Magnificent! It is gratifying to see how you managed to improve an ordinary battery and expand its capacity by 50% without visible modifications. I have seen that some modify unused batteries to be able to connect them to AC with a notebook charger, it is possible to do it with the battery you show in the video. There are times when I'm home and the batteries are completely discharged, I need to do some quick work and it would be great to be able to plug it into AC and get started right away. In the videos I have seen the batteries only have a positive and negative cable, but Einhell and Parkside have batteries with similar structures. Thanks for your time.
It is very nice if you can do it (not difficult), a good experience btw. But honestly, with all the respect I wouldn't do that transition of 1000mAh. It costs more than if you would buy a 4000mAh. Now the process of upgrading your battery is what it is all this movie about... Well done 👍🏼
@@hehuha93 You’re right for the cheap ones, but for these six browns with QR on them you have to pay three times as much, as this is one of the few decent brands of Lithium ion batteries behind the Great Wall and Firewall.
Great conversion but problem is that these 300mah batteries have a max 20A discharge rate. Lower 2000-2500 mah can go up to 30-35A discharge. The battery discharge rate is more important as this will give your tool power. Now you have 5x18650 say 20volt at 20A discharge is max 400watt discharge power. when using a 2000mah or 2500mah at 30A the discharge rate is 20V x 30A = 600 watt. Using these batteries the battery does last longer but your tool has far less power.
U are right, but Parkside DC motor can not stand 20A+ current. In this case the higher capacity is better than the higher discharge rate because it lasts longer.😉
@@norbithehun it's about peak power not continuous. When you press the button then the voltage will drop a lot and the tool will disable itself. Also the batteries has a max output of 20A but it is a peak current and not continuous their capacity drops when more current is pulled and this leads to lower capacity (and higher voltage drop). When the battery is left without using it then it will restore it's capacity in some time. Except when your tool needs a low power let's say a LED lamp then you will need more capacity so it can last longer. That is the reason the performance batteries are 21700 cells because they have more current output and greater capacity at higher current draw (again not for the huge capacity ones like 5Ah+).
Parkside batteries have a lower capacity than 18650HG2 but have lower internal resistance than 18650HG2 produced in China, so an original Parkside battery supports higher currents than 18650HG2.
Did you reset the fuel gauge ic in the battery pack or is this a simple bms without fuel gauge? (fuel gauge= the ic logging the decreasing battery capacity and not letting more charge in than the decreased capacity)
@@power3516 I wouldn't trust that Chinese rating. I will only be for relatively short pulses. You need a high CDC Continuous Discharge Current rating. The are no standards for a pulse rating. The original cells performance is very similar to the Samsung 25Q
, The issue is that the highest energy density available today is 3500mAh. However, these batteries can only discharge at around 10A. For power tools, you typically need more like 20-30A. That drops the energy density to around 2000mAh. So basically what you see here is someone using cells that are working outside their designed range, quickly reducing it's capacity. Likely not something you want to do....
I've done the same with the 12V version, but the main aim was achieve the same power of the 4Ah version using less resistance cells, I used the Sony VTC-5, everything went well: low weight and high power.
Hi, friend. Just a question: the VTC5 is a high drain battery (30 amps) commonly used in vaping devices and it is completely different from the 18650's used in flashlights or in laser pointers, which are low drain batteries (maybe around 4 amps). Does it make any difference between using high or low drain batteries to do this type of update to our drill battery? I've heard if you don't use the proper battery, you could have some problems, maybe overheating while using it or something else "not good" for your drill, but IDK it for sure, so i'm asking. What do you think?
@@N8SANZ the lower the impedance the better current battery, the motors are really hungry of current :) If you use low current battery the tool is weak, the manufacturer usually give the possibility to use a bigger battery with parallels of 2 or more elements, in this case is not so critical the quality of the single cell.
Use high drain cells ! The higher Ah is not usefull ! High drain and not the high Ah (with worse not low inner resistant) cells. Ok ? If you spot weld try to weld 3 times to contact the nickel plate for better electril current. But 2 times spot weldeing is common.
