This was really great! You mentioning openings in chess got me thinking that it'd be cool to see you make a series of short videos explaining the reasoning behind certain joseki. Sort of like GothamChess's 10min openings videos for chess.
I played chess when I was a kid and while I was better then as I studied it I'm still a decent player and can beat most people that don't actively study it. One of my friends who I've beaten in chess numerous times asked me to play Go and I'm always up for new strategy games but he didn't tell me he's played Go before and he pretended to be new and crushed me as he knew the strategy. So now I basically feel a need to study Go to teach him a lesson -.- thank you for the video and your other videos as now I have a burning need to get good at Go.
One difference between the two games is that in Chess, every piece and pawn is extremely important and a sacrifice should only be made in very specific circumstances. As a Chess player, I find it hard to give up stones in Go and am guilty of trying to save them all. I am working on this habit!
as someone who loves go but is playing chess because all their friends are playing it, this video is really reassuring because as i play chess i'm like "oh god am i neglecting my go skills?" probably, but i feel a bit at ease now knowing some of the skills are transferrable 😆
FINALLY i'm beggining to understand the areas on the board, i tried learning go like 15 years ago but couldn't comprehend much of how you capture areas, the eyes thing were always explained in a small exercise just showing how you can't capture stones that way, but now i'm starting to see a bigger picture great video and i'm not a chess player at all, i always wanted to learn go because of the hikaru no go anime
I started watching your channel like 2 years ago to get into Go and I liked your channel way more than any other Go UA-cam channel. You're concise, and articulate. And yet, I don't see any growth on your channel?! I'm so shocked. I thought "surely this channel will blowup" especially during covid. I hope it becomes very successful for you.
I really like the positive and constructive attitude of trying to unite Chess and Igo instead of have them compete for space. Mindsports in general need to become more popular, make the pie bigger rather than fight for scraps of a small pie.
@@MikianF - it’s been awhile. I may be mixing Netflix with You-Tube shows. But the first thing I saw was the computer challenge a “grandmaster”(?) on Go. They finally developed a machine that beat the top human in Go. Then, I believe there was one - again, it could be on you-tube, where a couple Americans were competing in Go tournaments and how obsessed they were with the game. Of course, the very first time I ever saw Go was in the movie “A Beautiful Mind”.
On Netflix (and also on UA-cam) there is the movie about the 5 game challenge between alphago and Lee Sedol. (Alphago - The Movie) Great movie in my opinion. The development of an ai that can finally beat top professional players has been a ground shaking revolution in the go world. The other movie quoted, that about the obsessive pursue of "go professional" status by a group of American guys is called " the surrounding game" (literal translation of "weiqi", Chinese name for go).
hi: the thing is: I like go, but I treat it like quick games. A 9x9 is in fact short and sweet. It is both more complex, but also simpler than chess. Chess has openings by rote memorization. Go openings are much less regimented and you can look and see how to stake out or challenge a territory. It is hard to stake out a territory, so it is harder than chess, but it is less burdensome than chess because there isn't some sneaky trap that is built into a game like chess where if you don't know the opening, you get trapped in an unpleasant way. You can still get owned just has hard as you get own in chess, but at least you have a fighting chance and it was not some predetermined path to getting slammed. Go is more complex, but a 9x9 is quick but still a good challenge. It is also good for a quick short game, that you can pop in real quick for a quick game.
minor nitpick, but jumps are usually named by the number of spaces between the stones, so what you called a two space jump is normally referred to as a one space jump. placing a stone next to your own stone is called an extension rather than a zero space jump. otherwise great video! I only played chess a little bit when I was a kid, so it's fascinating to see how chess players think of go.
In chess, you have a basic ruleset for openings: 1. develop each piece while moving it only once if possible, 2. castle, 3. connect your rooks. There are many sequences to do just that, and most of them have fancy names, but the basic principle holds. What helped me as a chess player to start with go was a comparable ruleset, and I found it in the Clossi approach. It's comparably simple, if you don't know it I suggest you check it out: shawnsgogroup.wordpress.com/theclossiapproach/
My couch said: Queen's Gambit is the only fake gambit in chess. It is fake because white got the pawn always back. It is only a trade, but black should not take the pawn immediately, because it reliefs tension. But most gambits should be accepted, if you are patient enough to play carefully. There will be problems to be solved and tricks to be noticed, but accepting a gambit is the most promising way.
