Discord Debate but Ace Attorney Format: EP1 - WHEELS vs DOORS
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I was bored so I did this. probably the most effort shitpost I've done LMAO
watch our brainrot convo in the style of ace attorney
phoenix was me btw, and others were friends in discord!
Website used: objection.lol/
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Damn, it appears that this video is blowing up more than usual
Just wanna say thank you if you found this random ace attorney edit funny xD
Well, this is French Baguette Intelligence's whole schtick, so you probably leeched off some of their fanbase
Oh it was very funny. I'll also add something just for the sake of goofing.
Toys. The number of toy cars alone is astounding, and the definition didn't include *transporting living people.*
Rolling chairs
Guyz doors are luxury and not easy to make compared to simple transportation. If you make the necessary housing then that might not mean using doors. Cars have doors too but more wheels (also looking up wheels in car engine just went back to reddit discussing this). The reality is that the global economy would much rather sell cars with doors than sell housing with doors despite people deserving to have both.
Roller coasters having 40 to 50 wheels in a single ride:
I love that the ace attorney damage sound effect is supposed to be used when a character proves something and the other struggles but the community has turned it into "what you just said is so fucking stupid I had to physically recoil from it"
Could you give timestamp?
@@brayanxd4547 1:56
@@SlyceCaikThanks, haha
i like your bandee pfp
I mean I took damage from "barrels have wheels"
I like how they set ground rules before the argument went full swing
Which is how debates SHOULD work. You both find something you agree on about the topic, then argue the details and thought processes.
@@Majima_Nowhere Yup. That’s correct. But neither of these arguers were good. They argued about useless things not relating to the subject. They didn’t use proper Logic when arguing at times. Many reasons. If you wish for a little bit large breakdown, I can do so, as long as I bother watching this video again!
@@jonnemopola7245I mean, they were technicalities that could affect the argument often times. They’re arguing statistics, which can be complicated or outright scuffed.
2:41
The angry Edgeworth sprite saying
"Ooga booga honey, I'm off to kill wild boars with erm... my ducking skateboard."
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao that killed me too 😂
I actually can't bro 😭
thats my favourite part lol
Tony Rock, Pro Skater
That shit killed me
The wheelbarrow line is like 1000% i can see him saying canonically
This was the most peaceful end to an online argument I've ever seen.
The good ending.
half expected someone to be doxxed
half expected someone to be doxxed
@@spingleboygle why?
@@chilfang2422the internet is wild bro
I'll be honest edgeworth had me way more convinced than phoenix throughout the video
Considering the guy repping Phoenix didn’t know what a WHEELBARROW was? Yeah, Team Door
@@Lorekeeper_GGuythat's pretty on par for Phoenix though 😂
@@rustyshackleford83 Fair point
Nahh, he had me convinced at office chairs and shopping carts.
There is a lot of doors in some places for sure, but they are not as spammable as wheels
Uh but he was focused on misdirection the whole time?
5:17 tiresome? _tire_ some? _TIRESOME?_ GODDAMMIT EDGEWORTH
* heh, i don't know about you but i found that pretty 'punny'.
He really is edging worth
@@_VHS_sans._i’ve heard that pun a million times. be original guys
5:13 is the actual timestamp for anyone confused
@@facebiter_xd * c'mon throw me a 'bone' here man, i'm not gonna make everybody laugh.
Phoenix and edgeworth talking with the total lack of spelling grammar and punctuation is somehow hilarious
Always been in love with the discord accent
@@dyhhffjuojg4sd that's funny but I think it's moreso just casual texting
cars doesn't count
I love the complete lack of vocabulary that one expects of a Discord user "Turning mechanism metal thing" instead of hinge and "Office squares" instead of cubical
To be fair, "cubical" literally means "shaped like a cube" so office square is just as good of a name in that regard!
@@pyritenightmare it’s cubicle, not cubical.
@@Shade7x The point stands, though.
@@pyritenightmare but cubical is an
adjective meaning cube-shaped and cubicle is a small compartment for work or study. It’s quite a bit more useful than “office square”. There are many square things in the office (and squares are flat).
I’m mostly concerned about not knowing the word for hinge though. That’s not exactly esoteric vocabulary.