@@handballfield6326 a cordless drill when in use, like drilling concrete or metal, draws a lot of current. if you use low discharge current cells, the tool will not have the demanded power and will stop all the time. the higher the capacity of a battery (say 3500mah) the lower the discharge current. you want a cell that both has higher capacitry and high discharge current. 18650 have reached 4000mah in capacity but with only 4amps of discharge. this battery is only suited for a flashlight where discharge current is already low. for a power tool, you can get a 3000 mah battery with 30 amp discharge current.
The 2ah battery has current limiting. Should have done this to the 4ah battery pack instead. In truth the Parkside 18650 are excellent value for money and have a 3 year warranty.
LiitoKala HD2 = 3000mA/4A for Lamps. Not suitable for power tools LiitoKala Lii-31S+ =3100mA/35A The Best battery for Power Tools Parkside Original =2000mA/20A for engines
Hi. This kind of cells are not good enough for replacing. Better way is vtc5. I have checked it view times in my battery. After a while of using capacity is going down so much that I have to replace it again.
I just use these Lidl packs for cells to replace the dead cells in my old Ryobi 2.4Ah 10 cell packs, making them 4Ah..... my last few cost £7.50 per 2Ah pack £15 per Ryobi upgrade versus £70+ from Ryobi... for new.
i heard that changing battery will reset electronic and it need to be reprogram. Is it true? Also i heard that you can use same BMS to covert 2Ah pack to 4Ah.
You could probably just completely tape over the terminals with kapton tape right before you close it up and get the same effect. I think the stickers are mostly just to keep water out from rusting the casing.
the bms is only battery number specific and voltage specific. going from 2ah batteries to 4ah batteries woill work fine with the bms cause you don't change the number of cells and you still remain to 18v nominal voltage.
Nice idea - but is it economical? I pay 39 Euro for the battery pack with 4 Ah and it supports Bluetooth and is with Garanten quality and warranty… so why should I take a risk? Use your old battery pack as long it works - and then replace it. This modification could burn your house down.
It looks like I replaced it only by looking at the battery specifications, but it probably won't work. Cells with a higher discharge amount should be used.
Brilliant to upgrade cheap discount battery? Nope Do the new cells have the same high drain capability? For broken battery okay but upgrade? Sure not Many times the PCB has a lithium fuel gauge and prevents more capacity
Оригинальные на 2000 лучше, они специальные которые большой ток дают. А те что 3000 то китайцы вам могут написать и 30 000, но обещать не значит жениться. Ни один производитель не решится поставлять плохие аккумуляторы такому крупному клиенту как Lidl.
It is not even any close to dangerous. Is low voltage high current. Low voltage can't pass trough your hands. We are talking less than 20V. Harmless. Just don't put the terminals in your tongue (I mean it). Wet places are more conductive 😁
I upgraded my Parkside 2Ah battery pack.Output 20+ volts.But drill machine not run.,and can't charge.(red and green light)All battery 3000 mAh ,fully charged.All same voltage.Fuse good. I dont understand why?
Round stickers are insulators, because the case of the battery is a negative terminal and the edge is very close to the positive terminal. The cable is a temperature sensor that cuts off the battery power if cells get too hot.
@@mirekdudka9071 a gdyby tak kupić 2 baterie 2000 mah i skleić taśmą od strony dupy?Byłaby bateria 4000 mah tylko grubsza. W lidlu kosztuje 65 zł. Bardziej się opłaca.
I made it easier. I printed an enlarged case on a 3D printer. I connected 5 more cans of batteries in parallel. The capacity has increased from 2 to 4 ampere hours. The disadvantage is that the battery has become 2 times heavier! But the pulse current increased. Even with a discharged battery, the saw really saws, and does not get stuck in a tree. ru: Я сделал проще. Напечатал на 3D принтере увеличенный корпус. Подключил параллельно еще 5 банок аккумуляторов. Емкость увеличилась с 2 до 4 ампер часов. Недостаток, аккумулятор стал в 2 раза тяжелей! Зато импульсный ток увеличился. Даже с разряженным аккумулятором пила реально пилит, а не вязнет в дереве.
