For the flashbacks on Arrow, you can replace Oliver's time on the Island with Clint's time as a villain in the comics and expand on that, it also ties into Oliver starting in a darker place in Arrow to have Clint becoming a vigilante as a way to redeem himself from his past.
In marvel comics Clint and his brother run away from home and join the circus which eventually turns out to be a evil circus and ringmaster dubs him the archer he doesn’t want harm people so then he was founded by nick fury and join shield trained and certified and stood up against black widow
Iris doesn't have a police captain father in the comics, she either has an abusive father or is from the future. MJ fits better as Peter's ultimate love interest, as a red head and even as someone with an abusive father. So, all the same changes are made to MJ that were made to Iris. As for Gwen, she could appear a bit in season 1 as a counterpart to Linda Park.
That kind of makes sense knowing how in the Ultimate Comics, Peter and Gwen have a romantic relationship even she saw him as a brother type figure and lived together. Which is very similar to how Barry and Iris were like brother and sister in the Arrowverse and had a relationship😂😂😂
@@arthurg.calixto3338it’s really messy for someone who knows who all these characters are named after, less so from someone with little prior knowledge
@@TheBlackLion001 Maybe S4 we get his Classic Suit Proper, and then they keep changing it even though just adding the emotive eyes would've made it perfect.
I love how he’s still compline and acts annoyed by Heather’s decisions but stick by them for the sake of the videos. Man, Felicity post Season 2 really was terrible
28:48 It would be cool if Raimiverse Peter was introduced wearing the Last Stand Spider-Man suit. You can't tell me that suit wouldn't fit in with the early CW's leather jacket aesthetic.
What’s funny is I find it highly unlikely that Marvel would even let them use Spider Man on TV. They’d probably treat that dude like the CW treated Batman.
It was soo cool when they brought back the VA from Iron the animated series to play an older Tony Stark,oh and Tom Welling making a cameo as his version of Captain America was awesome.
I love how little sense this makes to me comic wise because so little of these characters are connected in the way that youre describing anf then I remember how it was just like that in the arrowvwrse
I love it when he mentions that Sinister Six is never a focus of Spider-Man because I completely forgot that we never got a full-on Rogues team in The Flash.
The point of the arrowverse is that they couldn’t use Batman due to licensing issues, so they just plopped a different character into his role. The proper structure would’ve been to make Spider-Man unavailable to this setup and start the Marvel Arrowverse with Daredevil taking over Spider-Man’s character arc and villains.
That would be so amazing. And also, what if the Arrowverse didn't start trying to be "realistic" and immediately jumped into "superpowers exist and we live in a World with metahumans" from the get go?
@@NIDELLANEUM I think the realism was the best part of the early seasons. As it tried to delve more and more into the comic book nonsense it just got worse and worse, especially with The Flash.
@@NIDELLANEUMIn a world where superpowers already exist and it's common to see superheros roaming around it's really unlikely that Catwomen, Arrow etc would exists..... And if they did they would've seen less threatening.....
I would’ve made Ray Palmer Tony Stark and Daredevil as Batman. Jessie Quick also most definitely should have been Spider-Gwen and Kid Flash as Miles Morales. This video is funny because of how little sense this makes in terms of the connections these characters have in comparison to the comics, which is exactly like the Arrowverse- honestly it’s worse in the Arrowverse. As the video goes on, you can hear him care less and less lmao
What’s funny is I find it highly unlikely that Marvel would even let them use Spider Man on TV. They’d probably treat that dude like the CW treated Batman.
Which is a shame because Spider Man, particularly the street level stuff we all want them to go back to, could probably work pretty well as a TV show, as long as they used the budget well. For that matter, so would Batman.
@@medafan53yeah but spider-man and Batman are popular just to be left at street level they’re the poster boys for their respective companies. If you ask me the issue has always been the transition from street hero to main hero. For me when spider-man is younger he should be more street level as a hero but as he gets older he should move on to bigger things, let an older Peter in his late 20s - 30s join the Avengers main team and let Miles be the protector of New York with Peter coming back every now and then when Venom or Green Goblin or Morlun is arii oh and but everyone else should be left for the young spider-man to deal with. As for Batman the best transition is from Batman to Batman beyond because outside of Terry and maybe Damien no one else even wants to be Batman
Arrow: Daredevil Flash: Spider-Man Supergirl: Photon Constantine: Ghost Rider Legends of Tomorrow: Exiles Black Lightning: Luke Cage Batwoman: Shuri (Black Panther) Superman and Lois: Captain Marvel and War Machine Vixen: Storm The Ray: Sunfire The Flash (1990): Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man
@@EiraGoodfellow Like John Constantine, Johnny Blaze had also had a poorly received cinematic adaptation, travels all over investigating the supernatural, and commonly gets his friends killed or hurt. It seemed a better fit.
Clint: Seriously, what the hell happened to you as a kid? Natasha: Nothing that never happened to countless other girls. And then season two happens, suddenly the line is no longer played as light deflection.
Bro this is too good😂 you honestly understand the CW writing formula way too well especially with these random Z list villians for their shows it’s too accurate.
You gotta talk about Cap and Peggy being the sole survivor of the CWverse: a very good family drama about Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter of an alternate Earth who are raising 2 kids nowadays (because for some reason Peggy was brought to the present due to timeline shenanigans), one of them being born with the X gene and discovering his powers throughout the show The show introduces the Winter Soldier in season 1 initially as an antagonist and later becoming an ally, General Ross is in the supporting cast (but never becomes Red Hulk) and by season 4 the show ends due to budget cuts on the CW with a a very loose adaptation of his death from Civil War
The prospect of Norman and Peter switching positions is kinda funny when you remember there is a universe where Norman is Spider-Man, and the more recent "Spider-Goblin" stuff in the main 616 books.
