I get the cost, landscaping is hard work. I'm dealing with a remodel and those rates aren't too negotiable. Have to do the math and plus up, before you get started. Hats off to al the laborers.
I appreciate that you recognize the benefits of hiring out and getting things done properly and the value associated with that. DIY is not for everyone especially if you're shooting for a picture perfect outcome.
I love that in-ground sprinklers are so common in the US that almost every lawn channel I watch you guys talk about them like they are in everyone's yard. Here in Ontario Canada, I think I've almost never seen a property with them.
The US covers many climate zones. In the Northeast, they're not super common. Most likely for the same reasons as Ontario... the one time you forget to winterize it, you'll be replacing the whole system! Much easier in states with warm winters.
Great breakdown. I am working on leveling my yard because of your videos and I am understanding the "extra costs" because of all things I keep buying. Thank you for talking me out of concrete curbs. I truly appreciate it. 🙂
You get what you pay for. Looks like it's high quality and done right! It will pay off in time. Just think every time you step outside and admire it, consider it paid for. Your home value will go up, consider it paid for. Your neighbors will appreciate it, consider it paid for. Your channel will get views from it, consider it paid for!!!
Great Info. It's like buying a house. You don't just go to closing and start living in the house. There is curtains, blinds, rugs, shower curtains, furniture, lawn mowers, and etc. A lot of folks overlook and do not plan for that expense. Again, great video.
Hey guy, when I owned and ran my curbing businesses, 1) always removed all excess concrete from edges of curb as part of the job (geez that's awful to have to do yourself) 2) while I usually didn't take out all the extra sod between where curb goes and fence in your instance, I always garbage bagged up all the sod from cutting the curb path. Made for a big load at the curb but customers didn't really like having to diy or call in another guy. $ talks and if your curber was smart he'd have run the option by you. 'course if you thought 4.75/ft was expensive then you probably would not have paid the few more $ per foot for sod removal... Curious, why not just install taller sprinkler heads that shoot over the curb, or raise them with some creative pvc work, instead of the expensive re-piping process?
Hey Glenn! My area is full of penny pinchers and business is so competitive by passer byer companies its tough. few quotes came in at $2.50 per linear foot but I've learned my lesson with the low ballers. concrete wouldn't have been as dense as I'd like and the finish wouldn't have been as nice either. My local area is so full of low ballers that the people just get used to the bare minimum and figure they'll just do the rest on there own. As for the sprinklers. I'm planning on planting other edible trees and plants throughout and the foliage will eventually get in the way so it didn't make sense to leave them be.
Don’t feel bad man.. every project I do has hidden costs. Question... were you expecting the border to be right up against the fence? And if not, what are you going to put between the gap?
Great question. I didn't want the border along the fence due to the catch bin of my cylinder reel. On the east side I planted more edible plants and some decorative. I haven't quiet figured out what I'll do with the front yard yet.
This use to popular in the 1960s to 1970s here in NY, but with winter freeze and thaw most of these buckled and cracked over time. My neighbor has one his grandfather installed back in the 1960s, but half of it is sunken below or lifted up above the grass line. 1:20 That curb is going to be pretty tight when those two trees mature I've changed my layout of the planting beds so many times in the last 20 years, curbing the beds would never have worked for me. But curbing to street to lawn I will always recommend, seen so many rotted out wood timber street curbs in my neighborhood.
What's the use of hiring the best when you still have to pick up after them. I am in the process of getting border edging. Thank you for letting me know this extra cost. I will be asking more questions when I get quotes. Thank you for the great video.
edge looks great...i was thinking of doing this in some form in my back yard also but mine is to keep my rocks #2 from pushing against my wooden fence and bowing the bottom....if they told me it would be 2000 right from the start including all the debris removal, i would say DO IT now....i think if the concrete guys gave you a price like that in the beginning , it would have saved you time and money would have been upfront with no hidden costs...except maybe the sprinkler moving costs...great yard Ginja
Thank you! It was a fun project and very rewarding in the end. I will never regret the decision. soo functional. I knew the hidden fees upfront. not because I asked but just due to me understanding how things work in my area. Glad to know its helping people.
Great video and outline of additional costs! Super helpful. When you filled in the gab between lawn and new curbing, did you go back and over seed the new dirt as well?
this is when I had kentucky bluegrass so i just let nature take its course. if i didn't have something that spreads like kbg or bermuda etc I would seed.
I watched this just to see what the extra costs were and thankfully I'm not that rich so I don't have sod or sprinkler system or any of the extra costs u have. I just want the edging around my garden :-)
Dang son! That extra cost sure must have been a shock. Great that you were so thorough and clear about the real price of the job. I hope Mrs Ginja didn't get too worked up over the end price.
She is super pleased with the results. I'll end up putting in a succulent garden to please here LOL plus she never watches my channel so that helps hahaha.
As a vinyl fence installer I would advise against using fence bottom rails as bulkhead for dirt,rocks or even mulch. I have seen many homeowners bow their rails out very badly. That black aluminum edging that some pros use would be one solution .
