Occam's Grazer: An In-depth Introduction to Holistic Management
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Occam's Grazer provides an introduction to Holistic Management and holistic grazing as well as many powerful insights, philosophies, and useful ideas from people who are using the framework and practices every day. This video is a must for anyone who wants to learn more about taking a holistic approach to grazing in their ranch business, how it works, and the potential benefits. It was designed to be a resource for ranchers, potential ranchers, environmentalists, and educators, but is also being well received by the general public.
Allan Savory's TED Talk brought me here. This video has made me want to become a farmer lol.
Such a positive, honest group of people! This was so helpful!! My husband and I have 20 acres, and I'm going to get a contract drawn up with goat farmers to get my land eaten down proper. Once that is done a few times, I'll have a pen set up to purchase my own goats & possibly sheep! We already scoop the horse pen & use last years manure in the garden, and all in the back yard when we planted grass. This sure gives me more to plan on!
Watch this one too
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It shows his practices in action on Zimbabwe
Watch this one too
ua-cam.com/video/q7pI7IYaJLI/v-deo.html
It shows his practices in action on Zimbabwe
Man during this entire video i just keep waiting for these people to smile and jump with joy. They have had the shackles of nonsense farming lifted from their lives! These people are doing wonderful things and i just wish they would have showed the happiness that i was feeling watching this video. Raincrow bring the excitement out of these people instead of the dull voices and no smiles! Maybe in your next video? Take a listen and watch Joel Salitin speak and describe being a good steward of nature. Thank for the video best of luck!
Those of us who work for the planet we are constantly downtrodden, criticized and ignored and deliberately marginalized by society. We carry the burden because people like you do not actively stand up and speak out against your own piers for us...
For us SMILING IS FORCED and will be seen as INSINCERE!
+GreenScore Agreed! How can we be happy with such a burden?
I like that Joel Salatin calls them "cow days" and moves them a lot like this. Farming, even small scale, makes your joy quieter, I think...just too tired, sometimes!
I got a great sense of what you're talking about when I read Salatin's "The Sheer Ecstasy of Being a Lunatic Farmer".
You don't know enough farmers. They were escatically jumping for joy.
Buy organic grass-fed beef and cheese. Boycott ALL grain fed farms.
New Earth Administration don't buy any meat at all. Use cattle to repair the land, not to consume
@@andrewsalazar98 without selling the animals there is no way to keep them. Anyone who farms knows how expensive it is to keep livestock even under this approach
Consuming the animals is part of the cycle of life. And if we did things right we’d also recycle our waste and feed it back into the land. And be thankful to the animals for what they give us-life.
@@savedfaves If we're not careful we're going to lose.
Such a great video..Thank you so much for sharing...
The Thundering Hooves postmortem referenced in earlier comments is on the ebeyfarm blog: ebeyfarm.blogspot.com/2011/04/thundering-hooves-postmortem.html
It is well worth a read.
How to do Hollistic management, vdo's are showing only results but how to do it ?
Rudra Agnihotri
I suggest buying the book "Holistic Resource Management" by Allan Savory. It's not a short-answer question.
Get on the land...open your mind and heart...observe cause and effects...economize as much as possible. Produce a good product, listen to your customers and work...work...work.
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It would be helpful to post a flowchart that show the decision trees used in HM so we know what they're actually doing differently.
Raincrow Film LLC
Pacific Northwest C____Holistic Management...?
Oh--- Center. Dwee.
see Alan savorys ted talk
Such a satisfying film production. Great job.
Awesome video! Have you looked into a silvopasture? I live in NW Iowa, and my parents cash rent about 300 acres of solid land, but it has been conventionally farmed for a very long time. I would love to implement this on my family farm.
p.s. Listening that elk (I think) give its call around 26 mins... was awesome.
The soil is everything. If the quality, the science, the goal, of having great soil is not the obsession of the agriculturist then they cannot call themselves a farmer.
Nice to see that the core message of the Hippie era survived. The entire universe is fundamentally an organic entity, right down to the bacterial level and it works just fine. Tap in and take some of the load off.
