I’ve assumed that the trolls turn to stone because they are a perversion of the ent form. Sun gives life to ents but has the opposite effect to trolls.
They were kept alive by the will of Morgoth. The light of Eru Illuvatar which is present in the sun, and the light of the Eldar, brings order to that chaos and strips it of the powers of Melkath. This works great on evil creatures of Morgoth, and fairly well against the spawn of Ungoliant such as Shelob and the spiders of Mirkwood.
The Silmarillion explains it. They're creatures of the twilight, before the sun existed. Beasts that were corrupted into man-like shapes in mockery of the ents. They can't stand the sunlight because it is unnatural to them, so they turn to stone. ALL the troll types react this way to sunlight. The only exception are the Olog-Hai, the special breed of troll that Sauron bred for the war effort. Their skin hardens in sunlight, but they scan withstand it. One might ask why elves and the other creatures who existed first in the twilight don't react this way, but I think the reason is "because they're not corrupted." Orcs don't like sunlight, either... but being closer to man than beast (they're corrupted elves), they are able to withstand it. By that argument... it's likely the Olog-Hai are bred with either orcs or humans (or something else) to increase their resistance.
I don't think Melkor made Trolls literally from stone, because it is said explicitly on several occasions that only Eru can create life. So Melkor could only corrupt. I don't think that stone could be corrupted into moving, biting and talking on it's own :) When Aule made dwarves, I think he just made their bodies, shells. It was Eru who gave them life. According to half-trolls I think that these were just really savage men with unusual stature. Name was colloquial. It maybe was given to them by westeners when they saw them out of the blue on the battleside. For me, there is no ultimate form of troll. I like their variety, not only in Tolkien works, but also in Scandinavian folklore. I also consider cats as one of troll forms :P They like to troll everyone else
In _The Hobbit_ Gandalf explicitly stated 'If sunlight touches trolls they turn back into the stuff of mountains they originally were made of'. Something like that, I only have a German copy at hand. I presume Tolkien wrote this before working out his mythology in regards that only Eru was able to create life and simply didn't thought about this at that time. Also, the whole scenario with the trolls contradicts what he wrote in Appendix F of LotR wherein he explains trolls were only capable of language like beasts, but those had quite a conversation with each other and Bilbo. Probably Tolkien would have re-written this chapter completely in his planed revision of _The Hobbit_ to fit it into his lore.
Question: Are you sure that the Olog Hai and those hill trolls present in Morannon aren't the same? The way that they were describe kinda brings some similarity: being capable of enduring the sun, wielding huge hammers and the same kind of ferocity..
I feel pretty strongly that the hill trolls and mountain trolls are Olog Hai. Probably the same breed. I honestly think that the names of most trolls have more to do with where they live, rather than notable differences.
I’m a bit confused, but it might just be something I need to look into more closely. I always believed that Tom, Bert and William were Mountain Trolls, and that when they are referred to as Stone Trolls, it was literally because they were at that time stone statues in the shapes of trolls, and not because that was their species. I’ll definitely be looking into it a bit closer. But other than that, wonderful video.
I always wondered what were the trolls that opened the black gate in the movie? Their size always baffled me because they appeared to be much larger than any other trolls we see in the movie. From this video I would assume they were mountain trolls. The same goes for some of the trolls we see in the Hobbit movie, some of them also were massive.
Well in relativity to size. The hobbit was about dwarves and and a hobbit. Both smaller in height. So making trolls "look" much bigger, by comparison. Compared to Men, orcs ect... What about the giant elephants compared to trolls. Troll not so big now are trolls my precious.
Who doesn't love a Troll, they are truly lovable and stand against those hippies, like Fangorn with his unregulated beard, no one considers how they are just working to earn enough money to send home to their family.
I think the idea of trolls being originally made from stone would fit nicely with the remark from Treebeard about how the ents can easily break stone like tree roots and that trolls are just discount ents. Otherwise great video!
