Recently laid down from accelerating to fast on tour tires that only had 50 miles, I'm ok, bikes ok, lesson learned. 6 weeks with a fractured shoulder will remind me new tires are no joke. Thanks for the vid.
Yeah micro fracture. 6 weeks later 100% recovery. "I'm ok" as in I laid a bike down going over 30mph and was very lucky to only have a micro fracture! Haha. Also I was wearing the appropriate gear and helmet so..
I hate to hear that man. Just yesterday i bought a 2011 r1 and the tires were lightly used on it but had huge chicken strips on them as if it was a commuter. I just gave the throttle a quick 1/4 turn in second gear about maybe 4000 rpm and laid it over a bit and the rear slid side ways bad. I was only opening the throttle just to load the suspension for feel and rebound so i closed it just as quick. By the time i realized the rear had give loose i was already letting off the throttle. Otherwise i would have low sided on my first day with the bike. I love the look but the damn jerky low throttle lugging and just all around on off throttle may have me getting rid of it. I bought two bikes anyways but the other one has rear sets that are painfully high. 2014 cbr 1000...only 2800 miles. Ysf has 8800. Im 45 and sill with grins but scared to death at times. Lot of things have changed since my last bikes. Lol.
Great tips and info. You should mention how critical it is to monitor the pressure, ideally before each ride and certainly when the temps. change. It's an often neglected practice.
Whether there is mold release (on a crap brand tire) or just a glass finish on the rubber, it is the same thing. That mold release does not just fling off though, It(or the shiny rubber without a release agent) does not wear off until that portion of the tire touches the road. It doesnt matter what grease or oil is on the surface, you just need to wear it off by running the entire profile of the tire against the road surface. I mount my own tires and generally break them in within about 1 mile..... I go to the nearest parking lot and start doing a circle and gradually decrease the radius (not increase speed) until my pegs touch the ground on each side. That is all it takes, about 2 minutes tops. Problem is, about half of the riders out there have never touched their pegs down in their entire riding career... And for those it doesnt matter if their tires are scrubbed because when they need to use the edge of the tire, they instead hit the brakes and stand the bike up to go straight off the road/exit/onramp/cliff/mountain/shore/island/ditch/edge of the earth.
I concur with Riley. I've been running sport touring tires for ages and my new tires are scuffed in edge to edge within 4 miles tops. Reason it takes me that long is I use the nearest good curve in the road which is 2+ miles away. I usually have the tires more than 60% approx scuffed by the time I get to that curve just from the ride over. I go back and forth a few times usually 3-4 times and at that point I'm knee down both ways and off I go for more of the same. I don't find hard acceleration and braking necessary to warm up the sport touring tires. They seem to get warm enough, in 50-70 F+ riding weathers, in the two miles to the first good curve. That being said I'm not your "average" rider.
So I work as a package handler for FedEx and we get tons of tires everyday being shipped to dealers and private buyers. I can say that after handling the tires they do actually have a coating on them similar to what he said, like a Teflon almost. After handling the tires, my hands are always VERY slippery. We get low end to high end tires coming through the warehouse. Just my two cents
Love the Pirelli night dragons! I've had serval sets on my street bob, and they grip very well for a cruiser (they're more of a "performance cruiser tire") tire but last for thousands and thousands of miles? Nah about 6-7k miles in my experience, but still the best mix of traction and mileage for me.
Drew w how the hell is 6-7,000 miles not thousands and thousands of miles?? What kind of garbage ass tires are you guys running to where that's considered low mileage? You also have to remember that Ari is a sportbike guy and in the sportbike world that's VERY good mileage. Hell I'm happy if I get 3,500 miles out of a rear Q3!
"Get used to the tires" Too true! The new tires I put on my baby Ninja 250 were night and day from the factory stock. So much more stable and grippy and fun to ride, right from the first mile leaving the dealer.
Your vids are surprisingly spot on, It still boggles the mind that so many american you tube channels talk out of their arse when it comes to tyres. We have people in the UK who sandpaper their tyres to look like that have skill and can get their knee down. We call them twats.
Negative. If you think so you fail to take into account unforeseen circumstances that may very well require full lean swerve to avoid and if you haven't done that then you won't do it in an emergency. This is time proven with riders freezing and slamming into cars that cut them off or simply straightening up the bike and locking the rear brake. When overwhelmed they react badly often causing injury to themselves in the process. I consider chicken strips straight up (ha ha get it LOL) rider incompetence.
The number of crash videos of guys going down immediately after getting a new bike are ridiculous lol. Surprised the dealers don't tell them to go easy at first.
@@justaguy4real I've ridden on pretty much everything, but for a hypersport day to day tire, I think the Bridgestone S22 is a really excellent option. Lasts a decent amount of miles with excellent grip and warm up time. They also commonly have a $50 rebate and you can get a 120/180 set for under $150 shipped after rebate if you shop around online.
@@DearMajesty thx for your input. helped the decision. I changed my order from PP2CT's to Battlax S22's. Just seems to make more sense as the PP's are decade plus older technology and discontinued overall, with the S22's so much newer and likely to be around for quite some time to come.
Like the video. As a new rider just getting on a bike for the first time this info is valuable. I want to be safe as possible . every clue to safety is valuable. And can save life's. Thanks
Love MC garage material! Just started riding before 2017, so I’m always learning & wanting to extend my knowledge & skill, both mechanically & time in the saddle. Any chance you guys do a clip on the cafe racer chop, cut, rebuild culture. Some good examples of what is safe to do in customizing & what’s not so much? (i.e. shortening front forks, taller rear springs, bigger tires on rims & spokes, and extending swingarms. Metal differences on frames for welding)
I agree. We can see that these presentations are very well prepared and executed: scripts, technical information, easy to understand and enjoyable to watch.
We usually recommend to use a bit low pressure to get the tyres to warm up good and have a lot more contact patch. 50-100km on tar and a bit of twisting will get it done quick. Then let the tyres cool down 15 minutes and pump to correct pressure - et voila!