I honestly can’t decide if this would be better or worse than the Arrowverse, but I applaud the extensive amount of thinking that went into this idea. Seriously, well done.
I love how you changed spidys look to an okay costume for season 5 after it was perfect before that. Very great detail. That’s pretty much how it felt on the flash too😂
I cannot imagine in this alternative universe seeing post like the hawk verse trio was the best freaking Hawkeye Spider-Man and captain marvel the most random characters to become a trio lol
I had forgotten how much chaos the Arrowverse had in the later seasons… I would love more Hawkeye in the MCU though…but not this way. Good job pairing up characters!
I really love this idea, but I would make Wolverine the Arrow equivalent, making it the X-verse instead. I know they don’t have much in common but having Wolverine and Spider-man be the backbone of a tv universe just makes so much sense to me.
The first four shows to be introduced was WandaVision, Loki, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye. I literally thought that a few shows was gonna be like the Marvel's version of the Arrowverse(or what I like to call, a new Netflix Defenderverse.) Such a shame how they ruined it
Jesus... This would have been the same mess as we got with the Arrowverse. Like Flash, Spider-Man would've been the only thing keeping me going till the end.
Well, unlike The Flash, Spider-Man has no time travel elements to it. So either Mayday would be from an alternate universe or would be a baby. I decided to go for Silk instead since she brings in Morlun and the Inheritors.
I think She-Hulk works better for Supergirl. Both being cousins to a big powerful hero, then you can replace Martian Manhunter with Super Skrull or something.
A major plot point in Season Two of Captain Marvel you forgot to mention. Before the introduction of Rhea, the main Antagonists are H.A.M.M.E.R led by Cynthia Von Doom and Brian Banner. Victorious becomes Carol's best friend in that season and everyone thinks they have more chemistry than her and Gladiator.
This is the worst Disney could ever do, the Marvel universe deserved better and I for one will not watch anything else Disney produces until they give us an explanation for the main villain. It is called the Hawkverse Disney, why was Norman Osborn treated like he was the main antagonist of the entire franchise despite being Spider-Man's nemesis and never directly fighting Hawkeye?! Do us all a favour and sell Marvel to do Sony already! - Honestly though, great video man you really showed how awful this universe was and why for all the problem Marvel Entertainment had, DC had it worse.
To add on in the hawk verse Tony leaves New York after killing iron monger and in secret wars event an evil Tony kills Captain America.Also in the Iron Heart show Tony does get casted but he is in a dream sequence and we do get to see his suit but he does not where it.
I was actually doing this myself last week lol My take was Devilverse Daredevil Season 1 Daredevil Season 2 (I chose: Guardians of the Multiverse for Legends of Tomorrow Sentress for Supergirl Spider-Man for the Flash) For Crisis on Earth X i did Secret Empire and Crisis on Infinite Earths I did Secret Wars (both fit for comic titles and have the same first word, crisis on... secret...) and then Black Lighting was made Living Lighting. for the classic Spider-Man I chose Nicholas Hammond who can also be uncle ben, the main spider man i chose andrew and for the time when ezra had a cameo i used tom)
@@AdamDoyle21 Sentress is actually a female sentry from the marvel comics and hes the most superman like character and if done right could be a good series
@@donnae1899 because the OG flash actor was also Henry Allen in the flash tv show and also played the flash too I would make Nicholas Hammond a spider man variant, he wouldnt even be needed that much tho since he would be 64 during the first season which sees him die - probably just be a cameo in crisis
My version Arrow- iron man Flash- Spider-Man Legends of tomorrow- X-men John Constantine- ghost rider supergirl- Jane fosters smallville- Thor Black panther- black lightning Iron heart- bat woman Young avengers- titans Fantastic four- doom patrol Ms marvel- stargirl
Here's how I would choose the characters. First, as the Green Arrow equivalent, I would instead choose a Wolverine equivalent. Wolverine, Spider-Man, and the Fantastic 4, prior to the MCU, were the biggest Marvel characters of all time, and of those, Wolverine would be the easiest to do on a TV budget. However, much like how the writers wanted to use Batman in our universe, but had to settle for the Green Arrow (and change him to be more like Batman), I would do the same with a Marvel character, changing them to be more like Wolverine. Maybe Iron Fist? Want an even worse Iron Fist adaptation? Or possibly USAgent, but he's way less popular than Green Arrow. Next, a Flash equivalent. Spider-Man massively outclasses The Flash in terms of popularity and success. He's more on par with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Instead, I feel like someone like Iron Man would be more likely (as, without the MCU, he'd be a lot less popular). In place of Constantine, as a 1-season show that didn't quite work, I'd go with Thor. He's a great character, but I feel like it's hard to make someone like him work as a standalone Superhero TV show, especially in a more grounded universe. Both Constantine and Thor work better when surrounded by other heroes. But if not Thor, how about Ant-Man? I feel like Ant-Man and Constantine, before the MCU and Arrowverse, were at a similar level, so I could see this swap out working.. however, I think an Ant-Man TV show would be successful, unlike Constantine. Thus, Thor is the better choice if you don't want to think of how people's reactions to the shows would change the shows themselves. As a Supergirl equivalent, it'd have to be someone adjacent to someone like Spider-Man, Wolverine, or a member of the Fantastic 4. Maybe Scarlet Spider, or X-23? In place of DC's Legends of Tomorrow, I'd put.. uh.. Marvel's Legends of Tomorrow. It was a 100% original concept, it only makes sense to have it be the same concept here too. Cable goes back in time, to find a team of heroes to save the future, yada yada. As for the team? Well, it'd depend on which characters appear in the other previous shows (minus Supergirl equivalent show). Plus some Hawkman and Hawkgirl equivalents. If you go with Thor instead of Constantine, then Legends has Ant-Man and The Wasp. If you go with Ant-Man instead of Constantine, then Legends has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. As those are the only 2 duos in the Avengers. Instead of Batwoman, well, just go with the other Supergirl option. Black Lightning, Black Panther. Obvious choice. And finally, instead of Superman and Lois.. Spider-Man and MJ.
