I commented below and I'm not sure what it was but you are beautiful and the pic didn't do you justice. I can't put my finger on what it is. Maybe the chin and nose. I also hate that you probably paid good money for that.
Yeah, it doesn't look like you, which is a shame. Especially if you spent money on it. The face is too squished and the nose is too big in comparison to the face
"she needs to be more secure with herself" Camille was secure with herself and they shot her down. Anyone that has ever been secure has traditionally been told they need to be humble and subsequently get eliminated. This show was an entire walking contradiction.
Camille seemed super confident and smart. When she didn’t really do the acting challenge and they said she was cold and shut down, I was like she’s just reserved?? Also they aren’t trying to be actors?? It was wild to me.
Yeah...Camille definitely went overboard on the confidence and ended up in abrasive, but half the time the panel talks about "standing your ground." It also makes me curious what we didn't see to get Camille to that point because (iirc) she was difficult to rile during challenges.
That’s what they do they always ask you to be something that you are not , if you are shy they are gone tell you to be outspoken and fierce, if you are fierce and confident they are gonna tell you to be humble and less extra, this is what narcissists do ! They make you doubt yourself and then tell you why aren’t you just yourself ?? The gaslighting in this show is just mind blowing ! They want them to just break down for ratings it’s not a model show it’s just a reality show… you can tell by the pictures, the outfits, the make up, it’s cheap and unprofessional !
Such a great line! And the most messed up thing is that a couple of seasons later, ANTM uses this exact quote by Camille and they refer to it as being iconic. Meanwhile Camille got torn apart for it at the time
It's disgusting that they're trying to normalise the unprofessionalism and cruelty in the industry. Stops models from speaking out when they have to deal with this kind of abuse
@@fshbulb1 I have to play the Devil’s Advocate here, everyone you work with isn’t always going to be pleasant. This goes for everyday life, many of us had toxic bosses, and co workers in the past. Either you find another job, or try to make best of the situation until something better comes along. I wish everyone practiced respect, and humility but unfortunately, there are many, MANY miserable people out here. You can’t let them get the best of you.
Especially if they're going to be rude and unprofessional and then turn around and call a black woman "aggressive and having a bad attitude" for matching that with confidence🤨
@@mhafer2657 that was the point of the show though. They always played up the whole aggressive Black woman title to certain girls. It’s wrong but let’s not act like Camille was a saint. She was super conceited and looked down on the other girls.
It’s crazy because later cycles Tyra uses Camille’s line when it’s time for models to do their signature walks but eliminates Camille this episode and she won the go-see challenge also Camille’s line was use as decor in the top model house in cycle 4.
And they repeatedly did this in Cycle 17 when Camille came back (Tyra's dream intro, the live audience). It's basically revisionist history because Tyra realized she could market it in future cycles (and not give credit to Camille) while making older cycles must-see TV to catch up.
“No, the photographer needs to be more in touch with not using 17 soft boxes. “ “Why is it like a landscape photo? Isn’t it supposed to be about the sunglasses?” Yes! Call them out Jess.👏🏾🤣👏🏾🤣
and shes not even that different from the rest of the models??? i actually just thought that they were talking abt her height since shes def pretty tall
Janice says “I would have slapped them in the face” to Shandi Also Janice says “ How could you stand up for yourself like that” to Camille. Such a joke
I love that Camile exposed the lack of professionalism on the part of Tyra and the producers. When the go-see ended, Tyra congratulated Camile for being confident and presenting herself well to the customers. And now they complain about his "attitude"? Even Camile said she had won the challenge, and Tyra automatically responds defensively. Even for Camile, the challenge of "personalized walking that will make you famous" was done in the later cycles. oh please!
Michael is half Italian and was translating what Camille said to the lady present at the go-see. Not that she needed it necessarily but to sell the act ofc. EDIT: Just got to the drawing part and uuuh... While the drawing itself isn't particularly bad, it just doesn't look very much like you, no. Portraits are hard to do and even more so live ones so kudos to the artist anyway
Cycle 2 is one of my favorite cycles of ANTM. On the other end, I watched Luxeria's weigh in on this entire episode & as far as the go-see part is concerned, the way the contestants were treated was too brutal when they didn't know what they were getting into. Luxeria mentioned along the lines of industry leaders wouldn't treat new & coming models poorly if they want to train them to being a 0 to a star (if that makes sense). The way Camille was portrayed on the entire cycle was the angry/bi***y/aggressive/stand-offish Blk woman. My thing is that Camille was self-assured, reserved, & mostly kept to herself for the most part. It took me so long to understand why she was painted in a negative light when there was nothing wrong with her to begin with. It all goes to show that Blk women have to dismantle the preconceived notion that they're the polar opposite of mean/angry/aggressive/etc. To second someone else's comment, Camille's "signature walk" statement was carried into both Cycles 5 & 6. @Jessica, your ANTM reactions across the board are heartfelt & your truly delve into the problematic situations that aren't appropriate in the real world of modeling & the fashion industry as a whole.
The only thing I ever thought that Camille did that was wrong was to insinuate to Tyra that Yoanna had an eating disorder. Other than that, you're 100% correct. The judges love nothing more than to completely break down and destroy a black woman's confidence. It's crazy. Can I ask, why did you use the wording "blk" instead of "black"? Just curious.
