It’s great that it’s finally in sync now, and to think that it wasn’t actually an echo. Seriously, whoever thought it was an echo obviously doesn’t know how sound works
Your right.. in the end if you know something will work it makes sense to do it then spend alot of time on something that may never work.. specially when time costs money. The cost of a working solution will easily pay for itself in saved time. It was great to hear everything synced. The video wasn't that bad.. and definetly better then no video.
Totally agree with your theory of time vs. material cost. The company I work for liked to ''save money'' on automation direct components only to have myself and the controls engineer troubleshoot machines on start up for days and weeks. We still fight that battle with ''budget'' light curtains.
You don't need to apologize Dude. Your video was fine. I appreciate the fact that you take the time to put anything together. You don't have to do that but you do. Don't ever feel like you need to apologize for doing the best you can do
I absolutely love the PSE 6 and 10s. Their sync protocols have never failed us for either Gentex, System sensor or even Wheelock. Y'all made the right move just removing the other items. My company utilizes the hell out of these and daisy chains them on almost every job lol, lots of options. They can power Modules too and keep a constant 24V using the dip switches under whatever terminals, and the global options. Great video once again man!
@@nics-systems-electric Agreed big time. They make me nervous when I see them tilt. I feel like one of these days im going to snap one off cable managing my fire alarm wire lmao. Other than that, they're fantastic.
Wow you’re Channel has gotten more popular since last time i watched (didn’t watch that much videos in general because of school) congratulations now it’s time for me to catch up with some UA-camrs in my spare time
Really enjoy your videos! Watching them has inspired me to finally change career directions. I’ve applied for an electrical specialist position with my local school district and am going through the interview process. I’ve been wanting to do something different for awhile but had been stuck. Your videos motivated me to make a change! Thank you!!!
Hey that's amazing to hear, I'm really glad to hear you like my content and I could help influence you pursuing that position that's great. good luck with career change!
You are so dedicated, if you would work for my company, i would be proud having you on board. No need to apologise here, love to watch your video's. If a company in Nic's region is looking, hire Nic :)
For a while I used to think the N in your channel icon stood for "Nic" and then after seeing other channels with the same I realised it was the Notifier logo
pro tip: those PS-10 panels accept a EOL resistance range of 2k - 27k ohms for the EOLRs. any resistance in that range is acceptable per the documentation. We installed 2 of those panels in a school to replace some old FCPS-24s and didnt have to swap out resistors.
Yeah that could be true it's giving us problems right now if a circuit is opened it won't go back to normal by itself without resetting it with the current 47K resistors
Could you possibly do some kind of update on your dsc neo? I’m thinking about getting a 16 zone model next month so I’d like to learn as much as I can now.
This is why America code should stick with either speaker strobe or speaker only if it is synced or just annoying pointless electronic horn thing horn to horn or speaker to speaker. To keep it in sync other wise unsync is epilepsy.
Normally these fire alarms would have self synchronization capabilities as it uses a small chip inside of the device but it most likely failed and the sync on the panel failed so it looks like they were all unsynchronized
I noticed this in another video where you did testing as well.. after the pull .. the first signal has 4 beeps.. then it goes into sets of three. in the test video it did it ever time.. 4.. then 3, 3 , 3 ect. Also when you pulled the station there was a loud alarm sound like an alarm was right beside you.. (not the panel beep) then it seemed like it stopped working and you could only here sounders in the distance.
There will almost always be three or four before the synchronization kicks in and gets everything working properly sometimes it might go five or six times I've heard sometimes
I made this comment to fix it on the first video about this. I hate logic cards they suck! Good work. The only thing I may not have done was use the same batteries but that is just preference.
I almost wonder if something was wired wrong when the addition was put up in 2020. I can't find the video of your high school prior to the addition being put up, but I'll bet some money that it had to do with the way something was wired up when the addition was put up. But I could be wrong, but that is just my theory. As far how this video was put together, was there many clips of the process, no. But I still believe you did a good job because I feel like you explained the process very well, plus the couple video clips that you put in + the photos. And that external power supply for the NACs is a better solution, because not only was the old setup not very cost effective, but you are also not putting a bunch of stress on whatever was powering those NACs, not sure if that's right, correct me if I am wrong. But either way, you all did a good job on this!
I think the synchronization had failed before the addition the old set up would have worked fine and been OK if it wasn't mixed with the unboard nac's directly off the 640 as the sync 1A module is not meant to be used as a slave sync only master sync generator
@@nics-systems-electric That SYNC-1(A) seems like a piece of shit to be honest. Even know the NFS2-3030 doesn't have onboard NACs, does it at least have a sync output onboard the CPU?