As much as i liked this, even if i haven't watched the Arrowverse. I feel it would be more realistic for Marvel to have made a Daredevil/Arrow show where the guy would take Spider-Man/Batman lore to his story since Marvel/DC would refuse to gave the character for TV
Just an I since you put in a lot of Arrowverse related work already. What if the Arrowverse and the DCEU were one universe? I mean this could also apply to Titans and Doom Patrol since technically, Inhumans, Cloak and Dagger, The Netflix shows and Runaways are considered canon to the MCU its just that they don't interact that much. In a DCEU setting that would be different. Personally I'd take liberties with some elements since the idea would be the DCEU and Arrowerse were planned around the same time, like maybe saying to Zack Snyder "No don't kill of Dick Grayson we need him for a Titans TV Show" or something of Vice Versa with "Hey Arrow, can we have a more faithful version of Firefly? We're working on a Batgirl movie where he's the villain that's totally gonna come out some day".
@@suryasingh9738considering how young Spider-Man is when he gets bitten by the Spider, the show wouldn’t be able to last for as long as smallville did, maybe focus the show on a young Tony stark and they could expand on the early life of some of the future avengers
@@RealogOnlyBrodie Sure, that's not a bad idea. But I was talking about him getting bit by the spider but not becoming Spider-man till the final season.
23:02 I can't think of a worse thing than highjacking another couple's wedding. Ten seconds later... "A new Hawkeye shows up who turns out to be Maya Lopez" Damn! I never had to eat crow so fast in my life! The weird combination of actors and plots made my brain melt! Great job, keep it up!
Ok but why replace Thea with a loose adaptation of Kate Bishop instead of with Barney Barton, Clint's actual brother that went out to become an archer vigilante on his own. Also i would've changed Winn with Rick Mason, who had something of a relationship with Carol and is the son of the Tinkerer, who's the closer you can get to Toyman. And why make Rick Jones Falcon when A-Bomb and Bucky are right there, i know CW didn't make Jimmy Turtle Boy or Mr. Action, but c'mon. PS: I'm actually the orignal creator of the Scorpion render that appears for like 2 seconds in 8:02, it's John Berthal as Scorpion and made it back in 2019.
As someone who was a partcipant in the original wave of the Spider-Man Universe 5 months ago, let me say this is much better a more coherent way of going for the universe. We had Tom Cavanagh be Loki, Goblin, Alfred (??) and also Paul at some point. So yes. This is way more coherent. I may not agree with everything that has been chosen, but I can say that’s what makes this alternate universe fun. We can have our own versions of the tv show. Anyways thanks for looking at this madness.
I could follow everything until right before I stopped watching the Arrowverse. After that I just have absolutely no idea what's happening, but knowing Marvel comics, none of it made any sense lmao
Can you expand on your rebooted MCU chapter 1 gods and monsters idea form your What if the MCU Was As Poorly Structured as the DCEU (such as Captain America, The Invincible Iron Man , Fury series, The Hulk series, Kraven’s last hunt, X men, and more 🙏🏽
Funny how back on late 2023 & early, Twitter & Instagram wete blown with CW Marvel fan arts & edits, where they put Arrow as Moon Knight & The Flash as Spider-Man
Constantine - Dr. Strange Arrow - Hawkeye The Flash - Quicksilver Supergirl - Sentress Legends of Tommorow - some kind of show about team that Cable comes from the future and makes and they travel through time Vixen - Squirrel Girl Batwoman - Ironheart Stargirl - America Chavez Superman & Lois - Sentry & Linda
I have never seen any of your videos before, and my first impression of you, one sentence into this video, is "This guy is talking in run-on sentences."
Not sure why Fantastic 4 is the Stargirl equivalent, they don't seem to have much to do with each other, especially since Stargirl is so Justice Society focused. I'd have gone with "Nomad" is the equivalent, Rikki Barnes, who was also a modern day distaff counterpart of a red and blue golden age hero (Bucky before changing her name alias) created in the 90s. Then you Replace Sylvester with Jack Monroe, the third Bucky/primary Nomad in the comics who's merged with traits of the original Bucky Barnes (who they can't use on the show) like how Sylvester is an amalgam of himself and the Jack Knight Starman. Then you can use Invaders equivalents for the JSA, how Rikki form with the Young Allies/Kid Commandos as the main cast and it fall pretty neatly in place.
They started this with the Defenders in 2015 well Netflix did but they should’ve never been cancelled but brought over and continued on Netflix but have a Heroes for Hire and DoTD show, and Daredevil with the ou Punisher and JJ appearances. Then build it out to Hawkeye, etc. they had the Marvelverse origins with the Netflix MCU and should’ve expanded on that
I love how salty yet true this entire thing is. As an arrowverse fan and fan of Legends, no one liked the arrowverse, not even the fans. The CW would not cancel shows and just dragged them on for way too long. They could have just ended the flash at season 5, but it went for 4 more seasons of nothing. Some shows were getting better, but it was far too late and the CW was made to look palatable to other companies. It was a nice thing to look forward to every day in my lonely middle and high school years. I would definitely put AoS characters as later legends characters though. I love AoS.