What do you think about Tyra literally EVERY single episode at some point doing that fake-assed "ethnic" black accent, in an insulting way toward Camille this time but usually trying to sound cool and "relatable" (to use one of her pet words), while blasting girls who really do talk that way for sounding "ghetto"?!?
tbh I think Camille reminded Tyra of Naomi Campbell and she got all twisted about it. there was nothing wrong with Camille, in fact she showed a lot of grace and calmness when she was dealing with the other models screaming at her and the shots to her confidence from the judges. Tyra tried to bait her so many times.
I don't get what was SO horrible about what Camille said. Maybe she could've been a bit more chill about it, but why is it so wrong for these girls to defend themselves when constantly being roasted?
27:18 I'm so glad you talked about this because I kept looking at the photos thinking they look fake, even though we know they were actually there. I couldn't figure out why it felt that way
The photographer said she needs to be more in touch with her heart and soul? Excuse me? That's the most ridiculous feedback I've ever heard! Love your commentaries Jessica💙
I love simplistic photoshoots like these with an edge. That's what the earlier seasons did with a good portion of the shoots. I wish they kept that going. This shoot I think could be used in their portfolios.
I just had flashbacks to a retail job I had as a teen. My adult managers were "pretending" to be mean to me just to put me on the spot and look bad. To a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD 🤦😅 they even told me they ate my lunch to see how I'd react. Haha idk this episode just unlocked some memories for me 😆 such a yuck thing to do to someone! Poor girls
I just noticed Shandi is the only one wearing the glasses over her eyes, so yeah Tyra, her's is the only one that looks like a sunglasses ad. This episode is one of the greats because of Camille.
I love your passion in these photos Jessica. It shows that you take your job seriously and you know how to get these amazing shots. As far as these photos, I think it was a different time how they wanted them done. This was in the early 2000s after all.
You didn’t need to be as suspicious about the photoshoot. The first few seasons actually had some normal photoshoots, although there were a couple of “phobia” photoshoots - one hanging very high in the air (one of the girls was scared of heights) and an underwater episode, so they started trying to traumatise the girls this season for “entertainment”. There was one of their silly themes / extreme concepts this season - (episode 1 - garden of Eden themed) where they made them get naked, covered them in body paint and they posed in the jungle with a male model. They were trying to get rid of any girls that refused to pose naked in episode 1. Also, poor Yoanna - they constantly mentioned her weight this season.
If someone was rude to me like that, I would be so flabbergasted that I couldn't even answer, but if I did, I would mostly be confused and maybe even cry :D
This is season 2 Jess. They still had some kinks, including audio. 😆 But really, I liked more of the naturalness of the show, unlike years later where it got so "manufactured".
Camille to me seems like a very reserved and quiet girl. The producers must have HATED her because she gave them hardly anything to work with to twist.
I remember this photographer allegedly made a move on Camille. Wouldnt surprise me if he picked a bad photo on purpose. While I liked April's picture, it felt like they sabotaged her posing by laying her down when she could have been far more dynamic.
something tells me that some girls were deliberately set up with uncomfortable/awkward poses just so they'd have a "worse" shoot than others to provide a rationale in post-production for their eliminations
Hi Jessica, I speak italian and to answer your question, when Camille was talking in the go-sees, the "not italian" guy was translating what she was saying. That's why it sounds weird.
When you asked why Michael was talking over Camille in Italian, the simple answer is that he was being an interpreter for the designer. I think she spoke English, but was possibly acting like she didn't when Camille was there.
Again, they're attacking women of color by saying that they have "an attitude" and I think we are all sick of the stereotyping this show does to black women at this point.
Right? I had to look through the comments to see if other people got the ick from this too. Claiming that a black woman having a bad attitude and aggressiveness when all she did was to stand up for herself is just.. no. It didn't sit right with me. Like so many other things they did on this show..
Just saying the comments about Shandi were because she actually worked at a Walgreens before modeling . So they were saying she went from ordinary girl to super model
Thank you! You summed up the photographers' pretentious directing perfectly. "It doesn't have to be meaningful it just needs to be a cool pose." I do a little acting and cosplaying on the side and I agree the Model/Actress just needs to have a chance to get into it. Once there's a shot or two she can have fun and embrace what she's trying to do.
Michael Giannini IS Italian. He is a judge on Italy’s top model show. I believe the speaking he was doing when Camille was talking at the go-see was him translating to the lady running the go-see
Michael Giannini is not Italian. He has Italian relatives, but he is not. Italian is a nationality, not a "race". It is very disrespectful for USA people to claim a nationality just because of where their ancestors come from. But considering the fake stereotypical Italian accent he put on when speaking in English, offensive is not something that rings a bell in him.
I am one of those people who just needs to pick my battles all of time and I have dealt with people like the panel in my own family. Even when you interject nicely and try to express your opinion, they shout and shoot you down. It gets to the point where I don’t even tru anymore. It is easier to just sit/stand there and nod than to fight them anymore. They always think they won even when they are wrong because they expect you to give up or just nod and grin to what they are saying. It is infuriating.
