It's kinda sad how every episode with Gerard Keay the comments argued whether he was called "Gerard" or "Jared" when in the end all he wanted to be called was Gerry :((
@@mimkyodar Yes but his name was pronounced Jared sometimes, and some people including me thought it was spelt like that too until the pronunciation starting changing lol
I mean technically speaking some of the fears apply. The Slaughter is the fear of pain, right? I sure am in a shit ton of pain when my stomach isn't working right. And there's an endless amount of people making jokes about how "the fear of being loved is the fear of being known" (the Eye). I get what he meant though.
@@jdk2535 It is not the fear of being loved that matters, but the fear that creates love; which is the fear of being alone and forgotten. That's why the Lucas family has no problem being a family, Love is literally a manifestation of The Lonely. There is simply no other action you can take that more firmly cements your fear of being alone.
I am so happy with this episode. The last time they did an exposition dump, that was the one with Leitner, I dropped the podcast for quite some time. It just sapped my enthusiasm. It felt like they revealed too much too fast and made it... way too human to make sense as cosmic entities. This episode... fixed all that. Once again I have to applaud TMA for its incredibly clever writing.
@@americantoastman7296 I kinda feel like that was the point of leitner and why he had to die according to Elias. He did dump way too much way too fast and when it overwhelmed John, much like it did to most listeners, Elias killed him because it was too much too soon. I think they did it really well honestly if you look at it like that.
@@Emma-kw1nx the wiki says he goes by he/him, although I think nonbinary headcanons are neat and nifty. I think the commenter might just not have been sure, though.
The first several episodes: "None of this is real, it all can be explained away, and I do not even know why I am here in the first place!" This point in the series: "The only way to explain all this is by talking about the concept of color itself personally hating me." I love it.
How is he not a reaccuring character? He shows up in like, half a dozen statements, is mentioned all the time, he's got this episode and there's atleast one more ep where he talks, some old tape I think.
I think there are two more entities. Everything comes in opposing pairs: The Stranger and The Watcher The Spiral and The Dark The Meat and The Rot The Hunt and The Web The End and The Ashes The Narrowing and The Vast But The Alone is not opposite The Slaughter. Also, these opposing pairs come in linked pairs. Both "being watched by an unknown" and "not knowing another" are related to both "seeing things that are false" and "not seeing things" Both "being chased down" and "being tricked into walking to your own doom" are connected to both "I will be eaten" and "my remains will rot" Both "I will die" and "I will suffer" are linked to "violence is done to us all" Both "I am trapped in a small space" and "this space is too big" are connected to "I am alone" I propose additional entities currently insufficiently powerful to act: The Hate: The fear that you are personally being targeted, that your suffering and death are happening because someone holds malice for you *personally*. Seen prominently in paranoid schizophrenics. It opposes The Slaughter which is indifferent to your pains and connects obviously with death and suffering. The Crowd: You are utterly replaceable. There are a billion more just like you and if you didn't exist, it would not matter. This one is probably just starting to rev up due to the internet. It opposes The Lonely and connects with both The Vastness of the word holding so many people and The Narrowing of the space around you as more and more people press in.
I've been following w the wiki per ep and the 14 have always been tagged and I was still stumped as to what they are and this ep is glorious as it all makes sense
Season 1: "Every word of these are dismissable lies and hallucinations, except the mentions of Leightners." Season 3: "The supposed-to-be-dead vampire hunter who kidnapped me is keeping a dead Goth in a book. FINALLY, a reliable source of information."
He deserves to be seen by the fandom as a tragic hero. :< He couldn't escape the mess his mom made of his life or the confusion of the choices he made, but he still helped, in the end.
Something heartbreaking I missed the first time around: Gerry saying he tried to “abandon” his mother. He was well into his 20’s when he tried to leave her, long past when most young people leave home. She was a fit, sharp woman in her early 60’s with her own business. She wasn’t physically, mentally, or economically dependent on her son. But she still had him convinced that moving out on his own, like every other 20-something, was abandonment. And she did her job so well that years later, with plenty of time away from her to heal, Gerry is still ashamed and still thinks of it as abandonment.
"Are we really so afraid of being eaten, our bodies being twisted or destroyed? How is that one of the 14 big fears?" "You think we're the only one's whose fear matters?" I, out loud, said "Ohhhhh thats FUCKED" and it IS. It IS FUCKED. Rusty Quill, you guys are doing a fantastic job of fucking me up emotionally, and I love you for it
Spoilers for this episode: the 14 entities 1. the Eye 2. the Spiral 3. the End 4. the Stranger 5. the Lonely 6. the Desolation 7. the Slaughter 8. the Vast 9. the Buried 10. the Dark 11. the Corruption 12. the Web 13. the Flesh 14. the Hunt
Gerard: (making a quite insightful comparison between color and fear) Jon: "So they are like colors... but if colors hated me" Too emotional and tired for metaphors, been there, bud.
headcanon time; we, the listeners, *ARE* the eye. not an avatar, or monster, or anything, not like jon saying "is that me?" to gerry explaining the eye. we are THE eye.
I'm really sad now, especially after Gerry's goodbye from Jon, but even before that my heart broke for him. After all the shit and abuse Mary had put him through, he was still so dedicated to trying to do good. Really a shame we don't get to hear more from him apparently, he was such an interesting and pleasant character. At the same time, it's about time that boy gets to rest in peace.