No Peter. We're Spiderman
🤣🤣
"I'm the hero, not you."
No, Peter. We are VENOM
Spider Man Season 7 sounds better than Flash Season 7
"No Peter. We're Spider-Man" sounds like a badass line Venom could say after making a deal with Mephisto to take over Peter's life.
For the flashbacks on Arrow, you can replace Oliver's time on the Island with Clint's time as a villain in the comics and expand on that, it also ties into Oliver starting in a darker place in Arrow to have Clint becoming a vigilante as a way to redeem himself from his past.
I like it
@@TheBlackLion001 😂 I really dig the Arrowverse parallels, and these styled videos in general keep up the good work
In marvel comics Clint and his brother run away from home and join the circus which eventually turns out to be a evil circus and ringmaster dubs him the archer he doesn’t want harm people so then he was founded by nick fury and join shield trained and certified and stood up against black widow
The obvious counterpart to Iris West is Gwen Stacy. Both are love interests to the main character and both have police parents.
yeah but both Iris West and Mary Jane are red heads
@@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964
gwen still makes more sense
Iris doesn't have a police captain father in the comics, she either has an abusive father or is from the future. MJ fits better as Peter's ultimate love interest, as a red head and even as someone with an abusive father. So, all the same changes are made to MJ that were made to Iris. As for Gwen, she could appear a bit in season 1 as a counterpart to Linda Park.
@@TheBlackLion001Gwen should be Patty as Patty is an officer so Gwen could become an officer just like her father
Liz should be Linda imo
That kind of makes sense knowing how in the Ultimate Comics, Peter and Gwen have a romantic relationship even she saw him as a brother type figure and lived together. Which is very similar to how Barry and Iris were like brother and sister in the Arrowverse and had a relationship😂😂😂
Just like the Arrowverse, most of these shows actually sound pretty cool and interesting in their early seasons before they devolve into convolution
Exactly
I don't know. I never watched any of the Arrowverse but for this, season 1 sounded convoluted from the getgo
@@arthurg.calixto3338it’s really messy for someone who knows who all these characters are named after, less so from someone with little prior knowledge
I love how Spider-Man's suits change throughout the video, reflecting the changes in Flash's suit.
Couldn't show it in the video but Spider-Man would get emotive eyes in season 8 as an equivalent to the gold boots that Flash finally got.
@@TheBlackLion001 so terrible. But so accurate for what the CW did.
@@TheBlackLion001 Maybe S4 we get his Classic Suit Proper, and then they keep changing it even though just adding the emotive eyes would've made it perfect.
Remember the "Hawk" show where Hawkeye was just iron man for some reason?
no, I remember the _Eye_ show where Hawkeye was just the Punisher for no reason
Yeah, they used to take Iron Man's villains to the show and they even made a tower to him just like Stark Tower!!
@@Cara_Aleatorio29 Barton Tower ?
@@binho61717 Precisely yes.
“Swing. Peter. Swing.”
😂
The Barry tingle
“It was me Peter”
Norman revealing how Peter got his powers
"Swing Peter, Swing!"
"My formula is beyond your understanding"
Alternate universe: “You know, I’m something of a speedster myself.”
"I cucked you with Gwen Stacy!"
I love how he’s still compline and acts annoyed by Heather’s decisions but stick by them for the sake of the videos. Man, Felicity post Season 2 really was terrible
And Jean the Wolfe… lol you are legend
It’s for authenticity on how it would look if it followed nearly exactly how the CW DC shows went.
Hawkeye=Arrow
Spiderman= Flash
Captain Marvel=Supergirl
Guardians Of The Galaxy=Legends Of Tomorrow
Black Panther=Black Lightning
Ironheart=Batwoman
I like that
I think i’d rather put Inhumans as Legends of Tomorrow.
@@ttt9830or Fantastic Four
Black Panther and Black Lightning are nothing alike.
Luke Cage = Black Lightning
Ironman and Pots=Superman and Lois
As someone who never watched the Arrowverse, this is so hilariously convoluted
The name "John Fraction" Is so 90's WCW, I love it lmao
Are we talking Pre Nitro WCW or Post😂
28:48 It would be cool if Raimiverse Peter was introduced wearing the Last Stand Spider-Man suit. You can't tell me that suit wouldn't fit in with the early CW's leather jacket aesthetic.
What’s funny is I find it highly unlikely that Marvel would even let them use Spider Man on TV. They’d probably treat that dude like the CW treated Batman.
@@abdullaha2939 Sony. You're talking about Sony.
@@mawinstallation6626 In the logic of the video Marvel has the rights of all of their characters, that's why he mentioned mutants
@@misterchris3491 The movie and tv rights of mutants are ALREADY owned by Marvel though, but I get your point.
@@MelianLimGachaVideos Well, this is set in the same time frame as Arrowverse so back in 2012 they didn't had X-Men
It was soo cool when they brought back the VA from Iron the animated series to play an older Tony Stark,oh and Tom Welling making a cameo as his version of Captain America was awesome.
You mean Robert Hays?
I love how little sense this makes to me comic wise because so little of these characters are connected in the way that youre describing anf then I remember how it was just like that in the arrowvwrse
I love it when he mentions that Sinister Six is never a focus of Spider-Man because I completely forgot that we never got a full-on Rogues team in The Flash.
