I loved the character of Azog The Defiler. The idea of an intelligent henchman. The character design is great. And lets not forget Manu, who is a great actor and really brought Azog to life.
Without Azog that movie would be crap... the book was boring. For me, Peter Jackson did a great job!!! And I like Azog. I got a Tattoo of his face 🥰. Sorry for mistakes, Im from Germany Tattoo of Azog, not Peter Jackson 🤣🤣
I think, keeping Azog alive was one of the worst decisions they made with these movies. If they kept the original chain of events intact they could have used Bolg as the main antagonist with a strong motivation of his own - avenging his father. Dain Ironfoot would have been introduced way before the third movie, whhre he and his army came out of thin air. Storywise this would have fixed some of the problems of the movies. And last, but not least they discarded the opportunity to show the visual impressive Balrog in the trilogy.
I don't think it was that bad of a decision, because as a kid I always love the fights between Thorin and Azog. But to be honest, I never understood why they didn't choose Bolg instead of Azog to hunt the dwarves. It would have made so much more sense!
"There Is One I Could Call King" There is no more or less to say about it. I realy would love to see a video on the life of thorin. You would be good and honorable dwarfs.❤👍
I think it was a pretty okay decision to include him in the movies. He helped tie together the dwarves' past with their mountain, Smaug, and finding a new home, as well as show WHY people revered Thorin and why he was so important despite just showing up one day on Bilbo's doorstep with only a dozen-ish dwarves to face a dragon. I did get him and his son confused though; I think maybe those two would have been better rolled into one character in the movies.
I agree with you with the exception of Azog and Bolg, but my one reservation about it is just how different it is from the original books, so it’s a bit of a pull between “This made the story overall better” and “This isn’t what Tolkien originally wanted”
@@ZonarohGaming I see what you mean, the book was Originally a book for his kids so PJ wanted it to have more action/better conflicts and make it better for most people to watch
The execution was cheesy as heck, with him serving as a kind of "Moby Dick" (the white whale - of course he is also "white") stand-in for Thorin as Ahab. Very cheap and unimaginative standard revenge stuff. (Obviously not the original novel, but the way it serves as a kind of cliché to pretend significance, or simply the overall storytelling of the cheesy "revenge" story.)
"There is one I could call king" I would love to see a video on the life of Thorin. I'm always ecstatic to see a video on the dwarves. They've always been my favorite race in Middle Earth and in all of the other fantasy worlds. I feel like alot of people overlook them and don't give them the love I belive they deserve.
I have ALWAYS adored the elves in just about any franchise, but I'm planning to do a dungeon crawl where some dwarves fight to retake their ancestral home. Only this time they bring help: elves. also, they're going to find out the real origin of the old war between the elves and dwarves, and they can become the friends they were meant to be. 👌🏼😊👍🏻
I feel like Azog could be one of the Elves that Morgoth personal transformed into an Orc. This might explain his long life, larger size than a common Orc, higher strength, better agility, smarter mindset and his status as a general... just a playful thought... he may even be one of the sons of Feanor that was lost or possibly another Noldorin descendant of significance.
Tolkien said that people of middle earth believed some orcs were maiar transforned in orc form cause of how much more fearsome they were compared to the average orc.
"There is one I could call king" I think for the movies it did make sense to have Azog survive, however it would have made for such a cooler villain if he wasn't CGI. CGI took away some of the magic and feeling from the hobbit trilogy. The few times we see orcs as people in costumes they look so much better.
The way they pictured him was to tall and not really possible for prothstetics says them, I think he looks awesome, I didn’t mind all the cgi, still enjoyable to watch
Peter wanted Azog to stand out so he made him CGI as a very pale and 7ft orc, he was originally gonna be a person in prosthetics, Wich if I’m correct looked like the Yanzeg character
i actually think this was a good idea to connect the story of the necromancer (who was Sauron) with the Hobbit story because one of our POV characters (Gandalf) actually goes to investigate this.
I agree that adding in the events of The White Council driving out the Necromancer was a good choice to include, but the other connections the Lord of the Rings were so ham-fisted. Absolutely unsubtle. The goblins should have been led by Bolg, no wereworms or giant seige monsters. Just goblins, elite group of a few hundred orcs (the bodyguard of Bolg), bats and wargs.
"There is one I could call king." I would love to see a video about Thorin's life. Unfortunately, due to health limitations, I am unable to read the books, so I rely on individuals such as yourself for this information. Thank you so much for everything you do! My response to the question of do I "wish they would have left it like the books?" I don't really understand the point of letting Azog survive, and Bolg just being a background character at that point. I think it would have given Dain a much more compelling reason to come aid Thorin in reclaiming the Lonely Mountain if we has seen Azog kill his father. Why not just leave it the way it was? Then again, I don't know that it really would have changed the story that much.
sorry for your health limitations, heres an idea - you could listen to the books as audiobooks! then you get to enjoy the books. obviously I don't know anything about you, but here's an idea anyway :)
"There Is One I Could Call King" 'However, this is not the true version as Tolkien himself had written.' ...As is pretty much of all Jackson's Middle Earth interpretations, which started pretty well with Fellowship, and got further away from the canonical written word as they progressed. Wish PJ could have stayed truer to Tolkien's books rather than he did, those Hobbit movie's were great when they stayed on track- The Unexpected Party, Trolls, Beorn, the conversations with Smaug are all good. The Bolg role should have remained as it was.
