I always saw "non-denominational" more as a personal thing as opposed to a church thing. Meaning, it is a way of a person to explain who they are. "I was raised Wesleyan and attended a Presbyterian church in college, but now I go to a Baptist church." Or something like that. Not having a loyalty to or membership in a specific denomination.
@@VincenzoRutiglianoDiaz I would say my upbringing and Theology is interdenominational. A mix of input from everywhere. But personally I would be nondenominational because I don't feel rooted in one singular group.
@@byzantinephilosopher How? I said nothing about what I believe or what is taught at the churches I have attended. Where is grace lacking? I am bound to Jesus Christ, not some earthly arrangement.
To me nondenominational churches usually have an origin in an established protestant religion, but have values, beliefs, or rituals that vary from that denomination. If you are part of a denomination you have to yield to their rules and processes. I have been to Churches that have dropped the name of a denomination, but on the surface seem the same. Now there are regulatory organizations for nondenominal churches. I grew up in military chapels, where chaplains of many protestant denominations rotated through. I liked it because the focused was not on any one denomination and I learned about other dominations. I wasn't asked what type of protestant I was until I moved to Georgia...in the Bible Belt! 😅 It never dawned on me that it mattered until then. Now I am UMC; it feels just like the chapels I grew up in, in terms of practices and service contents and format. And I was used to pastors moving around.
At 50 seconds you have about the best summary. In my experience having been in many they generally are Baptists (80%) or Charismatic (20%) who don't want to say so publicly and who do not desire any accountability beyond the local congregation.
They are still christians like... They just don't follow the government rule type that organized religions do. If you think organized religions are not bureaucratic and ran just like governments then you don't know anything about how organized religions works. A nonsensical maintain church still teaches the Bible like any other church they are still Christian they are just very laid back and the power of the church is in its members not in a group of people who run the denomination
@@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow you chose a man made Church and heresy over Jesus's True Church and docrines, come back to the Church, protestantism is not the way
My former Church of over 5 years is non-denominational. + Local Episcopal (we had a board of Ministry, but the Senior Pastor had power over literally everything). We only voted on a board of trustees for him to report monthly finances to. + Believers Baptism (never heard of any re-baptism). + Seemed Dispensational (all other was pretty much what you said). Now I'm in an EFCA Church that's more traditional as opposed to the much more contemporary non-denominational church I attended (both are blended and both prefer expository preaching). Happy early Reformation Day and God bless Joshua :)
I myself attend a non-denominational church. Mine is a bit more baptist-leaning, with a symbolic view of the Lord's Supper and believers baptism (though as far as I can tell, we don't insist on rebaptism) and our worship is definitely contemporary. We're on the theologically conservative side. In a nod to the Restoration movement, we accept no creed but the Bible itself. By the way, we use the 66-book canon because all Christians accept at least those books. We are actually part of a larger, multi-congregation fellowship that supports us in behind-the-scenes matters like organizing missions and offering legal and financial guidance. I've met the leader of the fellowship, and when I told him that he is technically our bishop, he joked "They won't let me get a ring, man!" We are non-denominational because we reject the division of the Church into denominations as unbiblical. We're all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ. I remember in one sermon, our pastor referenced St. Augustine, Martin Luther and John Wesley together. All Christians are welcome in our congregation.
Not all churches that insist on "no creed but the Bible itself" got that stance from the Restorationist movement--some arrived at that conclusion independently. I grew up in a church that called itself non-denominational because they said the Bible gives Christians no name other than Christian. It was very rigid in its belief structure. People like St. Augustine, Martin Luther, or John Wesley would have NEVER been referenced from the pulpit--except rarely to say why they were wrong. People weren't welcome in that congregation unless they agreed 100% with everything being taught by the leadership.
Non-denominational is a type of denomination in itself. Rejecting the creeds opens up the church into many potential heresies and beliefs that are not found in the apostolic church
@@eddybarajas5115 There's a family that sits near me on Sundays who used to be part of the local ward of the LDS Church, so yes. I don't know if they still believe the Book of Mormon or not, as I haven't asked; I doubt it, since there's probably a reason they left that ward. I'm certain that the rest of my congregation rejects it and other distinct LDS teachings.
@NikoR96 Or they could be like my family. We think no one, including ourselves, has it 100% right and don't want to mentally put ourselves in a box. I have yet to find a denomination that I 100% agree with, which would be bad anyway because I have *something* wrong in my theology somewhere and it would just create an echo chamber.
Non-denominational churches do exist, especially in America. They’re basically modern day separatists and do not believe that religious laws or religious ceremonies are necessary for salvation. They take issue with the church being an institution and base most of their beliefs on the New Testament. They’re a lot more lenient with a person not becoming an official member and believe a person’s salvation depends on that individual’s commitment to the New Testament. Baptists believe baptism will create salvation, non denominational Christians believe your acceptance of Jesus Christ is your only way to salvation. A lot of baptists become non-denominational to get away from church politics and gossip. Catholics become non-denominational to get away from the ceremonial aspects. Non-denominational churches also tend to be a lot more progressive and openly accept anyone to attend services. I’ve met amazing people from many different denominations so it’s all personal preference.
Might be interesting to talk about those non-denominational churches that are a denomination in themselves. Would Hillsong or Elevation be considered a denomination? Those bodies have a charismatic person acting as a bishop (pope) over those networks. Or even a local megachurch just tied to one city might have multiple campuses with one pastor (acting as a bishop) in charge of all of them.
I did make a video examining the gray area of that question, Hillsong & Elevation are both mentioned, here it is if you haven't seen it: ua-cam.com/video/4XWidDVRjN0/v-deo.html I also have a video coming in January or February on another similar nondenominational multisite that has become a denomination in itself.
Hillsong Church (which has several church campuses with their own local pastors and local leadership), after splitting from the Australian Christian Churches (ACC)-Assemblies of God (AG) are in effect their own Pentecostal denomination both organizationally and even theologically (they have somewhat diverged theologically from the Assemblies of God); they claim to be a single independent/non-denominational church but exhibit a lot of characteristics of being a denomination in and of itself but with a very very tight grip from the main church/denominational leadership. Elevation Church is still part of the Southern Baptist Convention so it’s not a non-denominational church nor is it’s it’s own individual denomination.
Ill tell you why that statement makes no sense. Its like if you had to fill in the blank which religion are you? A) muslim b) christian or c) no religion. Which would you pick? If you said B then you are in a religion. If you said C you cant call yourself a christian. You guys just change the definition of religion to usually mean “man made traditions” which of course is what every single denomination is trying to avoid lol.
@@timboslice980 Yes I am, But 1 Corinthians 1:10 "I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment." meaning there should not be denominations, and James 1:26 "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless." meaning that religion is worthless considering it deceives individuals, and Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through him, so now we know that Jesus Christ Is the only way and any religions that say they are true are false and/or misguided, So I Know Jesus Christ was Right Considering The Bible Is Right, Religion Says That working will save you While Christianity says that faith will save you
@@johneggboy Whats awesome about the catholic church is it was the church before the divisions. You honestly cant blame us if those other churches decided not to listen to Paul. Look at the coptics, oriental orthodox, and eastern orthodox schisms. If you just isolate those 4 ancient churches and see who broke away from who, youll find that the Catholic church is literally the only church that fought against these schisms and were never even once guilty of one! Fast forward 500 years from the great schism and youll see theres still just 4 churches in the world each with doctrines that are so similar theyre nearly impossible to distinguish. In fact when the orthodox broke away from the catholics, it took generations for the people to even realize they were in a different church! Then we have the Protestant rebellion and we find the brand new unheard of doctrines of sola fide and sola scriptura. Can you imagine the first 1500 years of Christianity they had no concept of “scripture is the only infallible authority” for the vast majority of the faith they relied on the church to teach people what scripture meant. Now anybody can make up their own mind what the bible means. Now we have hundreds of Protestant denominations, dozens of theologies, and no way to settle the differences. Jesus said that we should take the matter before the church to decide. If the brother does not agree with the church, should we let him be as a gentile and tax collector? Do you agree with Jesus? Paul says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. How can this be true if the church is simply the invisible collection of all believers? How can they settle matters like Christ said? How can we say the church is the pillar of truth when it cannot even settle simple matters like whether baptism is symbolic or effectual? Whether it is necessary to get into heaven or whether you can just skip if you feel like it. Protestants literally argue over every single doctrine and they can’t settle any issue beyone “my interpretation or yours” the denominations are all wrong. Only the catholic church is the true anti denominational church. We have tried since each of these schisms to reunite the church. Which other church is trying to unite rather than divide? The methodists just split in half, the presbys a few years before that, baptists look like theyre next. And non denom churches are like shopping in the canned food isle with no labels. Some speak in tongues, some preach health and wealth, my friends’ pastor is telling him he needs to give 10% or he wont make it to heaven. You cant say that you have no religion if you believe in christ. That means you believe in the things he tells you to do. Those processes are religiois rituals. I know you dont like it but jesus says to do things a certain way. You can ignore him if you want but its kind of weird to say you believe in Jesus, just not his commandments or advice for our life. What you guys really have a problem with are traditions you identify as non biblical. Those are usually identified by Protestants as man made traditions and are given the illogical label “religious” traditions. These are taught to be avoided by Protestant pastors like the plague but an unbiased look at scripture will show you how religious christ was and how religious the apostles were. You can see them developing the religion, establishing new rules, spreading out and teaching. If you look at church history, youll see the church that founded all these churches around the world believed the same things! The catholics in kiev didnt have a different teaching than the ones in india or the ones in syria. They all had the same exact doctrines. Catholics and the ancient churches still hold to these traditions. You can reject what the bible teaches and just believe in jesus if you want but id advise you read the warning in james about that kind of faith.
