I use pieces of 1inch pvc as the spacers between the forms and just leave them in there and pour on top to make drainage holes. Looks good. Needs rebar though
Using a reciprocating saw as a vibrator is a great idea. I would have placed a couple of #3 rebars in there for good measure in case roots push on it as the plants mature. Also, tooling control joints in wet concrete is tedious. I'd finish it smooth and cut them into the green concrete with a diamond (or abrasive) blade in a circular saw. Thanks for the content. It looks great.
I love your channel, Andrew. Keep it up! I feel obliged to let folks know that curbing-in landscaping CAN be equivalent to purposefully damming water up against a foundation. Drainage is key! With this in mind, the gutter above the bed in the video is showing clear signs of overflowing into the bed. This is a worst case scenario! All of this to say that DIY landscape curbing is fine, but drainage must be assessed as part of the project.
Nice job. And I've never seen anyone use an empty reciprocating saw to vibrate forms to eliminate air pockets. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get to learn a new pro-tip. Thanks for that! 👍
Great job Andrew. You always put out a great show with all necessary, helpful information included. That concrete machine is fabulous and the ATI Team is too.
From experience you have created a pond. One day you will get so much rain that it will fill up and travel under your home. The fix is to enclose it away from the hose and add 2 inch pvc for drainage
Nice job & looks great. You probably could have done something fancy with the drain/downspout. Taking it down into ground and angling out into a French drain for your lawn or for the new flower bed.
Good job! Having done this a number times myself i know how much time and effort is required. I always put in a # 3 bar centered but i think I'd more inclined to mix in a reinforcing fiber next time.
@@davidstreling3690 I should have been a bit clearer. Instead of a #3 bar, I'd be inclined to add some fiber and and joint it where I think it may crack. Ultimately the base would determine what if any reinforcement is needed.
Take the grass that you cut out, lay it upside down in the planter, when it dries out knock the excess dirt out and throw away the grass, it will be so much lighter in weight.
Interior floors will have a substantial temperature difference than exterior. The expansion board lets both monoliths move independently. Where everything is in the same environment it will all move together.
I would have suggested brushing or brooming to give it a texture. Also, would have pulled the board on the front off, rubbed and brushed it too. But overall better than what you had before.
New to the channel but love all the tasks. The part for us beginners is the supplies and the right mixing of the concrete. Other than that it is nice to see the finished product on here.
One of the biggest "tricks" in building with concrete is to let it dry as slowly as possible (by for instance covering it with plastic sheets). Look it up...
Nice job, I got a feeling my Wife will want concrete garden beds if I show her this..:). My only suggestion is I would have used a single strand of rebar through the middle (probably overkill) and I would have built the forms by ripping a single sheet of OSB or plywood.. Cus I'm cheap...:)
pouring concrete with water when it dries help to prevent cracking, especially when there's direct sun. For lazy solution - cover concrete with soaking wet blanket :)
Wow Thank You for the ideas!!! We are trying to come up with landscape edgding plans for our house and I never thought of doing concrete and forms. We just watched your video and we have so many ideas now. 💡 😃
Я б положил б ещё пару арматур или армировочную (кладочную) сетку в бетон. И на мой взгляд щебня много наложил. А так "it's good" и выглядит "perfect"👍💪
What size of gravel did you use in the base? Also, not criticizing but going with a rounded contour would have softened the sharp edge of the house. Personally, I'm not big on one "box" to finish off another "box" look.
I really like the look of this. I'm wondering how it would work in central WI zone 4b and do you think we'd have to do anything different? Thanks for sharing this!
While that mud mixer is a great tool the mark up on it is absolutely insane for what it really is if you would take it apart. i assume the cost of manufacturing that thing can't be more than 600-800$. Besides that i absolutely love the ideea you just gave me and the knowledge i gained from your video. now time to start my project too :)
what do you think about pouring concrete against the foundation, almost like having a sidewalk running around your house, rather than landscaping, thank you
Funny you ask. I live in Italy and here sidewalk around the house is the rule. I’ve recently built a new house extension and I asked the architect if I could have no sidewalk or very narrow so I could plant shrubs close to the house as you guys have in the US. He said no. A sidewalk of at least a meter (3 ft) around the house is necessary to prevent excessive rainwater from leaking into the foundation and causing damp damage to the wall. Consider that here all houses are brick and mortar and need impermeable barrier to protect walls from humidity rising up from the ground. Hope the info is useful. Cheers. 👋
For the amount of labor that takes and the time expenditure Belgium block would have been mich faster and a MUCH more beautiful finish. Just an FYI from a 35 year pro.
Would love to get a rough estimate on how much $/ft this method cost. I'm considering using ground contact lumber for edging but know its a temporary solution to a permanent need. Thx!