Thank you for the many great videos. MC Garage helps a lot and is entertaining as well. The thoroughness and way you present does the job.Keep them coming!
Got my new 93 cbr900rr sideways as hell leaving the dealership. Looked cool AF (as if it was on purpose) but scared the living shit out of me. That was 200k+ miles ago ;)
Hi. Great videos, thanks. I live in Canada and we're about to have to park our bikes for the winter (November to March). I used to put my bike on a jack to keep the weight off the wheels, but I recently heard its not really necessary. 1) our winters aren't really long enough to damage the tires (create flat spots). 2) Rather than jack the bike so the wheels are off the ground, you can over inflate the tires close to max so they wont develop a flat spot. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Generally people would ride it around in the style you'd expect from an inexperienced but cautious rider (should be easy). It'll come off in a few miles, it's not much worse than oil. Disclaimer: comment intended for entertainment purposes only. Don't take safety tips from random idiots with UA-cam accounts.
Not the right way for sure, but I was always told that I needed a solid burnout session to clear the grease out. Probably just my old man wanting an excuse to do excessive burnouts
Its the edges of the tyres which need scrubbed in not the centre, like he says find a twisty road and run up and down it progressively leaning the bike further onto its edge on each corner, it doesn't need to be fast either, I scrub my right hand edges on roundabouts over here in the UK by circling them on a quiet morning and the lefts I do on a country road.
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Ive never breaked in tires but as a machinist i can tell you one thing if it takes forever to grind something your probably using the wrong tools or the wrong sandpaper i dont think there are rubber sandpapers but im pretty sure that if you have enough corse sandpaper it should work to some degree atleast better then he said it would be
Thanks, I put in new tires today and I lost a bit of traction when doing a turn, I didn't fall thankfully but I was alarmed lol, so I need to ride for a bit and break in the tires before taking "risks" lol.
Those are track tires, it's normal for them to look like that after a few laps on the track, if your tires are that fuzzed and balled up from street riding you might need to rein in the street rossi antics a tad.
Completely agree with this video i put on a new set of touring tires on my bike within the third day layed it down from hitting the brakes going down the interstate
I dont know if I had been looking enough with your videos or not, but I came across mc garage videos looking for a video for advantages and disadvantages for link type and standard rear suspension setup. I don't know if the information about these two is self explanatory or not, but I have not seen a video that pretty much explains both, and I am confident if you have or had a video about it, it would be very good to watch.
You could read your manual and go with the guidelines of the manufacturer that designed and built the engine from scratch and have been doing so for decades, or you could listen to the advice of some random hot shots online that at most rebuilt a few engines and never designed one by themselves, it's your choice.
Thuned 3/4 throttle is plenty to seat the rings, and at low revs it's a manifold pressure very nearly as high as full throttle. They also say to avoid running at a constant speed. So use 3/4 throttle, but only for a few seconds, then shut the throttle and let it draw up oil and cool down. Just like what Motoman says.
Green Machine yeah must be nice to be sponsored by them. They make great stuff but you'd have to have Trump's bank account to have that much Belray products in your garage. Lol
Burn out will remove slick spot in center but does nothing for sides which is what you are on in a turn. Come on folks common sense tells you the slick film must be removed from entire tread area. 40 yrs of riding, I found a empty lot or deserted industrial area road is best for many things like tires and brakes. No traffic and slowly ease into sharper turns to slowly scuff off the film from entire tread area. Breaking and bedding in new brakes also good idea. FOLLOW manufacturers bed in procedure where you cab heat cycle and cool pads, and, or new rotors properly. Back in the day my ferodo (spelling?) pads said to do a cuple of 30 mph to ALMOST stop with a cool down period in between, then 50 mph a couple of times. This heat cycles but does not glaze pads, with cool down spots. Basically heat cool, heat cool in progressive steps.Brakes then had all the bite I could handle. OH testing and getting feel for brakes in empty area is great to know the limits before you need a panic stop.
Get with the times there's guys drifting now which amounts to a burnout ridden in circles and does indeed scorch right to the edge of the tires both sides if they know what they're doing. Of course the basic 99% of them don't.
Yeah do a drift burn out on edge of new tire see what happens, you will crash. The slick film is so slick you will go down fast and hard, but by all means do it. fast way to weed out ignorant riders fast and in a hurry. Hope you have full insurance for bike and body, bye bye dumbass.
Dude? Are you kidding me? Do me a favor and keep your BoolSheet comments to yourself. No a well seasoned stuntrider doing said drifting on a new tire is not going to crash. I've seen it done and my locals ARE NOT pros. How do you think they get the tire scorched to the edges? They aren't out riding curves at the necessary lean angles they (majority of them) haven't got the balls. Fact. Sorry. And, btw, I'm distinctly not a dumbass as you put it. That would better describe YOU. I have 33 years dedicated street riding experience now approaching 800,000 miles riding experience. Few ride at my level which is advanced expert. If you're even in the ballpark of my motorcycle riding ability or awareness then you'd be a 1%er. Your comment confirms you know fook all basically. You're probably the guy riding 100 miles to break in new tires and you still have 1.5 inch chicken strips even so while I'm off the edges of those new tires in under 2 miles (there done no more mold release compound or chicken strips) and tires are ready and off I go to ride awesomely.
Im riding on these Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3.. Guys, buy these tires, they are amazing sports tires and they last. I knee down daily with them with super stability. Braking and rain properties are also amazing.
Low side 2 weeks ago. didnt factor in Brand new tires in post wreck analysis. Thank you. was leaning aggressively... On a sportster Low tire pressure and throttle wasent up.
Can't say they don't use any releasing agent on motorcycle tires ... But I did work for one of the biggest car brands in the world, and we regularly applied an armor all type substance to both the sidewall AND tread on certain types.