My home church is congregational, we'd vote after service on things thatvneeded decisions, our pastor was pentecostal, we sang hymns, my friends mother played the piano.
My church is non denominational and we welcome all walks of life and I do mean all walks of life. We’re a very welcoming church and no matter what your personal beliefs are we will always welcome you in and treat you like family. Sadly there’s not many churches like ours
Love your videos man. I myself am non-denominational. Most non-denominational churches are pretty clear on what they believe and put their beliefs on their websites. The one I go to is Pentecostal leaning. It just doesn’t have the order and systems that a denomination would have and stands by itself. I’ve found that some are wild, but there’s a lot of really good ones that truly have brothers and sisters in Christ. I think the biggest fall in Christianity was when churches became organizations and businesses and not a body. While I would say that there IS a huge body of Christ throughout all denominations, and I rejoice in that, it’s hard to ignore how denominations, when a certain size, really do become a company and the focus changes from worship to making money and drawing people in.
I agree with most of what you have to say, but the last idea in your last sentence is totally off the mark. Jesus commanded us to draw people in. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matthew 28:19-20) "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16) "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:46-47) "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" (Romans 10:14-15)
@@bigscarysteve of course we should be drawing people in. The point I’m making is that we shouldn’t need to draw them in with a Starbucks inside, a rock concert, food, prizes etc. If you use those to draw people in, you have to continue using those to keep them there. Draw them in with the gospel and keep them there with the gospel. I feel like the motivation isn’t evangelism as much as it is getting a bigger church for monetary reasons.
@@jamesrebuck I agree completely. Christians are the salt and light of the world and thus the thing that should attract unbelievers should be Christ in us. To swap out Christ for a concert and a goodie bag is in a way being ashamed of the Gospel. We don't think that the Gospel will draw in unbelievers so we offer worldly goods instead. I don't have a problem with churches having fancy worship, free coffee or food or anything(I'm for it even) but that cannot be the selling point or like you said that's all people will stay for.
Do you have any recommendation for someone who's searching for a Pantecostal church/non-denom deliverance ministry type of place of worship, how do I avoid the "wild ones" and go straight to the good ones? Any clues? I almost went to a Oneness Pentecostal church so that was a close call!
There was a time in my life that this was appealing. Now I think it is wise tolearn from the history--the old history of the early church. Very few errors are really new.
I definitely agree with this. I also used to be part of a non-denominational church. Nobody really cared about the history of the church and some of them believe that having church doctrine is bad. I became a Presbyterian. We wish that everyone was as nerdy as us. It's pretty boring when no one else you know likes to talk about the same things.
It would be very interesting to do a more in depth video about Nondenominational Churches as far as their roots and their Theology verses the 'main line" Protestant" Churches.
Just about every non-denominational church I've been to functionally denies the sacraments, reducing them to human ordinances. They ignore the plain words of Christ Jesus regarding the bread and wine in the Lord's Supper, reducing it to little more than an empty memorial. They also plainly ignore 1 Peter 3:21 regarding baptism, usually reducing it to some sort of outward sign of an inward change, which isn't even scriptural. Not to mention that the conversion experience isn't scriptural either. The only conversion experience recorded in scripture was Saul, who became the Apostle Paul, and that was a one time event with a specific purpose, which was stated very plainly in scripture. I will never attend another non-denominational church again if I can help it. If a Lutheran church isn't available, then I will settle for Roman Catholic.
What denomination is our Lord Jesus Christ? Or, the Apostle Paul? Or anyone of the disciples? Thank you for the information. You always give a researched and reasonable review.
"Mine!" Says everyone In all seriousness, we have the writings of the disciples of the apostles (such as Ignatius of Antioch (Peter), Polycarp (John) and Clement of Rome(Peter/Paul)) and their disciples, so reading them might give a good sense Likewise, the Catholic, Orthodox and Anglicans can trace their leadership back to the apostles (this bishop was ordained by this Bishop who was ordained by that bishop... Who was ordained by Andrew, or Peter, or whoever) if that counts for anything in your eyes
They are Catholic, Jesus founded one Church all other split off and started by men. The Church in the Bible had Bishops, Priests, Deacons. Peter said BAPTISM now saves you. Jesus said. This is my body. He didn't say it's a symbol....I could go on and on.
We don't like denominations, so we made another denomination. I don't much see the point, whatever your nondenominational church says they still have some type of belief set, they're just choosing not to label it. Also, I'm pretty sure in the US that all churches need to have a denomination for legal reasons. Even if they don't tell you what that is.
We are non-denominational because we reject the division of the Church into denominations as unbiblical (John 17:2--23 and 1 Corinthians, well, basically all of it, but especially 1:10-17 and 3). We're all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ as one Church. This leaves us with two options: (1) trace the history of the Church and decide which denomination we feel is the "true" church, be it Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, or Baptist, and in so doing perpetuate the divisions of the Church, or (2) reject denominational labels altogether and just say "I am a Christian." Having said that, I do get what you are saying as far as the fact we are still forced by necessity to make certain decisions about what we actually believe and preach. Even how many books are in our Bibles and which translation we use are not neutral decisions. However, at least in my congregation, all Christians are welcome and we ignore any other labels beyond that.
@@RobertGrif Ultimately I think labels are good. People want to know what they are getting into and what a Church teaches and having an actual name for your denomination does make that easier to do.
@@RobertGrif I want to add that it is true, the Bible is saying their should not be any denominations. Either we are one Church or we are not one Church. Therefore, there must be a Church that is the true Church and the others are not living in the fullness of the faith. That is exactly why I am a Catholic. Because I don't believe in denominations, I believe the only true Church is the Catholic Church. I realize you don't believe that, but I am making a point that I agree with you that there cannot be different Churches. That is chaos and that's why I've rejected protestantism.
Most are more or less Baptist in their beliefs, they just won't come out and say it. Dispensationalism wouldn't also surprise me as being very common (unfortunately). Most are usually culturally conservative, too, though rarely fundamentalist. Progressive or liberal non-denoms do exist ,but they are very rare.
I enjoy a church group that studies the Bible together and the preacher/pastor doesn't yell his/her message to the congregation as if their all hard of hearing!!
* Non-denominational has two meanings: (1) a church that is not part of structured denominational organization but has a set theological-tradition of Christianity it is a part of (like an independent Baptist or Lutheran church with no connection to a denomination organization); or (2) an independent church that doesn’t have a set tradition in that it’s theological-tradition is a combination of several theological-traditions, for example a church that is some sort of combination between Baptist, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Wesleyan-Low Church Methodist, and Low Church Pietistic Lutheranism all wrapped up into one. * Interdenominational(ism) has four meanings (a term used mostly by Evangelicals): (1) cooperation between multiple denominations and/or non-denominational churches that may (most of the time) have similar beliefs but aren’t one denomination for historical/geographic reasons or have medium-sized theological disagreements that haven’t impeded their cooperation (it ranges between Full Communion to Ecumenicism which are terms mostly used by Catholic, Orthodox, Theological Liberal, High Church, and American Mainline churches); (2) It can be synonymous with an independent/non-denominational church that is has a theological-tradition that is a combination of several traditions like a cross between Mennonite and Pentecostal; (3) A church that is a member of multiple denominations; or (4) A denomination that was founded by a merger of multiple denomination that have had their own historically distinct traditions but have come to a theological agreement (it is similar to what the Theological Liberals and Continental European State Churches call “United and Uniting churches”).
By your definitions, the congregation that I attend would be non-denominational under definition #2 or inter-denominational under definition # 2; our worship style looks a whole lot like contemporary Baptist congregations, but many of us (myself included) have charismatic views, our current Senior Pastor used to preach at a Cavalry Chapel congregation before we hired him, we co-sponsor an EFCA mission, and some teachings that our pastors preach show the influence of the Stone-Campbell Restoration movement. Our doors are open to all Christians regardless of labels. The first time that I showed up for worship at this congregation, the sermon mentioned St. Augustine, Martin Luther, and John Wesley, all of whom were shown in a positive light. The one thing I would note is that we are part of a fellowship of about 200 congregations that cooperate in areas like the training of pastors and missionaries, church planting, offering campsites for youth summer camps, and legal/financial support. Therefore, the degree to which we are "independent" could be questioned.
