EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra - Huge Solar Input & 240V Output!
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2023
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What other questions do you have about the DPU or the Smart Home Panel 2?
How much is it? Is it still a huge secret?
I wished that the DPU had like an 'auto gen start' dry contact input other then that its fenominal.
@@tlteal
$300?
Does the smart panel charge the batteries?
I had the same question - how much ?
Great new detail on this product!
Thanks for watching!
Sounds like a cool little system. Can't wait to hear about future tests and reviews of other hardware.
Thanks you after seaching the internet you finally answered my questions
Great to hear. What were your questions?
Nice Evolution of Abilities for Home BackUp setup. Looking forward to finialize price (cost for purchase), and further reviews.
Ecoflow is handing out these ULTRAs and the SHP2 like candy to the youtubers to do their unbiased reviews......
Impressive package! It’s great to see this space getting crowded with manufacturers, and those adding more and more features. To be fair, all it takes is common sense and putting their engineers in the average customer’s shoes-we just want it all to work! Even more common sense: it’s mildly amusing to see kWh capacity treated with awe, when 21st Century Mankind is already intimately familiar with electricity’s benefits and expects plenty of it all the time! It’s the job of engineers to keep up with the latest proven tech and design it for mass production so we can buy it, set it, and forget it. Thanks for being the watchman who lets us know!
Thanks for the video, I was thinking this was going to allow BOTH Solar and AC at the same time.
That will really help when I use the AC Output from "Other Battery Systems" to charge the ULTRA at NIGHT if Needed...Not enough Day/Sun Light to change during Daytime or to much Power Draw at night.
Yes, it does allow charging with solar and AC. It was finally more sunny yesterday and I was able to charge decently with both high/low PV and the AC input at same time.
I liked your review
Thanks for watching!
Wow that 😮what a test is that you plug in to 120v and you can get 240v… I need 240v to run my water well. Thank you I’m subscribing to your channel
Yes, this is pretty impressive. A well pump is a good use case.
It seems like the DPU is pretty much 2X Delta Pros with a slightly smaller battery (6kWh vs 7.2kWh) and the same 7.2kW output with the added advantage of water cooling.
Interesting on the water cooling, I wonder if it outpaces the 7.2kwh variant being that it lessens the fatigue
Does the phone app for ultra also show you cumulative solar input, like you get with the additional power tablet?
Ok this sounds great so how much?
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more Eco flow delta pro ultra battery test it out on UA-cam videos 👍😎 please show
Great video! So the device can always be plugged into a 240v split phase source and output the L14-30 at the same time? If that is the case could have a reliance transfer switch connected to output for full automated battery backup of those circuits connected to the switch.
Thanks! Yes, you can do that.
I would never install one of these high frequency, transformerless inverters in my home. Without an iron core, copper wound output transformer, all it would take would be for the output monitoring circuit to fail and one of the MOSFETs to short to ground, and this transformerless inverter can send high voltage, high amperage DC current straight through to your AC loads which can not only damage those appliances, but can also set those appliances on fite. A much better and safer option is to purchase a hybrid, low frequency, transformer based inverter charger and an LFP battery and assemble your own, easy to build "real" solar generator. It will last far, far longer and you'll be able to power the high surge loads in your home without overloading the inverter.
@solargy I appreciate the video and I’m always trying to educate myself in this area however this is not my forte by any stretch of the mean and I still struggle with it and have a couple of questions for you if you mind me asking…
So my parents have a couple health issues that requires them both to be on cpap machines and one has to be on oxygen as well when they are sleeping. Both cpap machines are Resmed airsense10 and one Phillip Respironics EverFlo portable oxygen concentrator. Is this unit enough to power all 3 of machines incase of an a big power outage? I’m struggling to figure out what exactly is needed to meet those needs so I can have something in place and have peace of mind if something happens those needs are fully me?
Thank you if you are able to bring any clarity on this matter.
To answer specifically you would need to know what the total power draw is on those devices and how long you want them to be powered by a battery in a power outage. My guess is that they don’t use a ton of power and if it’s only for these things, Delta Pro Ultra may be a bit overkill. You could likely get away with a power station much smaller. So for example, if those items use 300w total and you want them to last 8 hours then you aim to get a battery that is 2400wh or more. Multiply the power load times the hours. You can use a simple power meter to find out what the power draw is on these items.
with ONE ULTRA "Fully Stacked with Batteries" (30K Watts of Battery Storage), seems like you will need some of the following to FULL Charge the 30K Watt Batteries in one day...
1. TONS of Sunshine (Very Few Clouds, NO Trees or other shadows)
2. Around 5K Watts of Solar input with the HI and Low Solar Inputs added together
3. Big enough Roof to put ALL the Solar Panels need to get around 5K Watts (At Least 10 Panels rated 500K Each - Add all pointed in the correct/same direction)
4. Solar Tracker, but that may ONLY Be for the "Fewer Panels (3 Panels) for Low Input Solar Connection) - Having 6 Hrs of FULL Power, instead of 3hrs could make all the difference.