FYI, I'm not sure how US is but SYNC-1A in canada is basically obsolete in the sense that it's discontinued. An XP6-CA card can use a NAC output as an activation/sync from a PSE6/10 provided your 320/640 is providing control and sync to the PSE10. Assuming you have dipswitches set correctly, this works well if you have class A circuits which are needed for living units in Canada. Keep in mind that this needs to be treated as a speaker even if you are using horns! You would need to take the disable power monitors off and program as CONTROL SPEAKER in verifire/panel. I've tested a number of scenarios with the PSE10 and XP6s. However an ACPS610 is always superior but more expensive.
@@nics-systems-electric Interesting, a building I did recently used an XP6 and no sync-1a. strobes and sound were syncd. From the 320, I have one NAC constant to Input 2 on PSE10 then one NAC sync ZF8 SS to input 1; PSE10 set to input 1 being sync input. From an output on PSE10 I went to the XP6 (master SS used)> It's always harder to explain these weird scenarios and tech support isn't much help, but it is doable.
@@nics-systems-electric I had i idea after I watched your video about power failure notification to your phone device to design the pcb with inputs/outputs that can interface with fire alarm and power ect so it’s more reliable and direct. Instead of using this of the shelf device.
It’s great that it’s finally in sync now, and to think that it wasn’t actually an echo. Seriously, whoever thought it was an echo obviously doesn’t know how sound works
Your right.. in the end if you know something will work it makes sense to do it then spend alot of time on something that may never work.. specially when time costs money. The cost of a working solution will easily pay for itself in saved time. It was great to hear everything synced. The video wasn't that bad.. and definetly better then no video.
Amazing job. Can’t wait to see future fire drills with it in sync
Nice work. I've been in many buildings where nothing is synchronized and it's chaos not being able to coordinate over the constant noise.
it sounds so much better now.
So glad to see that the synchronization is finally fixed! Sounds so much better, great work!
Totally agree with your theory of time vs. material cost. The company I work for liked to ''save money'' on automation direct components only to have myself and the controls engineer troubleshoot machines on start up for days and weeks. We still fight that battle with ''budget'' light curtains.
You don't need to apologize Dude. Your video was fine. I appreciate the fact that you take the time to put anything together. You don't have to do that but you do. Don't ever feel like you need to apologize for doing the best you can do
Thanks glad it was OK
Good job with syncing the school system I'm impressed
Spending $800 on the new panel was definitely the better choice in this case. If it were a hobby project where time is free things would be different.
I absolutely love the PSE 6 and 10s. Their sync protocols have never failed us for either Gentex, System sensor or even Wheelock. Y'all made the right move just removing the other items. My company utilizes the hell out of these and daisy chains them on almost every job lol, lots of options. They can power Modules too and keep a constant 24V using the dip switches under whatever terminals, and the global options. Great video once again man!
Yeah they seem pretty good I'm not a fan of the terminals I find them a little delicate but otherwise they are good
@@nics-systems-electric Agreed big time. They make me nervous when I see them tilt. I feel like one of these days im going to snap one off cable managing my fire alarm wire lmao. Other than that, they're fantastic.
@@YourLocalFireAlarmTech yes same exact feeling here
Wow you’re Channel has gotten more popular since last time i watched (didn’t watch that much videos in general because of school) congratulations now it’s time for me to catch up with some UA-camrs in my spare time
Great video! Very good that it’s synced. Keep up the work
Really enjoy your videos! Watching them has inspired me to finally change career directions. I’ve applied for an electrical specialist position with my local school district and am going through the interview process.
I’ve been wanting to do something different for awhile but had been stuck. Your videos motivated me to make a change! Thank you!!!
Hey that's amazing to hear, I'm really glad to hear you like my content and I could help influence you pursuing that position that's great. good luck with career change!
@@nics-systems-electric thanks!
Yay thanks for the vid nic! Love it!
it might not be legal but unsynceed strobes in the draker theatre look cool....add some loud tunes and we have a rave :)
oo great vid nic! why is the problem even there in the fist place?
Sync-1A is only meant to be used as a master sync generator not slave sync so it would not synchronize and act as a slave from the 640s on board nac's
Keep up the great work
Wow! Nice work
You are so dedicated, if you would work for my company, i would be proud having you on board. No need to apologise here, love to watch your video's. If a company in Nic's region is looking, hire Nic :)
I've been called out at night tons of times for troubles/supervisories.... Most of our clients will send a runner to do a site inspection.
Troubles and supervisors usually are ignored here unless it is during the day
Good video. So glad you finally took that other video down too.
Which video is that? I've taken down a bunch of different videos lately
For a while I used to think the N in your channel icon stood for "Nic" and then after seeing other channels with the same I realised it was the Notifier logo
pro tip: those PS-10 panels accept a EOL resistance range of 2k - 27k ohms for the EOLRs. any resistance in that range is acceptable per the documentation. We installed 2 of those panels in a school to replace some old FCPS-24s and didnt have to swap out resistors.
