In 99 a man came in the er (I worked security their at the time) His "friend" acted like he was broke down. He stopped to help and when he turned his back his "friend" shot him in the head got in the car and drove off. 22 had to have been a pistol did not enter his skull. He walked out of the ER 2 or 3 hours later and got in the front seat of the police car. He wanted to see the look on his " friends " face when they arrested him. The police were nice enough to let him ride along for the arrest.
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten I would not have believed it either if I had not seen the man get in the front seat of the police car and another officer told me they were on the way to the suspects house because the dude wanted to see him get arrested and see the look on his face when he saw he was alive.
After 24 years in law enforcement I've seen dozens and dozens of head wounds from everything from a 22 lr to large caliber rifles and shotguns. The 22lrs in my experienced have not exited and been deadly. I've seen 357 head wounds that exited and the victim survived. What makes the 22 so deadly is it's small entrance hole. You have to understand that the brain can survive really nasty wounds unless you hit the brain stem. What kills you is pressure that builds up inside the skull. A 22 wound quickly clogs and pressure can't escape, A 357 leaves a much bigger hole allowing pressure to escape. My last 16 years I was a University cop at a medical trauma center in a nice gang ridden urban environment. We would sometimes be overflowing with gunshot victims not to mention the odd suicide attempts. I saw more then one case where a person would put a pistol to their temple and the round normally a 9mm or 38 would zip right through come out their other temple and they survive, however this would blind them because they would cut both optic nerves. I spent many hours in the trauma room collecting evidence and crime photos and saw some really strange things. Once a victim shot with a shotgun in the back of the head and he wouldn't die. The shot hit just above the brain stem and spread out to the front of the skull. they had to keep working on him because he was still breathing on his own and had a heart beat. I got bored and checked out his x-ray and started counting pellets in his brain cavity, I got up to 340 when they decided to send him up to ICU, he passed a couple of hours later. Another time they called a gunshot to the head and the doctors and nurses left. The body was still in the trauma room and the housekeepers went in to clean. After a trauma blood is everywhere and they need to get it ready for the next trauma. A few minutes went by and I heard screaming coming from the trauma room and the doors flew open and the cleaners ran down the hall. The trauma team had to be recalled and start all over. no he didn't make it what happened is the pressure inside the skull blew out the blood clot and all the heart meds kicked in, the house keepers heard a moan then the guy set up. The worst were people that tried to kill themselves by putting a rifle or shotgun under their chin. This would often result in blowing off their face and they survived thankfully this normally blinded them so they would never have to see what they had done.
Remember as a kid, there was guy in the small town I grew up in. This guy put a gun in his mouth, pulled the trigger, the bullet went up, angled and exited. Came out about the Eyebrow.. he had a glass eye covered with a pirate patch, his taste was off. But he could talk, walk, everything. Been a while since I thought of seeing him. His left side was a lil off, like his cheek bone, he did some damage.. He was such a nice guy, very helpful. wish now I remembered but I dont recall his name. Dont know whatever happened to him.. my late grandparents knew him.
Wow. I'm just getting into firearms at 63 -- all I want to do is target practice (and learn as much about them as possible too I suppose...🤔) Your paragraph makes me think you could expand it into a book, and it would still be interesting and useful.
Your experiences should be in "stopping power" videos. I studied the "one shot stop" statistics, and learned the difference between a shooting where the criminal stops their attack, with or without a shot....As opposed to shot(s) that do not stop them, but they die later. "We do not shoot to kill, we shoot to stop".
I was shot two times point blank range by a .22LR copper jacketed bullet in the left chest & abdomen. In short, the bullet that entered my chest did ricochet throughout my body. The bullet was shot from a downward angle, as such it passed through & through (2 holes in the following) my left lung, stomach, spleen & pancreas eventually hitting bone, ricocheted upward next to my spine where it lay to this day…and has truly impacted my life. Trust me when I say, the .22 does “ping pong” throughout the body. I was shot by an active shooter when I was 19 just home from the US Navy, Gulf War I. I am now 48 and still dealing with not only the bullet but the frags it left throughout my body as well as all the scar tissue formed throughout all those organs. Ps: Don’t get shot! It’s a very unpleasant experience. Yes, even a .22 LR…I was shot much closer then in this test but still…it really has changed my life. Which I’m lucky to have. I thank you for this video. See how it does in the chest? On a downward trajectory using a handgun in .22 LR…I almost guarantee that you’ll see that cavitation & ricochet effect I survived. By the grace of God. Be well all. And take care.
That's crazy. Respect to you, but I wondered. Wouldn't any bullet from the same angle fuck you up real bad? Would it have been a benifit if it went all the way through? Or is it mainly the richochet that made everything unnecessarily worse?
I have heard of this theory at many gun shows but I have always been told it was done with a 22 short with a revolver that has 1 or 2 inch barrel shot at point blank to the temple
As a boy growing up in ranching country out west I've seen a lot of animals killed by the 22LR. Cattle, hogs, varmints , etc. 22 LR has probably killed more 4 and 2 legged animals than any other.
Ite not as thick but it’s technically “bonded”. They did make jacketed .22 for military use so it is out there. More importantly it’s possible but not cost effective I would guess.
@@maxpelle there’s only 1 copper .22 LR I’m aware of. And it’s not gonna penetrate well. It’s going 1,800-2,000 fps with 20 grain frangible bullets. And FYI they have made true jacketed .22 LR bullets in the past.
@@danielcurtis1434 I'm talking about the .22lr monolithic all copper made by Cutting-edge model Crux 32 grains .. they also make 42 and 52 .. you can find them on the cutting edge website
Former XVIII Airborne Spcl Warfare "Skydragon" here. Decades ago at Ft. Bragg, during a live fire exercise, a soldier's M-16 failed to fire so he jammed the rifle butt on the ground and shot himself in the head when it went off. The .223/5.6 NATO mil round entered but did not exit the skull. However it fractured the structure into so many pieces, that when we rolled him over, his face 'flowed' like a plastic bag full of jelly. Was still his face, but liquified...eeriest thing I ever saw.
It's supposed to be with a pistol. An 'assassin' for the mob gave rise to this theory. He stated that shooting someone in the back of the head with a .22 LR pistol, specifically a revolver, caused the pinball effect.
So a low caliber bullet in a short barrel of any kind will cause the bullet to rattle around in he brain case scrambling your noggin where as a bullet can pass through some “irrelevant” gray matter leaving you still walkin and talkin. You might have a new lazy eye and a stutter but your p much fine
Well he was specifically wrong, that mob guy was. Most people know that after breaking through the skull a .22lr will have nothing left and just stop if it even hits the back of the skull. A .22lr pistol would have even less velocity and probably wouldn't even reach the other side of the skull.
I'd heard it was 22 short or subsonic lr, through a silenced pistol. Allegedly as used by Mossad. ...Addendum. Oh, and it was also alleged to be a close contact discharge .
I was shot with a 22 cal in the chest it went through a rib bone missing my heart by approximately 1" then into my lung and lodged close to my shoulder blade. I didn't even feel it. I only became aware of it because I felt the blood running down my chest. So I proceeded to the hospital after about 20 minutes after I was shot . The pain was excruciating every muscle in my upper torso felt tensed up tightly and i could no longer speak i just made hand gestures to my chest. But the worst was yet to come the dreaded chest tube insertion to siphon the blood from my lung that was slowly drowning me . They force, not cut a hole into my lung with a dull plastic tip about the diameter of 3/8". That wasn't enough pain so 5yrs later while in the army the army doctors butchered the muscles around my shoulder blade that now has so much scar tissue that I'm in constant pain . The VA provided all the hydrocodone I could eat for many yrs. I ate them like candy till they decided that there was an opioid epidemic , then cold turkey cut me off . And left me to withdraw on my own . But fk em I did it and I was surprised to realize just how fkd up i really was on a daily basis from this painkiller . I wish I could have at least 2 a day to help deal with the pain, sometimes the constant pain will bring tears to your eye's and trust me I'm not a crybaby. So if you get shot it might serve you better if it is a large powerful caliber that just go's ahead and puts you out of your misery. It's been over 40 yrs of everyday and night of meditation to attempt to ease the pain of that little 22 mfkr .
I was out pheasant hunting with my dad....I was 15 yrs old........ I climbed over a fence and mistakenly pointed the shot gun " towards " him. He hit me so hard up aside the head he dropped me ! I learned quick........ " never " point the gun towards anyone unless you mean to kill it ! Even today...... young folks go to hunter safety classes..........they are allowed to handle guns.......and they do...............pointing them at anything and everything including people whom are present there. Nothing is done about it. They claim the guns are safe and unloaded ! Point being.............never point a gun at anyone ! Even if its dismantled !
Man I've been here since your channel was in the 4 digit range of subscribers. I'm so happy to see you approaching 200k. Good work man. And thank you for the entertainment I've never missed a video and God willing never will.
@@billystink4611 I agree. You could just tell he was going to end up with a big channel. His energy and content when he was a small channel was very impressive.
I really like how you get to the point and you don't spend half an hour talking like other channels But if you were to make longer videos I would certainly watch them because youre entertaining, your videos are all interesting
A .22 LR killed my best friend Gary July 3rd 1976. The day before the bicentennial. Fireworks were going off everywhere. We were walking down the sidewalk and he went down. I never even heard the shot. I remember laughing because I thought he just fell. When I looked at him he had a hole just below his neck in the front. I was only 16 at the time but knew immediately he was in big trouble. I'll never forget the look on his face man! The bullet went right through him, ripping a hole through his aorta. and was actually stopped by his shirt in the back. He was dead in 3 minutes. Never caught who did it and never knew why. But I know this.....a .22 LR can kill you. In a heartbeat.
With bullets you never know. We had a case of one guy get 3-4 .22 in the back of the head and one curved and made him a vegetable - he died years later. One woman was shot 4 times with 9x18 mak one bullet hit her in the head - she is alive and well living a normal life. Guess it's luck and how phisics deals you a card that day for headshots 🤔
True. My great uncle took a .45 FMJ to the back of the head and survived. It only went about halfway through, and left him with a dent in his skull. He kept the mushroomed bullet on his TV stand.
My dad said one of the EMT calls he responded to was a guy who shot himself multiple times in the head with a 22 (I'm assuming shorts) and none of them penetrated. I never knew that man but apparently he made a comment about how he can never do anything right.... I can't help but admire his determination though.....
I was (among other duties) the coroner in Barrow and Homer, AK. It was a judicial position, I sent bodies to a forensic pathologist for autopsy. I had two suicide case where they used a .22LR pistol. The pathologist report was : entrance wound, no exit wound, evidence of the bullet bouncing around inside the skull, death was instantaneous.
Mason Johns What laws of physics are violated. As for BS aI was District Court Magistrate, Standing Master in the Superior Court and Coroner from 1987 to 1989.
@@monteengel461Sir Issac Newton said "an object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by a greater force" Once the bullet Hits the back of the skull it will come to a stop because there is not new form of energy to propel the bullet to the other side of the skull, because the motion of the bullet was acted upon by a greater force (the back of the skull) it will stay at rest because there's nothing from that point forward to propel the bullet. It's not like a human skull is made of some super bouncy spring material either. It's hard and brittle
Mason Johns I didn’t say the back of the skull. My cases were point blank at the temple. You misunderstand Newton’s laws of motion. The .22LR bullet punches through the skull bone (of course loosing some energy to do so), then through the brain (loosing a bit more energy), then the other side of the skull and bounces. Yes at some point the bullet runs out of kinetic energy and stops.
@@monteengel461 when you throw something at a wall does it's bounce off and fall to the ground or does it keep bouncing back and forth two buildings until it loses its energy? After it comes to it's first stop it's unable to move from that point until acted upon by a greater force....... This was shown in the video 🤦🏻♂️
Back in 1970 when I was 18 I worked at a very small grocery store, the manager and I were checking in the cash for the day, in came 3 robbers. One of the guys had a gun, probably a 2-1/2" barrel .22 cal, he shot the manager in the throat area from around 6 feet away. The bullet "bounced around" according to him and ricocheted in his insides and although he did live, he had to be REALLY opened up to sew up the damage. So, with that said, according to what he supposedly said, (I never saw him again after that night) a lead bullet from a short-barreled revolver did a lot of bouncing around. I believe that. He was in the hospital for a long time is all I really know. What it more than likely comes down to is that IF that bullet hits something 'just right' it can do what you and I thought, ricochet.
I remember an incident that happened in my area some years ago where a SC State trooper had a shootout with a suspect after a traffic stop. At some point (not exactly sure how it happened), the trooper had fallen to the ground while retreating during the fire fight. He had to draw his backup, which was a 2in 357 revolver. The suspect had run up to the trooper, firing a 22lr pistol downward at him while he was on the ground. The trooper hit the suspect with 4 rounds of 357 & the suspect only hit the trooper with 1 clean shot from the 22. Surprisingly, the suspect lived through his injuries. The trooper was not as fortunate. They said that the 22 entered through the armpit of the trooper bc he was holding his arm up & in front of his face in a defense manor. I remember how one of the reports claimed that the 22 round didn't follow the angle of which it was fired, (assuming it should have penetrated in a straight line or something) but instead, it took somewhat of an "erratic" path after entering through the underarm of the trooper. They tried to say that it behaved similar to a ricochet after hitting bone somewhere, deviating at an immediate downward angle & piercing his heart... which unfortunately resulted in his death on the spot. (I think they said the trooper was even wearing his vest as well.) I'm not sure how accurate the reporting of the incident was but I think it's safe to say that even if rare, there's gotta be some validity to the theory. Too many ppl have too many stories about similar things happening, would be arrogant to dismiss it entirely. I'm sure if conditions were favorable or "just right" then It'd be possible. And with 22 lead being so soft & deforming so easily, I could totally believe that it might make some "erratic" wound tracks at least.