I'm from Southern California. I grew up in a Baptist church, which had the word Baptist in the title (which, of course is autonomous, but interconnected with other churches in our Baptist denomination). But in Southern California, a lot of churches spiritualized being nondenominational, and looked down on our church because we acknowledge our heritage and denominational connections. In doing ministry with other Christians in my hometown, I was rebuked for being part of a denomination. A lot of churches would take the denomination out of the church's name to make it sound more nondenominational. I personally hated it, because it was like they were ashamed of what they were, or were trying to hide their beliefs behind a more generic title. Because going to a church of my own background is somewhat important to me (not 100% necessary, but it has a place in my priorities), it was sometimes hard to identify what denomination a church was, since it was so minimized. While I agree 100% that being a Bible-believing Christian is the most important thing, it is no less spiritual to care about what vein of church history your church tradition comes from, or what theological positions you hold. I got so tired of the false spirituality of people claiming to be nondenominational (often when their church was strongly affiliated with other "nondenominational " churches that shared a logo and certain core beliefs and followed the same pastors. There would be no shame in admitting they were, in fact, a denomination, but in Southern Californian Christianity, I found that borders on heresy to some people. Once my husband and I moved out of state, that brand of legalism ceased to exist. We have lived in 5 states, and have not met any non-Californian Christians who virtue signal about being nondenominational. If a church is nondenominational, it isn't viewed as more spiritual. I'll hasten to add that it is equally wrong to be hung up on your denomination to the point that you won't acknowledge other believers, or to make your traditions more important than the Bible. I think that mentality is what proponents of "nondenominationalism" in Southern California are trying to avoid. Everywhere has it's challenges, but I'm glad to be away from the self-righteousness of virtue signal nondenominationalism. One more aspect of nondenominationalism that makes me uncomfortable is that without denominational oversight, there can be a lack of accountability, and corruption in leadership can occur. This doesn't mean it does, only that it removes some of the checks and balances that protect church members from misuse of power. The more accountability and balance of power, the more comfortable I feel. Personally, I will only go to congregationally-led churches, but I know many godly people who attend other kinds of Christian churches. I'm not putting anyone down, just sharing what I've found works for me.
I am catholic but my local Baptist church changed its name to "Lifted Church" and has a modern aesthetic now. I imagine they did it to compete with the other non-denominational church "Christ Fellowship" which is a south Florida denomination. One would imagine that the point of being non-denominational would be to put all other denominations in the same level (Relativism) but it looks like what they do is pretend their modern take is the original (and orthodox) They are no different from a denomination in its own right. In my country of origin we call all protestants "Evangelicals" and I think that it is a better way to describe non-denominational protestants even though Evangelical in the USA has a different connotation.
I'm sorry you had that experience. I live in California and attend a non-denominational congregation, though I'm in central California, so maybe that makes a difference. I have never heard of anyone from my congregation shunning or looking down on fellow Christians over accepting a label. I see such behavior as un-Biblical, un-Christian, and perpetuating the very thing we became non-denominational to fight against.
From what I’ve seen at non-denominational churches (at least the one I mainly go to) they can be a hit or miss. Mine is extremely biblically accurate while others are basically a different denomination. Just depends. Some are in the middle.
I always found non-doms to be very Christian, often either evangelical or fundamentalist. Non-doms are more likely willing to call themselves strictly Christian rather than what their church is called.
That’s pretty much what the church in my neighborhood is, except it does not look like a concert hall like what you showed in the photos. It looks and feels like a simple basic church. Now, I am very brand new to it so I haven’t yet heard their views on baptism, but they’re breathing on the fumes of baptist because one of their partner churches is a Baptist Church.
I suppose my fellowship falls under the category or non-denominational. Some of these things are accurate. Our main focus is the message and example of Christ. We keep the Sabbath, eat clean, keep the appointed times on Leviticus 23 and have an elder run leadership.
Many Baptists are shying away from the term "Baptist". So there arec churches that previously had Baptist in their name but now have something shortened or more generic.
@@Hark1677 My guess is a more ecumenist approach; I'm a Baptist, but I never really was indoctrinated to hate other denominations, and as a result I'm far more open to hearing other people out. I think others like me are just going a bit further.
Not always true. They may be theologically Baptist but they are technically non-denominational due to not being organizationally part of a denomination. While other non-denominational churches with a separate non-Baptist origin started to grow closer theologically to look very identical to Baptist churches. For example, I know of some Baptist like the Swedish Baptists/Converge (denomination) that originated out of the Pietist-Radical Pietist movement of/was pushed out of the Church of Sweden (Lutheranism) while the most well known Baptists like Baptists proper/Southern Baptists/American Baptists (Northern Baptists) have origins in the English Dissenter moment that broke from the Church of England (Anglicanism); although these two came from separate traditions they reached the same conclusion on topics of theology.
My church is non-denominational, but we're historically Plymouth Brethren. I don't believe PB qualifies as a denomination. We're independent, have no pastor, but a speaker's committee instead. Our speakers can be someone from within our church or an outside speaker approved by the speaker's committee. We are governed by elders who are recognized annually. We practice breaking of bread weekly and do believer's baptism by immersion.
Great video, love the burn where they are almost always Baptist or charismatic despite not defining as independent. Sadly many of these churches but not all grow as "seeker sensitive" largely poaching members from other denominations instead of starting from scratch.
As someone who attends a non-denominational congregation, I don't see his description in this video as a burn at all, but just a simple acknowledgement of reality.
When i hear, “Nondenominational,” it seems like an unintentional confession that the person isn’t willing to stand up for what he believes, or worse he is simply claiming his sectarian views to be right in an immature veiled way.
I don't claim a denomination because my church just follows Jesus Christ through his word. Yet people still want to force us categorically into a denomination or under protestantism. We just follow Christ.
So I’m Non-Denominational, and I have been my whole life, we have an assembly called the Gospel Hall, we are a smaller church in Pennsylvania, and there are hundreds of Gospel Hall Assembly’s in the world, Canada, Ukraine, Ohio, Philadelphia, Seattle, Florida, Texas, Alaska, and many many more assembly’s in places like that, we follow more of the New Testament traditions, we dress up, suits ties for men, dresses and head coverings for women. We have no music Sundays or Wednesdays, only hymn book and everyone singing old hymns, we don’t have a pastor, we have elders, the assembly im in we have 4 elders. We don’t believe you need to be baptized to be saved, we believe that you have to be saved to be baptized, not baptized to be saved, every Sunday morning we do the cup of wine and bread in remembrance of the Lords body and blood on the cross.
Non-denominational churches are a denomination unto themselves. They all have similar theology and worship services. They are, in fact, a denomination. Putting NON in front of the name doesn't mean they're not a denomination.
The only reason I go to a non-denominational church is because I have interpretations or Christianity and the scripture that would be rejected at any denomination. For example I believe in some kind of purgatory (it's clear in the Bible) but I don't share many Catholic traditions, I believe similar to Mormons that non Christians can be saved, I believe baptism is necessary, I believe you can lose salvation, I definitely don't believe in only by faith (I agree with Orthodox Christians) but I disagree that sola scriptura is non valid just due to the fact that it's very hard to know which transitions are actually valid, I like the protestant preaching style of talking scripture verses (sometimes out of context but is ok) in order to teach something practical in life, I do agree with Jehovah witnesses that we shouldn't celebrate anything, etc etc etc
"Christian rock doesn't make religion better, it just makes rock n roll worse." - Hank Hill This describes my feelings going into some of these "modern" churches lmao
Reading these comments make it hard for someone to become Christian. Everyone is so judgmental and quick to say “you’re wrong” which is exactly why non-denominational exists in the first place.
Isn’t it amazing how Sola Scriptura has lead to thousands of different denominations who claim that they have the fullness of Christian truth based solely on the Bible?
Coming from a focus of spirituality. Having 45,000 denominations of Christianity. Sounds ludicrous aren't we one faith under God. After splitting apart so much you think you would come cycling around to unity under the Trinity
What do you mean when you say just about anybody can start a non-denominational church? Is that a real thing? Cuz if it is, I have some ideas about how I'd like church services to be 😝
For me, being a non-denominational church starts right away following the history of the christian churches according to the Bible. They had no stupid earthly denominations (Pentecostal, Baptist, Evangelical, Catholic, Luteran, Episcopalian) since they were known by their location (Patmos, Philadelphia, Antioch, Laodicea, Ephesus, Pergamum, Sardis...). The churches back then sustained heated discussions about the Gospel and JesusChrist's teachings. No dress code, a leading pastor and a very open line for discernment (if any).
A nendenominational church is really just an independent denomination. In Protestantism ecclesiology is relativistic under the doctrine of 'the autonomy of the local church'. But what does that actually mean, and mean according to the NT and the continuity nature of the ancient patristic churches? I feel out branch of Christendom could benefit from some form of a kind of representational council and all the fracturing 'bodies' can find ways to partner and benefit from each other.
Non-denominational churches are scared to say what they really are. A lot are Baptist or Pentecostal, but you never know until you visit. I prefer a church with a denomination in the title. No surprises.
I find it funny that if you see an American describe themself as "Christian" on social media without any further elaboration, they're most likely going to turn out to be someone who aligns with what Joshua describes here, but they don't practice their supposed faith. If you see a Russian describe themself as "Christian" without further elaboration, it means they're a non-practicing Russian Orthodox.
Not always true. They may be theologically Baptist or Pentecostal but they are technically non-denominational/independent due to not being organizationally part of a denomination.