I AM SO SOFT. Gerry's the most "human" out of all our supernaturals and his want and willingness to CONVERSE with Jon rather than spew his stories at him is so refreshing and somehow heartwarming. He's also so much more easygoing than any of us expected I think XD
I didn't come here to be emotionally invested in a dead goth guy from a horror podcast but I'm crying and I love Gerry Keay and boy was I unprepared for that
Headcanon: Gerard knows all about the Lucases and “spooky singles” because Mary Keay forced him to go on a blind date with a Lucas girl. It did not go well.
I used to think of Gerard as this ruthless tattooed goth biker based on how people described him on their statements but he's actually really chill and nice. I love one (1) dead angsty sweet goth boi
Same. Jon's pronunciation makes it really hard to identify that it was Gerard. In fact, one times I heard Elias, I think, say Gerard, and I just thought this was an entirely different person.
me before this episode: there is only one true cinnamon roll in this story and it's clearly martin me after watching this episode: ...... there are only two true cinnamon rolls in this story-
"They don't feed on it. They ARE it." First time I listened to this episode that line blew my mind. That combined with the reveal that the Flesh became a greater entity because of the fear of animals... brilliant.
I mean, it really was the condensed version of everything though. He could have spent hours talking but he cut right to the quick while giving lots of and ALL the info 😉
Jon and Gertrude are sort of foils. Gertrude was willing to sacrifice her assistants, meanwhile Jon was willing to die for his assistants a few episodes back (with Micheal), Gertrude kept the archives in disarray, Jon is keeping it tidy, etc. Any other observations?
[SPOILERS FOR THE END OF S4] Gertrude knew what she was getting into and was always several steps ahead, Jon's been led to the ultimate doom like a lamb to the slaughter
Every time we heard of him he was saving someone! (Exept that one time when he was a teenager) His mother was quite the monster but he was just a friendly Goth! I'm glad he finally found peace.
No but seriously when he gently asked Jon to call him gerry I genuinely started bawling. Poor guy just wanted to have friends who cared for him. Didn't know I'd grown so attatched to our sassy goth boi until now :((((( I also love how everyone in the comments have immediately started calling him Gerry 😭
I have a bit of a theory as to why only the fears stick around long enough to act on the world: First off, they are sustainable. Per example, the fear of death can stick with a person for a lifetime, while the joy of, say, finding love can become a fleeting thing more easily. Fear lingers, and can feed for a long time. Second, the fears themselves are close enough to joys and comforts, that they may occupy the same "space" and prevent a separate entity from forming. The dark is threatening, but it can also be calming after a long, hard day. Being buried alive is terrifying, but rolling up in a thick blanket on a cold evening is delightful. Bottom line, I don't think there is enough distinction between the delights and the fears for there to be "need" for separate entities. Plus, it's free PR for the Fears...
I don't necessarily think that's it. Most people feel varying degrees and kinds of love and joy and hope throughout life. Not everybody is scared of the dark, or of heights, etc. I don't think it's a matter of consistency so much as intensity: the fears are a manifestation of fear taken to an extreme; that nagging thing we all have to live with turned up so high it manifests into monsters and phenomena. No feeling can be dialed up to eleven without becoming detrimental - and, in the case of positive feelings, contradicting itself. Love becomes obsession, joy becomes mania, hope becomes delusion. Additionally, fear is universal, instinctual. Even fish and insects feel an inkling of it, a reflex to get away from danger. In the end, when one is taken to the end of their rope, fear always wins, because love and joy don't guarantee survival of the species, self preservation does.
This makes decent sense. I've always found it rather comfortable getting all squished up in a tight place. It's just being trapped in it that freaks me the hell out.
I heard her story and I'm pretty sure she's been touched by the End. And people who have been touched by the End have abilities like premonition and true sight.
I really enjoyed how we could feel Jon remembering cases for each entities. Also I have a theory: if Georgie never feels fear, does it mean she's immune in a way or another to the entites ?? Like idk for exemple the Eye prevents the archivist's assistants to leave the institute, but does it mean that if Georgie worked there she could just quit if she wanted to ??
Most TMA episodes: roughly 20 minutes of slow buildup that ties into the larger story and has relisten value as both that and a standalone Family Buisiness: >30 minutes of a ghost infodumping Me: that one. That’s my favorite episode
@@nightowl8477 well technically it's something Jonny said was canon mostly as a joke. It's not in the actual episode, so i don't see why it would be a spoiler.
There's a subtle but amazing bit of sound design when they mention the Buried, where the ambient droning picks up a super low frequency that feels like it's pressing in on your eardrums. It's loud but quiet at the same time, creating a feeling of oppressive tightness seemingly out of nowhere. Holy crap that's clever.
It kinda blew my mind when the Flesh was explained. I jumped to the same conclusion that Jon did at first- assuming that all the powers were strictly based upon human fears, but it makes SO much sense that there would be some powers that touched on animal fears.