Disagree. The Hobbit book (which is probably my favorite Tolkien book) was made to be a fun fairy tale. Lord of the Rings was a fantasy epic. Thus to translate the Hobbit into movies, especially movies that were made after LotR, they had to lead into LotR. They had to be more epic, or else feel extremely out of place. Azog was one good way to do this. Another was opening up the storyline of what Gandalf was doing while away from the company.
@@inarencommander4663 when everything is "OMG SO EPIC", nothing is. Each moment in history has its own proportion, its own weight and flavour and resonance. If you recognize the LOTR as an epic struggle to save a continent, you can't possibly equalize it to a small regional conflict. It doesnt have to be epic to exist alongside Jackson's LOTR. There is nothing wrong with build up in a story.
@@inarencommander4663 The books were epic both the Hobbit then going into the Lord of the rings. Had no problem as a child making the connection between the Hobbit and the Lord of the rings. Don't really think Peter Jackson really grasped how epic they were especially the Hobbit. This probably had more to do with him changing a bunch of the story around and adding things that did not needed to be added in the Hobbit. His whole purpose of this was to turn the Hobbit into 3 movies but it was supposed to be a prolog for The Lord of the Rings. The purpose of the hobbit was to be one book that would be a 3 hour movie and that's it and no more. 3 hours is plenty to tell the epic tail and prep the person for the Lord of the Rings.
"There is one I could call King." I was not a big fan of the Azog story in the Hobbit movies. I would have liked to see the more accurate version from the books. But even though the Hobbit movies were less than they could have been, I still love them.
@@dontcare5998 opposite for me. I read lotr first so hobbit was a laughing fest for me. I HATED how it depicted the dwarves. I like the movie more to be honest.
I like each interpretation of the character. I think the changes made for the films work well for that medium and it doesn't change my enjoyment of Azog from the book.
Azog : Great commander, skilled warrior, experienced tactician,succesfully leads war against powerful dwarf armies etc. Also Azog : *slams a flail into an icefloe while standing on it*
Why they had Thorin kill Azog in the movie is understandable from a cinematic "sell the most tickets" grudge match type deal.....but at the same time Dane would've been an equally awesome fight to the death with Azog in the Battle of Five Armies film. Thorin's rad and all but a Scottish dwarf with giant red hair riding a war pig wielding a massive hammer is pretty epic.
They could have easily just used Bolg. There wasn't any reason to have Azog aside from the wrong-headed decision to try to 'big' the story of The Hobbit into something as grand and sweeping as The Lord of the Rings when it flat-ass didn't need to be.
I watched, liked, subbed and clicked the bell. Now you have to do Thorin =) Its a rule of UA-cam I think, not sure though. There Is One I Could Call King!
There is one I could call king! I can enjoy the Hobbit trilogy if I do not think too hard, but as always my mental demand for lore makes it a poor representation of the truth. A video of the TRUE life of Thorin would be most appreciated!
I liked Azog as the main villain. I like when directors kinda “Rewrite” elements from a book into a movie, because I would’ve loved to have seen the Hobbit movies while also reading the books, and realizing that Azog was still alive. Would’ve given me that “Wait shouldn’t he be dead? Can’t wait to see what they do now” feeling 💜
Tbf middle earth has this weird thing where Orcs are always talked about as a threat but they never really achieve anything meaningful or attain any degree of prominence. Azog getting altered from the original text was a great way to make a credible orcish threat in the films.
"There is One I could call king." I agree with Amy that it was cool to have a boss Orc to menace the protagonists and lead the baddies, just not sure why Bolg couldn't have been the Orc to do that instead of resurrecting a character Tolkien had killed.
There is one I could call king! I grew up on the animated Hobbit movie: short, sweet, and to the point. I loved PJ’s LOTR trilogy, so much that after seeing the Fellowship, I read the remaining two books before 2 Towers movie came out. I flipped back and referenced the map all the time…I lived in middle earth! As for the Hobbit trilogy, I was a little bummed. There were some really cool parts, but just too much! If I never see Legolas snowboard down stairs on a shield again, I’ll be a happy man! Respect to Tolkien, Peter Jackson, Rankin & Bass and this channel for getting me excited about the Tolkienverse all over again!!!!✌️
There was really no reason for the films to retcon Azog. Their version of the story could've worked exactly the same if Bolg was the main antagonist, possibly even acting under Azog's name/reputation. That change was probably the least of my criticisms of the trilogy, but it was the first one I noticed... oh and "there is one I could call king."
There is one I could call King. 😔🙌🏻❤️ On a side note, I would love a series on the lands of middle earth. Important geographic land marks and borders that changed throughout history. Like how Calenardhon was a Gondorian out post but then was given to Rohan. Is there any information about shifting territory in Dwarf lands, the Shire or elven kingdoms? And did their places of prominence or “capitals” change as a result?
I waited sooo long to see beorn rip bolg apart. When it was azog in the movie and he had the scars all over him I thought they were going to do a back story of him and beorn having fought before and beorn had given him the scars. I was so keen to watch beorn vs azog! What did I see? Nothing of the sort, it was the biggest let down of any movie, ever.
There is one I could call King! I am a purist when it comes to LOTR and the Hobbit. I think that switching the story of Azog was a bad idea, kind of like casting Liv Tyler in Glorfindel’s place. I love all the movies but the books rule supreme!
I would've liked to see more of Bolg in the movie I never really read any of the books but I like the idea of an angry orc cheif's son getting revenge on the ones who killed his father and finishing the war in an epic battle
If you liked the mythology of the story be it the hobbit & lord of the rings, i suggest you read the books in this order you will not be able to put the books down once you begin with "The Silmarillion , The hobbit & Lord of the rings,i would love the prospect to do so again for a 1st time, even though i read the silmarillion after the hobbit & lord of the rings
"There is one I could call king" the movies felt more like a money grab to me, which was very disappointing. I think they should have left it as written and not tampered with it. Or at least have made the changes more in sink with Tolkien's canon.
