Enneagram Type Eight in Film and Television
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 тра 2021
- Taking a deeper look at the Enneagram Type Eight by showing examples from film and television.
From the Enneagram Institute: "Eights are self-confident, strong, and assertive. Protective, resourceful, straight-talking, and decisive, but can also be ego-centric and domineering. Eights feel they must control their environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Eights typically have problems with their tempers and with allowing themselves to be vulnerable. At their Best: self- mastering, they use their strength to improve others' lives, becoming heroic, magnanimous, and inspiring."
Note: This video is not a statement that every character shown is 100% a Type Eight. Most are fictional creations and might have characteristics of multiple Enneagram types that a real person would never have. Rather, it's a montage of characters acting in a specific way in a specific scene that demonstrates some attributes of an Enneagram Type Eight.
When you Realizise that 8(Eight) is a Letter away from Fight
giphy.com/gifs/producthunt-mind-blown-blow-your-26ufdipQqU2lhNA4g
Omg yesss! 😆😆😆😆
😂
To clarify for some of the quotes in the video, the power the 8 cares about is power over themselves and freedom to do what they want, which is why they are so concerned with not being controlled by others, because it takes away one’s freedom. Pretty much what is said at 1:35. Being seen as high status or being known as successful is not power the 8 seeks, thats more social 3.
Only clarifying because when power is used for the 8 the word in that context has a specific meaning for the 8 and people often mesh in status as part of the equation when it’s not.
Overall I think this a good point, especially for healthier 8s. However, as the 8 devolves, they can start to want/need domineering power over others. Basically… power for power’s sake. Of course it’s still just an effort to satisfy their own internal needs, but it gets projected against out and against the world (or something like that).
proud to be called a healthy eight from my friends :)
Huzzah!
My dad is an 8 and he is usually chill. He just likes to have a good time and can be quite generous with his time and energy. But it is not a good idea to disrespect him lol
Lol, I'll try avoid doing that then.
I actually have to cry when someone overcomes their basic fear and sacrifices themselves for the greater good.
I always have that feeling that I want to go out like this. I fight for something for a long time and build up a new generation and then go out fighting for that generation. Not necessarily literally but it is indeed a core "dream" of me.
As a One I can definitely relate to this. Going down with the ship… as a martyr… sounds pretty good sometimes.
Unhealthy Enneagram type 8 motto:[CRUSH THE WEAK!]
Healthy Enneagram Type 8 motto: Support the weak!
From this latest adaptation of Little Women, I can see Jo as an 8, but from the books and previous adaptations, I think Jo is a 4. She's an artist at heart, emotional, moody, passionate, and deeply wants to be her own person. This version portrays her with more confidence, but she has a great deal of insecurity and most 4s will take initiative and go to bat for their artistic integrity.
Interesting! I’ve never read the book. There are several examples of characters throughout this video series that could probably be interpreted multiple ways depending on their different portrayals in books, films, etc. Pride and prejudice is one of my favorite, if not my all-time favorite film. I’ve purposely never read the book because I know it will be so different from the film and I don’t want to ruin it. Even though I guess the book is the gold standard for the characters!
@@TypeCast Pride and Prejudice is a great film! Actually, I think the adaptations have been very faithful and Elizabeth's character so wonderfully portrayed. If you love the movie I think you would enjoy the book. I agree with you that characters can be interpreted differently based on their portrayals, especially since they're fictional and can't tell us for themselves what they are.
Throughout this series it’s been interesting seeing different people’s reactions to different characters. So many of them are like a Rorschach test (I’ve had people argue that Michael Scott isn’t a Two and that Hermione isn’t a One… come on people!). I’ve tried to tell people that fictional characters might embody traits of multiple Types that a real person never would. But I like that a lot… “they can’t tell us for themselves.” I’m stealing that!
The two have more in common than many realize but I agree w the video that Jo is an 8.
4’s carry a palpable sense of longing and romance (like Amy), they are aware of the worlds many injustices, but they don’t burn and rage against them like an 8 does - (like Jo and her fight against society and patriarchy) instead a 4 internalizes emotions and allows themselves to feel everything in real time. 8’s don’t dwell in their emotions so when they experience strong emotions they lash out, never in.
4’s also seek companionship and romance far more often than an 8 does because 8’s loathe the vulnerability that come with depending on anyone.
