpful! thanks.
Thanks for your time and knowledge Frank. Much appreciated for those of us who are new to 4 speeds.
Thanks. !
We can listen to this man all day long! And to Mr white too
I like these how to videos! Now all we need is an engine video. Maybe a shovel head or Panhead disassembly/rebuild video!
Check out tatro, he’s got a fair bit of tear down and servicing vids. Pacific Mike too
Thank you for providing this video. Very interesting - and perfect timing to release this given so many people stuck at home.
I love learning about old Harley's... Bitchin video.... Dude is cool as cash....... Philly
Thanks
Great information , Thanks
The clutch on my ‘77 FXE 4 speed does not engage when cold. So I need a clear strip of road every time I put it in gear and have to warm it up a few times around the block before it loosens up.
Any idea why this is happening? I adjusted the clutch cable correctly and still nothing.
Great video! Do you have a # for the blue Jim’s two piece tool shown in the video. The only one I can find is for a 5 speed and not a 4 speed for that small mainshaft/4th gear seal.
Thanks!
thanks for being you and what you do
This is fantastic
Very informative visually and explaining the entire procedure ...
You Guys Are The Best on You Tube.
I agree with both you and Gayle on this topic, mainly because stock stretches, HT studs n bolts don't, it puts more stress on threads ( tearing them out of the block) when you have high compression or overbooked situations.
I'd rather blow out head gaskets, than completely destroy the engine because the head bolts or studs ripped outta the block😂😂😂 besides, the actual metalugists that designed the factory head bolts designed them for expansion and contraction extending engine life and reliability under " normal" which I call sane or " adult driven" use.
Studs are for racers that can afford to fund several back up engines ready to install and lots of backup cash from their sponsors😂😂 so that doesn't come out of pocket.
Normal Joe's like me, want maximum reliability, ease of maintenance, and not spend a billion dollars on rebuilds, I want the wind in my face for years between rebuilds, not 1/4 mile at a time, Harleys weren't designed for that. They were for adventure, long comfortable trips, soaking in the sights and experiences of the open road, and fellowship of like minded people👍💯
Noticed that 4th gear was not test fit with the spacer, sprocket, and nut to check for end play prior to putting the main shaft in place. Also, what about end play of 3rd gear too?
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Hey @lowbrowcustoms can you guys do a video about rebuilding iron head trans? Sincerely an iron head enthusiast singing the low down broke down Harley Davidson blues.
I think saddletramp has a video on it the problem with iron heads is there’s two different transmissions right and left hand shift
I have never seen anyone put roller bearings together like that. Use better grease, and put the rollers in the case first.
Excelente vídeo!
On my wedding night my wife asked me, "whats wrong"? I said. "I'm worried about my shaft turning inside the case".
Did you shim up the end play in the cluster shaft? (From an earlier video)
Hey my name is Chris I noticed yesterday that what you were changing the oil in the Shovelhead that you used Valvoline SAE oil was that regular automotive oil or was it made for motorcycles
How many of these builds are missing the kick starter return spring cover?
I think this will cover my fx four speed too, mr. Frank. All I ned is some Jims parts I guess
What is the name of the complete rebuild kit? Where can I get one?
Great video. Thanks for putting this out!
super video
On my 1974 FL I have to push the heel and toe shifter almost to the floor board to shift. There is very litle play in the linkage going to the top of the tranny. What do you think is worn out in there?
Great video, Frank! I'm learning a ton. Please keep it up!
what's the puller separator brand? i didn´t find one similar
Nice job guys! This is a great video, getting ready to do mine soon, exactly what I needed. Thanks for passing the knowledge!
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Set screw removed around 19:44 secs of video. Notice in the video the set screw for the shifter rod had not been replaced or reinstalled at time 3:03:26 secs. Can clearly see the threads. Just curious if needed to be put back in place. Just an observation.
He put it back in. It's under the gasket.