"There is one I could call king" I think what Peter Jackson did with the movies was incredible talented and made a (good) watchable 3 movies serie. I know that it is really different from the book, but I also think that if he just only used the book for the movies it would be incredibly boring to watch. Besides that, maybe even too childish. If it were just one movie then it will probably work fine, but how Peter Jackson managed to make 3 movies like that (and that while he didn't want to make those).. I'm just so impressed. In my eyes he did an amazing job with it.
"There is one I could call king". I think that Peter adding or allowing this to be added was a shame. He claims to be such a fan and he added way to much that was never there. Also taking out so much that should have been left in. I lost what little respect I had for him at the second and third Hobbit. Thanks for the awesome videos. I have studied Tolkien and many of his works and letters but I still learn new things from your videos. Thanks
"There Is One I Could Call King" Thanks! - Tolkien's creation beats Jackson's free-handed "interpretations". The less said of rabbit-drawn sleighs the better!!
You certainly have my vote for a life of Thorin Oakenshield with comparison of Tolkien's own account and the version in the films. "There is one I could call king." Personally I would have preferred it left unchanged with Bolg commanding the Orcs at the Battle of Five Armies, his father having being slain in Moria at the Battle of Azanulbizar, but I suppose having the Orc who had slain Thorin's grandfather be present, though I do not think the version really seemed to focus that much on that side of things, though I suppose that may be a matter of interpretation.
"There Is One I Could Call King" There was no value to adding Azog to the Hobbit movies. Like a lot of the changes made in the Hobbit movies, my conclusion is it was done to create more material to allow 3 movies to be made.
"There is one I could call king." I think this is one of those things that would have been fixed in The Hobbit films if they had enough time for preproduction. Bolg chasing Thorin and company as revenge for his father's death at the gate would have made more sense. If they had more time, I'm sure they would have come to the same conclusion.
I agree. I thought the Movies were still great though. Yeah some things need to be left out but they worked HARD on them and now our dwarf s are lovable!
As always great video. Love the real Tolkien content. I didn't mind the slight tweaking of the main story line (like they did in the LOTR) but the Hobbit was painful to watch. So watered down. I read the Hobbit at 13 and it and the LOTR trilogy still are my favorite books. The Hobbit was a great story by itself. Without all the fluff and ridiculous CGI. I would not have minded them adding a (what could have happened behind the scenes like Azog, the necromancer etc). But it all seemed so hollow. I don't understand why Hollywood thinks they are better writers than Tolkien. Arrogance.
Dear Broken Sword; It's ok to include him as a flashback, but never to change what Tolkien has written. None of Tolkien's work needs any help from Jackson or anyone else. Edited and streamlining is one thing, but invented narratives and histories as extended Tolkien legend and lore - is not. Flashbacks and visions were done in the LOTR, so there was no reason this couldn't be done again. All Hail to Jackson for bringing this to movies...Tolkien deserves to have it shown. But- too much changing things around is disrespectful. Thanks for the videos. The LoreMaster has spoken.
"There Is One I Could Call King". Fans have spoken! 2.3k now... I would love to hear from any possible character really haha. Awesome work guys! this is my favorite Tolkien lore channel (two previous as well), keep them coming!
"There is one I could call king" I would have preferred PJ + other writers to have left Azog out of the rest of the movie trilogy and more true to the book.
@Sasuke pizza Kitten I do like them, it was great to see them on the big screen. However, I think it would have been better to have kept it to one, maybe two movies (two movies for me 'cause I like fantasy a lot =D) because I think a some of the sequences are drawn out a bit and take too long and other stuff should have been left out (like the Kíli & Tauriel love story + a lot of the Dog Guldur footage).
@Sasuke pizza Kitten Haha, I follow you. I always find it easier to accept when movie makers just leave out parts of a book to save time instead of changing stuff.
I wish they would keep making Middle Earth movies, like what they’re doing with Star Wars. Just don’t sell the property to Disney please. You could get a hundred films out of this lore.
I'd love a movie or series just surrounding the Dwarves and all their battles/wars. A multi-season show surrounding just the Dwarf/Orc war, a miniseries surrounding the battle of Dale, a show about Durin and his kin. So many options to choose from just from one race.
There is one that I’d call king, I think PJ should of stayed true to the book. I feel like the hobbit movies are great on their own, but having read the book I’m a bit split. Azogs character could have easily been changed to bolds character. They could have kept the same pale orc design.
I watched a fan edit of the trilogy recently, it’s far from prefect but it’s exponentially better than the original and more importantly, more accurate. This is what they did, Azog doesn’t appear until the battle of the five armies and he’s credited as Bolg.
I completely disagree. He was a bland uninteresting and unnecessary villain. He also represents one of the problems with the hobbit films. When jackson made lotr, he still had a very indie mentality. He made low budget horror movies and he brought similar sensibilities to the films especially with the orcs. The prosthetics and makeup of the orcs in lotr makes them seem like a genuinely terrifying force of monsters. When the hobbit was made, jackson had lost that mindset. Azog and the many of the other orcs/goblins look like generic cgi characters. They look so artificial and none of the visceral gritty look of the orcs from Rings like gothmog in return of the king or lurtz in fellowship, is present in the hobbit movies
As long as we always refer to Peter Jackson's adaptation as just that, an adaptation, I accept the movies as they are. The liberties taken by Jackson, usually provide a nice twist, minus a few instances. The books are canon that the films are based on. As long as I can have the books, the films are glorious in bringing life to Middle Earth.
