Just wanted to say thank you for this video! It’s fantastic. I have the Naish 5.3 and a 110 board so everything you said made perfect sense! I’m struggling finding the right learning conditions. Either wind is to light and water is nice and smooth, or the wind is strong and water is a choppy mess. I’m learning on the ocean so the intimidation factor of being blown down wind or out is scary! Thanks for these and I really find them helpful!!! Next adventure is Kiteboarding!!! Can’t wait! Love the channel!
Howdy from TX via CA. Better late than never! Here I am trying wing foiling after 40 years surfing. My first session was exactly like you described in your video. I got wrecked! lol Too many unfamiliar moving parts to manage at one time. So I'm gonna use your strategy and familiarize myself with one thing at a time. Thanks for the video!
@@TheOKKiteboarder I went out today in very light wind, on flat water, with a SUP (with centerboard fin), and a 4.2m Slingwing. I was able to go cross wind but it was still a chore managing the wing and staying upright. Overall a much better go than the 1st time. Next session I will familiarize myself with the hydrofoil. Thanks for the tips!
So many people are into foiling of all types. I'm a plateaued kiter of 5yrs (skills are stuck at intermediate) with decades of former windsurfing experience. I haven't foiled in any way, shape, or form yet, but am really interested in wingfoiling as it looks like a great combination of the windsurfing and kitesurfing advantages. I realize some people think it's dumb looking, but the more time goes by the more positive things I keep hearing about it.
Great video for starters, thanks a million Ok Kiter! I find carrying a large board for a 5'6 145lb person with a small hatchback can be very challenging.
Hey Troy! Yes, that was us. That's great, you won't regret it, and you live in a great area for it. Reach out anytime if you have questions. May mix well with your flight schedule as well for travel. Maybe you can get the Cozumel route. lol.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and taking the time and effort to make those amazing videos. I have windsurf and kite background , and find this so cool to hear your cross experience. I'm a beginner with wing and foil - both together super challenging. Your videos are helping me a lot. What makes your videos so helpful and encouraging is you share failures and not being embarrassed , safety is first - so awesome I can learn from you , big thank you . Please Please keep doing what you love and love what you do . And last but not least - this is the best instructional video series for winging the foil Ive found online !!!!! Very professional done ! Again Thank you from Vancouver Island
Love this video. Very instructive and comprehensive, congratulations ! Looking forward to having my first Wingfoil lesson soon. Thank you from France !
Well the joys of being a rookie! I am enjoying the journey and I am experiencing exactly what you said. This is not easy to learn. I've made all the mistakes well, not all the mistakes. I am keeping my wing well away from any shish kebab opportunities. But, letting go with the front hand that's a good move! You find out right away why that's a bad idea! Walk of shame? Oh yeah, nothing but downwind and walk back. it's OK! I'm loving it. At least I've been out in the lake now three times at the time of year when otherwise I wouldn't have stuck my big toe in. i've watched your videos, I've gone out and had those experiences, then watched the videos again and they seem to open right up and have even more meaning. It's terrific!
Going through the learning process at the moment, F-One Swing 5m, Starboard Wave Classic 1500, going ok but still not locked it in, I can however say there are many ups and downs :) Very nice Video and easy to understand, I too am waiting for E2. Thanks
Great to see you doing wingfoil vids. Not sure why it took a month before it came up in my search results, especially given that I have been subscribed for ages. Keep it up.
Very very hard, yesterday first try. 20 years on and off kiting, and one summer on foil behind a jet ski. Mostly made it to my knees or feet a few times. Did not get up on foil. I recommend big big board. Mine is 110L very unstable.
Not doing the wing thing - right now I'm a dedicated kiter, but I like the tall kneeling on a physio ball, especially tall split kneeling - that is legit!
I don't really get it from a kiteboarder perspective, outside of convenience in set up and go. I think a better transition would be from windsurfer to wing surfer/foiler but that is just me. I know its gaining popularity and thats hard to beat. I would do winging on a skateboard or landboard.
