Why the Marxist view of history is probably the most useful way of understanding the modern world

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  • @KrunoslavStifter
    @KrunoslavStifter 3 години тому +21

    Hegel was not a philosopher Simon. He was an ideologue. Big difference. Philosophy rightly defined is love of wisdom and wisdom is what is left when we get rid of personal opinions. Hegel and other ideologues are virtually entirely concerned with their own opinion and utopian ideologies. As for Marxist view of history, it is best described by Karl himself:
    "Communism is the riddle of history solved, and it knows itself to be this solution.”
    ― Karl Marx, Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844s Karl Marx
    In other words, according to Marx, communism is a place on earth that represents the end of history according to the view of history as being made up of class struggle called historic materialism. Communism therefore is the end of the class struggle and represents "the right side of history".
    “Kirk defined the ideologue as one who “thinks of politics as a revolutionary instrument for transforming society and even transforming human nature.” Unleashed during the most radical phase of the French Revolution, the spirit of ideology has metastasized over the past two centuries, wreaking horrors. Jacobinism, Anarchism, Marxism, Leninism, Fascism, Stalinism, Nazism, Maoism-all shared the fatal attraction to “political messianism”; all were “inverted religions.” Each of these ideologies preached a dogmatic approach to politics, economics, and culture. Each in its own way endeavored “to substitute secular goals and doctrines for religious goals and doctrines.” Thus did the ideologue promise “salvation in this world, hotly declaring that there exists no other realm of being.” ― Russell Kirk
    The current crop of woke lunatics is a bastard child of liberalism and marxism. If we only make all the "underprivileged minorities" more privileged than all the racism and whatever in the world will be resolved, and utopia is just around the corner, but always out of reach, hence all manners of totalitarianism and oppression are justified in the minds of ideologues for they see themselves on the "right side of history", and more morally just than everyone else.
    The primary characteristic of totalitarian ideologues is essentially moral arrogance, a complete lack of moral humility, and the certain conviction that they themselves are justice incarnate. They thus believe that they are completely justified to exert their will to achieve their desired ends 'by any means necessary'. Such ideologues rejoiced when God was declared 'dead', as such, because now they could assume the authority of God for themselves.
    “Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men.”
    ― [Jean Rostand]

    • @wrongthinker843
      @wrongthinker843 3 години тому

      Well, communism can be called the end of history in two ways. One, for their love of rewriting it. Two, for killing so many people that none may be left to record it.

    • @wilhelmvonn9619
      @wilhelmvonn9619 2 години тому +5

      Hegel was a verbose lunatic whose torrent of ideas had no connection to reality. If anyone doubts that they should read his essay "On the Orbits of the Planets" , which is pure gibberish. God help anyone who takes him seriously.

  • @oldschool1993
    @oldschool1993 2 години тому +39

    Old Karl was a good example- His thesis was communism and the antithesis were his well to do friends and family. He cleverly synthecised them into a life of freeloading and living like a capitalist while preaching communism.

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 Годину тому

      @oldschoo1993 - Living like a capitalist while preaching communism is the one part of Marxism that his acolytes take seriously

    • @zark0g
      @zark0g Годину тому

      i thought the thesis was institutions of society , anti-thesis are the workers, the synthesis (after mass destruction, deaths, suffering) is communism. Which didnt happen , much to Marx's contempt and to Marxists dismay.. so now we have cultural marxism because the little cult members cant accept responsibility in life and MUST blame someone grown up for their perceived crappy life (which is odd cause in the Western world we have the best standard of living but Marx was a phenomenal lay about, good for nothing, scavenger of family money and then Engels had to fund him)

  • @JamesSmith-qs4hx
    @JamesSmith-qs4hx 5 годин тому +109

    "Europe will sink into eternal darkness should Germany lose this war "
    Dr Joseph Goebbels

    • @Furnace.
      @Furnace. 4 години тому +41

      "If Germany lose this war a war i never wanted there will be no going back Europe will be lost forever "
      A.H

    • @Fanfare4TheCommonMan
      @Fanfare4TheCommonMan 4 години тому +43

      "Europe's grandchildren will pay a heavy price if Germany lose this war "
      Himmler

    • @pbrninja19
      @pbrninja19 4 години тому +4

      Well, no worldly circumstances are eternal.

    • @Animal.Nitrate
      @Animal.Nitrate 4 години тому +26

      "Only when you understand the JQ can you even begin to comprehend the mess the West is in" William Pierce

    • @Animal.Nitrate
      @Animal.Nitrate 4 години тому +24

      "Listening to the dues has cost us everything " Ken O Keefe

  • @rinkydinky-ob9pe
    @rinkydinky-ob9pe 3 години тому +18

    I really enjoy your morning blog Simon, it’s far more informative and interesting than reading the newspapers or radio, thanks for all the effort you make in making this happen for us 😎

  • @NN-nd7dx
    @NN-nd7dx 3 години тому +39

    The wonderful irony of Marx's existence is the fact that it costs about £10 to visit his grave.

    • @LordSnobbington-6776
      @LordSnobbington-6776 3 години тому +1

      That does include being able to use the 🪦 of pointless scrawny gormless 'nurse' Bernadette for your lavatorial needs though 👍

    • @Raygun9000
      @Raygun9000 2 години тому

      Only a communist would pay that much! 🙃

    • @garyphisher7375
      @garyphisher7375 2 години тому +6

      In honour of his memory, they have put up a sign which reads 'No Coloureds'

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 2 години тому

      @@garyphisher7375 - his followers are usually blissfully unaware that he was full-on racist and anti-semite although they would probably approve of his antisemitism, who gets the £10?

    • @peterlangbridge4628
      @peterlangbridge4628 2 години тому +1

      ​@@garyphisher7375The " No Idiots" sign should keep you away.

  • @JamesSmith-qs4hx
    @JamesSmith-qs4hx 5 годин тому +136

    Every...Single...Time.

    • @Hafoquasic
      @Hafoquasic 5 годин тому +60

      "Whenever there is trouble and strife in a nation expect to find the dews at the heart of it " Henry Ford

    • @gurglejug627
      @gurglejug627 5 годин тому

      Complete rubbish - many new leaders / cultures have been instituted by invasion, famine, religion etc. rather than by reactionary ideologies.