@@BatCaveOz Hey BatCave! I purposely didn't tell MY full story because it wasn't needed to relay what I was trying to point out, but, maybe I was wrong... You want to hear it, yes, no? How's this for a unique talent? I remember a LOT of things from my past because it was burnt into my brain... If you read closer, I did say, "probably", it was a Saturday Night Special, it was "probably" a Saturday Night Special. Make sense? My point was a VERY SMALL barrel... Yes, I was able to identify it pretty close since after he (the short robber) asked for "Long Cools" and I turned back to hand them to him he had leaned way across that counter pointing that Saturday Night Special gun directly in front of my nose. I saw it REALLY close up! That is when he suddenly, for no apparent reason shot the manager in the throat, two other really tall guys rushed in and they all started in on me, they all put on women's hose on the faces, I mean, I saw them all already, so that didn't do much good.. I was also pistol-whipped with that same gun, many times, yelling at me, kicking me, hit in the face with their fists too, and when I wasn't being pistol whipped it was held against my head when they had me laying on the floor trying to open the floor safe, which was only a non-operating combination safe that also had a key. Meaning, that key, which had a really bright hot pink piece of yarn tied to it. I remember that too, but even though I still couldn't open the safe, it was just stuck, plus, I never used that safe, that was for the managers. The manager was laid on the floor bleeding like a stuck pig while this was going on, two of the guys dragged him back into the storeroom leaving a really long trail of blood. I remember that too. Since I couldn't get that safe open I am SURE that I was about to be shot, well, I was even told I was, I had a few seconds left and I had zero doubt that it they weren't lying, they didn't care or have anything else to lose since I am pretty sure they assumed that the short one just killed someone. They had a count-down going on and I think it was actually down to about 3 when they stopped it because they were interrupted. The guy that lived above the store and his 16 year old male cousin walked in, the robbers pointed the gun at them instead of me. They made them lay on the floor next to me, they stole our wallets, our watches and even the change that we had in our pockets. I was saving up for a car, that was taken. (I didn't have a bank then) As we laid there after they stole that stuff off of us, we were told to face away from them and we were sure they were going to kill us. Every time that one of them talked to me, I instinctively turned my head to face them, well, I got pistol whipped each time I did that. I was only 18, what did I know? It just got quite, I assumed that they were still in the store stealing things, it was quite for what seemed like a long time, I looked around, I didn't see anything, I told the two guys next to me they were probably gone, and they didn't move or say a word, I told them again, still no nothing, then I shook the one next to me and he looked up and we slowly got up and peered over the counter top. We all walked slowly and quietly to the back storeroom and saw the manager laying there on the floor gasping for air. The back door was open, so the robbers left through that way. The guy (about 30 years old?) that lived upstairs turned out he was a Viet Nam vet and had been a Medic. (I wasn't aware of that and I knew him) He turned the manager over onto his chest and started pounding on his back, that allowed the manager to breathe again. I was on the pay phone, it was a dime at that time, I didn't have any money, neither did they, we were robbed, remember? Somehow the kid, well, he was 2 years younger then me, found a dime and gave it to me.
This ENTIRE ordeal I was as calm as can be, I was really very concerned, but I was calm, but when I called the operator which is what you had to do back then to call the police, she asked me the address, I had no idea what it was, I told her it was on the corner of Washington and Race Street, that was all I knew. I don't remember if there were numbers out on the front of the building or not, but my point is, I started getting really shaky because I got a giant rush of adrenaline when what had happened finally hit me. The next morning I found my wallet about 100 feet from my house, I say house, this was the projects. They walked right past my backdoor, they did have my wallet, so... Who knows? When you lived where I lived, and went through ALL the times that I have had a knife to my throat, guns pointed at me, robbed, and being stabbed, gang fights, you probably wouldn't believe that either, but I made it. (I was not in a gang, but other gangs didn't care) I have scars all over my left-hand side, my arms, my side, and my hands. I went through PURE D hell from the age of 13 to 18 there, although I lived there for 12 years. One night I was walking from that same store back to my house with 4 friends all my age, I saw a guy that owed me $100. for a car, (I was 16) that he kind of stole from me, hence me walking up to him and asking him if he had any of my money. This guy was about 30 and was with around 7 of his friends talking, he became unglued, he said, "Don't dun me, man, don't dun me!", I had no idea what that meant, but he kicked me in the face and then my nuts really quick, he was reaching into his pocket for his knife and his mother yelled out, "Jackie!", so he didn't. I had no idea but the guys with me saw all of this too. I was too busy. The next day I saw Jackie and he told me that he was about to stab me, so, that's from the horse's mouth, I guess. (I had asked him to help me buy a car, he did, it was in his name, stupid me, but I thought I knew and trusted him, oops! So, while he was with his puck friends he took my car one night while I was under major duress. I saved up $120. for the car, the car actually cost $85.00 and he took the rest, I found out later. I admit I was a dumbass, but I was only 16, and a dumbass that really wanted a car) Anyway, I left there alive, somehow. We walked back to the front of my house (actually an apartment) where I had a small transistor radio on the top of my old beat up '50 Ford playing music. We talked about what had just happened as I blew blood out from the hole that was just put into my upper lip. We all laughed about it. Just then, literally, not even 2 minutes had gone by and we heard glass break, a Mexican gang came over to us trying to start some stuff. They were upset because earlier that day another Mexican gang that wasn't from our area really put the hurt on one of their guys, that would be the guy that broke that RC Cola bottle I just mentioned, I always thought that it was apropos due to my initials are R.C. Anyway, this one guy started trying to start up with a friend of mine and I intervened. That's how the fight started. I was cut up and stabbed pretty good in that fight although I still made him leave due to me kicking him down the street, The other guys got into it with the gang too. (My father was literally stabbed and beaten and left for dead [for 3 hours] along with his best friend and his best friend's wife one Christmas Eve night when I was 10 years old, he was stabbed in that EXACT SPOT I was only 6 years later, cool place to live, huh? His friend lost his eye and a chunk of his skull that night, but he did live) I went to the hospital, I got all sewed up and was out again early that morning, it was about 1:00 am. We saw that same gang, and the fight between that guy that cut me was on again. I had a knife this time, a dull butcher knife I got from my house, it was a cheap-o flimsy dull knife. To be honest, all we did in this 'fight' was dance around, and really, I do not even remember how that was stopped, I just am drawing a blank on that. The next day I did the most brave thing I have ever had to do. I walked out into the "Park" area where my friends and I would always meet up, it was about 9:30am or so, I was talking to a girl that lived there close to where I was and she asked me about what happened last night. I told her, and as I was telling her I saw the Mexican gang down at the end of the street, there was about 7 or 8 of them. I knew one of them pretty well, he was as crazy as crazy gets, but we got along O.K. I told that girl, (her name was also, "Jackie", by the way, oddly enough) that I 'had to go' down there and talk to those guys about what happened the previous night. I had to walk about 300 feet or so down this long "horseshoe" street, (it was overall horseshoe shaped) and it seemed like it took forever, and it seemed just like a movie, at least in my head it did. Anyway, "Pelone" (means 'bald' in Spanish) my fighting buddy was there, so was, "Julio", the guy that I knew, the rest, I had never seen them before. (Julio lived two0 doors down from that girl I was talking to, Pelone was staying there with him. As I got closer I said, "We need to talk", and Pelone started ripping off his button-up shirt leaving his white undershirt with his Pachuko khaki pants. He thought I came to fight. My arm was in a sling and my side was stitched up, my left side was not in need of any fights. I told Julio that we need to stop this before someone gets killed, I wasn't being threatening at all, I was merely stating the fact that if this escalates, someone will get killed, that happened there. Pelone didn't speak English but Julio spoke it good enough to translate my message to him. So, I stood there while it was being discussed amongst them not knowing what they were saying and not knowing what they would do, they could just kill me, I didn't know. Julio must have said something that convinced them though, I walked away from there in one piece. I forgot to mention that during the time that I was at the hospital that gang shot up my friend's house, he was also Mexican, but her hung around with us, the white boys. They didn't care for him hanging out with the white guys so they shot up his house that night, just for that. A few years later I learned that Julio was killed by a cousin, his cousin, Pelone, was also shot and killed by someone, and another one of the gang from that night was also killed by another cousin, they all lived together on and off. Only one that I knew of lived to be at least 25. So, crazy, brave, I don't know, but that walk I made was a very good decision, most of us made it out alive, some didn't due to drugs, two of my friends died later on, one being that guy that got his house shot up, but he died from the effects of sniffing paint, at 25 years old... Another at 26 from bleeding to death due to be a heroin addict and he had a bleeding ulcer and couldn't go to the doctor because they would know he stopped his Methadone and was back on heroin, at least that is the story I got from his girlfriend. That's not even counting the ones that went to prison, one is now paralyzed from the neck down for trying to escape prison. My point being, I changed what the future was going to be by manning/boying up and walking that walk, it was a very, VERY hard thing to do, and I NEVER, EVER talk about it either, I only wrote this because evidently it needed saying. I wasn't really scared, but I sure didn't know what my immediate future was going to be like, but from then on, things were fine, at least with that bunch of guys. I have no real understanding on why you said what you said, but I guarantee you that I lived a horrible life until my mother died, then I had no connection to that place any longer. (I started work at 13 to support my invalid mother, and I went to school too) A lot of of the guys I knew didn't have the luck I did, they had it worse in some respects. That's just TWO of the stories, I have more, just ask me, BatCave. Have you ever had a life like that, or even a day like mine, remember, this happens all day long, every day to people, but I guess we can't be believed. I carry now because of things that happened to me in my past, I don't want to be that victim again. When I walk into ANY store I keep my head on a swivel, I watch everyone, all of the time. I am hard-wired that way now. If you are in Oz, then you can't carry, but being here on this channel makes me think that you would if you could, you know why? Because of what can happen to people when they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's why! I always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes it's just that way, BatCave. Just because there is this thing called, "the internet" doesn't mean that we are all liars, I lived it, you (probably) didn't, I was going to try and escape the projects by joining the Army at 17 and go to Viet Nam, but I decided that war wasn't what it seemed, thankfully, plus, my mother needed me there. How's my unique talent, BatCave, huh?
I'd be curious to see this test point blank from a pistol. The legend I heard was that the Mafia liked it for professional hits because it was effective, fairly quiet, and less messy.
One of my best friends was killed by a .22lr at a party two feet away from me. So if you are one of those who doubt the killing power of a 22lr I am here to tell you rethink it.
My understanding is that the brain is most like jello, whereas ballistics jell is like skin/muscle/fat. Might have changed the outcome if it had jello in it, but of course then they'd have to overnight the head to you in a cooler of some kind..
If the skull were liquid-tight, you could just stick the head in the fridge after it arrived. I wouldn't leave it in the sun for very long, though, so I'd shoot and autopsy it fast
I was thinking the same way. With a .22 it's best to hit between the belt and bellybutton. The projectile will cause enough internal damage that the subject will bleedout internally within 3 to 4 minutes even if they run.
As a paramedic for Houston I’ve seen multiple people shot by .22LR’s and can confirm this ammo does bounce around. I’ve seen people shot in the leg and end up finding the bullet by the neck. .22’s are the worst to get shot by because you may not know how bad the injury actually is.
@@Thatoneguy-ju6gq lol and you know more about this matter than a actual paramedic who has seen the injuries first hand? Sure bud, you clearly don't know jack shit because 22 most definitely tumble around if you get hit by them, any bullet with a small weight for that matter would do the same whether its a 22, a 38, or a 223 or 762x39 infact if your hit by a 556 or something larger and faster, good chances that is going to pass through you because its got so much more power, if a 22 hits a bone in your body, its going to deflect elsewhere where as a rifle round would shatter the bone and fragment the bullet. just because you play cod "pro gamer" doesn't make you an expert in wounds from specific calibers.
@@Canuck037 im a firearms examiner.. And he claimed to be a paramedic You have no proof he is a paramedic just like you have no proof im a firearms examiner And no .22lr doesn’t tumble they typically deform and mushroom but they stop before tumbling .223 however does tumble because it moves much faster and is much longer despite being roughly the same diameter And yes 556 can pass through but over penetration and tumbling have little to do with each other If a .22lr hits a bone it may deflect or imbed itself in the bone or if it hits a rib may go through the rib It depends on many variables but it won’t tumble And most .22lr are shot from rifle and .22lr stands for long rifle But yes many rifle rounds will break bone, so will most pistol rounds and some high powered pellet guns Sometimes .22 lr will keyhole if its shot from a short barrel handgun but that is a very specific scenario to justify a very broad and mostly untrue statement and is not specific to the .22 lr if a bullet of any caliber is wobbling through the air it will tumble, this can happen in any short barrel pistol Also I don’t play cod i play world of warcraft because i like math and a hobby is not a personality trait it’s something i do after work because I enjoy it
from your story. it was NOT a 22 lr... it was something else. 22lr can't do that. If you're a gun guy you would know this statement was false... It was probably 556
Thanks for doing this. If there's a better way to show what a 22 does I don't know what it would be. My dad was a detective and worked lots of murder cases. He said he has seen victims who were shot with a 22 that had the bullet bounce off ribs, and others the bullet stops in the chest and others the bullet exited. The exact angle of impact and thickness of bones probably makes a huge difference. He told me about a woman who was shot in the breast and the bullet exited her inner thigh. She was dead immediately. A guy shot himself in the roof of the mouth with a 25 ACP and the bullet stopped without killing him, he didn't go to the hospital. He finished the job with a drill to the temple. You never know what a bullet will do.
I have about two decades of experience as a paramedic. That pinball effect you hear about is not inside the skull. It actually occurs in the chest cavity due to the consistency of the lungs. If a .22lr should get inside the ribcage. The lungs offer little resistance to cause it to expend its energy. I personally have seen this more than once and was present when it was confirmed at autopsy. Could it do the same inside of the skull? Possibly and even though I have had patients with fatal. 22lr head wounds I was fortunate enough to not have to attend the autopsies.
I shot a doe in August, with a .22LR poaching back in 1984, the bullet nicked a rib, cracked it and went into the heart. The heart pumped the bullet down a leg artery where I eventually found it after a short necropsy. Double tapped and the second round shattered the other leg! It jumped straight up and landed, then fell over dead. Trenton North Dakota, white tail. Hunted and fished for many of our meals. Sometimes with a hunting license when we could afford it and most times without, we always ate what we killed and didn't waste much. Even the fish guts and scales fed the garden, and us Indians kinda like the living wild and free. Wild edibles too. Horseradish from Montana is the spiciest compared to the North Dakota varieties. Yummy. Wild onions. Prickly Pear Cactus, Buffalo berries, choke cherries, etc. Awesome video 👍🏼😎👍🏼👣🦅🪶❤
FYI... big fan... BUT... I was shot in the chest on the left side with a .22, it hit a rib, opened my lung and hit another rib, hit my spleen, and fell out "barley" from my left side. So.. yes, from personal experience, yes, the .22 does "pinball"
I live in Oklahoma and I hunt small game with a .22. I can 100% assure you that a .22 does pinball. I usually aim for the head but if I do miss and hit the body I basically loose my meal on that one because of it. All the meat inside is just shedded, blood shot and ruined. Because of this I actually keep a pistol with 17 round capacity for home defense.
Im a ER Nurse … yep …I have seen the 22LR bullet actually hit the skull and the bullet skim across the skull and the bullet glide across the skull under the skin .. hit in the forehead and stopped at the back of the head … under the skin … I have seen several gut shots … And chest shots and when the bullet hit bone they go everywhere…..I have seen this several times
The issue with that theory is the energy required to bounce a round around would just send it through the back of the head. Physics. Not saying flukes dont happen, like killing an elephant with a .22.
You can't argue with the laws of physics, Issac Newton would be laughing at most of the people in these comments.... Apparently you're the only person who paid attention in school!
@@mediascancer297 stopping on the inside of a skull isn't the same thing as it pinballing. As shown in the video, it can do quite a bit of damage inside the skull and dump enough energy where the round just can't escape the other side
Growing up in eastern kentucky we used a rifle and.22 short ammo to humanely put the hogs down. One shot between the eyes or behind the ear into the brain well placed always dropped them in their tracks. I recovered many bullets, all were all stopped in the brain.
Possibly, people came up with that (silly) theory after seeing damage to the brain in post mortem autopsy. In some cases 22 LR bullets fragmented so much that it looked like a "pinball effect" to brain tissue
I suspect that this is the most likely source of the rumor. Bone fragments and bullet fragments doing way more damage than the final mass bullet alone.