Hi Friend.. I have converted most of my tools to run on the Hitachi platform. Most are very easy just connect the negative/positive but some tools have additional connectors.for example.. erbaur tools have plus/minus and VC..How do I connect these? Thanks
you know whats funny those new batteries would have cost more than buying a new battery lmao! also if you need more power buy the bigger battery the small and the large batteries are cheaper than any other brand out there so i dont know why you would waste time doing this.
Sale mas barato y mas facil comprar la de 4ah, vale 30€ y todo lo que necesitas mas las pilas y la bateria te sale por mas de 50. Para arreglar baterias rotas pase, pero lo veo absurdisimo
3000 replace 2000 without iny chamge in charge circut ??? secomd thing im my battery pack i found wire from one battery to main board all in serious but this wire from the joint of two battery why???
with the present board that you put the new batteries on could you have went to 4000 batteries?? could it handle it as long as the charge and discharge are the same?
good to see someone who know what's his doing ! this spot welder is pretty good to !!!!
Magnificent! It is gratifying to see how you managed to improve an ordinary battery and expand its capacity by 50% without visible modifications.
I have seen that some modify unused batteries to be able to connect them to AC with a notebook charger, it is possible to do it with the battery you show in the video.
There are times when I'm home and the batteries are completely discharged, I need to do some quick work and it would be great to be able to plug it into AC and get started right away.
In the videos I have seen the batteries only have a positive and negative cable, but Einhell and Parkside have batteries with similar structures.
Thanks for your time.
It turns to bad way.
Very sophisticatedly executed.
It is very nice if you can do it (not difficult), a good experience btw. But honestly, with all the respect I wouldn't do that transition of 1000mAh. It costs more than if you would buy a 4000mAh. Now the process of upgrading your battery is what it is all this movie about... Well done 👍🏼
absolutely not mate. The chinese 18650 are like 6usd together.
@@hehuha93 You’re right for the cheap ones, but for these six browns with QR on them you have to pay three times as much, as this is one of the few decent brands of Lithium ion batteries behind the Great Wall and Firewall.
@@nakarada Judging from a very quick and dirty Google search, I'm making the assumption that these are actually rebranded LG cells.
Great conversion but problem is that these 300mah batteries have a max 20A discharge rate. Lower 2000-2500 mah can go up to 30-35A discharge.
The battery discharge rate is more important as this will give your tool power.
Now you have 5x18650 say 20volt at 20A discharge is max 400watt discharge power.
when using a 2000mah or 2500mah at 30A the discharge rate is 20V x 30A = 600 watt.
Using these batteries the battery does last longer but your tool has far less power.
U are right, but Parkside DC motor can not stand 20A+ current. In this case the higher capacity is better than the higher discharge rate because it lasts longer.😉
@@norbithehun it's about peak power not continuous. When you press the button then the voltage will drop a lot and the tool will disable itself. Also the batteries has a max output of 20A but it is a peak current and not continuous their capacity drops when more current is pulled and this leads to lower capacity (and higher voltage drop). When the battery is left without using it then it will restore it's capacity in some time. Except when your tool needs a low power let's say a LED lamp then you will need more capacity so it can last longer. That is the reason the performance batteries are 21700 cells because they have more current output and greater capacity at higher current draw (again not for the huge capacity ones like 5Ah+).
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Parkside batteries have a lower capacity than 18650HG2 but have lower internal resistance than 18650HG2 produced in China, so an original Parkside battery supports higher currents than 18650HG2.
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Watched it, understood it, absolutely positive I'm not able to do it... :)
Did you reset the fuel gauge ic in the battery pack or is this a simple bms without fuel gauge? (fuel gauge= the ic logging the decreasing battery capacity and not letting more charge in than the decreased capacity)
How to do this? Because that’s exactly the problem I have.
For power tools usually use higher burst battery that is why sacrifice capacity. The cells should be capable of 20A discharge rate.
According to the link in the description the new cells are 30A rated
@@power3516 I wouldn't trust that Chinese rating. I will only be for relatively short pulses. You need a high CDC Continuous Discharge Current rating. The are no standards for a pulse rating. The original cells performance is very similar to the Samsung 25Q
what mean capable of 20A discharge rate
, The issue is that the highest energy density available today is 3500mAh. However, these batteries can only discharge at around 10A. For power tools, you typically need more like 20-30A. That drops the energy density to around 2000mAh. So basically what you see here is someone using cells that are working outside their designed range, quickly reducing it's capacity. Likely not something you want to do....