Azog is an AMAZING character. The exact opposite of Tauriel, because he has a great personality, drives part of the story and having an antagonist to Thorin makes for a great balance.
Was not the pouch of coins of little worth stuffed into Azog's mouth after he was beheaded? "There is One I could call King". It should have been left alone, as written.
Looked thru your uploads up to current, didn't see any videos called 'who is Thorin Oakenshield'. So, w/o further ado: "There is one I could call king." Liked, added, shared, subbed.
I hated how much freedom the Hobitt movie trilogy took. Azog, Legolas, Tauriel... There was too much stuff moved from other context or just made up. In addition, the whole story felt stretched, income over quality.
I always wondered why they made Thorin so attractive in all the media, does The Hobbit ever touch on his appearance? Nothing personal against Rhys-Davies but as decorated and revered as Gimli was, he wasn't classically handsome although he comes up in every conversation I've ever had with another fan. Thank you for the upload! This Orc videos are the best
I really wanted to see Azog and Dain Ironfoot in movie versions have a fight like in the books and Beorn vs Bolg from movie versions but with book fights.
"There are Two I Could Call Queen" There is no more or less to say about it. I realy would kind of like to listen to an album from both Queen and Queensryche.
A vid on Thorin would be cool. I think the change was necessary in the movies to flesh out the motivations of the dwarves which are pretty 2D in the actual Hobbit book. Also we lack sufficient prequel context to skip thru from father to son, this was better.
According to the simarillion the first orcs were the elves that melkor/morgoth kidnapped after the elves woke up. That being said orcs are tortured deformed elves meaning they would have to still be immortal and from the first age.
Pausing answer your your question as would love that, and was hoping that was more what Jackson with the Hobbit movies would have done when I heard he supposedly used "appendix material" for the movies.
As Balin says in the first Hobbit movie, "There is one I could call king." Please compile a video showing a comparison of the portrayal of Thorin between book and movies. Based on your comments during this video about Azog, when you mentioned that Prof. Tolkien wrote that Sauron (as the Necromancer) had sent creatures to Moria in the 24th century of the Third Age, it may be plausible to suggest that those creatures could have helped the disguised dark lord establish a network of communication and control, even before his return to Mordor.
There is one I could call king. According to “The Silmarillion”, there is a passage where Tolkien implies what Saruman says in the film adaptation of “The Lord of the Rings”, that the orcs were once elves, taken by Sauron and/or his master, Morgoth, and “tortured , mutilated; a ruinous and terrible form of life”. That means that orcs are immortal, unless slain in battle or by fatal accident. As for the question of which version of Azog’s fate would he better in the film, you need to think about it not only as a fan, but from the perspective of a filmmaker who has to make a film that will do enough box office to justify the large budget allocated to produce it. In this case, it required a main nemesis more visible than Sauron, and one that Thorin would reasonably have a chance of killing at the climactic battle. Totally adhering to the original book might draw Tolkien purists, but the way the story was altered was likely to draw a much wider audience and have more longevity at the box office. That said, while I would have loved a perfect translation from the book to the screen, I believe the filmmakers mafe the right choice.
I am torn on whether Azog surviving was good or bad. Like Azog became so iconic of a character in those movies, as did Bolg after him, and I LOVED the movies and how they portrayed him. But at the same time it’s such a huge diversion from the books that idk how I feel about it.
I remember going into the cinema thinking there was only going to be 2 hobbit movies when unexpected journey came out and it made me look back fondly on the rakin bass cartoon from the 70s. Azog being part of the story just felt off to me and ive never even read any lord of the rings books i didnt evem know azog even existed. Thats how you know theres gonna be problems with the story if someone who doesnt even know the lore can tell you a certain character or aspect doesnt belong then it should be cut. The hobbit could literally have just been one film ya didnt need 3 let alone 2
I loved the character of Azog The Defiler.
The idea of an intelligent henchman. The character design is great.
And lets not forget Manu, who is a great actor and really brought Azog to life.
He was so badass and perfect
Without Azog that movie would be crap... the book was boring. For me, Peter Jackson did a great job!!! And I like Azog. I got a Tattoo of his face 🥰. Sorry for mistakes, Im from Germany
Tattoo of Azog, not Peter Jackson 🤣🤣
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You have excellent taste in tattoos!
@@themurrrr thank you ☺
Azog is a weak villain- evil for the sake of being evil and goes on a quest for revenge against thorin cuz of his arm, pride and hatred for dwarves
I think, keeping Azog alive was one of the worst decisions they made with these movies. If they kept the original chain of events intact they could have used Bolg as the main antagonist with a strong motivation of his own - avenging his father. Dain Ironfoot would have been introduced way before the third movie, whhre he and his army came out of thin air. Storywise this would have fixed some of the problems of the movies.
And last, but not least they discarded the opportunity to show the visual impressive Balrog in the trilogy.
I mostly agree although I think Thorin should have definitely been the one to kill azog. Would have made it even more personal
I don't think it was that bad of a decision, because as a kid I always love the fights between Thorin and Azog. But to be honest, I never understood why they didn't choose Bolg instead of Azog to hunt the dwarves. It would have made so much more sense!
"There Is One I Could Call King" There is no more or less to say about it. I realy would love to see a video on the life of thorin. You would be good and honorable dwarfs.❤👍
agreed
There is ONE I would call King!
@@donbrunodelamancha1927 Have you watched the video and the message should be "There is one I could call king" thats their request...
Azog : why ? Beggar beards?