What area of the country are you in i.e. does it freeze and snow there because if it does those things are going to crack and break in a year or two of winters. Next project...clean up those moldy gutters!
Great video and a new subscriber here. Quick question, what remedial work did you perform to fix the crack after it appeared in the control weak point you created (1 months ago after the pour)?
ok, it would have been much easier to mow if your design had a radius corner and you radius it out to your existing slab. thats always gonna be tough mowing that inside corner, also you could of designed your form so outside edge sloped down to where you could have drove your mower wheel right on it so no edging would be required.also you should have put expansion joints in every so often for cracking.
I appreciate the comment and for holding back haha but I am always trying to get better so constructive feedback is very much appreciated (especially if you are qualified haha)
Awesome video! Question about the control joints. I see that when you went back to make the surface smooth, these control joints had been removed. At one point, after pouring the concrete into the forms, did you remove the control joints?
It cracks because you have no steel bars inside that conccrete at all.. Those have the role to keep it from cracking...and hold it together. Nex time use some reinforced bars in that "mud" you are about to pour.
Now I can edge like a pro. Thanks.
I egded to this video
2x6 forms seem a bit of expensive overkill....contractors mostly use 1x or even 3/4 ply...good DIY video
i do agree.
I use pieces of 1inch pvc as the spacers between the forms and just leave them in there and pour on top to make drainage holes. Looks good. Needs rebar though
Using a reciprocating saw as a vibrator is a great idea. I would have placed a couple of #3 rebars in there for good measure in case roots push on it as the plants mature. Also, tooling control joints in wet concrete is tedious. I'd finish it smooth and cut them into the green concrete with a diamond (or abrasive) blade in a circular saw. Thanks for the content. It looks great.
nothing quite like edging with the help of a vibrator!
its 10 time easier do do it wet, then to cut into dry concrete with a diamond blade.
I love your channel, Andrew. Keep it up! I feel obliged to let folks know that curbing-in landscaping CAN be equivalent to purposefully damming water up against a foundation. Drainage is key! With this in mind, the gutter above the bed in the video is showing clear signs of overflowing into the bed. This is a worst case scenario! All of this to say that DIY landscape curbing is fine, but drainage must be assessed as part of the project.
saw trick was brilliant. I don't do concrete but that looked like a fancy tool until you explained what it was love watching videos like this
Appreciate it - glad it helped you out!
Nice job. And I've never seen anyone use an empty reciprocating saw to vibrate forms to eliminate air pockets. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get to learn a new pro-tip. Thanks for that! 👍
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Hammer
I don't usually edge to that kind of stuff, but i get why some people might
Not overkill at all, trust me. Nice work!
Bro you’re killing it with the house. Love your concrete builds 👌
Appreciate it! It’s almost done ✅
Great job Andrew. You always put out a great show with all necessary, helpful information included. That concrete machine is fabulous and the ATI Team is too.
Appreciate it, Patrick! Thanks for watching! And Ryan came through big time on this one 💯
i edge to you patrick
My 72 year old back hurts just watching you dig HAHA Great job! But I would have put in curves HAHA
From experience you have created a pond. One day you will get so much rain that it will fill up and travel under your home. The fix is to enclose it away from the hose and add 2 inch pvc for drainage
As someone who cuts his own grass, hooray for not putting in a stupid curving curb or just dropping landscaping stones.
Never even heard of the MudMixer Now I want one
Haha it’s pretty nifty
Nice job & looks great. You probably could have done something fancy with the drain/downspout. Taking it down into ground and angling out into a French drain for your lawn or for the new flower bed.
I appreciate it. And you are totally right. I just kept it simple 👍
thanks for showing me the way to edge correctly
Good job! Having done this a number times myself i know how much time and effort is required. I always put in a # 3 bar centered but i think I'd more inclined to mix in a reinforcing fiber next time.
I think a stick of rebar would have been a good idea in hindsight. Hopefully it holds up for a while regardless!
LOL 6 inch's deep and for a flower garden and you think it needed rebar and fiber cement
@@davidstreling3690 I should have been a bit clearer. Instead of a #3 bar, I'd be inclined to add some fiber and and joint it where I think it may crack. Ultimately the base would determine what if any reinforcement is needed.
Take the grass that you cut out, lay it upside down in the planter, when it dries out knock the excess dirt out and throw away the grass, it will be so much lighter in weight.
Now i can edge in class
This is what I need… love concrete
The expansion board isn’t necessary where exterior concrete contacts exterior concrete. It’s recommended when exterior meets interior (driveway against garage floor).
Fair point - I just went for the “better safe than sorry” approach. Thanks for watching!
@@AndrewThronImprovements starstruck I am! Thanks for the response dude.