4’s are passionate romantics, (like Amy) 8’s are passionate challengers.
That's because the 21st Century woman has to be seen as strong and confident, not a wimpy emotional girl. That's why they got parts of her wrong in the movie...
I very much like the "Hunger Games:Catching Fire" segment between 15.39 and 16.26. The shameless , couldn't care less attitude of the stripping girl catches something essential about the female Eight. The look in her eye around 16.19 nails it. Many years ago I shared a house with a female Eight and seeing this clip was like meeting her again.
Thomas Condon's "Enneagram Movie and Video Guide" is a must read in this context.
Yeah, Joanna is great Eight in those films (I've never read the books so I don't how accurately she was portrayed). I'll definitely check out that book!
Just a female 4 here, reminiscing about my failed friendship of 3 years with an unhealthy male 8. He had an insanely dynamic and powerful quality about him that I desperately wanted- but that anger and the megalomania, it was too much. And my poor female 2 friend… just brutalized by him, emotionally speaking. Blocked him and deleted his number. Hope he’s growing as a person.
Sounds like he had it coming. But yeah, growth is always something to wish for, even for enemies.
Lois Lane from Smallville is almost a textbook Eight. Quality video, as always.
I never watched Smallville, was always more into TGIF. I’ll check her out though!
She’s always been my favorite comfort character! I’ve always seen her as an estp 8w7 and I’m the same💖
Excellent video! Obsessed with these - practically using them to study enneagrams lol. Would you mind doing a type 4 when you get the chance? Hoping you'll do all of them but no hurry!
Thanks! I’ve finished the videos for all nine Types, just waiting on UA-cam copyright appeals at this point. I’m releasing them as they get cleared.
@@TypeCast ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy gettit my dude I appreciate the hard work 💪 🙏 💯 🙌 👌 👏 💪
Proud to be an 8 and a Taurus born in the year of the Tiger with red hair and blue eyes.
A force to be reckoned with!
Also a Taurus 8 wasuuuuuup
@@omardumet120 oh, not much, just ruling. NBD... lol
im taurus and 8 too but idk what the fuxk is a tiger with red hair and blue eyes
@@milkeiji6745 I think it's that thing in Chinese restaurants where you find your birth year on the placemat and it tells you what animal you are?
Sorry, but as an eight, most of these are wildly inaccurate and just make us look like a bunch of angry douchebags whose primary motivation is fear. Idk where people get the idea that our one emotion is anger.
What would say is inaccurate about them? You don't think these characters are Eights, or they're too focused on anger? Certainly some of them are overtly angry, but I don't think they're all "angry douchebags" like you've said. Some are just "standing in their power".
Do you have examples in mind of other Eight characters that would be better? I'm always on the lookout for more characters for future videos.
Most of the literature says that Sixes are the ones motivated primarily by Fear, while Eights are motivated primarily by Power. Although I suppose you could make a case that every Type is ultimately motivated by fear: as a One I'm afraid of not being good and perfect, a Three is afraid of not being seen as successful, etc...
I'd be curious what you think about the Type Eight Subtypes video on my channel, which uses three characters from The Godfather.
One thing to keep in mind is that the point of this channel is *not* to Type specific characters, but rather to use individual clips to paint an overall picture of what each Type is all about. There's instances where I've purposely used a character with the "wrong" Type, but a certain clip fits perfectly with a different Type. So it may very well be that some of the characters in this video aren't ultimately Eights (although I feel confident that most of them are), that's not really the point. I think the clips I've chosen, combined with the quotes from many different Enneagram books, paint an overall fair and accurate picture of the Eight.
@Type Cast I actually think a lot of your classic action heros are good representations of eights. The first one that comes to mind is (of course) Ripley from Aliens. As soon as she saw that little girl, her protective instinct kicked in despite not even knowing the kid, which i would very muxh consider a trait of an eight. She's also very much a go getter that's not afraid of getting things done even in the face of the unknown, and she does it despite being nearly paralyzed by fear, and shes even rather pragmatic about it, doing it out of instinct instead of for a reward, like fame. While not all eights are as badass as Ripley, she still very much holds values that an eight would hold dear. She also deals a lot with PTSD, a problem I feel a lot of eights have or deal with something similar (makes sense, as your enneagram type is often the result of a past traumatic event)
While not a movie, I'd even consider Senua from Hellblade to be a prime example of an eight as well, for all the reasons Ripley is (doing something about the problems in her life despite being terrified, doing it out of protective instinct rather than anger) but Senua is also super harsh on herself and holds herself to nearly impossible standards, even when when she's up against something she cant hope to defeat, and she only lets her tears fall when she's alone, where no one will judge her. As an eight, I relate to her far more than any other character, especially more than that angry racist from Motherless Brooklyn or a Clint Eastwood character.