If my job depended on it, and it has in the past, I would absolutely still be polite to a rude person depending on how bad I wanted or needed the job. Polite but firm. However, if it had nothing to do with my ability to make money to eat, they're getting same energy all the way. And that drawing at the end wasn't that bad.
i love how they took like "hidden camera" footage of the go see when the tv show's job is to film it with professional cameras. like what was the point
Oh I totally get it now. This show is basically Tyra's "charity" project helping girls get into the modeling industry who wouldn't normally have that chance. In their mind they are doing them a favor. In their mind they can treat them however they want. They look down on them, they need to pay their "dues."
In response to the question about being treated that way and my reaction to it, I would have likely just thanked them for the opportunity and told them I'm not what they are looking for, then swiftly turn and walk out. It is so sad that they are trying to coerce these girls into thinking they need to accept that sort of disrespect to make a name for themselves.
the go-see "spy" speaks fluent italian, he was translating for the other one (the lady) who wasn't as fluent, that's why he's speaking over camille in real time
Haha I stayed to the end and the drawing could have been good but they didn't get it right. I couldn't place what was wrong but u are beautiful and that pic didn't do you justice at all! And I'm sure you paid a lot for that! One of your subs with artistic abilities should draw you a new one!
I wouldve mentioned being chosen out of 6k girls as well, but Im the type to ask for critiques if it seems unsatisfactory, like, "Well, if you have any critiques, let me know, but I WAS chosen out of 6k girls and am now in the top 5 😊."
Jessica you should see the original pictures from this photoshoot, they look amazing. These ones oversaturated because of tv filter or something. You can find them online
I mean, the real agents and casting people, especially in high fashion, can be BRUTAL, and it boils down to the fact that you’re a clothes hanger and you’re there to sell the clothes in the way THEY want you to sell them. And yes, you do need to let them do things to your hair and ask you to change your walk. It’s a JOB and it’s one where a lot of the people you work for are mean and toxic. If you talk back like that to ANY casting agent or designer, not only would word get out that you’re insubordinate and they would never hire you again, but your agent would drop you. They are why so many models have ED and they have no sympathy. Sure, you can say whatever you want. And you won’t get any work, so you’d better be ready to change careers. When I was modeling, my self esteem was at its absolutely WORST. I cried pretty much every day and was so relieved to quit once and for all.
As an artist, its not bad in terms of drawing skills! It's extremely difficult to draw human faces and proportions. Anyone who has attempted to do this challenge in art classes knows its extremely difficult to get even this close. As a street artist, getting it this close with this much detail is very impressive! Photography can capture in an instant what takes artists several hundreds of hours of skill to learn and perfect. That's why typically at American amusement parks, you will see caricature style live art done instead, because that only focuses on the general impression of the person and not capturing every minute detail. Specific criticism would be that yes the proportions of the face are slightly off from yours, perhaps stretched a little wide, almost as if they were drawing on a canvas that was tilted sideways a bit and didnt realize it, however the actual details if you looked at each part individually they did an excellent job on! Take the picture and tilt it so the left part of the drawing is forward and the right part of the drawing is further away, and I bet it would look much more accurate. Also, charcoal is incredibly difficult to make look soft, so all shadows of the face are going to feel exaggerated, which just like harsh lighting in a photograph, can emphasize the more structural parts of the face and age a person's appearance. That's the nature of the medium, and unless you are very very gentle with very light weighted charcoal strengths, you aren't going to be able to capture the same softness in the natural face. I still think they did a very impressive job here, and honestly I could not do the same without spending a significant amount more time attempting this, and definitely not from someone sitting right in front of me.
I agree. Also as an artist, specificall one that grew up using charcol and chalk when i do tradition. And honestly the primary area in this piece that makes it not look lik her is everything below nose, not just proportion wise but almost shape wise. She has less of a cupids bow, and her jowels arent as prominent, plus she has a squarer chin even in 3/4th view then the drawing gives. Her eyes are a bit smaller but that is again proportions as you stated. The nose tho is very well done Especially considering how many artist have trouble with it. And if they had more time im sure could they could have caught it
I'd watch an entire series of your "they don't have valet at walgreens" persona. Her name is Serendipity (it's actually Sarah, but shh 🤫). She only shops at Erowhon, and the oat milk shortage of October 2021 was easily the most traumatic experience in her life.
Hi Jessica, linguist here. First, Michael is 1st generation Italian, as you are 1st generation Arabic (sorry, I forget the nationality). When he speaks with an accent, as you said, he is also speaking with Italian grammatical structure (syntax) imposed onto English words. In effect he is imitating his immigrant parents speaking English. In addition, I don't think this is as much of a trick as a lesson in not assuming anything about people. I can turn around from an American English conversation to a French conversation sans difficulte. I am told that when I speak German, my accent is French. Never assume...
Your comment is very polite and very informative, but he is not Italian. He has Italian relatives, his nationality is not Italian. His accent is not Italian either, he is imitating a very stereotypical Italo-American way of speaking (with a syntax that would be incorrect even in Italian) that has the same social depth of "It's a-me, Mario!". It's considered quite offensive here and it perfectly embodies why we hate when people that care nothing for our culture claim to be part of our nation because of where their ancestors are from. Having said that, in Italy, you are legally "1st generation Italian" if you are the first in your family to obtain Italian citizenship. "Italian" is not a race, neither is an ethnical group. It is a nationality that ecompasses tons of different ethnical backgrounds. So the fact that he is blatantly using this expression wrong himself on his socials just further emphasizes that he doesn't care to get us at all.