Peter Clark yes. I have spent a life, cherishing, appreciating, protecting, God's flourishing gifts he's handed over to all of us, with intelligence, to manage.
Satan, through government, has been our greatest hindrance and obstacle for fulfilling His dream.
Bounty has been put in our hands.
Chem trails, geo engineering, wrongful acts remain this challenge. Look up! @14:25 Nano metals are being deployed upon our soil, daily...those clouds are not clouds. They are the weapons of mass destruction. Pentagon, U.N. the Jesuit infiltration still obstruct our efforts. Listen to Leuren Moret and what we are up against. Once we all know, we may put evil out, and move with confidence, together.
@@lindacianchetti3599 Unfortunately I don't think any god we have ever heard of has anything to do with this. When we realise that for the meantime we are truly on our own in this Universe, that every development came as a result of inspired thought subjected to analysis and modification by interested peers and becoming adopted, mainstream.
Satan, god, heaven, hell are mere distractions, suitable for weak-minded civilisations. The Scientific method is the key process and humans have yet to get even that straightforward concept utterly and deeply reliable.
ps: Spinoza, and later Einstein both called the Everything 'god' but that thought merely keeps hope alive that this super-daddy is real. Pity, but reality.
Peter Clark we are spiritual ideas made manifest. Love. How can we expect to comprehend life, truth, while insisting that the spiritual can be material? The illusion is material. The real is Spiritual. God proves His existence everywhere beauty lies. LOVE reflecting LOVE. Spiritual. Principle. Soul. Mind. Intelligence. All in All.
What appears to the senses may be a miracle mystery, ever unfolding God.
Call that what you will.
@@lindacianchetti3599 I will, thank you, in the 'lack of evidence' file. Unless there were very clear concrete indications to the contrary the idea of gods has to go down as humankind's biggest error.
Ultimately unproven belief will be revealed as just another manifestation of a flawed, cobbled-together mind created by the dull tools of natural selection. There is still potentially quite a magnificent creature inside as long as it has a great start to life, the fullest support any society can offer to educate and prepare the future adult and a system that looks after all of its successful contributors. But. It doesn't matter to this universe if we can't. There is still enough time for another hominid to rise up and overcome the limitations of our current circumstances.
ps: Love is the natural desire to becoming a part of providing for the objects of our love what they need in their lives. That is, it has to be twofold, love plus empathy. Not placing enough emphasis on the second part is what screws up many attempts. All biblical gods fails that test.
Peter Clark lack of evidence?
In the eyes of the beholder.
Evidence is everywhere...
The grateful heart, sees, feels, knows, cherishes...in awe of absolute connecting.
Such a great video. Thank you so much for sharing. I hope more farmers are able to switch to holistic management and become more profitable and less dependent on petroleum products.
Actually in all my research, I found out I am probably going to be the only person on the planet working on integrating crop production with animal husbandry quite like I plan to try.
I borrowed HM, permaculture, sheet mulching, MIRG, no till, and various other organic methods and combined them in a way that theoretically should be scale-able from anything as small as a home garden to as large as 500-1000 acres or more and adaptable to many types of crops. We will see. This is project year 1.
Would love to hear how this is working out for you.
@@theAJ111111he was the only doing it because it was a fantasy that doesn’t work very well in practice.
Ja hulle het die pad van die bestuur gekry van die natuur. Almal wat self hulle diere slag bestuur dit beter. Daar is baie ander wat hopeloos te hard op hul diere bly en dit maak dat min mense hierdie wonderlike bestuur wil volg.
Lovely documentary.It's a pity there isn't a French version of Allan Savory's Holistic management books that I could share with French farmers that don't understand English
Here is one example. Wiki editors. You wouldn't believe the trouble I have been through just getting Holistic management and Holistic management International a page. Another example: animal right activists. Unbelievable but true. I even picked up Vegan UA-cam stalkers. Another example: Meat industry advocates and conventional farming advocates hired to bad mouth organic methods in all their forms. Funny thing is I only grow veggies, and only researched holistic management to improve the farm.
ty for that libre,,,these people are so crazy trying these wild and crazy approaches...they should copy the (best practice) (sic) of the mainstream farmers,,they never go under....wait that didn't come out right...well you know what i mean.