I would love to see a video or hear your thoughts on the different habitats of creatures from middle earth. How do orcs/goblins behave when there’s nothing else to do? What does day to day life look like? What do goblin dwellings in Moria look like? Im sure that type of information is very specific but it would be fun to speculate. I’d like to see a detailed look inside of Minas Morgul or Barad Dur. I’ve always wanted an artist to draw a cross section of such a habitat and describe it.
Awesome video! I had a question for you lore nerds out there: what species were the trolls in the battle of five armies movie? The ones that are summoned to push over the dwarven “vehicles”. They had clubs but weren’t really well armored. Not even sure they were trolls at all - but they def were not orcs! Thanks! 💕
They're not trolls at all, that's true. They are actually ogres, a race with very little lore overall and to my knowledge never really appeared in Tolkien's writings outside of his early writings and Bilbo thinking of monsters during Riddles in the Dark. Their appearance is loosely based on how ogres are depicted in Lord of the Rings online.
The cave Troll in Moria was pretty much a handful to say the least, considering how many blows and arrows it took to bring it down. However The inrushing Troll's at Minas Tirith were the only one's scary enough to make me Soil my Amour 😳
"stand your ground" ya okay bud, imma head out. But in all seriousness. The amount of pure fear the soldiers of minas tirith would have felt is palpable
I want to know how Sauron fed his armies, how the elves fed their people, the dwarves and men How the economy worked for each of the races of middle earth, there’s not much to go off however a great video could be made in this regard none the less 🙏🏽
The lands of Núrn in southern Mordor were actually rather fertile and had vast farmlands toiled by human slaves. These provide Sauron with enough grain to feed his massive armies. Orcs presumably also do a lot of scavenging and eat pretty much anything they come across.
In Deep Geek has made numerous videos regarding all of the economies of the folk of Middle Earth, from Sauron, to the different Elves & even the Hobbits.
Worth pointing out for the cave troll; Gandalf may have just known it was a cave troll because they were underground. Doesn't necessarily mean it has obvious features.
The Olog Hai remind me of the conversation between Aule and Eru regarding the creation of dwarves. In that they would only be alive so long as their masters will was upon them but have no will of their own, unless given by Eru.
I'm an Olog-hai guy, especially the Middle Earth: Shadow of War version, even if it is non-cannon. When you got guys like Bruz the Chopper and Ar-Kaius the Architect, you really wish they were canon.
Have you guys thought about diving deeper into the lore behind Beren and Luthien? I just finished reading the book and watching the story progress over multiple revisions really made me appreciate the amount of Revisions Tolkien went through (and how even his rough drafts were amazing). You could even touch upon the non canonical lord of cats if you wanted!
I'm not convinced that Half-trolls actually existed within Tolkien's legendarium. We have his reference to Southron warriors as "men like half-trolls", and the later reference to troll-men seems to be a callback to that. But the Ultimate Troll? Sauron seems to have intended his Olog-hai to match that description.
Gandalf's quick acknowledgement that it was a Cave Troll (around 4:00 in the video) may have simply been due to the fact that it was found in a cave and when you're about to have a troll beating on you there is not really any significant difference (at least as would be important at the time) between the types and that was not the time or place to argue over the precise identification. Shoot first and identify the troll later sort of deal.
Regarding your question 'are trolls originally made from stone', I think the quote by Treebeard hints that they are. "We are stronger than Trolls [...] We can split stone like the roots of tree.' This can be read as Ents can break stone => for this reason they are able to defeat trolls => Ents can break trolls => Trolls = Stones).
The "magic" leaving the stone trolls thing you said made me think about how the sun was made to replace the light of the trees and how Gandolf was a defender of the light and Morgoth is always associated with darkness, so the light would cure the darkness or something... I think you see where I'm trying to go with this.
Are the gundabad stone trolls that were seen in the battle of the five armies canon? Because as it seemed they could endure the sunlight which wouldn't make sense because as you said the stone troll would turn back to stone when the sunlight would shine upon them.