Huh I thought they were talking about handles and was confused because some just push
I personally think there are more wheels than doors but phoenix did an awful job of representing us and has since been fired as our lawyer
Description says the guy who made this video was Phoenix 😭
@@isaacwho8game recreation quality: A+
Debating skills; C- (see me after class)
Yeah. In a single suburban home, there are several doors, but let's take my parents house. Vacuum cleaner - wheels. The fridge and washing machine have wheels. Several chairs that have 4 wheels. A mower, edger, fertilizer spreader, they have a cart for moving dirt, they have furniture dollies. There are some trash cans, shredders and even plant pots on wheels. They have suitcases and laptop bags that all have wheels. They have coolers with wheels. There's wheels everywhere, and don't say they don't count, all the wheels I listed help you move a household object, which is technically transportation!
@@ethanmoon3925 your fridge has wheels, what are you a fucking politician, a lawyer, who got that kind of money
@Door3234 Nah man, it's super common. Very small ones that help you if you need to pull it out from the wall or push it back. Not every fridge has it, but a lot of super basic ones do. Honestly they're usually not very good and it's still hard to move out around just because it's so heavy.
i love that they both just took a moment to clarify steering wheels and completely agreed with each other lol
The “erm, keep yourself safe” got me like DAMN
lol
Same tbh
💀
It never ceases to amaze me how people get so heated and will argue so passionately over the dumbest crap imaginable 😂
i can't believe neither of them thought of wheelchairs lol. those are deffo a survival item hhdshhsdakhgsfa i was waiting the whole time for one of them to remember
anyway doors _and_ wheels rock this world, glad both those things exist, it took humanity a LONGGG TIME to invent wheels (possibly longer than doors?)
@@nobodyimportant1968wherls came first cause people live in cave first and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and uh and carriages
While, yes, it's a survival item in a sense for today's world, it didn't fit what Edgeworth was discussing.
People in 400 BC did not have wheelchairs. If a person back then needed a wheelchair, it's more likely that they were a lame beggar in the city requesting kindness from strangers or were dead.
0:51
You can survive without one so it isn’t a need but maybe what could be called a basic luxury.
Lego. They are the largest wheels producers in the world, they also make lego doors, but i don't think that counts
They make way more wheels than they do doors. Also office chairs. Then you gotta ask the question, are gears and roller bearings wheels? Either way, still more wheels than doors.
Why would lego wheels count and lego doors not
@@Ruiu. because lego weels can move objects, but lego doors can't be actually used in everyday life
OBJECTION!
Although they may be a miniature mass production of an actual wheel, you cannot use them for a proper vehicle. Such as a skateboard, a wheelchair, or even a car. You *_could_* make mini figures of them but they aren’t proper and cannot be used for actual vehicles, *ONLY MINI FIGURES!*
@@WonderedGoose99 why not? Lego doors can open and close, literally what a door does
It’s very funny to think of “Car is Net Zero for this argument” but, think about Limousines, 16 Wheelers, and even compact cars with no backseats. There’s actually some variation there that can also be explored.
Most SUVs have six doors. Two on each side, the back hatch (which is used for either cargo or an extra pair of foldable/installable seats), and the engine hood, which you _enter_ to access the engine.
The gas tank, however, is too small to be accessible by a human, which is why we call its door a "hatch."
Not to mention most Hypercars having only 2 doors, but still 4 wheels, making them a +2 for wheels.
True, but think, how many vehicles have more than 4 wheels, and how many vehicles have trunks? 99% of vehicles have the drunk door
also those goofy 3 wheeled cars
Yeah Phoenix's ace in this argument is the eighteen wheeler, due to the vastness of the trucking industry, in the US and in other countries
honestly so proud of them for that ending, too many of these end in rage quits or cut off screaming, it's actually really great to see friends being amicable and knowing when to set something aside
Doors. Hear me out.
If a wheel is going fast enough, it can kill a person, and therefore all wheels can be considered a gateway into heaven or hell, so there are at least twice as many doors as there are wheels.
if we're getting technical, the hinges of doors can count as wheels since they allow a vehicle (the door) to travel from a to b. therefore every door contains at least 2 wheels.