Thought for sure last week you'd be excited to use that gorgeous sod to repair a few areas in the front and back yard. But sure you were not looking for more work after seeing the additional work involved in the boarder project. Isn't that how every project is...I always triple my initial time estimates. Called J&J Nursery/Great Basin Turf yesterday looking for Turf Blue Pro seed. They didn't seem to have it or maybe they have essentially the same thing under their own custom Barenbrug mixes but they didn't know the content of their mixes. Have you found a place locally that sells Turf Blue Pro by the pound for small seeding projects? Loved the view off Timp btw. That is such a gorgeous hike especially in July when the wild flowers are blooming!
@@pestandlawnginja Thanks I'll give them a call. I really like the curbing and am interested to see how you develop the new beds. Not sure I've seen a succulent garden before, should be awesome. Have you ever been to the plane wreck on Timp and is it worth the effort? I tried to find it but the directions weren't adequate for me to find it. Needed a GPS or something...Google Maps are only so useful.
Great breakdown. I've been considering this and you've given me some things to consider. Also, I think you've solved some of the bare spot issues I've been having next to my new driveway.
Yes, I’ve had issues for 7 years getting anything but weeds to grow next to my driveway. I just seeded a few weeks ago, for now it’s looking good, but if it goes south I’ll be getting a probe on it for sure. I’m betting there is concrete there.
Did you consider sealing your curbing with concrete sealant? I just had some installed in Idaho that looks just like yours and the installer said it's a good idea.
It’s a good idea. I didn’t do it. I don’t like the idea of having to keep doing it, which is why I don’t. Realistically the seal looks great for 3 years in my region
Well, you could save most of the money by doing it by yourself. Cleaning debris, filling soil, bring waste to dumpster, all this is easy work which just requires time to do. If you hire people you have more spare time but less money. For me (from Germany) we have dumpster where you can bring soil, garden waste and dirt etc for free. You only need a trailer. Also you find lots of free offers for dirt online where you can pick up by yourself without additional costs. So for me it would be only sprinkler repositioning.
Those were good looking sod pieces! I at least have a large property that I can save on disposal fees and just recycle on my own property. You got your monies worth but I'm still wondering why you wanted the edging. I would rather maintain lawn the flower beds.
The edging serves a few purposes. My neighbors and I compete for watering and it floods along the edges. I was ruining my fence with the sting trimmer as well. It was difficult to mow along the edge and turn my mower around. so far I'm super pleased.
Great vid. Just removed an old crabapple tree and it had a river rock border around it, about a 15’ diameter. The hardest part was removing all the mulch and tree roots and dirt. I think it was around 20 yard waste bags. But that part of my lawn is level baby! Reel mowing that front lawn, can’t wait!
Nicely done! I had a nightmare like that at my last house. 80 linear feet by 3ft wide of 1" gravel that was 3" deep. aparently the previous owners had horses and built them a walking pad along the fenceline. the grass was growing lime green throughout that section and I immediately knew something was wrong in the soil. I ignored it for the better part of a year, then couldn't help myself to fix it.
Excellent video! I’m just curious tho... did you mind that the curbs weren’t in line with the fence? I noticed that some of the curbs curved in some places..
You could have at least kept the dirt that was pulled out from the edging. and stored it somewhere behind the house. Then used it, when you plan on leveling the area by the water meter. I did some lawn work myself. one thing i did was went to hardware store and picked up some big trash cans. like ones that put out in street for garbage day. I was able to fill up 3 and half of them. with amount you had it would have been alot more cans. but, still, I had a few cans with dirt. That i use on projects.
great feedback! There legitimately was a lot of good sod that could have been somewhere. personally didn't have the time to deal with it but you bring up a valid point. Love the cans idea, the problem i face is our local green trash will not disgard of them and I didn't have a trailer at the time to be able to take them to the local greens waste facility. thanks for watching and commenting!
Wait so what’s the purpose of curbing your lawn? To separate your grass from your neighbors grass for lawn care reasons? Cosmetic? Were you originally planning on planting a garden on the edges or was that just a byproduct of them not being able to get the machine up against the fence?
Few reasons. primary reason was to get the grass off the fence. weed wacking the fenceline is not idea in my opinion and you can't string trim around the posts well because it the fence posts aren't flush with the fence walls. The other issues is I'm limited on space to put trees and plants. trees and plants require a different watering cycle than the grass as well. seperating them makes it soo much better. The other issue is my neighbors watering schedule never matches mine and flooding occurs on the fence line all too often.
Could you have left the heads behind the curb? I guess it would depend what you plant back there that could obstruct the spray pattern. Also, is your kid wearing one shoe and one sock? That’s next-level landscaping.
Same question - my initial thought would be to keep the heads between the curb and fence, add flowers and mulch there, and get heads that spray over the curb into the lawn......
Great question and I should have mentioned it in the video. If i leave the heads, eventually i'll get weeds that will get in the way and ruin my coverage. I will be planting edibles and decorative plants in there regardless so they have to be moved.
I figured it was as much for future plants as anything. Figured I’d ask. I imagine if a head was close enough to the curb on an inside corner you could leave it. Still wanna know what the one sock deal is. Maybe it’s a super power of some sort? 😬
Soooooo much math 😳 I need to go back to school and learn it again. I’m not looking forward to getting our sprinklers moved but we want a pergola and a shed! Haha
Hi Terry! If you're referring to the joint expansion point he puts in the concrete the answer is yes. they're their to provide relieve from frost heave which is a common occurance over the winter. Prevents the rest of the slab from getting traditional cracks.
depends on the companies. the issue in my area is everyone here is cheap. to appease the masses and in order to be competitive they end up cutting these corners to lower bid prices to not stress the home owner out.