@@bigscarysteve This is false. Most people say they’re Christian because they see that being Christian (in general) is more important than being part of a specific denomination. For example I grew up in and go to churches that are part of multiple denominations with similar beliefs and cooperate together/are in full communion with each other. I usually say I’m a Christian or Evangelical Christian because I go to both a Baptist and Pentecostal churches and my uncle is an ordained pastor to both Baptist and Mennonite denominations, as well as being authorized to preach at a Pentecostal denomination, and my Baptist denomination shares a theologically seminary with Pentecostal, Mennonite, and Lutheran denominations that they are in full communion with so most of us just go by Christian or Evangelical Christian.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- It’s not a denomination until it contains one or more local churches. * Non-denominational has two meanings: (1) a church that is not part of structured denominational organization but has a set theological-tradition of Christianity it is a part of (like an independent Baptist or Lutheran church with no connection to a denomination organization); or (2) an independent church that doesn’t have a set tradition in that it’s theological-tradition is a combination of several theological-traditions, for example a church that is some sort of combination between Baptist, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Wesleyan-Low Church Methodist, and Low Church Pietistic Lutheranism all wrapped up into one. * Interdenominational(ism) has four meanings (a term used mostly by Evangelicals): (1) cooperation between multiple denominations and/or non-denominational churches that may (most of the time) have similar beliefs but aren’t one denomination for historical/geographic reasons or have medium-sized theological disagreements that haven’t impeded their cooperation (it ranges between Full Communion to Ecumenicism which are terms mostly used by Catholic, Orthodox, Theological Liberal, High Church, and American Mainline churches); (2) It can be synonymous with an independent/non-denominational church that is has a theological-tradition that is a combination of several traditions like a cross between Mennonite and Pentecostal; (3) A church that is a member of multiple denominations; or (4) A denomination that was founded by a merger of multiple denomination that have had their own historically distinct traditions but have come to a theological agreement (it is similar to what the Theological Liberals and Continental European State Churches call “United and Uniting churches”).
@@leullakew9579 That's funny. Whenever I ask somebody who's identified simply as a "Christian" which church they go to, I never get an answer of multiple churches. It's always some hemming and hawing and then, "Well, I don't actually go to church...." Yeah--right.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- It is the most apostate world religion who has chronological scandals that prove what charlatans have occupied the popes seat. Or should we call it Throne? One day a voice will cry out Babylon the Great has fallen; Has fallen. Then all the representatives of the False prophet ( popes) the beast ( Satan) used to cheat God out of souls, time for him to be thrown into the fires of the bottomless pit. The ones who chose their apostate blasphemy over eternity with God, will have weeping and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- no, Jesus is right, you are wrong. Jewish Christian is the first church that was established, and it still exists today as Messianic judaism. Go away heretic
Could you please do a video comparing Christianity; Jehovah Witnesses, SDA, Catholics, Mormons? I love how you do your simple charts making information so clear Example: Salvation only in Christ ✅ or ❌
Are you linking Roman Catholics with Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons? Roman Catholics are Christians. I'm guessing you're a Baptist.
@@jacksprattt6396 No sir I am not Baptist at all. I did grow up RC and I know the pit falls in RC - but i would love to see a well charted comparison. Thank you kindly.
In other words, there's no such thing as a non-denominational church. And if they're calling themselves by that title they are either being dishonest, or can't find a name that summarizes all the ecclesiological or theological points they agree/disagree about.
0:55 the christian assemblies I atend are not contemporary , have no pastor,but people who can function as elder, have very calm services, we sing from very old hymns, are non pentecostal or charismatic, and any man if appointed by the holy Ghost could anounce a hymn,pray alloud as mouth of the gathering or preach, we have sister 'cells' (although we call it assemblies,based on greek word ecclesia) who are in comunion via the Holy supper ( i called it cells for convenience) all around the globe evry country at least 1 ,if so far we know off.
8 - 4 - 23 #1 Would that be the SAME SATAN of Adventism and Mormonism ? #2 LDS : SATAN the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ SAME AS......... SDA : SATAN the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expense Try it , Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE !
Has anyone in this comment section encountered a "non-denominational" congregation that, instead of having a creed that voting members must affirm, has a list of doctrines that may not taught in such a way as to give the impression that any of those doctrines are "taught" by that congregation as a group? For example, if one of the doctrines NOT taught by that congregation is double predestination, that doesn't mean that no member may promote it - only that, if it is taught, it is represented as the teacher's private belief rather than the belief of the congregation as a whole.
So in essence there truly is no such thing as "non-denominational"... as each church has its own history and how it was influenced by a denominational background of sorts or at the very least influenced by it's founders decided views. In which all person's views have been influenced by someone else in history. I chuckle everytime someone asks for a reference for a good "non-denominational church" to attend. 🥴.
Lol so I'm not with the "norm" since I like orthodox and byzantine. I wear a head covering all the time and I do have a dress code. If it's not really hot, I'm trying to have knees and elbow covered. I was baptized and raised roman catholic. I like non denominational since unity is through Jesus. ..Bible..with no missing parts of Esther..
The believing thief who died next to Jesus was a non-denominational Christian, faith got him into Heaven, to late to get religion. I call myself an independent Christian, less syllables.
Oh, man started them far further back than that - the schism of the Church of the East happened all the way back in AD 424, but I do wholeheartedly agree with you.
Non denominational to me means I am a fool for Christ. If orthodox and catholic cant reconcile differences then why should i be so clever? I'll listen to a catholic, or a baptist, or read some of the 88 books of the Ethiopian bible. Even with 66 books, in my lifetime I wont uncover all layers of the onion, and I am no dummy. Non denominational predates denominationalism. That means we don't have to be protestants. A lot of people don't get that part of non denominational. Some great things have been done in ALL Christian churches. And heresies in all as well. In no place can you let down your guard. So, to claim denominational superiority might just be too proud for me to avow. I'll stay a fool and instead of worrying what other Christians do, I will do as I am instructed. To feed His sheep. John 21 20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? You follow Me!”
I believe non denominational and most of the things you said are wrong for example we do have a dress code and we are old fashion red back hymnal singing Churches not contemporary Christian
I always saw "non-denominational" more as a personal thing as opposed to a church thing. Meaning, it is a way of a person to explain who they are. "I was raised Wesleyan and attended a Presbyterian church in college, but now I go to a Baptist church." Or something like that. Not having a loyalty to or membership in a specific denomination.
Inter-denominational?
@@VincenzoRutiglianoDiaz I would say my upbringing and Theology is interdenominational. A mix of input from everywhere. But personally I would be nondenominational because I don't feel rooted in one singular group.
Unfortunately it seems your church and beliefs are graceless.
@@byzantinephilosopher How? I said nothing about what I believe or what is taught at the churches I have attended. Where is grace lacking? I am bound to Jesus Christ, not some earthly arrangement.
To me nondenominational churches usually have an origin in an established protestant religion, but have values, beliefs, or rituals that vary from that denomination. If you are part of a denomination you have to yield to their rules and processes. I have been to Churches that have dropped the name of a denomination, but on the surface seem the same. Now there are regulatory organizations for nondenominal churches.
I grew up in military chapels, where chaplains of many protestant denominations rotated through. I liked it because the focused was not on any one denomination and I learned about other dominations. I wasn't asked what type of protestant I was until I moved to Georgia...in the Bible Belt! 😅 It never dawned on me that it mattered until then. Now I am UMC; it feels just like the chapels I grew up in, in terms of practices and service contents and format. And I was used to pastors moving around.
At 50 seconds you have about the best summary. In my experience having been in many they generally are Baptists (80%) or Charismatic (20%) who don't want to say so publicly and who do not desire any accountability beyond the local congregation.
They are still christians like... They just don't follow the government rule type that organized religions do. If you think organized religions are not bureaucratic and ran just like governments then you don't know anything about how organized religions works. A nonsensical maintain church still teaches the Bible like any other church they are still Christian they are just very laid back and the power of the church is in its members not in a group of people who run the denomination
I was roman catholic baptized and raised but I'm non denominational.
Unity is through Jesus.
@@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow you chose a man made Church and heresy over Jesus's True Church and docrines, come back to the Church, protestantism is not the way
@@andrew0.033 I'm not protestant.
My former Church of over 5 years is non-denominational.
+ Local Episcopal (we had a board of Ministry, but the Senior Pastor had power over literally everything). We only voted on a board of trustees for him to report monthly finances to.
+ Believers Baptism (never heard of any re-baptism).
+ Seemed Dispensational
(all other was pretty much what you said).
Now I'm in an EFCA Church that's more traditional as opposed to the much more contemporary non-denominational church I attended (both are blended and both prefer expository preaching).
Happy early Reformation Day and God bless Joshua :)
Our kids do church activities at an EFCA church and we love the people there, their services just aren't our style.
All the denominations out there , and Christ The Lord had ONE and It was to follow Him .
I myself attend a non-denominational church. Mine is a bit more baptist-leaning, with a symbolic view of the Lord's Supper and believers baptism (though as far as I can tell, we don't insist on rebaptism) and our worship is definitely contemporary. We're on the theologically conservative side. In a nod to the Restoration movement, we accept no creed but the Bible itself. By the way, we use the 66-book canon because all Christians accept at least those books.
We are actually part of a larger, multi-congregation fellowship that supports us in behind-the-scenes matters like organizing missions and offering legal and financial guidance. I've met the leader of the fellowship, and when I told him that he is technically our bishop, he joked "They won't let me get a ring, man!"
