Does liquid lime for food plots really work? Part 1
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2023
- On todays video we discuss many liquid fertilizer and lime options. Liquid lime is a great tool , if it’s the right product. The Same with liquid fertilizer, if it’s the right product.
Brad Harper from Harper Growing Solutions helps clear up a lot of questions and bad information regarding these products.
As well as answer the ag lime vs pelletized lime question.
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Can’t tell you how delighted I was too see you had brad doing the podcast with you I’ve been using plot dr products going on 4 years couldn’t be happier with the results so between John and brad far as I’m concerned this is a winning team
Met Brad last year to buy some northwoods seed. Really great guy. I moved to MI from AL last year so I wasn't familiar with the environment really at all and he helped me very quickly with just some tips while going over the best seed for my goals.
Great informational video guys! Been using Brad's Plot Dr for 3 yrs and never going back to granular.
Great information John and Brad thanks for the show much appreciated!
Good discussion. The agronomists I spoke with are in some agreement, but one seed supplier was using what they'd call a rule of thumb, of 100# of quality pell lime to raise pH by 0.1 point. 1000# to raise pH by 1 full point. As to ag lime, I don't have access to the resources to deliver/spread it, so I've opted for the pell lime. So, I'd question the cost of pell vs. the liquid sources. If shipping is added, I'd say they're about the same in price overall.
Thanks so much! Can't wait for the next few videos!!
Awesome video John & Brad. You guys hit all the points and answered lots of questions most have when using liquid. I started using Plot Dr products 3 years ago and ive seen great results with the Penecal & folar and will never go back to granular. Plus it takes me much less time to spray than to spread granular lime & fertilizers
Great video. I’ve got a 100 gal 3 pt sprayer and a no till drill , so this is right up my alley
I will try this in the future! Putting down powdered lime is messy! Spraying lime and fertilizer sounds much easier also! Great video!
I've been using Plot Doctor liquid lime for 2 years and its a game changer! No more hauling a ton of lime at a time in 50lb bags, I'm getting too old for that!
Had used pelletized lime for years when needed, and always had lush looking plots. Decided to try the white bottle DG product as a time saver, and the results were pathetic. I came across the Plot Dr. liquid lime product this season, and have ordered some.
Well done Guys, Great video! I have been using Brad's products for the last 2 years with great success. We have had a lot of fun doing trials and continuing to learn what works, and what doesn't within each food plot blend, and soil type.
Excellent informative video.
Excited to switch to liquid after I dump all this granular this year
try your stuff this year. spray my mix 2 time this year. 1 in july and then in september. with the little to no rain i could see when i spray on my next time. stuff works
Nice chalk board.
Awesome educational video, what size nozzle do u suggest 4 a 25 gal fimco boom sprayer, 3 nozzles
Awesome information. Should go well with the 6 lbs of chicory I ordered yesterday.
Thanks
I can certainly see using liquid applications of various products, including lime and fertilizer, to grow an effective food plot or crop. My concern is when folks begin to rely on that as their annual solution, instead of focusing on the fundamentals of soil health. Studies have shown that synthetic fertilizers actually inhibit the networks of fungi and bacteria in soil that mine and exchange nutrients with diverse plantings. In essence, these communities become "lazy" in mining resources, because of the synthetic applications provided immediately to the root zone or through foliar applications. From a long term perspective, our efforts should be focused on actually creating healthy soil, not doctoring the symptom of a problem. For 1-3 years, while you build up your soil quality, I can see using these types of products, but they aren't a good long-term substitute for actual mineral nutrients or a thriving soil biota.
Wondering what the NPK ratio is on the liquid fertilizer?
I don't know what to believe. A salesman doesn't convince me.
Unfortunately my location makes trucking in 16 tons of lime almost impossible.
Brad is more an agronomist than salesman.
Check out our new products we just came out with in partnership with Brad .
I see you have Plot Dr. Dry that has carbon. So I assume that it will also increase the cation carrying capacity. So, would you recommend the dry and the calcium/penecal around the same time? Also, if you foliar fertilize and then allow the previous crop to decay, will the minerals that are from the spray transfer to the soil?
Thank you for doing this topic. This was very helpful. I have a few questions. How many times should this foliar be applied if you do a summer seed (soil builder and HD screening) and then a fall seeding (sandy blend) also?
The last question is how do I find out how much I need of foliar from my soil test?
Again, thanks for doing this topic.
Brad will chime in soon
If you send us your soil sample we can go over it and look at what crops your planting in each plot then I can give you recommendations.
@@bradharper1102 where do I email it too?
What is the shelf life for the calcium product? More specifically, I have a small plot 1/3 acre and may only use half a bottle in one season. Also would you suggest this product on RC switchgrass plantings?
FYI - My RC just emerged in central Pa! 3 year old cave-in-rock a foot already. Warm spring has it going early! Great stuff John!
The products are fine year to year, but we recommend giving them a good shake a couple times through out the winter. Also we don’t want those products to freeze. You can send me your soil sample and we can take a look to see if it would be a good application on your switch or not. Sometimes it’s worth doing an application on switch and sometimes we don’t have to
My fimco 20 gallon two nozzle sprayer has teejet nozzles from factory with individual screens. After screens are removed will this Plot Dr. run through or too thick? Like you said John, i would consider these as misting nozzles. Thx
U can mix it thin. Double triple water rates
Just wondering. Internet research say limestone is 50percent plus calcium carbonate. Can you connect the dots for me here. If limestone is 50 percent or more calcium carbonate there would be more than 1000lbs per ton. Thank you
Excellent Video! Can put these products through a back pack sprayer?
Yes
Just adjust the spray nozzle to open it up more.