They already did,its called the hobbit.
I think it was a pretty okay decision to include him in the movies. He helped tie together the dwarves' past with their mountain, Smaug, and finding a new home, as well as show WHY people revered Thorin and why he was so important despite just showing up one day on Bilbo's doorstep with only a dozen-ish dwarves to face a dragon. I did get him and his son confused though; I think maybe those two would have been better rolled into one character in the movies.
Yeah, and better conflict
I agree with you with the exception of Azog and Bolg, but my one reservation about it is just how different it is from the original books, so it’s a bit of a pull between “This made the story overall better” and “This isn’t what Tolkien originally wanted”
@@ZonarohGaming I see what you mean, the book was Originally a book for his kids so PJ wanted it to have more action/better conflicts and make it better for most people to watch
Movie was garbage and you know it. Azog was computer generated and fake as hell looking.
The execution was cheesy as heck, with him serving as a kind of "Moby Dick" (the white whale - of course he is also "white") stand-in for Thorin as Ahab. Very cheap and unimaginative standard revenge stuff. (Obviously not the original novel, but the way it serves as a kind of cliché to pretend significance, or simply the overall storytelling of the cheesy "revenge" story.)
"There is one I could call king"
I would love to see a video on the life of Thorin. I'm always ecstatic to see a video on the dwarves. They've always been my favorite race in Middle Earth and in all of the other fantasy worlds. I feel like alot of people overlook them and don't give them the love I belive they deserve.
I bend the knee to no one.
I have ALWAYS adored the elves in just about any franchise, but I'm planning to do a dungeon crawl where some dwarves fight to retake their ancestral home. Only this time they bring help: elves. also, they're going to find out the real origin of the old war between the elves and dwarves, and they can become the friends they were meant to be. 👌🏼😊👍🏻
Its eassy to... Overlook them. Heh.
I wouldn't have overlooked them if their heads stood a bit higher from the ground...
@@misaelfraga8196 nice
I feel like Azog could be one of the Elves that Morgoth personal transformed into an Orc. This might explain his long life, larger size than a common Orc, higher strength, better agility, smarter mindset and his status as a general... just a playful thought... he may even be one of the sons of Feanor that was lost or possibly another Noldorin descendant of significance.
He would have lived for three ages if that would be true...he would have seen the war of wrath, the fall of Numenor and so much more lol
Azog is Feanor's brother.
Tolkien said that people of middle earth believed some orcs were maiar transforned in orc form cause of how much more fearsome they were compared to the average orc.
"There is one I could call king"
I think for the movies it did make sense to have Azog survive, however it would have made for such a cooler villain if he wasn't CGI. CGI took away some of the magic and feeling from the hobbit trilogy. The few times we see orcs as people in costumes they look so much better.
Agreed, the same with Dain being cgi, and the cgi looks worse in the hobbit trilogy
I hope it was not because CGI from Weta puts more money in Peter Jackson's pocket.....
@@Enerdhil I don't think he would have he was very passionate about the stories/films as many people are
The way they pictured him was to tall and not really possible for prothstetics says them, I think he looks awesome, I didn’t mind all the cgi, still enjoyable to watch
Peter wanted Azog to stand out so he made him CGI as a very pale and 7ft orc, he was originally gonna be a person in prosthetics, Wich if I’m correct looked like the Yanzeg character
There is one I could call king. Great video
i actually think this was a good idea to connect the story of the necromancer (who was Sauron) with the Hobbit story because one of our POV characters (Gandalf) actually goes to investigate this.
I agree that adding in the events of The White Council driving out the Necromancer was a good choice to include, but the other connections the Lord of the Rings were so ham-fisted. Absolutely unsubtle. The goblins should have been led by Bolg, no wereworms or giant seige monsters. Just goblins, elite group of a few hundred orcs (the bodyguard of Bolg), bats and wargs.
"There is one I could call king." I would love to see a video about Thorin's life. Unfortunately, due to health limitations, I am unable to read the books, so I rely on individuals such as yourself for this information. Thank you so much for everything you do!
My response to the question of do I "wish they would have left it like the books?" I don't really understand the point of letting Azog survive, and Bolg just being a background character at that point. I think it would have given Dain a much more compelling reason to come aid Thorin in reclaiming the Lonely Mountain if we has seen Azog kill his father. Why not just leave it the way it was? Then again, I don't know that it really would have changed the story that much.
sorry for your health limitations, heres an idea - you could listen to the books as audiobooks! then you get to enjoy the books. obviously I don't know anything about you, but here's an idea anyway :)
Respect ✊🏽 💯
Can you listen to audiobooks? If so the hobbit is narrated by Andy Serkis (Gollum’s actor) and he’s really good
@@Milkra They're listed to a UA-cam video, they can listen to an Audiobook.
I've listened to all the books at work. Audible is great
"There Is One I Could Call King"
'However, this is not the true version as Tolkien himself had written.'
...As is pretty much of all Jackson's Middle Earth interpretations, which started pretty well with Fellowship, and got further away from the canonical written word as they progressed. Wish PJ could have stayed truer to Tolkien's books rather than he did, those Hobbit movie's were great when they stayed on track- The Unexpected Party, Trolls, Beorn, the conversations with Smaug are all good. The Bolg role should have remained as it was.
Disagree. The Hobbit book (which is probably my favorite Tolkien book) was made to be a fun fairy tale. Lord of the Rings was a fantasy epic.
Thus to translate the Hobbit into movies, especially movies that were made after LotR, they had to lead into LotR. They had to be more epic, or else feel extremely out of place. Azog was one good way to do this. Another was opening up the storyline of what Gandalf was doing while away from the company.