We are non-denominational because we reject the division of the Church into denominations as unbiblical. We're all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ. I remember in one sermon, our pastor referenced St. Augustine, Martin Luther and John Wesley together. All Christians are welcome in our congregation.
Not all churches that insist on "no creed but the Bible itself" got that stance from the Restorationist movement--some arrived at that conclusion independently. I grew up in a church that called itself non-denominational because they said the Bible gives Christians no name other than Christian. It was very rigid in its belief structure. People like St. Augustine, Martin Luther, or John Wesley would have NEVER been referenced from the pulpit--except rarely to say why they were wrong. People weren't welcome in that congregation unless they agreed 100% with everything being taught by the leadership.
Non-denominational is a type of denomination in itself. Rejecting the creeds opens up the church into many potential heresies and beliefs that are not found in the apostolic church
Yes same!
Would you welcome Mormons?
@@eddybarajas5115 There's a family that sits near me on Sundays who used to be part of the local ward of the LDS Church, so yes. I don't know if they still believe the Book of Mormon or not, as I haven't asked; I doubt it, since there's probably a reason they left that ward. I'm certain that the rest of my congregation rejects it and other distinct LDS teachings.
A Non-denominational church is just basically a canned food without a label...
@NikoR96 Or they could be like my family. We think no one, including ourselves, has it 100% right and don't want to mentally put ourselves in a box. I have yet to find a denomination that I 100% agree with, which would be bad anyway because I have *something* wrong in my theology somewhere and it would just create an echo chamber.
Non-denominational is what the early Church was, catholic with the lowercase c....
Anything might be inside
@NikoR96 totally agree my friend
worse. you can read the label on canned food. nondevoms are just heretics by a different name
Super helpful.
Baptist Churches often fall into this too. Though it depends on what flavor of Baptist and how dogmatic each church is to each thing
Non-denominational churches do exist, especially in America. They’re basically modern day separatists and do not believe that religious laws or religious ceremonies are necessary for salvation. They take issue with the church being an institution and base most of their beliefs on the New Testament. They’re a lot more lenient with a person not becoming an official member and believe a person’s salvation depends on that individual’s commitment to the New Testament. Baptists believe baptism will create salvation, non denominational Christians believe your acceptance of Jesus Christ is your only way to salvation. A lot of baptists become non-denominational to get away from church politics and gossip. Catholics become non-denominational to get away from the ceremonial aspects. Non-denominational churches also tend to be a lot more progressive and openly accept anyone to attend services. I’ve met amazing people from many different denominations so it’s all personal preference.
Might be interesting to talk about those non-denominational churches that are a denomination in themselves. Would Hillsong or Elevation be considered a denomination? Those bodies have a charismatic person acting as a bishop (pope) over those networks. Or even a local megachurch just tied to one city might have multiple campuses with one pastor (acting as a bishop) in charge of all of them.
I did make a video examining the gray area of that question, Hillsong & Elevation are both mentioned, here it is if you haven't seen it: ua-cam.com/video/4XWidDVRjN0/v-deo.html
I also have a video coming in January or February on another similar nondenominational multisite that has become a denomination in itself.
Hillsong Church (which has several church campuses with their own local pastors and local leadership), after splitting from the Australian Christian Churches (ACC)-Assemblies of God (AG) are in effect their own Pentecostal denomination both organizationally and even theologically (they have somewhat diverged theologically from the Assemblies of God); they claim to be a single independent/non-denominational church but exhibit a lot of characteristics of being a denomination in and of itself but with a very very tight grip from the main church/denominational leadership. Elevation Church is still part of the Southern Baptist Convention so it’s not a non-denominational church nor is it’s it’s own individual denomination.
Im a non denominational Christian teenage 17 year old male, and we go by the saying its not a religion its a relationship
Ill tell you why that statement makes no sense. Its like if you had to fill in the blank which religion are you? A) muslim b) christian or c) no religion. Which would you pick?
If you said B then you are in a religion. If you said C you cant call yourself a christian. You guys just change the definition of religion to usually mean “man made traditions” which of course is what every single denomination is trying to avoid lol.
@@timboslice980 religion is man made, Christianity is Godly made, and I am 18 now
@@johneggboy So answer my question if its so simple. Are you a christian or not?
@@timboslice980 Yes I am, But 1 Corinthians 1:10 "I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment." meaning there should not be denominations, and James 1:26 "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless." meaning that religion is worthless considering it deceives individuals, and Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through him, so now we know that Jesus Christ Is the only way and any religions that say they are true are false and/or misguided, So I Know Jesus Christ was Right Considering The Bible Is Right, Religion Says That working will save you While Christianity says that faith will save you
@@johneggboy Whats awesome about the catholic church is it was the church before the divisions. You honestly cant blame us if those other churches decided not to listen to Paul. Look at the coptics, oriental orthodox, and eastern orthodox schisms. If you just isolate those 4 ancient churches and see who broke away from who, youll find that the Catholic church is literally the only church that fought against these schisms and were never even once guilty of one!
Fast forward 500 years from the great schism and youll see theres still just 4 churches in the world each with doctrines that are so similar theyre nearly impossible to distinguish. In fact when the orthodox broke away from the catholics, it took generations for the people to even realize they were in a different church!
Then we have the Protestant rebellion and we find the brand new unheard of doctrines of sola fide and sola scriptura. Can you imagine the first 1500 years of Christianity they had no concept of “scripture is the only infallible authority” for the vast majority of the faith they relied on the church to teach people what scripture meant. Now anybody can make up their own mind what the bible means. Now we have hundreds of Protestant denominations, dozens of theologies, and no way to settle the differences.
Jesus said that we should take the matter before the church to decide. If the brother does not agree with the church, should we let him be as a gentile and tax collector? Do you agree with Jesus?
Paul says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. How can this be true if the church is simply the invisible collection of all believers? How can they settle matters like Christ said? How can we say the church is the pillar of truth when it cannot even settle simple matters like whether baptism is symbolic or effectual? Whether it is necessary to get into heaven or whether you can just skip if you feel like it.
Protestants literally argue over every single doctrine and they can’t settle any issue beyone “my interpretation or yours” the denominations are all wrong. Only the catholic church is the true anti denominational church. We have tried since each of these schisms to reunite the church. Which other church is trying to unite rather than divide? The methodists just split in half, the presbys a few years before that, baptists look like theyre next. And non denom churches are like shopping in the canned food isle with no labels. Some speak in tongues, some preach health and wealth, my friends’ pastor is telling him he needs to give 10% or he wont make it to heaven.
You cant say that you have no religion if you believe in christ. That means you believe in the things he tells you to do. Those processes are religiois rituals. I know you dont like it but jesus says to do things a certain way. You can ignore him if you want but its kind of weird to say you believe in Jesus, just not his commandments or advice for our life.
What you guys really have a problem with are traditions you identify as non biblical. Those are usually identified by Protestants as man made traditions and are given the illogical label “religious” traditions. These are taught to be avoided by Protestant pastors like the plague but an unbiased look at scripture will show you how religious christ was and how religious the apostles were. You can see them developing the religion, establishing new rules, spreading out and teaching. If you look at church history, youll see the church that founded all these churches around the world believed the same things! The catholics in kiev didnt have a different teaching than the ones in india or the ones in syria. They all had the same exact doctrines. Catholics and the ancient churches still hold to these traditions. You can reject what the bible teaches and just believe in jesus if you want but id advise you read the warning in james about that kind of faith.
My home church is congregational, we'd vote after service on things thatvneeded decisions, our pastor was pentecostal, we sang hymns, my friends mother played the piano.
I am enjoying these 2 minutes videos. Well done!
My church is non denominational and we welcome all walks of life and I do mean all walks of life. We’re a very welcoming church and no matter what your personal beliefs are we will always welcome you in and treat you like family. Sadly there’s not many churches like ours
Love your videos man. I myself am non-denominational. Most non-denominational churches are pretty clear on what they believe and put their beliefs on their websites.
The one I go to is Pentecostal leaning. It just doesn’t have the order and systems that a denomination would have and stands by itself.
I’ve found that some are wild, but there’s a lot of really good ones that truly have brothers and sisters in Christ.
I think the biggest fall in Christianity was when churches became organizations and businesses and not a body.
While I would say that there IS a huge body of Christ throughout all denominations, and I rejoice in that, it’s hard to ignore how denominations, when a certain size, really do become a company and the focus changes from worship to making money and drawing people in.
I agree with most of what you have to say, but the last idea in your last sentence is totally off the mark. Jesus commanded us to draw people in.
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matthew 28:19-20)
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16)
"And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:46-47)
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" (Romans 10:14-15)
@@bigscarysteve of course we should be drawing people in. The point I’m making is that we shouldn’t need to draw them in with a Starbucks inside, a rock concert, food, prizes etc. If you use those to draw people in, you have to continue using those to keep them there. Draw them in with the gospel and keep them there with the gospel.
I feel like the motivation isn’t evangelism as much as it is getting a bigger church for monetary reasons.
@@jamesrebuck I agree completely. Christians are the salt and light of the world and thus the thing that should attract unbelievers should be Christ in us. To swap out Christ for a concert and a goodie bag is in a way being ashamed of the Gospel. We don't think that the Gospel will draw in unbelievers so we offer worldly goods instead. I don't have a problem with churches having fancy worship, free coffee or food or anything(I'm for it even) but that cannot be the selling point or like you said that's all people will stay for.