22 LR hollow points are pointless they don't expand, they don't have enough mass to expand. The only expansion you will get is with the .22 magnum and even then it is minor expansion. It is just too light of a round.@@annabellethepitty
Just got my license. I bought the Shockwave 590 and then a week later the GSG-16 wanted to see what a 22 could do perfect example and then you showed the shockwave lol two birds one stone you got a new subscriber
I know of a man that was shot multiple times with a .22 cal. One tracked through his thoracic cavity, striking a rib at his back and then tracked down into his peritoneal cavity, stopping in his right thigh.
The best part of this video are the comments. I've learned alot from reading them. I'm a ballistics junkie, and from what I've learned and tested, it is clear to me that the effectiveness of the .22lr greatly depends on 3 things. 1) Quality of ammo. 2) Quality of firearm 3) Barrel length Thank you for the video.
I've seen an xray of a 22 head shot. Small entrance hole and round didn't exit the head. However, the bullet segmented into at least 10 pieces when it hit the other side of the skull. Impossible to survive.
I saw an autopsy where a victim was shot sitting in his car, directly on top of his head. It was a .22 from a pistol. The bullet went through the brain, ruptured the right and left nasal sinus, and the victim drowned in the blood filling his lungs. I’m fine with .22 for home defense, especially with a semi-auto rifle, large capacity magazine.
Idk if that will kill ya, but the brain bleeding and build up of pressure will. Brain bleed--> increased intracranial pressure -->dead as a doornail bob. Although the pinball effect does sound cool, it doesn't need to pinball to kill ya.
The early mafia hit men used a 25caliber pistol to the back of the head just behind the ear, a 25 caliber pistol is hard to find nowadays, but it got the job done years ago.
The way I got the story was an execution type kill with a .22 hand gun at point blank on the back/bottom left or right of the medulla fired toward the forehead. Supposed to rip to the front of the skull then shatter and tumble back into the middle of the gray matter.
My dad got shot five times by a 22lr from a pistol during an armed robbery while managinga wendys.He received a couple in the stomach, a defensive wound in the hand that came out his forearm, one actually hit his heart. Through a series of very fortunate events (like the heart surgeon was leaving but flight was delayed) he survived and I subsequently got to come into existence.
James Brady was shot in the forehead with a 22 During the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt. Not sure if it was 22LR or short. He survived but had compromised mobility afterwards.
I actually had a coworker at the sheriffs dept I worked for shoot himself with a 22 magnum pistol. We were told that the bullet went back and forth 8 times. Can’t believe that they would have lied to us but regardless he accomplished what he intended, he was dead.
That goes against the laws of physics. How would the bullet get the energy required to bounce around that much? The human skull isn't very bouncy. Generally when a bullet Hits something hard it stops because it was acted upon by a greater force and there's no new supply of force to move it after that. They definitely lied to you. And did they really cut the skull open? or did they make a wild assumption based off some BS they've heard prior to that
I got hit in the jaw with a .22lr at point blank range in the jaw. It went through the right jaw at an angle. Then ricocheted off the left side, ricocheted off the right side, and the exited the back of the neck several inches under the left ear. I was told it was the opposite of the Kennedy bullet in that it ricocheted all over the place and did little damage. It was a .22 lr from an Italian Colt 1873 revolver clone. I can see how going into the skull could cause it to pinball and not exit.
A very close friend of mine (sadly) committed suicide just over 25 yrs ago with a .22 revolver. It did indeed enter ricochet off the opposite side of his skull and left thru the entry hole,.. proly one in a million, but it did happen. The bullet was sitting on the carpet up against the wall. This was about 8pm.. and he was pronounced dead at 830am. After a cpl strange VMs to a cpl of us friends , being I lived the closest.. I got there a cpl mins before the police did. And did see the bullet about 5 feet away on the light tan carpet (i wasnt really in the mood to play detective at the time at 18 yrs old) .. after their investigation and the autopsy... it was concluded that that's what had happened.
My dad was shot through the cheek with a .22 from about 75 yards away. It fragmented and the sheer force and pressure knocked out his eye ball. The fragments broke is eye socket and cracked his nasal cavity deviating his septum. He lost most his vision but had his eye surgically repaired and placed back in the socket. He was recently in a motorcycle wreck. Lost the bad eye and had reconstruction surgery on his nasal cavity, cheek and jaw. They found fragments all over his face from being shot 30 years before. Grown into the bones they broke all those years ago.
got shot at point blank range with a 22. it entered in the right side of my throat and went up into the bottom of my chin then somehow came to rest in the middle of the left side of my neck. that is what the doctor told me. its a long story , but the bullet was never removed and it is still there. got shot in 1993 and had it xrayed again in 2013 and it has not moved. it amazed me it bounced all over like that and i was not injured very badly. my neck swelled up. my voice was real low for about a week and that was about it.
not the same but on deployment to Iraq my buddy was shot in the head with a 7.62x39, it went through the front of his kevlar helmet, through his head, hit the back of the kevlar then spun all the way around the inside of his helmet leaving cuts on his scalp and a bullet trail around the kevlar lol, amazingly he survived and you would never guess it happened by talking to him (except for his scull being oddly shaped now), but about a year and a half later back in the states i thought him how to ride motorcycles. Another guy was hit with the same round and it blew clear through, so many different outcomes in similar scenarios i dont count anything out anymore (i was a combat medic in the Infantry so i seen a number of injuries).
That just goes to show you we Infantry dudes dont have much up stairs lol. Funny, though. Same exact thing happened on my brothers tour, back in 2006(?). Would this be a black dude you're talking about?
@@ShellShock11C sure as hell was, SPC Katka, same dude? He actually got his Kevlar back, we were on the east coast at the WTU and he found out they put it in a museum and they gave it back to him. Btw us line medics don’t have much upstairs either, we went with you brother 😂
A friend was hit by a 556 and it entered under his body armour and pinball'd around his chest ricocheted off his back plate and front plate he was an MP in Northern Ireland, I am a royal irish vetran
When people say ".22 is weak, ineffective, worthless, etc.".... I say "Oh, okay"... "Well then let me shoot ya with it"..... That's usually the end of the debate.... Argument over!... Haha!
You wouldn’t want to be shot with a nerf dart with a tac on the end of it. Just because you don’t want to be shot by it doesn’t mean it’s effective. Some people really want to believe the fudd myth huh?
Only reason I wouldn’t trust a .22 for self defense is the ammo jamming or clicking on you and not firing due to bad rounds since it’s so mass produced. Not from a damage or stopping power aspect. I don’t trust .22LR round to go bang every-time
You should try to snag a .22 magnum 10/22 if you ever run across them. It's all the same fun but with a little more benefit behind it. My fav gun growing up was my grandpas old wheel pistol (I forget what make) but it had different wheels for .22 lr and .22 magnum and those magnum rounds really do make a difference. But yeah, the "pinball" theory definitely has some basis in reality. My uncle worked homicide for 8 years on the local PD and he would share with me all of his gruesome and strange cases. It wasn't even uncommon for a 9mm to glance off the side of a skull and then chase the flesh around to the back. And it was very common for handgun rounds to bounce around the inside of the skulls. I've seen enough pictures to fully believe it.
I work in EMS, I have seen 22lr shots to the head and also seen xrays from the victims it had the pinball effect image in the xray, u can see the damage it caused, and also they werent shot with a 22lr rifle they were shot with 22lr pistol.
I’ve been shooting the .22 since I was about 9 years old. My first .22 rifle was a bolt action. The extractor was broken, so I had to fish the fired shell out with a pocket knife😁. My dad was such a practical joker.
So, I have always heard the .22 lr tumbling theory referred to a body shot, not a head shot. And I actually know that it tumbles in the body because back in '13 I shot a guy 3 times with the .22lr who was on meth and attacked my wife and I and the surgeon who saved the guys life, who I later met, told me thats exactly what the bullets did-they tumbled and caused a large amount of damage for their size.
You have done a valuable service to all of us zombie prepped people. When swarmed by a hoard of zombies it's critical to carry a caliber big enough to put them down...but also carry a large amount of ammo. 12 ga shotguns work great...but the ammo is so big, cumbersome and heavy there are better choices. The 9mm PCC with 30 round sticks is my current setup (Ruger PC-9) but I've always thought that the .22lr would be the tip IF it could reliably penetrate the skull. Of course through the eye sockets is easy and any really rotten areas would offer less resistance, but will a .22 through the brain damage it enough to put the zombie down? This might be a case for the fragmenting bullets so you get three wound tracks with enough penetration. Next zombie apocalypse if I can stay alive long enough I'm going to give the .22 a try....with something bigger as backup of course just in case it doesn't work.
I always assumed it was a .22 to the back of the head at close range where there is not much bone to slow the bullet down so it goes in at almost full speed and loses the momentum as it bounces off the thicker parts of the skull.
I've never heard of the Pinball Effect, but I have heard that emergency room doctors with experience in gun shot wounds say that the 22 often tens to divert because of striking a rib or some other bone and be harder to track thru the body. I'm pretty sure assassins using a 22 would opt for a base of the brain shot from behind. That doesn't need to bounce around to have it's desired effect. Hit the base of the brain and it's like a shut off switch.
An assassin wouldn't use a .22lr, the range isn't great and the power behind it isn't normally enough to do much from a far range. A .22 magnum maybe, or a raging hornet. A .22 with a bit more power.
@@jjnix9517 Israeli Mossad use 22 lr all the time. I know strange choice but the ammo is universally available and point blank to the base of the brain is the ideal attack. I didn't say it was easy but much of what they do isn't easy. Most of us would prefer a larger caliber but the Israilis have always made due with what works for them. Besides the 22 is very silent with a silencer and they depend on stealth.
@@mrtweedy705 yeah but that's the thing we are talking about a organization that's commonly compared to the navy seals, involved in basically endless combat with the surrounding Islamic nations and combined spy training with special forces training together. Don't normally expect your best friend to put a bullet in your head.
Two things, 1. I didn't read all comments so someone may have said this. 2. UA-cam isn't sending me your uplands. Ok. It's done with a 22short out if a short barrel pistol. Behind the ear. Try this. I'm 90% sure it works. AWSOME VIDEO!
I don't use a .22 for home protection, but I did recommend a .22 rifle to a lady friend of mine who was a first time shooter that I took to the range one day. She likes how light the rifles are, and the low noise and recoil. And after watching this video, even though it didn't pin-ball around the skull, it did scramble some grey matter, and that made me feel more confident in that recommendation. I mean as long as you have good shot placement, right?
The numbers don't lie with the 22. It has the highest multi shot lethality. Its hard to wrap my head around but my guess it 2 parts. Accuracy, there's no recoil. Follow-up shot speed is the next. Rest assured a 22 will absolutely penetrate very well into soft tissue.
My sister was shot with a 22 LR in the front of her shin at almost point blank.. like 2 or 3 feet. The projectile stayed under her skin traveled around the circumference of her leg then exited almost exactly as if it went straight threw.. everyone thought it had for a few moments until you noticed the red raised stretched out skin going around her leg. She ended up only needing two stitches in the front and two in the back of her leg.
The people tend to understimate this ammo but they doesn't know how difficult it was once at curjery room to a physician try to take out this tiny bullet from stomach of a patient we care at ER once couple years ago, obviously the patient died due to the size of it its so small is almost untraceable and that guy died fue to the huge lost of blood
My father - in - law about 7 years back now ( rest in peace my friend ), After an argument with his wife, stepped out back with his 22 pistol and shot himself point blank right behind the Temple. After the autopsy they said it did ricochet around in his head and never exited saying he was dead before his body every hit the ground. This was hard for me to watch because of that but you can you test that. Point blank, behind the temple 22 pistol ?
My condolences to your father in law. I believe it could ricochet but that could be a single rebound, did they say it ricochetted repeatedly or just ricochet? Pinball effect as people call it would be bouncing around over and over. I was disappointed he didn't use a pistol as well also.
@@toki89666 this is hard to say, but the coroner or police investigators may have offered a merciful explanation to a grieving family. I honestly hope this is exactly what happened. 😢
Rollercoaster is the better way to describe it. Any angle you choose to shoot a skull is a 90° angle. So actual ricochet in the way people imagine don't happen much. Instead it rides the bone and swirls around. 22s do this most because they lack the mass and velocity to go fully thru the other side. I've heard stories of suicide headshot rounds being found in people's necks or out of their eyes. Remember 22 rounds aren't all made equal also. Depending on brands and quality some fly out of the barrel at crazy angles. I'm sorry to hear about your father in law. My condolences. Thus past Memorial day marked one year since my ex shot herself with a 10mm pistol in the head right in front of me. I can't put to words the amount of pure hell it's put me thru. I lost my best friend and the love of my life that day in the worst way imaginable. I nearly typed details of it. But I don't want to sound as if I'm being cold about it. It still feels like it happened just yesterday. But I can say from experience that many things aren't like in the movies. I'm haunted even by the taste of trying to revive her. Even tho I knew she had no chance I still tried. Anyways. Sorry to hear about that bud. I've had to deal with 3 suicides this way over the years. I know more about it than anyone ever should have to. I hope tho that people get more mental help, and help others who need it. No one should have to ever have to deal with this kind of stuff.
All size oh animals have been hunted and or downed by 22. It’s also used to do in dogs etc that could alert enemy to presence of members. Just look it up
Let's be clear here, these aren't really "copper jacketed" bullets. It's actually a copper wash, meaning that there isn't actually a solid shield of copper surrounding the lead inside of the bullet. It's more like having a lead bullet that was dipped into a "copper liquid" than anything else. If you're trying to compare the projectiles between a 22lr and something more powerful like a 5.56 with a true copper jacket, it's not a solid comparison. You just can't really put that kind of projectile into the 22 because of the design of the bullet. Take apart a 22lr cartridge and take apart a 5.56. aside from the size of the casing, you'll notice that the projectiles are VERY different in shape/design. You can get solid copper 22lr which would probably more closely match the consistency of center-fire rounds, but they're made for extremely different purposes in extremely different ways. Testing the various types of 22lr loads on the same medium will be jaw dropping considering how well some perform while others are almost a joke. But each load has its purpose. I wouldn't knock anyone for carrying a 22lr for self defense if they have the right load. Hell, I've carried a 22 for a while when I was waiting for a new EDC pistol to ship in. When I put some Stingers or Punch ammo through it, I was actually very surprised at how well the projectile performed, especially considering how many shots I was able to get on target in the 3 second limit I gave myself. There's something to be said for getting 10+ shots off under 2 seconds with virtually no recoil or flinch. Even when my 10 year old son and I go out in the back country, I can hand him the TX22 along with his rifle and know that he can just dump rounds into anything he'd need to. It's a great option for people who have a tough time controlling larger calibers/guns but who still want to be sure that they can stop whatever comes their way. Don't underestimate the 22lr because it will surprise you far more than it will let you down.
I agree and posted the same before I saw your comment. A jacket and plating are definitely different. It's good to know that there are at least 3 of us non-youtubers who know the difference.