But do hinges go brrr?
ah, but most doors have knobs, which is a kind of wheel
@@aldar8240 no, knobs don't go brrr
@@megafirebird22 you've never turned a knob back and forth a bunch? if that ain't going brrr I don't know what is
I love this meta of random drawn-out arguments as ace attorney plots.
if the back of a car can be opened, does that count as a door? what about people who pack spare tires in case one goes flat? im obsessed
The back of a door doesn't really acts as an entrance so I don't think it counts. and packing spare tires, yeah that's true.
technically the boot/trunk does count as a door when referring to a car. if youre talking about a sedan or smth, youd say it has 5 doors - two to get in the front, 2 for the back, 1 for the boot/trunk. ofc this is only rly on like. listings of cars and stufd
Don't forget vans that literally have two doors in the back
@@spacebarninja Plenty of hatchbacks and sedans are designed to enable easy entry through the boot, and utes typically have a small door on their tray that's intended to enable climbing into the tray to move items through, so rear doors/hatches should definitely count.
@@spacebarninja It's an entrance to my kidnapped victims
I'm surprised they didn't consider stuff like Lego, who alone make an average of about 300 Million wheels each year, making 700 million in 2019. There are also doors the have wheels on the bottom. Food video though, it was fun to watch.
Food video
That's true, completely slipped my mind about Legos xD
Thanks! glad you enjoyed it
food video yummy
Wheels or tyres? Do tyres count as wheels?
I don't think it's fair to include tiny wheels for vehicles humans don't use, but not tiny doors for houses that people don't use. I think toys and cabinets should count as doors if legos count
I’m also team wheels. Mostly because, while there are lots of buildings with a bunch of doors, each individual room and small one room buildings have a lone door. But it’s rare that you’ll find only one wheel on its own. They come in pairs and sometimes rows of pairs. Everything with wheels has wheels, not just a wheel.
Unicycle?
@@SilverButterflies_33 Unicycles are an outlier and very uncommon, I’ve never actually seen one before outside of cartoons
Wheelbarrow?
@@emanyzal9813 wheelbarrows typically have two or three wheels, i've seen a one-wheeled wheelbarrow only a couple times
@@i.minpayne2561wdym the one wheel wheelbarrow is the most iconic?
Put one wheel on one end of large bucket, two metal prongs to rest the bucket level when you're not holding it, then two handles sticking out the back. Pick up by handles and move forward with your own man power. One wheel
I’ll end this debate once and for all:
Wheels.
Well, i just did a tally of things i own, and between my car and home there are 16 doors, and between my car, bike, office chairs, garbage bins, and roller suitcase there are 20 wheels. So, in my life at least, there seems to be more wheels
0:43
Pheonix: "door = a person entering
wheel = circle go *brrr"*
Edit: never thought this would get liked even once.
unironically this is one of the most intellectual, and peaceful arguments on discord and online wth
"but bikes, and motorbikes doesn't have doors" with the dramatic zoom in killed me
I'm gonna go with wheels. Have you considered the sheer amount of stuff that have wheels? From furniture to appliances to toys to vehicle. All things that are meant for transport on land have wheels. And we move a lot of stuff. A door is just a way to get in and out of a confined space while still maintaining it a confined space. You just need a few per spaces and one can work just fine. But for the majority of wheeled thing, you need 3 or 4.
This was genuinely very funny. Nice job.
Thanks!
Boats have doors but not wheels. Also gates might count
How about the propellers that give it propulsion? That counts as a wheel too. Not to mention that sliding gates have wheels that move them. I haven't even started on planes!
A lot of boats use a trailer, which have 3 wheels minimum for moving the boat over ground. some may also count the wheels on top of the trailer.
@@jamiewills9852I'm thinking like, cruise ships, cargo ships, that kinda thing. Actually now that I'm thinking about it, shipping containers have like 2-4 doors on them
@@Alex_FishmanThe definition provided in the video, the one that should be followed for comments on this video, says otherwise.
@@Alex_Fishman propellers are not wheels lol
Google says there are more doors tho.....
They only count vehicles. They're not counting things like lego, office chairs, shopping carts, toy vehicles, etc.
@@polarknight5376Going off the definition of the video used for Doors I can see how it would apply to wheels as well.
@@polarknight5376I thought they said they weren't including toys in the wheel/door argument
@@afanontheceiling I didn't watch the video. Not including toys or non-vehicles is extremely silly.
