2018 Mustang GT - Engine Update #2
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2018
- Well, I really think the rattle is there now. I’m hearing more than just a ticking. I’ll take it into Ford and see what they say.
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Hey man I have a 2018 GT and thankfully I have no issues (yet). Your engine sounds 100% normal to me.
I hope, and expect, things will be fine for both of us!
You must be deaf or just a fanboy that is not a normal sound
Its under warranty, so you're covered. Have the Ford tech make a notation on your VIN, then go and run the snot out of it and enjoy it. Its either going to grenade or it won't. Worrying about it will only cause you to lose sleep, so try not to let it bother you. All of us `18 owners are in the same boat.
After taking it in, if they don’t find something, running it and enjoying it is exactly what I plan to do. I won’t lose sleep over it.
Games&Gears yeah I have the tick and a flutter around 2000-2500 rpm no matter the temp. It's piston slap and will cause scoring to the cylinders. I looked into the forums and a guy took it to get looked at and had excessive damage to cylinders 5-8 and he only had like 3000 miles. I'm at 9600 and it keeps progressively getting louder, so I'm having it check out August 6.
I have a 19 so I hope I am safe?
Man that doesn't sound normal to me, but looking forward to hearing what the ford tech tells you, best of luck with the mustang.
I listened to 2 other GT's at the dealer, brand new. Sounded like just that. Matched mine. It's the nature of the new Gen 3.
Out of all the weird noises GT owners have posted ,Yours sounds the least troubling , at least yours is a consistent even sound. Others I've heard sound far more questionable...Good luck, hope all is well...Also NEVER run crappy fuel in your car .And if you have to, then drive it easy. Especially on a hot day....
If the car was mine and it sounded that way why not send off an oil sample to Blackstone Labs. See if your oil and engine are in good health.
Towards the end your motor sounded like mine, the ford 5.4L 3v found in the 2004--2008 f150s . I've been hearing that sound since 54,000 miles when I bought it used and it still runs at 130,000 miles.
Don't worry about it.
I bought a preowned 2016 GT with 2200 miles and have no issues.
Your smart letting it warm up enough.
My wife’s 2017 1.5 Ecoboost in her escape ticks, my 2017 3.5 ecoboost F150 ticks. I’ve been told it’s just normal. When I first start the truck it taps, ticks and rattles.. sounds like a POS for 3 seconds and then it’s fine.
Side note - surely not the case with the GT but in my manual it says warm up isn’t required, not that I wouldn’t not warm up some before driving. Seemed odd to me.
I would take a broom handle (wood) and cut it off . Place it on various spots , bottom and top of engine and hold your ear up to the other end , usually you can pin point where the noise is coming from . Top end = valve adjustment . Middle or bottom end = new motor !
Interesting!
That engine is good, the ticking is in you mind.
I'll be the first tell you you the gen3 Coyote has issues and yours is on the list, but I'm not hearing anything too crazy in this video. Not compared to the other ticking videos I've heard. I can hear the DI more than anything else. You, however, will know if something has changed or gotten louder. From my perspective, it sounds pretty normal, however if it sounds different than how it normally sounds, then yes, definitely don't procrastinate. Now I'm just talking about the tick, not rattle. If you have the rattle, that's a whole other story. Good luck!
sounds like mine exactly
I work at Ford on the Mustang team. The ticking you hear is the direct injection. Oh, and get a strut tower brace. (We should have put those on every one built.)
Steve B what's wrong with the GDI on the ones that don't tick like that likes StangModes on here and others I've heard in person? Are the non tickers the actual defective ones?
That sounds like a knock to me.
Its the direct injection system. Just Google direct injection engine noise and you'll see it's very common and normal. Hope this helps.
I agree...direct injection is noisy as hell...just listen to the Subaru Boxer engine. Also most of the engine issues on the new Mustangs are catastrophic failures, those typically do not happen slowly.
Yea My focus RS has a ticking noise like that and ford told me it's normal. I think it's crazy they call that normal especially when I can hear it inside my car lol.. but yea just embrace it that's what I'm doing now
derrick perry I was a passenger in a RS last week, what a BEAST!
I have an frs currently and I'm getting a get in a few months that sound is 100% direct injection. Tends to happen when the car is really cold or when the car has been driven a lot. At least that's when I tend to hear it start ticking the most.