Yeah that could be true it's giving us problems right now if a circuit is opened it won't go back to normal by itself without resetting it with the current 47K resistors
Could you possibly do some kind of update on your dsc neo? I’m thinking about getting a 16 zone model next month so I’d like to learn as much as I can now.
I'm the wrong guy to ask if you want to learn about it I don't know that much about them but I may do a video on it in the future again at some point
If the fire alarm sync isn't fix it wouldn't sound nice and goes crazy and loud but now its fixed congrats
My school is so out of sync I think sync issues are common in schools ngl
This is why America code should stick with either speaker strobe or speaker only if it is synced or just annoying pointless electronic horn thing horn to horn or speaker to speaker. To keep it in sync other wise unsync is epilepsy.
The est genesis horn strobes at a high school in my district were unsynced, it has silent knight voice evac now.
Normally these fire alarms would have self synchronization capabilities as it uses a small chip inside of the device but it most likely failed and the sync on the panel failed so it looks like they were all unsynchronized
Every school in my district that has/had est were out of sync
I noticed this in another video where you did testing as well.. after the pull .. the first signal has 4 beeps.. then it goes into sets of three. in the test video it did it ever time.. 4.. then 3, 3 , 3 ect. Also when you pulled the station there was a loud alarm sound like an alarm was right beside you.. (not the panel beep) then it seemed like it stopped working and you could only here sounders in the distance.
There will almost always be three or four before the synchronization kicks in and gets everything working properly sometimes it might go five or six times I've heard sometimes
I made this comment to fix it on the first video about this. I hate logic cards they suck! Good work. The only thing I may not have done was use the same batteries but that is just preference.
I almost wonder if something was wired wrong when the addition was put up in 2020. I can't find the video of your high school prior to the addition being put up, but I'll bet some money that it had to do with the way something was wired up when the addition was put up. But I could be wrong, but that is just my theory. As far how this video was put together, was there many clips of the process, no. But I still believe you did a good job because I feel like you explained the process very well, plus the couple video clips that you put in + the photos. And that external power supply for the NACs is a better solution, because not only was the old setup not very cost effective, but you are also not putting a bunch of stress on whatever was powering those NACs, not sure if that's right, correct me if I am wrong. But either way, you all did a good job on this!
I think the synchronization had failed before the addition the old set up would have worked fine and been OK if it wasn't mixed with the unboard nac's directly off the 640 as the sync 1A module is not meant to be used as a slave sync only master sync generator
@@nics-systems-electric That SYNC-1(A) seems like a piece of shit to be honest. Even know the NFS2-3030 doesn't have onboard NACs, does it at least have a sync output onboard the CPU?
@@IanGSully no it does not that's why they are used on the new install we are doing
my middle school’s synchronization was so bad they just put the alarms on continuous
3:32 : Bro farted
Is it legal in Canada to have continuous coding in a school or is T-3 required?
Temporal three is the standard fire evacuation tone for any building now
@@nics-systems-electric so if my school uses continuous would that be a violation?
@@owenhickey13 would depend where you're living as here most systems built before mid 2000s were continuous and can be grandfathered in
Can I see part 1?
So you have your own school?
I go to the school along with 1800 other people
Hello
What is the second system?
Notifier NFS 320 for the portables in the E-house
If I made a discord server for your yt channel would you join
Maybe it was a defective board
I talked about that in the video we had swapped the XP6 CA card as well as the sync 1 A module to rule that out as a problem
FYI, I'm not sure how US is but SYNC-1A in canada is basically obsolete in the sense that it's discontinued.
An XP6-CA card can use a NAC output as an activation/sync from a PSE6/10 provided your 320/640 is providing control and sync to the PSE10. Assuming you have dipswitches set correctly, this works well if you have class A circuits which are needed for living units in Canada. Keep in mind that this needs to be treated as a speaker even if you are using horns! You would need to take the disable power monitors off and program as CONTROL SPEAKER in verifire/panel.
I've tested a number of scenarios with the PSE10 and XP6s. However an ACPS610 is always superior but more expensive.
Yes this is Canada. As far as an XP6-CA acting as a slave sync we had no luck
@@nics-systems-electric Interesting, a building I did recently used an XP6 and no sync-1a. strobes and sound were syncd.
From the 320, I have one NAC constant to Input 2 on PSE10 then one NAC sync ZF8 SS to input 1; PSE10 set to input 1 being sync input.
From an output on PSE10 I went to the XP6 (master SS used)>
It's always harder to explain these weird scenarios and tech support isn't much help, but it is doable.
Thanks, great videos, get in touch if you’d like to colab a video with us.
Thanks, great videos, get in touch if you’d like to colab a video with us.
Thank you very much. I will be sure to do that if the opportunity presents itself
@@nics-systems-electric I had i idea after I watched your video about power failure notification to your phone device to design the pcb with inputs/outputs that can interface with fire alarm and power ect so it’s more reliable and direct. Instead of using this of the shelf device.