At 56 when pulling off the ratchet gear what’s that tool name or part number for that tool I can’t seem to find it
At 2:52:20 - look at the mark on the high/drive gear tooth. Ouch.
The only thing missing is now high/4th/drive gear is manufactured with a groove for an o-ring, well at least Andrews does, not sure about anyone else. Or, V-Twin sells the drive gear spacer with an o-ring in the inside. Both of those go a long way to preventing the notorious leak better than any amount of sealer goop.
3:08:00 - No gasket sealer - not buying it. I predict it'll be a weaper pretty quickly even with the honing that was done.
I have a '77 4 speed with the 44 loose ball bearings. Does that make it an early model trans? Need to know which Jim's kit to purchase... Thanks!
Give Todd a call on our tech support line 1-855-935-5050 he can better assist you there.
Just curious as to why the trans wasn’t cleaned in the parts washer before disassembly?
Why do it twice.?
Interesting... I inquired about the JIMS main shaft seal tool previously, and my questions appears to have disappeared!
At ~2:20:25 in the video is that the 2256 (1 and 2) setup?
CapnDrift yes that seams to be the tool. Just looked up part number on google and looks very similar
@@lowbrowcustoms The numbers are on the tools. I could see 2256-2 on the sleeve, but nothing on the driver. What confuses me is that I contacted JIMS and they told me they didn't have a 4 speed tool. Obviously, the five speed works on the four (shrug).
Yous should do a how to on cv carbs I think they are a great carb when set up good and not alot of people no about them or how to tune them
Why would someone throw a fit they've never seen an allen punch? I guarantee those same people have used a wrench hammer or a fist hammer.
Thanks for the walkthrough on this transmission
You can trust a man with a beard who wares oil staind overalls and dos'nt ware nancy boy latex gloves .Great stuff ;-)
@Edge64 "Then he put the 7 thou in? For what to verify the 7 thou gauge is smaller than the twelve? " Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one.
Hello, could you please tell what does this small ball do on starter clutch 2:36:27, the ball with spring under? Thanks
Hi , no need to answer, I got it !!
I'm curious, when you use the stone over the gasket areas. Is that something that you learned about in MMI? I'm wondering because my uncle went there in the late 80's and when he passed away a few years ago I inherited his tools. Inside his box with the reamer , hones and so forth he had some knife sharpening stones. I'm now wondering if it's for this exact same thing you was using it for. He always had sharp knives as well but he kept those stones in a certain case.... and also I see your CLUTCH sticker. That's awesome right there :) I seen them 3 times and they always put on a killa show.
Trevor, did your go the one north of Phoenix or the one in Florida. I graduated from Phoenix MMI in '79-80
@@mikeashcraft4354 it was the one in Orlando FL. I just watched this again and I really appreciate you and your knowledge. Thank you.
Didn't watch video, just came to see if I can get a response. I wanted to get rid of the Rinky dink oil slinger in my 76 ratchet top, it always Strips out Where it's not spinning. I can't adjust for less clutch or it won't hold it back at a stop In Gear. So I installed an old school Throw out bearing, Had a machine shop make me a super hard push rod the right shorter length. But it just eats the Adjustment screw, (cheap ass aftermarket) I tried the one with the ball bearing and it just seized then eat itself. It's a five finger open primary. Help please.
At least the bolts aren't all rusted. Self lubricating chassis.. Just because it hasn't run for a number of years, doesn't mean you couldn't have cleaned and pressure washed it first
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏bravo
How much does it weigh if you had to guess? Thanks.
I NEVER put loctite on aluminum threads. Use gasket sealer. it wont come out but if it does it wont take the threads with it. Learned that from an 80 year old working race engine machinist telling me how to stop my exhaust bolt in the head from vibrating out. Has not come lose again in last 20 years. Will someone please buy this guy some drifts.
What type of gasket sealer would you recommend when using as a thread locker in aluminum?
Someone get this guy a muzzle?