    • @EuropesLastStand
      @EuropesLastStand 5 годин тому +53

      Shimon dosent want to play guess the "ethnicity " on this video for some reason.
      Shalom

    • @JamesSmith-qs4hx
      @JamesSmith-qs4hx 5 годин тому +20

      @@Hafoquasic Oiiiii Veyyyyyyyyyyyyyy🤨

    • @DIFESA_RAZZA_BIANCA
      @DIFESA_RAZZA_BIANCA 5 годин тому +33

      “I repeat my prophecy England will not only not be able to stop Marxism but its own development will inevitably follow the course of this degenerative disease" Austrian painter 1945

  • @pearlygeoff3837
    @pearlygeoff3837 5 годин тому +41

    I think we are, again, at the stage where a few heads should roll.

  • @alanknight8439
    @alanknight8439 4 години тому +68

    The marxist view of history has no explanatory power.
    It is utopian and lacks an understanding of the role of ideas or individuals in history. It seeks to redefine the motivations of historical actors and is deeply anti Enlightenment.
    Take the Crusades, it is difficult to undestand this historical event without an understanding of Christianity or Islam, both ideologies.
    A marxist simply makes sleight of hand and says it was about loot or control of the silk road or trade, and the historical actors were simply unaware of their " true " motivation. Marxist thought is fundamental to post Modernist thought, where everything has to be deconstructed.
    Marxist thought is the kind that redefines the Islamic State as the " so called" Islamic state; totally ignoring what the actual actors within this regime say or do.

    • @richardshortall5987
      @richardshortall5987 3 години тому

      that's the problem with adopting an Ideology - inevitably you are compelled to alter the observed facts to 'fit' the ideology
      The woke do this all the time - so did Communists

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 2 години тому

      Marxists believe utopia exists because they fail to understand human nature, and when you listen to most of them you understand why
      They have much in common with tech nerds and bureaucrats who believe an algorithm can determine human activity, it can't

    • @jonathanj.7344
      @jonathanj.7344 Годину тому

      You mean it has wilful blind spots, where facts contradict it's ideology?

  • @davidwhite4874
    @davidwhite4874 2 години тому +10

    "Some call it Marxism, I call it Judaism" Rabbi Stephen Wise.

  • @jornhesl4707
    @jornhesl4707 2 години тому +16

    You're giving Marx far too much credit. He was an obnoxious bloodthirsty fraud and if any of his ideas were ever reasonable then it was by accident.

  • @johnmorris6530
    @johnmorris6530 3 години тому +3

    Thanks Simon, I like your videos for the matter of fact way you deliver ideas.
    I like disagreeing and agreeing with your various views and learning things along the way.
    In this video I’m enjoying disagreeing with you. Brushing up on history in this way is very satisfying.
    As someone mentioned earlier, your sound was distracting this time.
    Thanks again.

  • @evolassunglasses4673
    @evolassunglasses4673 4 години тому +39

    Man is more than just an economic unit.

    • @BritishNaturalist-vb8hj
      @BritishNaturalist-vb8hj 4 години тому +2

      Yes & life should be about qaulity not just quantity.

    • @wjf0ne
      @wjf0ne 4 години тому +5

      @evolassunglasses4673
      Marx did advocate for people to provide their labor for no financial remuneration and had to be persuaded not to include it in his ramblings. The same man who was a stranger to labor and relied on others to provide for him, although he wasn't that good at sharing with his wife and children.

    • @frank-rv1vg
      @frank-rv1vg 4 години тому +1

      @@BritishNaturalist-vb8hj That is what benefits everyone . But then greed comes along.

    • @BrianHart-s2d
      @BrianHart-s2d 4 години тому

      Looks like the ruling class want a more economical ,endoskeletal unit for rudimentary labour and breeding with the ewes!ewe brother,what is that,ewe what is that brOtHa?!😮😢😅

    • @BritishNaturalist-vb8hj
      @BritishNaturalist-vb8hj 4 години тому

      @@frank-rv1vg Yes & that is what capitalism seems to be all about.

  • @thescarletandgrey2505
    @thescarletandgrey2505 52 хвилини тому +2

    Can’t lie, still baffled just after reading the description

  • @goldilocks913
    @goldilocks913 4 години тому +19

    Very interesting Simon thank you. I remember attempting to read the very book you mention as a teenager after my raving communist grandfather showed it me. Couldn’t fathom a word but was very interested in reading how to make a Molotov cocktail in his Socialist Worker magazine

    • @Occident.
      @Occident. 4 години тому +4

      May I ask, is your dear Grandather happy when he looks around his city centre these days?

  • @Zantorc
    @Zantorc 2 години тому +4

    In other words: Things go from one extreme to the other, before settling down to something more moderate.

  • @jontwest
    @jontwest 4 години тому +37

    No, Mar x was a bright-ish drunkard and a wker hanging around uni with other wkers. Those of us who suffered uni know very well the type. Hence, his ideas are the initially kind of interesting, but simplistic, tossed-off ones you would expect from such characters - naturally with pretentious jargon. He could have learned so much from reading George Orwell.
    For example, today there are not 'anti-r' and 'r', there are those who want to break a few million heads of our people to make a Bolshie omelette - out of a sense of venn ge an ce, ego, competition etc - and there are those of us struggling to comprehend how their claimed values match their actions.
    Mar x never understood the depths of human characters that give rise to bizarre ideas with completely different ajen daz than what it seems they have.

    • @berrowboy
      @berrowboy 2 години тому

      Why the explanation is in the Kabala.Ask Simon he knows.

    • @vurtigoneiii275
      @vurtigoneiii275 2 години тому

      Although I dislike Marx intensely, Marx lived and wrote his work a long time before George Orwell was on the scene. Orwell's observations were in reaction to Marx.

    • @berrowboy
      @berrowboy Годину тому

      @@jontwest Jewish vengeance? Maybe that why Marx said what he said about the Slavs. Today Russia V Zelenkystein same intent.

    • @berrowboy
      @berrowboy Годину тому

      @@jontwest God kicked them out of the Garden of Eden.