You can do that for sure! I chose this style to make my mowing more enjoyable. I'll also end of putting flowers and ornamentals throughout that area between the border edge and the fence.
@@pestandlawnginja yea i have never messed with cool season lawns. Just my thicc girl Augustine. I have some Bermuda too but I am going to be sentencing that to the death penalty next spring.
@@JonP_4-31inf all grasses are related to crabgrass. As much as i would love to have a Kentucky blue grass yard i cant I live about 500 miles away from being able to. I personally think Bermuda is a weed but I dont go around bashing other lawn choices because I understand different folk have different stokes. Additionally crabgrass has alot of uses. The seeds are edible and used to make flower. So i wouldn't be shocked if someone out there uses it to make bread. Something we can't say about our target grasses.
@@chasingthefish9042 Bermuda is the easiest grass to maintain, at least in my experience. Easily handles drought and seems to grow on anything if left untouched.
I've learned a lot from you, I've scalped my yard in mid summer. It went from greenish brown to blonde. The neighbors thought i was loosing it. I puut down some Scott Max
Sorry about that, dumb thumb. After that Scott Max the yard came back crazy green from the root to the tips. They keep asking what I did. I have celebration bamuda grass. The landscaper said, it nothing but a weed so it's pretty hardy. Again thanks for all your help. That Sunjo is a life saver. 😆
i kept the sod pieces. but yes I did pay someone to haul off the dirt. it was hard compact clay and i wanted something more friendly to plant succulents and cana lilly's. both require better drainage.
I'm surprised they didn't clean the excess concrete from the form. Seems like a laziness issue and not wanting to haul away their debris. I'd be really upset with that seeing how it was an issue created by the concrete company.
@@pestandlawnginja it reminds me of home builders just not being thorough and allowing construction debris to be left behind in new builds. Sad that quality doesnt extend throughout the entire process. They could have easily had a guy come behind and scrap the excess into a bucket and at the very least into to pile away from the turf IMO. I really enjoy your videos by the way, very informative to the DIY. Just hated that they did that much residual damage.
I think you left out 1 item and cost in all of this. What did you do on the other side of the curb? The side that doesn't have grass? That would have to be filled in with something, not just left and bare dirt. Rocks, or Bark or something...
I'm in Arizona, perhaps things work differently from where you're at. Here, that is an unfinished clean-up by the concrete company! I don't give a damn about whichever crap excuse they would've thrown at me trying to get out of it...those excuses would've slapped em' directly in the back of the head! LOL The SOD they pulled up should've been taken w/ them PERIOD! The Pickaxe'n and removal of the concrete run out is still part of the clean-up and finishing that the concrete jokers should've done. The extra attention to detail and finish work are the types of things that separate the best businesses from the fraudsters. With Fraudsters, the surface work is made sure to look great... That's to keep you from looking harder and eventually exposing all these little touches that are left out of the contract or additional costs not included or just not offered at all. But hey - it's your cash. If you're happy then to hell what I've got to chime in about! Please excuse my rant. LOL so from the sounds of it, you were pleased w/ your purchase. 👌 all is right in Ginja's Lawn again. 😉
It's a fantastic argument. The biggest problem in my area is an issue with competing against fly by night businesses. This problem has driven companies to be low cost options. Not only due to competition but also by locals demand of low cost. Causation is evident by the issues I faced with the cleanup. You pay for it no matter what with a bit of a hassel. I hear you loud and clear and you're not wrong
Deke1 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hey! Kids are just free loading roommates with an 18 year lease it’s nice to see them doing some contributions once in a while 😆 jk sort of
That’s unfortunate your curber did not explain the full process to you and set the precedent of what is done buy him and what is not done. To be fair some of the additional cost you incurred was because you chosen to have block style curbing done, that is typically done pre landscape not post landscape. We’re post landscapes our would have saved your self some money and work and gained functionality of your curbing as well.
I had no issues with the installer. these were things i didn't think about. our area is a tough one because everyone and there dog is a business owner. Our local area demands competitive pricing and will jump ship over a dime. He wasn't the cheapest and did a phenomenal job. these were things that I found the industry in general doesn't do and people should think about before installing curbing.
Pest and Lawn Ginja I was not implying you had issues, sorry if that’s how it came across. I am a curber in your market and there are a lot of thing I do that no one else does, education is one of them. I know the market very well and the industry as a whole I train others across the country, new companies and old as well to help improve there processes and overall product/work. Our market has been very flawed since the late 80’s.
seriously.. $50/hr to shovel? you know your man there os getting $8-10.. that's price gouging. SORRY... but GCs in my area get charged $35/hr for master Electricians. Yes, I wish we made more but Geeze Ginja, I am surprised at you for paying so much. What can I say? None of my bssnss.... except that you posted it. Looks very nice BTW. And if Mrs. Ginja is happy, who cares?👍👍
it all depends on the area for sure. we used to be the cheap state but as these new generation of kids get older they are opposed to manual labor and in return the prices spike on service industries.