I agree with the first comment, he does sound like he is interpreting Italian word for word and it does make sense but wait a minute, since when is Italian not an ethnicity? It is both an ethnicity and a nationality! "People that care nothing for our culture" - He has not said anything about what he thinks about Italy or his connections, so why are you assuming? I think you also need to take into account that you would need to sound at least a bit stereotypical for this kind of show, it's probably what they wanted (no, that doesn't mean it's good or a good representation).
They're grooming these models to be passive and accepting of all kinds of behaviour and to not make demands. It makes it easier to exploit them in the future.
lmaoooo you are so gorgeous and that picture doesn't reflect it. I also think they used a lot of discriminatory words to describe Camille. Any time any one calls a Black women aggressive it is a whistle blower that they are problematic
Stood out to me that Janice slipped out of character, taking the girls' sides on this one - giving compliments , saying she'd want to slap that woman's face -- which of course Tyra took offense to and had to shut down (with the "homeless and jobless" comment)! That's not what you're paid to do on this show Janice get back in line!
If this is a photo for sunglasses, could you please tell me where the sunglasses are? Or was this a test for the models to remind the costumer that they needed them?
For once, Janice is spot on. The way the "Italians" responded to Mercedes' age was appalling. As much as models need to be at their best for go sees, the brand representatives should be too because they are the ones selling a product at a premium. If no one wants to work with you, you won't have a business to mismanage like this.
The focus was supposed to be on the sunglasses, but none of them actually wore the sunglasses, Mercedes’s sunglasses looked like a headband as it was hidden by her hair.
Shandi wore them. I think she's the only one. Probably because her pair wasn't very dark at all, so you can see her face just fine. I'm not sure I'd even call them sunglasses, to be honest.
The comments about Yoanna's body NEVER made sense to me. In a previous episode they confronted her about how she's gaining weight and she said she was a size 2. SIZE 2. And she was considered the biggest girl. I'm a size 4 and that's a small. A size 2 is an extra small. PLEASE tell me where she is big
Hi Jessica. I am Italian so I can explain to you, when the "fake Italian" 😂 is talking over while Camille is talking it is because he is translating to the woman (she is a real Italian) the things that camille is saying. He is actually translating the part when she said "I will be famous, I was chosen out of 6.000 girls..."
For context with the Go-See challenge. The lady is Italian and doesn’t speak English fluently. The man that was acting was her translator for her. If I remember correctly
It's hilarious that the gosee people being mean is exactly how the judges act all the time and they're like "wow you handled those questions so well, I would have slapped her" 👀👀
If you watched until the end and saw the drawing...IS IT THAT BAD?!
No not at all! I like it!
It really was though 😭😭😭 even the ears... Sorry 😂
I commented below and I'm not sure what it was but you are beautiful and the pic didn't do you justice. I can't put my finger on what it is. Maybe the chin and nose. I also hate that you probably paid good money for that.
Yeah, it doesn't look like you, which is a shame. Especially if you spent money on it. The face is too squished and the nose is too big in comparison to the face
Yes
"she needs to be more secure with herself"
Camille was secure with herself and they shot her down. Anyone that has ever been secure has traditionally been told they need to be humble and subsequently get eliminated.
This show was an entire walking contradiction.
Yep, "you need to be more confident", "you need to be more humble"... etc etc, on and on.
Camille seemed super confident and smart. When she didn’t really do the acting challenge and they said she was cold and shut down, I was like she’s just reserved?? Also they aren’t trying to be actors?? It was wild to me.
Yeah...Camille definitely went overboard on the confidence and ended up in abrasive, but half the time the panel talks about "standing your ground."
It also makes me curious what we didn't see to get Camille to that point because (iirc) she was difficult to rile during challenges.
That’s what they do they always ask you to be something that you are not , if you are shy they are gone tell you to be outspoken and fierce, if you are fierce and confident they are gonna tell you to be humble and less extra, this is what narcissists do ! They make you doubt yourself and then tell you why aren’t you just yourself ?? The gaslighting in this show is just mind blowing ! They want them to just break down for ratings it’s not a model show it’s just a reality show… you can tell by the pictures, the outfits, the make up, it’s cheap and unprofessional !
"This is my signature walk, and this is what's going to make me famous!" YES Camille!! Still iconic to this day!
I wish I was that confident.
Did she actually become a model with her signature walk ?
@@charisselinnell-morton4137 Well according to her interview with Oliver, she's walked in many shows around the world, so I would say so.
Such a great line! And the most messed up thing is that a couple of seasons later, ANTM uses this exact quote by Camille and they refer to it as being iconic. Meanwhile Camille got torn apart for it at the time
@@Dlihnyrbwait SERIOUSLY?! Wtf
It's disgusting that they're trying to normalise the unprofessionalism and cruelty in the industry. Stops models from speaking out when they have to deal with this kind of abuse
This was 2004….
@@jeffrivera3612 And? I was working in 2004 and the normalisation of abuse made people never speak out. Abuse is abuse, no matter what the date is.
@@fshbulb1 I have to play the Devil’s Advocate here, everyone you work with isn’t always going to be pleasant. This goes for everyday life, many of us had toxic bosses, and co workers in the past.
Either you find another job, or try to make best of the situation until something better comes along. I wish everyone practiced respect, and humility but unfortunately, there are many, MANY miserable people out here. You can’t let them get the best of you.