@@inarencommander4663 when everything is "OMG SO EPIC", nothing is. Each moment in history has its own proportion, its own weight and flavour and resonance. If you recognize the LOTR as an epic struggle to save a continent, you can't possibly equalize it to a small regional conflict. It doesnt have to be epic to exist alongside Jackson's LOTR. There is nothing wrong with build up in a story.
@@inarencommander4663 I totally agree with you, I believe that adding in some of those lines into the hobbit and lotr movies really made them good.
They could honestly have just left Azog out, made his character Bolg instead, and achieved the same result.
@@inarencommander4663 The books were epic both the Hobbit then going into the Lord of the rings. Had no problem as a child making the connection between the Hobbit and the Lord of the rings. Don't really think Peter Jackson really grasped how epic they were especially the Hobbit. This probably had more to do with him changing a bunch of the story around and adding things that did not needed to be added in the Hobbit. His whole purpose of this was to turn the Hobbit into 3 movies but it was supposed to be a prolog for The Lord of the Rings. The purpose of the hobbit was to be one book that would be a 3 hour movie and that's it and no more. 3 hours is plenty to tell the epic tail and prep the person for the Lord of the Rings.
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There is one I could call king! Book Thorin and film Thorin are such different characters, I’d love to hear your thoughts on them
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I was not a big fan of the Azog story in the Hobbit movies. I would have liked to see the more accurate version from the books. But even though the Hobbit movies were less than they could have been, I still love them.
I couldn’t finish the films. The Hobbit is my favourite book from my childhood and I couldn’t face the travesty that was the Hobbit films
I could get over it but I hated the cgi
@@dontcare5998 opposite for me. I read lotr first so hobbit was a laughing fest for me. I HATED how it depicted the dwarves. I like the movie more to be honest.
I like each interpretation of the character. I think the changes made for the films work well for that medium and it doesn't change my enjoyment of Azog from the book.
Azog : Great commander, skilled warrior, experienced tactician,succesfully leads war against powerful dwarf armies etc.
Also Azog : *slams a flail into an icefloe while standing on it*
The movies are farcical.
Why they had Thorin kill Azog in the movie is understandable from a cinematic "sell the most tickets" grudge match type deal.....but at the same time Dane would've been an equally awesome fight to the death with Azog in the Battle of Five Armies film.
Thorin's rad and all but a Scottish dwarf with giant red hair riding a war pig wielding a massive hammer is pretty epic.
They could have easily just used Bolg. There wasn't any reason to have Azog aside from the wrong-headed decision to try to 'big' the story of The Hobbit into something as grand and sweeping as The Lord of the Rings when it flat-ass didn't need to be.
I watched, liked, subbed and clicked the bell. Now you have to do Thorin =) Its a rule of UA-cam I think, not sure though. There Is One I Could Call King!
“There is one I could call King”. I’d love to see Thorin’s story.
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I can enjoy the Hobbit trilogy if I do not think too hard, but as always my mental demand for lore makes it a poor representation of the truth.
A video of the TRUE life of Thorin would be most appreciated!
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I liked Azog as the main villain. I like when directors kinda “Rewrite” elements from a book into a movie, because I would’ve loved to have seen the Hobbit movies while also reading the books, and realizing that Azog was still alive. Would’ve given me that “Wait shouldn’t he be dead? Can’t wait to see what they do now” feeling 💜
They didn’t want his son to be the villain cause bolg was barely in the book and they didn’t want it to be generic revenge
Tbf middle earth has this weird thing where Orcs are always talked about as a threat but they never really achieve anything meaningful or attain any degree of prominence. Azog getting altered from the original text was a great way to make a credible orcish threat in the films.
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"There is One I could call king." I agree with Amy that it was cool to have a boss Orc to menace the protagonists and lead the baddies, just not sure why Bolg couldn't have been the Orc to do that instead of resurrecting a character Tolkien had killed.
I agree, like you can say Azog is more iconic but with that head metal stuff Bolg had he still would have been super iconic
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As for any question involving the movies vs the books, I will always pick the books, of course.
There is one I could call king! I grew up on the animated Hobbit movie: short, sweet, and to the point. I loved PJ’s LOTR trilogy, so much that after seeing the Fellowship, I read the remaining two books before 2 Towers movie came out. I flipped back and referenced the map all the time…I lived in middle earth!
As for the Hobbit trilogy, I was a little bummed. There were some really cool parts, but just too much! If I never see Legolas snowboard down stairs on a shield again, I’ll be a happy man! Respect to Tolkien, Peter Jackson, Rankin & Bass and this channel for getting me excited about the Tolkienverse all over again!!!!✌️
There was really no reason for the films to retcon Azog. Their version of the story could've worked exactly the same if Bolg was the main antagonist, possibly even acting under Azog's name/reputation. That change was probably the least of my criticisms of the trilogy, but it was the first one I noticed... oh and "there is one I could call king."
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On a side note, I would love a series on the lands of middle earth. Important geographic land marks and borders that changed throughout history. Like how Calenardhon was a Gondorian out post but then was given to Rohan. Is there any information about shifting territory in Dwarf lands, the Shire or elven kingdoms? And did their places of prominence or “capitals” change as a result?
I waited sooo long to see beorn rip bolg apart. When it was azog in the movie and he had the scars all over him I thought they were going to do a back story of him and beorn having fought before and beorn had given him the scars. I was so keen to watch beorn vs azog!
What did I see? Nothing of the sort, it was the biggest let down of any movie, ever.