So, here are my notes on the powers based on this episode if anyone else needs them (SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE) The 14 Powers: 1. The Eye - Fear of being watched, followed, having your deepest fears exposed, needing to know, being used to be observed 2. The Spiral - Fear of madness, that your world isn’t right, that your mind is lying to you 3. The End - Fear of death 4. The Stranger - Fear of the unknown, the uncanny, that creeping sense that something’s not right 5. The Lonely - Fear of being alone, not being able to connect, isolation 6. The Desolation - Fear of pain, loss, unthinking or cruel destruction, burning 7. The Slaughter - Fear of violence, unpredictable, war 8. The Vast - Fear of falling, vertigo, agoraphobia, acraphobia, deep water, insignificance 9. The Buried - Fear of tight spaces, claustrophobia, small spaces, crushing, can’t breathe, not enough space 10. The Dark - Fear of the dark and what might be in it 11. The Corruption - Fear of the disgusting, rot, decay, infection, trypophobia 12. The Web - Fear of spiders, loss of control, your will not being your own, being manipulated or puppeteered, being caught in an invisible trap 13. The Flesh - Fear of being eaten, gore, vore, of being nothing but meat 14. The Hunt - Fear of being hunted, prey
@@chiaramangold7758 I think the Flesh is mostly summed up in the fear that we are just meat,like that all that we are are just...objects to be eaten,morphed or reformed like any other. It's not the only fear that does body-horror, but The Flesh tends to focus on it more due to that aspect. Fear of being just the flesh that we are and can't ascend from maybe?
This episode destroyed me, but isn't it so interesting that the avatars of the Eye are the ones to stop the rituals? It's like they're watchdogging the other fears. Fascinating.
I wonder if gertrudes dind't in fact want to do the eye ritual somehow, or maybe Elias wants and that is why he could have killed her, because i think most of the entities don't want other rituals to take place, but the eye may be the one that knows about others movements and can try to stop, but i don't know if it is so different from the others.
I've always liked Gerard and had a feeling he was sweet and misunderstood really, caught up in this situation he didn't want to be a part of. And now it turns out I was right. I'm so happy.
okay, my one rational thought: makes a little bit too much sense that the Lukas family serves the isolation. anyways, FAVORITE EPISODE EVER i LOVE gerry. LOVE HIM. goth king. i cant BELIEVE were being introduced to him just before he dies!!!!! goddammit. anyways im definitely gonna be coming back to this episode a lot
Knew I liked him before, especially when we hear that the one time Leitner went outside, Gerry found him IMMEDIATELY and fucking curbstomped him without hesitation But this? Oof, relistening doesn't make it easier We stan a Goth King
Theres a lot of tragic characters in this series but for me probably the most heartbreaking is Gerad. Hearing his story and his final wish for somebody, a friend to call him Gerry and Jon agreeing to that request; my heart needs a minute to recover you guys
I legit had to sit down at the "you think people are so special that it's only our fear that counts?" That was... a thought for the day. Ouch. Also, I am now sad about our Gerry. That one hurt, a lot.
*makes him tear out the page* "Okay, now answer the one question I did that for" "Oh yeah no idea, cheers mate good luck with the murderers" god i love gerard
So the Lukases are avatars of The Lonely while the Fairchilds are of The Vast. Explains why Jude Perry said Mike Crew "hangs out" with thr Fairchilds since he appears on some episodes regarding The Vast
I wish there were some way to bring Gerry to a point where he can exist without the pain of being dead and still around. If only there were a way he could live without the pain. Being trapped might not be so bad if it were with the right people, but I just can't wrap my head around being in so much pain
24:43 you call tell Gerry's had to recite this over and over again as part of Mary's lessons. The way his tone changes and he rambles it off. He's so sick of it lol. That's such a great detail.
Jon made a friend :') I wish he could stay on friendly terms with Julia and Trevor too, but what with the book burning it's pretty inevitable they turn on him. I just want Jon to have friendly conversations on the regular. Also I love the sound effect they used for Gerard, it's really neat to hear it in the background as he talks. So sad he's not sticking around, but it'd be a huge violation of trust for Jon to keep him.
"How do I stop the unknowing?"
"Idontknow"
"wHAT-"
6:40
THAT'S MY FAVORITE PART! LMAO. I legit replayed it for about five minutes the first time I heard it 😂
The fact that he basically just fucked himself over to hear him say that
"You can't be serious"
"I'm dead serious"
Gerry has been waiting for the perfect time to make that joke since he got in the book hasn't he..?
I simply have no choice but to stan a goth king. Mr. Gerry... its been an honor.
GOTH KING
Goth king ヽ(^o^)丿🖤
I too stan the goth king and I too have an eye tattoo
@dontasklongstory2164 I'm planning on getting an eye tat just bc of Gerry lmao
"I am DEAD sERiOus". COME ON GERARD you really couldn't resist that one??
He couldnt and I thank him for it
He’s an undead metalhead who has no more damns left to give. He embraces the cheese.
It's kinda sad how every episode with Gerard Keay the comments argued whether he was called "Gerard" or "Jared" when in the end all he wanted to be called was Gerry :((
oh this is an amazing comment
Except he was never Jared. Jared was a completely different character
And now people are probably going to argue over whether it’s Gerry or Jerry! It never ends, just let the man rest!