A while back he was baffled that people are still asking him to bring them back since it's been years heheI actually remembered that when the vid started and I looked at his hair, and here you are hahaha
I agree that the new profile is one of the main reasons, however I find that temperature is the number one ingredient necessary. If your new tires are fully hot, they will be ready for intense riding almost immediately, in my experience. YMMV
A lot of new tires will also have a protective layer that helps to conserve them. It´s the reason why you can buy an older tire and have it work just as well as if it was straight from the factory. It will come off if you heat the tire by riding or if you just put it on tire warmers for 15-30 minutes (standard 80°).
Burnout does not help the FRONT. And actually only scrubs off a narrow band that works if you are not taking a corner so essentially, you didn't do ANY good for the parts that count. go ahead. Do it your way and you are committing suicide if you think it worked
Low sided on my brand new mt03 just the other day on a right hand turn at an intersection, already rode 75km and was only 5 mins from home, speed was between 30-35kmh so certainly not too fast but certainly to fast for the new tires that weren't scrubbed yet. Wish I watched this video before that happened. I'm fine, just some muscle aches and a sore shoulder, the bike is fine just some easy to fix cosmetic stuff, lesson learned the hard way, LET YOUR TIRES BREAK IN!
I’d bought a new GSXR1100 in the late 80s. My friends house was less than a mile from the shop. I had a new Suzuki Gamma and an RZ500 at the time. So had a little experience with power and new tires. Turned on to my friends street, twisted throttle and went for the ride of a life time. You haven’t high sided until you high sided a brand new $11,000 bike with 2 miles on it. Green tires can kill.
I road raced motorcycles. I won 6 Championships/2 time national champion WERA & AMA.. I was sponsored by Continental tire.. they gave me lots of tires. I would go out and practice on a new set of tires every weekend/Saturday for practice. I would give the tires one lap/2 miles to break in. when it would rain, I would go out on brand new tires not even scuffed in. The only scuff in they got was during the warm-up lap. The only change I would make in a rain race, was, I would increase my tire pressures 6 pounds to shrink my contact patch, which is the same as making more pressure per square inch to squeegee the water harder. I do not know where people came up with the idea that you need to break new tires in for50 or 100 miles. I never found that to be the case. by the way, during one 3 yr run, I only lost two races, and in those two races, they were both in the rain, and less than two bike lengths was the gap to first. My racing weight was 190 pounds, the guy who won both of those races, weighed 135 pounds on the same machine I was riding. I never liked to lead in rain, i’ll let someone else lead until the last lap, sometimes the last corner, I would ride in his tracks, but usually, they crashed in the rain if they were ahead of me. you got to be smooth and use the entire width of the track in the rain.. and get all of your breaking done while you are straight up and down, no trail breaking in the rain.. you do not need to break tires in for more than a couple of left and a couple of right turns.. if it was true that you had to break tires in, why is it that Formula One and NASCAR tires are best when they are brand new/sticker tires
Been there and done that, low sided within 5 miles of the cycle shop right in front of my father in law (his daughter rides on the back!). Low speed cornering across painted lines at a four way stop.
Yeah. My Benelli 302s (2022) got sideways on me the first time I made a turn on it. It was brand new I had just brought it home with 1 mile on it and did not think about the new tires. Glad I kept it up but damn I did not need coffee that day LOL.
I used to work in a dealership, where we always advised the owners to take it easy for the first 100 miles on new tires - even after the tires had been scrubbed in by our test rider. Another thing to avoid with your tires is Tire Shine/Armor All/whatever you want to call it. We had a customer bring his bike in after he had laid it down. The customer owned a car dealership, and had his detail people wash and detail his bike. As was normal on a car, the techs used tire shine on his bike's tires, including the tread. This caused a major loss of traction, resulting in the bike (and rider) going down. It took 2 people over 4 hours each, to remove enough of the tire shine for the test rider to feel safe enough taking the bike out to scrub in the tires again.
@@lloydz8828 Why would you do that? With the tire heating on the road there could be a product dispersing/tranfering on/to the contact areas and you definitely don't want that. A bike looks nice enough without that risky gimmic.
You know what I haven't been able to find anywhere on the net? Riding tips - especially body positioning tips - specific to supernakeds. It's not an MC garage topic, but it would really be useful, especially with the increasing popularity of these kinds of bikes. I've been riding for about 20 years, but always sportsbikes. I did the Keith Code superbike school years ago. But I find it hard to adjust to the position of my new MT-10. The usual tips - kiss the inside mirror, outside arm slung over the tank, etc - just don't translate.
Shah b.s Best thing for engines and machines is to be run. But if it must be stored... DO NOT START IT AT ALL unless you're actually going to ride it. Otherwise you invite moisture in the cylinders. Store it with a full tank of fuel and some sort of fuel stabilizer (I prefer Stabil 360) that keeps the fuel fresh and moisture out of the fuel tank so it can't rust (although most modern stuff has some sort of interior coating if they're metal tanks.) if it's a carbureted engine cut the fuel off and run it until it dies to keep fuel from gumming up the carb. Pump up your tires to max pressure or store the bike on a stand if possible, a good coat of wax and cover to protect the paint. change the oil so any sort of acid in the old/ used motor oil isn't just sitting there. And if you're really worried take the spark plugs out and fog the cylinders with marvel mystery oil or similar to avoid rust on the cylinder walls, stuck rings, and dry restart, then reinstall then plugs for storage. And a battery tender to keep it charged, or unhook the battery.
Shah b.s lol left a 1988 DT50 outside in 2 feet of snow, and all other weather. All it needed was a new throttle cable, some penetrating oil and for the tank and carb to be cleaned. Runs like a champ
Shah b.s drain all gas, including carb, pull plugs and spray rust inhibitor through carb or carbs while turning the motor over then replace plugs with antiseize on threads. When ready to start years later, put marvel mystery oil down plug holes and let sit 48 hours in case rings are stuck. Done this with old classic bikes and have never had a problem. Also remove battery.