Especially if they're going to be rude and unprofessional and then turn around and call a black woman "aggressive and having a bad attitude" for matching that with confidence🤨
@@mhafer2657 that was the point of the show though. They always played up the whole aggressive
Black woman title to certain girls. It’s wrong but let’s not act like Camille was a saint. She was super conceited and looked down on the other girls.
It’s crazy because later cycles Tyra uses Camille’s line when it’s time for models to do their signature walks but eliminates Camille this episode and she won the go-see challenge also Camille’s line was use as decor in the top model house in cycle 4.
And they repeatedly did this in Cycle 17 when Camille came back (Tyra's dream intro, the live audience).
It's basically revisionist history because Tyra realized she could market it in future cycles (and not give credit to Camille) while making older cycles must-see TV to catch up.
Exactly. She won an award for best presenting herself!!
Yes! They encouraged girls to develop a signature walk.
Yes
When Jessica said “idk how you came from being Tyra’s makeup artist to now a creative director?” I screamed 😂😂😂😂😂
She be coming for Mr. Jay and I’m all for it 😂😂😂😂😂
She spoke the truth
Yeah why is he even there 😅
“No, the photographer needs to be more in touch with not using 17 soft boxes. “
“Why is it like a landscape photo? Isn’t it supposed to be about the sunglasses?”
Yes! Call them out Jess.👏🏾🤣👏🏾🤣
PREACH!!!!!!
Did she say "habibi"? 😂
They were mentioning Yoanna's body image. She talked about her weight loss through the season and her weight was constantly brought up.
more like scrutinized
and shes not even that different from the rest of the models??? i actually just thought that they were talking abt her height since shes def pretty tall
Janice says “I would have slapped them in the face” to Shandi
Also Janice says “ How could you stand up for yourself like that” to Camille.
Such a joke
Yup. The models are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
I love that Camile exposed the lack of professionalism on the part of Tyra and the producers. When the go-see ended, Tyra congratulated Camile for being confident and presenting herself well to the customers. And now they complain about his "attitude"? Even Camile said she had won the challenge, and Tyra automatically responds defensively. Even for Camile, the challenge of "personalized walking that will make you famous" was done in the later cycles. oh please!
Nolé calling someone larger when he's chubby is just ironic
You can be fat and still understand that someone else is fat!!….🤡🤦🏼♀️🙄
@@BukBukkas I-R-O-N-I-C
It’s not I-R-O-N-I-C though!!….🤦🏼♀️🤡
"Are you always 22 years old?" "No, I will be whatever age you want me to be" - The Way According to Tyra!
Michael is half Italian and was translating what Camille said to the lady present at the go-see. Not that she needed it necessarily but to sell the act ofc.
EDIT: Just got to the drawing part and uuuh... While the drawing itself isn't particularly bad, it just doesn't look very much like you, no. Portraits are hard to do and even more so live ones so kudos to the artist anyway
Cycle 2 is one of my favorite cycles of ANTM. On the other end, I watched Luxeria's weigh in on this entire episode & as far as the go-see part is concerned, the way the contestants were treated was too brutal when they didn't know what they were getting into. Luxeria mentioned along the lines of industry leaders wouldn't treat new & coming models poorly if they want to train them to being a 0 to a star (if that makes sense). The way Camille was portrayed on the entire cycle was the angry/bi***y/aggressive/stand-offish Blk woman. My thing is that Camille was self-assured, reserved, & mostly kept to herself for the most part. It took me so long to understand why she was painted in a negative light when there was nothing wrong with her to begin with. It all goes to show that Blk women have to dismantle the preconceived notion that they're the polar opposite of mean/angry/aggressive/etc. To second someone else's comment, Camille's "signature walk" statement was carried into both Cycles 5 & 6. @Jessica, your ANTM reactions across the board are heartfelt & your truly delve into the problematic situations that aren't appropriate in the real world of modeling & the fashion industry as a whole.
The only thing I ever thought that Camille did that was wrong was to insinuate to Tyra that Yoanna had an eating disorder. Other than that, you're 100% correct. The judges love nothing more than to completely break down and destroy a black woman's confidence. It's crazy. Can I ask, why did you use the wording "blk" instead of "black"? Just curious.
What do you think about Tyra literally EVERY single episode at some point doing that fake-assed "ethnic" black accent, in an insulting way toward Camille this time but usually trying to sound cool and "relatable" (to use one of her pet words), while blasting girls who really do talk that way for sounding "ghetto"?!?
I loooove Luxeria!
@@neutralman9124 using blk was just a quick abbreviation
tbh I think Camille reminded Tyra of Naomi Campbell and she got all twisted about it. there was nothing wrong with Camille, in fact she showed a lot of grace and calmness when she was dealing with the other models screaming at her and the shots to her confidence from the judges. Tyra tried to bait her so many times.
I don't get what was SO horrible about what Camille said. Maybe she could've been a bit more chill about it, but why is it so wrong for these girls to defend themselves when constantly being roasted?
27:18 I'm so glad you talked about this because I kept looking at the photos thinking they look fake, even though we know they were actually there. I couldn't figure out why it felt that way
Camille went on to walk in various shows after ANTM. She’ll always be a queen! ✨💜
The photographer said she needs to be more in touch with her heart and soul? Excuse me? That's the most ridiculous feedback I've ever heard! Love your commentaries Jessica💙
Shandi was also a DJ. They never mentioned that. They wanted her to be the uncool peasant who works at walgreens.