@@mimkyodar Yes but his name was pronounced Jared sometimes, and some people including me thought it was spelt like that too until the pronunciation starting changing lol
@@everythingcoffee8901 not really. Its more that there is a subtle tonal inflection people weren't picking up on.
"There aren't any godlike powers of hope or love or indigestion." Just wait until Jon meets my new OC, the Avatar of Indigestion.
please tell me you've actually done something with this idea because I'd love to see it.
ah yes, the most powerful of the avatars
I mean technically speaking some of the fears apply. The Slaughter is the fear of pain, right? I sure am in a shit ton of pain when my stomach isn't working right. And there's an endless amount of people making jokes about how "the fear of being loved is the fear of being known" (the Eye). I get what he meant though.
Reminds me of the god of indigestion from the book Hogfather
@@jdk2535 It is not the fear of being loved that matters, but the fear that creates love; which is the fear of being alone and forgotten. That's why the Lucas family has no problem being a family, Love is literally a manifestation of The Lonely. There is simply no other action you can take that more firmly cements your fear of being alone.
"I think I finally understand why she brought me back. I just don't understand why she left me behind." The saddest line in series
I almost cried the first time I heard it
How to kill all my affection for Gertrude Robinson in one line
@@thiagoalencar3937 she was literally murdered i don't think she meant to leave him stuck there
Gerard Keay, Jurgen Leitner and Elias Bouchard: exposition squad
Margarida Bento Dead and sweet, dead and stupid, undead and evil. There’s a Theme.
@@mrjones2721 what Panic! At the Disco song is this
also dead squad (hopefully)
I am so happy with this episode. The last time they did an exposition dump, that was the one with Leitner, I dropped the podcast for quite some time. It just sapped my enthusiasm. It felt like they revealed too much too fast and made it... way too human to make sense as cosmic entities.
This episode... fixed all that. Once again I have to applaud TMA for its incredibly clever writing.
@@americantoastman7296 I kinda feel like that was the point of leitner and why he had to die according to Elias. He did dump way too much way too fast and when it overwhelmed John, much like it did to most listeners, Elias killed him because it was too much too soon. I think they did it really well honestly if you look at it like that.
I don't think I've ever quite been as sad for a character as I just was for Gerard Keay. I wish they'd had more people who called them Gerry.
Gerry is a they?
@@Emma-kw1nx ;)
@@Emma-kw1nx the wiki says he goes by he/him, although I think nonbinary headcanons are neat and nifty. I think the commenter might just not have been sure, though.
okay yeah this comment actually did make me headcanon gerry as being nb and going by they/them lol
it makes me very happy that most of the fandom calls him gerry, like we all decided that yes we are his friend thanks
I didn't think that gerard was ultimately just a misunderstood goth
Aren't we all
🎵Gerry is an average goth
That no one understands
Gertrude, Mum, and Leitner
Put too much stress on his hands🎵
@@heresthadude1080 Fairy Odd Parents, I like you
gerard way
Wait how did I miss he was goth?can someone point me to the evidence? (Genuinely curious! As a goth :) )
"i've always wanted my friend to call me Jerry..."
"well, thank you, *Jerry* "
:,)
Yeah
Gerry*
Gerry*
The first several episodes: "None of this is real, it all can be explained away, and I do not even know why I am here in the first place!"
This point in the series: "The only way to explain all this is by talking about the concept of color itself personally hating me."
I love it.
gerard :(( i definitely didnt imagine him to be this funny and easy going i wish he was a reoccurring character
Well, I mean, he sort of was.
JERRY
@@darinae34 DENNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??!!!!
How is he not a reaccuring character? He shows up in like, half a dozen statements, is mentioned all the time, he's got this episode and there's atleast one more ep where he talks, some old tape I think.
@@sele6138yeah he was even present as early as ep12
Favorite episode so far.
"How do you stop the unknowing?"
* shrug * "Eh, I dunnow-"
"WHAT!?"
I DIED laughing at that part 😂
This is one of my all time faves and yes that part always cracks me up 😂
Gerry is like that one D&D player who takes notes
And has a word doc with his backstory, four pages, arial 12, single-spaced
As someone obsessed with D&D and TMA, I adore this
@@fruitygarlic3601 same
Can confirm
@@margaridabento9726 as someone who is the note taker of my dnd group, yep
"Like colors but if colors hated me" I'm dying XD
oh my god all that exposition about the 14 fears was SO satisfying to listen to
I think there are two more entities.
Everything comes in opposing pairs:
The Stranger and The Watcher
The Spiral and The Dark
The Meat and The Rot
The Hunt and The Web
The End and The Ashes
The Narrowing and The Vast
But The Alone is not opposite The Slaughter.
Also, these opposing pairs come in linked pairs.
Both "being watched by an unknown" and "not knowing another" are related to both "seeing things that are false" and "not seeing things"
Both "being chased down" and "being tricked into walking to your own doom" are connected to both "I will be eaten" and "my remains will rot"
Both "I will die" and "I will suffer" are linked to "violence is done to us all"
Both "I am trapped in a small space" and "this space is too big" are connected to "I am alone"
I propose additional entities currently insufficiently powerful to act:
The Hate: The fear that you are personally being targeted, that your suffering and death are happening because someone holds malice for you *personally*. Seen prominently in paranoid schizophrenics. It opposes The Slaughter which is indifferent to your pains and connects obviously with death and suffering.