I remember seeing a very similar wing in a book about ice skating 30-40 years ago. The main difference was that instead of an inflatable frame it had a rigid frame but the shape and size were almost the same. I never tried it or ever saw one live. I always thought that the main problem was finding a smooth sheet of ice big enough. It's rare to find a lake without very bumpy ice, pressure ridges, etc. and the short blade length of an ice skate would make a fall at high speeds likely with some possible unpleasant consequences.
I did the exact same thing you did, skipped all advices and went for a 85L board while weighing 75kg mainly because of budget and not wanting to buy my way up in a short time- not going to lie about that one. did my first session today as a total noob, in 6 knots wind because well... why not. Just wanted to get out on the water and get a feel of the board. Boy did that turn against me 😆😆 drifted off and stranded in the middle of the lake, had to paddle 350m upstream (which was no issue at all with the wing resting on my heels to avoid drag) to avoid the walk of shame across the overcrowded beach. Guess I am going to have to wait for a lot more wind lol
I'm two sessions in and I'm so surprised how difficult it is just getting up from kneeling to standing. I'm fairly tall which doesn't help much, and that's coming from years of windsurfing and kitefoiling. Will persevere!
Suggestion ... video about starting to turn, in taxi mode but powered. Most video, if so, show turning when on your knees or when standing up but stationary turning the board with your feet a d then powering up again. Most jump to turns when already being able to be on foil. Also most only show the jibe but when beginner you don't want to loose ground each time when turning. Lucky I now manage to go upwind (most of the time) but when I fall and need to get back on the board, find balance, flip over the wing, and by doing so I loose too much ground.
No, jabe and Tack when taxi because I'm not on foil yet. I did now 8 sessions, of only 4 with good wind, enough but not to strong either, but didn't get on foil a d loosing to much ground with turn or falling and back up.
Great tips thanks. I'm going to buy a wing soon, got a 4'8 38ltr board and Duotone Spirit Surf 1200 and spirit GT wing. Should be good for wing surfing :) Wait for Switch kites to launch the Switch wing
Thanks for this great into video! I like your approach to buying a board that you can grow into rather than a traditional beginner board. Can you help me determine the best volume for my weight if I also go with a Rocket 5-10? I'm weigh 150 pounds. No board experience on the water, however I've been sailing forever.
Richard, if you don’t mind the struggle of 5-10 sessions and some practice. I think you could get away with a 90L board for longer term satisfaction. But, you will have to pay your dues early.
Nicely done video! I've been very interested in the wing movement for a year or so. I'm a former windsurfer who got into kiteboarding, but got tired of the hassle of kiting in my area. I was also never comfortable with the long kite lines and the fact that you could get into trouble extremely fast kiting as compared to windsurfing. So, for the past few years, I've been thinking about getting back into windsurfing and then I saw all of the foil trend unfolding. Windsurf foiling and now wingfoiling look like the answer for me. I've been interested in those boards that can be used for windsurf foiling and I'm assuming wingfoiling. Any advice on that? Is it possible for a board to be good for both? Also, I've never foiled. Would it be easier to learn windsurf foiling first, then wingfoiling? New subscriber here and I'm looking forward to watching your other videos to see your progression!
You’re not going to find a windsurf foil board that will also work for wing foiling. You’ll want a smaller board than that for wing foiling. I would just learn how to get comfortable on a hydrofoil of any kind first. Whether that’s wake foil, cable park, etc. The wing control is actually pretty simple and pretty minimal in gear setup. Windsurf foiling has to be more difficult is my guess.
Getting ready to buy my first wing board but unsure about size. Curious to know many sessions you had on a larger board before going down in size? I am 75kg and an experienced kite foiler, and its typically pretty windy where I live (the gorge), any suggestions on size?
I am also 75kg and I started on a 90L board. Took 5-6 sessions to get comfortable with balance. I’m now on a 75L board, but everyone in the Gorge seems to progress to very small literage after the initial learning curve.
Thanks for telling the TRUTH. of us DO NOT have the skills or experience of Kai Lenny or Robby Nash! This is going to take a LOT of practice particularly in rough water and more than 11 mph. With step by step progression it is possible- even for a TALL senior citizen. Thanks.