I love simplistic photoshoots like these with an edge. That's what the earlier seasons did with a good portion of the shoots. I wish they kept that going. This shoot I think could be used in their portfolios.
"You guys have too much free time." 😆😆😆😆 I second that Jessica! This is sport for them.
I just had flashbacks to a retail job I had as a teen. My adult managers were "pretending" to be mean to me just to put me on the spot and look bad. To a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD 🤦😅 they even told me they ate my lunch to see how I'd react. Haha idk this episode just unlocked some memories for me 😆 such a yuck thing to do to someone! Poor girls
I just noticed Shandi is the only one wearing the glasses over her eyes, so yeah Tyra, her's is the only one that looks like a sunglasses ad. This episode is one of the greats because of Camille.
I love your passion in these photos Jessica. It shows that you take your job seriously and you know how to get these amazing shots. As far as these photos, I think it was a different time how they wanted them done. This was in the early 2000s after all.
You didn’t need to be as suspicious about the photoshoot. The first few seasons actually had some normal photoshoots, although there were a couple of “phobia” photoshoots - one hanging very high in the air (one of the girls was scared of heights) and an underwater episode, so they started trying to traumatise the girls this season for “entertainment”.
There was one of their silly themes / extreme concepts this season - (episode 1 - garden of Eden themed) where they made them get naked, covered them in body paint and they posed in the jungle with a male model. They were trying to get rid of any girls that refused to pose naked in episode 1.
Also, poor Yoanna - they constantly mentioned her weight this season.
And Tyra turned around and used “signature walk like Camille” in future seasons
It's seems to be socially acceptable for Gay men to mistreat women.
If someone was rude to me like that, I would be so flabbergasted that I couldn't even answer, but if I did, I would mostly be confused and maybe even cry :D
This is season 2 Jess. They still had some kinks, including audio. 😆 But really, I liked more of the naturalness of the show, unlike years later where it got so "manufactured".
Camille to me seems like a very reserved and quiet girl. The producers must have HATED her because she gave them hardly anything to work with to twist.
I remember this photographer allegedly made a move on Camille. Wouldnt surprise me if he picked a bad photo on purpose.
While I liked April's picture, it felt like they sabotaged her posing by laying her down when she could have been far more dynamic.
something tells me that some girls were deliberately set up with uncomfortable/awkward poses just so they'd have a "worse" shoot than others to provide a rationale in post-production for their eliminations
Tbh, these go sees challenges are wild. The designers especially... My god, were they asked to treat the models rudely?
5:03 “Is it a Backstreet Boys song?” I remember that song. “And that makes you LARGER THAN LIFE!” You crack me up Jess! 😂
If they are modeling sunglasses maybe let them put the sunglasses on if the sun is in their eyes…
It’s not a handbag! Wear the damn glasses
Hi Jessica, I speak italian and to answer your question, when Camille was talking in the go-sees, the "not italian" guy was translating what she was saying. That's why it sounds weird.
When you asked why Michael was talking over Camille in Italian, the simple answer is that he was being an interpreter for the designer. I think she spoke English, but was possibly acting like she didn't when Camille was there.
Again, they're attacking women of color by saying that they have "an attitude" and I think we are all sick of the stereotyping this show does to black women at this point.
Yeah. If a white girl gave that speech they’d be applauding her passion and confidence
Right? I had to look through the comments to see if other people got the ick from this too. Claiming that a black woman having a bad attitude and aggressiveness when all she did was to stand up for herself is just.. no. It didn't sit right with me. Like so many other things they did on this show..
Your vibe is always more interesting than their actual show was
The title of this video is literally every episode honestly lmao
P.S. Interesting how the non-white girls are always projected as ‘aggressive’.
Yup, exactly.
20:36, he’s interpreting what she’s saying into Italian… it often sounds like an interpreter is talking over the person, but that’s just how it’s done
Just saying the comments about Shandi were because she actually worked at a Walgreens before modeling . So they were saying she went from ordinary girl to super model
Thank you! You summed up the photographers' pretentious directing perfectly. "It doesn't have to be meaningful it just needs to be a cool pose."
I do a little acting and cosplaying on the side and I agree the Model/Actress just needs to have a chance to get into it. Once there's a shot or two she can have fun and embrace what she's trying to do.
"Oh ToO cOmMeRciAL" BUT Y'ALL PICKED HER TO COMPETE!!!!
(Artsit speaking here) Jess that drawing DEFINITELY is not you omg haha. Loving the ANTM content gurl!
Michael Giannini IS Italian. He is a judge on Italy’s top model show. I believe the speaking he was doing when Camille was talking at the go-see was him translating to the lady running the go-see
Michael Giannini is not Italian. He has Italian relatives, but he is not. Italian is a nationality, not a "race". It is very disrespectful for USA people to claim a nationality just because of where their ancestors come from.
But considering the fake stereotypical Italian accent he put on when speaking in English, offensive is not something that rings a bell in him.
Why was he translating when she spoke English clearly while asking a model how old she was?
I am one of those people who just needs to pick my battles all of time and I have dealt with people like the panel in my own family.
