Miao Ying Immortal Empires Campaign Review
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The caravan systems encouraging you to control the Ivory road is actually one of the best things about it imo, unlike other factions, it actually gives you something to do once you unified your homeland, which many factions lack
This juste sounds like world domination with extra steps
@@basab1063the goal is always world domination, tf have you been doing?
@@hanshartmann9772 Do you have any tips on how to get going with this? I've played twwh since game 1 and every time I get to the point where the homeland/starting continent is unified it just turns into border skirmishes between other superpowers because an all-out invasion leaves me vulnerable to other factions.
@@darthtom100 usually u hit a point where u have enough money to spam the best units and doomstack the world. thats why they added the end game crisis
"It is Colonialism, My Dudes
Aaaa-AAAAAAGGGHH!"
Every Miao Ying campaign I've played has seen Vilitch completely ignore the bastion, sprint west and then swoop south and back east to attack Nan Gao from the Mountains of Mourn lol - far more challenging than what they intend to happen!
I've seen Vilitch simply teleport over the gates with Tzeentchian warpfuckery and either try to ambush me or straight up bumrush me with whatever he's got. After that, yes, he does take that scenic route around through Gromgor's Badlands to try to raze the 2 minor settlements in the Nan Gao province.
@@lathamtk thankfully he can't teleport over the bastion anymore
@@lathamtk they disabled it he can’t teleport over the bastion anymore
Any time I have played vilitch has come from where greasus is and even at war with Zhao, just pushes past him and comes to fight me 🤣🤣🤣
My exact experience
I don't know if its intentional but I appreciate these videos getting a bit longer, the early ones felt a bit quick in comparison to these later ones.
Gives a bit more depth to the starts, etc.
Thank you.
Well he probably wasn't looking forward to doing all of these when he started as he seems a little burnt out on it.
I like that you went into depth on the hero types and their unique mechanics. Discussing the unique mechanics for different factions is nice
He should redo first couple of videos. 2-3min was too short.
Miao Ying was the first Legendary Campaign i completed in WH3. Even before the toning down of Kurgan incursions. In fact guard duty is a good training ground for newly recruited lords. Garissoning the bastion is super cheap, you can keep half-stacks to fend off couple of stacks as they pop up and when you get enough xp you can send them off to conquer new territories
I keep full stacks of peasants there, then I graduate to full stacks of jade warriors, and finally they get full stacks of dragon guard in the late game.
Too bad both Cathayan generic lords are trash, no matter how much you level them.
Agreed, I started thinking of the Wall as sort of a garden for gold and XP.
very RP flavorful as well. you work your way up the ranks as general doing time defending the wall before your accomplishments are acknowledged by the dragons and you're sent to actually fight battles for cathay elsewhere
This was one of the first Immortal Empires campaigns that I played, and it was crazy how strong I was. If you can maintain harmony then you end up obscenely rich, you have lots of allies around, and your homeland is safer than most. When the end game crisis happened (vampires) I felt like everyone else was having a crisis, I was having a crusade.
This is probably my favorite campaign in the game.
jade custodian (or whatever it's called, the ancilliary with +3 recruit rank to melee jade units) is absolutely broken.
The balance buff means line of jade warriors with jade crossbows behind beats most everything until tier 4.
Also turn 1 recruit a yang lord, to offset miao effect and also because yang gets more replenishment/campaignmovement in technology and outside cathay you don't have a lot of that
Yeah man, im mid game and most of my armies currently are cut and paste jade warriors/crossbows with a few grand cannons thrown in. I had a single army kill archaon, grimgor and a trash stack of norsca last night all in the same turn. Laughable.
A Cathay peasant poop shack can easily beat a tier 3 or 4 stack with minor artillery support. Cathay already has broken standard armies.
you can get the great bastion threat level to 1% per turn so u can make it so the kurgan only show up once every 100 turns as long as you put the 3 edicts at the gates that lower it by 1% each and I think a compass direction lowers it by 2%
But would you want to do that? The right bastion building make for very cheap armies stationed there, which is perfectly enough to hold out against two enemy armies at the same time at the least.
