Strymon BigSky vs Source Audio Ventris
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
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Signal Chain, Fender Telecaster into a Klon Centaur then Source Audio Ventris and Strymon Big Sky into a 1974 Marshall JMP 100w Super Lead
I watched this twice, and listened through my studio monitors. Each pedal has characteristics that is unique to itself, so this discussion is largely subjective in my opinion, and comes down to taste. I will say that the Ventris is ‘tighter’, and more defined, while the Big Sky is more ambient, with a lot of higher harmonic interplay. I would call the Ventris more realistic, and I would describe the Big Sky as more artistic.
Blind tested and only scrolled back to the video when I heard something that really appealed - sometimes it was the Big Sky other times the Ventris - damn!!
Anyone else loving this like I am!!!?? 😍😍😍 The ventris has so much detail! They they both in their respect have great tone, but the source audio has finally won me over.
I think these are two amazing pedals but I wouldn’t say one is better than the other without figuring out the application in which you want to use it. The comparison reminds me a lot of my Neunaber Wet (BigSky) compared to my Red Panda Context (Ventris), they are both amazing but have different applications, the Ventris seems to put you in this void of space and puts your guitar at the center of it, so the original tone is very true to before it’s turned on and is focused on the guitar. That reverb creates the size of the void around you. While the BigSky seems to become part of the guitars tone itself and is more used in a similar application as you use modulation, think of the sound Mike from Incubus uses for his reverb when set very wet.
Both are amazing. To my ears I feel the Big Sky is a little warmer but I'm sure with some fiddling you could probably match it with the Ventris. Just when I thought I had narrowed it down to the Big Sky..d'oh!
I have both and think the Ventris owns the Big Sky personally.
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I just read your comment. I have a Bigsky and ordered a Ventris. I would like to stack the reverbs and wonder whether you can recommend which pedal order may give best results for lush ambient drones. Thanks. /C
@@cfibanez The Ventris can stack 2 reverbs and be extremely lush, should be more than enough.
moonsofjupiter Thanks. But.... a bit late. And it does answer my q. 🤪
@@BananaJoseph fear of turning into a 3rd world country like what's happening in the UK? I'm not racist but culturist.
Honestly, I think the Big Sky has finally been dethroned. Which is a massive credit to the Big Sky, as it's really the benchmark by which all other big box reverbs are measured. The Ventris is less expensive, it has far more capabilities, there is less menu diving, and I personally think it slightly edges out the Big Sky in terms of tonality and more importantly, how accurate they managed to get their reverbs to sound like the real actual reverbs they're emulating. Listen to the Ventris's "True Spring" and compare it to the Big Sky's "Spring" - it's not even a contest. Up until the Ventris arrived, the Catalinbread Topanga was probably the most accurate emulation of spring reverb, but Ventris's "True Spring" took it to another level - it's scary accurate.
Couldn't agree more. The Big Sky came out in 2013. It has finally been topped, a big day for reverb.
I agree with every word of this. 100%
Late reply, I know, but Big Sky was completely dethroned already when the Empress Reverb came out. Now we also have Specular Tempus.
wayfaerer320
Absolutely spot on I just got one and its definitely the STRYMON Killer
Still prefer the big sky. Each to their own.
Between these two, it is not a comparison of sound, its more about features and what additional soundscapes you are after.
When searching for the perfect (for me) reverb pedal, the Big Sky was the one that catalyzed my quest. I compared that along with the Ventris, the Walrus Slo, and the Eventide Space. I landed on the Ventris and could not be happier. I picked it mainly cause I felt it had the cleanest reverbs. Finding good verbs for fretless bass is harder than guitar. The Neuro app really opens it up and is simple to use. I have the C4 Synth as well, and am now working on building a pedal board driven by the Neuro Hub ecosystem.
I have both. The Ventris wins for natural, while BigSky wins for ambient. If i could only choose one, it would be the BigSky.
I just read your comment. I have a Bigsky and ordered a Ventris. I would like to stack the reverbs and wonder whether you can recommend which pedal order may give best results for lush ambient drones. Thanks. /C
You'll just have to experiment.
I just got a second-hand Ventris and my initial impression is exactly as you said. The BS is lusher and kinda more dreamy, synth-like, warm and gorgeus, while the Ventris is more neutral, more realistic and has more tweakable options. But sound-wise I think I would go for the BS if I ever had to sell one...
wow ventris sounds better plus a smaller foot print, app based editor, and you can mix any two presets...kinda ah no brainer.
+1
I’ve noticed that Strymon’s reflection (repeats on Timeline as well) has a tonal range that is lower than most other reverbs and is pleasing to the human ear. I’d be interested to see where the reflection eq is focused. The decay on both of these is similar and very nice.