CCI Stinger varmit round I had a scorpion .22 and that's the only one I found that it would cycle with all others jammed. And I've seen countless Deer taken with a .22 so the not enough energy or takedown theory is not correct.
My grandfather was in WW2 on Omaha Beach and the only gun he ever owned and used hunting was his 22 rifle. I asked him why and he said the 22 does the job killing
I mean... you COULD kill a deer with a really well placed .22lr.... But why? Why risk it? The goal is to acquire Venison as painlessly and as ethically as possible. If gramps wanted a challenge he should have bow hunted.
@@Fullyautomagic when you're in the military you don't own the gun the military gives you its government property so that can't be what he's talking about regardless, clearly he means afterwards.
@@Stop_Gooning When I was younger and poor I would poach deer out of necessity for food. I used a 22lr for noise purposes, always took head shots and they always dropped like a sack of bricks.
I’m not sure it will ever bounce around but I can see with the perfect angle maybe making a trip around the inside of the skull. If nothing else you proved a 22 lr is lethal and you have a very small chance of continuing a crime spree!
I suspect like many others here that ballistics gel mean to be a muscle and flesh analog are more dense than the average brain tissue and this along with the angle of impact may make some significant difference in outcome. Think like the angle needed for a 3 corner bumper shot vs just one off the rail.. 🤷♂️
I would definitely wear ear pro even for 22 unless it’s subsonic out of a bolt gun. I’m one of those people that you would call an an audiophile. I really like speakers and headphones and value my hearing and I’m lucky enough to not have damaged my hearing into my 30s. It might be overkill for some but I use foam ear plugs and walkers razors when shooting. Whatever damage you do now will get worse over time so please be safe and enjoy the wonders of the human ear. Don’t getting me wrong I love shooting and have been doing it for a very long time so I’m not trying to be a troll.
120DB is considered to cause instant damage to hearing (like a 9x19 pistol (130+/-) or a 12 gauge shotgun (160 +/-), anything above 80DB is considered damaging if the noise is constant and you are exposed to it long-term (like working in a loud factory or workshop without ear pro for years). HV .22 LR out of a rifle runs around 110-115DB at the muzzle, but the noise back at the shooter is somewhere around 90 DB (the sound level of smacking your hands together forcefully). Both are below the threshold for instant hearing loss, and since you aren't shooting thousands of rounds per day, every day, any negative effects will not likely be able to be detected by equipment intended to measure your hearing. Big thing with guns is to keep it below 120DB, and that's where suppressors come in.
@@wildrangeringreen how do you rate 9 mm handguns about 130? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just curious. Most academical sources I came upon rate them about 160 db, just like the 12 gauge when shot from a long 22 or 24" barrel. They seem to consider all center fire ammo on the range of 157-163 db. So I'm curious if you measured yourself or if you found some source because from my experience it seems to me that 160 is a bit too much for a 9 mm handgun, else even wearing hearing protection, shooters would have some hearing loss after a short while.
@@Neomalthusiano It is physically impossible for a 9x19 to generate the same amount of noise as a 12 gauge; for while the muzzle pressures are similar between a 9x19 pistol and most normal 12 gauge shot loads, the volume at that pressure is several times greater out of the shotgun. More gas, greater shockwave, more noise. That's why most shotgun suppressors can only really get normal loads down to the mid 130's, a very similar noise level to unsuppressed 9x19 in a pistol. It's also why 9x19 out in the open doesn't make my ears feel muffled after only shooting one or two shots, but .45 acp does (.45 auto is running in the low 140's, vs 9x19's 130's) 5.56x45mm is definitely in the low 150's, and it is drastically louder than 9x19mm pistols. OSHA Impulse noise (less than one instance every second) "hearing safe" is 140db (I misquoted in my first comment). Below that, it has been determined that the allowable duration of exposure without measurable hearing loss is a combination of the frequency (pitch/tone) and the volume (DB) of the sound. Continuous noise (more than one instance every second) has been found to measurably damage hearing as low as 89DB (depending on the frequency, with very high frequencies causing damage in the low 80's. On a shooting range with several people shooting at once, 9x19 (assuming you are in the open air, no roof) and .22lr is definitely not hearing safe (to many instances per second on average), but out by yourself, shooting only a few shots at a time (less than 1 shot per second, on average), you would have to do it for 4-5 hours straight, every day, to acquire measurable hearing loss from it. Many DB readings on firearms are skewed by walls and berms reflecting muzzle blast back towards the meter (also something to consider if you are shooting close to the berm, or under a roof). Many "tests" are also taken at the muzzle, which is incorrect; as it should be at the shooter's ear. A .22Lr might be 140 at the muzzle, but you aren't standing there, you're 2.5-3 feet directly behind it. Common sound metering equipment is also notoriously inaccurate when it comes to impulse noise, with a common margin of error being 10-30 DB +/-. You'll also notice hunting, military and police organizations claiming a lower DB, while suppressor and ear pro companies tend to claim much higher. Both have a vested interest in that noise level. My 90-100DB for .22 at the ear for .22 is with high velocity ammo (38gr@1280ish) out of a 25" barrel (it will be a bit higher with a shorter barrel. Ironically, it's only about 7 DB louder than my Crossman 2100 (cheapie .177 pellet rifle) at the ear.
Copper coating on a 22 shouldn’t be confused with a copper jacket on other rounds. The coating doesn’t do much for the round when it comes to its ballistic performance on a target, it’s as soft as the lead it’s electrically coated too.
Correct, it’s just a copper wash and does nothing other than keep lead exposure down and lube the bullet instead of wax. Again UA-cam is A for entertainment and F for actual information.
I knew a man that during WWII in Normandy received a coup de grace about 1.5 inches above the ear with a 9mm Luger (I presume). The bullet skidded around the back of his head rather than penetrating the skull. Therefore you cannot assume that a bullet will always penetrate the skull. The man showed me the scar while I was waiting to go to boot camp in 1971.
depending on the angle of fire and where the bullet lands it could very well ricochet off the side of the skull, ive had experience shooting pellet rifles at pop bottles, and they bounce if you hit the curved sides of the bottle, same thing happens with a bullet hitting the skull id presume.
This is funny because it is something I've heard every since I was a kid also... like you said knowing generally what bullets do this is kind of what I figured would happen. From my understanding of the 9mm it will remove the lung from the body so it should remove the brain through the ears if used in this situation... LOL Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
@@Stop_Gooning my 9yo daughter has a S&W 15-22. She can easily make a mess out of anyone out to 50yds with it. Click my screen name and pan down for video of her shooting it when she was 7.
Only reason I wouldn’t trust a .22 for self defense is the ammo jamming or clicking on you and not firing due to bad rounds since it’s so mass produced. Not from a damage or stopping power aspect. I don’t trust .22LR round to go bang every-time
@@LilSkimp If you read Greg Ellefritz decades long stopping power study, .22LR fails at something like 5x the rate of any of the duty calibers, from .380 on up. Look for the video "busting handgun caliber myths" by rational preps, it has all the statistics in an easy to read format.
It's not a copper JACKET, but rather a copper PLATED bullet. There is a difference. I believe that the pinball effect is more likely to happen in the soft tissue of the torso or arms. It's all about velocity and obviously the 22lr bullet is slowed considerably after hitting the skull. In the torso at about 1150 fps, unless it hits bone, the bullet will become unstable and yaw and tumble. I've read that there have been hits to the arm and shoulder and the bullet ended up going through the chest and hit the heart.
A cousin of mine was at a party when someone decided to shoot someone else. The bullet hit him in the wrist and deflected up his arm and ended up in his neck. Almost killed him. Sometimes those little bullets do bounce around like a pinball inside a person. Must be careful with any firearm, even a little .22.
or, hear me out, he raised his hand, bullet went through wrist and entered neck? i mean, the idea of it bouncing up the fucking sleeve of his shirt is just comical.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 No... it didn't go up his sleeve, it went up through his arm. Messed his arm all up on the way. He almost bled to death, because they couldn't find it at first.
@@tonyhill3638 its just the way you worded it, makes it sound like it took several turns inside his arm to get to his neck, i can see how it could have happened though, arm extended straight to the side, bullet goes straight up and into the neck.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 That's probably about right. From what I understand, he saw the gun and threw his hands up before the shot. Bullet pinged off his wrist and traveled up his arm and lodged in his neck. It's still in there. Most of the surgery was to his arm.
I've always heard of that in regards to mobsters using .22 but a pistol and either behind the ear or at the base of the skull. Wonder if either of those would give the pinball effect?
I'm skeptical of the "pinball" theory. For something to bounce, it must store elastic energy which is then released into a different direction. Lead bullets of any kind deform plastically at such low yield strengths that very little energy is stored elastically. On hitting a surface, a lead bullet might continue along the surface if it can't break through the surface, but I don't see where there would be enough elastic energy to "bounce." This experiment shows that. The first shot sent a bullet through the gelatin brain, and the bullet stopped on hitting the back of the skull at a nearly perpendicular angle. All of the remaining energy went into flattening the bullet against the skull. The second shot hit the other side of the skull at enough of an angle for the bullet to travel along the inside of the skull. The forward energy was deflected, but the energy was not elastically returned in another direction. In some ways, these zombie skulls are not a good simulation of the human brain in the human skull. The brain inside the human skull is more like a large collection of noodles floating in noodle soup. The solid brain material is going to be much softer than the ballistic gel is. The solid brain material won't be a single mass as shown here but will be many little parts floating in fluid. While that doesn't change the lack of elastic energy that can be stored in a bullet, the gelatin will resist any kind of bounce more than real brain material would.
"For something to bounce, it must store elastic energy..." If you mean bouncing like a rubber ball, yes, but obviously the term "bounce" is being used very loosely in this case and would be more accurately described as ricocheting, not bouncing. It's just like billiard balls "bouncing" around the table.
@@SomeGuy-vo7we Even so, billiard balls have elasticity. The kinetic energy is transmitted through the balls elastically. If the billiard balls were plastic, they wouldn't ricochet, bounce, or anything else. If we tried to play billiards with balls made of Play-Dough, they wouldn't bounce.
I love those dummies, and I'm a sucker for them (especially when they have the red Kool aid in em lol), but one thing I noticed was that the heads seem to have a good thick amount of gel/flesh on the forehead before the skull begins, like how part of the 22 got lodged in that forehead gel and didn't make it to the skull, and so I just wondered how realistic is that? Only bc with me and my forehead, I don't have a thick layer of flesh/fat; just skin, and bone, like I can touch my forehead and it's hard bone (I'm not super skinny either; I'm 190, 6'), and If I got shot in the forehead with a 22, there is no extra fleshy padding on my forehead to catch part of the projectile, nor act as a safety barrier of sorts to protect my forehead from getting cracked by the round. And so I was wondering if the way my forehead is built is the same for the average person? And by "average person", I mean, not as in being built like those Slaton Sisters lol they both have like these big, fat, bulbous, alien foreheads that have literally about 4"+ of fat before you'd ever get to the front of their skulls, which I never knew was possible (to build adipose tissue on the forehead like that) lol so yeah, average people is what I wonder when it comes to the thickness or amount or levels of adipose tissue on their foreheads.
what are you talking about? Who has extra flesh on their forehead besides Cave men? You think if you put a burger on your head it would make a difference?
Both of those wounds are fatal despite the absence of the pinball effect..22lr is no joke. There are reliable reports of elephants being killed with one shot from a 22lr.
The .22 probably spent most of its energy blowing the lungs out.
Let's go Brandon 😜
That only happens with the vicious "high caliber" 9MM death machine bullet.
Brilliant 👊🤣
Yes
Science.
In 99 a man came in the er (I worked security their at the time) His "friend" acted like he was broke down. He stopped to help and when he turned his back his "friend" shot him in the head got in the car and drove off. 22 had to have been a pistol did not enter his skull. He walked out of the ER 2 or 3 hours later and got in the front seat of the police car. He wanted to see the look on his " friends " face when they arrested him. The police were nice enough to let him ride along for the arrest.
Good story bro 👍👍🤙🤙
@@aweezywun yeah I wanna see more of that. idk if I believe it. lmaoo. Mainly for the waiting for the guy to let him see the arrest lmao.
glad the vic was ok, hopefully dirtbag got a loooong stretch...
With "Friends" like that he didn't need any ENEMIES
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten I would not have believed it either if I had not seen the man get in the front seat of the police car and another officer told me they were on the way to the suspects house because the dude wanted to see him get arrested and see the look on his face when he saw he was alive.
After 24 years in law enforcement I've seen dozens and dozens of head wounds from everything from a 22 lr to large caliber rifles and shotguns. The 22lrs in my experienced have not exited and been deadly. I've seen 357 head wounds that exited and the victim survived. What makes the 22 so deadly is it's small entrance hole. You have to understand that the brain can survive really nasty wounds unless you hit the brain stem. What kills you is pressure that builds up inside the skull. A 22 wound quickly clogs and pressure can't escape, A 357 leaves a much bigger hole allowing pressure to escape. My last 16 years I was a University cop at a medical trauma center in a nice gang ridden urban environment. We would sometimes be overflowing with gunshot victims not to mention the odd suicide attempts. I saw more then one case where a person would put a pistol to their temple and the round normally a 9mm or 38 would zip right through come out their other temple and they survive, however this would blind them because they would cut both optic nerves. I spent many hours in the trauma room collecting evidence and crime photos and saw some really strange things. Once a victim shot with a shotgun in the back of the head and he wouldn't die. The shot hit just above the brain stem and spread out to the front of the skull. they had to keep working on him because he was still breathing on his own and had a heart beat. I got bored and checked out his x-ray and started counting pellets in his brain cavity, I got up to 340 when they decided to send him up to ICU, he passed a couple of hours later. Another time they called a gunshot to the head and the doctors and nurses left. The body was still in the trauma room and the housekeepers went in to clean. After a trauma blood is everywhere and they need to get it ready for the next trauma. A few minutes went by and I heard screaming coming from the trauma room and the doors flew open and the cleaners ran down the hall. The trauma team had to be recalled and start all over. no he didn't make it what happened is the pressure inside the skull blew out the blood clot and all the heart meds kicked in, the house keepers heard a moan then the guy set up. The worst were people that tried to kill themselves by putting a rifle or shotgun under their chin. This would often result in blowing off their face and they survived thankfully this normally blinded them so they would never have to see what they had done.
Thank you
Interesting
Remember as a kid, there was guy in the small town I grew up in. This guy put a gun in his mouth, pulled the trigger, the bullet went up, angled and exited. Came out about the Eyebrow.. he had a glass eye covered with a pirate patch, his taste was off. But he could talk, walk, everything. Been a while since I thought of seeing him. His left side was a lil off, like his cheek bone, he did some damage.. He was such a nice guy, very helpful. wish now I remembered but I dont recall his name. Dont know whatever happened to him.. my late grandparents knew him.
Wow. I'm just getting into firearms at 63 -- all I want to do is target practice (and learn as much about them as possible too I suppose...🤔) Your paragraph makes me think you could expand it into a book, and it would still be interesting and useful.
Your experiences should be in "stopping power" videos. I studied the "one shot stop" statistics, and learned the difference between a shooting where the criminal stops their attack, with or without a shot....As opposed to shot(s) that do not stop them, but they die later.