Yeah, at the start it makes sense to not want too many invasions, but later on? Pffft, c'mon, monke! We have banans in Cathay! :p
You're also better off making 20% more bling with the compass over at the money direction
@@magnuskno that's how I make my money, I have magistrates manning the gates with the upkeep building and their bottom skill line I have full stacks of near zero upkeep troops ready to crush kurgans for cash.
Every game I've played the kurgan warbands just sit in the wastes and never attack. Very annoying
@@isaacgorski6054what?
Cathay is pure easy mode :D
yingYang balance is a f-ing pain in the ass though.
Just having it be previsional for the next turn would have made this a LOT better.
Pro tip: Rush Villich.
I wish the yin-yang steps were a little further apart, like make balanced plus or minus one because currently it's impossible to stay balanced because as soon as you get balanced you'll have a building you started several turns ago complete & ruin your harmony, or a technology, or recruit a new unit.
@@KamikazKid Or fight a battle. Blitz a campaign, have +12. Settle down, have -12. Get whacked in the face by Grimgor, +12 again.
I played Miao Ying as my first successful "very hard" campaign and found it surprisingly easy and enjoyable. The early game is certainly stressful, but once you have all of Cathay you have such a secure position and pretty much infinite money, that it becomes easy mode. But it still stays engaging, with micromanaging their faction mechanics. So far my favorite Immortal Empires campaign.
It feels like Cathay got so much more attention from the devs compared to Kislev. Just take a look at the number and usefulness of each faction's mechanics
Kislev's rites are decent and the currency is easily obtainable. Kislev's heros are also FAR FAR better than Cathay's. No one is doomstacking Cathay heroes but a Patriarch doomstack with Kostaltyn is one of the strongest in the game.
Miao Ying is a pretty comfy campaign I think. Not terribly challenging but also not lacking in things to do. The Caravan mechanic is really profitable and gives you a proper mid to late game goal, and honestly the Kurgans are just easy money most of the time. I like to have small but elite armies stationed in each gate with the upkeep reduction and CDG recruit buildings (for the global recruit time reduction), a force consisting of a dragon blooded Shugengan lord yin or yang and 4 CDG halberds and 4 crossbows is more than capable of mounting punitive expeditions into the wastes to beat back the smaller Kurgan forces and provide ample reinforcement to the garrison against bigger threats for very little cost due to the low upkeep buildings. I tend to prioritize killing Vilitch because he's an annoying little gremlin, but Kholek tends to have his hands full with Grimgor in most of my campaigns. Also, I reckon Jade Warriors are among the most cost effective melee infantry in the game, cheap as chips and a really decent stat line if you have the harmony bonus. Overall pretty good, can't wait for monkey king DLC.
Cathay was the faction I started playing when W3 came out, I played Miao to get a feel of the game, and then went straight to Legendary with Zhao. I don't like playing Legendary for some of the restrictions but I wanted to make one to see and get the achievement. That has also been the only time I've played the original campaign and it's objectives, quickly switching to the no rifts mod and the victory conditions overhaul mod to finish the rest of the achievements and then have actual fun in inmortal empires.
Haven't seen this mentioned, but in addition to recruiting/disbanding heroes to maintain harmony, you can also switch the growth/economy buildings back and forth between the yin and yang versions by clicking on the settlement and opening the building browser. Really helpful when you know you have a yin tech finishing up in 3 turns so you spend 3 turns switching a random building to yang.
Honestly I really likede Miao Ying, some fixes are needed to the gates and cathay really needs more heros and more units but I feel like they have been designed very well as a faction! Really enjoyed your review of them!
I’m really surprised that when you were talking about the bastions that you didn’t mention the building that massively reduces upkeep for armies in the region. Makes it easy to leave half stacks in every bastion and also a good opportunity to save some money if your armies are in the area
I really Like Miao Ying makes me hopefull for the other unrevealed dragons like the earth and fire dragon or YinYin the sea dragon or the biggest annoyance ShenZoo which was teased to us.
Great content as always Legend, would love to see updated doomstack tier list.
These are slowly getting longer. I like it!