I've done the same with the 12V version, but the main aim was achieve the same power of the 4Ah version using less resistance cells, I used the Sony VTC-5, everything went well: low weight and high power.
Hi, friend. Just a question: the VTC5 is a high drain battery (30 amps) commonly used in vaping devices and it is completely different from the 18650's used in flashlights or in laser pointers, which are low drain batteries (maybe around 4 amps). Does it make any difference between using high or low drain batteries to do this type of update to our drill battery? I've heard if you don't use the proper battery, you could have some problems, maybe overheating while using it or something else "not good" for your drill, but IDK it for sure, so i'm asking. What do you think?
@@N8SANZ the lower the impedance the better current battery, the motors are really hungry of current :)
If you use low current battery the tool is weak, the manufacturer usually give the possibility to use a bigger battery with parallels of 2 or more elements, in this case is not so critical the quality of the single cell.
Use high drain cells !
The higher Ah is not usefull !
High drain and not the high Ah (with worse not low inner resistant) cells.
Ok ?
If you spot weld try to weld 3 times to contact the nickel plate for better electril current.
But 2 times spot weldeing is common.
@@callishandy8133 Why the higher Ah is not usefull?
does not increase the duration of operation of the tool??
@@handballfield6326 a cordless drill when in use, like drilling concrete or metal, draws a lot of current. if you use low discharge current cells, the tool will not have the demanded power and will stop all the time. the higher the capacity of a battery (say 3500mah) the lower the discharge current. you want a cell that both has higher capacitry and high discharge current. 18650 have reached 4000mah in capacity but with only 4amps of discharge. this battery is only suited for a flashlight where discharge current is already low. for a power tool, you can get a 3000 mah battery with 30 amp discharge current.
Nicely done! However you can buy a 3Ah battery for £15.00 , how much did all this cost?
The 2ah battery has current limiting. Should have done this to the 4ah battery pack instead. In truth the Parkside 18650 are excellent value for money and have a 3 year warranty.
Better to wait till batteries are sold at 50% discount. I have joined two batteries together as they were selling them for £7.50 each
LOL.. I did the exact same thing!
I just 3D printed a new battery case to hold the doubled up batteries
Great video ! 👍
Speeding up film is a good idea. San commentry, let the actions speak .......👍👌
Creative video, thanks for sharing :)
LiitoKala HD2 = 3000mA/4A for Lamps. Not suitable for power tools
LiitoKala Lii-31S+ =3100mA/35A
The Best battery for Power Tools
Parkside Original =2000mA/20A for engines
Hi! Have U tried LiitoKala Lii-31s+ batteries with DL24P? And what is the internal resistance of the Lii-31s+?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Hi. This kind of cells are not good enough for replacing. Better way is vtc5. I have checked it view times in my battery. After a while of using capacity is going down so much that I have to replace it again.
What glue you use for the thermocable ?
Dear friend tell us about how is changed your tool after this upgrade, overall the performance, thank for sharing
good job how you safely put an extra cover for the positive site of the batery because people dont know how explosive are
I just use these Lidl packs for cells to replace the dead cells in my old Ryobi 2.4Ah 10 cell packs, making them 4Ah..... my last few cost £7.50 per 2Ah pack £15 per Ryobi upgrade versus £70+ from Ryobi... for new.
how long did last oem pack
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Thanks for the helpful videos, we will wait for the next videos👍⚡️💪
upgraded the capacity but probably not the discharge current which imho is the main drawback of these 5s1p batteries
Parabéns, o melhor trabalho que eu acompanhei aqui no UA-cam...
i heard that changing battery will reset electronic and it need to be reprogram. Is it true? Also i heard that you can use same BMS to covert 2Ah pack to 4Ah.
This is not true.
Inside drills not exist memory IC's.
In laptop battery's - Yes.
Hi, great video. Do you have a link to purchase the round insulation stickers please.
You could probably just completely tape over the terminals with kapton tape right before you close it up and get the same effect. I think the stickers are mostly just to keep water out from rusting the casing.