Ripely is a great character.
I should also point out that some of the characters are intentionally unhealthy, i.e. Alec Baldwin in Motherless Brooklyn, Al Pacino in the first Scent of a Woman clip, etc… The point is to show a spectrum of what each Type is like. I don’t know if you’ve seen the other videos in my series but they’re all like that. I’m a One, and I used Thanos and Dolores Umbridge in my One video. They’re about as evil as it gets, but they think they’re doing good, which is an important feature about Ones to understand. Same with the rest of my videos.
Jen Harding from Dead To Me is a perfect example of Type 8
I've never heard of Dead to Me but I'll have to check it out!
such a great show
i'm an ENTP (debater) 8w7 and i still don't understand myself fully lmao. great video, keep it work
Thanks! Have you seen my Type Eight Subtypes video using The Godfather?
@@TypeCast no, gonna watch it soon. btw, i feel kinda related to merida since i was a kid, especially since i can do horse racing (but i never learn arching). this video explain it why i feel so much related to her
I’d say she’s a pretty good character to feel related to.
Same :)
Where is Erin Brockovich??? She should be in this.
I haven’t seen that in a long time but I’ll put her on the list for the next video!
One of my fave movie moments of all time when GI Jane says ‘suck my duck’ what a fucking machinen
Badass for sure. That poor duck though.
Unhealthy eights need to be dealt with. Otherwise, they will walk all over people. Sometimes eights need to exude strength but not always.
I suppose every Type, when unhealthy, needs to be “dealt with” in some way. But unhealthy Eights are certainly one of those most visible and easy to spot when unhealthy.
The "driven by fear of being weak and dominated" sounds more like countertype 6 rather than 8. 8s are much more driven by intensity.
Eights and Counterphobic Sixes can look a lot alike, although "not wanting to be weak and dominated" is about as Eight-ish as it could possibly get. Maybe you're focusing on the "driven by fear" part? All Types are "afraid" of something, it's just the Sixes are afraid of... fear (in a sense). Could be a semantics difference, but while I would certainly agree that Eights are intense, I wouldn't necessarily say that they're "driven by intensity."
ENTJ 8w9 female here! 🥰🥰💙
Hey there!
What are your thoughts on Malcolm Reynolds (Firefly, Serenity) being an Eight?
He seems to display a lot of an average Eight's qualities, and appears chiefly motivated by a desire to be free from being told how to live his life, and is very comfortable being in charge, be it in his small spaceship or commanding squadrons during wartime.
His loyalty and capacity to inspire loyalty in others is one of his defining attributes (although I could certainly see that being a Six as well), and is quick to show anger, especially when it comes to matters of injustice. Even when he doesn't personally like a person (like we see with Simon Tam), if he sees you're capable and strong, he'll respect them and keep them around on his crew.
We see hints of him being a healthier Eight in flashbacks as well, as he has a very lusty "I'm right here, come get me" attitude during combat, yet shows compassion towards his fellow soldiers who are afraid or suffering from PTSD.
Love to get your perspective!
Unfortunately I haven’t seen either of those. Most of what I know about Nathan Fillion comes from him playing himself on Big Mouth. Your description sounds like a pretty healthy Eight though!
Who else saw G.I. Jane and immediately thought of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock?😂
I saw a meme that said, "When Will Smith smacked Chris Rock he should've said 'Welcome to Earth.'" Lulz.
I’m a 5 but apparently I’ve seen more movies with 8’s. Idk what to do with that info 😂 love the action films.
I never saw “The Accountant” with Ben Affleck, but the trailer gave seemed to indicate strong Five vibes.
@@TypeCast I haven’t seen that one. It’ll have to be on my list now. 👍🏻
That’s the problem… there’s too many darn shows/movies to keep up with. But lots of fodder for content!
@@TypeCast My five partner has watched that movie about a bazillion times ...
@@kathrynthomas1 I need to check it out for sure!