A rousing round of bravo... quite. Some of your competition lacks the proper giving credit for the artistic b/g-s. That's kind of a must even if copyright laws like the DMCA here in the U.S. allow a fair-use standard centered around minimal use. It's the just the right thing to do to give credit for others' work, even if displayed for only 5 seconds. That's how I did it, years ago albeit. That's the format compliment. As far as content, I like your take on the subject. One almost feels sorry for the Cave Troll dying alone N The Fellowship, almost. They lack the capacity for reciprocity, mostly.
I personally think that some of the Ologs survived the fall of the Great crash. Living in the Ash mountains around Mordor. Maybe men had some story's of having to fight them in the 4th age? We will never know.
Great video!! All trolls but the Olog-hai turn to stone in the sunlight. Tolkien quite clearly says so (and you even mention it in this video). The original trolls were all made out of stone. That is also quite clearly stated (I think in the Silmarillion as well as in the Lord of the Rings). The Olog-hai were analogous to the Uruk-hai for the orcs. The stone trolls in the Hobbit are Cockneys: at least they sound like Cockneys in the book (and I think in the film) though I know Tolkien hated analogies and that obviously he did not intend for them to be Cockneys.
"Where there's a whip, there's a way" lol...as a kid I remember seeing a LOTR cartoon with some good songs "Frodo of the nine fingers and the ring of doom......ahhhhhh good olde days Lol...sorry, needed to get that out 😉
I always thought it would be awesome to have an intelligent, peaceful variant of the Skyrim troll. A small tribe that lives in the wilds, perhaps. Still primitive and ruled by superstition, but ultimately kind and helpful.
Fantastic video! I think perhaps doing heavy lifting isn’t necessarily a sign they are more stupid - after all, you need to give quite specific instructions to them. Whereas in combat, a more stupid troll can just be unleashed on the enemy.
They could have been partially made from stone (because who knows how trolls are actually made) but it would have had to have been a merging with another living creature as Melkor did not posses the ability to create life, only corrupt it. Fun video.
A hypothesis regarding the origins of Trolls. Could Trolls be creations originally made by Morgoth from the corrupted essences of slain Ents bound to either Dark Lord, and possibly to Saruman as well? The process to do so, plus any physical breed improvements devised by Morgoth passed to Sauron, and possibly from Sauron to Saruman. These corrupted Ent spirits could go back to spawning pits in Angband at first, Barad-Dur later, or possibly also to Eisengard later to be reborn and to deny them escape to the Halls of Mandos. Half Trolls could just be a Troll analog to the Half-Orc.
Could you speak to Ettins, the two-headed race of giants in Dungeons and Dragons and other fantasy IP and how they relate to the two-headed trolls referenced in this video. Tolkien gives the name Ettenmoor to a little explored region. Lewis uses the name Ettinsmoor in the Silver Chair. I'm interested in not only the etymology of the term Ettin but the parallel think or direct inspiration one author drew from the other. Or perhaps both others found inspiration in an outside source?
Stone trolls and ents both described as made of the stuff of the earth, stone trolls being a mockery of ents: stone trolls turn back into plain rock under sunlight, but of course, ents are _trees,_ and it's the sunlight that grows them and gives them light. As always, it's meant to be about opposites. (Probably just as a convenience for Tolkien, since I bet he'd written about the trolls turning to stone well before he was thinking of ents as some opposite abomination version.)
Best kind of troll...I'm kind of fond of the Llort that Games Workshop made for 1st edition AD&D...it is a Troll with the traits of a Nilbog Goblin, but still the regeneration of a D&D Troll. So, it's fairly cowardly until you heal it (doing damage to it). This results in the regeneration slowly starting to kill it, so it desperately tries to get you to attack it to regain hit points.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Idk, the modern internet troll has been known to destroy man’s spirit and bewitch their mind so that they take their own life, merely through words. A powerful sorcery indeed
I said something similar in reply to a other comment... In the hobbit, it's a hobbit and dwarves. In comparison dwarves + Hobbits are shorter small beings already compared to Men, orcs, ect... So trolls would appear much larger. Like a mouse to a cat. Put a troll next to the Giant Elephants. Trolls not so big anymore. Size relativity matters... Almost makes orcs to goblins, like man to hobbit.