I am surprised that no one mentions that you can use a twintips with a wing. You can actually beach start when the wind is strong enough, but it requires strong wind, a bigger wing, and quite a lot of practice. I use a Ozone wasp 6 and a liquid force Spark 130 board. Have fun.
Great Video! I can't wait for Part 2. I have an Ozone Wasp 4.0M and a Slingshot 145 Dialer with a Slingshot Hover Glide Infinity 84. Why struggle at low speeds ? Keep the videos coming.
@@TheOKKiteboarder I need 10 to get up with pumping on flat water. If there is a chop, a little more. I weigh 185. Once I'm foiling the big foil is very forgiving if the wind speed falls.
I just got into winging. I tried kiteboarding and felt really uncomfortable with the kite attached to me. I know there are safeties and I’m sure I could get it if I practiced but at this time I just didn’t like the feeling of the kite being more powerful than me and also being a danger to bystanders. Plus I need something I can do solo. I only have so many days off and I don’t want to have to rely on other people when I want to get in a session.
you forgot to add the easiest way to learn how to Hydrofoil. Efoil Electrci hydrofoil. We teach people with the Lift Efoils before we give Hydrofoil lessons with the wing or the kite. HUGE difference.
Great instructional videos, so thank you. We are primarily lake wing foiling with 8 to 12 knots, so wondering your thoughts on board volume (190# rider, new to foiling). We are considering a 142L board. We will have a 2,000 cm2 front wing and a Naish 6.0 S25.
I agree with the hand wing and front wing for those conditions but long term you will not be happy with a board that big imo. Your neutral lb/liters is around 86 Liters. I would get something around 100 L and sacrifice a couple of “difficult” sessions working on balancing on a board that size.
You may need to rename your channel "The OK Hydrofoiler" or "The Oklahoma Foiler" as you accept your foil addiction. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the inflatable wing boards as the promise of easy storage is very attractive but it's all about performance.
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Just wanted to say thank you for this video! It’s fantastic. I have the Naish 5.3 and a 110 board so everything you said made perfect sense! I’m struggling finding the right learning conditions. Either wind is to light and water is nice and smooth, or the wind is strong and water is a choppy mess. I’m learning on the ocean so the intimidation factor of being blown down wind or out is scary! Thanks for these and I really find them helpful!!! Next adventure is Kiteboarding!!! Can’t wait! Love the channel!
Howdy from TX via CA. Better late than never! Here I am trying wing foiling after 40 years surfing. My first session was exactly like you described in your video. I got wrecked! lol Too many unfamiliar moving parts to manage at one time. So I'm gonna use your strategy and familiarize myself with one thing at a time. Thanks for the video!
Thx. Let me know how it goes 👍
@@TheOKKiteboarder I went out today in very light wind, on flat water, with a SUP (with centerboard fin), and a 4.2m Slingwing. I was able to go cross wind but it was still a chore managing the wing and staying upright. Overall a much better go than the 1st time. Next session I will familiarize myself with the hydrofoil. Thanks for the tips!
So many people are into foiling of all types. I'm a plateaued kiter of 5yrs (skills are stuck at intermediate) with decades of former windsurfing experience. I haven't foiled in any way, shape, or form yet, but am really interested in wingfoiling as it looks like a great combination of the windsurfing and kitesurfing advantages. I realize some people think it's dumb looking, but the more time goes by the more positive things I keep hearing about it.
I think it is definitely going to have its place in wind sports.
Fantastic Video. One of the best, if not the best for beginners.
Thx Eckart!
Great video for starters, thanks a million Ok Kiter!
I find carrying a large board for a 5'6 145lb person with a small hatchback can be very challenging.
Inflatable could be a decent option.
Hey, I do believe we just camped next to you in Petoskey. You mentioned this sport and I think I'm now HOOKED! Shopping for the equipment now. Thanks!