Just passed 7k miles running my car on 5w-30 per track use spec in manual with nothing like this. I like to drive in spirited fashion in my 7 mile commute. Yours is definitely mechanical. Direct injection would be a tick with each fuel injection (go figure). It's a very high pitched, fast paced tick just like the ignition coils. With the deep sound it has, I vote crank rotational assembly.
Wow that’s bad, my 18 has some noise but not that loud! Good luck!
It’s highly possible it’s the front 2 rod bearings that have slightly spun on the journal. That’s what happened to my 2011 GT
If it was my car I would tell FORD I do not want to drive the car until the noise is corrected. The car costs a bunch of your hard earned money. Good luck to you.
When you put the video under the car it sounds like my longtubes sounded like on my 5th gen Camaro, thin stainless exhaust systems will allow more ugly ticking sounds to get through, and that'd be my guess. I don't know about Fords but the new Camaro basically has a stainless shorty header on the LT's now and anything of that nature will let ticking noises get through. On top of DI systems being noisy to begin with, as long as you're not hearing a knock from the crank case then you're probably just fine it's normal operation. My LS3 sounded like a chinese sweat shop once the oil warmed up and thinned. Enough to make anyone who is slightly paranoid think you've got a lifter problem but it's normal. Also you have a LOT of valves and cam action going on with thinner oil you're gonna hear it. Good luck though!
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Yeah long tubes will make you hear the exhaust valves. It’s almost like you can hear the combustion happening. Yours sounds kind of normal. Not really sure
Mine has a slight tap here and there, I run nothing but 93 or e85 I wouldnt worry.
The top of your engine sounds “normal”. Mine sounds exactly like it. These are noisy engines. I do have the “bbq tick” and 2k rattle. Car runs great. Just going to enjoy my warranty and if nothing breaks within warranty then it’s all good. After my warranty is up I plan to go sleeved short block anyways and go whipple. Just send it.
Damn you can hear the nocking really clear sound like a Diesel engine
My manual is having issues and I also have to bring it in.... would I be able to swap my trans with the auto and just not deal with it?
Turn up the radio or focus on the sweat sound of the exhaust! Coyotes are just noisy. I have a first gen in my F150. Makes all sorts of racket, but the truck runs great! I completely ignore it and keep on driving! The last thing you want is a Ford “mechanic” touching your car. You have plenty of warranty left if there is some catastrophic failure which is highly unlikely to happen . Enjoy the car man!
Thanks for the feedback!
No bueno... My first thought was water pump, my F-150 made that sound until my water pump ate itself and spewed parts all over the highway. But injectors maybe...hmmm... Keep us posted
Will do!
I think you shouldn’t worry about it. If you’re still under warranty for a good while then enjoy the car.
I think you’re looking around on UA-cam too much. I know 3 other people with 18’s and they have the tick but it’s the high pressure fuel injection noises..
I also have the 18 and it ticks only when it’s cold. When it’s warm it’s fine.
Yeah, I said in this video and the last one that the ticking, to me, is 100% the GDI part of the injection system. However, just to reiterate what I said in this video, there’s a new noise I didn’t hear before. It definitely could be nothing, and maybe you guys can’t make it out in the video, but it definitely seems new and noticeable to me. So, I figure there’s no harm in taking it in for a look.
Well there are two confirmed ticks that StangMode DOES NOT HAVE and his car is one of the fastest is he not running the same car? Dude went to track with him and listened to his same 2018 no tick...and another whose tick ended up being the piston scoring the walls and another with timing chain.....that's just off top of my head.....
Dismiss it if you want but I wouldn't
Btw I tested one didn't hear it....and a Camaro heard nothing like that and he let me run it pretty hard...a scat pack 392 and 5.7l ( not even sure if they are direct injected or a hybrid )...no ticks on any of em.....
Does it take a while because the 5.0L's Ive heard personally were all new? Sounded like an old solid lift flat tappet cam light smooth like a soft sewing machine but nothing like your videos
Sounds kind of like the rollers and cam they should definitely check that . Just had very similar sounds on my peterbilt there was a bad roller and it had caused damage to the can so we replaced the rollers and cam now she is quiter than when it was new. I know the mustang isn't a Simi but a motor is a motor with little variances .