  • @nickconquest5527
    @nickconquest5527 3 години тому +3

    A particularly good lecture today sir

  • @user-yl1xy5eg7b
    @user-yl1xy5eg7b 2 години тому +5

    I disagree. One of the fundamental flaws in Marxism is that the revolution should have occurred first in the UK. Marx didn't understand psychology, people, and people as market forces. He stole Hegel's dialectic in the same way that another German speculative idealist (though Austrian) stole Herbart's theory of repression. The trouble with these edifices, especially the ideological ones, is that they are founded on a few underpinning concepts. Once any of these concepts are found to be flawed, so too is the body of thought. Marxism's failure to predict where the revolution would occur exemplifies this, as does the ending of 100,000,000 lives in failing make it work exemplifies this. Thus, Marxism's predictive and interpretive power is limited, and attempts to use it as a tool have ended in human misery on a hitherto unprecedented scale. Marx' final egregious fiction, that the state would wither away, once the worker's paradise became reality remains sheer fiction, with no evidence to support it.

  • @the_forbinproject2777
    @the_forbinproject2777 5 годин тому +22

    Hello Simon, the best bits of both ? surely the odds are that you'll get the worst parts of both , from what I've seen thats the norm. (edit)

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  5 годин тому +4

      Yes, in the short term that does happen sometimes!

    • @MartinGlyn-Jones
      @MartinGlyn-Jones 4 години тому +2

      @@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Unfortunately we see this in the whole Brexit business - thesis - remain in EU enjoy fee trade etc , antithesis - leave EU and get free trade deals with US & Asia, dump stiffing regulations etc synthesis - leave EU but don't get new trade deals, lose frictionless trade with EU and retain stifling regulations so as to remain 'aligned' with EU. That's what happens when Brexit is done by remainers

    • @davidwhite4874
      @davidwhite4874 2 години тому

      @@MartinGlyn-Jones The only people who benefitted from Brexit were the banks. Mr Farage's friends.

  • @bassplayer3974
    @bassplayer3974 3 години тому +6

    Its age, reliving your rebel student days

  • @donaldcarr8766
    @donaldcarr8766 4 години тому +5

    The sooner the synthesis occurs, the better.

  • @Lilym661
    @Lilym661 5 годин тому +19

    Phew, thank you for that Simon. This is a lot to take in, I will be re-listening.

  • @alangraham8926
    @alangraham8926 4 години тому +5

    I am afraid Marx is no guiding light for anyone, scrounger that he he was but that is not to say some of his "ponderings" did not have merit depending on your point of view and so the whole thing goes around. Dr. Thomas Sowell a brilliant man and confirmed Marxist in his younger years decries his doctrines whenever broached on the subject but like most cannot really provide a common solution as to how we can all cohabit amiably a position I must agree with.

  • @rogerc7960
    @rogerc7960 5 годин тому +37

    Massive debt dressed up as wealth

    • @ColinH1973
      @ColinH1973 5 годин тому +4

      Well put.

    • @theprincipalofficer_1
      @theprincipalofficer_1 5 годин тому +3

      Other people’s money that should be.

    • @andypicken7848
      @andypicken7848 4 години тому +1

      rogerc7960
      What is debt and what is wealth ?
      The world's biggest and most productive economy is also the most indebted.
      Wealth is the ability to take on debt

    • @dwwolf4636
      @dwwolf4636 3 години тому +1

      Wealth is excess production not immediately consumed for needs.

    • @davidwhite4874
      @davidwhite4874 2 години тому +1

      Which is what we have now.

  • @deantownie7441
    @deantownie7441 5 годин тому +9

    Friedrich Nietzsche was the best to use as a framework of society and philosophy.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  5 годин тому +3

      Yes, also a great favourite of mine, especially Zarathustra.

    • @evolassunglasses4673
      @evolassunglasses4673 4 години тому

      ​@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb have you ever read Evola?

    • @emissary_of_aldebaran
      @emissary_of_aldebaran 4 години тому

      The great prophet of the coming age.

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 4 години тому

      @deantownie7441 - someone who died in a lunatic asylum after conceiving a philosophical framework of society during years of syphilitic madness is obviously the one to emulate
      IMHO the world would have benefited from a few less German geniuses telling us how to think and who to murder in the not too distant past

    • @KRAMPUS1933
      @KRAMPUS1933 3 години тому

      @@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb“The Overman…who has organised the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life’s terrors, he affirms life without resentment.”

  • @JimmyTheRake
    @JimmyTheRake 4 години тому +15

    Simon, your sound quality is getting worse, making your speech rather hard to follow. In the 1960s this was easily fixed by hitting the side of the telly but in this high-tech world I am at a loss!

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  4 години тому +6

      I shall try to deal with it!

    • @lucius4556
      @lucius4556 3 години тому +2

      Or...if you tap the description and scroll down it says transcript, press that and you can read it, maybe the equivalent of hitting it on the side lol !

  • @anthonyclarke5579
    @anthonyclarke5579 4 години тому +21

    I hope I still have a pot to piss in after the budget.
    Thanks Labour.

    • @BrianHart-s2d
      @BrianHart-s2d 4 години тому +1

      Comrade ,you have been found guilty and sentenced to 12 years hard labour for the posession of a pot!do not pass go!😅

    • @shdwbnndbyyt
      @shdwbnndbyyt 4 години тому

      If I were in the UK, I would be worried about having the water to drink that one needs to be able to pee... or having the male apparatus for letting it out.... Of course if Cameltoe ends up in charge I will likely face the same issue here in the USA.

    • @a34rwl
      @a34rwl 4 години тому +1

      Yeah, I hate democracy too.

    • @FrankyRemo
      @FrankyRemo 4 години тому

      You must have just moved to the UK, Anthony. The reason your taxes will be going up stems from decades of neoliberalism and mismanagement by successive governments.

  • @davidbarnes241
    @davidbarnes241 Годину тому +1

    Oliver Cromwell was undoubtedly the greatest man ever to have trod our British soil. But, even he wasn’t perfect by any means.
    We need, desperately need a modern version of this icon. Our country is failing, our leaders corrupt, our borders seemingly open to all.
    In short we need a revolution, a strong dictatorship for a decade or two, capitalism and capital punishment, closed borders and reparations on an industrial scale for those unemployed or illegally here.