A very educated way to say that the solution is to do as grandpa did...let the animals graze and poo on the land and leave it alone.
Excellent vid! Thanks!
I was sad to learn that Thundering Hooves had to close its doors. A good analysis complete with followup by one of the TH founders can be found by Googling "thundering hooves postmortem" (with double-quotes).
You're right, it isn't the only solution. Check out the two documentaries 'Lessons from the Loess Plateau' by John D. Liu and 'Greening the Desert' by Geoff Lawton. I suspect, that one can "tune" in everywhere on Earth into existing ecosystems and find this kind of solutions, through careful observation.
Not yet. Not much to put there yet. I just started the project this year. I haven't even harvested one crop from it yet. I don't know if it will work yet either. All I know at this point is that I am making the attempt.
How long does this documentary go for? I would like to buy it, where can i find more information.
Amazing.
Wonderful video. Sharing with everyone I know.
Can you add me as a contact so I can private message you past the contact lock?
It is staggering the resistance I am finding to this though. Seriously, on every level I am finding huge resistance.
That's awful. Industry will kill off the world if you let them.
Can you use a dog or a drone to herd the sheep or do you need electric fences?
Dogs work well, but fence is less risky and depending on the size of the herd much cheaper
This is it baby, one last roll of the dice.
Ok, it really attracts me, but, does ir work everywhere? And even mora important: is there room in the world to turn green spaces into grazing lands and still maintain or increase the meat production we do have today?
We have the technology to grow commodity crops vertically, so yes. Also- ever seen one of those big estate houses with a huge expanse of expensive to mow lawn?
Also, cows and other livestock can eat the non-grain parts of the grain plants, and should. Horses eat hay- so do cows. Cows live twice as long at times on a non-grain diet. In addition, chickens are often slaughtered before egg production because the operation views there as being little to no need for that- the dirty truth is that non-diversified operations kill millions regularly, which could be given to other countries or urban operations. I think part of this might be due to them being genetically modified before it was made legal, but I'm not sure. Tyson chickens to me look a bit like turkeys with their feet being so huge...
If you gave every person in the world a couple of chicks to raise they would probably have leftovers... Also- little known fact- Chickens hunt rats/mice or at least eat them... I've seen them swallow them whole.
Chickens count as pets so they can be kept by people who live in cities...
Highways often have huge swaths of land which are overgrown (release goats upon them)
Huge bits of land are wasted for power plants (more goats/cows)
Bacterial infections only happen because they are kept knee deep in their own shit. People like monopolies, and it is ingrained into people that they have no choice but to sell their baby calves to feedlots. If they kept them/sold them to individuals (single cow per family) they could even be kept on others land, with the promise of sharing products/product returns.
We even have the tech to grow shit in the Sahara, and all the seawater in the world to make a greenhouse humid. We even have the tech to turn the Sahara into an actual tropical paradise. It's only a matter of manpower, since the equipment is actually very simple and readily available. All you need are inland seas and surrounding higher land to cool the warm moist air created, organic matter spread out with various cohabiting plants, and wildlife will help maintain the composting of such an area naturally with their death/decay and fertilizer.
Beautiful photography
The first operation talked about in this video went under.
He didnt make enough money?
does this work in places where there is snow 6 months of the year?
Yes, the management plan is unique to each property considering many variables.
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Certainly. I already started.
There are several portions of this video that pose problems for HM:
1. North American landscapes developed grasslands due to fire and grazing, not just grazing. In the absence of that vital ecological process grasslands degrade. Nothing about HM incorporates fire which means it cannot mimic natural processes. There are elements of fire that cannot be mimiced through other management actions, including grazing.