And it will also rule out any noise coming from said fuel system , you should only here the internal parts of the engine , note there will be noise but if it’s a metal on metal tick .... it will show up either on the top of motor or bottom or in the middle of the block
I’d just drive it and enjoy. If the noise gets worse or the engine blows then take it in. Every car I’ve owned had engine noises particular to the engine. My 2011 5.0 had smoking issues since I bought it at 1500 miles. It was notated and I drove it up to 30k miles when it started getting worse. But it drove like a beast and Ford honored my warranty and gave me a reman engine that actually ran slightly stronger.
Do you like Camaros at all, what do you think about the LS engine?
Sounds like a lifter to me. GDI injectors sound different.
Just got my car back. I had the rattle and Ford gave me a new block.
I would have them run diagnostics on it but it doesn't sound horrible to me
No ticks are fine
Already did lol
A buy back and never buy again is a good plan. Poor engines. Boss had total rebuild at 19000 miles. No excuse for that. I own it but really feel its junk. Don't like it. Will never be a Ford fan.
Does the new one have the rattle?
Hope nothing actually wrong.
Sounds like a sewing machine, a coyote variation of the norm.
Maybe try a Tesla, no weird engine noises, I promise;)
True! Haha
392 Jake instead a yearly electric engine change. My buddy leased one for 3 years and had to have the motor swapped twice.
MvF JET
I didn’t say electric would be more reliable, just no taps and pings to obsess about. I’m sure your buddies lease was covered under warranty with a rental provided.
Hey bro good luck - im not getting that sound definitely see what Ford says
Thanks! I’ll keep everyone updated.
StangMode Bruh I had that same sound on my 13'. Same exact sound and it eventually it went away I had no choice my warranty was up. I though my engine was beep beep... Its not GDI lmaooooo
My 2018 ZO6 makes ticking sounds like that also but not near that loud. I would suspect a problem.
StangMode you have a 10 auto right
Sounds like both your valves and mains or rods.
I have a 2018 gt and I got it at zero miles and now I’m at 5,000 miles no issues at all no ticking no issues don’t worry every one does not have issues
What about now any issues
@@tommybrumfield3052 nope I sold it at 48,400 miles loved every min of that car
@@nastang5.097 awesome! Glad not everyone has issues with them. Hopefully you can get another one day!
I just got back from my service appointment I made a big complaint with my survey so they took an interest with me. The manager of the service department had an employee that worked there that was having the same ticking issues and clutch shudder I was having. So for the both of us he decided he was going to do the borescope I requested. I was able to go back there and witness the borescope myself speak with the mechanic and we found nothing all the cylinder walls looked perfectly fine. The service manager got a brand new 2019 Mustang the same as mine GT performance pack manual it made the same rattle noise with light throttle between 2000 and 3000 RPMs and also had some mild clutch shudder when first engaged. I'm completely stumped I had a 2014 that made a ticking sound just like this and also a rattle after my first oil change and it had cylinder wall damage that was bad enough for them to replace the motor. I don't know what's going on with these new ones. If a brand new 2019 with no miles on it is doing the same stuff I'm just going to chill for a while and see what happens.
Honestly, I think you should have just kept the Shelby GT350. It was awesome and you've gone through a few cars since then.. . (2015+ GT, Fiesta ST, 2018 GT, others?).
Hmmm sounds normal actually. Not making the bad metal on metal tick from under car on passenger side. This engine sounds ok. And your smart not to tune it. Its a violation of Federal Law to tamper with the ecu. And the EPA is starting to crack down dealers to give them the names of customers with flagged vehicles. And there is no such thing as an undetectable tune because there is no way to re-lock the ECU. Sure you can de-tune it to stock but the ECU is now permanently unlocked... You can use Ford Racing catalog parts but your warranty becomes 75% instead of 100%. Still better than aftermarket. I am not sure if Ford us working on a performance stg 1-3 upgrade program like they did for the 2015-2017 csrs. They are getting a upgrade tune for the 2018+ Ecoboost ready. That's how they did it before: Ecoboost tune then 3 stage 5.0 upgrades. It might follow for V8s as before.
replace your fuel pump w DW-400 and start putting in 11 quarts of oil even though the book says 10. And that is from FORD walnut, creek and Valve Auto Novato (CA) NOT Motorcraft- use Amsoil engine oil rear diff and transmission. I have a 2019 GT w just about every Steeda, BMR full suspension replacement, control arm, sway bars, verical links, etc...Pedders, Granetilli coil packs, MGW, DSS solid shaft w G force rear axles, Roush cold intake and tune, 11 quarts my friend and JLT oil catch cans.