@@leonchess2779 Yes, when my girlfriend and me had trouble, I slept on that couch and I dreamed about chess. All I know about chess was told me by furniture. I bet Magnus Carlsen's secret is IKEA. Or that is the reason why I'm not a GM.
I'm pretty strong tactically for my level, so falling to the gambit you describe hasn't hurt me enough that I had studied it deeply. But I have been aware that I've often been at a strategic disadvantage. This definitely closes a lot of that gap for me. Now, seeing it played out, I'll be better able to weigh the investment I'm making in early-game defense. Thanks so much!
Damnnn you had me at 'It's a little bit like Starcraft'. Just discovered this channel wanting to get into GO and you're obviously a legend! So nice to hear SC being mentioned in a GO video :D How much does calculation factor into GO like in chess? Played a few games when I was younger with my fam, but never really sat down and tried to properly understand the strategies and whatever so this is all new to me. Thanks !
One big difference between Go and Chess is the type of cognition that's central to the game. Until the higher levels of play, Chess relies alot on highly analytical types of cognition, being able to calculate combinations that will bring advantages over the opponent. This is one reason that computers could beat Chess grandmasters using simple brute force approaches, whereas Go engine developers had to rely on neural networks, similar to the type used to recognize faces or objects.
Ooh what channel is this now?! Subscribed. Though I admit I like learning go on my own, without formal training (just my preference for this game). Around 11k these days
Oh yeah, in my first 19x19 game I was so happy to have captured a large group of stones, however my opponent had meanwhile completely taken over the rest of the board and there was nothing I could do..
9:21 keeping it basic any major mistake pushes f6 what a pure swagger lady😎😎👏👏 , joking its mistake cause u are hindering the devlopement of knight and opening up diagonal to king and creating whole light square weaknesses, i guess u were thinking about the "london system" with white in u forn that pyramid but instead of f,e and d pawns u have c,d and e pawn this is fine as u don't open up the diagonal and for the moment queen take control of light square also move order depends a lot on what black plays yeah its common and beginer friendly opening also played at the master level its good and solid . Idea is to get dark square dominance thats it ofcourse its easier said than done when u realise black also get turns. I think chess is pretty different for various reason king safety, lack muvering, no diagonals some simlarities ard there though conected pawns is like two having everything conected in go having every piece defended,take more space and what not but i am pretty that lack of king and stone lack of mobilty will change things up but u know what i would be more happy to see a different game with its own conmplexities and beauty and truly find some masterpieces of position then just an older version of chess. Thank u have a nice day :D
This was really great! You mentioning openings in chess got me thinking that it'd be cool to see you make a series of short videos explaining the reasoning behind certain joseki. Sort of like GothamChess's 10min openings videos for chess.
that would be really fascinating
Its funny, i quite playing chess last year when i found go. Now i go back and i blew through my previous rating. Thank you for the video
Same here :)
I played chess when I was a kid and while I was better then as I studied it I'm still a decent player and can beat most people that don't actively study it. One of my friends who I've beaten in chess numerous times asked me to play Go and I'm always up for new strategy games but he didn't tell me he's played Go before and he pretended to be new and crushed me as he knew the strategy.
So now I basically feel a need to study Go to teach him a lesson -.- thank you for the video and your other videos as now I have a burning need to get good at Go.
One difference between the two games is that in Chess, every piece and pawn is extremely important and a sacrifice should only be made in very specific circumstances. As a Chess player, I find it hard to give up stones in Go and am guilty of trying to save them all. I am working on this habit!
You become a lot better at the game when you start to understand and use the concepts of aji and sacrifice in games
I mean, gambits are pretty important in chess.
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 Both Bobby Fisher and Paul Morphy were known for using alot of sacrifices to win.
@@Magnulus76 You forget the GOAT of sacrifices, Mikhail tal!