There is one I could call King! I am a purist when it comes to LOTR and the Hobbit. I think that switching the story of Azog was a bad idea, kind of like casting Liv Tyler in Glorfindel’s place. I love all the movies but the books rule supreme!
I would've liked to see more of Bolg in the movie I never really read any of the books but I like the idea of an angry orc cheif's son getting revenge on the ones who killed his father and finishing the war in an epic battle
If you liked the mythology of the story be it the hobbit & lord of the rings, i suggest you read the books in this order you will not be able to put the books down once you begin with "The Silmarillion , The hobbit & Lord of the rings,i would love the prospect to do so again for a 1st time, even though i read the silmarillion after the hobbit & lord of the rings
There is one I could call King. Yes, please do that comparison! This video is great, I would like to see another one!
"There is one I could call king" the movies felt more like a money grab to me, which was very disappointing. I think they should have left it as written and not tampered with it. Or at least have made the changes more in sink with Tolkien's canon.
I read the Hobbit practically every other day growing up, could never bring myself to watch the third movie
"What they changed about this character" he's....alive.
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I think what Peter Jackson did with the movies was incredible talented and made a (good) watchable 3 movies serie. I know that it is really different from the book, but I also think that if he just only used the book for the movies it would be incredibly boring to watch. Besides that, maybe even too childish.
If it were just one movie then it will probably work fine, but how Peter Jackson managed to make 3 movies like that (and that while he didn't want to make those).. I'm just so impressed. In my eyes he did an amazing job with it.
"There is one I could call king". I think that Peter adding or allowing this to be added was a shame. He claims to be such a fan and he added way to much that was never there. Also taking out so much that should have been left in. I lost what little respect I had for him at the second and third Hobbit.
Thanks for the awesome videos. I have studied Tolkien and many of his works and letters but I still learn new things from your videos. Thanks
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Thanks! - Tolkien's creation beats Jackson's free-handed "interpretations". The less said of rabbit-drawn sleighs the better!!
You certainly have my vote for a life of Thorin Oakenshield with comparison of Tolkien's own account and the version in the films.
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Personally I would have preferred it left unchanged with Bolg commanding the Orcs at the Battle of Five Armies, his father having being slain in Moria at the Battle of Azanulbizar, but I suppose having the Orc who had slain Thorin's grandfather be present, though I do not think the version really seemed to focus that much on that side of things, though I suppose that may be a matter of interpretation.
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There was no value to adding Azog to the Hobbit movies. Like a lot of the changes made in the Hobbit movies, my conclusion is it was done to create more material to allow 3 movies to be made.
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"There is one I could call king." I think this is one of those things that would have been fixed in The Hobbit films if they had enough time for preproduction. Bolg chasing Thorin and company as revenge for his father's death at the gate would have made more sense. If they had more time, I'm sure they would have come to the same conclusion.
I agree. I thought the Movies were still great though. Yeah some things need to be left out but they worked HARD on them and now our dwarf s are lovable!
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As always great video. Love the real Tolkien content. I didn't mind the slight tweaking of the main story line (like they did in the LOTR) but the Hobbit was painful to watch. So watered down. I read the Hobbit at 13 and it and the LOTR trilogy still are my favorite books. The Hobbit was a great story by itself. Without all the fluff and ridiculous CGI. I would not have minded them adding a (what could have happened behind the scenes like Azog, the necromancer etc). But it all seemed so hollow. I don't understand why Hollywood thinks they are better writers than Tolkien. Arrogance.
I totally understand you! It’s a great example of less would have been more!
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Dear Broken Sword;
It's ok to include him as a flashback, but never to change what Tolkien has written. None of Tolkien's work needs any help from Jackson or anyone else. Edited and streamlining is one thing, but invented narratives and histories as extended Tolkien legend and lore - is not. Flashbacks and visions were done in the LOTR, so there was no reason this couldn't be done again. All Hail to Jackson for bringing this to movies...Tolkien deserves to have it shown. But- too much changing things around is disrespectful. Thanks for the videos.
The LoreMaster has spoken.
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I would have preferred PJ + other writers to have left Azog out of the rest of the movie trilogy and more true to the book.
@Sasuke pizza Kitten Very true
@Sasuke pizza Kitten I do like them, it was great to see them on the big screen. However, I think it would have been better to have kept it to one, maybe two movies (two movies for me 'cause I like fantasy a lot =D) because I think a some of the sequences are drawn out a bit and take too long and other stuff should have been left out (like the Kíli & Tauriel love story + a lot of the Dog Guldur footage).
@Sasuke pizza Kitten Haha, I follow you. I always find it easier to accept when movie makers just leave out parts of a book to save time instead of changing stuff.
But the book was boring...
I know him as Azog the Franchise Defiler because he looks like a cgi piece of home-made soap.
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I would like to see a video on Thorin and the differences between the movies and books. Thanks for your content. It’s very good work.
There is one I could call King. I love Thorin! Can't wait on a video
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Yes please proceed as "There is one I could call King" and I wish to hear more of him.
I wish they would keep making Middle Earth movies, like what they’re doing with Star Wars. Just don’t sell the property to Disney please. You could get a hundred films out of this lore.
I'd love a movie or series just surrounding the Dwarves and all their battles/wars. A multi-season show surrounding just the Dwarf/Orc war, a miniseries surrounding the battle of Dale, a show about Durin and his kin. So many options to choose from just from one race.
You could make 20 seasons out of the silmarillion tbh
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There is one that I’d call king, I think PJ should of stayed true to the book. I feel like the hobbit movies are great on their own, but having read the book I’m a bit split. Azogs character could have easily been changed to bolds character. They could have kept the same pale orc design.