Yikes. - an Eight
There's some good Eights in there, too! It's like Uncle Ben says... "With great power comes great responsibility."
@@TypeCast 8s well have a turn-off quote that says [get lost! I ain't your damn babysitter!]
@@TypeCast
You’ll lose all your 8s as subs lmao like obviously we’re not going to sit here and let ourselves be insulted 😂 like did you learn nothing???
Girl I’m gonna try and find the link to this one video of two women interviewing and one is an 8 enneagram 💗
ua-cam.com/video/NBbS9BRBh3A/v-deo.html
Found it!!! 💗
the reason that 8''s are seen so positevely, is because all these videos and information is made by 5''s... who see themselves (often) as little value and over stimate 8's positive traits
I’m a Type One, so…? It’s also funny because some people have commented that they think this video depicts Eights very negatively, so I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder.
An INTJ with 8 enneagram.
I'm ISTJ... so close!
Do you guys think Tony stark is a type 8? He is fact oriented, always trying to acheive more, although he is rich he is independent when his parents died early in his life. His relationship with spiderman shows he values his qualities. Just my two cents :)
No, he’s not primarily concerned with power. I’d say he’s a Three. Driven, image conscious, success oriented. “Trying to achieve more” is the very definition of a Three.
@@TypeCast well i can see that for the early tony stark. Idk ig i just always saw him in the later movies as trying to be strong and a leader but also gain enough power so that thanos couldnt come back and conquer the planet. But thanks for the reply :)
His Wanda-induced nightmare/vision (pun intended) in Age of Ultron definitely freaked him out and drove him into Earth Protector mode, but again I’d argue that he’s not concerned with Power for its own sake. Case in point, he actively tries to give up the Avengers power in Civil War by signing the Accords, which leads to his break with Cap et all. An Eight would *never* actively concede their power like that.
Okay, *never* is pretty strong. There’s probably some circumstance where some Eight would voluntarily give up some power. But it would be the exception that proves the rule.
Tony is a Seven
Avery Bishop scene…That’s me with a particular relationship. I start to cry, then I’ll get mean and nasty.
As a girl I felt like Merida at every family function, and in my own house. Just mischiefing constantly
A suit of armor and a bow.
God, even if I was an 8, I wouldn't self-identify as one. Everyone hates them, apparently even the people who are supposed to see the good in all types. To all 8s: Don't worry. Some of us 3s would rather have teammates who are capable of making tough decisions and who refuse to be bossed around than someone incapable of fighting a fight worth dying for. You are appreciated, even if it's only by a few of us. Who cares about what the rest of them think anyway? (And that's a tough sentence to type as a 3.)
Is there something about the video in particular that gave you that impression? Or are you just speaking generally. I love Eights! As a One I feel a kindred spirit with them. Sometimes I jokingly call myself a “One wing Eight.”
8s aren’t hated;we’re polarizing. The people who like us, really really like us. The people who hate us loathe our guts.
Very well said! Although to be fair, some Eights I love and some I loathe their guts. So… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Passionately Iconic When 9's finally snap... look out!
Im a 4 and tgat exactly how i felt reading about 4s and how everyone saw them. But the 8s take on all the hate to them with strength they are my absolute favorite type
Most of these eights will eventually do themselves in, by surrounding themselves with weaklings and/or become social outcasts.
My father was an eight. The most miserable, isolated SOB I ever knew. I avoid these types like radiation, because they are.
Sorry to hear that. In an unhealthy state Eights can certainly drive people away. But I suppose that’s true of anyone who is very unhealthy. Eight can just be more “externally visible“ about it.
@@TypeCast They're the warriors of the enneagram.
Very based type
No cap
Man i got issues....
Join the club.
8w7 🎯🎯🎯🎯
Thanks!
When I hear Judi Dench I just hear M, its so weird seeing her with so much hair
Fake hair, but hair nonetheless.
@@TypeCast yeah obviously
And what glorious fake hair it was.
I'm 8 but can't relate. Those are very toxic.
Yes, there are some toxic ones in there for sure. But there’s also several that are very healthy and admirable. For all of the Types I tried to show broad spectrum of healthy to unhealthy.
@@TypeCast I failed to see that spectrum honestly
You don’t see Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel, General Patton (when he awards the medal to the wounded soldier), Thaddeus Stevens, Arya Stark, Jo March, and Colonel Slade (at the trial) as healthy examples?
