IS A HEBREW POEM HIDDEN WITHIN THE MORMON CHARACTORS?
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- A new study indicates that the "Caractors Document" contains elements that reduce the probability of it being a mere jumble of characters to nearly zero. In plain view before our eyes are some significant elements which suggest a renewed consideration of the source of the manuscript. Credentials are not required to evaluate these facts.
Dive into the intriguing mystery of the Mormon characters and discover whether a hidden Hebrew poem lies within! This video explores the fascinating theory that ancient Hebrew poetry might be encoded in the script used in the Book of Mormon. Join us as we analyze the characters, uncover linguistic connections, and delve into historical and cultural contexts. Whether you're a language enthusiast, history buff, or curious about religious texts, this video offers a captivating journey into the secrets of ancient scripts.
🔍 What You'll Learn:
The origins of the Mormon characters.
Basics of Hebrew poetry and its distinctive features.
Comparative analysis between Hebrew script and Mormon characters.
Expert insights and scholarly perspectives.
The cultural and historical significance of hidden texts.
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Please keep sharing your messages. I've been away from the church for many years. I was excommunicated in 1979 when I was about 19. I fell into deep immoral sins that I have lived with since that time. I'm 64 now. Your messages are actually penetrating my old heart. This has happened in quite a while. Your love for the Book of Mormon and the church is exhilarating. Thank you so much! May Heavenly Father bless you abundantly for your channel.
John, I am so very impressed by your comments. I've thought about it all day, at least since you wrote it. I believe there is a special place in the heart of the Lord for the person who recognizes his faults and struggles for a lifetime to overcome them. Some of the people I love the most are individuals who have gone down this path. The pain they suffer, if they are truly sincere in their desire to overcome, is excruciating and unimaginable to those who don't suffer their spiritual handicap. As a very young bishop in the 1960s it was necessary to excommunicate a young woman because of her inability to overcome a critical sin. I hope I'm not at fault for saying that a few years later when I was a bishop again in another ward and city a letter came from the president of the twelve apostles who was praying over whether it would be best at that time for her to be readmitted into membership. I noticed the poorly placed lettering on the letter (from an old non-electric typewriter) and knew it was not typed by a stenographer but by the apostle himself (who was later President of the Church). I know he wrote such private letters himself. Later came a phone call; he was struggling to do the right thing for her and her alone. He never met her but I felt his intense love for her as a struggling sinner. Critics have absolutely no idea of the love and fasting and prayer that the prophets engage in to find the Lord's answer to these kinds of needs. That ignorance and abuse is so deplorable and sad. Please take heart and know you are very, very special to God and to Christ. You have never been forgotten for an instant. God bless you.
John, there is a new video put up today but poorly titled and promoted. It is titled "What is it that is hidden within the caractors" on my channel. I think it might be helpful to some degree.
You and I are the same age. We are still young enough to change, turn to God and have a fruitful, gospel centered life!
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Thanks Bishop, I hope all who watches these videos strengthen one’s testimony of the Book of Mormon. Hope all is well, Brother Schiele.
Thank you Mark.
Excellent summary of the wonderful hidden truths found in the divinely revealed Book of Mormon scripture. This is not only faith promoting but clear evidence of God's hand in the work of His scripture. Thank you for your well-thought out explanation.🤫
Thank you for considering it. There are so many things like this. Fifty years ago I wrote out a list of 1,000 things that appeared to give credence to the Book of Mormon. At the time I assumed that some of them would fade with time and some would eventually be shown to literally be false. The list is long lost but I know of none of those factors that have diminished in significance. This is remarkable to me but not proof. The only proof comes from the Spirit of God.
@@fingerprintsoneverypage Wow! That must have been some list; although, only one thing is needed to "prove" the BOM is true, that is the witness of the Holy Ghost!
Have seen the Caractors document many times since it was put on display down at the Church Museum about a month ago! Great video!
I believe George Q Cannon had that friendly meeting with David Whitmer in the town of Richmond, Missouri rather than in Richmond, Virginia. Easy mistake to make. Very much enjoyed this presentation!
OH, my gosh, you are right. At the moment I said that something seemed wrong but it didn't register to me to think it through. Mistakes like that undermine trust in the content. My apologies.
Glad you caught that Good for you
When you add that the Caraters Document was written in Hieratic and Demotic Egyptian and Yucatecan Mayan characters, using ancient Hebrew grammar, you have a problem for those trying to prove Joseph Smith Jr. a fraud. Especially with the characters forming actual sentences about people and events in The Book Of Mormon, even though the text isn't found in our Book Of Mormon. That just means it came from the lost pages of translation, which makes it even earlier. And because it dates earlier, that puts it well before anything was published about Mayan culture and artifacts, let alone enough to use characters from a small area in Mesoamerica correctly. And now you have added an ancient Hebraic writing style that wasn't even identified until 1952 or 6, I forget the exact year, but well over a hundred years after The Book Of Mormon was first published or even revised to match the King James Version of the Bible.