2. The pastures in the video showed almost nothing but non-native introduced species. Clovers, timothy, brome, and others are not native to our landscape. They do however respond well when promoted by high nitrogen inputs, making them an artificial system that requires input.
3. Weeds. First off making a cow eat weeds is foolish. Plants like milkweed and thistles have toxic chemicals in them that make cows sick. Self selected grazing, where cows are allowed to eat what they want, gives them the maximum nutrition and maximizes their growth. Secondly, weeds thrive in unhealthy systems - that's why they're there in the first place. Weeds exploit available niches in a habitat. In a healthy native system you see few weeds because niches are filled and those systems reduce germination of weed seeds.
4. The sheep farmers mentioned bringing in feed for the sheep. That's a sure fire sign that they are overstocking their pasture. A healthy grazing system shouldn't require outside feed to be brought in. This has been one of the significant criticisms of Savory systems in the literature is animals requiring significant supplementation and inputs after coming off a Savory grazing system.
5. A grazing system works only if it works during drought. If you take a serious look at Savory practicioners on the landscape you'll see that when drought strikes they face massive required inputs and destock their herds quickly. That doesn't sound like a sustainable system for anyone.
Overall I'm not against grazing, I'm against selling someone a fake bill of goods, which is what HM represents. Choose which side of the HM science you want to believe but the science that I've seen demonstrates that Savory's methods don't work. Practicioners that I've worked with tend to be die-hard believers but regardless of their belief they end up feeding hay and destocking in hard times.
If you want a system that truly makes the land more healthy, gives cattle good gains, and restores habitat for wildlife, look into patch burn grazing. That actually works!
So you don't have to destock pastures during drought with patch burn? Or feed hay in the winter?
Patch burn has built in drought protection because the main focus of grazing in the burned patch. It leaves 2/3 of the pasture unburned and available to graze in the event that drought hits.
Winter feeding of hay is another issue. The general patch burn model focuses on summer pasture only and doesn't account for winter grazing. However, my impression from the video was not that it was winter feeding of hay, my assumption from the way they talked about it was that it was not winter when the feed was brought in.
Nate Walker Have you read Savory's book? The book includes fire as a management tool...and setting aside portions of the farm not just for drought reserve but to allow an opportunity for increased diversity...by varying the usage.
Is your issue with Savory's concept of holistic management, with the video itself or with people who claim or desire holistic management but fall short?
I mostly take issue with the overall concept. The studies I've seen have disproven it time and time again. You are right though that I have not read the book. I've met several practitioners, and read extensively about others, and have not been impressed with the methods of any of them. I also have several people I know who have vetted Savory's ideas and came out of it crying snake oil!
If fire is included in the book that's quite surprising because I've never heard anyone mention fire in concert with Savory.
What have you seen for results using Savory's methods? I'm curious what another practitioner has to say.
+Nate Walker I'm not buying anything you say, when ANYONE mentions grain as feed for any ruminant that is a sure sign they know nothing about how nature works. Other than keeping woody plants in check what other benefit does fire bring to pasture management? And in time of drought nature destocks the land so why is having to destock it a crime. HM is trying to mimic nature, mob grazing, rotational grazing whatever you want to call it, works to restore the land, People like Judy, and Salatin and Savory have proved it. If you are reading "studies" that prove otherwise, please post the studies here for all to see.
Got website?
What the heck is the “social” aspect of grazing? You act like there is some tangible cultural thing to worry about. What does that mean? I can’t wear my cowboy hat when I work in the farm?
James, good question! In some of Alan Savory's other videos, he talks about how, in certain areas of the world, in order to gather ENOUGH animals to utilize his managed grazing system, ALL the village livestock must be gathered together. It's THAT social element I believe is referred to with that comment. A local custom in some regions is for all the animals to wander at will...negotiating, educating, village gatherings, social contacts & contracts have been required to adjust the local customs to this way of regenerating the soil/land. It usually begins by local folks admitting that there is a serious problem (shortage of food for people & animals) and going from there proposing a solution that others are finding successful. You can wear your cowboy hat anywhere you'd like to! ;D