Its funny, Kholek and Vilitch go all the way around through the ogre-mountains instead of sieging the bastion in my cathay campaigns
It's worth noting that those bastions have a building you can construct that reduces army upkeep in the region by a significant amount. I find on very hard it's useful to keep a small supplemental army in the central one that can pivot as needed to assist with the invasions.
Currently running a campaign with her love their campaign and can't wait for some dlc for them
The upkeep reduction building in the gates also works for anything in the region, so you can keep armies there too and save lots of money.
This helped a lot!
Was playing my first immortal Empires campaign as Miao Ying (L/L, standard random Endgame crisis). The Imperial Wardens did not need my help at all defeating the Kurgens. They literally wiped the floor with them as I took out the Rebel lords, Eshin, Lokhir, Vilitch, and the Vampires. Even when I had the opportunity to confederate I refuse. No way am I wasting my time fighting the Kurgens when the AI can autoresolve them all to death.
Yea, Im doing one right now, and they deal with them pretty well. Villitch and Kholek supprised when they took a trip through the mountains to fook me up from behind, and the dont really care about the gates right now.
Love these. Could you cover a Skrag the slaughterer campaign, please?
I really like the Cathay campaigns. For how basic their army roster is, and the fact that Cathay really only has a few real factions inside of it, I'm quite optimistic that when Cathay gets more DLC they will become hands down one of the best campaign factions in the game. Kislev was the faction I was most looking forward to in WH3 and their faction roster and campaign mechanics aren't anywhere as interesting as what Cathay has. If I did have a criticism it would be that Cathay's campaigns currently feel really easy. That can change with more DLC adding more enemies for them to fight.
im excited to see and play miao ying siblings in future dlcs.
Thanks for the video
Miao Ying was my first immortal empires campaign, I was still super nooby but I matched to confederated most of the cathay, once I got the celestial dragon units it was gg. Pretty fun campaign.
I used the Wu Xing Compass mainly for control, that allowed me to build more money-based buildings which sped up a bit my economy, and also to spread my armies around more. Later on I used the increased income direction to boost my tons of infrastructure buildings.
Would recommend the bastion rework mod for any Cathay playthrough which makes it so if the 2 providences north of the bastion have zero chaos corruption the meter will no longer fill
Damn. Only after a year, thanks to this vidyo, a realized that some Sentinels on the campaign map actually move. Neat!
We need a tier list of factions that are "best for beginners" to "don't try unless you know what you're doing"
Cathay and Dawi are both very good defensive armies
I recently played a campaign with Miao Ying and I actually didn't have to worry about the bastion at all during the game. I played on very hard, and what I found to be the easiest is simply helping the Imperial Wardens at the beginning of the campaign, and as they level up the bastion it becomes practically impenetrable. Playing with Cathay I always rush Snikch, then Lokhir and lastly Vilitch. It always worked for me, my last campaign I achieved the long campaign victory in 60 turns.
My Caravan army became unstoppable about halfway through my first campaign back on the release of WH3. Multiple Royal Guard, the Magistrate leader had tons of replenishment. Never failed a caravan run. (But I was only playing on hard).
They managed to beat both Greasus and Skarbrand while they were at a full 20 stack
Legend has become blessed from the algorithm, went from having to produce 8hr daily streams to short form content that does just as well if not better 😂
It's seriously important for everyone here to know: Do not recruit Magistrate as your generic lords; They are some of the worst generic lords as a result of having only 15 armor, and pretty bad skills. Consider recruiting Shugengan lords, as both Ying and Yang are pretty decent spells (Yang is probably better early as a result of their damage spells being mostly big damage, and Ying is probably better late from great debuff and Talon of Nights).
That's basically it uhhhh Magistrate bad Shugengan lord probably arguably one of the best generic lords in Warhammer xoxo
Oh, another thing to note is that Cathay has a building that allows you to recruit level 12 Astromancers from the get go in one of the provinces. It's not great since Astromancers don't do much, but it's still lore of light so it's not like, the worst to have in an army. (Chain Lightning from the get go is pretty pog)
*lore of heavens, not light
@@Jaann1919 Ah yeah, my b, the one with Chain Lightning
i like how each review gets a bit longer and longer, we started with 2 minute reviews and we are up to 6:30
That's why I wish he would redo his first videos.