-The 6 or 7 Panels for the High Power Solar Connection would be very LARGE Tracker.
5. A cooler day (Extremely HOT Days lower the OUTPUT of the Solar Panels by 20% or so)
6. ****AND NOT having a HUGE Power Load on the batteries that could lower the amount of charge the batteries could "RETAIN" during the SUNNY Day.
-AC or even worse would be HEATING the house (Heating takes way MORE Power than Cooling does...but Candles/Fireplace/Potbelly Stove could lower or remove the Heat burden on the batteries .
BUT, that would be AWESOME to have a System I would have to wait 2 or 3 SUNNY Days to get the system FULLY Charge.
For comparison, my 15.6kw system faces almost due south and in the summer months makes almost 120kwh in a day.
Jealous I am.
That is about 12Kwh Watts an hour during a 10hr day.
During the summer and a 14hr "Sun Day"...that would be 8.57Kwh.
Do you live in a sunny area???
We are moving to Austin Tx to be near our grandson....I am expecting a ton of Texas Sun There, but the HEAT during the summer may slow down the Solar Panels.
-More sunlight, but more heart (a trade off???)
I could see filling up the 2 Pros with 2 batteries (7.2 Watts for each set) in 1 day easily!!!!
An ULTRA would be AWESOME...an 18K Battery config would fill up nicely with at least 4.5K of Solar feed it's energy appetite.
-THEN the 7.2K ALSO connected to the SAME "Power Panel".
***That is my goal...Free from the Grid with backup if a Unit goes down.
@@solarguy
I'm in Pennsylvania. We have 1-1 net metering here so its a great place for solar.
Very nice review! On the high voltage solar input. What is the Max amperage input for solar?
Thanks! The specs on the high voltage PV are 450v at 15amps
@solarguy you are awesome! Thanks for the reply! I have the delta pro and loving it! I have a 1800 watt array on mine. Staying under that 150v is hard. I mixed lower voltage panels to keep the voltage about 135v to protect the mppt during cloud edge effect. 450v is so much easier ! Lol
Please show us the smart panel 2 is it use a normal circuit braker so we can add more than 60A or its special circuit braker also i saw that you may could extend the numbers of circuit and we can use it as 240v completly please answer the question asap as am planning to have 180kwh awaiting your urgent reply
My video with the SHP2 comes out on Tuesday. Yes, it uses normal breakers.
Could you use a delta pro with 2 batteries (or 2) in series to charge the unit? I have two delta pro with 4 batteries.
If you have the double voltage hub you can charge the Ultra at 240v with the l14-30 to 5+8 adapter (I showed it in the video). Otherwise you would charge the ultra from the 120v outlet on the delta.
I’m very new to solar and this unit looks very straight forward for someone to have a 240v backup solution. However, I’m having trouble finding recommendations for what solar panels to use for the high PV port. Do you have any recommendations maximizing power input while staying under the max 450 volts? How many panels and how big should the panels be? Thanks in advance.
It’s hard to give an exact answer because there are so many options for solar panels (prices, sizes, wattage, etc). Where you plan to mount them is also a factor. A simple explanation is to look up the voltage on a solar panel spec sheet. When wired in series you add up the voltage. You want to be mindful of the amperage limits too so you are most efficient. Would you find it helpful if I made a video explaining these concepts (series and parallel solar strings)?
@@solarguy Absolutely. Please make a video. I stubbled on to your channel because of this video. Your video was a great explanation and overview of the unit for beginners. I will be checking out your other content to continue my journey into the world of solar.
Question: Does the DP Ultra comply with UL 9540? Local code (Illinois) requires the inverters and batteries comply. This is critical because the electrical inspector won't let you install solar panels or connect the unit to your house if it doesn't.
I asked EcoFlow to make sure and they confirmed it complies with UL9540.
@@solarguy That is great news. Thank you for checking with them. I need to get that in writing. Unfortunately, I can't find a spec sheet online for the Ultra. I just know that I will need to show it to the electrical inspector. I was about to purchase a Hysolis Apollo 5K and several batteries, but their unit doesn't comply with UL 9540. Theirs complies with UL 2743, which I believes covers portable devices with batteries. They added that it's not possible to backfeed the grid with the Apollo 15K. So I hesitated, wanting to do more research, because I don't want to end up buying equipment that would be rejected. Then I learned about the Ultra. Once Hysolis told me about their compliance with UL2743, it dawned on me that perhaps the reason that most of these solar power stations don't comply with UL 9540 is because they don't have to; they fall under UL 2743. Do you think this reasoning is correct?