You can. I’m a backpack we use very low rates but if you can somewhat calibrate your sprayer, we can figure out exactly how much. Most of the time it’s only a few ounces per tank
How do you spray Brassicas. I don't like riding over them with my side x side when I spray?
You can drive on them and the recover in the first 4-5 weeks
After that I use a backpack sprayer
I bought all the liquid products from the plot doctor. I have a 24 gallon sprayer four nozzle with a boom for a four wheeler. I'm spraying an acre and not using any herbicides. What size nozzle should I use on the sprayer?
As big as you can get
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I used triple 15 on a 1 acre plot I recently planted. How soon can I use liquid plot start or plot boost? And which one should I use? The start or the boost?
Neither
Use plot dr. Much better product.
I spoke with the Author of the Missouri Study because I was getting all kinds of misinformation from different people which states 2000 lbs. of AG lime = 200 lbs. of Pellet lime. He agreed that lime is lime and there really is no difference between the both. I see a lot of quote "Experts" who are wrong and preach that pellet lime and AG lime are different. My research after speaking with the lime experts shows that lime is lime and the only difference is the bonding agent that helps spread the Pellet lime. I used Plot Dr. once and am considering using it this year as a boost. I am still spreading 4K lbs. of pellet lime on my 2 1/4 acre food plots. What are your thoughts on this?
that will work great. alot of times guys will spread ag/pel lime and use the liquid to change that quickly until the other lime kicks in and reacts. You can use all liquid if you want, but the way your going to do it will work. Using the liquid as a supplement works great
I'm going down the road of somewhat diverse cover crops to feed the soil biology before my Fall/Winter Food Plots (essentially more cover crops). ref. Christine Jones about "Quorum Sensing" and the bacteria/fungal network making "unavailable nutrients" available. My concern is that the biology will get lazy if the plants can merely slurp from a straw so to speak vs. having the underground biome work for them based on root exudates from photosynthesis. Any thoughts? I can see many traditional farmers thinking that nature as described is "snake oil"! But have you seen those Redwoods growing out of a crack in the bedrock without someone going there to fertilize every so often?
Now regarding the monoculture I plant for screening Switchgrass, etc. just removing nutrients -- you may have my interest there! My screening definitely struggles in my relative sandy soil.
The sandy soil om needs to be built up if possible.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 I sacrificed the edge of my prev built up foid plot and frost seeded switch into it. Will be interesting to see if an improvement over past strips planted into 'native' soil. Did get your RC Switch for future prepared sites, an experiment for next year I suppose.
This is a great question and we’ll go over this as well on our next video going through each product more in depth.
For the next video can you answer how much a gallon of the liquid nitrogen on Harpers website will cover in acres of possible
Yea, absolutely. We were going to go in a little more depth on each product and will touch on the liquid N for sure
Should be noted to not mix this with round up. I believe it will ruin the round up right?
Other brands say it can be mixed. I don’t. I roll, spray let die then seed and fertilize/liquid “lime”.
Can liquid foliar and nitrogen be used on switch grass like the deer screening?
I wouldn’t the first year.
But possibly the second of no weeds are present. But most switch doesn’t need very much help, unless the soil is really bad.
Yes it can. We will spray screening early in the season and can also do a foliar application as well as well after it’s up
Great video! Can I spray my clover/chicory plot with the liquid fertilizer?
Yes
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Yes. You can spray on anything as it won’t burn. Perennials are a great option for liquid as we can really incorporate the calcium and the foliar product. Normally spray spring and fall with a little amount each time
@@bradharper1102 would you recommend before or after mowing clover?
We can do either or. Depends on weather and your schedual but will touch more on this in next video
Where do I get penecal? Not on plot Dr website?
They are working on it .
Should be a few weeks
The are talking about plot start as the big white jug…right?
Can’t mention names lol…..
Lawyers may get involved 🤷🏼♂️
Yours is derived from calcium carbonate but at 4 min mark you mention your competitors product is also a calcium carbonate product.
Theirs is calcium Chloride
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 ok thanks for clearing it up. I've mixed things by accident too in an interview
Is there any Hard Data that you can show us? Your product is a 1-something-something @ 10.4lbs/gal and it comes out to 1.6oz N/Gal. Even with some fert. getting tied up in cationic exchange, you will lose some liquid due to evaporation (especially when in a drought) and volatility. How can that liquid compete with even straight Urea on getting #’s of N to the plant at a remotely reasonable cost?
I can understand if it is strictly used as foliar feed after you put 95-99% of the needed N in the ground, but I just saw a video where your company said they broadcast sprayed Corn 1 time at planting with this product and acted like that is all that was needed.
*if my math was right, it would cost over 70k to put that product out at 100 units of nitrogen per acre*
Hope I am wrong, but I can not believe it until I see actual unbiased research on comparative input costs per acre and yields/acre. It could be the difference in your soils vs mine, but I doubt it is that much of a difference. Sorry.
Not sure what you are watching. But we don’t deal with corn, I never did a corn video and no it would not cost 70k for plot dr nitrogen per acre.
You clearly have us confused with someone else. We never did a corn video, we don’t plant corn
im not sure what video that was but with my liquid N we are mainly using it as a foliar and is normally anywhere from 1 qt-3 gal per acre, which at the very high end costing 90$ per acre. not sure the cost of urea now but thats not too expensive depedning on the situation. On your question of getting #'s to the plant when doing foliar N, your getting right in the plant and not loosing much to leaching,or the soil using any either.
Great video John.were can I find some of the plot Dr.I really learned a lot I can't wait to see the next video.Were can I find him on Instagram?
Brad is working on the food plot bottle for Penecal. But the rest can be forums at www.harpergs.com