definitely hearing the high pressure fuel pump. My ecoboost and my new 17 Sierra both which are direct injection make that sound. Thatsbjust they way they are designed. Not gonna find anything to be worried about my man. Go listen to any newer direct injection engine. Your gonna hear the same :) also keep in mind sending engines have much better engine covers.what I mean is that engine cover all its there for is to dampen that sound. The 2018 had a very sharp sloping hood. There for the engine cover can't be to thick. Take the engine cover off and your gonna find some type of material cloth or rubber under it. All its purpose is to dampen the noise from the direct Injection fuel system. Bigger cars with more under hood clearance will have a bigger engine cover usually to help reduce or completely take away that noise so the driver can't notice it. So if u go look at a direct injection engine and can't hear it. Take that cover off and I bet money u will hear the same noise haha! Rest easy man!
-master certified ASE tech
If u go look at a engine make sure it's a domestic engine. European cars tend to do better about reducing that noise. (Just in case you look at a BMW or audi or anything like that)
I’m definitely hearing the GDI system, as I said in this video and last. However, like I responded to one other commenter: I’m hearing something new now that I’m not sure is being picked up by the camera. Regardless, I want to say that I find your comment reassuring and helpful. It’s nice to have comments from people that have some education and experience and to know that you aren’t hearing anything weird.
I will, in all honesty, still take it in for a look over, but your feedback is appreciated!
Just serviced another 2018 mustang gt with this noise bro it more than likely piston slap take it in asap it can get worse
I noticed in all of the videos that the manual transmission coyotes are having the issue now I may have missed a video but that's my thesis
dang that thing is louder than my cummins...
I like the new GT but man ,evertime i see a vid on people losing motors im thinking im goin to b a scatpack guy
I have an '18 5.0 and don't have that noise, something sounds wrong.
whats up Man? any News?
They found the problem the dealers are putting 8 quarts when it takes 10 quarts
Yeah, people have reported that issue for sure. However, I changed my oil with 10qts. after the break-in period. So that’s not my car’s issue (if it even has one).
I have an 18 and it’s has 6k and starting to hear noises too ima take it to ford and get it at least noted then run the f out of it ha lol hopefully they correct it before that tho
It’s 100 percent piston slap ! A advisor admitted there’s a few bad motors out there .... they’re giving me a hard time about mine saying it doesn’t happen all the time . I’m concerned for the longevity of the motor and it’s bothering me ! My is350 has a loud direct injection and this noise isn’t fuel it’s a metal noise . Can someone please help me in the Nor cal sacramento area ?
we'll see if he loses a lot of oil
hgubary
In Sacramento your best bet is Shaun at AEM. He specializes in Mustangs and you can find his work on UA-cam
It's Not the GDI system hahaha This happens to my 2013 5.OH. Mine went away on it's in after driving few 1000 miles.
I hate not knowing a noise like that, It sounds like its comping from the driver front of the engine. Almost like a baseball card in a bicycle spoke. Could be a number of things, bent push rod, timing is off alignment, crank is bad or even the piston. Or it could be because it's a new engine it need more break in period. I just shooting in the dark sorry.
TJD
This car doesn't have pushrods.
Change the oil pump gear. I heard that this is a problem
Man yours sounds louder then my it has similar noise but not as loud very concerning
I have the tick while it's warming up. After it's up to normal operating temp I hear nothing. I have a 18 GT with 4500k. I do however have thunks as I shift from time to time. Not grinding but thuds as I shift from 2-3 or while rolling and going from neutral to 1st. I need to take mine in too!
Adam Schauweker mt82 😐mines doing exactly this plus my 2-3 catches
It's getting worse too 😥
Fixed or repaired daily ford
I'm boosted and have same noise!!! just send it.
Just curious: did you turbo, twin turbo, or supercharge it?
Games&Gears its supercharged with centri I make over 700hp on pump gas and the car as made 40+ 1/4 passes dont waste your time going to the dealer if it blows it blows... most of these service writer and techs are clueless and dont care anyway.
Michael Mac my RS makes the same sound and that's my thought lol if it breaks I'll get a built block FTW lol.