@@polarknight5376 Do you ride a luggage carrier?
This reeks of discord discussion energy. Thank you for sharing in this particularly salient format
I love that you had a friend show up for two lines 😂😂😂
I fully expected one of the comments to be “My hands hurt” when they were going back and forth doing objections
Not me unironically popping off when Pheonix made the "cars are redundant" point 😭
Shopping carts. The surplus of wheels in your grocery stores likely hit a huge quota, and then nearly every office building takes the cake too for wheels v doors.
Ah yes, discord. The place where the smartest minds gather to discuss the most pointless and downright useless topics.
I hope this video gets more views. I need to know what the popular opinion on "Wheels vs. Doors" is
At first I was team door because by the door's definition the back door of a car counts as a door.
So that means that for every car there are more doors than wheels (on most cars I mean) which invalidates by itself a lot of wheels.
Also we can count smaller doors such as closet door, trapdoors, ect which are reammy common. But then could we count openable windows into account ?
I mean that's an access point where a person can pass through, by that account you can count cars having 9 doors because you can open indenpendently 9 openings where a person can get through.
But then I thought about it and examples such as office chairs or shopping carts and it's telling that there are a ton of small object in buildings that can invalidate a lot of doors by themselfes because objects often requires 2-4 wheels min.
Idk man it's a weird one.
Pocket doors and sliding doors deffo count
I love how they just forget coupes exist and assume every car is a sedan.
It depends from the definition, there are a lot of wheels that are not in use, then, wheels are more common
But if we use the primitive times as argument, ancient buildings did not have doors
The wheeled barrel bit almost made me cry
This was really funny, and not to reignite the debate here, but I am still team doors for this one. (Rollercoasters do have door, btw, they're the thing you open to get into the cart and close before the ride starts. There are, on average, about two per individual cart I think. So maybe that's still more wheels than doors, but _they do have doors okay-)_
Ah yeah, I forgot rollercoasters can have doors, but still have tons of wheels though lol, glad you found it funny!
Lego. Lego makes about 300 million wheels each year, 700 million in 2017. Also office chairs. I can't find how many caster wheels office chair companies buy each year but it has to be in the hundreds of millions. Shopping carts/trolleys. Trains. They may have a lot of doors too, but there's always at least two to four wheels for every door. And for every real thing with both doors and wheels, there is its toy counterpart with wheels but no doors, like hotwheels and model trains.
@@polarknight5376 I believe, if lego toy doors don't count because they're not "real" doors since you can't use them to enter or exit places, then lego toy wheels and hot wheels shouldn't either because you can't use them to travel anywhere. It's only fair, if we're discounting one, that we discount the other. In a game of numbers, you're probably still right even so that there are more wheels - in a contest of usefulness, though, I'm voting doors every time. And I believe that's what important regardless of winning this specific argument.
@@whilenya4714 they absolutely count, but lego doesn't make nearly as many doors as they do wheels.
@@polarknight5376 how would they count though? Like, you can't exactly ride a tiny lego car. Those things fall apart. They aren't a vehicle when using the rules of the arguement in this video.
2:03 THE BRRRRM SENT ME OH MY GOD
Funnily enough some civilisations literally went into medieval.times eithout even knowing what wheel is. Before Columb arrived many countires in Americas were wheeless.
Whichnmakes their building even more impressive.
This is false. Many countries that were considered to have not invented the wheel had in fact done so, as proven by various toys found within them. However, wheels weren't used in countries like Africa as they were useless and were prone to getting stuck due to terrain, making things like camels more useful for transport. This was shown when colonists who came to these countries found themselves that their wheels wore out quicker and were less useful.
The claim that many non-western countries hadn't invented wheels is a dogwhistle by white supremacists trying to aim they're less advanced, and that they couldn't have invented or built the things they did themselves. I don't really think your guilty of this, I just wanted to I form you on the context of saying these countries didn't have wheels.
@@jackorton821 I mean they knew how to use rolling to their advantage, but they werent using typical wheels. Mayans (which was my main example) mostly used round logs if they needed to move something REALLY HEAVY istead.
There is also big difference from wheel to turning it into an axle and then turning it into something that can be used on something that can be reliably pulled on your terrain, which was impossible for them... basically due to terrain.
@@jackorton821goddamn did you also watch that video by Premodernist about Africa?