What about the giants in Middle-Earth? Like those seen in the first Hobbit movie just before Thorin's company was captured by the Goblins? The stone giants that had a thunder battle?
There seems to be a lack of definition regarding size, most illustrations portray them as many times larger then men and yet in the description of hill trolls they are said to bite the throats of the men that they kill, clearly to do this the mouth would have to fit between the head and torso of a man and therefore limit their maximum size other then this you are left to make it up as you go along.
I’ve assumed that the trolls turn to stone because they are a perversion of the ent form. Sun gives life to ents but has the opposite effect to trolls.
They were kept alive by the will of Morgoth. The light of Eru Illuvatar which is present in the sun, and the light of the Eldar, brings order to that chaos and strips it of the powers of Melkath. This works great on evil creatures of Morgoth, and fairly well against the spawn of Ungoliant such as Shelob and the spiders of Mirkwood.
The Silmarillion explains it. They're creatures of the twilight, before the sun existed. Beasts that were corrupted into man-like shapes in mockery of the ents. They can't stand the sunlight because it is unnatural to them, so they turn to stone.
ALL the troll types react this way to sunlight. The only exception are the Olog-Hai, the special breed of troll that Sauron bred for the war effort. Their skin hardens in sunlight, but they scan withstand it.
One might ask why elves and the other creatures who existed first in the twilight don't react this way, but I think the reason is "because they're not corrupted." Orcs don't like sunlight, either... but being closer to man than beast (they're corrupted elves), they are able to withstand it.
By that argument... it's likely the Olog-Hai are bred with either orcs or humans (or something else) to increase their resistance.
@@Swiftbow weren't ologs confirmed to be orc/troll halfbreeds
@@MisanthropicOcellus I think so, yeah. Though Tolkien often said things like "probably came from" in the appendices.
I don't think Melkor made Trolls literally from stone, because it is said explicitly on several occasions that only Eru can create life. So Melkor could only corrupt. I don't think that stone could be corrupted into moving, biting and talking on it's own :) When Aule made dwarves, I think he just made their bodies, shells. It was Eru who gave them life.
According to half-trolls I think that these were just really savage men with unusual stature. Name was colloquial. It maybe was given to them by westeners when they saw them out of the blue on the battleside.
For me, there is no ultimate form of troll. I like their variety, not only in Tolkien works, but also in Scandinavian folklore. I also consider cats as one of troll forms :P They like to troll everyone else
Yeah evil cannot create in tolkiens world only corrupt. Youre correct about Aule toi
Both Melkor and Aule could put their thought in such beings, an auto-life.
yes but the olog hai wandering witless after sauron was destroyed sort of brings to mind of gulloms
If I remember the simirillion correctly, forgive my atrocious spelling please , but anywho, if I remember right meliorate corrupted ents
In _The Hobbit_ Gandalf explicitly stated 'If sunlight touches trolls they turn back into the stuff of mountains they originally were made of'. Something like that, I only have a German copy at hand. I presume Tolkien wrote this before working out his mythology in regards that only Eru was able to create life and simply didn't thought about this at that time.
Also, the whole scenario with the trolls contradicts what he wrote in Appendix F of LotR wherein he explains trolls were only capable of language like beasts, but those had quite a conversation with each other and Bilbo.
Probably Tolkien would have re-written this chapter completely in his planed revision of _The Hobbit_ to fit it into his lore.
That depiction of Morgoth is imo the best and most frightening of all! A great art work!
Question: Are you sure that the Olog Hai and those hill trolls present in Morannon aren't the same? The way that they were describe kinda brings some similarity: being capable of enduring the sun, wielding huge hammers and the same kind of ferocity..
I feel pretty strongly that the hill trolls and mountain trolls are Olog Hai. Probably the same breed. I honestly think that the names of most trolls have more to do with where they live, rather than notable differences.
They would be Olog-Hai. Only the Olog-Hai can withstand sunlight.