The strange connections between totally unrelated characters is...perfect. You nailed it.
The Hulk being the counterpart to Manhunter is a meme at this point 💀
THAT'S who he's supposed to be??
Man arrowverse sucks
The point of the arrowverse is that they couldn’t use Batman due to licensing issues, so they just plopped a different character into his role. The proper structure would’ve been to make Spider-Man unavailable to this setup and start the Marvel Arrowverse with Daredevil taking over Spider-Man’s character arc and villains.
No nerd
I mean King Pin is already a Spiderman Villian so…..
Disney can makes series about Spidey, Sony only has movie rights
I mean, that kinda happened with the Netflix show lol
Yes DCEU didnt have an Arrow in its Justice League, so is logical that this fictional verse should have a Daredevil instead of two hawkeyes
I've always wanted to see a video like this. They always make MCU-DCEU comparisons, but they always forget about the Arrowverse
There’s a series of this by MrEliMac where Captain America is Arrow, Iron Man is Flash.
@@Hiro-rx8yb Oh so they follow which characters Marvel Studios owned the rights of at that time? Nice, feelsa accurate
Awesome! What if…….The Arrowverse had all rights to all characters from the beginning?
That would be so amazing. And also, what if the Arrowverse didn't start trying to be "realistic" and immediately jumped into "superpowers exist and we live in a World with metahumans" from the get go?
@@NIDELLANEUM I think the realism was the best part of the early seasons. As it tried to delve more and more into the comic book nonsense it just got worse and worse, especially with The Flash.
@@ProjektTaku I stopped watching the flash after season 4
@@NIDELLANEUMIn a world where superpowers already exist and it's common to see superheros roaming around it's really unlikely that Catwomen, Arrow etc would exists..... And if they did they would've seen less threatening.....
I would’ve made Ray Palmer Tony Stark and Daredevil as Batman. Jessie Quick also most definitely should have been Spider-Gwen and Kid Flash as Miles Morales. This video is funny because of how little sense this makes in terms of the connections these characters have in comparison to the comics, which is exactly like the Arrowverse- honestly it’s worse in the Arrowverse. As the video goes on, you can hear him care less and less lmao
3:40 The name “John” is also a reference to Little John, sidekick of Robin Hood, who was a heavy inspiration for Green Arrow’s characterization
was his weapon made of galvanized square steel
What’s funny is I find it highly unlikely that Marvel would even let them use Spider Man on TV. They’d probably treat that dude like the CW treated Batman.
Which is a shame because Spider Man, particularly the street level stuff we all want them to go back to, could probably work pretty well as a TV show, as long as they used the budget well.
For that matter, so would Batman.
Frs. We would get a Spider Gwen instead
@@medafan53yeah but spider-man and Batman are popular just to be left at street level they’re the poster boys for their respective companies. If you ask me the issue has always been the transition from street hero to main hero. For me when spider-man is younger he should be more street level as a hero but as he gets older he should move on to bigger things, let an older Peter in his late 20s - 30s join the Avengers main team and let Miles be the protector of New York with Peter coming back every now and then when Venom or Green Goblin or Morlun is arii oh and but everyone else should be left for the young spider-man to deal with.
As for Batman the best transition is from Batman to Batman beyond because outside of Terry and maybe Damien no one else even wants to be Batman
Which means their equivalent of the Batwoman TV show would be a Spider-Woman show where Ruby Rose plays Jessica Drew
@@medafan53 Street level is a meaningless term, every good guy fights crime and evil everywhere
How did I actually get attached to stuff that doesn’t even exist
Arrow: Daredevil
Flash: Spider-Man
Supergirl: Photon
Constantine: Ghost Rider
Legends of Tomorrow: Exiles
Black Lightning: Luke Cage
Batwoman: Shuri (Black Panther)
Superman and Lois: Captain Marvel and War Machine
Vixen: Storm
The Ray: Sunfire
The Flash (1990): Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man
Constantine is surely Doctor strange?
Don't agree with any of it
@@EiraGoodfellowno doctor strange is doctor fate
@@xz4vi3r Hellstorm then
@@EiraGoodfellow Like John Constantine, Johnny Blaze had also had a poorly received cinematic adaptation, travels all over investigating the supernatural, and commonly gets his friends killed or hurt. It seemed a better fit.
Crazy how in this universe, we still got Tobey, Andrew, and Tom as the three actors for Spider-Man, albeit the latter two in different contexts.
Clint: Seriously, what the hell happened to you as a kid?
Natasha: Nothing that never happened to countless other girls.
And then season two happens, suddenly the line is no longer played as light deflection.
This video just made me realize how wild and all over the place the Arrowverse really was
A good one would be Daredevil used to be Brooklyn’s hero and a boxer in ‘The Hawk’.
If u remember WildCat was in an arrow episode as this 😂.
8:11 casually straightwashing America sounds like something the CW would do
I HAD THE EXSACT SAME THOUGHT!
Bro this is too good😂 you honestly understand the CW writing formula way too well especially with these random Z list villians for their shows it’s too accurate.
You gotta talk about Cap and Peggy being the sole survivor of the CWverse: a very good family drama about Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter of an alternate Earth who are raising 2 kids nowadays (because for some reason Peggy was brought to the present due to timeline shenanigans), one of them being born with the X gene and discovering his powers throughout the show
The show introduces the Winter Soldier in season 1 initially as an antagonist and later becoming an ally, General Ross is in the supporting cast (but never becomes Red Hulk) and by season 4 the show ends due to budget cuts on the CW with a a very loose adaptation of his death from Civil War
No, Peter. You're not Spiderman. We are.