I like the sound of the reverb better on the Big Sky but the sound of the guitar itself (before the reverb) going through the Ventris is warmer and more analog sounding.
I run Ventris into BigSky for endless stacking possibilities... Both are still great reverb pedals in their own right...Ventris for clean algorythms and BigSky for epic reverbs...
To me the Ventris has more dimensionality with a more natural feel. Sweeter, more pleasing harmonic content as well. That's without diving into dual parallel mode. Plus it's a cinch to use right out of the box or with Neuro desktop👍
you must compare bigsky with gfi system specular reverb
The super chill extreme reverb guitar plucking is well worth watching this video. I also feel the ventris is stomping all over the big sky which I have coveted for years and always told myself If it was $200 cheaper I'd get it, enter the Ventris. And it's better!? Awesome
Please do a shootout between the BOSS RV-500 vs Ventris?
I already own a big sky but intended to pick up a ventris as well especially for the dual reverb.
The idea of combination both for a tripple reverb effect sounds very appealing.
I just read your comment. I have a Bigsky and ordered a Ventris. I would like to stack the reverbs and wonder whether you can recommend which pedal order may give best results for lush ambient drones. Thanks. /C
@@cfibanez How is your experience is so far?
Both sound great
yes but big sky is over fk price..!
Nice comparison video! I'm interested to see Ventris vs Empress Reverb.
I agree - I really like having the Empress - the only problem I have with it is how it changes presets - I have a hard time scrolling back (got big feet - lol)
I still think big sky is better.. lusher tones and breathtaking ambient sounds. But for the price, ventris wins imho
Would’ve been good to see more than just 2 settings on each but source audio wins for me.
I liked BigSky better, but Ventris is very close second in sound. It is very difficult to choose between the 2. I guess it just depends on personal taste, would be good to compare other features to see what you are paying extra for with the BigSky
Glenn McEnroe for starters... the ventris is a true dual dsp architecture. So its twice as good, literally.
There are other factors that are also as important as the number of DSP chips, the sound design, and algorithms used to generate the sound are equally important. Clearly Ventris is not using the same DSPs as Strymon because they could not keep the cost lower in that case, unless Strymon is simply priced higher because it had no competition. I let my ears decide which I like better. They are both excellent products and competition is good for the buyer.
Look for the preset on the Ventris Called CenTillion. Something the BigSky can't do for sure :)
This video just cost me $399
as it did me, I just bought one yesterday after going back and forth on them
@@wirelesswine5459 you made the right decision
Me too bud... Me too...
. . . and now me as well.
One which one they’re both the same price
In live mix.... does it matter ?
When taking pedalboard porn pics for Instagram is the only time it matters
I would go for the Ventris for simplicity.
Source Audio is the Strymon Slayer!!!
I finally got the Ventris and l love it. But using the big sky again after a year of storage,, l have to admit being partial to the strymon. But something the size of a blue sky, and packed with features and great tones, the Ventris gets more usage on my pedal board. I end up using the Ventris and the Boss RV6 most.( As always great video.)
I really appreciate these videos Shnobel! They both sound great. I'm wondering if the ventris can do a good flint type verb trem thing in mono.
Yes it can on mod verb. You can use the trem and verb from that patch or add the trem only from the modverb with any other reverb sound.
Just ordered the ventris. Fingers crossed
How do you like it?
& the winner is: BOTH
+ the Mecury7
I prefer the big sky is sounds much warmer while the Ventris sounds really accurate but cold. They both sound great and this dilemma is killing me.
I think you're interpreting it that way because the BigSky has a dedicated modulation for all reverb modes and the Ventris only has mod on the E-Dome and Room. Not really a problem if you are running a modulated delay in front of the verb honestly.
Longer tails.. The ventris wins for my ears.
Both are good. Ventris could have benefited from a screen and preset control. SA still is having a hard time figuring out the hardware.
For sound I still think Neunaber has better sounding ambient reverbs.
I wanted a Ventris but instead I got the Neunaber Immerse Mk. II. I wonder how they compare? The Ventris sounds really good though. The Neunaber was a better choice for me because I don't really need to use a lot of presets but it has a lot of the major reverb sounds available, and it's smaller and cheaper.
I have both and the ventris wins quite clearly. You do get what you pay for in this industry
Oh wow...I actually like the Ventris...did not see that coming. But that doesn't mean the Big Sky is bad!
Just wish I didn’t have to get a fucking midi pedal to access ventris presets. It’s bumping the cost to more than a Strymon, which makes me think I should just get one of those.