@@jackorton821 plus as an aside it believed Native Americans aren’t strictly native and are in fact Mongolian in origin and simple crossed into America from the Ice Bridge that connected North America to Northern Asia. When the bridge melted they stayed here. When DNA tested a lot of Natives have Mongolian Ancestry which supports the idea
@@Anna-Thea7173 Probably, was it by Lonerbox?
A door here is any entrance that a human can enter. This means that doorways, holes, large boxes, and more are doors (at least by the definition used in this video). Thus, there are significantly more doors than wheels.
Before industrialisation it was door, that's certain, but now I have no idea.
discord debates be insanely good 😲 imagine all the other debates going on in discord like this one rn
edgeworth had me thinking for a while, but phoenix locked in and convinced me at the end. shopping carts were a big w for phoenix fr
See this is how you start a debate, by defining your terms. THEN you can let it devolve into madness
God damn this feels like a even worse is a hotdog a sandwich arguement.
a hotdog is a taco
@champion_ofcloud-var through your logic, a sub sandwich is also a taco, since the bread is usually left connected.
@@lefishe5845 through my logic, i looked at a reddit post a long time ago and yes a sub sandwich is a taco
Doors,
In this world, there will most likely exists a Minecraft world in which someone has '/replace'd a billion doors just for fun. Or if that doesn't exist, I'm sure it will in a few months.
Not quite sure if the above pass the definition.
Would a transistor count as a door for electrons to move through?
it was beautiful
ikr, thank you
Please Spacebar, we need more debate videos of you and jar guy. Your ace attorney videos are the best on youtube, no other gives the same kind of chaotic energy to keep me laughing my ass off at 4am
If you consider wheel as basicaly any circle then there are more wheels, but if you limit it to only the ones used for movement then doors win easily
Have you considered the gears inside of a contraption as a wheel, since it makes the thing move?
3:22 "not all people have houses" fair point
Definitely a few historical uh, stretches. 10/10 for the funny though. If another debate ever pops up in Discord, PLEASE make it an ace attorney format! This is awesome. Also I find it super hilarious that whoever was the Edgeworth guy at the end just gave up because he got so tired! And then they both just respectfully ended it on silly terms of “oh google just says wheels are more abundant”. What a great way to end a discord debate XD
theres 4 billion buildings, and only 1 billion cars. theres definitely way more doors than wheels, especially when you consider stuff like cabinet doors and the doors on appliances like fridges and ovens
Nuh uh. Firstly not all buildings have doors. Secondly most wheels are not on cars. 18 wheelers have a 9:1 wheel to door ratio. Most bikes have a 2:0 wheel door ratio. Wheeled carts have anywhere between 2:0 to 8:0 wheel door ratio. Drawers generally have at least 2 wheels and oftentimes more. Sliding doors almost always have at least 2 wheels per door.
Technically they defined a door as a doorway of which a person can go through.
... however the term doorway does not require a "door". Entrances of passageways can also be reffered to as doorways regardless of the presence of a "door".
Thus, I would argue anything a person can enter can be said to be a door.
If wheels apply to any object, but doors only apply to people, then literally every cabinet that slides with a wheel counts as one. Also just think about the janitorial system. Mop buckets have four wheels. Any office is going to be full of rolling chairs. A pallet jack has what, like 6 wheels?
This is not close. In the average house maybe MAYBE *MAYBE* it's close. But not in all of modern civilization.
This definately sounds like forum arguments I've been involved in.
I'm on team wheel.
they didnt tap into furniture and the sheer amount of wheels in there
2:41 this was hilarious
I feel like Edgeworth was trying to use a strawman argument or something like that when he said buildings were a necessity and wheels weren't.
3:34 someone needs to put the kendrick yelling here
This is absolutely genius
Argument 1/3: 4:00 My van has six doors. (not counting ones from Argument 3)
Argument 2/3: Some doors in houses have smaller doors in them for pets. That's even more doors per entrance.