Cathay (particularly Miao Ying) is who I chose for my complete map-paint Immortal Empires campaign. They're well suited for that, as they make so much money through owning territory, as opposed to comparatively little by fighting battles. I'd also recommend Cathay as a very noob-friendly faction, as you can almost play TW: Warhammer battles as if you're playing Shogun 2 and still kind of get away with it.
What I'd wish for most for them right now is a sort of next-turn-prediction for harmony, showing you what it will be if you lost no settlements between turns. Scrolling through your many settlements and watching out to do the math right is such a hassle.
If I had to bet - they will add that as quality of life change later. I was looking for mod for this, but you just have to work it. I tried to colour map as her and well..you always need to build ying and yang in same turn to you know what level of balance you have. I used my heroes mostly to balance things out at some point.
these just make me sad legend, I miss ya streams, but it's good you're living a better, healthier life now
Love the focus on fun
Thank you for removing the spam
Lengend, you might under estimate the Ivory road
as part of the events, it would give you a choice to feed Gold Tusk for a massive +40 diplo attitude
which mean, you can just some time send the caravan to the most dangeroust route with minimal stock money for a diplo benefit
500 goal for potentially a chance to gain an ally that make use of the mountain buffer zone? Massive deal
Looking forward to playing as Yin Yin or Liu Bao, one thing i always do is establish a colony in the Copper Desert. Very easy to be aquatic as Cathay.
Definitely need more Dragons, Yin-Yin, Liu Bao and Li Dao will bring some really interesting additions to the faction!
Yeah I tried my first hard/very hard run with mao ying and it was fun but breaking out of cathay proper, was very difficult. Once I finished the long campaign victory I started a new one on normal and just had way more fun, I'm sure a better player could have a better experience though on higher difficulties though
In 3.0 and 4.0 the chaos lads up north tend to bust through really early. I've seen Vilitch next to Nan-Gau sometimes as early as turn 11. So getting an alright secondary army is priority.
I've still prioritized killing Clan Eshin on Miao first because he gives access to good amount of lands and a decent trait that gives Miao more tactical opportunities.
Currently doing Very Hard/Hard and it's been decent fun. I think generally Yuan Bo is the superior lord but what makes Miao interesting is her particular skillset and decently challenging start.
The naughty mod is essential for a real Miao Ying experience
I believe there's 5 or more dragon children, I can guarantee you we'll be seeing at LEAST two more Cathay lords, one in the east, and one in the south. After that I'm not sure where they will put the others, Cathay will be a bit full by then. But I also suspect we'll get the Monkey King at some point, and they could pretty easily give him the Cathay units and say he's leading a rebellion or something like that instead of an all-new roster. They definitely need some help, particularly when it comes to killing power that isn't in ranged form.
I got overwhelmed by an absolutely endless stream of Skaven
I’ve noticed that this campaign really relies on luck. Mostly for the blessed dread and clan eschin. Half my playthroughs were a complete breeze as they would declare war on each other very early and wipe each other out leaving me to just come in freely. The other half is that they don’t war with each other leaving you having to fight them both while they full strength. And this is all based on luck
In my campaign Vilitch went around the bastion and through the south and it was really difficult for me to send out caravans and take him out in general
Same. And Grimgor and his rods just let it happen? SIGH
I do kinda wish some of the tech would improve caravans like add more or better units to newer caravans, its nice that it gives you incentive to go out and take the ivory road, but even if u do i find my caravan gets ambushed by some pretty crazy ogre stacks almost every turn and if you need to recruit a fresh caravan then it stands almost 0 chance of getting through even if u own the entire route due to the random ogre ambushes having massive armies mid to late game
In my legendary campaigns the bastion always stays and sometimes need troops to help behind the lines.
The biggest threat I've found I Clan Eshin early on
I do like cathay. I find once you control the bastion, those invading forces just ignore it and come through the west (attacking your caravans too if they can).
Highly recommend prioritizing sending a caravan to Sylvania ASAP for the Von Carstein Blade. Miao Ying becomes even more busted once she gets it and helps greatly when dealing with Eshin and their AP missile units.