I have seen a SGS certificate that shows the DPU is UL 9540 certified. I don't know how to show it but perhaps you can look it up the certificate number is: SGSNA/23/GZ/00354 and this is what is listed under certified: ANSI/CAN/UL 9540:2023,Third Edition, Dated June 28, 2023
You can email me and I can snap a photo if you want.
@@solarguy I'll send you an email. I really want to show it to the inspector and see him give me a thumbs up before I order anything. Thanks.
How to get panel to accept panels
I think you might have a typo. I don't understand your question.
I'm curious about pricing. All I find on their website is $4***. Is that $4000 or $4999? The $1500 coupon for $300 sounds good, but without true pricing, how would we know?
On their website today it looks like the after coupon charge is $4599. That is about 3 to 400 less than I was expecting.
How fast does the ultra charge on your roof array of 15.6kw?
I'm not able (at least easily) to charge it with my current rooftop array because they are already hard wired in to my SolarEdge inverters which are then grid-tied inside the meter. So I am using other solar panels with the DPU. If I were able to connect 5.6kw of panels and I had optimal angles with full sun, it would take a little over an hour to charge the 6kWh battey.
one super basic can I do direct conection from a 400w portable to the deltra pro ultra?
Yes, you can connect a 400w solar panel to the DPU
@@solarguy thank you sow much, I read more to figure it out hahaha now know my question was quite stupid hahaha, since california have this expensive permit for solar panels I will use portable on a open section of my house :3 thanks you so much for the video you really share more info than ususal reviewers with expensive cameras and shots
Thanks! I’m trying to be as helpful as I can. Post any more questions (as new comments - it’s easier for me to reply) if you have them.
no charging port for ecoflow smart generator ???
No, there isn't a DC XT150 input. You have to charge it with the 120AC output on the EF gas generator.
How long would it take to fully charge with solar?
It depends on how much solar and how much sunlight you have. If you have a 5kw solar array and full sun (1000w/m2) at the right angle then it might take about 1.2 hours to go from 0 to 100%
I have an inquiry
Can the solar system provide power to the house to offset utility demand and charge the battery?
Thanks
Yes, it can. You can connect it in with a generator inlet box or it natively works with the ecoflow smart home panel 2. I've got a demonstration video on my other YT channel (check the video description for the link)
@@solarguy I really appreciate the help you've given me. Can I just ask you one last question?
If the solar system was only tied to the Eco Flow battery and supplying it with KWh’s , could the battery be used to supply power to the home thereby lowering the amount of KWHs the I need from the grid?
Thanks
The Garden is desperate!!!
The Anker f3800 looks far more portable even with the battery add ons.
It depends on how portable you want. The Delta Pro Ultra has some better features (plus 6kwh versus 3.8kwh) in my opinion and I can move it around pretty well with the upgraded dolly. I wouldn't be able to pull the F3800 through the grass like I can with this DPU setup.
@ 6:36 is the 50 amp hub included?
I’m guessing it’s an add-on. The DPU isn’t officially launched for a few more weeks.
I've also seen an EcoFlow "official" video that showed this double amp (parallel) hub, but also a new version of the Double Voltage Hub for a pair of delta pros that let you hook them up to a Smart Home Panel 2. I'm wondering if you could also connect that hub to this Double Amp hub to add an Ultra to your existing DELTA pro setup to get up to 50 amps and more capacity?
I don't know for sure but my guess is that it would work in that scenario. That is, with the new (5+8) adapter connected to 2 DPs and a DPU on the other input.
Can this equipment be protected from the inevitable EMP?😊
I don’t know about inevitable. You probably will need to make your own faraday cage. I’m not aware of any native emp protection.
What cart are you using and where can it be purchased?
I just updated the description since it went on sale today. I don't think they have the upgraded cart available yet but you can get it for free if you get the bundle with the smart home panel 2. If you are in the US check to see but this may qualify for the 30% tax credit because it's a battery storage system over 3kWh. Let me know if you have any more questions about it.
Thank you very much! I used your like to get to the purchase screen but I don't see any way to purchase an additional battery?
I just found it on the website: (aff link): us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-pro-ultra-battery?variant=40758559047753&aff=852 They haven't been promoting it a lot yet.
Looks like they have taken down all the Ultra product purchase sites. I had an ultra and extra battery in my cart, had to leave for an hour and a half and now he items in my cart are gone and the pages are non-existent as far as I can tell. It makes sense since all the pages are saying available the 9th and today is the 8th.
Good presentation but, your dB test not so good, your clothed watch arm was in the way.
Thanks. I might disagree but in this case I don't think the exact dB even matters. Even when charging or outputting 6,000W this unit is so quiet. I have tested a lot of power stations and this is on a new level of quiet.
how much will this product cost
Their site shows an expected price of around $4xxx which is probably $4999. They have a $1500 off coupon you can purchase for $300 until the end of Dec.