@@jordantowner5995 Amen! Salt and light.
What we need is for a church to be The Church, you know?
Do you have any recommendation for someone who's searching for a Pantecostal church/non-denom deliverance ministry type of place of worship, how do I avoid the "wild ones" and go straight to the good ones? Any clues?
I almost went to a Oneness Pentecostal church so that was a close call!
There was a time in my life that this was appealing. Now I think it is wise tolearn from the history--the old history of the early church. Very few errors are really new.
I definitely agree with this. I also used to be part of a non-denominational church. Nobody really cared about the history of the church and some of them believe that having church doctrine is bad.
I became a Presbyterian. We wish that everyone was as nerdy as us. It's pretty boring when no one else you know likes to talk about the same things.
It would be very interesting to do a more in depth video about Nondenominational Churches as far as their roots and their Theology verses the 'main line" Protestant" Churches.
Versus *
I think the term Bapta-costal fits most.
MethoBapticostal
Just about every non-denominational church I've been to functionally denies the sacraments, reducing them to human ordinances. They ignore the plain words of Christ Jesus regarding the bread and wine in the Lord's Supper, reducing it to little more than an empty memorial. They also plainly ignore 1 Peter 3:21 regarding baptism, usually reducing it to some sort of outward sign of an inward change, which isn't even scriptural. Not to mention that the conversion experience isn't scriptural either. The only conversion experience recorded in scripture was Saul, who became the Apostle Paul, and that was a one time event with a specific purpose, which was stated very plainly in scripture. I will never attend another non-denominational church again if I can help it. If a Lutheran church isn't available, then I will settle for Roman Catholic.
If there’s no Lutheran church available, you’ll settle for the church Luther was protesting against?
@@Hark1677 Well, Lutherans and Catholics have made some headway towards reconciliation in the last century, so it isn't that unreasonable.
@@zacharygustafson8714 I grew up Lutheran, and hope they don’t become unequally yoked with that apostate church.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- No thanks, they have problems too.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- in much of the same ways.
I always learn a lot from your vids.Thanks for posting.God bless you and yours.
What denomination is our Lord Jesus Christ? Or, the Apostle Paul? Or anyone of the disciples? Thank you for the information. You always give a researched and reasonable review.
"Mine!" Says everyone
In all seriousness, we have the writings of the disciples of the apostles (such as Ignatius of Antioch (Peter), Polycarp (John) and Clement of Rome(Peter/Paul)) and their disciples, so reading them might give a good sense
Likewise, the Catholic, Orthodox and Anglicans can trace their leadership back to the apostles (this bishop was ordained by this Bishop who was ordained by that bishop... Who was ordained by Andrew, or Peter, or whoever) if that counts for anything in your eyes
They are Catholic, Jesus founded one Church all other split off and started by men. The Church in the Bible had Bishops, Priests, Deacons. Peter said BAPTISM now saves you. Jesus said. This is my body. He didn't say it's a symbol....I could go on and on.
Orthodox
@@R.C.A.Twrong!
I feel like my local non-denominational church is basically a baptist church that decided they wanted to drink alcohol 😂
I guess so but the bible allows drinking so any denomination that is against it isn't biblical
I'll drink to that, but just one. Moderation.
Im non denominational and that means I don’t claim any religion. I am a Born Again Christian. There are no denominations in heaven
Common sense
PREACH!!!
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@@Zamiwellwell There are No denominations in the New Testament only Christians. 😁😁
Same
We don't like denominations, so we made another denomination.
I don't much see the point, whatever your nondenominational church says they still have some type of belief set, they're just choosing not to label it.
Also, I'm pretty sure in the US that all churches need to have a denomination for legal reasons. Even if they don't tell you what that is.
So true. You win the comments.
Legally, no. If they call themselves a "Christian Church", that is good enough for most business licenses.
We are non-denominational because we reject the division of the Church into denominations as unbiblical (John 17:2--23 and 1 Corinthians, well, basically all of it, but especially 1:10-17 and 3). We're all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ as one Church. This leaves us with two options: (1) trace the history of the Church and decide which denomination we feel is the "true" church, be it Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, or Baptist, and in so doing perpetuate the divisions of the Church, or (2) reject denominational labels altogether and just say "I am a Christian."
Having said that, I do get what you are saying as far as the fact we are still forced by necessity to make certain decisions about what we actually believe and preach. Even how many books are in our Bibles and which translation we use are not neutral decisions. However, at least in my congregation, all Christians are welcome and we ignore any other labels beyond that.
@@RobertGrif
Ultimately I think labels are good. People want to know what they are getting into and what a Church teaches and having an actual name for your denomination does make that easier to do.
@@RobertGrif
I want to add that it is true, the Bible is saying their should not be any denominations. Either we are one Church or we are not one Church. Therefore, there must be a Church that is the true Church and the others are not living in the fullness of the faith. That is exactly why I am a Catholic. Because I don't believe in denominations, I believe the only true Church is the Catholic Church. I realize you don't believe that, but I am making a point that I agree with you that there cannot be different Churches. That is chaos and that's why I've rejected protestantism.
Like most Mexicans I was born in a Catholic Family, but I converted to a Charismatic None denominational Church.
Came here for 'Baptist light'. Succeeded. Thank you.
Non-denomination: "What we believe" is a 5-10 point sheet on the website and we don't think about it much.
It's a scam. They know that most people assume it means non-doctrinal, even though they represent a very specific doctrinal movement (evangelicalism).
This channel is a valuable resource and great to reference. 😏
I've heard them referred to tongue-in-cheek as Bapticostal churches.
Tim Hawkins once said, "Non-Denominational is just Baptist with a cool website."
Hehheh, true. My Lutheran pastor more or less said the same years ago.
Most are more or less Baptist in their beliefs, they just won't come out and say it. Dispensationalism wouldn't also surprise me as being very common (unfortunately).
Most are usually culturally conservative, too, though rarely fundamentalist. Progressive or liberal non-denoms do exist ,but they are very rare.
I enjoy a church group that studies the Bible together and the preacher/pastor doesn't yell his/her message to the congregation as if their all hard of hearing!!
* Non-denominational has two meanings: (1) a church that is not part of structured denominational organization but has a set theological-tradition of Christianity it is a part of (like an independent Baptist or Lutheran church with no connection to a denomination organization); or (2) an independent church that doesn’t have a set tradition in that it’s theological-tradition is a combination of several theological-traditions, for example a church that is some sort of combination between Baptist, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Wesleyan-Low Church Methodist, and Low Church Pietistic Lutheranism all wrapped up into one.
* Interdenominational(ism) has four meanings (a term used mostly by Evangelicals): (1) cooperation between multiple denominations and/or non-denominational churches that may (most of the time) have similar beliefs but aren’t one denomination for historical/geographic reasons or have medium-sized theological disagreements that haven’t impeded their cooperation (it ranges between Full Communion to Ecumenicism which are terms mostly used by Catholic, Orthodox, Theological Liberal, High Church, and American Mainline churches); (2) It can be synonymous with an independent/non-denominational church that is has a theological-tradition that is a combination of several traditions like a cross between Mennonite and Pentecostal; (3) A church that is a member of multiple denominations; or (4) A denomination that was founded by a merger of multiple denomination that have had their own historically distinct traditions but have come to a theological agreement (it is similar to what the Theological Liberals and Continental European State Churches call “United and Uniting churches”).
By your definitions, the congregation that I attend would be non-denominational under definition #2 or inter-denominational under definition # 2; our worship style looks a whole lot like contemporary Baptist congregations, but many of us (myself included) have charismatic views, our current Senior Pastor used to preach at a Cavalry Chapel congregation before we hired him, we co-sponsor an EFCA mission, and some teachings that our pastors preach show the influence of the Stone-Campbell Restoration movement. Our doors are open to all Christians regardless of labels. The first time that I showed up for worship at this congregation, the sermon mentioned St. Augustine, Martin Luther, and John Wesley, all of whom were shown in a positive light.
The one thing I would note is that we are part of a fellowship of about 200 congregations that cooperate in areas like the training of pastors and missionaries, church planting, offering campsites for youth summer camps, and legal/financial support. Therefore, the degree to which we are "independent" could be questioned.
@@RobertGrif I don’t agree with all definitions but these are all major definitions I’ve seen used by most Evangelicals.