    • @ECPBigD
      @ECPBigD Годину тому

      English!

    • @davidbarnes241
      @davidbarnes241 Годину тому

      Name me a Mick, Jock or Taffy that compares? Oh wait a minute, you can’t 👍
      And, if you mean English, as Scotland, Wales and the place over the sea didn’t exist or matter back then, you’re forgiven 😱

  • @brianterence3211
    @brianterence3211 4 години тому +5

    " The state is the march of God through history" (Hegel). So put, the changes in the state
    we experience is part of a learning process.
    We seek an ideal state....if one exists ? But will heaven on earth ever exist ? I doubt it.

  • @politicas3361
    @politicas3361 2 години тому +1

    I. never thought I would live to see the day that Simon argues against race realism. Gob smacked !

  • @ianstobie
    @ianstobie 3 години тому +2

    Marx provides a good understanding of the appeal of Donald Trump in his 1852 work "The Eighteenth Brumaire Of Louis Bonaparte". This describes the rise to power in France of the nephew of the great first Napoleon, who as Napoleon III became emperor in a coup in 1851. He had wide popular support, particularly from the powerless masses unable to act in their own interests, who welcomed a champion figure initially loathed by the elite.

  • @michaellawlor5625
    @michaellawlor5625 5 годин тому +25

    I'm reading a book atm called:The Devil and Karl Marx.

  • @MJ-vj1un
    @MJ-vj1un 5 годин тому +9

    Excellent bit of education and so relevant to our current times.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  5 годин тому +3

      Thank you, I'm glad that you think so!

    • @candy-le4nh
      @candy-le4nh 4 години тому +1

      ​@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebbPrecisely where is your evidence that the suspect in the Southport murders is Muslim, Si?
      Yet more deafening silence, right?
      LOL

  • @LoftisforTreasurer
    @LoftisforTreasurer 5 годин тому +12

    I would like to see Simon Webb debate Karl Marx again.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  4 години тому +14

      I shall try and oblige!

    • @infodrop231
      @infodrop231 4 години тому +6

      @@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Thanks, that was helpful. I have dipped in and out of Marx but never heard such a succinct explanation of some of the important stuff.

  • @jdstokie
    @jdstokie 3 години тому +3

    Simon, if this helps you to understand the world then so be it. The practical application of these ideas has produced little other than economically crippled, militarized, police states, which had to struggle to keep their own people from leaving. Had it not been for the Russian Revolution I suspect we'd never have heard of KM. He certainly wasn't admired by intellectuals who knew him, especially those on the left. Bakunin predicted exactly where his ideas would lead, but in typical fashion KM dismissed this as "schoolboy piffle".

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  3 години тому +1

      I am not a communist and have seen it in practice in the Soviet Union, with awful effects!

  • @derekjinks5640
    @derekjinks5640 5 годин тому +5

    I prefer dialectical imperialism.
    I use it to judge people.
    If you think the same way I do, you're probably good people, generally speaking.

    • @offshoretomorrow3346
      @offshoretomorrow3346 3 години тому +1

      'empiricism', maybe?

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 2 години тому +1

      @@offshoretomorrow3346 - not sure, but I think he is saying he is a woke judgmental imperialist occupying the moral high ground, sounds good
      Dialectic is likely to become the new in-word

  • @goldenthunder1166
    @goldenthunder1166 4 години тому +15

    Can I now say, UA-cam: 'Karl Marx and *_all_* his writings ought to be consigned to oblivion as humanity could only benefit from this.'

    • @wrongthinker843
      @wrongthinker843 3 години тому +4

      I think it should be studied, as an ideology of unparalleled evil.

    • @goldenthunder1166
      @goldenthunder1166 2 години тому +2

      @@wrongthinker843 If I had to choose between the two, I'd definitely choose oblivionizing over studying it.

    • @wrongthinker843
      @wrongthinker843 2 години тому +1

      @@goldenthunder1166 Erasing its current iteration is no guarantee it won't re-emerge in the future.
      But studying your enemy means being prepared for them.

    • @valeriegrimshaw1365
      @valeriegrimshaw1365 2 години тому

      But then the lefties will have nothing to give their friends for presents

  • @LordSnobbington-6776
    @LordSnobbington-6776 4 години тому +3

    The pint pot philosophers march to google, to copy and paste vague ominous quotes, gathers pace 😂

    • @BarghestOne
      @BarghestOne 3 години тому +1

      @@LordSnobbington-6776 I agree with your opinion 😂

  • @saulsmitherman3755
    @saulsmitherman3755 2 години тому +1

    Thank you for the explanation, sir.

  • @michaelgolf6941
    @michaelgolf6941 5 хвилин тому +1

    I've noticed the sound on your videos has deteriorated in the last few weeks. It would be good to invest in a quality microphone. Take a look at other UA-cam channels similar to your. You will see professional quality microphones. Which aren't cheap, but are essential because what you are saying is the primary part of your videos.

  • @billwilson1225
    @billwilson1225 4 години тому +8

    6:52 "[Russians] are struggling between freedom and order. And with that struggle, a new spirit of nationalism has been born.” (Metal Gear Solid)

    • @JP-lk2qs
      @JP-lk2qs 4 години тому

      Russians or 👃

  • @whitelines3097
    @whitelines3097 33 хвилини тому +1

    I thought Duck soup was the best film closely followed by a day at the races

  • @georgesdelatour
    @georgesdelatour 3 години тому +1

    In the opening of the Communist Manifesto Marx declares that “the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles”. What’s the opposite view to that? I think it’s the view that one tribe, nation or empire conquering another from outside has been the main engine of history. Barbarians conquering the Western Roman Empire, Arabs conquering Persia and most of Byzantium, Genghis Khan conquering most of Eurasia, Cortes conquering Mexico, etc. Often these outsider-coming-in events seem more socially transformative than, say, class conflicts within late 18th century France or early 20th century Russia.

  • @bobmathews9072
    @bobmathews9072 5 годин тому +89

    "A communist system can be recognised by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalises the political opponent" - Solschenizyn

    • @babylonsburning1
      @babylonsburning1 5 годин тому

      Communism and Marx are not the same.
      Lenin and Stalin were despots like allt Russian rulers.