I wasn't able to relay it on camera. if you go to the first video i did you'll notice it was a different crew that put down the initial sod load by the tree.
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i wish more youtubers did price videos like this. the more you know the better. thanks Ginja
Glad to help! I listen as best as I can to what you guys are wanting. Really appreciate the feedback!
I will also have to say that was a great video. Thank you for showing everybody else that don't understand what it takes to do concrete borders.
Glad it was helpful!
I hope more people watch this video, then they can stop asking why us landscapers charge the way we do. Great video ginja
Great feedback Kevin! I appreciate it. I was hoping the same!
I get the cost, landscaping is hard work. I'm dealing with a remodel and those rates aren't too negotiable. Have to do the math and plus up, before you get started. Hats off to al the laborers.
Plus the cost of mulch to place in the new, mostly dirt flower bed.
Yup 💯
50$ hr is bs. Thats 30$ profit for the owner PP. Screw that.
I appreciate that you recognize the benefits of hiring out and getting things done properly and the value associated with that. DIY is not for everyone especially if you're shooting for a picture perfect outcome.
You're welcome! Its good for people to see what reality is like and curbing is no joke.
I love that in-ground sprinklers are so common in the US that almost every lawn channel I watch you guys talk about them like they are in everyone's yard. Here in Ontario Canada, I think I've almost never seen a property with them.
For sure. It is super common here. there are a few states that don't natively have them.
The US covers many climate zones. In the Northeast, they're not super common. Most likely for the same reasons as Ontario... the one time you forget to winterize it, you'll be replacing the whole system! Much easier in states with warm winters.
Great breakdown. I am working on leveling my yard because of your videos and I am understanding the "extra costs" because of all things I keep buying. Thank you for talking me out of concrete curbs. I truly appreciate it. 🙂
Glad it was helpful! Slay that lawn!
This is by far the best break down I have come across. Great job
Glad it was helpful!
It’s great that not only did you tell the cost, but you broke down what goes into the cost…
Thanks for the feedback B Man!
This is really helpful. I always get caught on the extra after costs. I'd love to seem more videos like this.
Awesome! Thanks for the excellent feedback Ryan!
Great installation!
Super popular here!
Many of them embossed and colour embedded.
Thanks! I opted out of the color and embossing. Really enjoy the flat for mowing and the regular maintenance
You get what you pay for. Looks like it's high quality and done right! It will pay off in time. Just think every time you step outside and admire it, consider it paid for. Your home value will go up, consider it paid for. Your neighbors will appreciate it, consider it paid for. Your channel will get views from it, consider it paid for!!!
Thanks TJ. couldn't agree more. it was more than worth it. makes maintenance sooo much easier
@@pestandlawnginja yet another reason to consider it paid for!
Gonna look awesome once you got some plants in those beds!! Nice work!!
Thanks Derek! Now hopefully I can get a good enough deal on end of the season plants
Great Info. It's like buying a house. You don't just go to closing and start living in the house. There is curtains, blinds, rugs, shower curtains, furniture, lawn mowers, and etc. A lot of folks overlook and do not plan for that expense. Again, great video.
Totally agree! It is a convenience cost but oddly enough it saves me soo much time and headache mowing along the fenceline.
Looks great. Later you will be so glad you took care of those clean-up details at the beginning.
Totally! So far its been sooo worth it.
Hey guy, when I owned and ran my curbing businesses, 1) always removed all excess concrete from edges of curb as part of the job (geez that's awful to have to do yourself) 2) while I usually didn't take out all the extra sod between where curb goes and fence in your instance, I always garbage bagged up all the sod from cutting the curb path. Made for a big load at the curb but customers didn't really like having to diy or call in another guy.
$ talks and if your curber was smart he'd have run the option by you. 'course if you thought 4.75/ft was expensive then you probably would not have paid the few more $ per foot for sod removal...
Curious, why not just install taller sprinkler heads that shoot over the curb, or raise them with some creative pvc work, instead of the expensive re-piping process?
Hey Glenn! My area is full of penny pinchers and business is so competitive by passer byer companies its tough. few quotes came in at $2.50 per linear foot but I've learned my lesson with the low ballers. concrete wouldn't have been as dense as I'd like and the finish wouldn't have been as nice either. My local area is so full of low ballers that the people just get used to the bare minimum and figure they'll just do the rest on there own.
As for the sprinklers. I'm planning on planting other edible trees and plants throughout and the foliage will eventually get in the way so it didn't make sense to leave them be.
Nice breakdown of the unforeseen
Thanks Vito!
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That looks pretty sick. I want to do a live edge but you are making me second guess myself now! Great video
Thanks brother! I'm too lazy to up keep a live edge hahaha. they do look incredible though!
Don’t feel bad man.. every project I do has hidden costs. Question... were you expecting the border to be right up against the fence? And if not, what are you going to put between the gap?
Great question. I didn't want the border along the fence due to the catch bin of my cylinder reel. On the east side I planted more edible plants and some decorative. I haven't quiet figured out what I'll do with the front yard yet.
@@pestandlawnginja mulch
Thank you for the details on added costs. Very informative but looks fantastic!! I plan to do the same bur on a much larger scale!