I watched a fan edit of the trilogy recently, it’s far from prefect but it’s exponentially better than the original and more importantly, more accurate. This is what they did, Azog doesn’t appear until the battle of the five armies and he’s credited as Bolg.
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Even though he was very minor in the books, Manu Bennett’s Azog was a legend
I completely disagree. He was a bland uninteresting and unnecessary villain. He also represents one of the problems with the hobbit films. When jackson made lotr, he still had a very indie mentality. He made low budget horror movies and he brought similar sensibilities to the films especially with the orcs. The prosthetics and makeup of the orcs in lotr makes them seem like a genuinely terrifying force of monsters. When the hobbit was made, jackson had lost that mindset. Azog and the many of the other orcs/goblins look like generic cgi characters. They look so artificial and none of the visceral gritty look of the orcs from Rings like gothmog in return of the king or lurtz in fellowship, is present in the hobbit movies
Manu Bennet was an excellent choice for. Azog especially being a native as well
I mean look at Deathstroke
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Azok is such an interesting character
It was played a great actor as well
As long as we always refer to Peter Jackson's adaptation as just that, an adaptation, I accept the movies as they are. The liberties taken by Jackson, usually provide a nice twist, minus a few instances. The books are canon that the films are based on. As long as I can have the books, the films are glorious in bringing life to Middle Earth.
"There is one I could call king." The movies were entertaining, but I thought Azog should've been left out and Bolg the prime antagonist.
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Azog is an AMAZING character. The exact opposite of Tauriel, because he has a great personality, drives part of the story and having an antagonist to Thorin makes for a great balance.
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Was not the pouch of coins of little worth stuffed into Azog's mouth after he was beheaded? "There is One I could call King". It should have been left alone, as written.
Looked thru your uploads up to current, didn't see any videos called 'who is Thorin Oakenshield'. So, w/o further ado:
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Love your videos and hope we get to see this Thorin video come to light!
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Bolg as the main antagonist would have been much better. That doesn't mean Azog couldn't have made an appearance in the flashback to the battle.
I hated how much freedom the Hobitt movie trilogy took. Azog, Legolas, Tauriel... There was too much stuff moved from other context or just made up. In addition, the whole story felt stretched, income over quality.
I always wondered why they made Thorin so attractive in all the media, does The Hobbit ever touch on his appearance? Nothing personal against Rhys-Davies but as decorated and revered as Gimli was, he wasn't classically handsome although he comes up in every conversation I've ever had with another fan. Thank you for the upload! This Orc videos are the best
I really wanted to see Azog and Dain Ironfoot in movie versions have a fight like in the books and Beorn vs Bolg from movie versions but with book fights.
My guess, Azog is Feanor's brother!
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There is one I could call King! You do a great job my friend and it would be pretty cool
A vid on Thorin would be cool. I think the change was necessary in the movies to flesh out the motivations of the dwarves which are pretty 2D in the actual Hobbit book. Also we lack sufficient prequel context to skip thru from father to son, this was better.
Finally got to the "There is one, I would call king" part. I've been scrolling and wondering.
According to the simarillion the first orcs were the elves that melkor/morgoth kidnapped after the elves woke up. That being said orcs are tortured deformed elves meaning they would have to still be immortal and from the first age.
Pausing answer your your question as would love that, and was hoping that was more what Jackson with the Hobbit movies would have done when I heard he supposedly used "appendix material" for the movies.
As Balin says in the first Hobbit movie, "There is one I could call king." Please compile a video showing a comparison of the portrayal of Thorin between book and movies.
Based on your comments during this video about Azog, when you mentioned that Prof. Tolkien wrote that Sauron (as the Necromancer) had sent creatures to Moria in the 24th century of the Third Age, it may be plausible to suggest that those creatures could have helped the disguised dark lord establish a network of communication and control, even before his return to Mordor.
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According to “The Silmarillion”, there is a passage where Tolkien implies what Saruman says in the film adaptation of “The Lord of the Rings”, that the orcs were once elves, taken by Sauron and/or his master, Morgoth, and “tortured , mutilated; a ruinous and terrible form of life”. That means that orcs are immortal, unless slain in battle or by fatal accident.
As for the question of which version of Azog’s fate would he better in the film, you need to think about it not only as a fan, but from the perspective of a filmmaker who has to make a film that will do enough box office to justify the large budget allocated to produce it. In this case, it required a main nemesis more visible than Sauron, and one that Thorin would reasonably have a chance of killing at the climactic battle. Totally adhering to the original book might draw Tolkien purists, but the way the story was altered was likely to draw a much wider audience and have more longevity at the box office.
That said, while I would have loved a perfect translation from the book to the screen, I believe the filmmakers mafe the right choice.
Orcs are not immortal. Read the source material.
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I am torn on whether Azog surviving was good or bad. Like Azog became so iconic of a character in those movies, as did Bolg after him, and I LOVED the movies and how they portrayed him. But at the same time it’s such a huge diversion from the books that idk how I feel about it.
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there is one I could call king ,azog the defiler learned that day that the line of durin would not be so easily broken...
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I remember going into the cinema thinking there was only going to be 2 hobbit movies when unexpected journey came out and it made me look back fondly on the rakin bass cartoon from the 70s.
Azog being part of the story just felt off to me and ive never even read any lord of the rings books i didnt evem know azog even existed. Thats how you know theres gonna be problems with the story if someone who doesnt even know the lore can tell you a certain character or aspect doesnt belong then it should be cut.
The hobbit could literally have just been one film ya didnt need 3 let alone 2