@@TypeCast they may be healthy examples in general but the scenes shown don't really showcase that imo.
Do you have any specific examples in mind of healthy Eights in film or television? Because if those examples aren’t healthy then I honestly have no idea what healthy examples would look like. I mean, even very healthy Eights (in my study/experience) are gonna have passion, be powerful, swear profusely, “push back”, etc…
I’m keeping a running list of potential new characters for the next round of the series, so I’m all ears for any ideas you have!
Thanks, I hate it LOL 😀🤛
I guess I did my job then?
@@TypeCast if your job is to make people unidimensional and play into stereotypes, then yes. But you’ll lose me as a sub ❤️🙏❤️
The reason I hate it is because of the ratio of unhealthy/toxic examples vs true healthy 8s is like 10 to 2 or 3 (without counting exactly). To me it almost seems like anyone who stands up for themselves or a cause and is menacing got typed as an 8; aggression is not a trait associated with only 8s, all people have aggression inside them.
@Tessa Rae, I guess “healthy” is in the eye of the beholder, but I’d say Captain Marvel, Patton, Thaddeus Stevens, Walt Kowalski, Merida, Arya Stark, GI Jane, Jo March, and Frank Slade are demonstrating healthy Eight traits. So…. a bit more than two or three, yeah?
Ayeeee
Indeed
I will SHAVE MY HEAD.
@@tessarae9127 you okay?
@@rosa9005 yes I’d love to play into all the negative stereotypes in this vid by looking scary lmao 👹
@@tessarae9127
Type 8 is not about fights. Its about bringing balance. Fighting is a desperate way to show it. Its a double multiple of 4, which by the way is also a representation of stability. Which is a derivitive of 2 which represents connection. So it goes like connection, stability and balance. Thats what you are looking for here. 8 in the eight trigram represents balance, from where the ying and yang symbol comes from. So you should have represented the number 8 in form of balance. Instead of conflict. Bad representation i would say.
I've never heard that Enneagram theory before (2x4x8). Interesting take.
Patron is a 4
Hmm… I don’t think so. I’ve only ever seen him typed as an eight. If nothing else, he’s definitely an eight in that film! What makes you say Four?
@@TypeCast He was a flawed individual. He certainly found himself fundamentally different from others. Ivory handled revolvers, wearing dress uniforms on the field, he even came up with a ridiculous tanker uniform that the Army rejected.
He was sensitive, and took criticism personally.
There’s a lot on the surface that says 8, but his internal motor was totally a 4 IMO…
I’ll do some more reading and give some references.
@@grantmoon624 Thanks for the insight! I know very little about him other than surface-level historical facts (and that film obviously). I guess I'd need to read his biography or something to make a more definitive guess on his Type.
Although I will say that for this series the actual person's Type doesn't even really matter... it's more about showing external traits as a way of getting your arms around what each Type generally looks like. The best example of this is the George Costanza clip I used in the Type Three video. George is clearly a Six (and he shows up again in the Six video where he belongs!), but that one specific clip was so perfect as an example of an unhealthy Three that I had to use it.
Tammy is a 1, Ron is an 8.
Personally I vote for Ron being a 5 with a strong connection to 8, but I think a fair case could be made for the reverse. I'll fight you on Tammy, though. She's *100%* about Power. Being "right and good and perfect" is irrelevant to her.
@@TypeCast She's a sexual 1, this is how they act. Have you ever worked with the types one on one?
Jo IS A 4 :)
I’ve never read the book so I can’t speak to that, but in terms of her portrayal in this particular film, I don’t get a Four vibe.
Having said that, it doesn’t really matter for what I’m doing here, which is taking individual moments to demonstrate certain aspects of each Type. The “actual” Type of the characters doesn’t really matter, although I’d argue that most of them are more or less correct.
I eat 8s for breakfast..... and eggs.
What about lunch tho?
@@TypeCast warm cheese/salami sandwich, coffee with almond/oats milk.
@@TypeCast I eat Green berets for breakfast is from Commando, an over the top actionfilm with Arnie. ENNEAGRAM 8 film with a 3ACTOR.
I never saw Commando, but I did play it on Nintendo when I was a kid.
@@TypeCast games=5
A lot of these examples are counterphpbic 6s. Not to be confused with 8s.
Which ones specifically would you type as counterphobic six?
ENTJ 8w9 Male Here 😁
Hi!