I think that both Kislev and Cathay should get DLC content sooner rather than later!
I like The Alchemist for increase Mobility, so I have one in every Army for that. Astromancers just don't add anything but more spells though which I don't need when I already have a shugengan lord and an Alchemist.
Weirdly enough, you can even bolt an Alchemist onto caravans as they roll out. Bent my mind the first time I tried it. I think the mobility boost maybe even helps them get to their destination faster?
@Shane2020xxx I don't know about it making the Caravan faster because I thought they just kind of hop from spot to spot rather than actually moving, but maybe that's just because you never see them move. but I do still put an alchemist in every Caravan. Astromancers too, because the reason I don't normally use them is because I don't need a third caster, and the slot is better used on something else. But Caravan armies always have open space, and definitely need as much help as they can get
@@twiceasfun9392 Solid point. I don’t know if caravans literally move or just sort of teleport their given allotment. I’d have to test it with and without Mobility Boost. But having winds of magic users to drop spells on the random encounters can really help turn the tide.
Astromancers steal technology. Cathay can't get Student ancillaries, so you want all the +Research you can get. Build the Observatory chain for +Research, set every province to the +Research commandment, and have your Astromancers stealing all the technology from your enemies. It adds up.
Also, putting them on the War Compass mount gives you some bound spells, so if you're short on Winds in a battle, an Astromancer can help turn the tide. However, you're generally right that the one thing Grand Cathay doesn't need is more spellcasters. Their best generic lords are spellcasters, all their heroes are spellcasters, and both of their Legendary Lords are spellcasters. Give them some melee-competent characters, CA! Please! Their only non-spellcasting characters are Lord Magistrates, who will lose in melee combat to almost literally anything, and get the biggest meme of a flying mount I can imagine.
You gonna review every species, every LL or just the ones you find notable?
Ah yes, LazyIcarus enjoyers unite!
By sigmar i judge you all
Impirtant to note you can load up the bastion with dirt cheap armies that can pretty much cover you the whole game
They also provide cheap balance of power for strength ranking
In 1941, the exiled polish Government send a Declaration of War to the Empire of Japan. Japan said No.
Sometimes it would be nice if that would be possible in Total War too, though maybe a bit counter-intuitive.
Hey Legend, do you think you'll re-do your unit rating videos for WH1 and WH2 factions in WH3?
Review Sisters of Twilight next please?
So true, the caravans become pointless very soon when Grimgor declares war on you, he controls all the mountains.
Vilitch will teleport over the small water crossing to the right of the bastion which is very annoying
This is actually my favorite campaign for game 3. It’s challenging enough and keeps you occupied throughout the whole campaign with the great bastion
Any plans yet for that celebration stream?
doing CAs job , they should include those "trailer" into the hero selection
Cathay is definitely the best new faction IMO. Very fun and balanced army.
I did play it on Easy but I did enjoy her campaign a lot, Im probably going to try to beat it on Legendary at some point
Can you do a video on what dlc to buy and avoid? since the immortal empires change, i feel like there are some dlcs that are not really good and/or worth and it would really help if you could give some tips or your thoughts. Appreciate it
Kemmler and Krell for 2024!!! We promise more Mausoleums to defile! 😈💀
don’t forget you can build a building to reduce recruitment for peasants -60% and if you get a lord to lvl 20 you can reduce it it even more to -100%. If you keep 2 lords at the front line and spam peasants with global and local recruitment you won’t spend any money on armies. Just make sure to disband the army or kill it in auto resolve.
I found the imperial wardens to be somewhat decent at holding the walls on their own. Vilitch, however, was busy teleporting through the wall to harass me, so it could have simply been a result of him ignoring the wall vs focusing on tearing through it
I'm curious about Lokhir Fellheart's campaign since he's moved from the Lustria thunderdome. Also I'd really like to have a go with dark elves but I didn't really get the hang of their slave management system
It's good, but be prepared to deal with Nakai soon enough as you expand along the coast. Wanted to keep Jiangshi Rebels alive and would have done so, but Nakai declared war on me and started to make a beeline for my main stack, wasn't up to facing his army so "tactically maneuvered" along the river - It took until it was most of the way to Hanyu Port before I could get a peace negotiation so Jiangshi got wiped out a turn before I could get there 😂
His faction could do with some Dark Elf units themed around coastal raids and hit & run/guerilla tactics, maybe some piratical units from other factions too?