I'm from Southern California. I grew up in a Baptist church, which had the word Baptist in the title (which, of course is autonomous, but interconnected with other churches in our Baptist denomination). But in Southern California, a lot of churches spiritualized being nondenominational, and looked down on our church because we acknowledge our heritage and denominational connections. In doing ministry with other Christians in my hometown, I was rebuked for being part of a denomination. A lot of churches would take the denomination out of the church's name to make it sound more nondenominational. I personally hated it, because it was like they were ashamed of what they were, or were trying to hide their beliefs behind a more generic title. Because going to a church of my own background is somewhat important to me (not 100% necessary, but it has a place in my priorities), it was sometimes hard to identify what denomination a church was, since it was so minimized. While I agree 100% that being a Bible-believing Christian is the most important thing, it is no less spiritual to care about what vein of church history your church tradition comes from, or what theological positions you hold. I got so tired of the false spirituality of people claiming to be nondenominational (often when their church was strongly affiliated with other "nondenominational " churches that shared a logo and certain core beliefs and followed the same pastors. There would be no shame in admitting they were, in fact, a denomination, but in Southern Californian Christianity, I found that borders on heresy to some people. Once my husband and I moved out of state, that brand of legalism ceased to exist. We have lived in 5 states, and have not met any non-Californian Christians who virtue signal about being nondenominational. If a church is nondenominational, it isn't viewed as more spiritual. I'll hasten to add that it is equally wrong to be hung up on your denomination to the point that you won't acknowledge other believers, or to make your traditions more important than the Bible. I think that mentality is what proponents of "nondenominationalism" in Southern California are trying to avoid. Everywhere has it's challenges, but I'm glad to be away from the self-righteousness of virtue signal nondenominationalism. One more aspect of nondenominationalism that makes me uncomfortable is that without denominational oversight, there can be a lack of accountability, and corruption in leadership can occur. This doesn't mean it does, only that it removes some of the checks and balances that protect church members from misuse of power. The more accountability and balance of power, the more comfortable I feel. Personally, I will only go to congregationally-led churches, but I know many godly people who attend other kinds of Christian churches. I'm not putting anyone down, just sharing what I've found works for me.
I am catholic but my local Baptist church changed its name to "Lifted Church" and has a modern aesthetic now. I imagine they did it to compete with the other non-denominational church "Christ Fellowship" which is a south Florida denomination.
One would imagine that the point of being non-denominational would be to put all other denominations in the same level (Relativism) but it looks like what they do is pretend their modern take is the original (and orthodox) They are no different from a denomination in its own right.
In my country of origin we call all protestants "Evangelicals" and I think that it is a better way to describe non-denominational protestants even though Evangelical in the USA has a different connotation.
I'm sorry you had that experience. I live in California and attend a non-denominational congregation, though I'm in central California, so maybe that makes a difference. I have never heard of anyone from my congregation shunning or looking down on fellow Christians over accepting a label. I see such behavior as un-Biblical, un-Christian, and perpetuating the very thing we became non-denominational to fight against.
Please know baptism is necessary for salvation
1 Peter 3:21
Acts 2:28-39
wow! that was a pretty quick and - what i think, accurate and concise - explanation!
From what I’ve seen at non-denominational churches (at least the one I mainly go to) they can be a hit or miss. Mine is extremely biblically accurate while others are basically a different denomination. Just depends. Some are in the middle.
I've noticed the Churches of Christ like to say that they are "undenominational" rather than non-denominational.
Thank you,Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹
I always found non-doms to be very Christian, often either evangelical or fundamentalist. Non-doms are more likely willing to call themselves strictly Christian rather than what their church is called.
That’s pretty much what the church in my neighborhood is, except it does not look like a concert hall like what you showed in the photos. It looks and feels like a simple basic church. Now, I am very brand new to it so I haven’t yet heard their views on baptism, but they’re breathing on the fumes of baptist because one of their partner churches is a Baptist Church.
You just described my church 100% accurately
I’m non-denominational but was born and raised Catholic.
I follow the Bible alone through the guidance of the Holy Spirit
You got it a 100% right describing our local church 😂
I might be tempted to use the title Independent Non-Fundamentalist Baptists.
This is KIND OF accurate as a non denominational minister myself.
I suppose my fellowship falls under the category or non-denominational. Some of these things are accurate. Our main focus is the message and example of Christ. We keep the Sabbath, eat clean, keep the appointed times on Leviticus 23 and have an elder run leadership.
Many Baptists are shying away from the term "Baptist". So there arec churches that previously had Baptist in their name but now have something shortened or more generic.
I haven’t heard of this. Why are they shying away?
@@Hark1677 My guess is a more ecumenist approach; I'm a Baptist, but I never really was indoctrinated to hate other denominations, and as a result I'm far more open to hearing other people out. I think others like me are just going a bit further.
Not always true. They may be theologically Baptist but they are technically non-denominational due to not being organizationally part of a denomination. While other non-denominational churches with a separate non-Baptist origin started to grow closer theologically to look very identical to Baptist churches. For example, I know of some Baptist like the Swedish Baptists/Converge (denomination) that originated out of the Pietist-Radical Pietist movement of/was pushed out of the Church of Sweden (Lutheranism) while the most well known Baptists like Baptists proper/Southern Baptists/American Baptists (Northern Baptists) have origins in the English Dissenter moment that broke from the Church of England (Anglicanism); although these two came from separate traditions they reached the same conclusion on topics of theology.
Could you have a video where you go deeper into the subject?
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My church is non-denominational, but we're historically Plymouth Brethren. I don't believe PB qualifies as a denomination. We're independent, have no pastor, but a speaker's committee instead. Our speakers can be someone from within our church or an outside speaker approved by the speaker's committee. We are governed by elders who are recognized annually. We practice breaking of bread weekly and do believer's baptism by immersion.
Great video, love the burn where they are almost always Baptist or charismatic despite not defining as independent.
Sadly many of these churches but not all grow as "seeker sensitive" largely poaching members from other denominations instead of starting from scratch.
As someone who attends a non-denominational congregation, I don't see his description in this video as a burn at all, but just a simple acknowledgement of reality.
@@RobertGrif it's because more often than not these churches are lying about themselves and acting as some sort of neutral ground for Christianity.
When i hear, “Nondenominational,” it seems like an unintentional confession that the person isn’t willing to stand up for what he believes, or worse he is simply claiming his sectarian views to be right in an immature veiled way.
I don't claim a denomination because my church just follows Jesus Christ through his word. Yet people still want to force us categorically into a denomination or under protestantism. We just follow Christ.
Baptism is necessary for salvation, 😐
Mark 16:16
So I’m Non-Denominational, and I have been my whole life, we have an assembly called the Gospel Hall, we are a smaller church in Pennsylvania, and there are hundreds of Gospel Hall Assembly’s in the world, Canada, Ukraine, Ohio, Philadelphia, Seattle, Florida, Texas, Alaska, and many many more assembly’s in places like that, we follow more of the New Testament traditions, we dress up, suits ties for men, dresses and head coverings for women. We have no music Sundays or Wednesdays, only hymn book and everyone singing old hymns, we don’t have a pastor, we have elders, the assembly im in we have 4 elders. We don’t believe you need to be baptized to be saved, we believe that you have to be saved to be baptized, not baptized to be saved, every Sunday morning we do the cup of wine and bread in remembrance of the Lords body and blood on the cross.
Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/DTn8-nsYrMI/v-deo.html
Non-denominational churches are a denomination unto themselves. They all have similar theology and worship services. They are, in fact, a denomination. Putting NON in front of the name doesn't mean they're not a denomination.
I attend a nondemoniational church and we are litterally baptists
I always say very church is says nondenominational are either Baptist or Charismatic. I have yet to meet one that breaks the rule.
@@Sunset-87 most churches in Coverage (John Piper’s denomination) most churches say they are nondenominational. So I am jot sure if I agree with that
The only reason I go to a non-denominational church is because I have interpretations or Christianity and the scripture that would be rejected at any denomination. For example I believe in some kind of purgatory (it's clear in the Bible) but I don't share many Catholic traditions, I believe similar to Mormons that non Christians can be saved, I believe baptism is necessary, I believe you can lose salvation, I definitely don't believe in only by faith (I agree with Orthodox Christians) but I disagree that sola scriptura is non valid just due to the fact that it's very hard to know which transitions are actually valid, I like the protestant preaching style of talking scripture verses (sometimes out of context but is ok) in order to teach something practical in life, I do agree with Jehovah witnesses that we shouldn't celebrate anything, etc etc etc
My local non denominational church name is St Brendan The Navigator Catholic Church!! What's yours?
"Christian rock doesn't make religion better, it just makes rock n roll worse." - Hank Hill
This describes my feelings going into some of these "modern" churches lmao
Non-denominational = concert baptist
thanks ....greg
Reading these comments make it hard for someone to become Christian. Everyone is so judgmental and quick to say “you’re wrong” which is exactly why non-denominational exists in the first place.
any church that does not preach directly from the bible is not "Christian"!
Isn’t it amazing how Sola Scriptura has lead to thousands of different denominations who claim that they have the fullness of Christian truth based solely on the Bible?
@@ahappynigerian i think it's amazing how people can disagree with the Bible and call themselves holy
Coming from a focus of spirituality. Having 45,000 denominations of Christianity. Sounds ludicrous aren't we one faith under God. After splitting apart so much you think you would come cycling around to unity under the Trinity
Way ive seen it, most non denominational churches still donate to the southern baptist convention where i live.
What do you mean when you say just about anybody can start a non-denominational church? Is that a real thing? Cuz if it is, I have some ideas about how I'd like church services to be 😝
It is there is no network at times
Can you make a video on Bethel Church Redding California
ProTip: It's Nondenominational Churches Explained in 1 minute if you watch it on 2x speed. 😁
For me, being a non-denominational church starts right away following the history of the christian churches according to the Bible. They had no stupid earthly denominations (Pentecostal, Baptist, Evangelical, Catholic, Luteran, Episcopalian) since they were known by their location (Patmos, Philadelphia, Antioch, Laodicea, Ephesus, Pergamum, Sardis...). The churches back then sustained heated discussions about the Gospel and JesusChrist's teachings. No dress code, a leading pastor and a very open line for discernment (if any).