Glad it was helpful!
This use to popular in the 1960s to 1970s here in NY, but with winter freeze and thaw most of these buckled and cracked over time. My neighbor has one his grandfather installed back in the 1960s, but half of it is sunken below or lifted up above the grass line.
1:20 That curb is going to be pretty tight when those two trees mature
I've changed my layout of the planting beds so many times in the last 20 years, curbing the beds would never have worked for me. But curbing to street to lawn I will always recommend, seen so many rotted out wood timber street curbs in my neighborhood.
Great feedback! Thanks so much for watching and giving us your experience.
Turned out nice. Thanks for the insight helpful to those of us who are considering having installed.
You're welcome! It's been a fun project!
Awesome Video.. the 2 videos answered a lot of questions for me. The concrete border is something I want to have done next year and this helps a lot
Awesome! Glad you found value. thanks for watching and commenting.
Wow and here I thought three weeks of pinched back nerves were worth hand setting/leveling blocks myself.
Looks good Ginga!
😂 thanks!
Thanks for the info this is my project this month
Glad I could help
What's the use of hiring the best when you still have to pick up after them. I am in the process of getting border edging. Thank you for letting me know this extra cost. I will be asking more questions when I get quotes. Thank you for the great video.
Thanks for watching!
Why didn’t you cut strips from the sod you removed to fill the gap between the curb and existing lawn? Done in a couple hours with almost no cost!
I'm too lazy! Other projects to show as well that tied in
edge looks great...i was thinking of doing this in some form in my back yard also but mine is to keep my rocks #2 from pushing against my wooden fence and bowing the bottom....if they told me it would be 2000 right from the start including all the debris removal, i would say DO IT now....i think if the concrete guys gave you a price like that in the beginning , it would have saved you time and money would have been upfront with no hidden costs...except maybe the sprinkler moving costs...great yard Ginja
Thank you! It was a fun project and very rewarding in the end. I will never regret the decision. soo functional. I knew the hidden fees upfront. not because I asked but just due to me understanding how things work in my area. Glad to know its helping people.
Now this is good to know, great information. Thank you Ginja
Happy to help! Glad you're finding value!
Great video and outline of additional costs! Super helpful. When you filled in the gab between lawn and new curbing, did you go back and over seed the new dirt as well?
this is when I had kentucky bluegrass so i just let nature take its course. if i didn't have something that spreads like kbg or bermuda etc I would seed.
I watched this just to see what the extra costs were and thankfully I'm not that rich so I don't have sod or sprinkler system or any of the extra costs u have. I just want the edging around my garden :-)
Right on! Thanks for watching
Thanks for the information
Friggin cool job and awesome breakdown
Thanks Gary!!!!
That was very informative and helpful thanks brother
You're welcome Vinny! Thanks for watching and commenting
No problem brother
You have to also include the additional landscaping costs on the other side of the curb.
Dang son! That extra cost sure must have been a shock. Great that you were so thorough and clear about the real price of the job. I hope Mrs Ginja didn't get too worked up over the end price.
She is super pleased with the results. I'll end up putting in a succulent garden to please here LOL plus she never watches my channel so that helps hahaha.
That's crazy, that's why I do everything myself lol
Great way to do it!
I'm just sitting here and now I'm tired. I have two over seeding projects to get started on, but first! A nap!!
LOL I totally feel you on that one!
As a vinyl fence installer I would advise against using fence bottom rails as bulkhead for dirt,rocks or even mulch. I have seen many homeowners bow their rails out very badly. That black aluminum edging that some pros use would be one solution .
totally agree. great advice.
Thought for sure last week you'd be excited to use that gorgeous sod to repair a few areas in the front and back yard. But sure you were not looking for more work after seeing the additional work involved in the boarder project. Isn't that how every project is...I always triple my initial time estimates.
Called J&J Nursery/Great Basin Turf yesterday looking for Turf Blue Pro seed. They didn't seem to have it or maybe they have essentially the same thing under their own custom Barenbrug mixes but they didn't know the content of their mixes. Have you found a place locally that sells Turf Blue Pro by the pound for small seeding projects? Loved the view off Timp btw. That is such a gorgeous hike especially in July when the wild flowers are blooming!
Thanks eugenie. Great basin in orem sells it. Make sure you say its barenbrug turf blue pro kentucky bluegrass
@@pestandlawnginja Thanks I'll give them a call. I really like the curbing and am interested to see how you develop the new beds. Not sure I've seen a succulent garden before, should be awesome.
Have you ever been to the plane wreck on Timp and is it worth the effort? I tried to find it but the directions weren't adequate for me to find it. Needed a GPS or something...Google Maps are only so useful.
I've heard about it and discussed it a few times but I've never seen the plane that's supposedly there
very interesting about costs
thanks!
Great breakdown. I've been considering this and you've given me some things to consider. Also, I think you've solved some of the bare spot issues I've been having next to my new driveway.
awesome! Glad to hear it!
Yes, I’ve had issues for 7 years getting anything but weeds to grow next to my driveway. I just seeded a few weeks ago, for now it’s looking good, but if it goes south I’ll be getting a probe on it for sure. I’m betting there is concrete there.