Even when you interject nicely and try to express your opinion, they shout and shoot you down. It gets to the point where I don’t even tru anymore. It is easier to just sit/stand there and nod than to fight them anymore. They always think they won even when they are wrong because they expect you to give up or just nod and grin to what they are saying. It is infuriating.
If my job depended on it, and it has in the past, I would absolutely still be polite to a rude person depending on how bad I wanted or needed the job. Polite but firm. However, if it had nothing to do with my ability to make money to eat, they're getting same energy all the way. And that drawing at the end wasn't that bad.
12:58 girl did you see Camille throw her head back? When they reveal they put together video clips. She knew she was about to be desecrated lmao
She knew they were gonna react Bad to all that she said 😂😂😂😂
i love how they took like "hidden camera" footage of the go see when the tv show's job is to film it with professional cameras. like what was the point
I bet Tyra felt threatened by Camille. Just a feeling.
Oh I totally get it now. This show is basically Tyra's "charity" project helping girls get into the modeling industry who wouldn't normally have that chance. In their mind they are doing them a favor. In their mind they can treat them however they want. They look down on them, they need to pay their "dues."
In response to the question about being treated that way and my reaction to it, I would have likely just thanked them for the opportunity and told them I'm not what they are looking for, then swiftly turn and walk out. It is so sad that they are trying to coerce these girls into thinking they need to accept that sort of disrespect to make a name for themselves.
the go-see "spy" speaks fluent italian, he was translating for the other one (the lady) who wasn't as fluent, that's why he's speaking over camille in real time
Oh no Jess throw that picture away. That man did you dirty 😂
LMAOOO!!!!!
"How old are you?"
"I'm whatever age you want me to be"
Shanti worked at Walgreens and one of the previous frontrunners was employed at Dairy Queen.
Haha I stayed to the end and the drawing could have been good but they didn't get it right. I couldn't place what was wrong but u are beautiful and that pic didn't do you justice at all! And I'm sure you paid a lot for that! One of your subs with artistic abilities should draw you a new one!
I wouldve mentioned being chosen out of 6k girls as well, but Im the type to ask for critiques if it seems unsatisfactory, like, "Well, if you have any critiques, let me know, but I WAS chosen out of 6k girls and am now in the top 5 😊."
Jessica you should see the original pictures from this photoshoot, they look amazing. These ones oversaturated because of tv filter or something. You can find them online
I thought camile sounded really confident. & I loved her exit❤.
I mean, the real agents and casting people, especially in high fashion, can be BRUTAL, and it boils down to the fact that you’re a clothes hanger and you’re there to sell the clothes in the way THEY want you to sell them. And yes, you do need to let them do things to your hair and ask you to change your walk. It’s a JOB and it’s one where a lot of the people you work for are mean and toxic. If you talk back like that to ANY casting agent or designer, not only would word get out that you’re insubordinate and they would never hire you again, but your agent would drop you. They are why so many models have ED and they have no sympathy. Sure, you can say whatever you want. And you won’t get any work, so you’d better be ready to change careers.
When I was modeling, my self esteem was at its absolutely WORST. I cried pretty much every day and was so relieved to quit once and for all.
Camille had to go because she wouldn't take any sh**!
I'm pretty sure he was translating what she was saying when he was talking over her
As an artist, its not bad in terms of drawing skills! It's extremely difficult to draw human faces and proportions. Anyone who has attempted to do this challenge in art classes knows its extremely difficult to get even this close. As a street artist, getting it this close with this much detail is very impressive! Photography can capture in an instant what takes artists several hundreds of hours of skill to learn and perfect. That's why typically at American amusement parks, you will see caricature style live art done instead, because that only focuses on the general impression of the person and not capturing every minute detail.
Specific criticism would be that yes the proportions of the face are slightly off from yours, perhaps stretched a little wide, almost as if they were drawing on a canvas that was tilted sideways a bit and didnt realize it, however the actual details if you looked at each part individually they did an excellent job on! Take the picture and tilt it so the left part of the drawing is forward and the right part of the drawing is further away, and I bet it would look much more accurate.
Also, charcoal is incredibly difficult to make look soft, so all shadows of the face are going to feel exaggerated, which just like harsh lighting in a photograph, can emphasize the more structural parts of the face and age a person's appearance. That's the nature of the medium, and unless you are very very gentle with very light weighted charcoal strengths, you aren't going to be able to capture the same softness in the natural face. I still think they did a very impressive job here, and honestly I could not do the same without spending a significant amount more time attempting this, and definitely not from someone sitting right in front of me.
I agree. Also as an artist, specificall one that grew up using charcol and chalk when i do tradition. And honestly the primary area in this piece that makes it not look lik her is everything below nose, not just proportion wise but almost shape wise. She has less of a cupids bow, and her jowels arent as prominent, plus she has a squarer chin even in 3/4th view then the drawing gives. Her eyes are a bit smaller but that is again proportions as you stated. The nose tho is very well done Especially considering how many artist have trouble with it. And if they had more time im sure could they could have caught it
i’m commenting on this video too much, but 5 seconds after Mr. Jay said Mercedes could be a *Crest* girl, a *Crest* ad played on my phone 😂
I'd watch an entire series of your "they don't have valet at walgreens" persona. Her name is Serendipity (it's actually Sarah, but shh 🤫). She only shops at Erowhon, and the oat milk shortage of October 2021 was easily the most traumatic experience in her life.