Thanks good guy. Now you get these Wahoo's, young and old, get on their new bike tires envisioning themselves like they see the racetrack Riders ripping around these Corners laying down at 10 degree angles of attack, without the knowledge that those tires on the race bikes are designed to go 20 laps. That's extremely soft and tacky material on those tires as you indicated. They should throw warning signs on those race track shows. And the track watching live races. You know to then, letting all these Street racers realize there at quite a disadvantage compared to the race track super tacky tires underneath the Riders in professional racing. Another good video bro.
i put on a new rear tire the same series newer year made and ended up low side out of track in my practice parking lot just within couple hours . and again on street 4 days later hahaha. know i learn more to be cautious to a new hard compound tire. because i changed front tire not long before and it worked better in all means since the first touch. but the front tire was medium compound.
Sometimes the sheen on new tires is from the dealership making them look pretty for sale. At least, for new bikes. That's been my experience, even though it's a bit dated.
Went down once leaving the shop and fractured an elbow, even with riding gear. Still think it’s unacceptable for tires to leave a shop like that. Imagine if you left the shop with new tires on your mustang and spun out into traffic! An easy solution is a tire scuffer that would spin the tire like a balancer, and scuff the surface before sending the bike out.
I found it quite interesting that they don't actually put release agent on the tread surface itself. But I wonder if they put a preservative/protectant on the tire to prevent the rubber from perishing while it is stored. Because rubber does dry out the longer it sits exposed to the elements.
Recently laid down from accelerating to fast on tour tires that only had 50 miles, I'm ok, bikes ok, lesson learned. 6 weeks with a fractured shoulder will remind me new tires are no joke. Thanks for the vid.
Am I the only one who thinks the statements "I'm ok" and "[I have] a fractured shoulder" seem contradictory?
At first maybe, but in the end he'll heal and ride again, no lasting damage I'm guessing.
I guess ok compared to dead, eh?
Broken bones heal. But the trophies last forever. But unfortunately later on the arthritis does too !!!!!
Yeah micro fracture. 6 weeks later 100% recovery. "I'm ok" as in I laid a bike down going over 30mph and was very lucky to only have a micro fracture! Haha. Also I was wearing the appropriate gear and helmet so..
I low sided a brand new 1100 Suzuki 20 ft from the dealer, because I wanted to show them how good I was at leaning over.
Damn
I hate to hear that man. Just yesterday i bought a 2011 r1 and the tires were lightly used on it but had huge chicken strips on them as if it was a commuter. I just gave the throttle a quick 1/4 turn in second gear about maybe 4000 rpm and laid it over a bit and the rear slid side ways bad. I was only opening the throttle just to load the suspension for feel and rebound so i closed it just as quick. By the time i realized the rear had give loose i was already letting off the throttle. Otherwise i would have low sided on my first day with the bike. I love the look but the damn jerky low throttle lugging and just all around on off throttle may have me getting rid of it. I bought two bikes anyways but the other one has rear sets that are painfully high. 2014 cbr 1000...only 2800 miles. Ysf has 8800. Im 45 and sill with grins but scared to death at times. Lot of things have changed since my last bikes. Lol.
Well that's one way to do it...
I low sided my brand new S1000rr 20ft from the dealership and straight back to the workshop. Costly lesson.
Like they were watching
Thank you for the time and patience on the safety of scrubbing, so many riders are giving bad advice to semi new riders.
So, thanks brother. "RIDE ON"
You need to break-in a tire that's been unused for awhile. Tires surface area oxidize over time and do not grip until that surface is Scuff up again.
I'm pretty sure you should be uploading workout videos too dude.
Dudes skinny
Hard > big if you're wanting to ride fast.
he had surgery done to his shoulders last year or so due to an accident and have recently taken up long distance cycling. been skinny ever since.
Where's the off road segment section all I see is track and adventure information never any off road information
M Dub So would I...
Great tips and info. You should mention how critical it is to monitor the pressure, ideally before each ride and certainly when the temps. change. It's an often neglected practice.
Keep a hand or foot pump around to quickly add some pressure if it's a cold day.
Ya give that naughty slippery tire a nice slap. 4:10
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blakekrocks it has been a bad bad tyre
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LOL YESSSS!! Feel that rubbery slick juicy surface! WHAPAAA!
I was here just searching for this comment
You need to upload these videos more often! They are awesome!
This explains why I felt insecure with the new Mitas E-07 tires on my Honda Transalp. After riding some gravel, they handle better in corners.
I just want to say Thank You MC Garage, for your videos.. they are the best at explaining things.. ! keep up the Awesome work. !
usaf vet Thanks for watching. We're glad you like the show.
usaf vet agreed!
Whether there is mold release (on a crap brand tire) or just a glass finish on the rubber, it is the same thing. That mold release does not just fling off though, It(or the shiny rubber without a release agent) does not wear off until that portion of the tire touches the road. It doesnt matter what grease or oil is on the surface, you just need to wear it off by running the entire profile of the tire against the road surface. I mount my own tires and generally break them in within about 1 mile..... I go to the nearest parking lot and start doing a circle and gradually decrease the radius (not increase speed) until my pegs touch the ground on each side. That is all it takes, about 2 minutes tops.
Problem is, about half of the riders out there have never touched their pegs down in their entire riding career... And for those it doesnt matter if their tires are scrubbed because when they need to use the edge of the tire, they instead hit the brakes and stand the bike up to go straight off the road/exit/onramp/cliff/mountain/shore/island/ditch/edge of the earth.
I concur with Riley. I've been running sport touring tires for ages and my new tires are scuffed in edge to edge within 4 miles tops. Reason it takes me that long is I use the nearest good curve in the road which is 2+ miles away. I usually have the tires more than 60% approx scuffed by the time I get to that curve just from the ride over. I go back and forth a few times usually 3-4 times and at that point I'm knee down both ways and off I go for more of the same. I don't find hard acceleration and braking necessary to warm up the sport touring tires. They seem to get warm enough, in 50-70 F+ riding weathers, in the two miles to the first good curve. That being said I'm not your "average" rider.