Nice!! The chess moves might not have been “kosher” but the comparisons and explanations were on point. Very helpful video, thank you! :)
as someone who loves go but is playing chess because all their friends are playing it, this video is really reassuring because as i play chess i'm like "oh god am i neglecting my go skills?" probably, but i feel a bit at ease now knowing some of the skills are transferrable 😆
FINALLY i'm beggining to understand the areas on the board, i tried learning go like 15 years ago but couldn't comprehend much of how you capture areas, the eyes thing were always explained in a small exercise just showing how you can't capture stones that way, but now i'm starting to see a bigger picture
great video
and i'm not a chess player at all, i always wanted to learn go because of the hikaru no go anime
Great video! You're my Go to channel on Go ever since I started playing a year ago! :D I learn a lot from you, keep on posting :)
I started watching your channel like 2 years ago to get into Go and I liked your channel way more than any other Go UA-cam channel. You're concise, and articulate. And yet, I don't see any growth on your channel?! I'm so shocked. I thought "surely this channel will blowup" especially during covid. I hope it becomes very successful for you.
I really like the positive and constructive attitude of trying to unite Chess and Igo instead of have them compete for space. Mindsports in general need to become more popular, make the pie bigger rather than fight for scraps of a small pie.
Combining them is fun to. Try playing a simul with another person where you alternate moves on a go board and a chess board :)
Saw the netflix show on Go, got interested and gave it a try. Now I alternate between the two - chess and Go.
Theres a netflix show about go??? I've heard of hikaru no go but thats it
Is there a Netflix show on Go?
@@MikianF - it’s been awhile. I may be mixing Netflix with You-Tube shows. But the first thing I saw was the computer challenge a “grandmaster”(?) on Go. They finally developed a machine that beat the top human in Go.
Then, I believe there was one - again, it could be on you-tube, where a couple Americans were competing in Go tournaments and how obsessed they were with the game.
Of course, the very first time I ever saw Go was in the movie “A Beautiful Mind”.
On Netflix (and also on UA-cam) there is the movie about the 5 game challenge between alphago and Lee Sedol. (Alphago - The Movie) Great movie in my opinion. The development of an ai that can finally beat top professional players has been a ground shaking revolution in the go world.
The other movie quoted, that about the obsessive pursue of "go professional" status by a group of American guys is called " the surrounding game" (literal translation of "weiqi", Chinese name for go).
@@Zummes thanks! unfortunately I can't find the second full movie anywhere :(
Thank you for this video! These are very insightful comparisons that you're making!
hi: the thing is: I like go, but I treat it like quick games. A 9x9 is in fact short and sweet. It is both more complex, but also simpler than chess. Chess has openings by rote memorization. Go openings are much less regimented and you can look and see how to stake out or challenge a territory. It is hard to stake out a territory, so it is harder than chess, but it is less burdensome than chess because there isn't some sneaky trap that is built into a game like chess where if you don't know the opening, you get trapped in an unpleasant way. You can still get owned just has hard as you get own in chess, but at least you have a fighting chance and it was not some predetermined path to getting slammed. Go is more complex, but a 9x9 is quick but still a good challenge. It is also good for a quick short game, that you can pop in real quick for a quick game.
This was incredibly helpful , thank you
minor nitpick, but jumps are usually named by the number of spaces between the stones, so what you called a two space jump is normally referred to as a one space jump. placing a stone next to your own stone is called an extension rather than a zero space jump.
otherwise great video! I only played chess a little bit when I was a kid, so it's fascinating to see how chess players think of go.
Go has definitely changed my understanding of chess. Still mediocre at both :)
Me too
Very inspiring video, regards from Portugal
In chess, you have a basic ruleset for openings: 1. develop each piece while moving it only once if possible, 2. castle, 3. connect your rooks. There are many sequences to do just that, and most of them have fancy names, but the basic principle holds.