So you’re saying exterior concrete doesn’t need expansion joint because it doesn’t expand ? 😅
Interior floors will have a substantial temperature difference than exterior. The expansion board lets both monoliths move independently. Where everything is in the same environment it will all move together.
I would have suggested brushing or brooming to give it a texture. Also, would have pulled the board on the front off, rubbed and brushed it too. But overall better than what you had before.
Texture definitely would have helped to hide some of the imperfections - that’s for sure. Thanks for watching
New to the channel but love all the tasks. The part for us beginners is the supplies and the right mixing of the concrete. Other than that it is nice to see the finished product on here.
Welcome! I appreciate it
Commenting for the algorithm - 10/10 video
Appreciate it!
dig the tip on using the sawzall as a ghetto vibrator. I will use that tip
Hammer drill works too!
One of the biggest "tricks" in building with concrete is to let it dry as slowly as possible (by for instance covering it with plastic sheets).
Look it up...
you forgot motor oil on the 4x 4 framing to reduce the bumpy side finish on the cement when you pull the wood framing off.
4x4’s 🧐🧐🧐🧐
Nice job, I got a feeling my Wife will want concrete garden beds if I show her this..:). My only suggestion is I would have used a single strand of rebar through the middle (probably overkill) and I would have built the forms by ripping a single sheet of OSB or plywood.. Cus I'm cheap...:)
Haha the OSB is actually a pretty good idea! So is the rebar - definitely wouldn’t hurt
pouring concrete with water when it dries help to prevent cracking, especially when there's direct sun. For lazy solution - cover concrete with soaking wet blanket :)
Good tip - thanks for watching!
This! Plus it needs hydration for it to cure.
That is good job but you miss RCB( Reinforced concrete Bar). Always while you pour concrete use RCB
Very nice and professional job. Such a pleasure to watch how everything is done correctly.
I appreciate it, John! Thanks for watching
Looks good. I would have used washed stone instead of crusher run though especially since you wanted it for drainage.
Wow Thank You for the ideas!!! We are trying to come up with landscape edgding plans for our house and I never thought of doing concrete and forms. We just watched your video and we have so many ideas now. 💡 😃
I appreciate it and Good Luck!
finally some good edging
This is my agenda this season. Planning the dimensions and process so this was helpful
Good luck with your project!
Highly recommend a plate compactor for any significant job. The tamper gets old fast! Nice work!
why didn't you put geotex fabric on ground first before the rock. Love your detail!
I forgot and only remembered after I put the first bit of stone down haha I appreciate it!
That is really awesome! You make it look so easy.
I appreciate it - Thanks for watching!
Great idea using oscillating tool
It definitely helps!
do you need rebar Im making a small flower bed for mailbox thanks
love the video first time doing this
Amazing. Why not put the landscape material on top of the compacted soil to mitigate migration of gravel into soil?
Any reason you did not put any re-enforcement into the forms?
Just what I needed to see! Great job
Appreciate it! Good luck with your project.
Personally I would just use nice pavers for this kind of thing. But it looks like a bang-on job
Awesome man, looks really clean. Going to try something similar in my front yard. Keep the great content coming!
Appreciate it! Good luck with your project!
Looks good! Some steel would have been good to avoid those cracks
Any recommendations on a finishing trowel for a slab? Steel/mag, etc.
Man, you're getting better in your presentation..
Appreciate it! Feedback is always welcome 🙏
@@AndrewThronImprovements if I may, I think the pace is okay, but maybe put more 'fire' in the presentation, just a little bit..
Good job, love the finish. I won't be able to leap out there and do any of that but I could instruct some neighborhood boys..
I appreciate it. And I had some neighbors come by as I was doing the project haha
Rebar is good to put in too. And a drill 2 ft down keeps the curb from flipping
LOL flipping
For some reason this looks easy but I’m like! 😬 especially in South Florida where when you dig 3 inches you hit coral rock!
Hi. Interesting project. Do you have frost in winter? Or why don't you put reinforcement inside?
Great work and info. Thanks!!!
Another perfect job with no rebar and honeycomb
👏👏👏
Excellent instructions!
Thanks!
Some areas you're using 2x4s for the forms in others when cutting it appears as 2x6s, at 5:25 they seem 2x6s, how thick was the curb?
Did you own the mud mixer I want to know
Great job Bud!!!
Thanks!
Well done video! congrats on the nice concrete work!
Thank you!
Я б положил б ещё пару арматур или армировочную (кладочную) сетку в бетон. И на мой взгляд щебня много наложил.
А так "it's good" и выглядит "perfect"👍💪
Definitely looks better. No doubt
Beautiful job. Do you have to treat the mulch for termites?
Looking sharp Andrew!