Im glad you mentioned braking as well as accelerating to warm a tyre. There are many that forget about a freewheeling cooler front tyre
So I work as a package handler for FedEx and we get tons of tires everyday being shipped to dealers and private buyers. I can say that after handling the tires they do actually have a coating on them similar to what he said, like a Teflon almost. After handling the tires, my hands are always VERY slippery. We get low end to high end tires coming through the warehouse. Just my two cents
Thx. That makes sense.
Cheers Mate. That was very helpful. I changed front Tyre and almost had an accident.
Love the Pirelli night dragons! I've had serval sets on my street bob, and they grip very well for a cruiser (they're more of a "performance cruiser tire") tire but last for thousands and thousands of miles? Nah about 6-7k miles in my experience, but still the best mix of traction and mileage for me.
Drew w how the hell is 6-7,000 miles not thousands and thousands of miles?? What kind of garbage ass tires are you guys running to where that's considered low mileage? You also have to remember that Ari is a sportbike guy and in the sportbike world that's VERY good mileage. Hell I'm happy if I get 3,500 miles out of a rear Q3!
"Get used to the tires" Too true! The new tires I put on my baby Ninja 250 were night and day from the factory stock. So much more stable and grippy and fun to ride, right from the first mile leaving the dealer.
Your vids are surprisingly spot on, It still boggles the mind that so many american you tube channels talk out of their arse when it comes to tyres.
We have people in the UK who sandpaper their tyres to look like that have skill and can get their knee down. We call them twats.
gotta get rid of them chicken strips!
those are safety strips! lol
Negative. If you think so you fail to take into account unforeseen circumstances that may very well require full lean swerve to avoid and if you haven't done that then you won't do it in an emergency. This is time proven with riders freezing and slamming into cars that cut them off or simply straightening up the bike and locking the rear brake. When overwhelmed they react badly often causing injury to themselves in the process. I consider chicken strips straight up (ha ha get it LOL) rider incompetence.
@@curvecrazy , well said!
I totally forgot there was a difference in spelling for tires/tyres 😂
Great video on why and how to scrub in new tires. Well-spoken and clearly knowledgeable on motorcycles.
The number of crash videos of guys going down immediately after getting a new bike are ridiculous lol. Surprised the dealers don't tell them to go easy at first.
Even my driving instructor once had a mishap with new tyres. In that respect, I am very with my Conti RA3 as they are really easy to break in.
Dealers don't give a shit. The only thing they care about is that they have a nice fat check from the bike they just sold you.
Videos like this can save someone a crash. Thanks!
With hypersport tires, I've never needed a break-in period. They grip as well as I'd expect them too from the get go. I've never had any issues.
MotoBoy yeah my Q3's have always been VERY grippy right from the get go.
And which hypersport tires have you used? I'm shopping for some.
@@justaguy4real I've ridden on pretty much everything, but for a hypersport day to day tire, I think the Bridgestone S22 is a really excellent option. Lasts a decent amount of miles with excellent grip and warm up time. They also commonly have a $50 rebate and you can get a 120/180 set for under $150 shipped after rebate if you shop around online.
@@DearMajesty great, thx. so you think that a better option than PP2CT's?
@@DearMajesty thx for your input. helped the decision. I changed my order from PP2CT's to Battlax S22's. Just seems to make more sense as the PP's are decade plus older technology and discontinued overall, with the S22's so much newer and likely to be around for quite some time to come.
Like the video. As a new rider just getting on a bike for the first time this info is valuable. I want to be safe as possible . every clue to safety is valuable. And can save life's. Thanks
I didn't know about tire break in. You'd think they might mention it in the MSF course.
They don’t mention quite alot at the MSF lol
You uploaded right on time, I just put on new tires on my bike this week. Great info, good to have followed them even beforehand!
Love MC garage material! Just started riding before 2017, so I’m always learning & wanting to extend my knowledge & skill, both mechanically & time in the saddle.
Any chance you guys do a clip on the cafe racer chop, cut, rebuild culture. Some good examples of what is safe to do in customizing & what’s not so much? (i.e. shortening front forks, taller rear springs, bigger tires on rims & spokes, and extending swingarms. Metal differences on frames for welding)
Your channel is the best. It's like Motorcycle Maintenance 101, love it man.
Please make a video on how to properly break-in a brand new motorcycle and tips on Run in period !
Please bro !
Excellent. Just put a new front tire on my Harley Heritage.
Heard about the 100 mile break in just didn't know why.
The best channel and presentater on you tube
I agree. We can see that these presentations are very well prepared and executed: scripts, technical information, easy to understand and enjoyable to watch.
best chanellele and presentater
We usually recommend to use a bit low pressure to get the tyres to warm up good and have a lot more contact patch.
50-100km on tar and a bit of twisting will get it done quick.
Then let the tyres cool down 15 minutes and pump to correct pressure - et voila!
I was thinking 5 miles on a dirt road.
I do figure 8’s in a parking lot first then “break in” on the road carefully.
I been sand scuffing new bikes and tires for 30 years, it helps but you still need break in - this dude definitely knows what he’s talking about
Well looks I now know the secret to build muscle now. Catching and throwing bike tires. LoL
Thank you for the many great videos. MC Garage helps a lot and is entertaining as well. The thoroughness and way you present does the job.Keep them coming!
Glad you like them!
Got my new 93 cbr900rr sideways as hell leaving the dealership. Looked cool AF (as if it was on purpose) but scared the living shit out of me. That was 200k+ miles ago ;)
200k? That's amazing
Thanks for the video🤙 spun out today on fresh rubber be careful out there
Hi. Great videos, thanks. I live in Canada and we're about to have to park our bikes for the winter (November to March). I used to put my bike on a jack to keep the weight off the wheels, but I recently heard its not really necessary. 1) our winters aren't really long enough to damage the tires (create flat spots). 2) Rather than jack the bike so the wheels are off the ground, you can over inflate the tires close to max so they wont develop a flat spot. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for all of the information, I am getting a new set of tires for the first time later on today.