I’m a bit confused, but it might just be something I need to look into more closely. I always believed that Tom, Bert and William were Mountain Trolls, and that when they are referred to as Stone Trolls, it was literally because they were at that time stone statues in the shapes of trolls, and not because that was their species. I’ll definitely be looking into it a bit closer. But other than that, wonderful video.
In the fandom wiki they are referred to as _Hill Trolls._ Can't confirm it with a quote from the source texts though.
I believe you're right, because all trolls (except the Olog-Hai) turn to stone when exposed to direct sunlight.
Mountain trolls are HUGE
that Morgoth portrait at the beginning of the video looks so perfect and evil, could definitely see a version like this in a Silmarils inspired game
I always wondered what were the trolls that opened the black gate in the movie? Their size always baffled me because they appeared to be much larger than any other trolls we see in the movie. From this video I would assume they were mountain trolls. The same goes for some of the trolls we see in the Hobbit movie, some of them also were massive.
Basketball Trolls. 😀
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Some of my best friends are....
@@MrTrenttness that makes way too much sense...
Well in relativity to size. The hobbit was about dwarves and and a hobbit. Both smaller in height. So making trolls "look" much bigger, by comparison. Compared to Men, orcs ect... What about the giant elephants compared to trolls. Troll not so big now are trolls my precious.
Who doesn't love a Troll, they are truly lovable and stand against those hippies, like Fangorn with his unregulated beard, no one considers how they are just working to earn enough money to send home to their family.
😂😂
Unregulated beard 🤣🤣🤣
I think the idea of trolls being originally made from stone would fit nicely with the remark from Treebeard about how the ents can easily break stone like tree roots and that trolls are just discount ents. Otherwise great video!
I would love to see a video or hear your thoughts on the different habitats of creatures from middle earth. How do orcs/goblins behave when there’s nothing else to do? What does day to day life look like? What do goblin dwellings in Moria look like? Im sure that type of information is very specific but it would be fun to speculate. I’d like to see a detailed look inside of Minas Morgul or Barad Dur. I’ve always wanted an artist to draw a cross section of such a habitat and describe it.
I liked how WIlliam could feel some sense of pity for "the poor blighter" (Bilbo) even if it was because he was already full.
I personally like your theory of Stone Trolls. It makes perfect sense.
Awesome video! I had a question for you lore nerds out there: what species were the trolls in the battle of five armies movie? The ones that are summoned to push over the dwarven “vehicles”. They had clubs but weren’t really well armored.
Not even sure they were trolls at all - but they def were not orcs! Thanks! 💕
They're not trolls at all, that's true. They are actually ogres, a race with very little lore overall and to my knowledge never really appeared in Tolkien's writings outside of his early writings and Bilbo thinking of monsters during Riddles in the Dark. Their appearance is loosely based on how ogres are depicted in Lord of the Rings online.
@@DominionSorcerer tysm for the information! makes a lot of sense!
The cave Troll in Moria was pretty much a handful to say the least, considering how many blows and arrows it took to bring it down. However The inrushing Troll's at Minas Tirith were the only one's scary enough to make me Soil my Amour 😳
"stand your ground" ya okay bud, imma head out.
But in all seriousness. The amount of pure fear the soldiers of minas tirith would have felt is palpable
@@LogenNineFingers43 to their credit Gondor's soldiers at least stood their ground when those things charged in.
I want to know how Sauron fed his armies, how the elves fed their people, the dwarves and men
How the economy worked for each of the races of middle earth, there’s not much to go off however a great video could be made in this regard none the less 🙏🏽
The lands of Núrn in southern Mordor were actually rather fertile and had vast farmlands toiled by human slaves. These provide Sauron with enough grain to feed his massive armies.
Orcs presumably also do a lot of scavenging and eat pretty much anything they come across.
They drank a lot of brog!! A type of drink the orcs drink
Grog, not brog. Its just a type of hard liqueur.
In Deep Geek has made numerous videos regarding all of the economies of the folk of Middle Earth, from Sauron, to the different Elves & even the Hobbits.