Fr lol
The prospect of Norman and Peter switching positions is kinda funny when you remember there is a universe where Norman is Spider-Man, and the more recent "Spider-Goblin" stuff in the main 616 books.
having Liam Yu being Budapest for Hawkeye is brilliant
I honestly can’t decide if this would be better or worse than the Arrowverse, but I applaud the extensive amount of thinking that went into this idea. Seriously, well done.
I love how you changed spidys look to an okay costume for season 5 after it was perfect before that. Very great detail. That’s pretty much how it felt on the flash too😂
Marvel did have they're own arrowverse. The Defenders saga.
No since it’s not a separate universe, and didn’t go completely bonkers
I cannot imagine in this alternative universe seeing post like the hawk verse trio was the best freaking Hawkeye Spider-Man and captain marvel the most random characters to become a trio lol
lol Iron Man would be like Batman. We’d always want him to appear but he would never actually show up and just be gone for some reason lmaoo
That was AMAZING! You obviously watched as much of if not more of the Arrowverse than I did! Great, no, inspired correlations with the characters.
I had forgotten how much chaos the Arrowverse had in the later seasons…
I would love more Hawkeye in the MCU though…but not this way. Good job pairing up characters!
I really love this idea, but I would make Wolverine the Arrow equivalent, making it the X-verse instead. I know they don’t have much in common but having Wolverine and Spider-man be the backbone of a tv universe just makes so much sense to me.
Spidey and Wolverine have a bunch of comics where they have worked together so that could work.
The problem is that it makes sense.
Which is the exact opposite of the arrowverse
@@Ringohulk777 😂😂
The first four shows to be introduced was WandaVision, Loki, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye. I literally thought that a few shows was gonna be like the Marvel's version of the Arrowverse(or what I like to call, a new Netflix Defenderverse.)
Such a shame how they ruined it
Dude, I can imagine Tom Cavanagh being an amazing Green Goblin
11:18 America's powers inadvertently bringing Norman back to life via multiverse shenanigans seems to be the best bet here in the end.
Jesus... This would have been the same mess as we got with the Arrowverse. Like Flash, Spider-Man would've been the only thing keeping me going till the end.
Not sure it would make sense for Silk to be a stand-in for Nora West-Allen when Mayday is right there.
Well, unlike The Flash, Spider-Man has no time travel elements to it. So either Mayday would be from an alternate universe or would be a baby. I decided to go for Silk instead since she brings in Morlun and the Inheritors.
I think She-Hulk works better for Supergirl. Both being cousins to a big powerful hero, then you can replace Martian Manhunter with Super Skrull or something.
This works so much better
Paralells like this doesn't have to be an EXACT COPY like this is !!
Agreed even down to dc character names just kind of lazy in my opinion
@@MasterOfTheUniversebtw exactly like did he do any research on these characters? having bruce and jennifer have romantic chemistry is fucking insane
@@toot8510 nah
@@toot8510 nah
34:31 "Season 7 introduces another famous Marvel time traveler, Cable" *cuts to Donald Faison*
I don't know why that made me laugh lol
A major plot point in Season Two of Captain Marvel you forgot to mention. Before the introduction of Rhea, the main Antagonists are H.A.M.M.E.R led by Cynthia Von Doom and Brian Banner. Victorious becomes Carol's best friend in that season and everyone thinks they have more chemistry than her and Gladiator.
You should do a Marvel Animated universe structured like the DC one!
This is the worst Disney could ever do, the Marvel universe deserved better and I for one will not watch anything else Disney produces until they give us an explanation for the main villain. It is called the Hawkverse Disney, why was Norman Osborn treated like he was the main antagonist of the entire franchise despite being Spider-Man's nemesis and never directly fighting Hawkeye?! Do us all a favour and sell Marvel to do Sony already! - Honestly though, great video man you really showed how awful this universe was and why for all the problem Marvel Entertainment had, DC had it worse.
This is absolute peak. I particularly enjoyed Mobius M. Mobius's Legends of Tomorrow
I think this puts into context just how WTF and random the character choices are for the arrowverse.
To add on in the hawk verse Tony leaves New York after killing iron monger and in secret wars event an evil Tony kills Captain America.Also in the Iron Heart show Tony does get casted but he is in a dream sequence and we do get to see his suit but he does not where it.
The Closest Thing To A Marvel Arrowverse Is The Amazing Spider Man Fan4stic
And Punisher:War Zone Films
Hello Man. Another Alsume member who’s a fan of the Speyeverse I see.
@@S_123-r4s What’s Up?
@@donnae1899 nothing much I’m good. How are you?
"Swing Peter, SWING!!!"
This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!
I was actually doing this myself last week lol
My take was Devilverse
Daredevil Season 1
Daredevil Season 2
(I chose:
Guardians of the Multiverse for Legends of Tomorrow
Sentress for Supergirl
Spider-Man for the Flash)
For Crisis on Earth X i did Secret Empire
and Crisis on Infinite Earths I did Secret Wars (both fit for comic titles and have the same first word, crisis on... secret...)
and then Black Lighting was made Living Lighting.
for the classic Spider-Man I chose Nicholas Hammond who can also be uncle ben, the main spider man i chose andrew and for the time when ezra had a cameo i used tom)
Why Not Leonardo DiCaprio As Uncle Ben? He Was Almost Spider-Man
Sentress? Why have you genderbent Sentry?