    • @edmundblackaddercoc8522
      @edmundblackaddercoc8522 4 години тому +8

      Sounds familiar

    • @johannabarry4672
      @johannabarry4672 4 години тому +10

      Crikey! We're really living the dream in the modern day UK. Shocking!

    • @pperrinuk
      @pperrinuk 4 години тому +3

      If we are going to have schools, this is something that should be taught there.

    • @richardshortall5987
      @richardshortall5987 3 години тому +4

      ""A communist system can be recognised by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalises the political opponent" - Solschenizyn"
      Describes present-day UK and Ireland very well

  • @voltairedentotalenkrieg5147
    @voltairedentotalenkrieg5147 5 годин тому +4

    Very strange, I've been thinking a lot that last while about hegel and the dialectic.
    A good hegelian would never push the opposite side out of a political conversation, but rather try and take the truth from the other side, point out what is false and leave it and go on united in the synthesis.
    So today we have the "Dont Be Racist" Thesis, then we have the "Race is very real" antitesis and then there would be the synthsis.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  4 години тому +2

      Yes, it is that synthesis which I am trying to find, and about which I have been talking here for the last few years!

    • @voltairedentotalenkrieg5147
      @voltairedentotalenkrieg5147 4 години тому

      ​@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb morning Simon, I promise I wrote that before I watched the full video, you said the same thing.
      Yes, we possibly need to take the dignity of the other race in account while trying to preserve our own.
      How would we feel if we were them and we could see the full truth of the situation, what would be a fair solution that could work for everyone.

    • @matthewbartsh9167
      @matthewbartsh9167 2 години тому

      Interesting. I like your point about the "thesis and antithesis leading to synthesis" idea seeming to imply not pushing the opposite side out of a political conversation. I'm guessing that communists would use this idea to gain freedom of speech for themselves, tolerance of themselves, all the while knowing (the smart ones, at least) that once they were in power, and the boot was on the other foot, they would be able to say "synthesis has been found - STFU".

  • @craigmignone2863
    @craigmignone2863 5 годин тому +2

    The idea becomes a cause that becomes movement then becomes a racket

  • @nicholasmorrill4711
    @nicholasmorrill4711 4 години тому +2

    It all just seems like some sort of interospection to me. I am getting fed up with the lack of action!

  • @michellewerries7433
    @michellewerries7433 22 хвилини тому

    I understood what you were saying in the last vid. I look at the world from largely the same ideology. Still doesn't help in the middle of the chaos. I'm tired of this sh*t.

  • @oldfartinthenight9201
    @oldfartinthenight9201 2 години тому

    Being a nerdy Engineering type, I equate this to critical damping of an oscillating system...if we ever get there!

  • @mina_loi
    @mina_loi 3 години тому

    _History and Class Consciousness_

  • @orkneyancestor2059
    @orkneyancestor2059 2 години тому

    Every communistic grouping breaks up with some members reckoning they are doing more work, and/or they are getting less favourable conditions or payments.

  • @paulyoung4422
    @paulyoung4422 4 години тому +2

    Keir Marx, is not clowning around. 👺👺👺

  • @derekwilkinson688
    @derekwilkinson688 3 години тому

    It's all gone to shit! Whoever said that is bang right!

  • @tirjera2110
    @tirjera2110 3 години тому +2

    I doubt any of these protestors on the far left, and the many who accuse others of being far right for perhaps having conservative views have ever even heard of Hegel, or understand that both fascism and communism have their roots in the same/reflection. Just imagine trying to have a conversation about it all with them.
    On a related theme , I had cause to go to a secondary school recently and noticed a poster on the wall tilted 'We are a Democracy' which went on the explain the interpretation of democracy, The supposed five key British Values of democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs. These statements all seemed very confused to me my understanding of democracy, because its not apparent to me that it necessarily embraces these values and in fact could often be hostile toward them. Are they confusing the children or is it me? An enforced state education system, what could go wrong?

  • @catsamazing338
    @catsamazing338 Годину тому +1

    Very well explained. Cheers.

  • @williamtell6750
    @williamtell6750 3 години тому +1

    Beautifully explained!

  • @the_forbinproject2777
    @the_forbinproject2777 5 годин тому +22

    yt censorship is hot today

    • @senianns9522
      @senianns9522 4 години тому

      China are jailing people in Halloween costumes! Just don't cos play in China! No partying either! Trick or treat?--forget it!

    • @a.y.t.a.s.494
      @a.y.t.a.s.494 4 години тому +3

      I wish there were achievements in this realm. I would wear my gold badge with honour

    • @JamesSmith-qs4hx
      @JamesSmith-qs4hx 3 години тому +1

      It's a Category 5 Kvetch Storm at JTube HQ

  • @DoggleBird
    @DoggleBird 5 годин тому +22

    Marx famously said: "This morning, I shot an elephant in my pyjamas. How he got into my pyjamas I'll never know".

    • @Leah-ju8ht
      @Leah-ju8ht 4 години тому +4

      ..not sure Marx Brothers were connected to Marx although all 4 were Jewish

    • @richardenders6606
      @richardenders6606 4 години тому +11

      @DoggleBird - following the Marx Brothers was a better idea than following Karl

    • @valeriegrimshaw1365
      @valeriegrimshaw1365 4 години тому +1

      I wonder if Marx was a failed Jew....

    • @andrewhotston983
      @andrewhotston983 3 години тому +1

      ​@@Leah-ju8htFancy?! All four brothers were Jewish. What were the chances of that happening?

    • @christophercleary6780
      @christophercleary6780 3 години тому +1

      @andrewhotston983 I guess she thought they weren't actual brothers, that it was just a showbiz gimmick lol

  • @petersmith5915
    @petersmith5915 2 години тому

    They learned during the peasants revolt if u went against the king, there could be no deals with him, imo.

  • @SebulReath
    @SebulReath 3 години тому +1

    The one suits all ideological based system of governance has never been found.

  • @stephannaro2113
    @stephannaro2113 2 години тому +3

    What's the synthesis of slavery and abolition?

    • @runderwo
      @runderwo Годину тому +1

      Human livestock, such as is the existence of most humans today.