Does Ventris's E dome go toe to toe with Bigsky Cloud? It seems to with bloom but Cloud? Does Bigsky seem more enduring? Like 1 continuous sound flowing while ventris is a little more square wave?
Now, Source Audio just needs to create a modulation effects box, something to take over Mobius, which shouldn’t be too hard.
That one would be the hardest to nail.
Well, Source Audio already has an older version of a multi-modulation effects box, I think some upgrades to those algo's and some new ones in the newer form factor would be doable.
LANo yeah I know. What I meant was that compared to a multi-verb or multi delay pedal, a multi-mod pedal is trickier to nail.
Cause the manufacturer has to use one basic program to design everything from time based modulation to pitch based ones and synth emulators. That's a tough ask.
Even the Mobius, as good as it is suffers from having a sort of "sameness" in the characteristics of all it's effects.
@@cardbored_ I am guessing you were referring to the Orbital Modulator! I also think, Source Audio already nailed the Mod chapter with this one even if not beaten Mobius!
Ventris can run line level, Strymon tends to distort in a rack rig. That's a deal breaker for me. Has to be Ventris.
You mean as inserts for recording?
Cool point, thanks Tim.
Sounds like user error
Ventris! Easy!!! The Big Sky has been beat... all the people that prefer the Blue Sky are people that haven’t even heard about the Neuro App... and even though as of this moment, the ventris is only compatible in the desktop version... any Source Audio pedal really shines thanks to the Neuro App... otherwose it’s just another pedal... sorry, a dual dsp with midi and usb pedal ... Big Sky? C’mon... it’s great... it has been the inspiration for boxes like the Ventris and the Empress reverb... both light years ahead of the Big sky
both sound great...
Strymons are great Pedals, (Iridium included) but I don't know if I've ever been so disappointed in a company's customer service.
They're good about responding via email but it still takes a long time to make any progress in tiny steps spread out over days.
After quite a few emails, I requested a call so we could work out some issues real quick. They would not do so because their employees work remote. I recommended Zoom, Google Meet, routing through the office etc... but nothing.
Even if I'm the idiot misunderstanding the manual (likely), for 2.5k worth of gear, you'd think Strymon would give a 10 min call to save hours of troubleshooting.
So before you buy, do you value phone support? Or for that matter, does this make you think they'll go the extra mile?
dang it selection disorder.
M buying the COLLIDER
Loving my Collider for the size and price!
Um, this video is MONO everywhere I play it... how does one compare high-end reverbs in mono?!
@Tobias Niederegger THANK YOU!!!
@JimDaneker You are right! Now... these are NOT high end reverbs. Not even close to that. But the point of demoing them in mono is just plain wrong. Mono reverb in terms of hall/room/chamber simulation is just not even a concept; collapsing true stereo algorithm to mono is also wrong because of phase issues this creates. Kids... play stereo! Wake up!
@Tobias Niederegger High end is not something that belongs to pedals. They work at instrument level, low voltage, not true line levels, converters are mediocre and algorithms are not particularly rich in programming details. High end is a Lexicon 300/480, a Bricasti M7, an Eventide H8000, etc... Put a piano or an orchestra thru a pedal and you'll know better! 96/32 means little if the quality of a set of converters isn't stellar. Try those units as their converters are more expensive than the whole pedal you use. Don't get caught in numbers...
@Tobias Niederegger I know you're happy. The BigSky is a nice pedal. But high end is different. And YES, you would benefit a lot by recording with the gear you mentioned and high end gear, like I do.
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@@italoop7850 I actually beg to differ - I have a high-end studio full of top-notch gear, with monster PMC mastering monitors at the end of the chain. I'm a bit of a reverb snob - I do a lot of orchestral and film work, so I have the best of the best at my disposal - and I was shocked at just how good the Tempus and Ventris are. They easily hold their own against quite a bit of truly high-end gear - in fact the Tempus has become one of my new favorites! So much that I built a special send-return loop dedicated to it. It is a stunning project!
Bigsky sound more natural sound and deep
Ventris is good so
Sounds like the opinion of someone who already has a bigsky ;)
I own both and to me Ventris to me is the winner, so much easier to dial a tone and it just feels right. Not harsh. Yes the big sky is amazing however you really need to dive deep into the setting to get what you want. I found myself fiddling more with the sound with the big sky be Ventris I found myself actually playing my guitar and creating new music.
S T R Y M O N .... FTW....
I own the Big Sky and did own the Ventris for a few weeks and although it sounds wonderful, I couldn't bond with it.. The Big Sky has something special in there that TO ME no other Verb can do.. That's just my opinion.
except "your opinion" is now utterly cookie cutter. everyone with a big sky sounds the same.