Worth pointing out for the cave troll; Gandalf may have just known it was a cave troll because they were underground. Doesn't necessarily mean it has obvious features.
Thank you so much for using my Troll on your video! Aweome!
The Olog Hai remind me of the conversation between Aule and Eru regarding the creation of dwarves. In that they would only be alive so long as their masters will was upon them but have no will of their own, unless given by Eru.
Exactly, that is why after Sauron is defeated his creatures run mindless.
I'm an Olog-hai guy, especially the Middle Earth: Shadow of War version, even if it is non-cannon.
When you got guys like Bruz the Chopper and Ar-Kaius the Architect, you really wish they were canon.
modern internet trolls are the most numerous troll army at the moment.
Have you guys thought about diving deeper into the lore behind Beren and Luthien? I just finished reading the book and watching the story progress over multiple revisions really made me appreciate the amount of Revisions Tolkien went through (and how even his rough drafts were amazing). You could even touch upon the non canonical lord of cats if you wanted!
*Tolkien Untangled* has started a series about Beren and Luthien. They already published four videos about them.
The ultimate troll? Hmm i think stone-trolls!! named "Tom", "Bert", and "William of course 😄🧙♂️✨✨✨
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK MELLON...Trolls are stinky, and apparently all of them came from Bethnal Green in London..lol
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@@TheBrokenSword You what??!!
I'm not convinced that Half-trolls actually existed within Tolkien's legendarium. We have his reference to Southron warriors as "men like half-trolls", and the later reference to troll-men seems to be a callback to that.
But the Ultimate Troll? Sauron seems to have intended his Olog-hai to match that description.
The art in this video is great the animated style in the beginning is my favorite
Ps the cave troll s r my favorites
It’s awesome art isn’t it!!
@@TheBrokenSword yes It is!
Just binging all your videos and bam, released 2 minutes ago. :) Nice. TROLLS!
You are welcome 😂😂
The Olog hai are my favorite
Gandalf's quick acknowledgement that it was a Cave Troll (around 4:00 in the video) may have simply been due to the fact that it was found in a cave and when you're about to have a troll beating on you there is not really any significant difference (at least as would be important at the time) between the types and that was not the time or place to argue over the precise identification. Shoot first and identify the troll later sort of deal.
thanks for this video, asked for it a week ago or so go, wasnt disappointed XD
Regarding your question 'are trolls originally made from stone', I think the quote by Treebeard hints that they are. "We are stronger than Trolls [...] We can split stone like the roots of tree.' This can be read as Ents can break stone => for this reason they are able to defeat trolls => Ents can break trolls => Trolls = Stones).
Very impressive. I'm confident with knowledge of the 8 varieties. Reckon snow trolls take the cake.
The "magic" leaving the stone trolls thing you said made me think about how the sun was made to replace the light of the trees and how Gandolf was a defender of the light and Morgoth is always associated with darkness, so the light would cure the darkness or something... I think you see where I'm trying to go with this.
The internet Troll the wisest of all Trolls, and only wish to spread chaos with statements they themselves don't believe.
Are the gundabad stone trolls that were seen in the battle of the five armies canon? Because as it seemed they could endure the sunlight which wouldn't make sense because as you said the stone troll would turn back to stone when the sunlight would shine upon them.
Those were confirmed to be Ogres.
I thought they were ogres, not trolls but something else
loved the vid James for trolls are some of my favourite evil creatures in Middle - Earth
Thank you!
your more than welcome James
Funny how you make ''Hill-Trolls'' sound as ''Hell-Trolls''
A rousing round of bravo... quite. Some of your competition lacks the proper giving credit for the artistic b/g-s. That's kind of a must even if copyright laws like the DMCA here in the U.S. allow a fair-use standard centered around minimal use. It's the just the right thing to do to give credit for others' work, even if displayed for only 5 seconds. That's how I did it, years ago albeit.
That's the format compliment. As far as content, I like your take on the subject. One almost feels sorry for the Cave Troll dying alone N The Fellowship, almost. They lack the capacity for reciprocity, mostly.