The Crowd: You are utterly replaceable. There are a billion more just like you and if you didn't exist, it would not matter. This one is probably just starting to rev up due to the internet. It opposes The Lonely and connects with both The Vastness of the word holding so many people and The Narrowing of the space around you as more and more people press in.
They really went next level with this reconstruction of the situation, amazing 👏
@@ishner 👏👏👏👏 bravo
I've been following w the wiki per ep and the 14 have always been tagged and I was still stumped as to what they are and this ep is glorious as it all makes sense
I agree! It was that entire section that made this one of my favorite episodes so far.
Season 1: "Every word of these are dismissable lies and hallucinations, except the mentions of Leightners."
Season 3: "The supposed-to-be-dead vampire hunter who kidnapped me is keeping a dead Goth in a book. FINALLY, a reliable source of information."
We've come a long way
WORM WIFE?
_Fair enough_
This series really out here feeding us with wives
@Emily Barclay i'd feed myself to the monster wives
Oh my, we finally meet Gerard and he is no Monster at all, he's a dramatic hero, the one who finally brings sense to the confusion.
Yeah, I’m really sad for him. 😔
I actually always thought of him as a good guy. Glad to see I wasn't wrong.
He deserves to be seen by the fandom as a tragic hero. :< He couldn't escape the mess his mom made of his life or the confusion of the choices he made, but he still helped, in the end.
Something heartbreaking I missed the first time around: Gerry saying he tried to “abandon” his mother. He was well into his 20’s when he tried to leave her, long past when most young people leave home. She was a fit, sharp woman in her early 60’s with her own business. She wasn’t physically, mentally, or economically dependent on her son. But she still had him convinced that moving out on his own, like every other 20-something, was abandonment. And she did her job so well that years later, with plenty of time away from her to heal, Gerry is still ashamed and still thinks of it as abandonment.
(Like every other 20-something who can afford it, I mean. No shade on people who don’t have the option.)
That's an excellent observation. :(
@@mrjones2721true- she just emotionally manipulated and abused him that much
"always wanted my friends to call me Gerry"
HOW DARE U BREAK ME LIKE THIS
You will be missed, Gerry, but at least you _did,_ actually, managed to curb stomp Jurgen half to death 😂
"Are we really so afraid of being eaten, our bodies being twisted or destroyed? How is that one of the 14 big fears?"
"You think we're the only one's whose fear matters?"
I, out loud, said "Ohhhhh thats FUCKED" and it IS. It IS FUCKED. Rusty Quill, you guys are doing a fantastic job of fucking me up emotionally, and I love you for it
Gosh, saaaaame.
And the way John says "Noooooo" as he realizes slowly the implication... I wanted to throw my computer away.
Is the implication there about the fear of the other animals and creatures of earth?
Never mind, answered my own question
im eatung chicken while listeni g to this 😁
One HELL of a line dropped at the perfect time.
Spoilers for this episode: the 14 entities
1. the Eye
2. the Spiral
3. the End
4. the Stranger
5. the Lonely
6. the Desolation
7. the Slaughter
8. the Vast
9. the Buried
10. the Dark
11. the Corruption
12. the Web
13. the Flesh
14. the Hunt
Spoilers
There's one more. Shhhhh.....
Mega Spoilers
It was not supposed to be born. But "the events" made it... "incarnate"
@@belindaluna2067 which one?
@@belindaluna2067 BUT IS THERE?!?!?!?!?!
thank you so much I was going to make a list myself but didn't want to evoke their names myself
"My friends call me Gerry" 😭
Oh god, I know!!!
At least jon was his freaind before he was realesd
Gerard: (making a quite insightful comparison between color and fear)
Jon: "So they are like colors... but if colors hated me"
Too emotional and tired for metaphors, been there, bud.
25:09 "The feeling that something, somewhere, is letting you suffer, just so it can watch", oh hey that's us
headcanon time; we, the listeners, *ARE* the eye. not an avatar, or monster, or anything, not like jon saying "is that me?" to gerry explaining the eye. we are THE eye.
@Cheshire5174 this is my favourite headcannon I love this
I'm really sad now, especially after Gerry's goodbye from Jon, but even before that my heart broke for him. After all the shit and abuse Mary had put him through, he was still so dedicated to trying to do good. Really a shame we don't get to hear more from him apparently, he was such an interesting and pleasant character. At the same time, it's about time that boy gets to rest in peace.
I AM SO SOFT. Gerry's the most "human" out of all our supernaturals and his want and willingness to CONVERSE with Jon rather than spew his stories at him is so refreshing and somehow heartwarming. He's also so much more easygoing than any of us expected I think XD
"He worked in the archives like you, but quit once I was born"
"quit".
bestie *how*
oh
@@xCiarithis made me laugh REALLY HARD
Well, it said that the others who work at the archive that don’t _know_ _can_ quit. It’s only the main crew that are really tied.
I didn't come here to be emotionally invested in a dead goth guy from a horror podcast but I'm crying and I love Gerry Keay and boy was I unprepared for that
Damn why are there no "spooky singles" in my area :(
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@@noomre9105 And that on 4/20 2020!!! BLESSED
You're just not looking hard enough
Marked by The Lonely, maybe :(
You don't need them the Lonely already has you
Headcanon: Gerard knows all about the Lucases and “spooky singles” because Mary Keay forced him to go on a blind date with a Lucas girl.