Sounds like a noob opinion
@@kylebichler2258 Ok K Y L E … 🙄… 3 years later. 🙄
@@davemau5e hahahaha
Ventris is more user-friendly. Strymon makes you tweak more often.
Ventris wins.
Ventris sounds just as good, if not better on all shared modes (Hall/Spring/Plate etc). What it comes down to is, do you want Offspring? Or do you want Cloud?
Michael V i want e-dome
E-Dome 🤘🏼
m3 4 edome
E-dome WITH Echoverb or E-dome with Shimmer set to a pitch dropping hold. Or Offspring and E-dome. Or Offspring and Reverse. Or...
Well, there is also a cost difference to consider.
I've had a Dig, El Cap and Flint and sold them all. While I really love the sound of the effect I just can't tolerate what they do to my dry sound (add some plastic sheen). Did blind tests, could hear when the pedals were engaged (Mix on 0). I reckon their Analogue Dry through only works when their pedals are bypassed, after that there is something going on there...
Unfortunately, really wanted to keep the Dig
Michael Kupfer Just traded off my last Strymon (El Cap) for this reason. At one point I had 5.
Bullshit
Is there a part 2 coming?
Which reverb type on big sky would be closest to offspring from ventris?? I already have a big sky but i just heard that offspring reverb from ventris and now i want it so bad
Nice i just trying to think how can i setup the Ventris using midi with the gigrig2, without screen.. Big Sky is over price, too expensive, if you go to reverb.com you can see a lot of buyers selling the BS in the same price range, is crazy. I hope Ventris can put a screen and Midi out! soon this pedal is great!
Both sound too thin and "on top" of the dry sound for my taste, maybe it's just the recording though... There seems to be some heavy compression and even clipping going on, is this intentional?
Hey what is your favorite reverb to this day?
Big sky. All day.
does the ventris have midi?
yes
Practice!!!!!
Why didn't they put top mounted jacks though??? Huge downside for me :-(
OverJam52 they are top mounted. Top mounted instrument, expression and power jacks with side mounted midi.
Oh, what's input 1 and 2 on the side then?
OverJam52 on second look, you are correct. Expression, power and external control on top. Stereo in/outs and midi are side mounted. Works out for my pedalboard layout so I really hadn't noticed. Apologies.
Alan Hinton no worries at all. I wish it had the same layout as Strymon’s, really convenient to stick them one against another on a small pedalboard.
Does any of you who have one these pedals actually use more than 1 to 2 settings live?
Nice shootout
The ventris won by far in useability and caracter of sounds
But for the price I'd get a L6 HX hands down
They're both absurdly better than any studio reverbs from 10 yrs and before. Either one would make me satisfied, although I do use a ventris, that's only because of an incredibly sweet barter!
E-Dome.
The Big Sky expands way more tbh. Especially if youre playing live. Strymon has way better ambience.
Mark Elias not true at all. Each ventris patch, time knob max is "infinite" Plus ventris has has pre-delay build, reverb hold, pitch drop and rise - all latching or momentary. You can even send a shimmer with a held pitch drop into a shimmer with a held pitch rise.
You gotta teach us how to do these on our Ventris.. pitch drop and rise - all latching or momentary. You can even send a shimmer with a held pitch drop into a shimmer with a held pitch rise.
Ventris is more dark and big sky is more beautifull,use for synth and some guitar of my friend,no speak english very well,y listen to beyerdynamics dts 1990 open byeeee
VENTRIS ²
Ventris all the way, Strymon is incredibly overrated, SA is the one to follow IMHO
Big Sky
Big sky for me.
The Big Sky all day...
I'm pretty impressed, but with the price less than 100 from a used Big Sky, I think I'll pass.
Min 4:50 ... ouch to strymon... lol Ventris sounds so superior
so superior?!? LOOOOOOL
It really does though.
Eh I disagree
Ventris by a mile.
Comparting a 9-year-old digital pedal to a new one
I think the timeline came out 9 years ago, not the big sky, but I get what you're saying.. they still need to be compared. :)
Ya because digital code ages...
I get you. Eventide Space came out in 2011, BigSky in 2013 and Ventris in 2017. Firmware updates might become your best friends though
Bigsky moer sweet. And analog dry through.
Misael Cruz Ventris is 100% analog dry through
Michael Kupfer yep sorry is the Nemesis delay.
Michael Kupfer For most of the reverb engines and signal routing options the dry signal remains an analog signal.
Can't understand a mono demo with those beasts....