I personally think that some of the Ologs survived the fall of the Great crash. Living in the Ash mountains around Mordor. Maybe men had some story's of having to fight them in the 4th age? We will never know.
The last troll the olog-hai those are the ones from the shadow of war game right?
Great video!! All trolls but the Olog-hai turn to stone in the sunlight. Tolkien quite clearly says so (and you even mention it in this video). The original trolls were all made out of stone. That is also quite clearly stated (I think in the Silmarillion as well as in the Lord of the Rings). The Olog-hai were analogous to the Uruk-hai for the orcs. The stone trolls in the Hobbit are Cockneys: at least they sound like Cockneys in the book (and I think in the film) though I know Tolkien hated analogies and that obviously he did not intend for them to be Cockneys.
A topic I've always known little about should be a good watch
Bruz The Chopper was a Olog-Hai. Lol.
I believe the reason Gandalf thought it was a cave troll, was because of the caves. Food for thought.
Dunno..that Olog-Hai that fled the battle against Aragon certainly seemed smart to me when Sauron fell!
"Where there's a whip, there's a way" lol...as a kid I remember seeing a LOTR cartoon with some good songs "Frodo of the nine fingers and the ring of doom......ahhhhhh good olde days Lol...sorry, needed to get that out 😉
🤣🤣 I loved Gandalf’s “Oh Shit” face 🤣🤣🤣
All the wonderful Troll lollo-lololo loh ha ha ha hahahaha ha.
I’ve needed this video my entire life. Always been a question on my mind 🤷♂️
When i first read the description of a cave troll i just thought ...sounds like a mini godzilla like creature
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim trolls are the best. They come across as acting like irate gorillas and therefore makes the immersion more feasible.
I always thought it would be awesome to have an intelligent, peaceful variant of the Skyrim troll. A small tribe that lives in the wilds, perhaps. Still primitive and ruled by superstition, but ultimately kind and helpful.
Awesome as usual!
Thank you 😁
Do you think that any of them could be the same; like the way Tolkien refers to goblins in the Hobbit then orcs in the LOTR?
Some of them turn to stone in sunlight, some are not. So I don't believe the can be the same.
Fantastic video! I think perhaps doing heavy lifting isn’t necessarily a sign they are more stupid - after all, you need to give quite specific instructions to them. Whereas in combat, a more stupid troll can just be unleashed on the enemy.
You should do a video on the rock giants! I'm not sure if they are in the books or not, I just know them from the Hobbit movies
What Type of Troll was the Lonely Troll that fed Perry-the-Winkle cramsome bread. It was also a nice Troll.
Awesome as always guys
In a troll battle royal, which one would come out ontop? Olog'hai?
Internet troll for the win!
Probably
If trolls are a mockery of ents created by morgoth, maybe trolls are the entwifes... ;)
Is there such trolls known as forest trolls
They could have been partially made from stone (because who knows how trolls are actually made) but it would have had to have been a merging with another living creature as Melkor did not posses the ability to create life, only corrupt it. Fun video.
No, Melkor could no create spirits.
The Valar made the animals and plants, Yavanna did often.
great topic, looking forward to watching it
A hypothesis regarding the origins of Trolls. Could Trolls be creations originally made by Morgoth from the corrupted essences of slain Ents bound to either Dark Lord, and possibly to Saruman as well? The process to do so, plus any physical breed improvements devised by Morgoth passed to Sauron, and possibly from Sauron to Saruman. These corrupted Ent spirits could go back to spawning pits in Angband at first, Barad-Dur later, or possibly also to Eisengard later to be reborn and to deny them escape to the Halls of Mandos. Half Trolls could just be a Troll analog to the Half-Orc.