Hey Troy! Yes, that was us. That's great, you won't regret it, and you live in a great area for it. Reach out anytime if you have questions. May mix well with your flight schedule as well for travel. Maybe you can get the Cozumel route. lol.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and taking the time and effort to make those amazing videos. I have windsurf and kite background , and find this so cool to hear your cross experience. I'm a beginner with wing and foil - both together super challenging. Your videos are helping me a lot. What makes your videos so helpful and encouraging is you share failures and not being embarrassed , safety is first - so awesome I can learn from you , big thank you . Please Please keep doing what you love and love what you do . And last but not least - this is the best instructional video series for winging the foil Ive found online !!!!! Very professional done ! Again Thank you from Vancouver Island
Thx Stefan, appreciate the kind words and what a beautiful place you have to call home.
Gear just arrived, time to get stuck in! Thanks OK kiteboarder
lol, you had me at "onewheel" haha
Love this video. Very instructive and comprehensive, congratulations !
Looking forward to having my first Wingfoil lesson soon.
Thank you from France !
Thx for the kind words🤙🏻
Just what I needed. Gonna start with a wing and my big SUP.
Go for it Randal!
great instruction, and much appreciated. very thorough and well-thought out!
Thx Jonathan!
Well the joys of being a rookie! I am enjoying the journey and I am experiencing exactly what you said. This is not easy to learn. I've made all the mistakes well, not all the mistakes. I am keeping my wing well away from any shish kebab opportunities. But, letting go with the front hand that's a good move! You find out right away why that's a bad idea! Walk of shame? Oh yeah, nothing but downwind and walk back. it's OK! I'm loving it.
At least I've been out in the lake now three times at the time of year when otherwise I wouldn't have stuck my big toe in. i've watched your videos, I've gone out and had those experiences, then watched the videos again and they seem to open right up and have even more meaning. It's terrific!
Going through the learning process at the moment, F-One Swing 5m, Starboard Wave Classic 1500, going ok but still not locked it in, I can however say there are many ups and downs :) Very nice Video and easy to understand, I too am waiting for E2. Thanks
Thx Adie!
Such amazing videos. It’s like watching a film production.
Great to see you doing wingfoil vids. Not sure why it took a month before it came up in my search results, especially given that I have been subscribed for ages. Keep it up.
Thx Adam! Been riding it quite a bit the last month or so. Starting to really enjoy it.
Very very hard, yesterday first try. 20 years on and off kiting, and one summer on foil behind a jet ski. Mostly made it to my knees or feet a few times. Did not get up on foil. I recommend big big board. Mine is 110L very unstable.
Stick with it. 👍
Great tips thanks
Not doing the wing thing - right now I'm a dedicated kiter, but I like the tall kneeling on a physio ball, especially tall split kneeling - that is legit!
I don't really get it from a kiteboarder perspective, outside of convenience in set up and go. I think a better transition would be from windsurfer to wing surfer/foiler but that is just me. I know its gaining popularity and thats hard to beat. I would do winging on a skateboard or landboard.
This was really well done, just as I would have expected from your channel. Thanks!
Thanks Adam B. Appreciate the kind words.
I remember seeing a very similar wing in a book about ice skating 30-40 years ago. The main difference was that instead of an inflatable frame it had a rigid frame but the shape and size were almost the same. I never tried it or ever saw one live. I always thought that the main problem was finding a smooth sheet of ice big enough. It's rare to find a lake without very bumpy ice, pressure ridges, etc. and the short blade length of an ice skate would make a fall at high speeds likely with some possible unpleasant consequences.
You really are OK! Great video.
Thanks!
Thanks, great video as always! I am looking forward to seeing and hearing about your Hipe in an upcoming video.
New in water sport just started my wing foil surfing training and it's a great video.
Thx Lekner!
great video. can you give us your weight and height so we can compare it vs you board choices?
Both riders in the video around 5’7” to 5’9” and 160 lbs
I did the exact same thing you did, skipped all advices and went for a 85L board while weighing 75kg mainly because of budget and not wanting to buy my way up in a short time- not going to lie about that one.
did my first session today as a total noob, in 6 knots wind because well... why not. Just wanted to get out on the water and get a feel of the board. Boy did that turn against me 😆😆 drifted off and stranded in the middle of the lake, had to paddle 350m upstream (which was no issue at all with the wing resting on my heels to avoid drag) to avoid the walk of shame across the overcrowded beach.