Thank you for sharing that valuable information as well.
those are phoenican not demotic they copyed the Egyptians the book Mormom states they follow the tradion of there forefathers slaves in Egypt who followed moses there number 3 is again
@@rickyodom1201 Well, Jerry Grover translated them, and says he used Hieratic and Demotic Egyptian dictionaries in his free online book. And whether it was Demotic or Hieratic depended on which took up less space. So you'll have to debate that with him.
The Caractors Document does not fit the description given by Prof Anthon, so it is not likely the Anthon Transcript. However, Wade Brown's chiastic analysis is brilliant and very useful.
Right, the actual Anthon Transcript contained not only Book of Mormon characters from the plates, but also had an English translation with it, and Anthon had indicated the translation provided was correct. However, this is certainly another transcription of characters from the plates and it is quite interesting that a chiastic structure can be seen in them.
@@toddgiberson4330 Yep, and Anthon himself wrote that the transcript was vertical lines of characters with a large circle like the famous Mexican calendar of Von Humboldt.
This is an incredible find. I never took the Caractors document too seriously since it likely isn't an original copy of the characters on the plates, however even if this is a copy of a copy of a copy there is very clearly a chiastic structure that managed to get preserved!
Many of the characters in this document look similar to the original (cursive) Cherokee script. This curly, cursive script would've been pretty hard to engrave on metal plates. A lot of the scripts in southern Asia are curly because they were originally writing on palm leaves that would tear if the writing was too angular. Contrast that with the more angular Roman character set with all those serifs in stone.
If the characters really did look close to how they look in the Caractors document, then the awkwardness of Moroni's hands (Ether 12:24) would be a perfectly valid complaint. LOL. I'd get carpal tunnel myself trying to finesse those curves with a chisel. If I had to guess, the original characters probably looked more angular and even seriffed.
Linguistically the Book of Mormon is incredibly complex and with the Spirit we'll keep striking oil. I hope you don't stop uploading these finds. more reasons to love the good book. תודה רבה
Thank you for the kind comment. You are surely on the right track.
Like the saying goes, “the proof of the pudding is in the tasting”. The only proof needed for the truthfulness of Book of Mormon is found in reading and studying it. The Book of Mormon is exactly what it claims to be.
That is the bottom line of all bottom lines. Thank you.
Actually it's the proof of the Charmin is in the squeezing
Fascinating! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
There is no mention of the work of Jack Welch or Don Parry as it pertains to this topic, why? Jack Welch is the foremost scholar on chiasmus and BofM !
Thank you for pointing that out. They have both worked many years on the study of parallelism in scripture and have contributed greatly to knowledge of the subject.
I never want to take away or diminish the work and discoveries of the finest scholars.
It means that it should be seriously considered. Love that claim.
very interesting, I know a few weeks ago on the YT Channel 'Ward Radio' they had someone on that has been trying to translate this as a hobby and believes they have done so. It was an interesting video
Pretty powerful
Such inspiring information. I learned so much.
I am a little confused about the big paper you show at the beginning of the video...I saw in another publications the same copy of the ANTHON transcript that show a CIRCLE with more characters. Please clarify me. Thanks.
Wonderful question! With things as monumental as the Book of Mormon there come to be many stories and representations of what might have been or what are purported to be artifacts from the event. So it is that there are differing documents or papers claimed to be authentic, such as the Anthon transcript or Characters Document. It is therefore significant when one has within it some evidence or suggestion of identity. This is one of the points of the parallel poetry found in the document shown here which aligns with the identical type inverted parallel or chiastic poems discussed in this video. The finding of such forms seems to suggest that this is the "real thing." But it is not absolute proof in itself.
This is fascinating! Thank you.
...so why don't you send this to the Egyptologists at the University of Chicago? They are the leading research university for Egyptology. If it's really authentic, they can show it!
That is an excellent question; why haven't we sent the document to the University of Chicago? In fact, someone probably has or someone will. The problem is that the last author in the book, Moroni, explained that the language that he and others wrote in had been changed from its Egyptian source. (Mormon 9:32) There would surely be some trace elements but it might not be that easy. Some students of Egyptian languages have worked on translation of the document but I don't believe there has yet been a concensus in their interpretations. Good thought!
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your knowledge 😁
Beautiful testimony in the end.
Very interesting information. I really appreciate your research. However I want point something out that you night find interesting, or perhaps you may want to show me where I am wrong. I have come to realize that virtually all prophecies have a dual fulfillment.
One is a vague, shadow fulfillment that may not be completely congruent with the prophecy although some of the elements are quite similar.
The second fulfillment is the literal fulfillment which matches up perfectly with the prophecy.
I would suggest to you that the event with Martin Harris and Professor Anton was only a shadow fulfillment of the "sealed book" prophecy.
First of all, the "Marvelous Work" which is referenced by name in about 14 different passages in the Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants did not take place during Joseph Smiths ministry in the 1800's. It is still a future event. I am sure you are very well aware of that and also ware of how problematic the storyline is in 2nd Nephi 27 relative to past events.