Price just came out today for the DPU, $4599. I updated the links in the description for the coupon and the bundles.
Bonjour je recherche une autonomie de 4 jours minimum pour ma maison 🏠 comment faire svp ?
If you want all of your needs to be covered for up to 4 days you would need to calculate what your average daily use of electricity is for all of the loads in your house then multiply by 4 to get a good estimate. This will be in kilowatt-hours. If you have solar panels then you will also need to make some assumptions on how much they can produce. Because a system like this is expandable, you can always start with one battery and add more until you find the amount that suits your needs.
When you bought ut did you get the $1,500 discount or is this another 'free' help them sell it unit? Now, to be harsh, if you didn't purchase it then you have no skin in the game and your opinion is about important as my dogs...
The unit isn’t for sale yet, so…
And factual statements and observations are valuable regardless. Glossing over an entire video because the unit was free makes no sense.
Don't you mean, ultra bust, rather than ultra beast? This low surge, solar generator still uses outdated, low cost (cheap) high frequency, transformerless inverter technology. There's a reason why none of the major, high quality inverter manufacturers like Schneider Electric, Outback Power, Magnum Energy and Victron use cheap, high frequency, transformerless inverter technology in their designs. That reason is that high frequency inverters don't last, and they offer a poor surge capacity for powering high inductance, household loads.
High frequency solar generators run much hotter than longer lived, low frequency, transformer-based solar generators which makes the low cost, off spec, Chinese made components such as capacitors, diodes, resistors and ICs that are used in the cheap inverters that are used in these solar generators, far more prone to early failure.
Another major consideration with these high frequency, transformerless solar generators is safety. Most solar generators are not even UL certified for safety. All it takes is for one of the AC output monitoring circuitry to fail and the MOSFETs in the inverter's H-Bridge circuit to short to ground, and these units can dangerous, high voltage, high amperage DC current straight to your connected AC loads which will not only damage most AC appliances but can also set those AC appliances or EV on fire.
Another consideration that is never mentioned by youtube, solar generator salespeople, is that the vast majority of these solar generators are non-repairable. Even before the warranty runs out, most consumers will not be able to afford to ship these units back (most of these manufacturers don't have US based service centers) to the manufacturer in China and have them repair or replace them. And at a typical shop rate of $125 per hour here in the US, with no schematic and limited parts availability, it won't makes economic sense to even attempt to repair one of these units. Once the FETs have fried and have burned a good portion of the inverter's PCB, (And trust me, sooner rather than later, they will fry.) they basically become an expensive brick.
A far better alternative is to invest less money and purchase a hybrid, low frequency, transformer based inverter charger and a few LFP battery and build your own "real solar generator". Low frequency transformer based solar generators last many years longer than these high frequency solar generators, and can easily power high surge loads without being damaged and without damaging your appliances.
Can you advise me on some youtube channels to get more information on what you have commented about?
Search for Solar Inverter Catastrophic Failure by Red Hill Labs on youtube, This is an excellent video that provides a detailed, technical explanation on how inverters operate and how a high frequency, transformerless inverter can fail and start a fire.@@hallah5150
This EcoFlow Ultra environment, while impeccably engineered on the surface, is flawed and not ready for prime time. The hardware installation and set up is simple and somewhat straight forward, but that’s where the full beauty of the design ends. The software and app that are actually responsible for insuring that you have power when the grid goes down do not deliver. The biggest issue is the parasitic draw down on the battery when the system is in idle. There are a number of functions on the app that conflict with one another, making work arounds to reduce battery drain impossible. Some app features don’t work at all. And as mentioned in another post, customer support, while courteous, is basically useless. The jury is still out to see if the software functionality is going to catch up with the hardware. I’m not holding my breath…
What app features don't work? Are you using with the SHP2 or just stand alone?
@@solarguy Schedule tasks don't work unless the battery is on, which increases battery drain, requiring more charge time. The EPS mode is another power drain when on, and should function the same whether on or off in terms of static power drain. StormGuard doesn't work. All the functionality built into the battery-side of the app is disengaged when connected to the SP-2, reducing overall control of the battery.
Never ever install Chinese batteries if you care about them catching fire or blowing up. Never Chinese!!! You are welcome, and no you cannot go after a Chinese company for liability 😂😂
I am no fan of the Chinese communist losers. But I simply never hear about these batteries burning down houses unless it's some nut doing wrong things. I have a lot of devices and lithium batteries made in China. I've never had any issues.
Keep on hating communism. That I agree with. Communism is terrible and it is the enemy of Western democracy.
The device you are using, the electric car battery your neighbor drives and everything in between, there’s a %80 chance they come from China.
@@outterstellertrue
dude, don’t use your phone or laptop 99% Chinese batteries
Ive used chinese batteries for 11 years now and never had a problem. O but wait, they were designed in usa.