"We do not shoot to kill,
we shoot to stop".
I was shot two times point blank range by a .22LR copper jacketed bullet in the left chest & abdomen. In short, the bullet that entered my chest did ricochet throughout my body. The bullet was shot from a downward angle, as such it passed through & through (2 holes in the following) my left lung, stomach, spleen & pancreas eventually hitting bone, ricocheted upward next to my spine where it lay to this day…and has truly impacted my life. Trust me when I say, the .22 does “ping pong” throughout the body. I was shot by an active shooter when I was 19 just home from the US Navy, Gulf War I. I am now 48 and still dealing with not only the bullet but the frags it left throughout my body as well as all the scar tissue formed throughout all those organs.
Ps: Don’t get shot! It’s a very unpleasant experience. Yes, even a .22 LR…I was shot much closer then in this test but still…it really has changed my life. Which I’m lucky to have. I thank you for this video. See how it does in the chest? On a downward trajectory using a handgun in .22 LR…I almost guarantee that you’ll see that cavitation & ricochet effect I survived. By the grace of God. Be well all. And take care.
Damn, glad you made it. God bless.
OMG dude, is a miracle you are still alivie! God bless you and your family. 😇😊
Why were you shot?
Thank goodness you survived.
That's crazy. Respect to you, but I wondered. Wouldn't any bullet from the same angle fuck you up real bad? Would it have been a benifit if it went all the way through? Or is it mainly the richochet that made everything unnecessarily worse?
I have heard of this theory at many gun shows but I have always been told it was done with a 22 short with a revolver that has 1 or 2 inch barrel shot at point blank to the temple
I was going to make the same comment. Still a cool video though!
@trollolol What .22 short is supersonic?
Ah yes, always gotta pile on the caveats.
Suppressor has jack shit to do with a bullet being subsonic. That depends on powder charge and barrel length.
@trollolol wow, you're right. I always assumed they had to be slower than that.
As a boy growing up in ranching country out west I've seen a lot of animals killed by the 22LR. Cattle, hogs, varmints , etc. 22 LR has probably killed more 4 and 2 legged animals than any other.
I wouldn't call the second 22 bullet a "copper jacket". That's actually copper plating. So technically is still a lead bullet 99%.
And the copper plating is just to reduce fouling
would have to be tried with a monolithic brass or copper .22
Ite not as thick but it’s technically “bonded”. They did make jacketed .22 for military use so it is out there. More importantly it’s possible but not cost effective I would guess.
@@maxpelle there’s only 1 copper .22 LR I’m aware of. And it’s not gonna penetrate well. It’s going 1,800-2,000 fps with 20 grain frangible bullets.
And FYI they have made true jacketed .22 LR bullets in the past.
@@danielcurtis1434 I'm talking about the .22lr monolithic all copper made by Cutting-edge model Crux 32 grains .. they also make 42 and 52 .. you can find them on the cutting edge website
Former XVIII Airborne Spcl Warfare "Skydragon" here. Decades ago at Ft. Bragg, during a live fire exercise, a soldier's M-16 failed to fire so he jammed the rifle butt on the ground and shot himself in the head when it went off. The .223/5.6 NATO mil round entered but did not exit the skull. However it fractured the structure into so many pieces, that when we rolled him over, his face 'flowed' like a plastic bag full of jelly. Was still his face, but liquified...eeriest thing I ever saw.
It's supposed to be with a pistol. An 'assassin' for the mob gave rise to this theory. He stated that shooting someone in the back of the head with a .22 LR pistol, specifically a revolver, caused the pinball effect.
But its stupid...if your shooting someone in the back of the head, caliber is sorta irrelevent.
@@Jexorz86 Maybe the amount of noise that it would let off? Not really sure though
So a low caliber bullet in a short barrel of any kind will cause the bullet to rattle around in he brain case scrambling your noggin where as a bullet can pass through some “irrelevant” gray matter leaving you still walkin and talkin. You might have a new lazy eye and a stutter but your p much fine
Well he was specifically wrong, that mob guy was. Most people know that after breaking through the skull a .22lr will have nothing left and just stop if it even hits the back of the skull. A .22lr pistol would have even less velocity and probably wouldn't even reach the other side of the skull.
I'd heard it was 22 short or subsonic lr, through a silenced pistol. Allegedly as used by Mossad.
...Addendum. Oh, and it was also alleged to be a close contact discharge .
22 looks pretty much perfect to 'gently caress the off switch' with minimal surrounding risk. Great video 👊
Good test! The 22 doesn't have a jacket... it only has a copper wash
I was shot with a 22 cal in the chest it went through a rib bone missing my heart by approximately 1" then into my lung and lodged close to my shoulder blade. I didn't even feel it. I only became aware of it because I felt the blood running down my chest. So I proceeded to the hospital after about 20 minutes after I was shot . The pain was excruciating every muscle in my upper torso felt tensed up tightly and i could no longer speak i just made hand gestures to my chest. But the worst was yet to come the dreaded chest tube insertion to siphon the blood from my lung that was slowly drowning me . They force, not cut a hole into my lung with a dull plastic tip about the diameter of 3/8". That wasn't enough pain so 5yrs later while in the army the army doctors butchered the muscles around my shoulder blade that now has so much scar tissue that I'm in constant pain . The VA provided all the hydrocodone I could eat for many yrs. I ate them like candy till they decided that there was an opioid epidemic , then cold turkey cut me off . And left me to withdraw on my own . But fk em I did it and I was surprised to realize just how fkd up i really was on a daily basis from this painkiller . I wish I could have at least 2 a day to help deal with the pain, sometimes the constant pain will bring tears to your eye's and trust me I'm not a crybaby. So if you get shot it might serve you better if it is a large powerful caliber that just go's ahead and puts you out of your misery. It's been over 40 yrs of everyday and night of meditation to attempt to ease the pain of that little 22 mfkr .
I was out pheasant hunting with my dad....I was 15 yrs old........ I climbed over a fence and mistakenly pointed the shot gun " towards " him. He hit me so hard up aside the head he dropped me ! I learned quick........ " never " point the gun towards anyone unless you mean to kill it ! Even today...... young folks go to hunter safety classes..........they are allowed to handle guns.......and they do...............pointing them at anything and everything including people whom are present there. Nothing is done about it. They claim the guns are safe and unloaded ! Point being.............never point a gun at anyone ! Even if its dismantled !
Grow lots of cannabis brother.
Try Kratom
Holy shit man I am so sorry
@@mikedillon9080 We share so much.
Man I've been here since your channel was in the 4 digit range of subscribers. I'm so happy to see you approaching 200k. Good work man. And thank you for the entertainment I've never missed a video and God willing never will.
Thats impossible. Girls don't exist on the internet.
Same, I remember when he was just “1Shot” without the “TV” part lol. Knew this channel was gonna be big.
@@billystink4611 I agree. You could just tell he was going to end up with a big channel. His energy and content when he was a small channel was very impressive.
@@Adam-nv9zo For sure, this channel has always had “big channel quality”.
Thank you for sticking around! I can’t even tell ya what that means to me ✊
I really like how you get to the point and you don't spend half an hour talking like other channels
But if you were to make longer videos I would certainly watch them because youre entertaining, your videos are all interesting
Well done!! Appreciate the effort you went through to simulate the theory and then to show us the outcome...I thoroughly enjoy your videos!!
A .22 LR killed my best friend Gary July 3rd 1976. The day before the bicentennial. Fireworks were going off everywhere. We were walking down the sidewalk and he went down. I never even heard the shot. I remember laughing because I thought he just fell. When I looked at him he had a hole just below his neck in the front. I was only 16 at the time but knew immediately he was in big trouble. I'll never forget the look on his face man! The bullet went right through him, ripping a hole through his aorta. and was actually stopped by his shirt in the back. He was dead in 3 minutes. Never caught who did it and never knew why. But I know this.....a .22 LR can kill you. In a heartbeat.
With bullets you never know. We had a case of one guy get 3-4 .22 in the back of the head and one curved and made him a vegetable - he died years later. One woman was shot 4 times with 9x18 mak one bullet hit her in the head - she is alive and well living a normal life. Guess it's luck and how phisics deals you a card that day for headshots 🤔
True. My great uncle took a .45 FMJ to the back of the head and survived. It only went about halfway through, and left him with a dent in his skull. He kept the mushroomed bullet on his TV stand.
My dad said one of the EMT calls he responded to was a guy who shot himself multiple times in the head with a 22 (I'm assuming shorts) and none of them penetrated.
I never knew that man but apparently he made a comment about how he can never do anything right....
I can't help but admire his determination though.....
I've heard that women have greater chance to survive a gun shot to the head because there is not much inside.
@@mrBDeye 😂😂😂
@@LuieOutLoud The bullet will go through the skull and hit nothing.
I was (among other duties) the coroner in Barrow and Homer, AK. It was a judicial position, I sent bodies to a forensic pathologist for autopsy. I had two suicide case where they used a .22LR pistol. The pathologist report was : entrance wound, no exit wound, evidence of the bullet bouncing around inside the skull, death was instantaneous.
BS that goes against the laws of physics.
Mason Johns What laws of physics are violated. As for BS aI was District Court Magistrate, Standing Master in the Superior Court and Coroner from 1987 to 1989.
@@monteengel461Sir Issac Newton said "an object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by a greater force"
Once the bullet Hits the back of the skull it will come to a stop because there is not new form of energy to propel the bullet to the other side of the skull, because the motion of the bullet was acted upon by a greater force (the back of the skull) it will stay at rest because there's nothing from that point forward to propel the bullet.
It's not like a human skull is made of some super bouncy spring material either. It's hard and brittle
Mason Johns I didn’t say the back of the skull. My cases were point blank at the temple. You misunderstand Newton’s laws of motion. The .22LR bullet punches through the skull bone (of course loosing some energy to do so), then through the brain (loosing a bit more energy), then the other side of the skull and bounces. Yes at some point the bullet runs out of kinetic energy and stops.
@@monteengel461 when you throw something at a wall does it's bounce off and fall to the ground or does it keep bouncing back and forth two buildings until it loses its energy? After it comes to it's first stop it's unable to move from that point until acted upon by a greater force....... This was shown in the video 🤦🏻♂️
Back in 1970 when I was 18 I worked at a very small grocery store, the manager and I were checking in the cash for the day, in came 3 robbers. One of the guys had a gun, probably a 2-1/2" barrel .22 cal, he shot the manager in the throat area from around 6 feet away. The bullet "bounced around" according to him and ricocheted in his insides and although he did live, he had to be REALLY opened up to sew up the damage.
So, with that said, according to what he supposedly said, (I never saw him again after that night) a lead bullet from a short-barreled revolver did a lot of bouncing around. I believe that.
He was in the hospital for a long time is all I really know.
What it more than likely comes down to is that IF that bullet hits something 'just right' it can do what you and I thought, ricochet.
I remember an incident that happened in my area some years ago where a SC State trooper had a shootout with a suspect after a traffic stop. At some point (not exactly sure how it happened), the trooper had fallen to the ground while retreating during the fire fight. He had to draw his backup, which was a 2in 357 revolver. The suspect had run up to the trooper, firing a 22lr pistol downward at him while he was on the ground.
The trooper hit the suspect with 4 rounds of 357 & the suspect only hit the trooper with 1 clean shot from the 22.
Surprisingly, the suspect lived through his injuries. The trooper was not as fortunate.
They said that the 22 entered through the armpit of the trooper bc he was holding his arm up & in front of his face in a defense manor.
I remember how one of the reports claimed that the 22 round didn't follow the angle of which it was fired, (assuming it should have penetrated in a straight line or something) but instead, it took somewhat of an "erratic" path after entering through the underarm of the trooper. They tried to say that it behaved similar to a ricochet after hitting bone somewhere, deviating at an immediate downward angle & piercing his heart... which unfortunately resulted in his death on the spot. (I think they said the trooper was even wearing his vest as well.)
I'm not sure how accurate the reporting of the incident was but I think it's safe to say that even if rare, there's gotta be some validity to the theory. Too many ppl have too many stories about similar things happening, would be arrogant to dismiss it entirely. I'm sure if conditions were favorable or "just right" then It'd be possible. And with 22 lead being so soft & deforming so easily, I could totally believe that it might make some "erratic" wound tracks at least.
I believe President Regan was hit by a .22 pistol to the body. That bullet did bounce around.
You were able to identify barrel length within half an inch?
You have a unique talent.
@@BatCaveOz
Hey BatCave!
I purposely didn't tell MY full story because it wasn't needed to relay what I was trying to point out, but, maybe I was wrong... You want to hear it, yes, no?
How's this for a unique talent? I remember a LOT of things from my past because it was burnt into my brain...
If you read closer, I did say, "probably", it was a Saturday Night Special, it was "probably" a Saturday Night Special. Make sense? My point was a VERY SMALL barrel...
Yes, I was able to identify it pretty close since after he (the short robber) asked for "Long Cools" and I turned back to hand them to him he had leaned way across that counter pointing that Saturday Night Special gun directly in front of my nose.
I saw it REALLY close up!
That is when he suddenly, for no apparent reason shot the manager in the throat, two other really tall guys rushed in and they all started in on me, they all put on women's hose on the faces, I mean, I saw them all already, so that didn't do much good..
I was also pistol-whipped with that same gun, many times, yelling at me, kicking me, hit in the face with their fists too, and when I wasn't being pistol whipped it was held against my head when they had me laying on the floor trying to open the floor safe, which was only a non-operating combination safe that also had a key. Meaning, that key, which had a really bright hot pink piece of yarn tied to it. I remember that too, but even though I still couldn't open the safe, it was just stuck, plus, I never used that safe, that was for the managers.
The manager was laid on the floor bleeding like a stuck pig while this was going on, two of the guys dragged him back into the storeroom leaving a really long trail of blood. I remember that too.
Since I couldn't get that safe open I am SURE that I was about to be shot, well, I was even told I was, I had a few seconds left and I had zero doubt that it they weren't lying, they didn't care or have anything else to lose since I am pretty sure they assumed that the short one just killed someone. They had a count-down going on and I think it was actually down to about 3 when they stopped it because they were interrupted.
The guy that lived above the store and his 16 year old male cousin walked in, the robbers pointed the gun at them instead of me. They made them lay on the floor next to me, they stole our wallets, our watches and even the change that we had in our pockets.
I was saving up for a car, that was taken. (I didn't have a bank then)
As we laid there after they stole that stuff off of us, we were told to face away from them and we were sure they were going to kill us. Every time that one of them talked to me, I instinctively turned my head to face them, well, I got pistol whipped each time I did that. I was only 18, what did I know?
It just got quite, I assumed that they were still in the store stealing things, it was quite for what seemed like a long time, I looked around, I didn't see anything, I told the two guys next to me they were probably gone, and they didn't move or say a word, I told them again, still no nothing, then I shook the one next to me and he looked up and we slowly got up and peered over the counter top.
We all walked slowly and quietly to the back storeroom and saw the manager laying there on the floor gasping for air. The back door was open, so the robbers left through that way.