It did not go well.
I would 1000% read a fic like this. Heck, I may write one myself now.
@@loki1456 do it
A: new heacanon
B: its spelled Lukas
@@loki1456 this go anywhere? I’m interested
I used to think of Gerard as this ruthless tattooed goth biker based on how people described him on their statements but he's actually really chill and nice. I love one (1) dead angsty sweet goth boi
mood
i spent over one hundred episodes thinking this mans name was "JARED"
Ngl - I did, too 😂😂😂
same
ME TOO
Age 19
Same. Jon's pronunciation makes it really hard to identify that it was Gerard. In fact, one times I heard Elias, I think, say Gerard, and I just thought this was an entirely different person.
me before this episode: there is only one true cinnamon roll in this story and it's clearly martin
me after watching this episode: ...... there are only two true cinnamon rolls in this story-
they are both very good
There are three and the third one is Michael Shelley
@@lilaboxx Thank you! Was about to say the same :'(
"I always wanted my friends to call me Gerry." My heart broke.
"Dying isn't so bad! It's staying dead that sucks..."
gERRY
"I always wanted my friends to call me Gerry"
"....thank you, Gerry"
THAT GETS ME EVERY TIME 😭
"They don't feed on it. They ARE it." First time I listened to this episode that line blew my mind. That combined with the reveal that the Flesh became a greater entity because of the fear of animals... brilliant.
it's like fire, or a puddle
add more, it gets bigger
I love the way he was like "I'll make it quick" then spends the next twenty minutes talking
For a given value of the word "quick"...
I mean, it really was the condensed version of everything though. He could have spent hours talking but he cut right to the quick while giving lots of and ALL the info 😉
Never believe when someone connected to the Eye will make anything quick
Gerry is captain of the "Didn't Deserve Any of the Shit that Happened to Them" squad 💀🖤
Jon offering a ghost a light is a mood
Well, he promised to light up his page, so in a way...
Can I have a cigarette?
There was such a softness to this performance. There was so much character in a single appearance. I'm gonna miss you Gerry.
Gerard is a comedian and that's fantastic.
Jon and Gertrude are sort of foils. Gertrude was willing to sacrifice her assistants, meanwhile Jon was willing to die for his assistants a few episodes back (with Micheal), Gertrude kept the archives in disarray, Jon is keeping it tidy, etc. Any other observations?
Gertrude doesn't like compelling people, Jon enjoys it.
@@mrjones2721 Same with statements Gertrude only read then aloud when she had to, John is obsessed with them.
Omg this is the best comment thread thank you all
Gertrude didn’t form attachments, Jon would probably get attached to a broken shoelace if it was left in the archives long enough
[SPOILERS FOR THE END OF S4]
Gertrude knew what she was getting into and was always several steps ahead, Jon's been led to the ultimate doom like a lamb to the slaughter
Hands up if you were unprepared to like Gerard Keay.
I've loved him ever since he helped that old man retain his self when the Lonely tried to get him. Alone in a Crowd, I think it was.
I was 100% prepared.
I do, holy shit he's a good character. Shame he only actually appeared in this episode
@@Zooasaurus Mild spoiler: The storyteller rule in TMA is that the dead stay dead... but old tapes can be played any time.
Every time we heard of him he was saving someone! (Exept that one time when he was a teenager)
His mother was quite the monster but he was just a friendly Goth! I'm glad he finally found peace.
No but seriously when he gently asked Jon to call him gerry I genuinely started bawling. Poor guy just wanted to have friends who cared for him. Didn't know I'd grown so attatched to our sassy goth boi until now :((((( I also love how everyone in the comments have immediately started calling him Gerry 😭
I have a bit of a theory as to why only the fears stick around long enough to act on the world: First off, they are sustainable. Per example, the fear of death can stick with a person for a lifetime, while the joy of, say, finding love can become a fleeting thing more easily. Fear lingers, and can feed for a long time.
Second, the fears themselves are close enough to joys and comforts, that they may occupy the same "space" and prevent a separate entity from forming. The dark is threatening, but it can also be calming after a long, hard day. Being buried alive is terrifying, but rolling up in a thick blanket on a cold evening is delightful. Bottom line, I don't think there is enough distinction between the delights and the fears for there to be "need" for separate entities. Plus, it's free PR for the Fears...
I don't necessarily think that's it. Most people feel varying degrees and kinds of love and joy and hope throughout life. Not everybody is scared of the dark, or of heights, etc.
I don't think it's a matter of consistency so much as intensity: the fears are a manifestation of fear taken to an extreme; that nagging thing we all have to live with turned up so high it manifests into monsters and phenomena.
No feeling can be dialed up to eleven without becoming detrimental - and, in the case of positive feelings, contradicting itself. Love becomes obsession, joy becomes mania, hope becomes delusion.
Additionally, fear is universal, instinctual. Even fish and insects feel an inkling of it, a reflex to get away from danger. In the end, when one is taken to the end of their rope, fear always wins, because love and joy don't guarantee survival of the species, self preservation does.