Guess I am going to have to wait for a lot more wind lol
Hey it’s a start and you actually learn a lot on those no wind days on the board.
Mahalo for your great videos. They really help. If you ever come to Maui look me up, you'd love it. Your place looks crowded but still fun
Thx Wayne. I love Maui! I’ve only had about six weeks total on the island, but it was a wind sport lovers paradise. Can’t wait to get back.
The Slingshot “Wing it” HELPS A LOT! It is not recommended for inflated SUP’s but works fine.
Great video. Now that I have gear, I appreciate the video more.
Thank you. This is the video I was looking for. Great work.
Great Instruction, I also practice my Winging on Inline Skates and Snow skis (probably no snow in OK;)
I want to go to in- lines too. That would be dope!
I'm two sessions in and I'm so surprised how difficult it is just getting up from kneeling to standing. I'm fairly tall which doesn't help much, and that's coming from years of windsurfing and kitefoiling. Will persevere!
Keep going Blue Sky. We’ve all been there!
Suggestion ... video about starting to turn, in taxi mode but powered. Most video, if so, show turning when on your knees or when standing up but stationary turning the board with your feet a d then powering up again. Most jump to turns when already being able to be on foil.
Also most only show the jibe but when beginner you don't want to loose ground each time when turning.
Lucky I now manage to go upwind (most of the time) but when I fall and need to get back on the board, find balance, flip over the wing, and by doing so I loose too much ground.
Neo, are you saying a video about how to jibe on foil without losing upwind gain, like a pivot turn?
No, jabe and Tack when taxi because I'm not on foil yet.
I did now 8 sessions, of only 4 with good wind, enough but not to strong either, but didn't get on foil a d loosing to much ground with turn or falling and back up.
Great tips thanks. I'm going to buy a wing soon, got a 4'8 38ltr board and Duotone Spirit Surf 1200 and spirit GT wing. Should be good for wing surfing :) Wait for Switch kites to launch the Switch wing
Very good explanations!
I ordered a 105l SUP-Foil Board with a 1900 Foil (90cm Mast) and a 5sqm Wing. Do you think, thats OK?
Great vid as allways 👍💪
Appreciate it!
@@TheOKKiteboarder I followe you for som time now and I learn a lot from your vids. Keep uu the god work👏🤙
Nice job.
Thanks!
Great video so so good I am just starting and you cover it all thank you .
Thx for the kind words! Good luck in your progression.
Awesome info thx
Excellent instructional, fun and very informative. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this great into video! I like your approach to buying a board that you can grow into rather than a traditional beginner board. Can you help me determine the best volume for my weight if I also go with a Rocket 5-10? I'm weigh 150 pounds. No board experience on the water, however I've been sailing forever.
Richard, if you don’t mind the struggle of 5-10 sessions and some practice. I think you could get away with a 90L board for longer term satisfaction. But, you will have to pay your dues early.
Nicely done video! I've been very interested in the wing movement for a year or so. I'm a former windsurfer who got into kiteboarding, but got tired of the hassle of kiting in my area. I was also never comfortable with the long kite lines and the fact that you could get into trouble extremely fast kiting as compared to windsurfing. So, for the past few years, I've been thinking about getting back into windsurfing and then I saw all of the foil trend unfolding. Windsurf foiling and now wingfoiling look like the answer for me. I've been interested in those boards that can be used for windsurf foiling and I'm assuming wingfoiling. Any advice on that? Is it possible for a board to be good for both? Also, I've never foiled. Would it be easier to learn windsurf foiling first, then wingfoiling? New subscriber here and I'm looking forward to watching your other videos to see your progression!
You’re not going to find a windsurf foil board that will also work for wing foiling. You’ll want a smaller board than that for wing foiling. I would just learn how to get comfortable on a hydrofoil of any kind first. Whether that’s wake foil, cable park, etc. The wing control is actually pretty simple and pretty minimal in gear setup. Windsurf foiling has to be more difficult is my guess.