Just the new injection... It's unfortunate it sounds like that, Ford needs to iron it out on the next model. Just rolled 100K on my 15GT, looking at trading it in. Won't be getting that, might be time for a Camaro.
What happened?
The bottom is exhaust leak
Check out boosted addictions channel.....they replaced his block.....it is actually damaging the wall of the block.
Make sure you put 10 quarts not 8
Sounds like a Powerstroke engine.
Try Amsoil , it couldn't hurt.
It might sound louder in person . But it sounds like direct injection to me . Beat the car they engines are famous for ticking noise my 16 has been doing it since the first hundred miles
That definitely isn't right. Sounds like something failing in the drivetrain like rocker arms on the valves.
Apart from all the problems with this car the resale value will be lousy. If I was a GT owner and I was going to keep this car for five years or more I would extend the warranty.
That shit ain’t cool, take it back to Ford and make them fix that ASAP!
But in my honest opinion ...... sound like piston slap which is bad no matter if it goes away or not ....
Honesty, you seem a bit paranoid. I'm not trying to be insulting. I know there are a lot of folks that have had some issues with their '18's but I wouldn't worry unless you have actually experienced some kind of mechanical problem. The engine sounds fine. I don't hear any thunk, just the sounds of a new coyote.
Justin Burnside Noises that aren't prevalent right away and show up 2000-2500 miles later don't concern you especially when other don't have said noise? Hmm, wonder what it would take to get you to see a car crash coming right for you .
What did you hear that was out of the ordinary? And what is the standard you base any abnormalities off of? I've got an '18 GT. I'll let you know if I experience any problems in 2000-2500 miles.
Justin Burnside Dude when I got my car from the dealer it didn't make any of the noises it's making now, which is the constant off rhythm tick from under the driver side fender and a flutter when acceleraring in the rpm range of 2000-2500. It sounds almost like maracas. I stand corrected the guy on the forum only had 1500 miles and when thwy pulled the spark plugs and dropped a boroscope they found excessive damage to cylinders 5-8 here's the link to his video and I shit you not it's the same noise my car is making.
Justin Burnside here the link ua-cam.com/video/IG4wZXck2Tg/v-deo.html
Justin Burnside here is another link ua-cam.com/video/oW0CxWp2tjc/v-deo.html
It definetly sounds defective to me, but thats just my opinion.
Buddy that’s fucked
This video has made me decide not to buy an 18 mustang fuck that
THATS NOT DIRECT INJECTION NOISE
your injectors tick. Take that hideous engine cover off and take a normal stethoscope....put it on valve cover, you probably will here no tick. Put it by the fuel injector and you probably will here a very strong audible tick. You probably will here it on the intake manifold as well.
Yeah, I want to try this before taking it in. I’ll still likely take it in, regardless... but I can use the information I gather from the stethoscope method to compare and contrast what Ford finds.
Yepp that's old school diagnosis for sure I use to do that all the time on my old small blocks to figure out what was going on . I heard a couple things but you can never tell some engines even two different ones of the same build can sound completely different doesn't always mean there is actually anything wrong with it .
Every direct injection makes the same ticking noise for dodge and Chevy all of them
Tons of videos on UA-cam complaining about the 2018 gt having problems...shame
My 2018 gt is having problems too
What’s up with yours?
sounds like a rod bearing.
Ford will tell you cars it’s ok even if car it’s not
You ran 87 in these cars? That’s a big no no!!! You can’t run 87 in these cars. That’s your problem right there!
Not according to Ford.
I understand your sentiment, but man, people need to get with the times and stop spreading this misinformation. 87, from Shell no less, doesn’t hurt these cars. Ford says so (it’s in the manual as 87 recommended), third party studies say so, and thousands of modern V8 car owners say so.
93 gets you more power, but 87 doesn’t “hurt” these engines. Modern cars have knock sensors up the wazoo and simply pull timing if need be.
When my choice is 87 or no gas because 93 isn’t available, I’m going 87.
That's not true they actually suggest 87 octane and I have had a 2016 and 2017 mustang GT premium convertible and run both on 87 octane and they both run like a dream and roar when you want them to .
Keep running 87 in it. Keep reading your manual. Keep believing it’s just a myth! Il keep going down the road with zero issues. My 18 is one of 6 mustang I own. No tick no ping out of any of em
I hope you get your issues resolved. The problem isn’t with ford engineering. The problem is what your getting at the pump. Knock sensors do a great job but they can’t detect every thing. They can’t detect carbon build up from bad gas. I’ve read all the studies done but my experience really gives me a different perspective. Poor gas can be really bad to internal components.