Looks good, I would of made them stay straight and square off the fence vs. steering around every little obstacle.
the only steering around was arount the tree. its a mountain west thing. on the east coast and west coast people prefer straight lines.
Did you consider sealing your curbing with concrete sealant? I just had some installed in Idaho that looks just like yours and the installer said it's a good idea.
It’s a good idea. I didn’t do it. I don’t like the idea of having to keep doing it, which is why I don’t. Realistically the seal looks great for 3 years in my region
Well, you could save most of the money by doing it by yourself. Cleaning debris, filling soil, bring waste to dumpster, all this is easy work which just requires time to do. If you hire people you have more spare time but less money. For me (from Germany) we have dumpster where you can bring soil, garden waste and dirt etc for free. You only need a trailer. Also you find lots of free offers for dirt online where you can pick up by yourself without additional costs. So for me it would be only sprinkler repositioning.
You make a good point. it's true you can do this yourself and save some money.
Those were good looking sod pieces! I at least have a large property that I can save on disposal fees and just recycle on my own property. You got your monies worth but I'm still wondering why you wanted the edging. I would rather maintain lawn the flower beds.
The edging serves a few purposes. My neighbors and I compete for watering and it floods along the edges. I was ruining my fence with the sting trimmer as well. It was difficult to mow along the edge and turn my mower around. so far I'm super pleased.
Attention to detail. That edging is going to make that low reel mowed lawn stand out.
I do that exact job in mower edge curb for 10 a foot
rad!
Another great video🤙
Thanks 👍 really appreciate the feedback!
Love the Curbing, HATE the Cost!
This is why I Do It Myself & use Mason Blocks...
Awesome. great way to do it!
Over by me we just give a price for the job and that's that, I personally don't like that hourly stuff👍👍
Makes sense!
That's a lot of extra costs... it looks great though. 👍🏻👊
Thanks! Looks the same as when you were here LOL JK
I use my Yeti machine to keep beers cold 😂
Love that!
I would of used some of the cut sod to fill in 4” spots i would have a hard time just tossing grass i grew lol
I hear yah! I had other projects going on and didn't have time to use it. hurt my feel goods hahaha
That’s why you educate yourself and learn how to do everything so you don’t have others do it for you!
Joey yoeJ clearly do it yourself projects are not for idiots.
I wasn't confident enough that I could do it to the standards I wanted.
Great vid. Just removed an old crabapple tree and it had a river rock border around it, about a 15’ diameter. The hardest part was removing all the mulch and tree roots and dirt. I think it was around 20 yard waste bags. But that part of my lawn is level baby! Reel mowing that front lawn, can’t wait!
Nicely done! I had a nightmare like that at my last house. 80 linear feet by 3ft wide of 1" gravel that was 3" deep. aparently the previous owners had horses and built them a walking pad along the fenceline. the grass was growing lime green throughout that section and I immediately knew something was wrong in the soil. I ignored it for the better part of a year, then couldn't help myself to fix it.
Excellent video! I’m just curious tho... did you mind that the curbs weren’t in line with the fence? I noticed that some of the curbs curved in some places..
I didn't mind at all. it was intentionally done that way. the curbing along my house is also wavy and it compliments it nicely.
Pest and Lawn Ginja thanks for replying! Looking forward to your next vids! 🤙🏽🤙🏽
Damn great video Ginja! So much great info
Thanks! Love your company name btw.
Hay Ginja did i miss it did you count the children's money ??? good job
I did! best $15 i spent
im not surprised by the grass being left behind. its a curtb install not lawnscaping work and curb installing. pretty curb though!!!
very true!
@@pestandlawnginja thank you for responding!!!! im a much smaller fish than you!!! I only hope to still answer comments at your size!!
this is raven8472chickens by the way lol.
@@ChesireRavenlol awesome man. you'll do great. gotta love the creator space.
@@pestandlawnginja aww ty. my chicken channel seems like my best break out effort. UA-cam is quiet the experience!!!!
What's the difference between top soil, dirt, compost, and loam? I assume you don't have a compost pile for the sod?
Not on this postage stamp property. Topsoil and dirt are commonly the same. Topsoil is screen dirt.
They have a similar installation system down here in the south east, but southerners call them “Borders”. 😝
LOL you'd be surprised how many people spell it wrong
Pest and Lawn Ginja yeah. Especially the Brits. Like have you seen? “tyre”, “Litre”, “Lustre” they need to go back to school. Just like southerners. 😂
Morning 😎✌️💪
Hey brotha!
You could have at least kept the dirt that was pulled out from the edging. and stored it somewhere behind the house. Then used it, when you plan on leveling the area by the water meter. I did some lawn work myself. one thing i did was went to hardware store and picked up some big trash cans. like ones that put out in street for garbage day. I was able to fill up 3 and half of them. with amount you had it would have been alot more cans. but, still, I had a few cans with dirt. That i use on projects.
great feedback! There legitimately was a lot of good sod that could have been somewhere. personally didn't have the time to deal with it but you bring up a valid point. Love the cans idea, the problem i face is our local green trash will not disgard of them and I didn't have a trailer at the time to be able to take them to the local greens waste facility. thanks for watching and commenting!