@Motorcyclist Magazine, i did something stupid. I'm a new rider and i put armour all on my tires, what is the best method to remove it?
xxNeoncryxx Yikes! Wipe 'em down with a clean rag and isopropyl alcohol, then break them in as normal.
drive it slow for 10 min or use soap and water. Or both.
rub it off with some engine oil
return bike to dealer. youre not ready yet...
Generally people would ride it around in the style you'd expect from an inexperienced but cautious rider (should be easy). It'll come off in a few miles, it's not much worse than oil.
Disclaimer: comment intended for entertainment purposes only. Don't take safety tips from random idiots with UA-cam accounts.
Thank you for the advise… I was thinking along the same lines but just wasn’t sure if I was missing anything….
Not the right way for sure, but I was always told that I needed a solid burnout session to clear the grease out. Probably just my old man wanting an excuse to do excessive burnouts
Its the edges of the tyres which need scrubbed in not the centre, like he says find a twisty road and run up and down it progressively leaning the bike further onto its edge on each corner, it doesn't need to be fast either, I scrub my right hand edges on roundabouts over here in the UK by circling them on a quiet morning and the lefts I do on a country road.
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Thanks so much. Very informative. I changed tires 2 days ago. Glad I found this site.
Break in a new motor easy or hard?
HARD BREAK-IN ON MOTOR. !
I've heard mechanic say do it hard.... like you would your mrs
I agree, they should do a video on that topic, How should you break in a brand new bike.
it all depends on how long you want your engine to last
hard and change the oil and filter before the first 1000 miles
What do I really need to do to prepare and store my garaged bike over winter? Thank you for all the content, much appreciated!
Ive never breaked in tires but as a machinist i can tell you one thing if it takes forever to grind something your probably using the wrong tools or the wrong sandpaper i dont think there are rubber sandpapers but im pretty sure that if you have enough corse sandpaper it should work to some degree atleast better then he said it would be
Slick new tyres = awesome drifting ! Drifted on a roundabout on my little 125. Once the grip starts to take hold it’s sad times.
hey....please make a video on tyre dry rot...please...
Thanks, I put in new tires today and I lost a bit of traction when doing a turn, I didn't fall thankfully but I was alarmed lol, so I need to ride for a bit and break in the tires before taking "risks" lol.
Damn... I have serious 🍗🍗🍗 strips on my tires compared to yours. FML......
650ib dayummmm hahaha
If you enjoy your ride, you shouldn't even look at them ;)
Those are track tires, it's normal for them to look like that after a few laps on the track, if your tires are that fuzzed and balled up from street riding you might need to rein in the street rossi antics a tad.
@mrvwbug44
Street Rossi? You mean Street Cripple?
That's because you mostly just ride in a straight line as fast as possible. LUL
Completely agree with this video i put on a new set of touring tires on my bike within the third day layed it down from hitting the brakes going down the interstate
excellent - best summary about tire break in I've seen - thanks very much
I was looking at that rear fender like how the fuck that thing stay on there lmao, TGIF
THANK GOODNESS ITS FRIDAY
MrMJJ23 I was tripping for few seconds too 😂😂😂
I dont know if I had been looking enough with your videos or not, but I came across mc garage videos looking for a video for advantages and disadvantages for link type and standard rear suspension setup. I don't know if the information about these two is self explanatory or not, but I have not seen a video that pretty much explains both, and I am confident if you have or had a video about it, it would be very good to watch.
5:08 Ari about to drop a mixtape
Best motorcycle channel.
make a video of how to break in a brand new bike pls
ride it hard
Plopa sub I agree, ride the damn thing hard, it works better than the factory break in process, google hard break in
You could read your manual and go with the guidelines of the manufacturer that designed and built the engine from scratch and have been doing so for decades, or you could listen to the advice of some random hot shots online that at most rebuilt a few engines and never designed one by themselves, it's your choice.
Thuned The makers usually recommend a hard breakin these days. The problem is that people don't read the manual and ride very gently. Just RTFM
Thuned 3/4 throttle is plenty to seat the rings, and at low revs it's a manifold pressure very nearly as high as full throttle. They also say to avoid running at a constant speed. So use 3/4 throttle, but only for a few seconds, then shut the throttle and let it draw up oil and cool down. Just like what Motoman says.
Excellent video. I always give my tyres 100 miles.
Look at all that Belray on the shelf 👍
Green Machine yeah must be nice to be sponsored by them. They make great stuff but you'd have to have Trump's bank account to have that much Belray products in your garage. Lol
U guys are awesome and for sure deserve a better recognition
They need to bring back motorcycle wheel toss to the summer Olympics
Yup, in the spirit of the ancient Greeks, chariot wheel toss.
A very informative and good video clearing up misconceptions with science and logic.
Sound like a burn out excuse to me😎...."Wyd buddy? Breaking in my new tires."(Larry the cable guy vc)😭💀
Just got a new set, this answered a lot of the questions I was wondering about thanks.
Burn out will remove slick spot in center but does nothing for sides which is what you are on in a turn. Come on folks common sense tells you the slick film must be removed from entire tread area. 40 yrs of riding, I found a empty lot or deserted industrial area road is best for many things like tires and brakes. No traffic and slowly ease into sharper turns to slowly scuff off the film from entire tread area. Breaking and bedding in new brakes also good idea. FOLLOW manufacturers bed in procedure where you cab heat cycle and cool pads, and, or new rotors properly. Back in the day my ferodo (spelling?) pads said to do a cuple of 30 mph to ALMOST stop with a cool down period in between, then 50 mph a couple of times. This heat cycles but does not glaze pads, with cool down spots. Basically heat cool, heat cool in progressive steps.Brakes then had all the bite I could handle. OH testing and getting feel for brakes in empty area is great to know the limits before you need a panic stop.