You mentioned the internet troll at the very end… that was the one I was going to mention but you stole my thunder…
Same with me
Could you speak to Ettins, the two-headed race of giants in Dungeons and Dragons and other fantasy IP and how they relate to the two-headed trolls referenced in this video. Tolkien gives the name Ettenmoor to a little explored region. Lewis uses the name Ettinsmoor in the Silver Chair. I'm interested in not only the etymology of the term Ettin but the parallel think or direct inspiration one author drew from the other. Or perhaps both others found inspiration in an outside source?
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Stone trolls and ents both described as made of the stuff of the earth, stone trolls being a mockery of ents: stone trolls turn back into plain rock under sunlight, but of course, ents are _trees,_ and it's the sunlight that grows them and gives them light.
As always, it's meant to be about opposites.
(Probably just as a convenience for Tolkien, since I bet he'd written about the trolls turning to stone well before he was thinking of ents as some opposite abomination version.)
Best kind of troll...I'm kind of fond of the Llort that Games Workshop made for 1st edition AD&D...it is a Troll with the traits of a Nilbog Goblin, but still the regeneration of a D&D Troll. So, it's fairly cowardly until you heal it (doing damage to it). This results in the regeneration slowly starting to kill it, so it desperately tries to get you to attack it to regain hit points.
you make great vids btw
Which is the worst kind of troll? The one you feed.
I need an explanation of the troll with the talking purse.
Sounds interesting
Skankhunt42 is the most diabolical troll!
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Someday on some channel this may appear on UA-cam.
Bake me a cake worthy of Mordor!
The troll drawn by Marlon Piloni at 6:32 looks an awful lot like Shadow of War tbh
You gotta pay the troll toll
I had to read this title a few times not gonna lie diffrent types off trolls sorry what oh middle earth lotr trolls bot internet ones lmfao
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I can't help thinking that my M14 would have 20 round Box Mag And a 1000 rounds would do Quite nicely for anything and anyone that came around.
The internet troll, obviously xD!
Of course 😂
I always like this Tolkien and PJ version of trolls
You had to do it... show Boromir. Too soon :( RIP Boromir. Son of Gondor
Never thought of anime depicting Tolkien's work. Though I don't really watch anime anymore, that could be awesome and worth a look.🙂
What are those trolls called in the hobbit that are super duper mega large? They are much bigger than cave trolls and stone trolls...
Good show
Olog wandered witless after there master was destroyed
Idk, the modern internet troll has been known to destroy man’s spirit and bewitch their mind so that they take their own life, merely through words. A powerful sorcery indeed
I feel sorry for your cousin.
I said something similar in reply to a other comment... In the hobbit, it's a hobbit and dwarves. In comparison dwarves + Hobbits are shorter small beings already compared to Men, orcs, ect... So trolls would appear much larger. Like a mouse to a cat. Put a troll next to the Giant Elephants. Trolls not so big anymore. Size relativity matters... Almost makes orcs to goblins, like man to hobbit.
The black men of Far Harad are described as being "like half-trolls", not that they were half-trolls.
What about the giants in Middle-Earth? Like those seen in the first Hobbit movie just before Thorin's company was captured by the Goblins? The stone giants that had a thunder battle?
we need a war in the east film! need more dwarf battles!
The robin's ear troll!
That flaming troll from one of the old Xbox games was pretty cool
Gandalf: Stand your ground!!
Trolls burst through door
G: oh shit!!
Thanks for the video very interesting as there isn't much troll lore in the lord of the rings world
You should be worried about Rings of Power turning LotR into another Last Jedi/Rise of Skywalker... That IS the most likely outcome...
Wish we could've seen the Half-trolls and the Olog-Hai in the movies.
In The Hobbit TBOFA you have the olog-hai with the orc armies ready to take on the last of Iroonfoot's forces in front of the mountain
Love trolls
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Yes!
There seems to be a lack of definition regarding size, most illustrations portray them as many times larger then men and yet in the description of hill trolls they are said to bite the throats of the men that they kill, clearly to do this the mouth would have to fit between the head and torso of a man and therefore limit their maximum size other then this you are left to make it up as you go along.
Amazing video
Well, you have a Cave Troll...
What type of troll are the trolls in battle of the five armies,I mean the big one with. those blades on his hands