    • @jonathanj.7344
      @jonathanj.7344 Годину тому

      Indentured labour.

    • @stephannaro2113
      @stephannaro2113 55 хвилин тому

      @@runderwo You mean communism? That seems to have followed its own tack, though?

    • @stephannaro2113
      @stephannaro2113 53 хвилини тому

      @@jonathanj.7344 That actually probably is a good answer. Does it still exist, though?

  • @MrMjp58
    @MrMjp58 4 години тому +2

    Very informative and helps to explain why most of the population is now split, almost 50/50, on nearly every issue.
    One of your best Simon, but please get a clearer microphone/audio sound, if possible.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 3 години тому +1

      Not 50/50 on 👽 migration ok.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  3 години тому +1

      Yes, I do need to fix the microphone!

    • @GreggFellows
      @GreggFellows 3 години тому

      @@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb get a spring mounted mic and a fluffy jumper to look like an old school DJ

    • @LordSnobbington-6776
      @LordSnobbington-6776 3 години тому +1

      @@GreggFellows The race for TGF-C to get more pieces of silver from Hate The Truth gathers pace 🤣

  • @BertWald-wp9pz
    @BertWald-wp9pz 49 хвилин тому

    In my opinion this is one of the best pieces by you I have watched. Like you I have a respect for Marx. Reading his works I find myself agreeing with much and even wondering whether, had he been granted another 100 years of life, whether his clearly changing thinking might have ended up with very different conclusions. It is as if many of the correct ideas went in but the wrong conclusion was jumped to. Marxists, on the other hand I have much less time for as they want it all be be true and have some sort of self congratulatory pat on their backs for being so clever. What I really disagree with is the idea of coming to conclusions about the dialectical process. Surely the whole point is that there is no final position we can anticipate in advance.
    What I think was almost realised by Marx was the concept of emergence which already had manifested in Darwin and Wallace’s work. This is not social Darwinism which misunderstood the ideas or even economic Darwinism. It is just that we do not fully appreciate the utility of a state of affairs until it exists and even then it depends on the current context or environment it encounters or sits within.

  • @goldenthunder1166
    @goldenthunder1166 Годину тому

    This is purely 'You can't beat leather', albeit Marxism rather than leather.

  • @TJspaceman
    @TJspaceman 2 години тому +2

    Simon is very, very inconsistent, to the point where it is clear he doesn't know what he believes.
    He claims to have a Marxist view of history, that it is defined by a class struggle. But then in another video talks about a collective struggle, free of class, against the evils of immigration and globalisation.
    Admittedly, he sometimes slips in that the struggle against globalisation is a class one, but most of the time he doesn't distinguish.
    He talks about British culture being undermined by immigration, then the examples he gives are decidedly middle class.
    He can't even work out which side of the class struggle he's on, let alone whether he believes in Marx.
    It's almost like he makes it up as he goes along.

  • @VTLille
    @VTLille 4 години тому +2

    Maybe you could address Karl Popper’s criticism of Marx and the problem of historicism inherent in his dialectical materialism.

  • @tonynoonan3723
    @tonynoonan3723 3 години тому +1

    Who funded Cromwell and what did they get in return in 1694 ???

    • @Occident.
      @Occident. Годину тому

      The Bank of "England" ?

  • @RichardTheFourth32
    @RichardTheFourth32 4 години тому +15

    It's understandable to read Marx in this way on the materialistic plane, yet the flaw, at least in my eyes, is that man is not merely material and reading history in this way renders the spiritual, temperamental and genetic dimensions of man obsolete.
    This is what has happened in the modern West, liberalism (& post-Marxist academia) has become the cornerstone, and now the only reason a class, a gender, or a given 'ethnic minority' are 'oppressed' is because of material power relations, when there is clearly more at play. If we continue with the ideas of 20th C Marxism, we'll be sure to make the same mistakes.

    • @cupra2Jock.
      @cupra2Jock. 4 години тому +2

      Those who forget the past are deemed to create, that same future.

    • @evolassunglasses4673
      @evolassunglasses4673 4 години тому

      Both Capitalism and Marxism reduces us to economic units.

    • @keithalderson100
      @keithalderson100 4 години тому

      There is also that issue which all seem to face; the intention even desire to change, but failing the discipline, knowledge or opportunity to do so.

  • @vermeerofdelftscotlandwalk3294
    @vermeerofdelftscotlandwalk3294 4 години тому

    You sound like an interlectural Guv! I agree that trends and fashions of thought over decades can swing from one extreme to another.

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  4 години тому +3

      I do not believe that even my closest friends would describe be as an intellectual!

  • @courtilz1012
    @courtilz1012 3 години тому

    Iirc Marx was saying that ideas are purely produced by economic circumstances (social would be reducible to economics). Hegel thought everything was made of spirit or Idea, there is no separate realm in his thinking. As far as I can see Simon seems to be talking about Hegelian dialectic more, not that everything is reducible to class struggle about economic matters.

  • @jasonbourne7499
    @jasonbourne7499 5 годин тому +24

    Don't complain about The Budget if you voted Labour

    • @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb
      @HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb  5 годин тому +18

      I really did not vote Labour!

    • @stephenbermingham6554
      @stephenbermingham6554 5 годин тому +3

      ​@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebblol

    • @babylonsburning1
      @babylonsburning1 5 годин тому +4

      I'm looking forward to the budget.
      I didn't vote Labour, but I'm hoping the rich get a kicking.
      When those on 150k moan about not making ends meet, then you know the worlds gone insane.

    • @andypicken7848
      @andypicken7848 4 години тому +1

      jasonbourne7499
      If just bought a new coat

    • @valeriegrimshaw1365
      @valeriegrimshaw1365 4 години тому +3

      Because of the well off having bloody home extensions and crap we can't get basic building maintenance done....I'm sick of it. AND most of these projects are carbuncles on lovely Edwardian artisan cottages etc sick

  • @mauricemuir7462
    @mauricemuir7462 Годину тому

    Simon seeing the world through Gammon coloured Spectacles.👺

  • @bh_486
    @bh_486 4 години тому +2

    The more important question is - how do we understand ourselves?