I'm with Margarida on this one.
if you look to say warhammer 40k - the chaos entities are what they are because those emotions are more powerful more felt.
This makes decent sense. I've always found it rather comfortable getting all squished up in a tight place. It's just being trapped in it that freaks me the hell out.
I'm going to predict that Georgie has some kind of immunity or protection against these monsters
Same
I actually thought he would ask about her... a bit disappointed
that's what I was thinking!
I heard her story and I'm pretty sure she's been touched by the End. And people who have been touched by the End have abilities like premonition and true sight.
Well if she cant feel fear, it's unlikely she can be affected by it, so probably honestly
Gerard is so casual it's killing me 😅
Lmao imagine forgetting Gerard’s page in your pants pocket and putting him through the wash 😭
he needed a BATH
I really enjoyed how we could feel Jon remembering cases for each entities. Also I have a theory: if Georgie never feels fear, does it mean she's immune in a way or another to the entites ?? Like idk for exemple the Eye prevents the archivist's assistants to leave the institute, but does it mean that if Georgie worked there she could just quit if she wanted to ??
Idk cause it doesn't seem to be fear that stops Tim from quitting but the fact that his body starts giving up the ghost. :/
oh my god. he was never Jared. he was Gerard. i can't believe i went through so many episodes thinking homeboy's name was Jared.
because there was a Jared. and two micheals. Cmon guys, theres more names in the english language
@@anemoi6803 and like 20 toms
And also a lot of millitary ranks (including 2 cats)
Most TMA episodes: roughly 20 minutes of slow buildup that ties into the larger story and has relisten value as both that and a standalone
Family Buisiness: >30 minutes of a ghost infodumping
Me: that one. That’s my favorite episode
“ *w H A T* “
Angry Jon is best Jon, change my mind
Gerard's little "IdonKnow"s are so adorable
"Was it peaceful?" This old lady charged Elias with a machete before taking two more bullets to the chest what a life she lived xD
That's a spoiler.
@@nightowl8477 well technically it's something Jonny said was canon mostly as a joke. It's not in the actual episode, so i don't see why it would be a spoiler.
It's interesting that the basement in Old Passages had 14 corridors, one for each entity. Really shows what Smirke meant by balance
And the corridors gave off the same creepy overwhelming feelings as looking at some of Leitner's books.
I really love the amount of background noises they add when a Weird thing is happening, and how they're all unique
The voice effects for Gerard are really cool, IMO
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"Like colors, but if colors hated me." is the biggest artist mood
This was a really good episode!
There's a subtle but amazing bit of sound design when they mention the Buried, where the ambient droning picks up a super low frequency that feels like it's pressing in on your eardrums. It's loud but quiet at the same time, creating a feeling of oppressive tightness seemingly out of nowhere. Holy crap that's clever.
It kinda blew my mind when the Flesh was explained. I jumped to the same conclusion that Jon did at first- assuming that all the powers were strictly based upon human fears, but it makes SO much sense that there would be some powers that touched on animal fears.
So, here are my notes on the powers based on this episode if anyone else needs them (SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE)
The 14 Powers:
1. The Eye - Fear of being watched, followed, having your deepest fears exposed, needing to know, being used to be observed
2. The Spiral - Fear of madness, that your world isn’t right, that your mind is lying to you
3. The End - Fear of death
4. The Stranger - Fear of the unknown, the uncanny, that creeping sense that something’s not right
5. The Lonely - Fear of being alone, not being able to connect, isolation
6. The Desolation - Fear of pain, loss, unthinking or cruel destruction, burning
7. The Slaughter - Fear of violence, unpredictable, war
8. The Vast - Fear of falling, vertigo, agoraphobia, acraphobia, deep water, insignificance
9. The Buried - Fear of tight spaces, claustrophobia, small spaces, crushing, can’t breathe, not enough space
10. The Dark - Fear of the dark and what might be in it
11. The Corruption - Fear of the disgusting, rot, decay, infection, trypophobia
12. The Web - Fear of spiders, loss of control, your will not being your own, being manipulated or puppeteered, being caught in an invisible trap
13. The Flesh - Fear of being eaten, gore, vore, of being nothing but meat
14. The Hunt - Fear of being hunted, prey
Ah thank you!
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The Flesh is also body dysmorphia i think, like that bodybuilder episode.
@@Silversteeldragon that's a good point. How would you add that to the list? I'm having trouble finding the right words
@@chiaramangold7758 I think the Flesh is mostly summed up in the fear that we are just meat,like that all that we are are just...objects to be eaten,morphed or reformed like any other. It's not the only fear that does body-horror, but The Flesh tends to focus on it more due to that aspect.
Fear of being just the flesh that we are and can't ascend from maybe?
This episode destroyed me, but isn't it so interesting that the avatars of the Eye are the ones to stop the rituals? It's like they're watchdogging the other fears. Fascinating.
Well, I figure all of them must hate The Beholding. Most of fear relies on the unknown.
I'm sure that some like to mess with other rituals, but it's the eye that constantly keeps an eye on what the others are up to... 👁️
I wonder if gertrudes dind't in fact want to do the eye ritual somehow, or maybe Elias wants and that is why he could have killed her, because i think most of the entities don't want other rituals to take place, but the eye may be the one that knows about others movements and can try to stop, but i don't know if it is so different from the others.