Appreciate it, John!
Good job..nice little projects😊
What size of gravel did you use in the base? Also, not criticizing but going with a rounded contour would have softened the sharp edge of the house. Personally, I'm not big on one "box" to finish off another "box" look.
Great dam, it will hold water next to your house nicely, unless you put a french drain in.
I really like the look of this. I'm wondering how it would work in central WI zone 4b and do you think we'd have to do anything different? Thanks for sharing this!
You don’t add rebar inside the newly poured concrete to reinforce the edging?
Mortar is for laying bricks and blocks.
Hey great job , how about a driveway with a round about , just a half circle? Any idea how to get it round ? I don't know if wood would bend,
Use luan/ plywood
Holy shit, the second I saw sawzall, I knew what yiu were doing, never thought of this. Nice video.
A Hammer Drill (SDS) also works. Thanks for watching!
Good stuff man
While that mud mixer is a great tool the mark up on it is absolutely insane for what it really is if you would take it apart. i assume the cost of manufacturing that thing can't be more than 600-800$. Besides that i absolutely love the ideea you just gave me and the knowledge i gained from your video. now time to start my project too :)
It’s definitely expensive and not needed if you have a wheelbarrow and a shovel 👍 thanks for watching!
Maybe a reinforcing rebars in the concrete?
Wouldn’t hurt - but probably a bit overkill for this situation
When you say, "let it set up a little bit before finishing." How long do you mean?
Nice job Andrew.
🙏🙏
Now i can edge all the time thank you
Good work
Thanks!
Is the reason why you did not use rebar in the project is because it was not necessary?
Great content Andrew! You make it look so easy in each video. Just wondering when you’ll be doing a deck project video.
wd-40 on the wood makes it not stick as bad
💯 I usually apply WD 40 to my forms but I skipped it for this project
Diesel in a pump spray bottle or brushed on for smaller jobs.
Hi Andrew do you live in winter state? Just curious what frost might do to this? Would rebar help that? Thanks for the video!
what do you think about pouring concrete against the foundation, almost like having a sidewalk running around your house, rather than landscaping, thank you
Funny you ask. I live in Italy and here sidewalk around the house is the rule. I’ve recently built a new house extension and I asked the architect if I could have no sidewalk or very narrow so I could plant shrubs close to the house as you guys have in the US. He said no. A sidewalk of at least a meter (3 ft) around the house is necessary to prevent excessive rainwater from leaking into the foundation and causing damp damage to the wall. Consider that here all houses are brick and mortar and need impermeable barrier to protect walls from humidity rising up from the ground.
Hope the info is useful. Cheers. 👋
For the amount of labor that takes and the time expenditure Belgium block would have been mich faster and a MUCH more beautiful finish. Just an FYI from a 35 year pro.
Would love to get a rough estimate on how much $/ft this method cost. I'm considering using ground contact lumber for edging but know its a temporary solution to a permanent need. Thx!
What area of the country are you in i.e. does it freeze and snow there because if it does those things are going to crack and break in a year or two of winters.
Next project...clean up those moldy gutters!
THANKS FOR SHARING
Great video and a new subscriber here. Quick question, what remedial work did you perform to fix the crack after it appeared in the control weak point you created (1 months ago after the pour)?
”Semi-professional looking finish”
#semipro
Great job!
Thanks!
ok, it would have been much easier to mow if your design had a radius corner and you radius it out to your existing slab. thats always gonna be tough mowing that inside corner, also you could of designed your form so outside edge sloped down to where you could have drove your mower wheel right on it so no edging would be required.also you should have put expansion joints in every so often for cracking.
people around world: create concrete plate for stop water flowing under house.
mericans: I will create garden here and will put rainwater on it
Good Job.
Appreciate it!
4:13 I was NOT PREPARED for those arms!! Wow 🔥🔥
Pretty slick. As a concrete guy I could nitpick but it would be petty to do so. Well thought out and executed. 👍
I appreciate the comment and for holding back haha but I am always trying to get better so constructive feedback is very much appreciated (especially if you are qualified haha)
Not really holding back. I would have added maybe some number 3 rebar but I wouldn't say it's necessary. Like I said. Nitpick.
More involved than I had thought. Thanks.
I feel like every project is like that haha thanks for watching!
Awesome video! Question about the control joints. I see that when you went back to make the surface smooth, these control joints had been removed. At one point, after pouring the concrete into the forms, did you remove the control joints?
Control joints didn’t go anywhere.
It cracks because you have no steel bars inside that conccrete at all.. Those have the role to keep it from cracking...and hold it together. Nex time use some reinforced bars in that "mud" you are about to pour.
Why not build a mowing strip into the curb? It would make life a lot easier. Kiwi