What helped me as a chess player to start with go was a comparable ruleset, and I found it in the Clossi approach. It's comparably simple, if you don't know it I suggest you check it out: shawnsgogroup.wordpress.com/theclossiapproach/
My couch said: Queen's Gambit is the only fake gambit in chess. It is fake because white got the pawn always back. It is only a trade, but black should not take the pawn immediately, because it reliefs tension. But most gambits should be accepted, if you are patient enough to play carefully. There will be problems to be solved and tricks to be noticed, but accepting a gambit is the most promising way.
Your couch said all that?
@@leonchess2779 Yes, when my girlfriend and me had trouble, I slept on that couch and I dreamed about chess. All I know about chess was told me by furniture. I bet Magnus Carlsen's secret is IKEA. Or that is the reason why I'm not a GM.
I'm pretty strong tactically for my level, so falling to the gambit you describe hasn't hurt me enough that I had studied it deeply. But I have been aware that I've often been at a strategic disadvantage. This definitely closes a lot of that gap for me.
Now, seeing it played out, I'll be better able to weigh the investment I'm making in early-game defense. Thanks so much!
I'm trying to teach go to my colleagues and this is full of good recommendations for when they'll be ready to try bigger boards!
I like the way you explain rules. I would love to see more puzzles from your faviourite books and how you solve them.
been waiting for this video!
Thank you! Im a chess player, and this just helped me a lot.
geeat video, thank you for this! what kind of go program do you use ?
Damnnn you had me at 'It's a little bit like Starcraft'. Just discovered this channel wanting to get into GO and you're obviously a legend! So nice to hear SC being mentioned in a GO video :D How much does calculation factor into GO like in chess? Played a few games when I was younger with my fam, but never really sat down and tried to properly understand the strategies and whatever so this is all new to me. Thanks !
One big difference between Go and Chess is the type of cognition that's central to the game. Until the higher levels of play, Chess relies alot on highly analytical types of cognition, being able to calculate combinations that will bring advantages over the opponent. This is one reason that computers could beat Chess grandmasters using simple brute force approaches, whereas Go engine developers had to rely on neural networks, similar to the type used to recognize faces or objects.
great series! Thanks
Ooh what channel is this now?! Subscribed. Though I admit I like learning go on my own, without formal training (just my preference for this game). Around 11k these days
Thank you so much for this video!
when you said "maintain the tension" i instantly thought of Josh Waitzkin. lol
Chess is a battle field and Go is a war with a lot of battle fields.
I play Go so this helps me understand Chess because I can't understand Chess at all . . .
I am guilty of “chasing” those captures at the expense of developing area.
Oh yeah, in my first 19x19 game I was so happy to have captured a large group of stones, however my opponent had meanwhile completely taken over the rest of the board and there was nothing I could do..
Feels crazy saying this but I think I might like Go even more than Chess… crazy how good the game it is!
12:30 and so prepared situations are hard to understand or analyse for a beginner because I don't understand what my mistake was. 😄
I really enjoy,TNX
Can advanced go players play blindfolded like advanced chess players can?
No, It's too big and complicated.
keima is to knights move, long keima?
one space extension?
I only play 9x9. I am a chess player. But, I like 9x9 go. 19xc19 is too long of a gam.
9:21 keeping it basic any major mistake pushes f6 what a pure swagger lady😎😎👏👏 , joking its mistake cause u are hindering the devlopement of knight and opening up diagonal to king and creating whole light square weaknesses, i guess u were thinking about the "london system" with white in u forn that pyramid but instead of f,e and d pawns u have c,d and e pawn this is fine as u don't open up the diagonal and for the moment queen take control of light square also move order depends a lot on what black plays yeah its common and beginer friendly opening also played at the master level its good and solid . Idea is to get dark square dominance thats it ofcourse its easier said than done when u realise black also get turns. I think chess is pretty different for various reason king safety, lack muvering, no diagonals some simlarities ard there though conected pawns is like two having everything conected in go having every piece defended,take more space and what not but i am pretty that lack of king and stone lack of mobilty will change things up but u know what i would be more happy to see a different game with its own conmplexities and beauty and truly find some masterpieces of position then just an older version of chess. Thank u have a nice day :D
Beautiful and smart girl!
Hi! can you play a game with me on kgs sometime ?
The best way would be to ignore go and play chess.