@@AdamDoyle21 Sentress is actually a female sentry from the marvel comics and hes the most superman like character and if done right could be a good series
@@donnae1899 because the OG flash actor was also Henry Allen in the flash tv show and also played the flash too I would make Nicholas Hammond a spider man variant, he wouldnt even be needed that much tho since he would be 64 during the first season which sees him die - probably just be a cameo in crisis
Brilliant. If anything would attempt to tackle the clone saga it would be a Spider-Man cw show 😭
"You are not The Spider-Man"
"We are !"
😂😂😂
I feel like White Tiger would be a far better Vixen stand in
The Arrowverse:
It seemed so good when we had the DCEU to favourably compare it to.
My version
Arrow- iron man
Flash- Spider-Man
Legends of tomorrow- X-men
John Constantine- ghost rider
supergirl- Jane fosters
smallville- Thor
Black panther- black lightning
Iron heart- bat woman
Young avengers- titans
Fantastic four- doom patrol
Ms marvel- stargirl
The closest thing Marvel had to having its own DCAU is the Fox Kids Marvel Animated Universe.
Have you seen Season 2 of My Adventures With Superman?
Yes, I plan on making mid season and end of season reviews like I did with X-Men 97.
Here's how I would choose the characters.
First, as the Green Arrow equivalent, I would instead choose a Wolverine equivalent. Wolverine, Spider-Man, and the Fantastic 4, prior to the MCU, were the biggest Marvel characters of all time, and of those, Wolverine would be the easiest to do on a TV budget. However, much like how the writers wanted to use Batman in our universe, but had to settle for the Green Arrow (and change him to be more like Batman), I would do the same with a Marvel character, changing them to be more like Wolverine. Maybe Iron Fist? Want an even worse Iron Fist adaptation? Or possibly USAgent, but he's way less popular than Green Arrow.
Next, a Flash equivalent. Spider-Man massively outclasses The Flash in terms of popularity and success. He's more on par with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Instead, I feel like someone like Iron Man would be more likely (as, without the MCU, he'd be a lot less popular).
In place of Constantine, as a 1-season show that didn't quite work, I'd go with Thor. He's a great character, but I feel like it's hard to make someone like him work as a standalone Superhero TV show, especially in a more grounded universe. Both Constantine and Thor work better when surrounded by other heroes. But if not Thor, how about Ant-Man? I feel like Ant-Man and Constantine, before the MCU and Arrowverse, were at a similar level, so I could see this swap out working.. however, I think an Ant-Man TV show would be successful, unlike Constantine. Thus, Thor is the better choice if you don't want to think of how people's reactions to the shows would change the shows themselves.
As a Supergirl equivalent, it'd have to be someone adjacent to someone like Spider-Man, Wolverine, or a member of the Fantastic 4. Maybe Scarlet Spider, or X-23?
In place of DC's Legends of Tomorrow, I'd put.. uh.. Marvel's Legends of Tomorrow. It was a 100% original concept, it only makes sense to have it be the same concept here too. Cable goes back in time, to find a team of heroes to save the future, yada yada. As for the team? Well, it'd depend on which characters appear in the other previous shows (minus Supergirl equivalent show). Plus some Hawkman and Hawkgirl equivalents. If you go with Thor instead of Constantine, then Legends has Ant-Man and The Wasp. If you go with Ant-Man instead of Constantine, then Legends has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. As those are the only 2 duos in the Avengers.
Instead of Batwoman, well, just go with the other Supergirl option.
Black Lightning, Black Panther. Obvious choice.
And finally, instead of Superman and Lois.. Spider-Man and MJ.
Hulk ,wolverine adnd Spiderman were marvels biggest characters*
As a counterpart (ig that's the best way to put it), you should do a DC version of the Netflix Marvel universe.
As much as i liked this, even if i haven't watched the Arrowverse. I feel it would be more realistic for Marvel to have made a Daredevil/Arrow show where the guy would take Spider-Man/Batman lore to his story since Marvel/DC would refuse to gave the character for TV
bruce and jennifer having a short romantic connection is CRAZY considering they’re cousins
Black lion said that they are not cousins in this universe
Just an I since you put in a lot of Arrowverse related work already.
What if the Arrowverse and the DCEU were one universe?
I mean this could also apply to Titans and Doom Patrol since technically, Inhumans, Cloak and Dagger, The Netflix shows and Runaways are considered canon to the MCU its just that they don't interact that much. In a DCEU setting that would be different. Personally I'd take liberties with some elements since the idea would be the DCEU and Arrowerse were planned around the same time, like maybe saying to Zack Snyder "No don't kill of Dick Grayson we need him for a Titans TV Show" or something of Vice Versa with "Hey Arrow, can we have a more faithful version of Firefly? We're working on a Batgirl movie where he's the villain that's totally gonna come out some day".
How about a Marvel version of Smallville?
Basically just a live action Iron Man Armored Adventures.
Y Gotham que sería básicamente lo que está tratando de hacer Sony con los spinoofs de spiderman
It would probably be Spider-man before he becomes Spider-man meeting other Marvel heroes along the way.
@@suryasingh9738considering how young Spider-Man is when he gets bitten by the Spider, the show wouldn’t be able to last for as long as smallville did, maybe focus the show on a young Tony stark and they could expand on the early life of some of the future avengers
@@RealogOnlyBrodie Sure, that's not a bad idea. But I was talking about him getting bit by the spider but not becoming Spider-man till the final season.
hawkeye vs the mandarin would be a crazy match up
These videos are so entertaining! Keep it up! 💪
23:02 I can't think of a worse thing than highjacking another couple's wedding.
Ten seconds later...