Wait so what’s the purpose of curbing your lawn? To separate your grass from your neighbors grass for lawn care reasons? Cosmetic? Were you originally planning on planting a garden on the edges or was that just a byproduct of them not being able to get the machine up against the fence?
Few reasons. primary reason was to get the grass off the fence. weed wacking the fenceline is not idea in my opinion and you can't string trim around the posts well because it the fence posts aren't flush with the fence walls.
The other issues is I'm limited on space to put trees and plants. trees and plants require a different watering cycle than the grass as well. seperating them makes it soo much better.
The other issue is my neighbors watering schedule never matches mine and flooding occurs on the fence line all too often.
@@pestandlawnginja ahh i see, thanks for explaining!
Could you have left the heads behind the curb? I guess it would depend what you plant back there that could obstruct the spray pattern.
Also, is your kid wearing one shoe and one sock? That’s next-level landscaping.
Same question - my initial thought would be to keep the heads between the curb and fence, add flowers and mulch there, and get heads that spray over the curb into the lawn......
Great question and I should have mentioned it in the video. If i leave the heads, eventually i'll get weeds that will get in the way and ruin my coverage. I will be planting edibles and decorative plants in there regardless so they have to be moved.
I figured it was as much for future plants as anything. Figured I’d ask. I imagine if a head was close enough to the curb on an inside corner you could leave it.
Still wanna know what the one sock deal is. Maybe it’s a super power of some sort? 😬
Bruhh, im in grantsville and need curbing would you recommend accent still or q cheaper company?
They run a solid crew and fantastic product. No cracks whatsoever ever
@@pestandlawnginja i got curbing going in on the 16th 🤪
A lot of work and costs but it does look amazing Ginja! TFS
Thanks Elaine! It was a fun project. all be it time consuming and hot outside it was well worth it.
Soooooo much math 😳 I need to go back to school and learn it again. I’m not looking forward to getting our sprinklers moved but we want a pergola and a shed! Haha
Its true! Gotta move those sprinklers and do a good job at it as well!
Does the concrete stay looking cracked on the top?
Hi Terry! If you're referring to the joint expansion point he puts in the concrete the answer is yes. they're their to provide relieve from frost heave which is a common occurance over the winter. Prevents the rest of the slab from getting traditional cracks.
HOLY CRAP!@! that added up
And fast right!?
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I look forward to the follow up video. "Why you should kill your grass dead dead before changing it to a garden or flower bed"
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Nice bro
Super Kind! Thank you!
Hmm and I thought the curb guys cleaned up, I didn't know all the grass and dirt was left there.
depends on the companies. the issue in my area is everyone here is cheap. to appease the masses and in order to be competitive they end up cutting these corners to lower bid prices to not stress the home owner out.
Bet you approached the cost with a Gingerly attitude ;) End result looks amazing though.
LOL Thanks Shaun!
@@pestandlawnginja 😁
Why is your Concrete-Snake so curvy?
out of preference. matches how they did the other side.
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Looks like the Ginja needs a truck.
Sooo True! wish mercedes would sponsor me hahaha
why don't they make the concrete go along the fence? It should be right up against the edge, shouldn't it?
You can do that for sure! I chose this style to make my mowing more enjoyable. I'll also end of putting flowers and ornamentals throughout that area between the border edge and the fence.
"It cant find a good root base"
Gahahahaha my saint Augustine eats pavement for breakfast and drought for lunch.
I bet! This kentucky bluegrass gets moody!
@@pestandlawnginja yea i have never messed with cool season lawns. Just my thicc girl Augustine. I have some Bermuda too but I am going to be sentencing that to the death penalty next spring.
St Augustine is nothing but Crabgrass. Not sure why anyone would grow Crabgrass on purpose but there is a lot of St Augustine out there...
@@JonP_4-31inf all grasses are related to crabgrass. As much as i would love to have a Kentucky blue grass yard i cant I live about 500 miles away from being able to. I personally think Bermuda is a weed but I dont go around bashing other lawn choices because I understand different folk have different stokes. Additionally crabgrass has alot of uses. The seeds are edible and used to make flower. So i wouldn't be shocked if someone out there uses it to make bread. Something we can't say about our target grasses.
@@chasingthefish9042 Bermuda is the easiest grass to maintain, at least in my experience. Easily handles drought and seems to grow on anything if left untouched.
And you haven't even added in the cost of new plants along the fence line if you go that route. Curbing is a money pit.
Sooo True!
Ginja, never hurt my back writing a check. Lamo.
Hahahaha
I've learned a lot from you, I've scalped my yard in mid summer. It went from greenish brown to blonde. The neighbors thought i was loosing it. I puut down some Scott Max
Sorry about that, dumb thumb. After that Scott Max the yard came back crazy green from the root to the tips. They keep asking what I did. I have celebration bamuda grass.
The landscaper said, it nothing but a weed so it's pretty hardy. Again thanks for all your help. That Sunjo is a life saver. 😆
$4 or $14lf....still looks like a $20lf payoff. Nice job to the many crews and the work you do on a daily basis.
Thanks! They all did a great job! very pleased. thanks for the feedback
Couldn’t you have just left the sprinklers in the flowerbeds?
I've tried that in the past and the issue is the plants that will eventually go in there get in the way.