Thank you for your comment. I don't know. It seems as though there are multiple meanings and depths of meanings within many scriptural passages. Right now so many come to mind. And sadly, we are readers and believers end up debating the "correct" meaning as we see it. Again, passage after passage flashes in my mind but in many I just don't know enough to say with any authority. I find it best to keep my mouth unopened and wait for the answer.
I had always thought
King kinda winged it this suggests he prepared his talk just like we do today
Isn't that an interesting thought! His words, often criticized, were more well thought out than ours, I suspect.
Latter-Day Watch UA-cam channel wants to do a collab with others on May 1st about Christ’s Grace. You could focus on the Book of Mormon.Please pass it on to others. Correct the Evangelists misdirections about our beliefs. Thanks!
Just look to the word "atonement" in the Book of Mormon. No other literature matches or exceeds the illumination of grace/atonement/mercy demonstrated in this record.
Please keep sharing
The Jerry Grover Caractors translation is pretty comprehensive and convincing. Give it a shot
I've recently reviewed his work more thoroughly and appreciate the intensive study he has done. Far beyond any capacity I have in relation to translation. So I have no judgement as to it but sure do respect his devotion and conviction. Amazing dedication!
Amen.
This is NOT the Anthon document.
Matt, I don't know who wrote it or how it came to be. I wouldn't risk my life on it. I personally don't have confidence in Professor Anthon's description of the document because of his general attitude concerning Joseph Smith, the restoration or his meeting with Martin Harris. His memory of it or the transmission of his memory is questionable, even suspect, to me. Had he seen representations of the Egyptian symbols pertaining to the Book of Abraham? It seems to be associated with Joseph Smith and has symbols on it that are odd to us but found in advertisements used to promote the sale of the first edition of the Book of Mormon. It also seems to have repetition of symbols which are characteristic of Hebrew parallelism. Do you think it might be the fraudulent work of anti-Mormonism to disrupt the work, or the idle scribbling of some believing person during the life of the prophet? Or could it be the work of an early saint who felt inspired to duplicate the real document? It has to be someone's creation and have some purpose. I am open to your thoughts and I respect your viewpoint. What do you feel it might be?
I would like to see what information you gave the two statisticians so that they could come to their conclusions.
That is the first question I would ask myself. If you send me an email (cwadebrown2024@gmail.com) I will try to send you a copy of the data given the statisticians. Thanks for the question.
@@fingerprintsoneverypage Thanks! I sent you an email.
I understand this “caractors” document was composed by John Whitmer from memory soon after viewing the gold plates as one of the eight witnesses of the plates. I believe it was David Whitmer who attested to that a number of times.
It’s possible it was Christian or Jacob Whitmer, also witnesses of the plates, who created the document. My memory may be faulty on which Whitmer did it.
I don't know how we can know for sure, given the variation in their various accounts, In every day life a chance observation can become solid rock authority yet be a "mis-thought". So difficult to authenticate memories of day to day events--at least for me. I'm often wrong in a place or time recollection. I just don't know.
Interested in your book God-inspired message of the Book of Mormon. Does it use the 1981 text? Does it have verification? I would like to see a video on this book too.
Robert, yes it does, basically. Verification? What do you mean, peer reviewed or academically approved? A few years after the book was published a very fine scholar published his text on the same subject and his book has become the standard. I've thought about a video on the subject because I've spent years advancing my own thoughts. Don't plan to ever publish it but it might be interesting to show parts if anyone is interested. It isn't approached as traditional stone cut cold word parallels but strangely, as almost a music form. For me creates a beautifully fluid melodic experience rather than a series of unattached mechanical blocks and borders. That idea would ruin it for everyone to consider but I finally realized that personally it is not just a traditional academic series of diagrams and numbers. For me it is a "Divine Symphony in Words." The patterns and rhythms ring in my ears. In reading the text I sometimes feel as though I am back in a violin section playing classic music. I love to see and hear and feel the patterns, the rhythms, the melodies, the points and counter points. I think and hope it has an eternal element to it. Hope I haven't said too much.
0:03 thank you for your reply. By versification I meant the LDS chapters and verses marked on the pages. I found your book sold online it has pictures of a couple of pages and I see the verses are on the running headers on each page. This book looks amazing with a lot of love and beauty. I so appreciate your reply and it is apparent just how much work has gone into such a wonderful book. Thanks again for your videos ❤
I know it’s true😁❤️
That is the simpliest, most eloquent response a person can give.
Looks similar to old 'Vinka' scrip in eastern Europe. a very old script.
Isn't that interesting!
Is river stone divination approved by YHWH and YHWH Junior? Look up Scottish river stones per kg, you might be able to find some nice ones, they have a few on the page. I don't know who put one down that well JS claimed he got it from, but I suspect they were Scottish. Maybe that's how they thought they could make it a wishing well.
But what does it mean?
I don't know! But to think Moroni or Mormon or another ancient Nephite prophet inscribed in on a metal plates puts chills in y spine.
This is a false religion.
Mr. Price, I appreciate your thought and comment on the subject. I'm also thankful to live in a country where we can hold our religions to be important and vital to our lives. May God bless you in your dedication to HIm.