A nendenominational church is really just an independent denomination. In Protestantism ecclesiology is relativistic under the doctrine of 'the autonomy of the local church'. But what does that actually mean, and mean according to the NT and the continuity nature of the ancient patristic churches? I feel out branch of Christendom could benefit from some form of a kind of representational council and all the fracturing 'bodies' can find ways to partner and benefit from each other.
Non-denominational churches are scared to say what they really are. A lot are Baptist or Pentecostal, but you never know until you visit. I prefer a church with a denomination in the title. No surprises.
I find it funny that if you see an American describe themself as "Christian" on social media without any further elaboration, they're most likely going to turn out to be someone who aligns with what Joshua describes here, but they don't practice their supposed faith.
If you see a Russian describe themself as "Christian" without further elaboration, it means they're a non-practicing Russian Orthodox.
Not always true. They may be theologically Baptist or Pentecostal but they are technically non-denominational/independent due to not being organizationally part of a denomination.
@@bigscarysteve This is false. Most people say they’re Christian because they see that being Christian (in general) is more important than being part of a specific denomination. For example I grew up in and go to churches that are part of multiple denominations with similar beliefs and cooperate together/are in full communion with each other. I usually say I’m a Christian or Evangelical Christian because I go to both a Baptist and Pentecostal churches and my uncle is an ordained pastor to both Baptist and Mennonite denominations, as well as being authorized to preach at a Pentecostal denomination, and my Baptist denomination shares a theologically seminary with Pentecostal, Mennonite, and Lutheran denominations that they are in full communion with so most of us just go by Christian or Evangelical Christian.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- It’s not a denomination until it contains one or more local churches.
* Non-denominational has two meanings: (1) a church that is not part of structured denominational organization but has a set theological-tradition of Christianity it is a part of (like an independent Baptist or Lutheran church with no connection to a denomination organization); or (2) an independent church that doesn’t have a set tradition in that it’s theological-tradition is a combination of several theological-traditions, for example a church that is some sort of combination between Baptist, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Wesleyan-Low Church Methodist, and Low Church Pietistic Lutheranism all wrapped up into one.
* Interdenominational(ism) has four meanings (a term used mostly by Evangelicals): (1) cooperation between multiple denominations and/or non-denominational churches that may (most of the time) have similar beliefs but aren’t one denomination for historical/geographic reasons or have medium-sized theological disagreements that haven’t impeded their cooperation (it ranges between Full Communion to Ecumenicism which are terms mostly used by Catholic, Orthodox, Theological Liberal, High Church, and American Mainline churches); (2) It can be synonymous with an independent/non-denominational church that is has a theological-tradition that is a combination of several traditions like a cross between Mennonite and Pentecostal; (3) A church that is a member of multiple denominations; or (4) A denomination that was founded by a merger of multiple denomination that have had their own historically distinct traditions but have come to a theological agreement (it is similar to what the Theological Liberals and Continental European State Churches call “United and Uniting churches”).
@@leullakew9579 That's funny. Whenever I ask somebody who's identified simply as a "Christian" which church they go to, I never get an answer of multiple churches. It's always some hemming and hawing and then, "Well, I don't actually go to church...." Yeah--right.
Non-denom is peak western mentality haha.
"don't label me, fellow human" 😂
Nobody wants to admit that their sect is a sect. Everyone imagines their own tribe as the only normal one and everyone else as deviations from that.
Why break Jesus into different denominations like changing a $100 bill?
Why categorize your body into different organs?
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- heretical according to whom? The Jewish-Christian church?
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- no it wasn't. Jewish-Christians were. Goodbye heretic.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- It is the most apostate world religion who has chronological scandals that prove what charlatans have occupied the popes seat. Or should we call it Throne?
One day a voice will cry out Babylon the Great has fallen; Has fallen.
Then all the representatives of the False prophet ( popes) the beast ( Satan) used to cheat God out of
souls, time for him to be thrown into the fires of the bottomless pit.
The ones who chose their apostate blasphemy over eternity with God, will have weeping and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness.
@Methodius -Μεθόδιος- no, Jesus is right, you are wrong. Jewish Christian is the first church that was established, and it still exists today as Messianic judaism. Go away heretic
I’m curious on what’s non denominational Christians stance on Sabbath.
There are many religious institutions that are getting in the way of true salvation! It seems to be all about MONEY!
Could you please do a video comparing Christianity; Jehovah Witnesses, SDA, Catholics, Mormons?
I love how you do your simple charts making information so clear
Example: Salvation only in Christ ✅ or ❌
Basically cults vs Christianity
Are you linking Roman Catholics with Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons? Roman Catholics are Christians. I'm guessing you're a Baptist.
@@jacksprattt6396 No sir I am not Baptist at all. I did grow up RC and I know the pit falls in RC - but i would love to see a well charted comparison. Thank you kindly.
@@sues232 can people just respect people religion and move on jeez you can't choose which religion is good or not maybe all religion are cult - JW
That was the fastest two minutes… give me two more.
In other words, there's no such thing as a non-denominational church. And if they're calling themselves by that title they are either being dishonest, or can't find a name that summarizes all the ecclesiological or theological points they agree/disagree about.
0:55 the christian assemblies I atend are not contemporary , have no pastor,but people who can function as elder, have very calm services, we sing from very old hymns, are non pentecostal or charismatic, and any man if appointed by the holy Ghost could anounce a hymn,pray alloud as mouth of the gathering or preach, we have sister 'cells' (although we call it assemblies,based on greek word ecclesia) who are in comunion via the Holy supper ( i called it cells for convenience) all around the globe evry country at least 1 ,if so far we know off.
Just noticed your noise flare in this video.
Why is marriage not a sacrament to them
the body of Christ continues to fracture due to man's pride, obstinacy and disobedience; Satan is surely rejoicing.
8 - 4 - 23
#1
Would that be the SAME SATAN of Adventism and Mormonism ?
#2
LDS : SATAN the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ
SAME AS.........
SDA : SATAN the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
GRACE
G - Gods
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christs
E - Expense
Try it , Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I !
AGAPE !
Has anyone in this comment section encountered a "non-denominational" congregation that, instead of having a creed that voting members must affirm, has a list of doctrines that may not taught in such a way as to give the impression that any of those doctrines are "taught" by that congregation as a group? For example, if one of the doctrines NOT taught by that congregation is double predestination, that doesn't mean that no member may promote it - only that, if it is taught, it is represented as the teacher's private belief rather than the belief of the congregation as a whole.
So in essence there truly is no such thing as "non-denominational"... as each church has its own history and how it was influenced by a denominational background of sorts or at the very least influenced by it's founders decided views. In which all person's views have been influenced by someone else in history. I chuckle everytime someone asks for a reference for a good "non-denominational church" to attend. 🥴.
There is such a thing, but we as diversive human beings, started to split with our own ideas.
A non denominational church is just a single church independent denomination.
They are just more vague about their ideas.
I read the title as if they were releasing a sequel lol
A hard core mishmash of anything..... except Catholic. That's it in a nutshell.
Lol so I'm not with the "norm" since I like orthodox and byzantine.
I wear a head covering all the time and I do have a dress code.
If it's not really hot, I'm trying to have knees and elbow covered.
I was baptized and raised roman catholic.
I like non denominational since unity is through Jesus.
..Bible..with no missing parts of Esther..
I'm from a non-denominational church that leans toward Baptist. They do re-baptize those who had infant baptisms
Anabaptists heresy
The believing thief who died next to Jesus was a non-denominational Christian, faith got him into Heaven, to late to get religion. I call myself an independent Christian, less syllables.
I know Alice Cooper from Camelback Bible Church. Fist bump.
Denominations are not of God. Man started them 505 years ago.
Oh, man started them far further back than that - the schism of the Church of the East happened all the way back in AD 424, but I do wholeheartedly agree with you.
Non denominational to me means I am a fool for Christ. If orthodox and catholic cant reconcile differences then why should i be so clever?
I'll listen to a catholic, or a baptist, or read some of the 88 books of the Ethiopian bible.
Even with 66 books, in my lifetime I wont uncover all layers of the onion, and I am no dummy.
Non denominational predates denominationalism. That means we don't have to be protestants. A lot of people don't get that part of non denominational. Some great things have been done in ALL Christian churches. And heresies in all as well. In no place can you let down your guard.
So, to claim denominational superiority might just be too proud for me to avow. I'll stay a fool and instead of worrying what other Christians do, I will do as I am instructed. To feed His sheep.
John 21
20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?”
21 So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?”
22 Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? You follow Me!”
I believe non denominational and most of the things you said are wrong for example we do have a dress code and we are old fashion red back hymnal singing Churches not contemporary Christian
With non-denominational "Christians", I find it funny that they say that you shouldn't do sports. Ridiculous Utterly ridiculous
That would only be a very small minority that believe something like that. It's certainly not a characteristic of nondenominational churches.
@@ReadyToHarvestThanks for your reply. I never knew why?
I’ve always thought “non-denominational” cannot apply to a church. It’s not really possible.