So much good information, thank you.
Thx Andrew!
This is great info. Thank you. Well done.
Thx Natalie!
Excellent!
Nice edit! Thanks !
Cheers mate very helpful
Getting ready to buy my first wing board but unsure about size. Curious to know many sessions you had on a larger board before going down in size? I am 75kg and an experienced kite foiler, and its typically pretty windy where I live (the gorge), any suggestions on size?
I am also 75kg and I started on a 90L board. Took 5-6 sessions to get comfortable with balance. I’m now on a 75L board, but everyone in the Gorge seems to progress to very small literage after the initial learning curve.
@@TheOKKiteboarder Great input, thanks. Yes seems like around here size matters with the younger guys, less so for me at 65...
Brilliant
Thanks for telling the TRUTH. of us DO NOT have the skills or experience of Kai Lenny or Robby Nash! This is going to take a LOT of practice particularly in rough water and more than 11 mph. With step by step progression it is possible- even for a TALL senior citizen.
Thanks.
I am surprised that no one mentions that you can use a twintips with a wing. You can actually beach start when the wind is strong enough, but it requires strong wind, a bigger wing, and quite a lot of practice. I use a Ozone wasp 6 and a liquid force Spark 130 board. Have fun.
Great Video! I can't wait for Part 2.
I have an Ozone Wasp 4.0M and a Slingshot 145 Dialer with a Slingshot Hover Glide Infinity 84.
Why struggle at low speeds ? Keep the videos coming.
Thx Bill! You've got a few months under your belt. What are the lowest winds you're riding with that setup?
@@TheOKKiteboarder I need 10 to get up with pumping on flat water. If there is a chop, a little more. I weigh 185. Once I'm foiling the big foil is very forgiving if the wind speed falls.
Great information. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks much!
I just got into winging. I tried kiteboarding and felt really uncomfortable with the kite attached to me. I know there are safeties and I’m sure I could get it if I practiced but at this time I just didn’t like the feeling of the kite being more powerful than me and also being a danger to bystanders. Plus I need something I can do solo. I only have so many days off and I don’t want to have to rely on other people when I want to get in a session.
Exactly. These are a number of the reasons that winging is exploding.
Good video thank you 👍👍👍
Sweet vid, so excited to Wing. I do love wind surfing, but need a more travel friendly sport :)
you forgot to add the easiest way to learn how to Hydrofoil. Efoil Electrci hydrofoil. We teach people with the Lift Efoils before we give Hydrofoil lessons with the wing or the kite. HUGE difference.
Really great point Dylan!
Great instructional videos, so thank you. We are primarily lake wing foiling with 8 to 12 knots, so wondering your thoughts on board volume (190# rider, new to foiling). We are considering a 142L board. We will have a 2,000 cm2 front wing and a Naish 6.0 S25.
I agree with the hand wing and front wing for those conditions but long term you will not be happy with a board that big imo. Your neutral lb/liters is around 86 Liters. I would get something around 100 L and sacrifice a couple of “difficult” sessions working on balancing on a board that size.
Thanks for the video!
Is it possible to learn and ride in 7 knots winds?
Sorry but probably not.
Great video thxs..👊
Glad you liked it!
Are you still winging or did you go back to kitesurfing ?
Winging and kitefoiling. But not much of either lately unfortunately.
Anyone link me to Onewheel wing training video?
Exceed your weight in kg or lbs??
Liters equivalency.
do NOT get a 7 - 8 ' board unless it's something like the Naish crossover and you can keep it in your quiver for other applications
You may need to rename your channel "The OK Hydrofoiler" or "The Oklahoma Foiler" as you accept your foil addiction. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the inflatable wing boards as the promise of easy storage is very attractive but it's all about performance.
Lol. I’ve accepted it Iain. I still get the twintip out every now and then 🥴
lots of advertising really suck, i know making money is great, but this mass is so stressing my nervs......