The guy (about 30 years old?) that lived upstairs turned out he was a Viet Nam vet and had been a Medic. (I wasn't aware of that and I knew him) He turned the manager over onto his chest and started pounding on his back, that allowed the manager to breathe again.
I was on the pay phone, it was a dime at that time, I didn't have any money, neither did they, we were robbed, remember? Somehow the kid, well, he was 2 years younger then me, found a dime and gave it to me.
This ENTIRE ordeal I was as calm as can be, I was really very concerned, but I was calm, but when I called the operator which is what you had to do back then to call the police, she asked me the address, I had no idea what it was, I told her it was on the corner of Washington and Race Street, that was all I knew. I don't remember if there were numbers out on the front of the building or not, but my point is, I started getting really shaky because I got a giant rush of adrenaline when what had happened finally hit me.
The next morning I found my wallet about 100 feet from my house, I say house, this was the projects. They walked right past my backdoor, they did have my wallet, so... Who knows?
When you lived where I lived, and went through ALL the times that I have had a knife to my throat, guns pointed at me, robbed, and being stabbed, gang fights, you probably wouldn't believe that either, but I made it. (I was not in a gang, but other gangs didn't care)
I have scars all over my left-hand side, my arms, my side, and my hands.
I went through PURE D hell from the age of 13 to 18 there, although I lived there for 12 years.
One night I was walking from that same store back to my house with 4 friends all my age, I saw a guy that owed me $100. for a car, (I was 16) that he kind of stole from me, hence me walking up to him and asking him if he had any of my money.
This guy was about 30 and was with around 7 of his friends talking, he became unglued, he said, "Don't dun me, man, don't dun me!", I had no idea what that meant, but he kicked me in the face and then my nuts really quick, he was reaching into his pocket for his knife and his mother yelled out, "Jackie!", so he didn't. I had no idea but the guys with me saw all of this too. I was too busy.
The next day I saw Jackie and he told me that he was about to stab me, so, that's from the horse's mouth, I guess.
(I had asked him to help me buy a car, he did, it was in his name, stupid me, but I thought I knew and trusted him, oops! So, while he was with his puck friends he took my car one night while I was under major duress. I saved up $120. for the car, the car actually cost $85.00 and he took the rest, I found out later. I admit I was a dumbass, but I was only 16, and a dumbass that really wanted a car)
Anyway, I left there alive, somehow.
We walked back to the front of my house (actually an apartment) where I had a small transistor radio on the top of my old beat up '50 Ford playing music.
We talked about what had just happened as I blew blood out from the hole that was just put into my upper lip. We all laughed about it.
Just then, literally, not even 2 minutes had gone by and we heard glass break, a Mexican gang came over to us trying to start some stuff. They were upset because earlier that day another Mexican gang that wasn't from our area really put the hurt on one of their guys, that would be the guy that broke that RC Cola bottle I just mentioned, I always thought that it was apropos due to my initials are R.C.
Anyway, this one guy started trying to start up with a friend of mine and I intervened. That's how the fight started. I was cut up and stabbed pretty good in that fight although I still made him leave due to me kicking him down the street, The other guys got into it with the gang too.
(My father was literally stabbed and beaten and left for dead [for 3 hours] along with his best friend and his best friend's wife one Christmas Eve night when I was 10 years old, he was stabbed in that EXACT SPOT I was only 6 years later, cool place to live, huh? His friend lost his eye and a chunk of his skull that night, but he did live)
I went to the hospital, I got all sewed up and was out again early that morning, it was about 1:00 am.
We saw that same gang, and the fight between that guy that cut me was on again. I had a knife this time, a dull butcher knife I got from my house, it was a cheap-o flimsy dull knife.
To be honest, all we did in this 'fight' was dance around, and really, I do not even remember how that was stopped, I just am drawing a blank on that.
The next day I did the most brave thing I have ever had to do.
I walked out into the "Park" area where my friends and I would always meet up, it was about 9:30am or so, I was talking to a girl that lived there close to where I was and she asked me about what happened last night.
I told her, and as I was telling her I saw the Mexican gang down at the end of the street, there was about 7 or 8 of them. I knew one of them pretty well, he was as crazy as crazy gets, but we got along O.K.
I told that girl, (her name was also, "Jackie", by the way, oddly enough) that I 'had to go' down there and talk to those guys about what happened the previous night.
I had to walk about 300 feet or so down this long "horseshoe" street, (it was overall horseshoe shaped) and it seemed like it took forever, and it seemed just like a movie, at least in my head it did.
Anyway, "Pelone" (means 'bald' in Spanish) my fighting buddy was there, so was, "Julio", the guy that I knew, the rest, I had never seen them before.
(Julio lived two0 doors down from that girl I was talking to, Pelone was staying there with him.
As I got closer I said, "We need to talk", and Pelone started ripping off his button-up shirt leaving his white undershirt with his Pachuko khaki pants. He thought I came to fight.
My arm was in a sling and my side was stitched up, my left side was not in need of any fights.
I told Julio that we need to stop this before someone gets killed, I wasn't being threatening at all, I was merely stating the fact that if this escalates, someone will get killed, that happened there.
Pelone didn't speak English but Julio spoke it good enough to translate my message to him.
So, I stood there while it was being discussed amongst them not knowing what they were saying and not knowing what they would do, they could just kill me, I didn't know.
Julio must have said something that convinced them though, I walked away from there in one piece.
I forgot to mention that during the time that I was at the hospital that gang shot up my friend's house, he was also Mexican, but her hung around with us, the white boys. They didn't care for him hanging out with the white guys so they shot up his house that night, just for that.
A few years later I learned that Julio was killed by a cousin, his cousin, Pelone, was also shot and killed by someone, and another one of the gang from that night was also killed by another cousin, they all lived together on and off. Only one that I knew of lived to be at least 25.
So, crazy, brave, I don't know, but that walk I made was a very good decision, most of us made it out alive, some didn't due to drugs, two of my friends died later on, one being that guy that got his house shot up, but he died from the effects of sniffing paint, at 25 years old... Another at 26 from bleeding to death due to be a heroin addict and he had a bleeding ulcer and couldn't go to the doctor because they would know he stopped his Methadone and was back on heroin, at least that is the story I got from his girlfriend.
That's not even counting the ones that went to prison, one is now paralyzed from the neck down for trying to escape prison.
My point being, I changed what the future was going to be by manning/boying up and walking that walk, it was a very, VERY hard thing to do, and I NEVER, EVER talk about it either, I only wrote this because evidently it needed saying. I wasn't really scared, but I sure didn't know what my immediate future was going to be like, but from then on, things were fine, at least with that bunch of guys.
I have no real understanding on why you said what you said, but I guarantee you that I lived a horrible life until my mother died, then I had no connection to that place any longer.
(I started work at 13 to support my invalid mother, and I went to school too)
A lot of of the guys I knew didn't have the luck I did, they had it worse in some respects.
That's just TWO of the stories, I have more, just ask me, BatCave.
Have you ever had a life like that, or even a day like mine, remember, this happens all day long, every day to people, but I guess we can't be believed.
I carry now because of things that happened to me in my past, I don't want to be that victim again.
When I walk into ANY store I keep my head on a swivel, I watch everyone, all of the time. I am hard-wired that way now.
If you are in Oz, then you can't carry, but being here on this channel makes me think that you would if you could, you know why? Because of what can happen to people when they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's why!
I always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes it's just that way, BatCave.
Just because there is this thing called, "the internet" doesn't mean that we are all liars, I lived it, you (probably) didn't, I was going to try and escape the projects by joining the Army at 17 and go to Viet Nam, but I decided that war wasn't what it seemed, thankfully, plus, my mother needed me there.
How's my unique talent, BatCave, huh?
I'd be curious to see this test point blank from a pistol. The legend I heard was that the Mafia liked it for professional hits because it was effective, fairly quiet, and less messy.
'Point blank' does not mean 'close'!
Also cheap and disposable.
One of my best friends was killed by a .22lr at a party two feet away from me. So if you are one of those who doubt the killing power of a 22lr I am here to tell you rethink it.
Sorry for your lost. 22lr all the way up to a 50 cal after lethal no matter what a size
Deer have been taken on a regular basis inside of 40 yds with an eye shot. Bullet placement is more critical than most understand.
My understanding is that the brain is most like jello, whereas ballistics jell is like skin/muscle/fat. Might have changed the outcome if it had jello in it, but of course then they'd have to overnight the head to you in a cooler of some kind..
A bullet ricochet inside of a human skull is a myth and goes against the laws of physics
If the skull were liquid-tight, you could just stick the head in the fridge after it arrived. I wouldn't leave it in the sun for very long, though, so I'd shoot and autopsy it fast
I was thinking the same way. With a .22 it's best to hit between the belt and bellybutton. The projectile will cause enough internal damage that the subject will bleedout internally within 3 to 4 minutes even if they run.
@@RS4393 Point blank a 22 will knock just about anything
Absolutely, the medium used is wrong.
It’s funny how the zombie head nodded in slow mo like “yep I’ve been shot in the head “.
As an retired trauma nurse, I've seen bullets do some crazy things once inside a human body. I'd be interested to see a .22 short test.
As a paramedic for Houston I’ve seen multiple people shot by .22LR’s and can confirm this ammo does bounce around. I’ve seen people shot in the leg and end up finding the bullet by the neck. .22’s are the worst to get shot by because you may not know how bad the injury actually is.
Ima hit x to doubt on that
.22 doesn’t have near the power to do that and .22 doesn’t tumble like 5.56 douse
@@Thatoneguy-ju6gq lol and you know more about this matter than a actual paramedic who has seen the injuries first hand? Sure bud, you clearly don't know jack shit because 22 most definitely tumble around if you get hit by them, any bullet with a small weight for that matter would do the same whether its a 22, a 38, or a 223 or 762x39 infact if your hit by a 556 or something larger and faster, good chances that is going to pass through you because its got so much more power, if a 22 hits a bone in your body, its going to deflect elsewhere where as a rifle round would shatter the bone and fragment the bullet. just because you play cod "pro gamer" doesn't make you an expert in wounds from specific calibers.
@@Canuck037 im a firearms examiner..
And he claimed to be a paramedic
You have no proof he is a paramedic just like you have no proof im a firearms examiner
And no .22lr doesn’t tumble they typically deform and mushroom but they stop before tumbling
.223 however does tumble because it moves much faster and is much longer despite being roughly the same diameter
And yes 556 can pass through but over penetration and tumbling have little to do with each other
If a .22lr hits a bone it may deflect or imbed itself in the bone or if it hits a rib may go through the rib
It depends on many variables but it won’t tumble
And most .22lr are shot from rifle and .22lr stands for long rifle But yes many rifle rounds will break bone, so will most pistol rounds and some high powered pellet guns
Sometimes .22 lr will keyhole if its shot from a short barrel handgun but that is a very specific scenario to justify a very broad and mostly untrue statement and is not specific to the .22 lr if a bullet of any caliber is wobbling through the air it will tumble, this can happen in any short barrel pistol
Also I don’t play cod i play world of warcraft because i like math and a hobby is not a personality trait it’s something i do after work because I enjoy it
@@Thatoneguy-ju6gq dude you can’t even form proper sentences….. never mind being an expert on A FACT PROVEN OVER YEARS !!!!
from your story. it was NOT a 22 lr... it was something else. 22lr can't do that. If you're a gun guy you would know this statement was false... It was probably 556
Thanks for doing this. If there's a better way to show what a 22 does I don't know what it would be.
My dad was a detective and worked lots of murder cases. He said he has seen victims who were shot with a 22 that had the bullet bounce off ribs, and others the bullet stops in the chest and others the bullet exited. The exact angle of impact and thickness of bones probably makes a huge difference. He told me about a woman who was shot in the breast and the bullet exited her inner thigh. She was dead immediately. A guy shot himself in the roof of the mouth with a 25 ACP and the bullet stopped without killing him, he didn't go to the hospital. He finished the job with a drill to the temple. You never know what a bullet will do.
holy shit
Like a actual drill or another bullet?
The .22 is what is used for Hog trapping exterminations. If it works on wild pigs, it will work on other things, too.
I have about two decades of experience as a paramedic. That pinball effect you hear about is not inside the skull. It actually occurs in the chest cavity due to the consistency of the lungs. If a .22lr should get inside the ribcage. The lungs offer little resistance to cause it to expend its energy. I personally have seen this more than once and was present when it was confirmed at autopsy. Could it do the same inside of the skull? Possibly and even though I have had patients with fatal. 22lr head wounds I was fortunate enough to not have to attend the autopsies.
I shot a doe in August, with a .22LR poaching back in 1984, the bullet nicked a rib, cracked it and went into the heart. The heart pumped the bullet down a leg artery where I eventually found it after a short necropsy. Double tapped and the second round shattered the other leg! It jumped straight up and landed, then fell over dead. Trenton North Dakota, white tail. Hunted and fished for many of our meals. Sometimes with a hunting license when we could afford it and most times without, we always ate what we killed and didn't waste much. Even the fish guts and scales fed the garden, and us Indians kinda like the living wild and free. Wild edibles too. Horseradish from Montana is the spiciest compared to the North Dakota varieties. Yummy. Wild onions. Prickly Pear Cactus, Buffalo berries, choke cherries, etc. Awesome video 👍🏼😎👍🏼👣🦅🪶❤
Have killed many deer with a 22.never lost 1.bullet placement is critical. Never a blood trail,it stays inside z animal...was a meat gatherer too...
FYI... big fan... BUT... I was shot in the chest on the left side with a .22, it hit a rib, opened my lung and hit another rib, hit my spleen, and fell out "barley" from my left side. So.. yes, from personal experience, yes, the .22 does "pinball"
It can but in rare instances
What does "barley" mean?
@@MrEazyE357 probably came out but would have had hardly any energy left you might feel it tap you
I thought the "pinball" theory was from point blank. That's why the theory is that it's a hitman's gun of choice...
I live in Oklahoma and I hunt small game with a .22. I can 100% assure you that a .22 does pinball. I usually aim for the head but if I do miss and hit the body I basically loose my meal on that one because of it. All the meat inside is just shedded, blood shot and ruined. Because of this I actually keep a pistol with 17 round capacity for home defense.
Im a ER Nurse … yep …I have seen the 22LR bullet actually hit the skull and the bullet skim across the skull and the bullet glide across the skull under the skin .. hit in the forehead and stopped at the back of the head … under the skin …
I have seen several gut shots …
And chest shots and when the bullet hit bone they go everywhere…..I have seen this several times
The issue with that theory is the energy required to bounce a round around would just send it through the back of the head. Physics. Not saying flukes dont happen, like killing an elephant with a .22.
You can't argue with the laws of physics, Issac Newton would be laughing at most of the people in these comments.... Apparently you're the only person who paid attention in school!
Nice to see common sense is not a total loss today. Well said
Exactly
I've seen it happen with animals. It penetrated the skull, crushed the skull where it tried to exit and turned half of the brain to mush
@@mediascancer297 stopping on the inside of a skull isn't the same thing as it pinballing. As shown in the video, it can do quite a bit of damage inside the skull and dump enough energy where the round just can't escape the other side
Growing up in eastern kentucky we used a rifle and.22 short ammo to humanely put the hogs down. One shot between the eyes or behind the ear into the brain well placed always dropped them in their tracks. I recovered many bullets, all were all stopped in the brain.