Argument 3/3: And if a door is something that can be opened and closed that a person can enter a building, vehicle, or other closed space with...then a lot of car windows are also doors.
bless up, this popped up in my feed and I’m really happy that the debate and characters seemed to match somehow
good vid
this reminds me of the ace attorney videos despotcito would make of his discord convos with friends, sad to see that they're not friends anymore
god i remember those times. sadly things don't last forever and also their channel got hacked
good arguments well presented
I could not have chosen a better video to watch during my lunch break thank you
Phoenix forgetting both the terms for wheelbarrow and locks, instead calling them “barrels (with wheels)” and “turning mechanisms metal thingy” is sending me. 🤣
Please make more, this was hilarious and had us crying laughing at times imagining Edgeworth seriously objecting on some of those grounds XD
6:00 The random "Keep Yourself Safe" just made me burst into laughter😂
A cars "Boot" or "Trunk" is counted as a door, therefore, regular cars are +1 to doors.
However. There are mini cars with 2 (that small french city car) or 3 doors (the $6k British electric car) only, and contribute to wheels more.
Hear me out;
You can use a wheel as a door but not a door as a wheel (in most cases)
AND
There are a lot of doors that require wheels (eg sliding doors, especially older/historical ones)
No way they gave up 😭 This is definitely one of those arguments that is so clearly one sided but could easily be drawn out into a tie or DOORS winning. Really surprised something like public restrooms weren't brought, I vote for a retrial.
It went from being some historical and scientific debate, to a full-on insane argument about which is more suited. 😂
A civil argument on Discord? Damn
On the property I am currently on, there are 25 or 26 doors (do double doors count as 1 or 2?) in the building and at least 36 wheels among the vehicles, tools, and toys. There might be more toys with wheels that I forgot about, which would bring that number up.
got tilted 23 seconds in bc the eyes very famously do, in fact, have a hole in them through which light enters
This is dead ass the best UA-cam video I've seen all year after the Not Like Us video. To be #2 on my list of thousands is impressive
ngl team door, think about it, there are no multi-level vehicles that have more wheels because of that except busses ig but there are skyscrapers that have office doors, elevator doors, bathroom stall doors the entrance door, planes have more doors than wheels, boats dont have wheels but doors, cars have equal doors to wheels, there are also sliding/window doors
I audibly cracked up (it sounded more like a sneeze tbh) at "does a horse have wheels??"
Phoenix is absolutely not cooking on this one. There's more doors in one skyscraper than there are wheels on one car AND THE CAR HAS DOORS
I love how it just ends with "I cant argue with google" lol😂
Phoenix missing the 18 wheelers and the fact that some cars have 2 doors is insane
If it is “circle go brr” then the micro motors used by 60% of bacteria that use them to power their flagellum. Would technically be classified as a wheel under this definition.
I DIED WHEN HE SAID WHEELBARROW 😭😭😭😭😭☠️☠️☠️☠️
This is how I’m going to see every discord debate from now on
Gears would count as they help other gears move
Thank you, FYP, for showing me whatever tf this is
yeah i'm still team wheels. 10 doors in my apartment, 12 wheels just from office chairs, and another 10 from skateboards and similar things. there are more wheels if you count toy cars as well
Honestly Edgeworth has me way more convinced. I stand my ground as a "more doors" believer
Wheels probably win because in order for an object to have wheels and be good at rolling it likely needs multiple wheels (except for unicycles but i doubt many people other than street performers have those), at minimum two but most things with wheels probably have 4 because its most stable. Doors require a lot of prerequisites to exist, most notable being having enough walls around the door that it not only has a place to be anchored to but also enough walls that theres even a reason for a door to exist. Also, would stuff like microwaves count, because of the spin disc thing that turns the food around? Thats like 3-4 wheels each for only 1 door, but i guess that’s depending on the specific design of the microwave. Also in the video they disregarded cars because they have four wheels and four doors, but they forgot to mention that there are some cars that only have 2 doors but still like 3 or 4 wheels, yet i have never seen a car with 6 doors.
I'm on team wheels because door hinges are a type of wheel
you gotta take into account that both wheels and doors are mass produced, and not all are being currently used. there are a massive amount of doors and wheels in storage houses and stores just waiting to be bought.
since wheels are getting replaced more often than doors, they're in higher demand, therefore there are more wheels made than doors.
Gonna say this is an absolute trip to watch when high
At this point in time there are more wheels then Doors, cogs, hinges are a type of wheel etc
unless you count rocks as doors if used to block of a hole
A hinge isn’t a wheel. It’s a hinge