I agree if you get bad gas it can cause issues but these engines were set up to run on 87 and run just fine as such. If you are racing yes you don't want to run that but generally driving on the street occasionally getting in it there will be no issues unless you are buying gas from some cheep convince store that has very old tanks with trash and water and algee in them . Honestly I wish it didn't have ethenol in it that has caused more problems with our cars than anything because it will draw water if it gets too long not to mention the garbage it turns to this is why you can't even run small engine machinery on it because it crystalizes you have to take your carburetor apart and clean the diapham every time you use it or it won't start again. I bet theses cyote engines would run like a dream and get better fuel milage if they didn't have the ethenol . Not to mention when I was growing up you could buy 100 octane at the pump at most gas stations .
If thats what a "normal" 5.0 mustang sounds like, I would never buy one even if theres nothing wrong with it.....
Def not direct injection.
You are running with extremely low oil
I have an 18 GT with 2200 miles, don’t have that sound!
Don Finkey NO ticks are normal...better take it in your direct injection isn't ticking correctly
Shawn Gilbert 😊
That engine does not sound right at all. It should sound tight, but it has a top-end "ticking" (if I can call it that), and there's something else going on further down in the block. I would not be happy with it either and I say that with experience (I was an A-Grade mechanic in my younger years).
Jesus Christ that’s a noisy engine? 🙀🙀🙀
Have you watched this: ua-cam.com/video/mh5PR3ifaOc/v-deo.html guy had the same problem, and an engine change TWICE..
bad gas …..in my mustang makes it tick like crazy bad gas would cause a tick and a spark nock..... did you just say 87 octane in a 50 thousand dollar car ? timing chain noise? I bet momey timing chain issue
Mine wasn’t anywhere near $50k, but yeah it’s had 87 when 93 is out. It’s not frequent (only 2 fill-ups), but I didn’t want to lie and say it’s ONLY ever had 93.
Games&Gears. I just saying bad gas caused that issue on mine.. But your tick is extreme... I thinking timing chian noise
Could be. I’ll find out soon enough.
Heck I have a 2017 and run 87 all the time these new engines are actually designed to run on 87 octane and the computer compensates if you run higher octane it adjusts it takes a couple of gallons or so to adjust I'm pretty sure you can even run the 2018 on E-85 but check the book.
i refuse to use synthetic oil in my coyote mustang its a 2012 though and if i had one of these i would not use it either.
Felix what in the hell are you talking about ...
just what i put down i don't trust synthetic oil,whats not to understand ?
Royal purple synthetic is far superior than any other standard oil you could run in your car it may cost more but it is way slicker and runs less friction , heat and quieter.
You should have got auto.
Wouldn’t affect the engine.
Games&Gears I'm saying in general. Alot of people went to Ford dealing with transmission issues with the manual on the 2018s. Hope you plan on keeping the warranty.
Gotcha. Yes, I plan to keep this warranty and not do anything to void it.
Click on 1 18 mustang video. Led me to soo many broken down brand new mustangs haha. Now iv seen like about 20 or so. Im confused why ya so loyal to crap. If u buy a car and cant even drive it how u want to. It has to go. Go get a more reliable brand.
Don’t drive it hard
This sounds normal. Al engines in my life ticked like that.
I would use the 5w30 motorcraft oil all the time that's what I use in all of my ford engines even if the manual says 5w20
I’m specifically bringing that up to the Ford tech when I take it in.
Games&Gears Don't! Use ONLY what is recommended by Ford.
Just Me you don't know what you are talking about ford recommends 5w30 when you run the car hard jack ass
Michael Trower is he running the car hard? No he isn't Einstein. If in fact he DOES have an engine problem you DON'T want to be using ANYTHING that would cause them to blame user error. There is next to no clearance in these engines as it is moron.
It's the direct injection.
Just Me how do you know how he runs the car he said in the video he runs it hard some you stupid fuck go troll someone else's comment
Haha, Found on road dead... lol
I like mustangs had one before convertible gt but these 18s are garbage. Ford have some quality control issues. Im now considering a hellcat or an lt1 corvette/ camaro