  • @ALLAHSARSE
    @ALLAHSARSE 3 години тому +1

    Thanks

  • @skulptor
    @skulptor 5 годин тому +1

    Dialectic..things will come out as you want eventually.

  • @pperrinuk
    @pperrinuk 4 години тому

    It may be a useful tool for analysing the past - but if a group tries to use it crudely to shape the future they are likely to become the future antithesis, and not the synthesis.
    However among the 'awake' it's already considered standard practice of the elite to create an antitheses that will deliver the synthesis they wanted all along. A process described in the book 'The Shock Doctrine' which also describes how the process is hugely accelerated.
    The UK had high immigration already - now it is virtually unlimited, the thesis and antithesis are both high immigration.
    Promoters of these causes are begging the creation of an antitheses that demands the opposite - repatriation, this is the only antithesis that may lead to a synthesis of controlled immigration.

  • @dragonofhatefulretribution9041
    @dragonofhatefulretribution9041 37 хвилин тому

    Watch “Europa The Last Battle”, read “Caesar’s Messiah” & read “Not In His Image”.
    Everyberg…Singlestein…Timeowicz…

  • @LS-xs7sg
    @LS-xs7sg 4 години тому

    I agree there is something to the dialectical theories Marx and Hegel proposed but it is striking how it applies best to the modern west. Places like China and Japan seemed to remain relatively static in terms of rulership for hundreds of years. Is the flux we see in the west the result of increased material production? If so it is interesting that Japan has remained relatively static (almost a one party state) despite capitalistic success. China has also maintained its autocratic regime despite success in material production (time will tell here). It strikes me the ups and downs of modern European history might be rooted more in the outplaying of Christian attitudes than material wealth

  • @bernardedwards8461
    @bernardedwards8461 26 хвилин тому

    Marx had no knowledge of the world beyond the mid-19th century and was unable to imagine the vast changes to the conditions of the working class which would take place in the following hundred years. He was therefore addressing the oppressive conditions that the workers of the mid 19th century had to endure. His friend and supporter Freidrich Engels was an enlightened mill owner who treated his employees generously by the standards of the time. Marx's reputation suffers from the notoriety of Josef Stalin, a man he had never heard of and who was still a toddler living thousands of miles away when Marx died. As Stalin used the writings of Marx to control the masses, Stalinism is unjustly associatedd with Marxism in the minds of many people.

  • @johngreen6191
    @johngreen6191 4 години тому +4

    I am more interested in preserving and conserving my own status that have have clawed together. One last hurrah in the US and down we all go. Down the toilet.

    • @matthewbartsh9167
      @matthewbartsh9167 2 години тому

      Yes. It seems we are screwed. The leftists and some of the conservatives seem to think Trump getting elected to a second term will stop the rise and rise of wokeness. I don't think it will. We saw during his first term that he was unable to slow down, let alone reverse the rise of wokeness.

  • @patrickshaw8595
    @patrickshaw8595 36 хвилин тому +1

    YOU ARE THE TOOL if you think that.

  • @SoMuchFacepalm
    @SoMuchFacepalm 3 години тому

    There's are problems with this idea. It can't tell us why people will sometimes choose the _worst_ parts of two systems to create the replacement. Sometimes the synthesis of one cycle is just the antithesis of the previous cycle.

  • @GreggFellows
    @GreggFellows 3 години тому +1

    sounds very similar to a discussion you had with a bloke on youtube a while back, can't remember who it was, Joe Blow or Ed Dutton maybe

    • @LordSnobbington-6776
      @LordSnobbington-6776 3 години тому

      ⁠ The race for TGF-C to get more pieces of silver from Hate The Truth gathers pace 🤣

    • @simondjangothe4349
      @simondjangothe4349 2 години тому

      never heard of Joe Blow, is he any good?
      I’m still interested in what other UA-cam creators/channels you watch/follow/subscribe that you would recommend to me.
      Why won’t you tell me?

    • @GreggFellows
      @GreggFellows 2 години тому

      @@simondjangothe4349 mostly guitar channels mate

  • @georgebailey98
    @georgebailey98 5 годин тому +5

    I do agree with some of the Marxist view of history, especially when it comes to the Freedonia vs Sylvania conflict. The cigar and moustache are brilliant too.

    • @ColinH1973
      @ColinH1973 5 годин тому

      Get outta here!! 😊

    • @botulf4908
      @botulf4908 4 години тому +1

      Out of all the Marx Brothers, Karl was the funniest.

    • @johnnyonenote376
      @johnnyonenote376 3 години тому +1

      @@botulf4908 Get me a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy...that was Karl wasn't it ?

  • @paulie-Gualtieri.
    @paulie-Gualtieri. 5 годин тому +9

    Simon, did you notice the new portrait on the wall of Chancellor Rachel Reeves office?

    • @jerribee1
      @jerribee1 5 годин тому

      Whose portrait is it?

    • @musiqueetmontagne
      @musiqueetmontagne 5 годин тому +1

      Exactly, one of the founders of the British Communist Party...Says it all. Now the dimmer sections of our society have been conned into voting for them, they showing who they really are... Unreal...

    • @paulie-Gualtieri.
      @paulie-Gualtieri. 5 годин тому +1

      ​@@jerribee1
      Female founding member of the Communist Party of Great Britain

    • @paulie-Gualtieri.
      @paulie-Gualtieri. 5 годин тому +2

      ​@@jerribee1
      UA-cam pulled my reply to you

    • @stephenbermingham6554
      @stephenbermingham6554 5 годин тому +5

      ​@@jerribee1Ellen Wilkinson I believe.
      A communist, a hardcore communist at that.

  • @JonathanRedden-wh6un
    @JonathanRedden-wh6un 4 години тому +1

    The American war of independence is sometimes regarded as a continuation of the English Civil War. The synthesis here was the US Republic!

    • @Occident.
      @Occident. 4 години тому

      Yes they were fighting a Tyrannical British Government. Hence why no one in the USA till this day, calls them selves a "British American". It's either "Irish American" or "Scots American" etc etc.