Get with the times there's guys drifting now which amounts to a burnout ridden in circles and does indeed scorch right to the edge of the tires both sides if they know what they're doing. Of course the basic 99% of them don't.
Yeah do a drift burn out on edge of new tire see what happens, you will crash. The slick film is so slick you will go down fast and hard, but by all means do it. fast way to weed out ignorant riders fast and in a hurry. Hope you have full insurance for bike and body, bye bye dumbass.
curvecrazy lives in snow country where you can ride like 3 months a year...maybe when he finally gets a bike he will understand
Dude? Are you kidding me? Do me a favor and keep your BoolSheet comments to yourself. No a well seasoned stuntrider doing said drifting on a new tire is not going to crash. I've seen it done and my locals ARE NOT pros. How do you think they get the tire scorched to the edges? They aren't out riding curves at the necessary lean angles they (majority of them) haven't got the balls. Fact. Sorry. And, btw, I'm distinctly not a dumbass as you put it. That would better describe YOU. I have 33 years dedicated street riding experience now approaching 800,000 miles riding experience. Few ride at my level which is advanced expert. If you're even in the ballpark of my motorcycle riding ability or awareness then you'd be a 1%er. Your comment confirms you know fook all basically. You're probably the guy riding 100 miles to break in new tires and you still have 1.5 inch chicken strips even so while I'm off the edges of those new tires in under 2 miles (there done no more mold release compound or chicken strips) and tires are ready and off I go to ride awesomely.
Btw... I have multiple bikes all high mileage and our riding season is 6 months if you have proper gear for all weathers. FYI.
Im riding on these Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3.. Guys, buy these tires, they are amazing sports tires and they last. I knee down daily with them with super stability. Braking and rain properties are also amazing.
if I do a small burnout will that help?
Why on earth would you do a burnout rather than take the opportunity to go for a ride?
Low side 2 weeks ago.
didnt factor in Brand new tires in post wreck analysis.
Thank you.
was leaning aggressively... On a sportster
Low tire pressure and throttle wasent up.
1:38 voice crack
Can't say they don't use any releasing agent on motorcycle tires ...
But I did work for one of the biggest car brands in the world, and we regularly applied an armor all type substance to both the sidewall AND tread on certain types.
Rubber hardens sitting over time.
Simple and straight to the point! Just love MC garage!
sander is good for 🍗strip Delete mod!
I just bought a new set of tires. Nice to know this before I ride. I kinda forgot, a motorcycle's tires are not like new car tires. Gotta be careful.
Ari bring back the dreadlocks, bro!!!!! lol!!!! you were wild once; dont let them tame you!!!
jdwm This look is much better. Grown man swag
It took me some videos of Mc garage to realise it's the same guy I used to see in "on two wheels".
Fashion accessories make someone "wild"??
I think its so his head fits better into a helmet
A while back he was baffled that people are still asking him to bring them back since it's been years heheI actually remembered that when the vid started and I looked at his hair, and here you are hahaha
I agree that the new profile is one of the main reasons, however I find that temperature is the number one ingredient necessary. If your new tires are fully hot, they will be ready for intense riding almost immediately, in my experience. YMMV
Bollocks, we haven't needed to do this for several years. Ride normally and you'll be fine.
Awesome videos. Really easy to understand and cover really interesting topics. keep up the great work.
I just do a good 15 second burnout within the first 5 miles when I get new tires 😂
Yeah, for sure... But how do you burn out the front...
I always take it easy on new tires. So many riders feel the need to haul ass everywhere. Those are the ones that end up on the news, new tires or old.
I once managed to crash due to not taking off the sticker.
Don't forget to peel off the sticker on helmet shield next time you buy a new helmet.
huh, I thought it would get scrubbed off, good to know!
I appreciate your honesty
A lot of new tires will also have a protective layer that helps to conserve them. It´s the reason why you can buy an older tire and have it work just as well as if it was straight from the factory. It will come off if you heat the tire by riding or if you just put it on tire warmers for 15-30 minutes (standard 80°).
Just do a quick burnout less than 20 sec.
Burnout does not help the FRONT.
And actually only scrubs off a narrow band that works if you are not taking a corner
so essentially, you didn't do ANY good for the parts that count.
go ahead. Do it your way and you are committing suicide if you think it worked
Mr. Leon cant do a burnout on my red rose 50...
Mr. Leon That’s what I was thinking
didn't know your bike can do a front wheel burnout... must be a special bike
Allan Murray AWD? 😂
Low sided on my brand new mt03 just the other day on a right hand turn at an intersection, already rode 75km and was only 5 mins from home, speed was between 30-35kmh so certainly not too fast but certainly to fast for the new tires that weren't scrubbed yet. Wish I watched this video before that happened. I'm fine, just some muscle aches and a sore shoulder, the bike is fine just some easy to fix cosmetic stuff, lesson learned the hard way, LET YOUR TIRES BREAK IN!
I’d bought a new GSXR1100 in the late 80s. My friends house was less than a mile from the shop. I had a new Suzuki Gamma and an RZ500 at the time. So had a little experience with power and new tires. Turned on to my friends street, twisted throttle and went for the ride of a life time. You haven’t high sided until you high sided a brand new $11,000 bike with 2 miles on it. Green tires can kill.
I road raced motorcycles. I won 6 Championships/2 time national champion WERA & AMA..
I was sponsored by Continental tire.. they gave me lots of tires. I would go out and practice on a new set of tires every weekend/Saturday for practice. I would give the tires one lap/2 miles to break in.
when it would rain, I would go out on brand new tires not even scuffed in. The only scuff in they got was during the warm-up lap. The only change I would make in a rain race, was, I would increase my tire pressures 6 pounds to shrink my contact patch, which is the same as making more pressure per square inch to squeegee the water harder.