He wasn't talking over Camille he was translating
Hi Jessica, linguist here. First, Michael is 1st generation Italian, as you are 1st generation Arabic (sorry, I forget the nationality). When he speaks with an accent, as you said, he is also speaking with Italian grammatical structure (syntax) imposed onto English words. In effect he is imitating his immigrant parents speaking English. In addition, I don't think this is as much of a trick as a lesson in not assuming anything about people. I can turn around from an American English conversation to a French conversation sans difficulte. I am told that when I speak German, my accent is French. Never assume...
Your comment is very polite and very informative, but he is not Italian. He has Italian relatives, his nationality is not Italian.
His accent is not Italian either, he is imitating a very stereotypical Italo-American way of speaking (with a syntax that would be incorrect even in Italian) that has the same social depth of "It's a-me, Mario!".
It's considered quite offensive here and it perfectly embodies why we hate when people that care nothing for our culture claim to be part of our nation because of where their ancestors are from.
Having said that, in Italy, you are legally "1st generation Italian" if you are the first in your family to obtain Italian citizenship. "Italian" is not a race, neither is an ethnical group. It is a nationality that ecompasses tons of different ethnical backgrounds.
So the fact that he is blatantly using this expression wrong himself on his socials just further emphasizes that he doesn't care to get us at all.
I agree with the first comment, he does sound like he is interpreting Italian word for word and it does make sense but
wait a minute, since when is Italian not an ethnicity? It is both an ethnicity and a nationality!
"People that care nothing for our culture" - He has not said anything about what he thinks about Italy or his connections, so why are you assuming? I think you also need to take into account that you would need to sound at least a bit stereotypical for this kind of show, it's probably what they wanted (no, that doesn't mean it's good or a good representation).
The guy was translating Camille's English to Italian.
They're grooming these models to be passive and accepting of all kinds of behaviour and to not make demands. It makes it easier to exploit them in the future.
a sunglasses shoot where none of the models are actually wearing the sunglasses?
lmaoooo you are so gorgeous and that picture doesn't reflect it. I also think they used a lot of discriminatory words to describe Camille. Any time any one calls a Black women aggressive it is a whistle blower that they are problematic
Jessica you ate that “I love this” comment when Camille video came up lol 😂I’m hollering !
I think having your sister react too was priceless- thanks
Judge: "Try to work on humility."
Also judge: "IT'SA ME, MARIO."
He's an Italian-American, pretending to be Italian, pretending to speak English. 😂😂😂
Stood out to me that Janice slipped out of character, taking the girls' sides on this one - giving compliments , saying she'd want to slap that woman's face -- which of course Tyra took offense to and had to shut down (with the "homeless and jobless" comment)! That's not what you're paid to do on this show Janice get back in line!
Shandi worked at Walgreens before coming to the show.
That portrait was beautiful. However I do see what she meant by the face looking squished
Oh gurl... that "artist" did u dirty. He made you look like a senior citizen
Girl!!! Italy did you dirty!!! I'm SORRY!!! 🤣🤣🤣
If this is a photo for sunglasses, could you please tell me where the sunglasses are? Or was this a test for the models to remind the costumer that they needed them?
The earlier seasons were obviously more about modeling and less about tv this was a good shoot
that camille scene will forever be iconic 😂
At 20:20, where Michael is talking over Camille, he's translating what she's saying.
For once, Janice is spot on. The way the "Italians" responded to Mercedes' age was appalling. As much as models need to be at their best for go sees, the brand representatives should be too because they are the ones selling a product at a premium. If no one wants to work with you, you won't have a business to mismanage like this.
He was translating what she was saying...
Jess... Oh, that is not you, baby! 😂❤ The hair to the eyes. Nothing more.
The focus was supposed to be on the sunglasses, but none of them actually wore the sunglasses, Mercedes’s sunglasses looked like a headband as it was hidden by her hair.
Shandi wore them. I think she's the only one. Probably because her pair wasn't very dark at all, so you can see her face just fine. I'm not sure I'd even call them sunglasses, to be honest.
your hair is gorgeous in this vid!
The comments about Yoanna's body NEVER made sense to me. In a previous episode they confronted her about how she's gaining weight and she said she was a size 2. SIZE 2. And she was considered the biggest girl. I'm a size 4 and that's a small. A size 2 is an extra small. PLEASE tell me where she is big
I saw the photo and thought “MY PRECIOUSSS” immediately
I'm guessing the guy speaking over her in Italian is an interpreter for the designer?
The man is translating what Camille is saying.
Hi Jessica. I am Italian so I can explain to you, when the "fake Italian" 😂 is talking over while Camille is talking it is because he is translating to the woman (she is a real Italian) the things that camille is saying. He is actually translating the part when she said "I will be famous, I was chosen out of 6.000 girls..."
I think the reason the man was talking at the same time as Camille is because he was "translating" for the woman who was more fluent in Italian
For context with the Go-See challenge. The lady is Italian and doesn’t speak English fluently. The man that was acting was her translator for her. If I remember correctly
Haha, i love how you didn't hold back on the judges on this one jessica xD i felt like you were extra honest in this video
"...17 soft boxes.". Bahaha 😂
It's hilarious that the gosee people being mean is exactly how the judges act all the time and they're like "wow you handled those questions so well, I would have slapped her" 👀👀
That’s what I was thinking too!