  • @ColmCaren
    @ColmCaren 4 години тому

    I should have mentioned in a previous comment that Republic and royalists were not aware at the time of the effect of the previous that's the black death and the reevaluing of the individual peasant. This and many hidden pressures forced an undesirable (for the vast majority) outcome. Dialectic thought is the cause of war( nastiest when intomate/civil) For example , the industrial revolution was a complete break with the its dialectic past. As was agriculture, bronze, aircraft,microchips etc! Dialectic arguments are a "land grab" of the envious against genious. Note Marx complete blind spot when using the term" Means of production" of which he had no clue. Also this leads most us but Marxists in particular to magic thinking utopias." Means of production" is anything but dialectic.

  • @PeterGrugel
    @PeterGrugel 4 години тому

    This could and will be construed as a rather large bowl of word salad when the subject is forensically looked at, to a layperson it means compromise will be found.

  • @olwens1368
    @olwens1368 4 години тому +1

    You may find that many of the people you are 'replying' to with this interesting piece won't actually understand more than one word in four- not because your talk is unclear, but because they are not used to having to concentrate and understand anything that is not communicable in under a dozen words.

  • @Cycle.every.day.
    @Cycle.every.day. 4 години тому +5

    Thing is , we reached a nice sweet spot in the 2000s , we've went backwards into clownworld since 2012 ish

  • @KRAMPUS1933
    @KRAMPUS1933 3 години тому +2

    "The majority of men... are not capable of thinking, but only of believing, and... are not accessible to reason, but only to authority" Arthur Schopenhauer.

  • @BillSikes.
    @BillSikes. 4 години тому +5

    This day in 1066 by the true calender England fell to the Roman Church, we've never recovered ☦️

    • @Occident.
      @Occident. 4 години тому +2

      We were Catholics in the 5th Century, 5 centuries before the Norman invasion.

    • @offshoretomorrow3346
      @offshoretomorrow3346 3 години тому

      Farkin ell. Talk about harking back to the good old days?

    • @BillSikes.
      @BillSikes. 2 години тому

      @@Occident.
      We were Orthodox until Pope Alexander II sent William of Normandy to conquer, and convert us to the Roman Church, we remained under the Papal jackboot right up until Henry VIII kicked it out and replaced it with his own heresy, the True Church of the English is the Orthodox Church, and the last True King of England and Defender of the Faith was Saint Harold the Martyr ☦️

    • @Occident.
      @Occident. Годину тому

      ​@@BillSikes.Didn't the Orhodox church start in 9th Century Russia?

    • @BillSikes.
      @BillSikes. 40 хвилин тому

      @@Occident.
      No, it was the first Church and began during Christs ministry,
      the Desert Fathers promulgated it after the Crucifixion, Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius took it to Russia, Saint Augustine of Canterbury brought it to England at around 580, all of Christendom was Orthodox and unchanged until the Great Schism in 1054, here began the period of Papal supremacy where every single Kingdom throughout Western Europe came under the control of the Pope, England fell in 1066, the rest is history

  • @martinmartin1363
    @martinmartin1363 4 години тому +2

    Marx looked to Hegel and st Thomas Moore and his book on the perfect community Utopia most people thought it was an actual island 😆Marx saw it as a reality

  • @craphead9842
    @craphead9842 3 години тому

    Fact not fiction..in conclusion taking advice from this person would leave you broke and poor..
    Karl Marx, the influential philosopher and economist, died on March 14, 1883. At the time of his death, he left behind a modest estate valued at approximately £250. When adjusted for inflation to today’s currency, this amount is equivalent to about £23,000. This relatively small sum reflects the financial struggles that Marx faced throughout his life despite his significant intellectual contributions.
    Marx’s financial situation was characterized by poverty and instability. He often relied on the support of his friend Friedrich Engels, who provided him with financial assistance during difficult times. The modest inheritance left to his youngest daughter Eleanor indicates that Marx did not accumulate wealth during his lifetime, which aligns with his critiques of capitalism and class struggle... Tony cuenca

  • @jjfisher07
    @jjfisher07 49 хвилин тому

    Mussoluni was a socialist before he was a fascist so yes it's possible to subscribe to Marxist ideas and also be right wing. As to the dialectical materialism resolving the thesis and antithesis of racism and anti racism, it seems clear that during the French revolution such ideas were also popular, but once the madness passed more traditional ideas came back with Napoleon. To believe Marx you need to somehow believe that history is teleological, rather than cyclical. Marx after all borrowed from Hegel the notion that world history had a telos.

  • @dobermankompanie
    @dobermankompanie 4 години тому +4

    The life of Marx. Lived in absolute filth. Stunk to the high heaven. Lefties eh. Synchronisation 😊. 😂We reject Marx that's fir materialists

  • @rekuku-x8k
    @rekuku-x8k 5 годин тому +23

    Karl Marx was a man with little work experience, but thanks to his wealthy wife, he had no trouble making a living. And he profited from the shares he owned.

    • @BillSikes.
      @BillSikes. 4 години тому +2

      He was also funded by his sidekick Fredrik Engels

    • @MrSmith-uk8hq
      @MrSmith-uk8hq 4 години тому

      The epitomy of parasite.

    • @CosmosArchipelago
      @CosmosArchipelago 4 години тому

      @@BillSikes. OY VEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. SHUT IT DOWN

    • @brianfurlong7982
      @brianfurlong7982 4 години тому +1

      What are you talking about? You seem to be confusing him with the Marx Brothers.

    • @offshoretomorrow3346
      @offshoretomorrow3346 3 години тому

      Lived off his wealthy father.
      Got very angry with the world when the money ran out.

  • @DavePocklington
    @DavePocklington 2 години тому

    Yes, you are correct in the assumption that the less I hear about Marx, the better. I am not a fan.

  • @mikeportjogger1
    @mikeportjogger1 Годину тому

    Does the ideology really matter? Basically, whatever the ideology, there are two classes in human society, those with power and the rest. Those with power feel themselves entitled to all the good things and the rest have to make do with whatever share of what's left over they can garner for themselves.

  • @alanbrookes275
    @alanbrookes275 2 години тому

    The problem with Marx is that he is very difficult to fully understand, but very easy to derive simplistic nostrums from ,,hence the multiple types brands and wars between those who call themselves the true followers of Marx. Just as there are many types of Fascism there are many types of Marxism.