I do not know where people came up with the idea that you need to break new tires in for50 or 100 miles. I never found that to be the case.
by the way, during one 3 yr run, I only lost two races, and in those two races, they were both in the rain, and less than two bike lengths was the gap to first. My racing weight was 190 pounds, the guy who won both of those races, weighed 135 pounds on the same machine I was riding. I never liked to lead in rain, i’ll let someone else lead until the last lap, sometimes the last corner, I would ride in his tracks, but usually, they crashed in the rain if they were ahead of me. you got to be smooth and use the entire width of the track in the rain.. and get all of your breaking done while you are straight up and down, no trail breaking in the rain..
you do not need to break tires in for more than a couple of left and a couple of right turns..
if it was true that you had to break tires in, why is it that Formula One and NASCAR tires are best when they are brand new/sticker tires
Been there and done that, low sided within 5 miles of the cycle shop right in front of my father in law (his daughter rides on the back!). Low speed cornering across painted lines at a four way stop.
Love your MC Garage so much...will hope to see how to brake in a new motorcycle engine in MC garage
Your Vids are always good,loads of real information.Your knowledge is always spot on,good work mate.
I'm about to start riding my first brand new bike with new tyres so this should come in handy
Yeah. My Benelli 302s (2022) got sideways on me the first time I made a turn on it. It was brand new I had just brought it home with 1 mile on it and did not think about the new tires. Glad I kept it up but damn I did not need coffee that day LOL.
I used to work in a dealership, where we always advised the owners to take it easy for the first 100 miles on new tires - even after the tires had been scrubbed in by our test rider. Another thing to avoid with your tires is Tire Shine/Armor All/whatever you want to call it. We had a customer bring his bike in after he had laid it down. The customer owned a car dealership, and had his detail people wash and detail his bike. As was normal on a car, the techs used tire shine on his bike's tires, including the tread. This caused a major loss of traction, resulting in the bike (and rider) going down. It took 2 people over 4 hours each, to remove enough of the tire shine for the test rider to feel safe enough taking the bike out to scrub in the tires again.
can i apply tire shine only in sidewalls? for aesthetic purpose only..
@@lloydz8828 Why would you do that? With the tire heating on the road there could be a product dispersing/tranfering on/to the contact areas and you definitely don't want that. A bike looks nice enough without that risky gimmic.
You know what I haven't been able to find anywhere on the net? Riding tips - especially body positioning tips - specific to supernakeds. It's not an MC garage topic, but it would really be useful, especially with the increasing popularity of these kinds of bikes. I've been riding for about 20 years, but always sportsbikes. I did the Keith Code superbike school years ago. But I find it hard to adjust to the position of my new MT-10. The usual tips - kiss the inside mirror, outside arm slung over the tank, etc - just don't translate.
This is the most informative video that i have found.....awsome suff man
Please make a video on procedures and precaution on storing a byke for long time.. like 2-3 years
Just sell it and buy a new one 3 years later
Shah b.s Best thing for engines and machines is to be run. But if it must be stored... DO NOT START IT AT ALL unless you're actually going to ride it. Otherwise you invite moisture in the cylinders. Store it with a full tank of fuel and some sort of fuel stabilizer (I prefer Stabil 360) that keeps the fuel fresh and moisture out of the fuel tank so it can't rust (although most modern stuff has some sort of interior coating if they're metal tanks.) if it's a carbureted engine cut the fuel off and run it until it dies to keep fuel from gumming up the carb. Pump up your tires to max pressure or store the bike on a stand if possible, a good coat of wax and cover to protect the paint. change the oil so any sort of acid in the old/ used motor oil isn't just sitting there. And if you're really worried take the spark plugs out and fog the cylinders with marvel mystery oil or similar to avoid rust on the cylinder walls, stuck rings, and dry restart, then reinstall then plugs for storage. And a battery tender to keep it charged, or unhook the battery.
Shah b.s lol left a 1988 DT50 outside in 2 feet of snow, and all other weather. All it needed was a new throttle cable, some penetrating oil and for the tank and carb to be cleaned. Runs like a champ
Shah b.s drain all gas, including carb, pull plugs and spray rust inhibitor through carb or carbs while turning the motor over then replace plugs with antiseize on threads. When ready to start years later, put marvel mystery oil down plug holes and let sit 48 hours in case rings are stuck. Done this with old classic bikes and have never had a problem. Also remove battery.
Thanks good guy. Now you get these Wahoo's, young and old, get on their new bike tires envisioning themselves like they see the racetrack Riders ripping around these Corners laying down at 10 degree angles of attack, without the knowledge that those tires on the race bikes are designed to go 20 laps. That's extremely soft and tacky material on those tires as you indicated. They should throw warning signs on those race track shows. And the track watching live races. You know to then, letting all these Street racers realize there at quite a disadvantage compared to the race track super tacky tires underneath the Riders in professional racing. Another good video bro.
i put on a new rear tire the same series newer year made and ended up low side out of track in my practice parking lot just within couple hours . and again on street 4 days later hahaha. know i learn more to be cautious to a new hard compound tire. because i changed front tire not long before and it worked better in all means since the first touch. but the front tire was medium compound.
Sometimes the sheen on new tires is from the dealership making them look pretty for sale. At least, for new bikes. That's been my experience, even though it's a bit dated.
Went down once leaving the shop and fractured an elbow, even with riding gear. Still think it’s unacceptable for tires to leave a shop like that. Imagine if you left the shop with new tires on your mustang and spun out into traffic! An easy solution is a tire scuffer that would spin the tire like a balancer, and scuff the surface before sending the bike out.
I found it quite interesting that they don't actually put release agent on the tread surface itself. But I wonder if they put a preservative/protectant on the tire to prevent the rubber from perishing while it is stored. Because rubber does dry out the longer it sits exposed to the elements.
Tire lube during mounting can get onto the tread area. It is very slippery in the wet so might be a good idea to wipe them down after mounting.