Possibly, people came up with that (silly) theory after seeing damage to the brain in post mortem autopsy. In some cases 22 LR bullets fragmented so much that it looked like a "pinball effect" to brain tissue
I suspect that this is the most likely source of the rumor. Bone fragments and bullet fragments doing way more damage than the final mass bullet alone.
Or they used a hollow point that fragmented a lot after entering.
I think this is the most probable
22 LR hollow points are pointless they don't expand, they don't have enough mass to expand. The only expansion you will get is with the .22 magnum and even then it is minor expansion. It is just too light of a round.@@annabellethepitty
Just got my license. I bought the Shockwave 590 and then a week later the GSG-16 wanted to see what a 22 could do perfect example and then you showed the shockwave lol two birds one stone you got a new subscriber
I know of a man that was shot multiple times with a .22 cal. One tracked through his thoracic cavity, striking a rib at his back and then tracked down into his peritoneal cavity, stopping in his right thigh.
The best part of this video are the comments. I've learned alot from reading them.
I'm a ballistics junkie, and from what I've learned and tested, it is clear to me that the effectiveness of the .22lr greatly depends on 3 things.
1) Quality of ammo.
2) Quality of firearm
3) Barrel length
Thank you for the video.
I've seen an xray of a 22 head shot. Small entrance hole and round didn't exit the head. However, the bullet segmented into at least 10 pieces when it hit the other side of the skull. Impossible to survive.
I saw an autopsy where a victim was shot sitting in his car, directly on top of his head. It was a .22 from a pistol. The bullet went through the brain, ruptured the right and left nasal sinus, and the victim drowned in the blood filling his lungs.
I’m fine with .22 for home defense, especially with a semi-auto rifle, large capacity magazine.
Even without the pinball effect, the shockwave going through the brain is very likely to kill someone.
i'm not sure man..
Bull
Idk if that will kill ya, but the brain bleeding and build up of pressure will. Brain bleed--> increased intracranial pressure -->dead as a doornail bob. Although the pinball effect does sound cool, it doesn't need to pinball to kill ya.
The early mafia hit men used a 25caliber pistol to the back of the head just behind the ear, a 25 caliber pistol is hard to find nowadays, but it got the job done years ago.
The way I got the story was an execution type kill with a .22 hand gun at point blank on the back/bottom left or right of the medulla fired toward the forehead. Supposed to rip to the front of the skull then shatter and tumble back into the middle of the gray matter.
My dad got shot five times by a 22lr from a pistol during an armed robbery while managinga wendys.He received a couple in the stomach, a defensive wound in the hand that came out his forearm, one actually hit his heart. Through a series of very fortunate events (like the heart surgeon was leaving but flight was delayed) he survived and I subsequently got to come into existence.
James Brady was shot in the forehead with a 22
During the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt.
Not sure if it was 22LR or short. He survived but had compromised mobility afterwards.
And the coroner ruled his death a murder caused by the .22, 20-odd years after the shooting.
@@rob6850 I've heard of several cases where deaths are ruled as "murder" when the person dies of complications years after the incident.
You can survive getting shot in a SHOCKING amount of your face.
"Zombie head to keep it family friendly!!!" Priceless!!!😂😂😂
I actually had a coworker at the sheriffs dept I worked for shoot himself with a 22 magnum pistol. We were told that the bullet went back and forth 8 times. Can’t believe that they would have lied to us but regardless he accomplished what he intended, he was dead.
That goes against the laws of physics. How would the bullet get the energy required to bounce around that much? The human skull isn't very bouncy. Generally when a bullet Hits something hard it stops because it was acted upon by a greater force and there's no new supply of force to move it after that. They definitely lied to you. And did they really cut the skull open? or did they make a wild assumption based off some BS they've heard prior to that
They were lying to you.
22lr. Is deadly, but so is a rock being slung by a piece of leather and string!
I got hit in the jaw with a .22lr at point blank range in the jaw. It went through the right jaw at an angle. Then ricocheted off the left side, ricocheted off the right side, and the exited the back of the neck several inches under the left ear. I was told it was the opposite of the Kennedy bullet in that it ricocheted all over the place and did little damage.
It was a .22 lr from an Italian Colt 1873 revolver clone. I can see how going into the skull could cause it to pinball and not exit.
A very close friend of mine (sadly) committed suicide just over 25 yrs ago with a .22 revolver. It did indeed enter ricochet off the opposite side of his skull and left thru the entry hole,.. proly one in a million, but it did happen. The bullet was sitting on the carpet up against the wall. This was about 8pm.. and he was pronounced dead at 830am. After a cpl strange VMs to a cpl of us friends , being I lived the closest.. I got there a cpl mins before the police did. And did see the bullet about 5 feet away on the light tan carpet (i wasnt really in the mood to play detective at the time at 18 yrs old) .. after their investigation and the autopsy... it was concluded that that's what had happened.
My dad was shot through the cheek with a .22 from about 75 yards away. It fragmented and the sheer force and pressure knocked out his eye ball. The fragments broke is eye socket and cracked his nasal cavity deviating his septum. He lost most his vision but had his eye surgically repaired and placed back in the socket. He was recently in a motorcycle wreck. Lost the bad eye and had reconstruction surgery on his nasal cavity, cheek and jaw. They found fragments all over his face from being shot 30 years before. Grown into the bones they broke all those years ago.
dang, it sucks he was in a motorcycle accident. I hope he's doing ok
mah lord!!
did he get shot because he was from the wrong ganga?
got shot at point blank range with a 22. it entered in the right side of my throat and went up into the bottom of my chin then somehow came to rest in the middle of the left side of my neck. that is what the doctor told me. its a long story , but the bullet was never removed and it is still there. got shot in 1993 and had it xrayed again in 2013 and it has not moved. it amazed me it bounced all over like that and i was not injured very badly. my neck swelled up. my voice was real low for about a week and that was about it.
not the same but on deployment to Iraq my buddy was shot in the head with a 7.62x39, it went through the front of his kevlar helmet, through his head, hit the back of the kevlar then spun all the way around the inside of his helmet leaving cuts on his scalp and a bullet trail around the kevlar lol, amazingly he survived and you would never guess it happened by talking to him (except for his scull being oddly shaped now), but about a year and a half later back in the states i thought him how to ride motorcycles. Another guy was hit with the same round and it blew clear through, so many different outcomes in similar scenarios i dont count anything out anymore (i was a combat medic in the Infantry so i seen a number of injuries).
I heard about the same thing happen with a 556 on the jocko podcast
That just goes to show you we Infantry dudes dont have much up stairs lol. Funny, though. Same exact thing happened on my brothers tour, back in 2006(?). Would this be a black dude you're talking about?
@@ShellShock11C sure as hell was, SPC Katka, same dude? He actually got his Kevlar back, we were on the east coast at the WTU and he found out they put it in a museum and they gave it back to him. Btw us line medics don’t have much upstairs either, we went with you brother 😂
@@ShellShock11C I have a picture of him when we went on a ride but UA-cam won’t let me put the picture in the comments
@@masonmcneill3969 m855 most likely because that shit sucks ass
A friend was hit by a 556 and it entered under his body armour and pinball'd around his chest ricocheted off his back plate and front plate he was an MP in Northern Ireland, I am a royal irish vetran
When people say ".22 is weak, ineffective, worthless, etc.".... I say "Oh, okay"... "Well then let me shoot ya with it"..... That's usually the end of the debate.... Argument over!... Haha!
its not that its not deadly its just that their is better and more reliable options than 22.
You wouldn’t want to be shot with a nerf dart with a tac on the end of it. Just because you don’t want to be shot by it doesn’t mean it’s effective. Some people really want to believe the fudd myth huh?
Only reason I wouldn’t trust a .22 for self defense is the ammo jamming or clicking on you and not firing due to bad rounds since it’s so mass produced. Not from a damage or stopping power aspect. I don’t trust .22LR round to go bang every-time
You should try to snag a .22 magnum 10/22 if you ever run across them. It's all the same fun but with a little more benefit behind it. My fav gun growing up was my grandpas old wheel pistol (I forget what make) but it had different wheels for .22 lr and .22 magnum and those magnum rounds really do make a difference. But yeah, the "pinball" theory definitely has some basis in reality. My uncle worked homicide for 8 years on the local PD and he would share with me all of his gruesome and strange cases. It wasn't even uncommon for a 9mm to glance off the side of a skull and then chase the flesh around to the back. And it was very common for handgun rounds to bounce around the inside of the skulls. I've seen enough pictures to fully believe it.
I work in EMS, I have seen 22lr shots to the head and also seen xrays from the victims it had the pinball effect image in the xray, u can see the damage it caused, and also they werent shot with a 22lr rifle they were shot with 22lr pistol.
I’ve been shooting the .22 since I was about 9 years old. My first .22 rifle was a bolt action. The extractor was broken, so I had to fish the fired shell out with a pocket knife😁. My dad was such a practical joker.
So, I have always heard the .22 lr tumbling theory referred to a body shot, not a head shot. And I actually know that it tumbles in the body because back in '13 I shot a guy 3 times with the .22lr who was on meth and attacked my wife and I and the surgeon who saved the guys life, who I later met, told me thats exactly what the bullets did-they tumbled and caused a large amount of damage for their size.
You have done a valuable service to all of us zombie prepped people. When swarmed by a hoard of zombies it's critical to carry a caliber big enough to put them down...but also carry a large amount of ammo. 12 ga shotguns work great...but the ammo is so big, cumbersome and heavy there are better choices. The 9mm PCC with 30 round sticks is my current setup (Ruger PC-9) but I've always thought that the .22lr would be the tip IF it could reliably penetrate the skull. Of course through the eye sockets is easy and any really rotten areas would offer less resistance, but will a .22 through the brain damage it enough to put the zombie down? This might be a case for the fragmenting bullets so you get three wound tracks with enough penetration.
Next zombie apocalypse if I can stay alive long enough I'm going to give the .22 a try....with something bigger as backup of course just in case it doesn't work.
Perhaps 5.7×28 would be what you're looking for, provided you don't need to eat, pay rent or buy gas until the apocalypse 😅
I always assumed it was a .22 to the back of the head at close range where there is not much bone to slow the bullet down so it goes in at almost full speed and loses the momentum as it bounces off the thicker parts of the skull.
great video, love the zombie head👍
I've never heard of the Pinball Effect, but I have heard that emergency room doctors with experience in gun shot wounds say that the 22 often tens to divert because of striking a rib or some other bone and be harder to track thru the body. I'm pretty sure assassins using a 22 would opt for a base of the brain shot from behind. That doesn't need to bounce around to have it's desired effect. Hit the base of the brain and it's like a shut off switch.
An assassin wouldn't use a .22lr, the range isn't great and the power behind it isn't normally enough to do much from a far range. A .22 magnum maybe, or a raging hornet. A .22 with a bit more power.
@@jjnix9517 Israeli Mossad use 22 lr all the time. I know strange choice but the ammo is universally available and point blank to the base of the brain is the ideal attack. I didn't say it was easy but much of what they do isn't easy. Most of us would prefer a larger caliber but the Israilis have always made due with what works for them. Besides the 22 is very silent with a silencer and they depend on stealth.
@@mrtweedy705 yeah but that's the thing we are talking about a organization that's commonly compared to the navy seals, involved in basically endless combat with the surrounding Islamic nations and combined spy training with special forces training together. Don't normally expect your best friend to put a bullet in your head.
the "game over" switch.....
@@jjnix9517 I believe the theory came from a mafia hit man and the mafia didn’t use the 22lr from a distance, they shot people point blank
Two things, 1. I didn't read all comments so someone may have said this. 2. UA-cam isn't sending me your uplands. Ok. It's done with a 22short out if a short barrel pistol. Behind the ear. Try this. I'm 90% sure it works. AWSOME VIDEO!
I don't use a .22 for home protection, but I did recommend a .22 rifle to a lady friend of mine who was a first time shooter that I took to the range one day. She likes how light the rifles are, and the low noise and recoil. And after watching this video, even though it didn't pin-ball around the skull, it did scramble some grey matter, and that made me feel more confident in that recommendation. I mean as long as you have good shot placement, right?
with a .22 best place is chest or abdomen shot if its what u have at the time
Considering the other comments from nurses and doctors even poor placement would yield results it seems
The numbers don't lie with the 22. It has the highest multi shot lethality. Its hard to wrap my head around but my guess it 2 parts. Accuracy, there's no recoil. Follow-up shot speed is the next.
Rest assured a 22 will absolutely penetrate very well into soft tissue.
I still find it absolutely hilarious that the zip gun is considered a less than lethal underbarrle
Is the .22 the best round for self defense? No... will 22 eliminate a hazard? Yes, with proper shot placement
My sister was shot with a 22 LR in the front of her shin at almost point blank.. like 2 or 3 feet. The projectile stayed under her skin traveled around the circumference of her leg then exited almost exactly as if it went straight threw.. everyone thought it had for a few moments until you noticed the red raised stretched out skin going around her leg. She ended up only needing two stitches in the front and two in the back of her leg.
The people tend to understimate this ammo but they doesn't know how difficult it was once at curjery room to a physician try to take out this tiny bullet from stomach of a patient we care at ER once couple years ago, obviously the patient died due to the size of it its so small is almost untraceable and that guy died fue to the huge lost of blood
My father - in - law about 7 years back now ( rest in peace my friend ), After an argument with his wife, stepped out back with his 22 pistol and shot himself point blank right behind the Temple. After the autopsy they said it did ricochet around in his head and never exited saying he was dead before his body every hit the ground. This was hard for me to watch because of that but you can you test that. Point blank, behind the temple 22 pistol ?
My condolences to your father in law. I believe it could ricochet but that could be a single rebound, did they say it ricochetted repeatedly or just ricochet? Pinball effect as people call it would be bouncing around over and over.
I was disappointed he didn't use a pistol as well also.
@@toki89666 this is hard to say, but the coroner or police investigators may have offered a merciful explanation to a grieving family.
I honestly hope this is exactly what happened. 😢
Rollercoaster is the better way to describe it. Any angle you choose to shoot a skull is a 90° angle. So actual ricochet in the way people imagine don't happen much. Instead it rides the bone and swirls around. 22s do this most because they lack the mass and velocity to go fully thru the other side. I've heard stories of suicide headshot rounds being found in people's necks or out of their eyes. Remember 22 rounds aren't all made equal also. Depending on brands and quality some fly out of the barrel at crazy angles.
I'm sorry to hear about your father in law. My condolences. Thus past Memorial day marked one year since my ex shot herself with a 10mm pistol in the head right in front of me. I can't put to words the amount of pure hell it's put me thru. I lost my best friend and the love of my life that day in the worst way imaginable. I nearly typed details of it. But I don't want to sound as if I'm being cold about it. It still feels like it happened just yesterday. But I can say from experience that many things aren't like in the movies. I'm haunted even by the taste of trying to revive her. Even tho I knew she had no chance I still tried. Anyways. Sorry to hear about that bud. I've had to deal with 3 suicides this way over the years. I know more about it than anyone ever should have to. I hope tho that people get more mental help, and help others who need it. No one should have to ever have to deal with this kind of stuff.