@@SwirlyPinwheel nobody likes the hall monitor
The tired babysitter
'except for the vampires' I cracked up
"Oh I don't know"
*_"WHAT?!!"_*
I've always liked Gerard and had a feeling he was sweet and misunderstood really, caught up in this situation he didn't want to be a part of. And now it turns out I was right. I'm so happy.
okay, my one rational thought: makes a little bit too much sense that the Lukas family serves the isolation. anyways, FAVORITE EPISODE EVER i LOVE gerry. LOVE HIM. goth king. i cant BELIEVE were being introduced to him just before he dies!!!!! goddammit. anyways im definitely gonna be coming back to this episode a lot
AND HAVING THE FEARS EXPLAINED WAS SUPER GREAT TOO. A LOT MAKES SENSE
Same with Leitner same with Sky Michael. They finally have the characters talk and they're wonderful aND THEN THEY JUST DIE-
Knew I liked him before, especially when we hear that the one time Leitner went outside, Gerry found him IMMEDIATELY and fucking curbstomped him without hesitation
But this? Oof, relistening doesn't make it easier
We stan a Goth King
"I always wanted my friends to call me Gerry" I AM ABOUT TO SOB
Gerard, you'll be missed. rip.
Gerard: lists the fears' names
Everyone who is relistening and didn't want to spoil new listeners: fucking finally, we can call them out by name
“Like colors, but if colors hated me.”
Theres a lot of tragic characters in this series but for me probably the most heartbreaking is Gerad. Hearing his story and his final wish for somebody, a friend to call him Gerry and Jon agreeing to that request; my heart needs a minute to recover you guys
I legit had to sit down at the "you think people are so special that it's only our fear that counts?" That was... a thought for the day. Ouch.
Also, I am now sad about our Gerry. That one hurt, a lot.
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"like colors but if colors hated me" gods I love that XD
"Gods"
"like colors but they hate me" my favorite quote of the series
“call me gerry, I always wanted my friends to call me that” OWWWWWW MY HEART
"I always wanted my friends to call me Gerry."
I am not okay
im not ok?!?!?@??! like my chamical romans@?!??!?!!?
@@whentheskittlesfightbackMY FAVORITE BAND! i love my chemistry show pants!!!!!!
31:20 'i guess some people have a weird relationship with fear'
Literally everyone here 🤣🤣🤣
Gerry, I love you, you've made more fucking progress in explaining these entities in 20 minutes than in a hundred episodes.
IVE ONLY HAD GERARD FOR ONE EPISODE BUT IF ANYTHING- oh wait
GODFUCKING DAMMIT
*makes him tear out the page*
"Okay, now answer the one question I did that for"
"Oh yeah no idea, cheers mate good luck with the murderers"
god i love gerard
6:43 is the best part of this episode
Flustered ragey Jon is an adorable Jon.
So the Lukases are avatars of The Lonely while the Fairchilds are of The Vast. Explains why Jude Perry said Mike Crew "hangs out" with thr Fairchilds since he appears on some episodes regarding The Vast
I wish there were some way to bring Gerry to a point where he can exist without the pain of being dead and still around. If only there were a way he could live without the pain. Being trapped might not be so bad if it were with the right people, but I just can't wrap my head around being in so much pain
That was some really well made exposition. Poor Gerry. Also the "Family Business" - the Winchesters anyone?
The fact that her name was mary doesn't help...
@@apollyoniguess oh God yes
imo the Winchesters would probably serve the Hunt
24:43 you call tell Gerry's had to recite this over and over again as part of Mary's lessons. The way his tone changes and he rambles it off. He's so sick of it lol. That's such a great detail.
"Jerry, I wanted my friends to call me Jerry" hit SO HARD. I wasn't expecting that.
Jon made a friend :') I wish he could stay on friendly terms with Julia and Trevor too, but what with the book burning it's pretty inevitable they turn on him. I just want Jon to have friendly conversations on the regular.
Also I love the sound effect they used for Gerard, it's really neat to hear it in the background as he talks. So sad he's not sticking around, but it'd be a huge violation of trust for Jon to keep him.
"I always wanted my friends to call me Gerry." Sobbing, screaming, crying, inconsolable.
Jons excessive sighing while Gerard is explaining colours is hilarious lol
I watched a leech swallow a worm and now the Corruption is trying to fill my head with the image
why'd you have to put it in my head
I haven't heard so many sighs in a single half-hour period since....well, the last episode with Johnny in it. 😀
Great episode though!
Wait, Gerry's dad worked in the Archives? How was he able to quit?
...OH.
@@10brokenradios ooh he died, didn't he? so maybe Mary killed him before the Eye could?
@@-S.L. just keep listening, you'll know what happened to him soon enough
@@10brokenradios adventure ahoy!
The slaughter
The dark
The buried
The vast
The spiral
The eye
The end
The stranger
The lonely
The desolation
The corruption
The web
The flesh
The hunt
This is my favorite episode. Ever. I'm just too emotional to write anything comprehensive, so, yeah. Gosh, I love Gerry and Jon so much :,)
"I'm not their bloody Monster Manual." I mean, given Trevor's age, I think he'd consider Gerry a "Fiend Folio" XD