Does the 2A bms work with 2x5 liitokala (to6A battery)? Someone said the 2A bms not same as a 4A bms!? Thanks…
the bms is only battery number specific and voltage specific. going from 2ah batteries to 4ah batteries woill work fine with the bms cause you don't change the number of cells and you still remain to 18v nominal voltage.
Excellent Job, but for 15€ more You can buy a 4A (comp. to the 2A)
These are smaller than 4 ah and lighter
Nice idea - but is it economical? I pay 39 Euro for the battery pack with 4 Ah and it supports Bluetooth and is with Garanten quality and warranty… so why should I take a risk?
Use your old battery pack as long it works - and then replace it. This modification could burn your house down.
Pretty neat job! Well done!
It looks like I replaced it only by looking at the battery specifications, but it probably won't work. Cells with a higher discharge amount should be used.
20A
@@georgi479 That is peak not continuous.
Wow! What a brilliant mod! Such a good job!
Brilliant to upgrade cheap discount battery? Nope
Do the new cells have the same high drain capability?
For broken battery okay but upgrade? Sure not
Many times the PCB has a lithium fuel gauge and prevents more capacity
Оригинальные на 2000 лучше, они специальные которые большой ток дают. А те что 3000 то китайцы вам могут написать и 30 000, но обещать не значит жениться. Ни один производитель не решится поставлять плохие аккумуляторы такому крупному клиенту как Lidl.
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Thank you for sharing useful videos for society. Your approach is extremely clever!
Neat job!👍👍
great video! Can you tell me about mini welding equipment? thanks in advance!
look at descriptions please
@@ARMTechHomemade Sorry, see no welding apparatus, only electrodes :-(
Perfect job!!!
Is it also possible to fit 5x Panasonic NCR18650B 18650 3400mA? That would theoretically be 17A strong or am I wrong?
Для 20 ампер. Достаточно этих мелких точек контактов?
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Very systematic to replace the battery
Is such a spot welder deadly if i touch the pins. I also want to repair my battery pack but im afraid if such. spot welder with 5KJ
yes, i wil reask the same question. please reply..
It is not even any close to dangerous. Is low voltage high current. Low voltage can't pass trough your hands. We are talking less than 20V. Harmless. Just don't put the terminals in your tongue (I mean it). Wet places are more conductive 😁
Nice job😃
Good Job 👍👍
Nice😊
hello, with this spot welder, can you also use lipo battery 3s 6000 mAh 60C? THANK YOU
Hello, yes you can.
@@ARMTechHomemade thank you
What is the cost of such a conversion versus a new battery?
Plus, if you buy a second battery, you already have two.
2A battery sometimes is not enough to power a circular saw for example you will need 3 or 4A, the 2A battery cost around €17 the 4A battery is €30.
2Ah goes for 15 euros, 4Ah for 22-26€ on average.
I upgraded my Parkside 2Ah battery pack.Output 20+ volts.But drill machine not run.,and can't charge.(red and green light)All battery 3000 mAh ,fully charged.All same voltage.Fuse good.
I dont understand why?
two questions:
* why are the round stickers needed?
* whats the purpose of the cable that gets pasted in between 2 cells?
Thanks!
Round stickers are insulators, because the case of the battery is a negative terminal and the edge is very close to the positive terminal. The cable is a temperature sensor that cuts off the battery power if cells get too hot.
I think car accum is better to use as a power source for welding cos its more reliable
Are those LG HG2'S
...und warum kein balancer Anschluss wie bei RC-Modellbau ?
What is the spot welder model please?
Brawo dobra robota a możesz podać model zgrzewarki i jakie ogniwa montujesz
Wystarczy zobaczyć opis pod filmem.
@@mirekdudka9071 a gdyby tak kupić 2 baterie 2000 mah i skleić taśmą od strony dupy?Byłaby bateria 4000 mah tylko grubsza. W lidlu kosztuje 65 zł. Bardziej się opłaca.
Everyone has a spot welder of course...
How is the battery still godd or broken ?
The batterys still works
Good job
i saw the blue batteries which were 2000 x5 = 10000, but the battery was not supposed to be 20000?