Would expect to see that once there's either Yin-Yin or more LL's for Vampire Coast
The ivory road mechanics for all factions, for whom trade make sense, would be a great benefit. Or at least something similar, as if you have to choose wether build a garrison-outpost oder a trading post at your allies cities. Would make campaigns much more interesting than just give trade for free across the map, regardless of borders or harbours. That simplifying of the campaign gameplay was really no benefit. Especially because they cut it off at so many points too. IE has degraded quickly to paint-the-map in the most simple manner. The only challenge is, that enemies are throwing waves of armies at the player. 10, 12, more at a turn. After the 300th battle against chaos, i had seen it quite for a while. I don't return to the game, as long the campaign, the strategy part of it, is not getting more interesting again.
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Hey Legend, have you reviewed Zhao Ming yet?
the way he says it... "Meow" Ying....
I was considering playing a campaign, then I remember there is a DLC priced like a full game including content for the faction.
ni hao ma
Vlad/Isabella next would be cool
My main confusion is why do I start with Nan-Li? Where as here the rebels have it.
I wish the Ivory Road scaled better - after trip 4-5 it’s pretty rough to get through, even with intense micro each battle
Yeah, it's nearly impossible to get your caravan guards enough additional units to field a full stack, much less a balanced and properly functional army capable of fighting off attacks from actual hostile factions. And your caravan only being active about half the time means the masters level up super slowly. And given how lackluster Cathayan heroes are, the ability to insert heroes into your caravan guards is not enough help. There are just so many ways the caravans scale poorly, which leads to the Ivory Road essentially not working after the early mid-game at latest.
At this point, I just view the Ivory Road as a free Von Carstein Blade and a Warrant of Trade, with a side order of some money thrown in. And expect it to stop as soon as Grimgor decides the Mountains of Mourn look tasty. Kind of looking forward to the Chaos Dwarfs, who at least *MIGHT* be susceptible enough to bribery and powerful enough to keep the Ivory Road open for me.
Goddamn kurgans stop breaking down my shitty wall
quick question what would you say the easiest campaign in immortal empires is?
Lest be honest that one cursed mod is the reason Miao is the second most popular campaign.
ehh, decent economy, amazing early game military, buffs to archers, balance is broken, caravans are really good early game, also hot dragon waifu.
Finally Karl Franz being near unplayable
Mods or not she was going to be high up anyway
Probably in the minority here, but I think she looks better without the mod xP
What mod, and who is the first
Cursed?
@@krzesaw7691 It's best you don't know.
I can't wait for when they add in like a jade dragon. Is the lore that they have a jade dragon sister?
the kaos dwarfs took on the north wall i given them a wide birth so far ?
Yeah the generic lords and heroes definitely feel lackluster. I would like the harmony system to be tweaked to be a little less micromanagement heavy, as it can get pretty tedious late game. Having several armies running around taking new territory means your harmony needs constant intervention.
Do Vilitch and Kholek actually attack the bastion settlements?
Lots of play throughs with Miao Ying but they always walk around and come through the mountains on the west side of Cathay.
Never have they attempted to attack the bastion or assist the norsca faction doing so as the only one.
pretty crappy
Throt the Unclean and Thorek Ironbrow next pls
I prefer Zhao Ming because I like the melee buffs but Cathay is definitely one of my favorite of the new races
Is it worth the mild start difference to be miao when xhao is better faction effects ane starts like next door
Please do Malus Darkblade next
Do i need to buy the previous warhammer to access faction from immortal empires?
Can someone explain why the caravan system is worth pursuing? Once cathays economy gets going the caravans don't provide that much money relatively speaking
this is the Immortal Empires campaign? I thought the start points change and the campaign goals change or was that just WH2?
I would honestly enjoy it more if you could 100% plug the great bastion. I hate that they can just go around it