@@toki89666 Thank You my friend and No they said only that it " ricocheted around in the skull "
All size oh animals have been hunted and or downed by 22. It’s also used to do in dogs etc that could alert enemy to presence of members. Just look it up
Let's be clear here, these aren't really "copper jacketed" bullets. It's actually a copper wash, meaning that there isn't actually a solid shield of copper surrounding the lead inside of the bullet. It's more like having a lead bullet that was dipped into a "copper liquid" than anything else. If you're trying to compare the projectiles between a 22lr and something more powerful like a 5.56 with a true copper jacket, it's not a solid comparison. You just can't really put that kind of projectile into the 22 because of the design of the bullet. Take apart a 22lr cartridge and take apart a 5.56. aside from the size of the casing, you'll notice that the projectiles are VERY different in shape/design. You can get solid copper 22lr which would probably more closely match the consistency of center-fire rounds, but they're made for extremely different purposes in extremely different ways. Testing the various types of 22lr loads on the same medium will be jaw dropping considering how well some perform while others are almost a joke. But each load has its purpose. I wouldn't knock anyone for carrying a 22lr for self defense if they have the right load. Hell, I've carried a 22 for a while when I was waiting for a new EDC pistol to ship in. When I put some Stingers or Punch ammo through it, I was actually very surprised at how well the projectile performed, especially considering how many shots I was able to get on target in the 3 second limit I gave myself. There's something to be said for getting 10+ shots off under 2 seconds with virtually no recoil or flinch. Even when my 10 year old son and I go out in the back country, I can hand him the TX22 along with his rifle and know that he can just dump rounds into anything he'd need to. It's a great option for people who have a tough time controlling larger calibers/guns but who still want to be sure that they can stop whatever comes their way. Don't underestimate the 22lr because it will surprise you far more than it will let you down.
Thought I was going to have to say that🤣
I agree and posted the same before I saw your comment. A jacket and plating are definitely different. It's good to know that there are at least 3 of us non-youtubers who know the difference.
CCI Stinger varmit round I had a scorpion .22 and that's the only one I found that it would cycle with all others jammed. And I've seen countless Deer taken with a .22 so the not enough energy or takedown theory is not correct.
Great video friend!! 😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻
My grandfather was in WW2 on Omaha Beach and the only gun he ever owned and used hunting was his 22 rifle. I asked him why and he said the 22 does the job killing
He didn’t have a 22lr on Omaha.
I mean... you COULD kill a deer with a really well placed .22lr.... But why? Why risk it?
The goal is to acquire Venison as painlessly and as ethically as possible.
If gramps wanted a challenge he should have bow hunted.
@@Fullyautomagic when you're in the military you don't own the gun the military gives you its government property so that can't be what he's talking about regardless, clearly he means afterwards.
@@Stop_Gooning When I was younger and poor I would poach deer out of necessity for food. I used a 22lr for noise purposes, always took head shots and they always dropped like a sack of bricks.
@@mattfranks4086 _If I had the option_ I'd still choose a bow or a crossbow over a .22 if I was poaching out of necessity.
Do the same video but do it with 22 pistols... Preferably 22 short barrel carry concealed pistols
I’m not sure it will ever bounce around but I can see with the perfect angle maybe making a trip around the inside of the skull. If nothing else you proved a 22 lr is lethal and you have a very small chance of continuing a crime spree!
Yeah, pretty sure even a .22 caliber channel through the brain would have some lasting negatve effects.
Poor Zombie Fred looked so downtrodden sitting there on the table after you took the Shockwave to his dome. 😆🤯
I suspect like many others here that ballistics gel mean to be a muscle and flesh analog are more dense than the average brain tissue and this along with the angle of impact may make some significant difference in outcome. Think like the angle needed for a 3 corner bumper shot vs just one off the rail.. 🤷♂️
Great video! Maybe try the same thing with.22 magnum???
I would definitely wear ear pro even for 22 unless it’s subsonic out of a bolt gun. I’m one of those people that you would call an an audiophile. I really like speakers and headphones and value my hearing and I’m lucky enough to not have damaged my hearing into my 30s. It might be overkill for some but I use foam ear plugs and walkers razors when shooting. Whatever damage you do now will get worse over time so please be safe and enjoy the wonders of the human ear. Don’t getting me wrong I love shooting and have been doing it for a very long time so I’m not trying to be a troll.
120DB is considered to cause instant damage to hearing (like a 9x19 pistol (130+/-) or a 12 gauge shotgun (160 +/-), anything above 80DB is considered damaging if the noise is constant and you are exposed to it long-term (like working in a loud factory or workshop without ear pro for years). HV .22 LR out of a rifle runs around 110-115DB at the muzzle, but the noise back at the shooter is somewhere around 90 DB (the sound level of smacking your hands together forcefully). Both are below the threshold for instant hearing loss, and since you aren't shooting thousands of rounds per day, every day, any negative effects will not likely be able to be detected by equipment intended to measure your hearing. Big thing with guns is to keep it below 120DB, and that's where suppressors come in.
@@wildrangeringreen how do you rate 9 mm handguns about 130? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just curious. Most academical sources I came upon rate them about 160 db, just like the 12 gauge when shot from a long 22 or 24" barrel. They seem to consider all center fire ammo on the range of 157-163 db. So I'm curious if you measured yourself or if you found some source because from my experience it seems to me that 160 is a bit too much for a 9 mm handgun, else even wearing hearing protection, shooters would have some hearing loss after a short while.
@@Neomalthusiano It is physically impossible for a 9x19 to generate the same amount of noise as a 12 gauge; for while the muzzle pressures are similar between a 9x19 pistol and most normal 12 gauge shot loads, the volume at that pressure is several times greater out of the shotgun. More gas, greater shockwave, more noise. That's why most shotgun suppressors can only really get normal loads down to the mid 130's, a very similar noise level to unsuppressed 9x19 in a pistol. It's also why 9x19 out in the open doesn't make my ears feel muffled after only shooting one or two shots, but .45 acp does (.45 auto is running in the low 140's, vs 9x19's 130's) 5.56x45mm is definitely in the low 150's, and it is drastically louder than 9x19mm pistols. OSHA Impulse noise (less than one instance every second) "hearing safe" is 140db (I misquoted in my first comment). Below that, it has been determined that the allowable duration of exposure without measurable hearing loss is a combination of the frequency (pitch/tone) and the volume (DB) of the sound.
Continuous noise (more than one instance every second) has been found to measurably damage hearing as low as 89DB (depending on the frequency, with very high frequencies causing damage in the low 80's. On a shooting range with several people shooting at once, 9x19 (assuming you are in the open air, no roof) and .22lr is definitely not hearing safe (to many instances per second on average), but out by yourself, shooting only a few shots at a time (less than 1 shot per second, on average), you would have to do it for 4-5 hours straight, every day, to acquire measurable hearing loss from it.
Many DB readings on firearms are skewed by walls and berms reflecting muzzle blast back towards the meter (also something to consider if you are shooting close to the berm, or under a roof). Many "tests" are also taken at the muzzle, which is incorrect; as it should be at the shooter's ear. A .22Lr might be 140 at the muzzle, but you aren't standing there, you're 2.5-3 feet directly behind it. Common sound metering equipment is also notoriously inaccurate when it comes to impulse noise, with a common margin of error being 10-30 DB +/-. You'll also notice hunting, military and police organizations claiming a lower DB, while suppressor and ear pro companies tend to claim much higher. Both have a vested interest in that noise level. My 90-100DB for .22 at the ear for .22 is with high velocity ammo (38gr@1280ish) out of a 25" barrel (it will be a bit higher with a shorter barrel. Ironically, it's only about 7 DB louder than my Crossman 2100 (cheapie .177 pellet rifle) at the ear.
@@wildrangeringreen thank you for the clarification
Great videos! Keep them coming! I’m always watching! Thanks for this test!
3:09 for first shot
As a former ER Tech, I have seen x-rays of a gentleman who decided to chew on a .22 and it definitely scrambled his brain.
Copper coating on a 22 shouldn’t be confused with a copper jacket on other rounds. The coating doesn’t do much for the round when it comes to its ballistic performance on a target, it’s as soft as the lead it’s electrically coated too.
Correct, it’s just a copper wash and does nothing other than keep lead exposure down and lube the bullet instead of wax. Again UA-cam is A for entertainment and F for actual information.
I knew a man that during WWII in Normandy received a coup de grace about 1.5 inches above the ear with a 9mm Luger (I presume). The bullet skidded around the back of his head rather than penetrating the skull.
Therefore you cannot assume that a bullet will always penetrate the skull. The man showed me the scar while I was waiting to go to boot camp in 1971.
depending on the angle of fire and where the bullet lands it could very well ricochet off the side of the skull, ive had experience shooting pellet rifles at pop bottles, and they bounce if you hit the curved sides of the bottle, same thing happens with a bullet hitting the skull id presume.
This is funny because it is something I've heard every since I was a kid also... like you said knowing generally what bullets do this is kind of what I figured would happen. From my understanding of the 9mm it will remove the lung from the body so it should remove the brain through the ears if used in this situation... LOL Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
9mm will not remove a lung. Neither will a .44 Magnum.
@@williamwilson6499 LOL He's being sarcastic because of political comments recently made haha!
@@williamwilson6499 hey Bud… that whooshing noise you heard? That was the joke whizzing over your head.
@@williamwilson6499 no it will blow the lung right out your body and a 22. As you saw in this video blew the heads off the dummies
Awesome video, Thanks for putting in all the effort in making it.
A 22 semi auto rifle loaded with something like CCI velocitor is vastly underrated as a home defense tool.
True! The 10/22 with a couple of 25s loaded up will swiss cheese a home invader.
Especially with a binary trigger....
@@Stop_Gooning my 9yo daughter has a S&W 15-22. She can easily make a mess out of anyone out to 50yds with it. Click my screen name and pan down for video of her shooting it when she was 7.
Only reason I wouldn’t trust a .22 for self defense is the ammo jamming or clicking on you and not firing due to bad rounds since it’s so mass produced. Not from a damage or stopping power aspect. I don’t trust .22LR round to go bang every-time
@@LilSkimp If you read Greg Ellefritz decades long stopping power study, .22LR fails at something like 5x the rate of any of the duty calibers, from .380 on up.
Look for the video "busting handgun caliber myths" by rational preps, it has all the statistics in an easy to read format.
It's not a copper JACKET, but rather a copper PLATED bullet. There is a difference.
I believe that the pinball effect is more likely to happen in the soft tissue of the torso or arms. It's all about velocity and obviously the 22lr bullet is slowed considerably after hitting the skull. In the torso at about 1150 fps, unless it hits bone, the bullet will become unstable and yaw and tumble. I've read that there have been hits to the arm and shoulder and the bullet ended up going through the chest and hit the heart.
A cousin of mine was at a party when someone decided to shoot someone else. The bullet hit him in the wrist and deflected up his arm and ended up in his neck. Almost killed him. Sometimes those little bullets do bounce around like a pinball inside a person. Must be careful with any firearm, even a little .22.
or, hear me out, he raised his hand, bullet went through wrist and entered neck? i mean, the idea of it bouncing up the fucking sleeve of his shirt is just comical.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 No... it didn't go up his sleeve, it went up through his arm. Messed his arm all up on the way. He almost bled to death, because they couldn't find it at first.
@@tonyhill3638 its just the way you worded it, makes it sound like it took several turns inside his arm to get to his neck, i can see how it could have happened though, arm extended straight to the side, bullet goes straight up and into the neck.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 That's probably about right. From what I understand, he saw the gun and threw his hands up before the shot. Bullet pinged off his wrist and traveled up his arm and lodged in his neck. It's still in there. Most of the surgery was to his arm.
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 that just shows that you don’t know shit about ballistics, I know someone who got shot in the hip and it came out his toe
That shooting looked really cool
I've always heard of that in regards to mobsters using .22 but a pistol and either behind the ear or at the base of the skull. Wonder if either of those would give the pinball effect?
I'm skeptical of the "pinball" theory. For something to bounce, it must store elastic energy which is then released into a different direction. Lead bullets of any kind deform plastically at such low yield strengths that very little energy is stored elastically. On hitting a surface, a lead bullet might continue along the surface if it can't break through the surface, but I don't see where there would be enough elastic energy to "bounce." This experiment shows that. The first shot sent a bullet through the gelatin brain, and the bullet stopped on hitting the back of the skull at a nearly perpendicular angle. All of the remaining energy went into flattening the bullet against the skull. The second shot hit the other side of the skull at enough of an angle for the bullet to travel along the inside of the skull. The forward energy was deflected, but the energy was not elastically returned in another direction.
In some ways, these zombie skulls are not a good simulation of the human brain in the human skull. The brain inside the human skull is more like a large collection of noodles floating in noodle soup. The solid brain material is going to be much softer than the ballistic gel is. The solid brain material won't be a single mass as shown here but will be many little parts floating in fluid. While that doesn't change the lack of elastic energy that can be stored in a bullet, the gelatin will resist any kind of bounce more than real brain material would.
"For something to bounce, it must store elastic energy..."
If you mean bouncing like a rubber ball, yes, but obviously the term "bounce" is being used very loosely in this case and would be more accurately described as ricocheting, not bouncing. It's just like billiard balls "bouncing" around the table.
@@SomeGuy-vo7we Even so, billiard balls have elasticity. The kinetic energy is transmitted through the balls elastically. If the billiard balls were plastic, they wouldn't ricochet, bounce, or anything else. If we tried to play billiards with balls made of Play-Dough, they wouldn't bounce.
I love those dummies, and I'm a sucker for them (especially when they have the red Kool aid in em lol), but one thing I noticed was that the heads seem to have a good thick amount of gel/flesh on the forehead before the skull begins, like how part of the 22 got lodged in that forehead gel and didn't make it to the skull, and so I just wondered how realistic is that? Only bc with me and my forehead, I don't have a thick layer of flesh/fat; just skin, and bone, like I can touch my forehead and it's hard bone (I'm not super skinny either; I'm 190, 6'), and If I got shot in the forehead with a 22, there is no extra fleshy padding on my forehead to catch part of the projectile, nor act as a safety barrier of sorts to protect my forehead from getting cracked by the round.
And so I was wondering if the way my forehead is built is the same for the average person?
And by "average person", I mean, not as in being built like those Slaton Sisters lol they both have like these big, fat, bulbous, alien foreheads that have literally about 4"+ of fat before you'd ever get to the front of their skulls, which I never knew was possible (to build adipose tissue on the forehead like that) lol so yeah, average people is what I wonder when it comes to the thickness or amount or levels of adipose tissue on their foreheads.
what are you talking about? Who has extra flesh on their forehead besides Cave men? You think if you put a burger on your head it would make a difference?
Blown to pieces “it is still perfectly in tact”
Gosh I love people
Both of those wounds are fatal despite the absence of the pinball effect..22lr is no joke. There are reliable reports of elephants being killed with one shot from a 22lr.
Would be nice to see what a .22 pistol would accomplish. Great experiment and video. Thanks.