"A new Hawkeye shows up who turns out to be Maya Lopez"
Damn! I never had to eat crow so fast in my life!
The weird combination of actors and plots made my brain melt! Great job, keep it up!
Ok but why replace Thea with a loose adaptation of Kate Bishop instead of with Barney Barton, Clint's actual brother that went out to become an archer vigilante on his own.
Also i would've changed Winn with Rick Mason, who had something of a relationship with Carol and is the son of the Tinkerer, who's the closer you can get to Toyman.
And why make Rick Jones Falcon when A-Bomb and Bucky are right there, i know CW didn't make Jimmy Turtle Boy or Mr. Action, but c'mon.
PS: I'm actually the orignal creator of the Scorpion render that appears for like 2 seconds in 8:02, it's John Berthal as Scorpion and made it back in 2019.
That Spider-Man twitter thread was made by me on twitter! Never expected it to get to this
bro you didnt make it
@@verosikasimp-g7 yes I did 💀
As someone who was a partcipant in the original wave of the Spider-Man Universe 5 months ago, let me say this is much better a more coherent way of going for the universe.
We had Tom Cavanagh be Loki, Goblin, Alfred (??) and also Paul at some point. So yes. This is way more coherent.
I may not agree with everything that has been chosen, but I can say that’s what makes this alternate universe fun. We can have our own versions of the tv show.
Anyways thanks for looking at this madness.
I could follow everything until right before I stopped watching the Arrowverse. After that I just have absolutely no idea what's happening, but knowing Marvel comics, none of it made any sense lmao
I second the comment that mentioned doing a video about what a smallville-type marvel show would've been like 🙏
Hope you will some day do: What if the multiverse saga had the same structure as the infinity saga
The next video will probably be “What if MCU was in format of DCAU?”
These type videos gotta be firing for his audience.
We already had something like that with the Netflix defenders (daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke cage, iron fist and the punisher)
Can you expand on your rebooted MCU chapter 1 gods and monsters idea form your What if the MCU Was As Poorly
Structured as the DCEU (such as Captain America, The Invincible Iron Man , Fury series, The Hulk series, Kraven’s last hunt, X men, and more 🙏🏽
What if the Arrowverse and the DCEU were the same universe from the beginning?
The villain of Captain Marvel season 3 should be Dark Phoenix.
Funny how back on late 2023 & early, Twitter & Instagram wete blown with CW Marvel fan arts & edits, where they put Arrow as Moon Knight & The Flash as Spider-Man
I could obviously see Grant as Spider-man, not too sure about Stephen as Moon Knight cause I don't know him too well.
You also forgot how, in secret wars part 4 when MEU Spider-Man meets hawkverse Spider-Man
True
Constantine - Dr. Strange
Arrow - Hawkeye
The Flash - Quicksilver
Supergirl - Sentress
Legends of Tommorow - some kind of show about team that Cable comes from the future and makes and they travel through time
Vixen - Squirrel Girl
Batwoman - Ironheart
Stargirl - America Chavez
Superman & Lois - Sentry & Linda
I have never seen any of your videos before, and my first impression of you, one sentence into this video, is "This guy is talking in run-on sentences."
I’d watch the crap out of this, the Arrowverse is a real soft spot for me
Not sure why Fantastic 4 is the Stargirl equivalent, they don't seem to have much to do with each other, especially since Stargirl is so Justice Society focused. I'd have gone with "Nomad" is the equivalent, Rikki Barnes, who was also a modern day distaff counterpart of a red and blue golden age hero (Bucky before changing her name alias) created in the 90s. Then you Replace Sylvester with Jack Monroe, the third Bucky/primary Nomad in the comics who's merged with traits of the original Bucky Barnes (who they can't use on the show) like how Sylvester is an amalgam of himself and the Jack Knight Starman. Then you can use Invaders equivalents for the JSA, how Rikki form with the Young Allies/Kid Commandos as the main cast and it fall pretty neatly in place.
They started this with the Defenders in 2015 well Netflix did but they should’ve never been cancelled but brought over and continued on Netflix but have a Heroes for Hire and DoTD show, and Daredevil with the ou Punisher and JJ appearances. Then build it out to Hawkeye, etc. they had the Marvelverse origins with the Netflix MCU and should’ve expanded on that
Hawkeye-green arrow
Hulk-flash
Captain carter-supergirl
Legends-legends
Banche-black lightning
Ironwoman(maya hansen)-batwoman
Jubilee-star girl
America Chavez-vixen
Other heros:
John diggle-monica Ramboa
Vibe-chang chi
Killer frost-red shehulk
Atom-antman
Rip hunter- mobius
White canary- white widow
Vixen-America chavez
hawkman-flacon
Hawkgirl-a girl version of flacon maybe sharon carter
Leader-captain cold
Heatwave-Abomination
Gambit-citezin steel
Firestorm-human torch
Shehulk-jessie quick
Ultron bot-braniac 5
Vision-martian manhunter
Xs-silk
No matter how you described that spider-man show, I would watch the shit out of it 😂
lol like how u set up the James gun version at the very end.
I love how salty yet true this entire thing is. As an arrowverse fan and fan of Legends, no one liked the arrowverse, not even the fans. The CW would not cancel shows and just dragged them on for way too long. They could have just ended the flash at season 5, but it went for 4 more seasons of nothing. Some shows were getting better, but it was far too late and the CW was made to look palatable to other companies. It was a nice thing to look forward to every day in my lonely middle and high school years.
I would definitely put AoS characters as later legends characters though. I love AoS.
I would love to see you do the Mutant Saga.