Pest and Lawn Ginja I guessed that was probably the case. Enjoying the vlogs, keep ‘em coming 👍🏻
You paid someone to haul odd dirt/sod then paid someone to bring dirt and grow sod?
i kept the sod pieces. but yes I did pay someone to haul off the dirt. it was hard compact clay and i wanted something more friendly to plant succulents and cana lilly's. both require better drainage.
I'm surprised they didn't clean the excess concrete from the form. Seems like a laziness issue and not wanting to haul away their debris. I'd be really upset with that seeing how it was an issue created by the concrete company.
Pretty much industry standard to not be included in the cost. Especially in the lower priced markets.
I agree with Tim. Its an industry standard issue. hard to compete when everyone is doing the low ball costs especially in my local market.
@@pestandlawnginja it reminds me of home builders just not being thorough and allowing construction debris to be left behind in new builds. Sad that quality doesnt extend throughout the entire process. They could have easily had a guy come behind and scrap the excess into a bucket and at the very least into to pile away from the turf IMO. I really enjoy your videos by the way, very informative to the DIY. Just hated that they did that much residual damage.
Could have rented a dump trailer and saved on double handling debris? Good video! Glad I have a track loader!
So true!
I think you left out 1 item and cost in all of this. What did you do on the other side of the curb? The side that doesn't have grass? That would have to be filled in with something, not just left and bare dirt. Rocks, or Bark or something...
Soo true. I debated talking about it. for now I put down a pre emergent to control the weed germination.
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First Ginja!
You paid to have the debris moved. You should have loaded up the Prius 😄👊
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I'm in Arizona, perhaps things work differently from where you're at. Here, that is an unfinished clean-up by the concrete company! I don't give a damn about whichever crap excuse they would've thrown at me trying to get out of it...those excuses would've slapped em' directly in the back of the head! LOL
The SOD they pulled up should've been taken w/ them PERIOD! The Pickaxe'n and removal of the concrete run out is still part of the clean-up and finishing that the concrete jokers should've done. The extra attention to detail and finish work are the types of things that separate the best businesses from the fraudsters. With Fraudsters, the surface work is made sure to look great... That's to keep you from looking harder and eventually exposing all these little touches that are left out of the contract or additional costs not included or just not offered at all.
But hey - it's your cash. If you're happy then to hell what I've got to chime in about! Please excuse my rant. LOL so from the sounds of it, you were pleased w/ your purchase. 👌 all is right in Ginja's Lawn again. 😉
It's a fantastic argument. The biggest problem in my area is an issue with competing against fly by night businesses. This problem has driven companies to be low cost options. Not only due to competition but also by locals demand of low cost.
Causation is evident by the issues I faced with the cleanup. You pay for it no matter what with a bit of a hassel.
I hear you loud and clear and you're not wrong
Child labor laws, I suggest the kids unionize and strike immediately for better working conditions, benefits and wages.....lol....
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Hey! Kids are just free loading roommates with an 18 year lease it’s nice to see them doing some contributions once in a while 😆 jk sort of
By the way...nice hat
Thanks! You too!
I was told there would be no math, damn it!
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How much “curb appeal” did you add to your house?
My feel goods feel good
If you plant flowers on the north side next to the fence how will they get water?
@@elkskiutah8204 my sprinklers overlap those areas just enough.
That’s unfortunate your curber did not explain the full process to you and set the precedent of what is done buy him and what is not done. To be fair some of the additional cost you incurred was because you chosen to have block style curbing done, that is typically done pre landscape not post landscape. We’re post landscapes our would have saved your self some money and work and gained functionality of your curbing as well.
I had no issues with the installer. these were things i didn't think about. our area is a tough one because everyone and there dog is a business owner. Our local area demands competitive pricing and will jump ship over a dime. He wasn't the cheapest and did a phenomenal job. these were things that I found the industry in general doesn't do and people should think about before installing curbing.
Pest and Lawn Ginja I was not implying you had issues, sorry if that’s how it came across. I am a curber in your market and there are a lot of thing I do that no one else does, education is one of them. I know the market very well and the industry as a whole I train others across the country, new companies and old as well to help improve there processes and overall product/work. Our market has been very flawed since the late 80’s.
That is a yeti sticker on a curbing machine LOL. YETI Coolers has nothing todo with curbing that’s a cooler sticker they put on the machine lmfao.
Lol soo true
seriously..
$50/hr to shovel? you know your man there os getting $8-10.. that's price gouging. SORRY... but GCs in my area get charged $35/hr for master Electricians.
Yes, I wish we made more but Geeze Ginja, I am surprised at you for paying so much. What can I say? None of my bssnss.... except that you posted it. Looks very nice BTW. And if Mrs. Ginja is happy, who cares?👍👍
it all depends on the area for sure. we used to be the cheap state but as these new generation of kids get older they are opposed to manual labor and in return the prices spike on service industries.
My question is, why are they touching the debris twice?! Should have loaded it in a trailer as it was being exported from the yard! Newbies!
I wasn't able to relay it on camera. if you go to the first video i did you'll notice it was a different crew that put down the initial sod load by the tree.
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$150 to fill the gap...Sounds like a bargain
my area can be a little low by US standard in some arenas.
That’s what she said.
@@pestandlawnginja by cost or quality?