Is it worth that amount? Is it better to buy a second battery.
I made it easier. I printed an enlarged case on a 3D printer. I connected 5 more cans of batteries in parallel. The capacity has increased from 2 to 4 ampere hours. The disadvantage is that the battery has become 2 times heavier! But the pulse current increased. Even with a discharged battery, the saw really saws, and does not get stuck in a tree.
ru:
Я сделал проще. Напечатал на 3D принтере увеличенный корпус. Подключил параллельно еще 5 банок аккумуляторов. Емкость увеличилась с 2 до 4 ампер часов. Недостаток, аккумулятор стал в 2 раза тяжелей! Зато импульсный ток увеличился. Даже с разряженным аккумулятором пила реально пилит, а не вязнет в дереве.
you are creative
Need a specific charger with balanced output for this type of battery:
LiPo Battery 3S 11.1V 5000mAh 60C
for what purpose is the circle sticker ?
To prevent to accidently spot weld the positive and negative side of the battery together, causing an instant short
Hello, amazing video, do you know any shops that supply battery cells in Europe?
Ebay, Amazon and vape shop
18650 is the battery's name
Hi Friend.. I have converted most of my tools to run on the Hitachi platform. Most are very easy just connect the negative/positive but some tools have additional connectors.for example.. erbaur tools have plus/minus and VC..How do I connect these? Thanks
We produce this kind of battery pack, and can produce battery packs with customized cells
PERFECT !!!
you know whats funny those new batteries would have cost more than buying a new battery lmao! also if you need more power buy the bigger battery the small and the large batteries are cheaper than any other brand out there so i dont know why you would waste time doing this.
hello sir this is the question, how to make your spot welder?
I think you can buy it link in the description
Wow! Excellent job. Can you tell me whats that bits kit? Thanks!
Hi,tks a lot! There are two kind of batteries of 5000mah, xt60 and t plugs, what is the correct one? Tks a lot.
I would get the XT60 since it is a more universal connector type, although it depends on your application.
Take 5000mah xt60 plugs
great video!
Your information is beautiful and helpful I hope to be health and safety
Pas mal du tout, bravo
Where can I buy a spot welding tool like the one you use?
Look at descriptions please
@@ARMTechHomemade thank you for completing the video information
@@kaisarkamal you will make bad welds with this kind of tool. It will be sticking not welding
Battery is Panansonic or LG?
Super work!I can ask a question about the welding kit, what does it consist of and where to buy the components? Thank you!
Have the same question
На Алике, 800+ рублей стоит плата, в качестве питания подходит автомобильный аккумулятор!
The links are in the description for the spot welder. Ali Express.
Where did you get the spotwelder?
I purchased a really good rechargeable spot welder unit on eBay for $60.00
Bravo I salute you
nice spot welder
But how can I get tools for that? Name and link please! thanks!
Thanks Good job
Sale mas barato y mas facil comprar la de 4ah, vale 30€ y todo lo que necesitas mas las pilas y la bateria te sale por mas de 50. Para arreglar baterias rotas pase, pero lo veo absurdisimo
Heel goed uitgelijd !!
Where do you get, the spot welding tools? Do you have link?
Banggood, eBay, Amazon, etc.
Complimenti, hai un link per le batterie? Grazie
Its low curent cell... Dosnt fit to electro tools.
Please explain what you are doing and why...also lower the music.
where do you find the small round black stickers to put at the top of the batteries ?
Thanks
Well done 👍👍👍
3000 replace 2000 without iny chamge in charge circut ??? secomd thing im my battery pack i found wire from one battery to main board all in serious but this wire from the joint of two battery why???
6:16 Music title?
I thing originál bateriss hawe biger discharge curent.
There is no option that they even have more than 30A.
definately not, original is rated for 10-15A and this is rated for 30A, in every way superior
with the present board that you put the new batteries on could you have went to 4000 batteries?? could it handle it as long as the charge and discharge are the same?
I did the same with parkside old 1500 ah 3.7 v to new 2000 ah 3.6 v but it dosn't work... can you tell me please what it's going wrong ???
Use Samsung INR18650 or sony VTC5A cell, it must be over dischager 35A to operate.